Thursday morning Rangers things
by Brett Perryman on Mar 18, 2010 8:13 AM CDT
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First off, the collection of Ron Washington opinions:
Tim Cowlishaw doesn't think that he will be manager for much longer.
Randy Galloway tells the story of a team employee who tried to blackmail the club.
JJT believes Washington should have been fired.
Evan Grant says that Chuck Greenberg had been made aware of the situation.
Richard Durrett talks with Michael Young about the club's leadership in the clubhouse.
TR Sullivan looks at Scott Feldman after his solid start and says that he's one pitcher that the club doesn't have to worry about. I must admit, I have been having a few visions of the top two in the rotation not living up to expectations, so even though it was just another spring training game, it was nice to see Feldman do well.
Durrett also has his notes from Wednesday in Surprise.
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The Rangers have let go three long-time employees: veteran scouts Mel Didier and Jay Robertson and equipment manager Zack Minasian.
Heh, I can see it now.
When asked about Washington’s transgressions, Didier remarked “It’s a f**king disgrace.”
by LiamP on Mar 18, 2010 9:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And then, promptly, stomped on Washington's ankle
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher
by Suicide Prince on Mar 18, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Then dived and acted like he'd been shot
"He's not coming back. That chick was like, the Pele of anal."
-- Sterling Archer
Then became strong like bull and scored 2 goals...
…all while looking like one of the worst smelling athletes alive.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Ooooooh...
…well played. That’s a tough call. Depends when the last time Drogba greased his hair I imagine.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of that acting skills
Did you happen to see Eto’o on Tuesday?
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher
by Suicide Prince on Mar 18, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesnt it have to be Minasian?
No one really understood why he got “fired” or “let go” back at the end of ’09. They restructured the scouting department but doesnt it have to be Zach? Remind me if there was any news about “why” he was being pushed out of the club house? And of all people, he would be the one around Wash and the team to hear it from underneath a closed door.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
if I had to guess I would say it Minasian.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
*was Minasian.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
See below... Why would an 80 (or whatever) year old MLB lifer need a letter of rec so bad that he'd put it on his blackmail list?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he was running for President of the Clubhouse Attendant's Union?
That’s a good point you made.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Am I (of all people) the only one thinking we ought to tap the brakes on this particular line of pure speculation here?
Perhaps it’s worth a mention, but lets not start a Zack Minasian witchhunt based on nothing but our own idle guesswork.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
Witchhunts are fun Jon.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Well, you've got me there.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Minasian may have an out if
he doesn’t travel with the team. If he does travel with the team…well, he becomes “a person of interest.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Isn't the Equipment Manager
Primarily responsible for moving the equipment while on the road? Its a lot more likely that it was him than a couple of scouts who probably don’t spend much time with the team anyway. (of course, a scout could have observed him at a party or something).
I’m still going on the “Wash did a line off a hookers tits” until its proven otherwise.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
also my thoughts as well
what else could motivate a 57 year old man to trying out coke?
On baseball tonight yesterday
They asked Bobby Valentine how this might change the rangers clubhouse, and he said “well i had heard they were changing the clubhouse chemistry when they let go the 22 year manager….” before starting in on Washington.
I don’t want to speculate too much about a guy who could very easily have absolutely nothing to do with this, but I can see a scenario or two where all the pieces of the story would fit..
I wish RG would just say who he is accusing here so that we wouldn’t have to speculate, but thats never how things work…
Fanatics - my webcomic
I think RG is telling us who it is by saying
“somebody who was fired” and depends on all of us to figure out who it is.
It’s not the 82 year old scout.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
bc 82 year olds don't do blackmail?
You and your absolutes.
But yeah…I would have a hard time seeing it being the old, grizzled, fogie scout.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Just like you would have had a hard time seeinga 57-year-old manager doing coke for the first time
This whole story and speculation is stupid.
wonder if we're going to seriously hear about this all year long...bleh.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No, no, no... The far more likely scenario we're all dismissing is that it's some low level douche we've never heard of.
Some guy who intentionally cultivates a 5pm shadow, puts gel in his hair and says “What’s wrong with bein’ a frat, bro?” when you call him a frat boy could’ve hobo-banged some secretary who had seen or heard something or some stupid shit like that.
The front office has a lot of employees beyond the baseball side guys we know, and people can find out this stuff in circuitous ways.
Maybe he got seen coming out of a rehab session or something and the rumor mill got started?
Who the hell knows?
But for us to be saying it was probably Minasian or whatever is irresponsible as butt shit. And probably wrong, too.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
No? Why? Did you stop reading 1/3 through mine?
Is it a game?
Did I win?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
you never win at these types of games
we ALL lose
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
RG says it was somebody that was fired.
When he says that, you have to read between the lines…but you really don’t. Why the hell would the team suddenly fire their clubhouse guy after 22 years?
When Bobby V says they’re “changing the clubhouse chemistry” by letting go ZM, what is he really saying?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I dont think anyone said it was him,
but because of the way Galloway wrote the article, isnt our “right” “job” to speculate as his reader? I dont think anyone on here is “saying it was anyone” but we can speculate. Same way we can speculate who is going to be the UTIF. No one knows and by your way of thinking, its “irresponsible” to say its not Arias or it is German, bc that “would be unfair”
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
x
And, sorry, this is just dumb:
by your way of thinking, its "irresponsible" to say its not Arias or it is German, bc that "would be unfair"
That’s a ridiculous leap.
Saying “doesn’t the blackmailing rodent have to be Person X” is a lot different than saying “doesn’t the 5th starter have to be Y” and you know it.
It’s comparing apples and oranges bowling balls blackmailing cyborgian bowling balls from the future.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
hold up hold up hold up
butt shit is irresponsible?
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Eighty year olds generally don't blackmail anybody for letters of rec
I think that was Bobby V taking a shot at the rangers for firing Didier.
I bet the employee is someone we don’t know.
""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD
didn't he have a son or two working with the team, too?
or am I wrong…could’ve been one of the sons, and he fought on the son’s side and was let go…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
True.
this thread is getting good.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Personally I think it was me.
I’ve always been handsome.
A little bit too handsome, if you get my drift.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I've said this on LSB before
But I’ve got first hand experience with Minasian being a complete jackass when it was unwarranted. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 18, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Galloway
Good column from RG this morning. Rare I say that, but in this case, it’s deserved.
Amazing that someone would try to blackmail the team.
