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Rangers Press Conference - Video

Here are some sound bites from Wash, Ryan and Daniels from today's press conference.  I'll try to post a higher resolution video later today, but I wanted to get something up quickly.  Please forgive the shaky-cam.  Not a lot of time to get set up properly:

http://rangerspodcast.blogspot.com/2010/03/ron-washington-press-conference.html

I will try to resume the live streaming shows tomorrow at 1:00 Dallas time. 

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Thanks man.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 17, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Washington

It seems as though Daniels and Ryan have handled an extremely difficult situation as best they could. I’m proud that the Rangers gave Washington a second chance, and I wish that we as a society treated all of those with drug problems in a similarly compassionate manner.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

You sir,

have just won the internets for 1 full hour…

"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"

by lost in space on Mar 17, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

woohoo!

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

True. Child moleter's, too.

All right, that’s inflammatory more than actually relevent, but I don’t see why I should feel compassion toward people with “drug problems”, especially in this specific case.

You’re put in charge of the day-to-day operations of a mulit-million dollars per year orginization and you choose to do drugs and you’re deserving of my compassion why?

I wish we as a society stopped treating everyone like little pussies who shouldn’t be held accountable for the consequences of their actions because, “oh, it wasn’t his fault… he has a drug problem!!!” and “Oh, Mel Gibson doesn’t really believe those things about Jews, he just has an alcahol problem!”

I don’t think we should condemn him forever or anything like that, but compassion?

Fuck it.

He did that shit, and he had to have known exactly what he was doing when he did.

He made a conscious choice to do that shit and should be punished accordingly.

“But he has a problem! Do you not see that! How can you be so mean to someone when it’s not their fault, it’s the problem’s fault! DAMN YOU, PROBLEM!!!”

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I could have gone either way with it

if they fired him right then, I’d understand.

That they decided to keep him, I understand that too.

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much my take, too.

It’s a fireable offense, but not every fireable offense needs to result in a firing.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

But to me, Washington telling the commissioner’s office and the team about the drug use before the results of the test came back and offering to resign is him owning up to his mistake and accepting any due punishment.

I think the contrite nature of his actions following the mistake he admits to making is why the Rangers are showing compassion. Not because he has a “problem,” don’t we all, but because he’s human.

However, that said, if Nellie isn’t in the lineup for game three of this season. I WILL END HIM!

by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree his proactive actions saved his butt. But, I have mixed feelings on this event.

OT1H, I think it’s great the Rangers are showing compassion with someone whose actions appear as though he has no desire to ever to do that again. I think it sets a good tone for the players and other staff in that the Rangers show willingness to reward sincerity and folks who are taking extra steps to do the right things.

OTOH, I’m not buying the “one-time mistake” line; so…. what dirkatron said.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Mar 17, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wash's pro-active stance only came

because he was about to or had just been tested and Homes knew what that test was gonna show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 17, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably true

Although I guess he could have argued that it was a mistake or a false positive or something.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

This was basically Peter turning in his letter of admission at the end of Office Space. Sadly, this time Milton was not there to burn MLB headquarters down.

by nortorious on Mar 17, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice analogy

"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"

by lost in space on Mar 17, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're not buying the "one-time mistake" then what are you saying?

It’s either he made a one time mistake or he has a problem. Dirkatron said he “chose” to do drugs. If it’s an addiction the decision to “choose” drugs becomes a lot harder.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Mar 17, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He told them after being informed he was about to take a test.

Getting out in front of something you know is coming is different to me than coming forward.

And, yah, his bizare Nelly benchings poured a lot more piss in my cheerios than him busting a mcflurry one night last summer.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

drug use

I just think that people make mistakes and they should be given a second chance. Particularly in this case, as it seems he’s made a commitment to treatment/working on the problem. Regarding the way we treat offenders, I basically don’t agree with the long prison sentences that we as a society give tend to give people with drug offenses related to their addictions. It just think doesn’t work as a policy for the offenders or as a criminal justice solution.

The number 1 problem I have with drug use, particularly cocaine, is that profits from it fuel the drug trade in the US and in Mexico, which takes a lot of innocent lives. But that’s an argument for decriminalization and treatment, IMO, not doubling down on the war on drugs.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with dirk to an extent

your arguments are good for why society in general should give drug offenders a second chance.

but if a big corporation wants to fire a manager over drugs, I think it has every right to. big corps fire guys over mistakes all the time

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you

Washington is lucky that he works for people the people he does, for sure. He’s been given his second chance. He better not screw it up.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

This goes to the larger issue of the fact that the way we treat all criminals is stupid.

Our prison system is retarded.

The fact that when we release a prisoner we say he’s been rehabilitated is laughable.

Yet anyone who tries to enact any sort of reform and move the system toward rehabilatation is labeled as being soft on crime. There are ways to move the system toward actually helping people reform and become better citizens while still keeping prison a miserable place to have to be and thereby keeping the punitive aspects intact.

Pisses me off to no end.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree

but why Mel Gibson’s name had to be drug out just confuses me…

how about Tiger Woods, and “Well he’s a sex addict…”

I mean, WHO ISN’T…?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 17, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most of my girlfriends over the years

have been remarkably free of that problem

by BEW on Mar 17, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is most guys are sex addicts.....