"He's not coming back. That chick was like, the Pele of anal."
-- Sterling Archer
Really?
I didn’t make it past the first couple paragraphs the first time, it opened like a bad tabloid piece.
Going back and actually reading it now, eh, whatever. I’d make an addendum to his point about forgiveness in the “jock community” – it also helps if you have a prerequisite of being a nice, popular-in-the-media guy, which Wash pretty much did.
I have a feeling guys like Wash or Michael Young could walk into a church with an AK-47, kill 50 people and get off scott-free if they made heartfelt apologies.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
poor taste and execution on the anology
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I thought about toning it down to a bank robbery, but I like the mental picture of Michael Young shooting up a church and Evan Grant typing up a story about how he did it for the good of the team
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
This made me laugh.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I think something that was just as amazing was
that the Rangers gave in to some of his demands…that seems really strange to me…
"I've had a lot of experience with semantics, so don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic."
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Mar 18, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Nolan Ryan: "Never negotiate with terrorists."
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I wonder what those demands were though
If they scoffed at a simple letter of recommendation I can’t imagine they gave into anything drastic
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It could have been for a relative
And regardless, if they give a letter of recommendation, especially a “glowing” one, and the guy goes to his next job and fucks up, it really hurts the reputation of the club. Money is one thing, reputation is completely different.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
one of them had to be that we go out and sign Vlad
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. I have to say well-done to RG on this one as well.
This disgruntled employee…. I wonder if he was a source for RG before, especially on the column in which RG talked about the divide between Nolan’s people and JD’s people.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I think there are a lot of sources (including Nolan himself) that RG could go to
discuss the divide between Nolan’s boys and JD’s boys.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
All I've ever read is that the convoluted chain of command setup by Hicks kept Nolan and JD from directly communicating.
I still don’t believe any real evidence has been provided to support this notion of JD’s boys and Nolan’s boys.
They appear to be very much on the same page right now.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
JD's boys got in line
when it became evident that Nolan was going to become owner.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
JD's boys?
I didn’t know that JD was married or had kids. And if so, given Daniel’s age, wouldn’t they be a bit young to be working in the front office.
Of course, you could picture this: “Gooo goo, gaa gaa, sign Rich Harden for goo goo 1 year ga gaga $6.5 million” “ga goo dada, give him an option too. WAAAAAA I want my bottle!!! and Vlad…..”
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Think it was coincidental that JD keeps talking
about how the relationship with Nolan has changed in the last 6 months and how everybody is now on the same page?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Whos been removed from the equation during that time?
Hicks
He is to blame for so much of the clusterfuck in terms of communication in the front office the past couple years.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
hello broken record
couldnt you at least be a decent record, rather than the shitty one that you are…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
On which part, that the guy who leaked was a disgruntled employee or that the Rangers received a blackmail note.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Why was it a terrible job?
Somebody told Heyman and they didn’t tell him until very recently.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
It appears to simply be a case of extreme irresponsibility by Galloway.
Or at worst, all BS by Galloway. Since I don’t think Galloway is outright lying, it’s exceptionally sloppy fact checking.
What I think happened is that Disgruntled Employee
may have been let go because he had a long, shall we say 22 year history of being loose lipped. He may also have been somehow privy to knowing Wash failed the drug test and may have mentioned it to a few players in passing.
The team plays distracted in September.
Disgruntled Employee is let go but makes it known he wants some things done for him (not financially) or he’s gonna blow the lid on this little secret.
So Legal Minds, if he wasn’t demanding anything financial, is that technically blackmail?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I'm really really really glad we had a good showing yesterday...
to kind of counter-balance the negative Wash feelings.
It probably helped I'm not around during the day
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
Colishaw is wrong here.
I think Wash would have been on a shorter leash if coke-gate hadn’t happened. Now, it they fire him at the first sign of trouble they look bad because they said they’re standing behind him. They’re going to have to stick with him for the whole year now, unless things get really bad.
Also, TC may respect Dusty Baker more than Wash
but this should always be accompanied by a plea to the baseball gods: “Do not let Dusty anywhere near our young pitching!”
by other_shoe on Mar 18, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Cowlishaw is usually wrong on things.
He starts out saying he thinks Wash should be fired for drug use, shifts to a position that if he had a winning history, it would be less offensive and more tolerated and then meanders in a direction where he cites W-L’s as the determining factor on Wash’s job security. Which is it Tim? Does Wash’s longevity hinge on the drug use discovery or on the team’s performance? If the latter, why in hell did you even bother to write a column? Everybody already knows that a manager’s job hinges on how well his team does. That’s not front page news.
I think RW is on a very short leash. Look at the guy they hired to be his hitting coach.
In fact, I think has to be a Disney season for RW to keep his job. They have to be in contention until the very last day, if they don’t win, in order to keep RW around. Why would they want a manager who took coke and who didn’t lead the team to a division title when they are trying to rebuild their fanbase?
To win the division, it’s going to take contributions from young pitchers when injuries arise, at least league average production from Borbon, big bouncebacks from Hamilton/Davis, and a SP rotation that builds on last year’s success by increasing their K/9 while maintaining a low BB/9. That’s a lot to ask.
I see no reason RW would be on anything but a very short leash. It would take 2 seconds for Hurdle to step in and be in control of the clubhouse. He already has the respect of the hitters.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I partly agree with what you're saying,
And since Wash’s first year here I’ve wanted him gone because he’s a bad in-game manager and makes bad pitching choices. My point is, now that Nolan and JD and Co. have given him this vote of confidence, if at the first sign of trouble they turn around and boot him they’ll look two-faced.
It's not so much a vote of confidence as it is a second chance.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Wrong
The Rangers would look like absolutely shitty hypocrites if Wash is fired at any time during this season.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Not if the team is playing poorly
If the team gets off to a bad start or goes through a prolonged losing streak during the season they could easily say hes being fired for poor performance.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Right. The FO will say whatever they want, but the truth is if they don't win, what else could they do?
They would have manager with a less than sterling personal history… so no compelling story or championship pedigree to market… so without winning they have no storyline to bring in fans.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
we said that about Art Howe, too, though - didn't we?
Ron Washington is fine for now. If we win, he stays. If we lose with this team, especially after Chuck takes ownership and we make any necessary trades/add payroll, he’s gone. No matter what.