If they were given the easy tail Tiger Woods had….

by death of the cool on Mar 17, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh hell yeah

I laugh so hard when I hear about Tiger woods and him going in for “Therapy” for his “sex addiction”. I look at it this way. You are Tiger Woods. You are on tour, so you are staying at some swanky resort hotel. You go meet your manager and a marketing rep for dinner at some high class restaurant. The marketing rep brings along a young woman who, according to him, is a “huge fan”. You have dinner, engage in light conversation, maybe talking about golf, maybe about something else. The young woman (who, mind you, looks like a cross between an underwear model and a porn star), seems completely attentive to you, and keeps touching your arm (but not doing anything else untoward). After dinner, she asks you to walk her back to her room (conveniently located in the same hotel. You agree but remind her that you have to be up early to practice for the tourney the next day. She asks you in for a nightcap. She won’t take no for an answer.

(Repeat 18 times )

Now, for all you guys here who are happily married. Tell me with a straight face that you could withstand that.

Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash

by iblum on Mar 18, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I was Tiger Woods...

I would have been involved with all those girls and 1000 others.

The only thing Tiger did wrong was get married.

by bhudson on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

maybe I wouldn’t have banged that Waffle House ho. But all the blondes, yes.

by bhudson on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no sympathy for all these assholes getting busted with Strange.

Why in the world would you ever text some brushwhore a pic of your junk…or sext her (god I hate that word). Dude’s just want to get busted.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because I always get a kick out of that excuse.

No, no, no… I’m not a racist, I just have an alcahol problem.

So awesome…

The South Park episode on “The Mel Gibson Defense” was pretty awesome.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

We’re talking about a key figure in an organization about to be sold for half a billion dollars. Even if managers don’t do much more than make out lineups and fiddle with bullpens, he’s a very public face to a big, big company. I’m actually pretty surprised that he still has his job given the microscope that this organization has been under the past year.

My guess is that he gave assurances that it was sufficiently detached from the game – that the use wasn’t at the ballpark or the same day as a game, etc. But it was incredibly dumb, not just for the “coke is bad for you” reasons but because he obviously lacks sufficient judgment to recognize that he’s putting one of the premier jobs in his field at risk. That’s troublesome to me.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Mar 17, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

judgement

I really don’t know what he could have been thinking.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

that he was talked into it by a person he otherwise trusted. Probably that person used the line, “No one will ever know”

Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash

by iblum on Mar 18, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're ugly.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 17, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutting of your nose to spite your face

I think the decision to keep Wash around last year (and again this year) was not motivated by compassion. In fact, Nolan Ryan is not the type to get all touchy feely and give forgiveness or any of that crap. This was a business decision. A baseball Decision.

It happened in July, while the team was playing well. If the team had been out of it, then I’m sure that the Rangers would have fired him, (or, for legalities sake, accepted his resignation). But with the team in contention, the Rangers decided to leave Wash in place and let him deal with the consequences of his actions as far as Testing and counselling.

Once they did that, once the decision was made to retain him, then they couldn’t turn around and fire him for that this off-season. And firing him for not making the play-offs would be specious as well, considering that the team was incontention in September, a huge upgrade from years past.

As far as firing him no that word has leaked out, that’s just plain ridiculous

Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash

by iblum on Mar 18, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait....

He doesn’t have a problem. He has only done it that one time. He’s just stupid.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 17, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Regarding people who have a “problem” I was commenting more about the way we treat drug addicts and offenders generally, rather than this particular case. But on the other hand, I don’t know how sure I am that this was a one-off thing.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 17, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

That marijuana traffickers often receive comparable sentences to rapists lights my grundle hair on fire.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find it really hard to believe a man in his late 50's tried coke for the first time.

I interpreted his statement as the only time he’d ever used.

Maybe he meant only time during his time here, or as a coach or whatever.

I dunno.

But the idea he just up and snorted some blow strikes me as highly unlikely.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said it

Nolan believes it. That settles it.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 17, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 17, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that was you that mentioned that last week,

will this effect the way you watch the team this year?

"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"

by lost in space on Mar 17, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 17, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope,

although I hate that someones inability to handle a substance in the past, creates the idea that everyone in the future should be labelled as a criminal. Just my take.

"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"

by lost in space on Mar 17, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...? I don't get what you're trying to say there.

Who are we talking about here? Who’s the someone, and who’s inabilty to handle what substance in the past are we talking about?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nolan, being a player of the same era as Wash...

probably has experiences with it, too.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Mar 18, 2010 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shut your whore mouth.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 18, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

This was a HUGE "out" for the Rangers to fire Ron if they wanted to

I guess the Wash Haters around here will have to accept the fact that upper management REALLY likes him.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 17, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

yep...

However I think if the team does not win the division this year he is gone now for sure.

by death of the cool on Mar 17, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they wanted to fire him, when would have been the right time?

During the middle of a pennant race, or in the offseason four months after he was caught?

by cstorm15 on Mar 17, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sound reminds me

Wash sounds like an illiterate moron every time I hear him speak.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 17, 2010 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

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