Now…if he cokes up again, he’s probably gone then, too. And surprise – we have Hurdle waiting. Which is a nice backup plan, but I think we hired him for one reason and one reason only – to improve the OBP and situational hitting of this ballclub.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
If Wash cokes again
he’s GOING to get caught, and he’s GOING to get suspended and he’s GOING to get fired. he knows this. The only way he gets coke in his system is that either he’s completely addicted to the stuff, or someone else puts it there….. Wash has way too much to lose and nothing to gain.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Odds on who plants coke in Wash's blood stream somehow:
Josey: 7-1
LSJ: 4-1
Me: 4-1
AJM: 16-1
scoop 8-1
Ryin 14-1
Rodney 40-1
sprite 12-1
ncrangerfan 12-1
RCCook 50-1
Longhorn 4-1
Did I miss anybody?
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
I'm suspcious now that you have made yourself a favorite to do so.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I wanted to be objective.
If I made myself a long shot, I would be accused of fixing the lines.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
x
consider what happened to the Rockies when Hurdle took over there. Not saying the results would be the same but the track record is there.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Then why didnt they just fire him last year or release him this offseason?
that is where your angle falls apart
Fuck Mike Estabrook
"They're going to have to stick with him for the whole year now, unless
things get really bad."
I don’t think so.
What did Jay Robertson do for the team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
He was a
pretty senior advisor/scouting type brought in by Hart. I really doubt if the employee involved was a major member of the front office, though. It had to be someone with much less to lose and much more to gain, someone we’ve never heard of.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 18, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought
That it had to be some lower-level employee who was let go, someone whose firing wouldn’t have been mentioned, because they weren’t a senior enough person for any of us to know who they were.
"He's not coming back. That chick was like, the Pele of anal."
-- Sterling Archer
Didier was an older guy, right? Early 80's or somesuch.
I thought the Zack Minasian firing was kinda strange. 22 years with the team and had obviously worked under several managers. Why fire him?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
what's his first name?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
One thing about Minasian
I knew about the Larry Walker/Ian Kinsler & Erik Thompson trade well before it became public from a friend of one of Minasian’s boys. So when it comes to juicy rumors, I know that there is at least some sort of history of them not being extremely tight lipped. Now, that’s a whole different deal from trying to gain concessions from the club based on your knowledge.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Scoreboard!!!
j/k
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Mar 18, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of people we'd never suspect.... Where has Erik Thompson been?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Throwing long-toss with Justin Thompson...
…or were you referring to GoET and not the real one?
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Mar 18, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Write in to TR and ask him
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Surely the blackmailer had to be
someone with little to lose. Anyone that wanted a future in MLB would not have done this.
The blackmailer
was in a position to know that Wash actually did it and that MLB (imagine the odds of this coincidence, Wash’s first snort and all) happened to show up with a cup to whizz in…did Minasian never travel with the team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I just can't
imagine that someone in a cushy, well paying career in MLB would give that up for a get rich quick scheme. My guess is that it was someone pretty low on the totem pole that the leadership trusted too much.
I can't imagine Ryan & JD trusting any underling in the organization
with this. Wash said he went to JD and then called Ryan. You don’t talk about these things with interns in the room.
Does MLB show up at the clubhouse with the cup to whizz in (or do they find Washington at the hotel) and was the blackmailer there when Wash was getting coked up?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
With shit like this, it's possible he just heard it through the grapevine.
There are several places this info could’ve leaked other than directly or even from the Rangers at all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Clunhouse managers are mostly paid off tips aren't they?
You could probably make a decent living, but I wouldn’t call it cushy.
Agreed
I don’t put the clubhouse manager in the category you referenced.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the attendants are mostly paid off tips
The actual clubhouse manager has a salary I believe. Pretty decent one at that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I was thinking attendant....not manager
thanks for clarifying. An attendant might have motivation, a manger not as much.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would Manasian need a glowing letter of rec, though?
Think after like a million years he’d character witnesses coming out his man-butt.
Not literally, of course.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
RG's column says that MLB
showed up at the clubhouse…The team was in So Cal and then went to Seattle.
I think it was somebody who may have been with Wash the night he did it or at least knew what he did and where he had been and then saw MLB show up a couple of days later.
Maybe that person was with Wash the night he was coked up, saw an opportunity to blackmail and then called MLB himself….seriously, what are the odds that MLB would show up with a cup within a couple of days of Wash doing this?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You're asking us to make a lot of assumptions there.
Not saying you’re wrong, of course. Just that those are some big leaps.
But to say that someone would have enacted this whole episode just so he could blackmail the team about it after the season is asking too much, imo.
Like most conspiracy theories, you’re asking me to accept a degree of competence I don’t find very likely.
If the guy had enough foresight to enact a horribly complex blackmail scheme like this, he’d have to be some sort of evil super genius.
That’s some nefarious shit.
No way you could that shit off and not go, “Bwa ha ha!”, when it came to fruition.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I just can't imagine it was somebody
within the Nolan/JD circle of trust that would do this.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I could be wrong
but I would suspect that these exec’s have assistants and interns and other errand boys that could have overheard something. I don’t know…
Hey, jerk... Stop posting what I'm about to post while I'm typing it up.
The nerve… Jeez.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
what the hell does it matter?….everyone ignores what I say and responds to your post anyways. Keep up the good work.
no need to be bitter
just toss out words like “grundle hair” and “punt a baby” and people will start to pay attention
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
No bitterness here
I prefer life under the radar.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you keep doing that !!??!!??
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No bitterness here
I prefer life under the radar.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm relatively quiet on here,
but that’s my fucking M.O.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
Could've been a freakin' secretary for all we know.
How many office worker-type employees do the Rangers have?
Seems to me like anyone on the baseball side prolly is so in love with the fact that, “Hey, I’m doing baseball for a living” that they’re not gonna risk being blackballed forever over a letter of rec and whatever the other shit was.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
When did they do that massive layoff last year?
Was that before the season?
What if it was TOM FUCKING HICKS ?
LOL.
Seriously, this would be the most epic story EVER.
I’m going to pretend it is now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had that thought, thanks for saying out loud.
Maybe that’s how he got his spot in the ownership team.
eh. probably not. He probably got that by putting in a little cash.
It would be hilariously pathetic if it were the case, though.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Hicks begging for a Letter of Rec
makes me laugh.
The layoff was June 15th. Guess that doesn’t quite fit.
Following the "Minasian sons" theory
Tom Hicks has sons…they like to party…and life has to be pretty boring for somebody that rich; who says they’re not playing a game here? I blame Hicks’ evil offspring!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i like this also.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I could go even farther
Maybe it was the very same guy who supplied Wash with the coke, and maybe even the guy who convinced him to try it.
Maybe the whole thing was a setup.
1) Take Wash out,
2) get him coked up,
3) get him busted,
4) blackmail the team
5) profit
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I can't believe that it was a grandiose plan to
make money but I can believe somebody knew what Wash did and saw MLB show up a day later at the clubhouse.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
the guy who convinced Ron W. to try coke was Ron W. “…I love Ron Washington.” – Ron Washington
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
As has been said repeatedly
a 57 year old man doesn’t just up and decide to try cocaine. He certainly doesn’t decide to try it, then goes out and acquires it himself, and does this all on his own.
I think someone talked him into it. someone he trusted.
The whole conspiracy thing was just made up and tongue in cheek.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
yesterday's game
Looks like Oliver and Nippert are ready to go. After is first 8 pitches, Feldy also looked good.
The UIF job is still open.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
In Nolan's chat yesterday
He only mentioned one as someone who has really stepped up and made an impression. He said that as of now, he felt German was the front runner for the job!! Hopefully, its only a matter of time until old man weak arm is gone!! I just get understand how he hasnt come out with a fire to make this team. Crazy to me!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
oliver very solid
but whats this got to do with ron’s nostrils?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Mar 18, 2010 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Brandon McCarthy for Julio Lugo
Who says no?
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
this might be on par with my Rod Barajas fascination
sorry Jon – you’re off on this one
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Minus German.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Cliff Lee will not be the starter for the M's on opening day!
Not sure he would be anyway over Felix but Lee is suspended for 5 games because he threw at the head of Chris Snyder in an exhibition game this week!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Seems kind of shitty
But so is throwing at a guy’s head in fucking spring training, i guess.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
Yup, he totally deserves it, Lee can put the ball wherever he wants, he was headhunting, he got suspended.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
i think pitchers deserve worse
especially starters. 5 games only means you miss 1 start. That’s not that big of a deal.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
agree completely.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
especially pitchers that play for Seattle
or Anaheim, or even Oakland…though I’d settle for the first two
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
on non-Wash related news
glad to see the pitching do their job last night. Feldy started off a bit rusty, but settled in nicely. Love that.
She say she are the manager.
Feldy was tinkering
a lot last night. All that’s important is that when he did throw his FB, it had that sick movement. He’ll be ok.
What I also don't understand is why Wash
had to go thru some kind of program if this really was a one-time offense?
Maybe it’s required by MLB.
Wow. Nolan just said that he and JD didn’t tell Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I'm sure he is...
..I love that they didn’t tell Hicks…awesome.
Josey, I would assume they did it to make it look better on their end. And if that isn’t the case I would almost assure you that it is required by MLB.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Can you imagine all the crap that
was going on with This Thing last summer?
They’re in a pennant race until mid September.
They’re in The Great Hank Blalock War of June 2009.
They just drafted Purke.
They find out in July that they don’t have any money to buy balls or water the grass.
Josh pics come out in early August, whip cream, road-beef, hat on backwards and telling the world he’s number one.
They find out they can’t sign Purke.
I remember that last game when they were playing Oakland in September when it was the 9th inning, raining and the team was about to be shut out yet again (5 games/one run scored). Nolan sat there in the rain sans umbrella (tough guys don’t do umbrellas) with this look on his face that could kill.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
And that's why the team
decided to try to bury this thing. This story was NEVER supposed to go public.
And in the middle of this biggest of shit storms
their manager gets caught doing coke.
Unbelievable.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Let it go...
your lord and savior Nolan Ryan decided to not only keep Wash on last year, but to pick up his option for this season.
Nolan has never ever ever done anything wrong. This is his baby, if it goes wrong you’ll know who to blame.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I have always blamed Nolan
for keeping both Wash & JD around…it’s his biggest mistake.
You’re not going to win anything significant with these idiots in the mix.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude,
please. Not today. No Ryan vs. JD bullshit.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
wow is right on that last point
at Wash’s age, does anyone really think this was a one-time offense?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Absolutely not.
I still think there’s a possibility they meant only transgression with the Rangers and/or in the recent enough to still be relevant past, and it just looks like they meant ever cause of the ambiguous phrasing.
Possibly they intentionally used said awkward phrasing to give them an out later if something comes out from like 30 years ago.
Or maybe it is as cut-and-dry as he lied or as amazing as he actually did try coke for the first time at 57. Wow. That’d be one fucking karate ass bomb of a story.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya know...
….it’s hard to believe that an athlete/coach could make it through the 80’s without ever touching coke but then decide to experiment at 57.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
When I near my older ages I'm going to do LOTS of drugs
I’ve never tried before…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, Grandpa really knows how to par-tay!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Like Alan Arkin in Little Miss Sunshine?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If I were that old I would not be smoking crack.
If I were that old I would be smoking DMT or some other crazy hallucinogen.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
crack is whack
and you stay far away from that DMT
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
OT: the music thing last night
give a listen to Joe Purdy, pretty nice
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
what kind of music?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
it's sort of acoustic folk/blues
you remember that car commercial where the song said “i just can’t seem to get it right today.” that was him, although i like his album, Take My Blanket and Go, much blusier
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
*bluesier
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
right on I'll give it a listen
I’ve been listening to Old Crow Medicine Show, Avett Brothers, etc. lately so I bet that fits right in
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
OCMS
very nice
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
if you go to joepurdy.com
you can listen to all of his albums FO FREE
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
I'll mark him down.
GOing to the library, will see if they got it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Shrooom man
or Peyote. At least we know that its all natural
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
So is gonorrhea...
…doesn’t mean I want it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonorrhea doesn't let you hallucinate
the indians (native americans not people from asia or ballplayers from cleveland) used to use peyote in their rituals, “to help them speak to the gods” Peyote
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
it's also REAL good
for makin’ you puke, A LOT
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Right...
…but what does it being natural have to do with anything? Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. Almost everything is natural, or was at one point. Is taking insulin natural? It originally comes from humans, but now they make it in bacteria to for diabetics. Most drugs originally came from natural sources and now it’s just more profitable to make them synthetically (for a lot of them).
My point is this…it doesn’t matter whether it’s natural or not. What matters is how effective it is and how bad the side effects are.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i always wondered
what the difference between an effect and a side-effect was, any ideas?
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Generally: main target for response and secondary 'target'
It can be slightly different receptors in the same organ (or part of the organ) that lead to different responses, or the same receptor in different organs, or a combination of the two.
Chronically, the problems involve your body’s response to the drug, whether it is overcompensation (alcohol) or undercompensation (non-PED steroids).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
its not always that specific.
It all depends on the purpose of the drug. for example: the side effect of antihistimines containing diphenhydromine is drowsiness, but the effect of sleep aids containing diphenhydromine is drowsiness. Same active ingredient.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Yeah...
…I was trying to point out that there is a difference. Also, there’s plenty of examples (like the one you mentioned) of drugs being approved for a second disease/illness or being used for a secondary issue even if it’s not technically approved by the FDA. It’s seen a lot in neuro/psych drugs.
My favorite example of this is Viagra. It was developed as a blood pressure medication, but when it got to clinical trials, it wasn’t that effective. However, there was this curious side effect that almost every man noticed….
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
gotcha
so using the example of alcohol, what would be classified as the effect & the side-effect?
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
The effect is a depressant.
There’s some argument on the specific neurotransmitters involved, but especially peripherally it is a depressant. That’s why very drunk people have lower heart rate, deep respirations, etc. It also lowers inhibitions, which is what causes most of the effects of drunkeness that we think of (being loud, driving too fast/riskily, doing karaoke).
The chronic side effects involve the brain increasing its stimulating signals to try to overcome the constant depressant signals that the alcoholic gives it. When the person stops drinking, this is why everything from increased heart rate to tremors are seen.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
ah
so the “effect” is feeling drunk, the “side effect” is the hangover and the long term damage to the brain and liver
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
And stomach lining.
And the dehydration.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
some people thrive off of purely natural things.
I don’t personally, but I’ve moved more towards this line of thinking recently, especially with organically grown foods
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You seen "Food, Inc."?
It made me think about starting a co-op or something…but that would never happen…the movie just wigged me out.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
was that the one
where they showed all the cow “ranches” or whatever they were that made me never want to eat corn fed beef again?
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
that is it....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Read Fast Food Nation also.
Can’t touch the shit now, which is a good thing.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
The guy who wrote FFN directed this doc....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
that movie made me sick
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
Yeah tough to watch
but I’ll still eat beef and chicken; I just don’t go to McDonald’s anymore thanks to FFN
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
In large-scale studies...
…there’s been shown to be no benefit to lifespan from those who eat primarily organic foods compared to ‘normal’ food.
I can see the benefit in theory, but I think that it’s way overblown. I’d be much more concerned about getting people to eat more fruits and vegetables than making sure that the type they eat are local, organically grown fruits and vegetables.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
well for one thing...
My fat body and allergies tell me differently; but yes, I think it’s overblown.
I mean, I’m a huge “Better Than Egg” consumer…I won’t buy real eggs anymore, and that’s not natural in any way.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a friend
who has chickens. the eggs I get from him make supermarket eggs look like…. welll…… lets just say that when you make scrambled eggs with the store bought eggs vs his eggs, you can tell the difference by eye as well as by taste.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Heck ya'
I seen some city folk who wouldn’t eat them, just because the taste is so different.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
On the other hand
the food processors do have some history of creating things in the lab like trans-fats which help from a shipping and handling standpoint, but don’t help the body so much. I doubt there is all that much testing on most preservatives or food coloring agents.
Quite frankly, no food processor can afford to do the testing you’d need to see if an artificial ingredient breaks down well in the body.
With thinks like most fruits and vegetables, we have thousands of years of practice and we have a pretty good idea what they are going to do, which is why you recommend them.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
True, but...
…you’d be surprised about the amount of testing that goes into some of these things. The whole aspartame ridiculousness for example…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Still
there is just no way of knowing til you have a couple generations being used as guinea pigs, and there is enough natural food that you really don’t have to be a guinea pig if you don’t want to.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Is there a way to know 100% for sure?
No. But there are ways to make very good predictions. You use real guinea pigs (and mice) which have remarkable similarities to humans. It’s not perfect, but it’s not like there’s a total lack of evidence to suggest most of it is ok.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
never done shrooms
was planning on doing it in the RV trip to New Orleans this weekend, but I’ve been told I need to be out in the woods away from people in an open space with friends that will watch over me…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I ate shrooms in the quarter once.....it was cool, we were in the back streets in dingy bars with noone really in them.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I had a stuffed mushroom at lunch yesterday.
got it off the chinese buffet at a new place in Murphy. Not bad. cheap though. less than $8 and they had sushi and a mongolian grill, which I didn’t see anyone using.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Where? What's it called?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
its called Grand Buffet
and its off of 544 right by the Target at McCreary road (between Murphy and Wylie).
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Thanks, always looking for new food choices around here.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
i've seen a bunch of their commercials recently
kinda wish they had one closer
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
mmmmmm stuffed mushrooms.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Boursin-stuffed mushrooms.
Cheap, pretty easy to make, and like an orgasmic party in your mouth.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Boursin?
Recipe me!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Here:
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
What we do is..
Clean some large mushrooms
Destem them (I usually delicately make the cavity bigger, but I’m a glutton like that)
Scoop in Boursin cheese
Add grated Parmigiano-Reggiano on top
Place in a baking dish with a quarter to a half inch of water in it
Bake at 350 for 20 minutes.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
you should also prepare your mind
if you have any underlying negativity, that could surface and cause massive unpleasantness, also, make sure you get plenty of sleep before hand, because it’s both mentally, emotionally, and physically draining. It’s up in the air on whether you should eat first; i’ve had different experiences with it, but i usually only have a light, healthy lunch before hand; also, i would say prepare to throw up, don’t expect it, because it doesn’t always happen, but don’t fight it if you need to
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
a cross between that
and Epic Beard Man (come on…he HAD to be on drugs)
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
i was in the war
and my momma died! …she died, man!
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Of course it's not his first time
But what else is he gonna say?
Total honesty on this serves no one.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
One-time offense or not
Wash was going to have to go through a substance abuse program of some kind to at least show the team and the league he wasn’t addicted and was making an effort to put this behind him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yep. It becomes evident very quickly in a substance abuse program whether someone is addicted.
RW’s proactive posture with MLB and JD/Ryan gave him a chance, and the fact the he wasn’t an addict probably gave JD/Ryan the room to continue to gamble on RW.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
That may be true
but this happened in LA when the Rangers were playing their most important games to date and just coming off a three game sweep of Tampa.
The manager thinks that’s a good time to go on a coke bender?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's possible to fake NOT having withdrawal.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I imagine Wash used it recreationally....maybe 8-10 times per year. He was on some Dodger teams that had major problems in the late 70s.
If he was an addict, that would have been evident and played itself out long before last July.
I also think Oakland must have had their own suspicions on Wash as well which is why they didn’t hire him. Not enough to fire him from the team but they probably saw him as a not so bright but well liked “Good Time Charlie” who seemed to be a good 3B coach.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Except
that the doctors who examined Washington as part of his treatment also state that there is no evidence that he had used before this incident. I’m sure that long term recreational use would be easily detected. Unless not only Wash, but Nolan Ryan and MLB and their doctors are all lying.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
So if Wash had used back in early May
what evidence would there be?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
but, I did find this:
Different routes of cocaine administration can produce different adverse effects. Regularly snorting cocaine, for example, can lead to; loss of sense of smell, nosebleeds, problems with swallowing, hoarseness, and an overall irritation of the nasal septum. This can lead to a chronically inflamed, runny nose.
Easily found
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
It can eventually lead to holes in the nasal septum.
Which freaks me out.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So Wash would still have all those symptoms
if he hadn’t used for 2-3 months?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
don't ask me?
I’m a doctor, but not a medical one.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I just don't think it was Wash's first time
but I also don’t think he was an addict.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Everything after the 4th word of your title is specious.
And has been demostrated over and over on this board.
But hey, no sense dropping a good conspiracy theory just because its been disproven, eh?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
So you think it was on Wash's personal
bucket list to finally try cocaine when he turned 57 years old?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
that would be kinda hilarious
1. Become an MLB manager
2. Set world record for most sunflower seeds chewed in a year
3. Try cocaine
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Corby nailed it yesterday on the Ticket.
I think he had definitely done it before — nobody does it for the first time at age 57 — but probably not for ~25 years.
I bet it was a “one-time thing” in that sense.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I've said it before
I think someone talked him into it. I think it was someone he trusted. I think that person used the line, “no one will ever know”.
How many ex-teamates of Washington’s used cocaine? how many still do? how many live in in Southern California? What were Washington’s movements July 6th through July 8th while in Los Angeles? who did he see, what did he do?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
You don't suddenly make the plunge into
the Cocaine River when you’re 57 years old.
The vast majority of us cross that bridge by the time we’re 30-35 years old. The reason we cross that bridge is because we know that river will either drown us or F up our lives in a terrible way.
This was ALL on Wash and there is not a viable excuse for doing this…especially at 57 years of age. It wasn’t his first time – period.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Prove it , asshole
C’mon, lets hear it. you keep spouting the same garbage, so put up or shut up. I want a quote, a citation, a drug arrest, or something that proves, within a reasonable doubt that Wash used cocaine before 2009. Here’s a list of his teamates:
Mickey Hatcher
Jeff Dedmon
Jeff Kaiser
Glenn Wilson
Bob Veselic
Ted Martinez
Tim Laudner
Fred Lynn
Tack Wilson
Mark Brown
Pete Redfern
Jerry Grote
Mike Scott
Rafael Ramirez
John Pacella
John Hobbs
Ron Kittle
Jerry Koosman
Brad Havens
Joe Simpson
Greg Gross
Doug Rau
Rick Rodriguez
Greg Wells
Gary Gaetti
Reggie Smith
Houston Jimenez
Albert Williams
Glenn Burke
Cal Ripken (Hall of Famer)
Allan Anderson
Roy Lee Jackson
Andy Allanson
Frank Viola
Bobby Castillo
Alvaro Espinoza
Jack O’Connor
Carl Nichols
Dan Firova
Tom Candiotti
Mark Funderburk
Chuck Baker
Terry Felton
Davey Lopes
Mike Walker
Ken Caminiti
Mike Boddicker
Roy Smalley
Alejandro Sanchez
Mel Hall
Johnny Oates
Steve Garvey
Dan Schatzeder
Luis Medina
Harry Spilman
Dave J. Schmidt
Tony Arnold
Elias Sosa
Dennis Burtt
Terry Francona
Kevin Bass
Roger Mason
Jeff Reed
Larry Sheets
Bill Laskey
Mike Griffin
Eric Yelding
Scott McGregor
Kent Hrbek
Rob Wilfong
Danny Darwin
Pete Mackanin
Jeffrey Leonard
Mike Garman
Alan Ashby
Scott Bailes
Dave Meier
Don Sutton (Hall of Famer)
Rod Allen
Ray Knight
Juan Agosto
Lee Lacy
Gerald Young
Jim Eisenreich
Stan Wall
Paul Boris
Tom Niedenfuer
Jon Perlman
Rick Rhoden
Doug Jones
Mark Portugal
Don Gordon
Fernando Arroyo
Tom Brunansky
Doug Corbett
Greg Gagne
Greg Swindell
Mike Walters
Mark Williamson
Jim Clancy
Tim Teufel
Ray Fontenot
Bill Russell
Jim Lewis
Ken Gerhart
John Hale
Lance Rautzhan
Butch Wynegar
Buddy Black
Lenny Faedo
Ken Schrom
Reggie Williams
Hosken Powell
Keith Atherton
Darrell Brown
Hank Webb
Vic Davalillo
John Habyan
Chris Codiroli
Pete Filson
Jeff Ballard
Alan Wiggins
Willie Upshaw
Glenn Davis
Ron Cey
John Verhoeven
Mark Salas
Tommy John
Rich Yett
Ken Dixon
John Butcher
Greg Johnston
Jose Mesa
Craig Biggio
Chris Bando
Brook Jacoby
Bill Doran
Don Aase
Jim Dwyer
Bob Knepper
Steve Howe
Carmelo Castillo
Domingo Ramos
Roy Smith
Terry Puhl
Roger Erickson
Charlie Hough
Randy Johnson
Jeff Little
Pat Tabler
Boog Powell
Mike Smithson
Ed Goodson
Ron Davis
Keith Comstock
Ray Smith
Chris Speier
George Frazier
Louie Meadows
Mike Stenhouse
Tim Corcoran
Steve Yeager
Scott Jordan
Cory Snyder
Rick Monday
Rick Lysander
Jay Bell
Rafael Landestoy
Sal Butera
Tom Klawitter
Steve Lombardozzi
Pat Putnam
Eric Bell
Jay Pettibone
Larry Andersen
Eddie Williams
Don Cooper
Al Downing
Mark Davidson
Jose Cano
Larry Milbourne
Mike Flanagan
Ron Jackson
Eddie Murray (Hall of Famer)
John Farrell
Bob Forsch
Mike Hart
Dennis Lewallyn
Dave Van Gorder
Darrell Jackson
Len Whitehouse
Brian Meyer
Paul Zuvella
Gary Ward
Tom Lampkin
Curt Wardle
Rod Nichols
Rene Gonzales
Joe Carter
Frank Eufemia
Terry Kennedy
Scott Ullger
Ed Hodge
Julio Franco
Bobby Mitchell
Danny Goodwin
Bert Blyleven
Jesus Vega
Eric Anthony
Jackie Gutierrez
Billy Hatcher
John Castino
Frank Pastore
John Shelby
Rick Burleson
Bill Latham
Rick Sofield
Ron Tingley
Manny Mota
Bryan Oelkers
Burt Hooton
Craig Reynolds
Pete Stanicek
Kevin Pasley
Chris Pittaro
Mike Young
Dave Smith
Jim Deshaies
Larry Pashnick
Luis DeLeon
Dusty Baker
Alex Trevino
Dave Engle
Glenn Adams
Rusty Kuntz
Kirby Puckett (Hall of Famer)
Nelson Simmons
Floyd Rayford
Randy Bush
Billy Beane
Andre David
Mike Kinnunen
Dave Clark
Billy Ripken
Al Woods
Neal Heaton
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
by iblum on Mar 18, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you type all that out?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
cut and paste is your friend
as is the oracle on baseball reference
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
man, I was hoping that's what you did.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Some of them...
…but only if he was a chronic user. I think the evidence that strongly suggests he wasn’t a chronic user is the lack of symptoms of chronic use (both anatomical and neurological) and that he did so well in getting treatment afterward.
Now, there is a small loophole there, it could be that he was a very casual user. No signs of chronic abuse, less risk of failing the once a year drug test, plus relatively easy recovery.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the problem with that is
that, as a public figure who has now been caught, the “he did coke with me” people should be crawling out of the woodwork by now, and no one has (to my knowledge)
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Somebody used it with him.
Why the hell did MLB suddenly show up with a cup to whizz in?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You're the dumbass
who believes a 57 year old man (with a lot to lose) suddenly decided it would be a good idea to jump into Cocaine River.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
again, you don't know all the particulars.
for example, he could have been drunk at the time.
He could have been convinced by a friend.
He could have been very very tired. (after all, the sunday game before the road trip was a night game, then a 3k flight, then 3 more night games, then another 2k flight to Seattle.
the use of illegal drugs is very rarely a rational decision.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
And being drunk
does not make it any better.
Thank you for the wisdom re “the use of illegal drugs is very rarely a rational decision.”
Did you find that on a stone tablet and decide to share?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Your momma
had it tattooed as a tramp stamp right over her ass. Now, ask me what I was doing while I was reading it.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Yep, he went there. Played the "Yo Momma Card."
Tip your cap and go get some bench.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
...says the guy with the most childish opinions here.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
So you're also a dumbass
who thinks it was Washington’s first time?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
My theory on the issue has already been stated here.
And it’s not that.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
If you bothered to read the original article, you'd know the answer
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Nolan not happy at all about this.
Wash has one option…win with no hiccups.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
My father-in-law had the hiccups once
lasted weeks…. he couldn’t sleep, it was terrible.
one time I took Tums after drinking a wine cooler, I burped for like 45 min. (I know it was that long because I listened to the entire song Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull and burped from beginning to end.) not pleasant.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
by iblum on Mar 18, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is really Nolan's master plan
to reach out to the Cocaine and Boob Job crowd to boost season ticket sales.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
so the dallas douchebag crowd is going to fill the stands?
perfect. Kinki Lounge comes to Arlington.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Best reason yet
a 57 year old decides to take Cocaine for the first time.
That Nolan is a mastermind!
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Yeah, I'll eat my shorts if this was really the first time Wash has used.
You don’t just wake up at age 57 and suddenly decide it might be fun to do a line.
First time in awhile, maybe even first time in a few years (hopefully) but first time ever? I call the proverbial B&S on that.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this is going to blow up big
Last night I’m watching MLB Network, and it all clicked. The news today just confirms it.
Nolan and JD, with the help of MLB, completely covered this up. Something that would inevitably come out in the future at some point.
What I don’t understand is why. Even if they didn’t want to disturb the pennant race, why don’t they just announce it after the season? Pre-emptively head off any breaking news? Surely JD and Nolan weren’t naive to think that it’d never come out – especially with a blackmailer?
So I think something else is going on. JD and Nolan look like idiots right now for covering this up and having it leak right before the season. These aren’t guys who make habits of stupid decisions like that – they’ve been up front and acted on guys like Sidney Ponson. Why stick their necks out so far for Wash, who hasn’t been winning pennants or anyhting? Yeah, yeah, they’re compassionate, whatever. I don’t think they do this unless they were worried something else would come out also. Something that really is bad news for this organization.
So now I’m worried.
Go Rice Owls!
I don't think they could come out and say anything could they? Isn't it supposed to be pretty hush hush for confidentiality sakes.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yes, the whole process is supposed to be confidential.
We don’t know if any other managers or trainers have been zapped or not.
That last paragraph is a really good point
Why the hell does Wash get a free pass and Padilla and Ponson get shown the door? He brings far less to the club than either of them did.
I don’t think the entire thing was some big coverup, as they where bound by the confidentiality agreement – but I definitely agree, that based on their actions in regards to other guys who had off-field issues while here they definitely should’ve canned Ron last year. It’s too late to do it now, but from the standpoint of how it reflects upon the team and the supposed “zero tolerance of BS” image they’ve worked so hard to build, it’s pretty inexplicable that he was not at least fired at the conclusion of last season.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
If you can't publicly say you fired him for the cocaine thing due to confidentiality reasons
What reasons are you gonna give when he took this young team to a 87 win season? You can’t just fire the manager and act like it never happened. You have to cite some reason and if you can’t cite the correct one then you have to have some other plausible reason or people start asking questions.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No
You have to cite some reason and if you can’t cite the correct one then you have to have some other plausible reason or people start asking questions.
No, you don’t. Prime example: Elijah Dukes. Just got canned by the Nats for no apparently public reason. There’s obviously something going on behind the scenes there that we aren’t privy to, but the Nats aren’t saying what. They don’t have to. They’re a fucking major league baseball team, they don’t report to the media or the public.
Wash should’ve been canned sometime last year, bottom line. Not doing so is inconsistent with the Rangers past approaches to other off-field incidents and the image they where working on as baseballs “good guys”. You could also argue it suggests favoritism and it most certainly left the club wide open to a great deal of nationwide blowback over this entire thing.
In my opinion it was an inexplicably unsound management decision, one that hurt the ballclub. JD, Nolan and whoever else deserve to take some hits here.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't agree
on the inconsistent comment. MLB doctors said this was a one time incident. Padilla and Ponson had long histories of their “trangressions”.
It was a tough decision for the Rangers to keep RW. I’ll defer to their judgement since they know the whole story and we just know what has been made public.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
Maybe they released Dukes
because he’s a ticking time bomb who sucked a dick on the field last year and they have better options.
Well
It’s not like Ron Washington is Joe Torre over there in the dugout…
Hate to say it, but I’m with LSJ on this one. The Rangers played favorites and left themselves exposed to a great deal of media fallout on this issue. You can defend that by saying it shouldn’t have come out, b/c of the confidentiality thing but I think that’s missing the point.
If this organization is supposed to be so concerned with solidarity, they need to walk the walk.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
What, because Wash didn't lie about it that makes it all better?
He was caught red-handed, and he new it. So he performed preemptive damage control, which speaks more to his intelligence than his solidarity IMO.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not apologizing for Wash...
Given that Ron was going to get busted for cocaine use, and given the restrictions on the various players in the soap opera, I can understand the sequence of decisions that were made. I may not agree with all of them, but I can understand. There aren’t any great options, and that is Ron’s fault for putting everyone in this situation.
The solidarity I’m referring to is the fact that the entire org seems to be in Ron’s corner right now. I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about regarding Ron’s solidarity since one man can’t represent solidarity. It takes a group.
Perhaps solidarity was the wrong word then
If you really want to get into semantics.
What I’m saying is I think it reflects poorly on the organization that they would give Wash a mulligan on coke usage, yet crucify guys like Padilla and Ponson for similar (and in Padilla’s case, lesser) offenses.
I’m not defending Padilla or Sir Sidney here, but I think that shows a double standard to the rest of baseball that basically makes the Texas Rangers look like an exclusive club of idealistic snobs who don’t practice what they preach if the offender is one of their inner circle.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Both those guys had reputations prior to coming here
And their actions were not hidden like Wash’s was.
Hell the players didn’t know about Wash’s stuff till yesterday. Releasing Padilla and Ponson was about keeping the clubhouse chemistry intact and not having any bad seeds in it.
With Wash keeping his transgressions so under the radar they didn’t affect that chemistry and you could argue that firing the manager midway through a season where we are at or near first place would have had a worse impact on the clubhouse than Padilla or Ponson could have.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So fire him after the season is over.
Say that the club is going in a different direction, and lump Ron in with Rudy J if you have to. I’m sure they could’ve come up with some line to feed the media to avoid raising too many eyebrows while complying with confidentiality agreement.
That’s all they had to do to avoid starting the year by being embarrassed on the front page of ESPN.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
And if they go out and win 90+ games, nobody will care.
This really isn’t that big of a deal.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Speaking of Rudy J
What if he’s the source…
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that was a possibility
The offense tanked last year. That falls on the hitting coach. But the team overall did pretty damn good despite the offense tanking. You just can’t fire a manager after a 87 win season where his offense does what ours did last year and not raise eyebrows.
Especially when over the previous couple seasons ownership had publicly stated their support for Wash.
Florida canned Girardi after a successful season but they had laid the foundation for that well ahead of time by publicly saying they didn’t like how he did things and such. If Hicks and JD and Nolan had been coming out all season saying we were doing so well in spite of Wash then maybe they would have had a out they could have used. But by publicly supporting him all season and even back into 2008 they didn’t open the door to simply “go another direction”
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
What about the team's collapse in September, when it was make or break time?
You’re making this out to be far too complicated, I think. There’s always a nit that can be picked of you need to can somebody in sports, and it’s not like Wash was that great of an on-field manager.
Eyebrows would’ve been raised, sure, but that’s about all.
by JimBonnick84 on Mar 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That sucked sure
But by then you were too far into it. if you were going to fire him you had to do it right away and at the time it wasn’t a pretty scenario to do so.
Personally I blame mother nature for the September collapse by washing away all our momentum with a 3 day rainout but thats not the point.
If they didn’t fire Wash right away they either had to hope the team collapses, and I mean really collapses, down the stretch ending with a .500 or worse record or they had to essentially hope this news didn’t get out and they could either find legit cause to fire him during the 2010 season or simply not renew his contract and let him walk afterwards.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Padilla and Ponson
were repeated offenses. As far as we know this is a single offense for Wash. I’m all for them keeping him on as the Manager as long as this doesn’t happen again. Then like you said if it does and they don’t do anything then that would be hypocritical.
Hipsters, Flipsters, and Finger Poppin Daddies! Knock me your lobes.
Yep.
Comparing Wash’s case to Padilla and Ponson is an apples to oranges comparison. Those guys were given multiple opportunities to act right before they were canned.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
And they were also uncooperative assholes who didn't play well w/ others
If Wash, during his incident, had to be dragged out of bar for threatening violence on the bartender, I’m pretty sure he’d be gone just like Ponson.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't rallying around the manager a pretty good example of solidarity?
Seems like canning him would have been an example of the opposite.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
ESL is fun!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Not a good example Jonny
First of all Dukes is a player. teams cut players all the time without saying what the exact reasons are. And with Dukes he isn’t exactly coming off a .300 25 HR season. He had a bad year last year so while everyone hypothesizes its personal reasons or off the field stuff all Washington has to say is he was a bad player last year and we have plenty of other OF options.
With Washington hes a manager. Anytime a manager gets canned its news. And a manager whos coming off a 87 win season with such a young team and 2 straight seasons improving the win total is going to peak peoples curiosity.
As bad as this is right now looking like a coverup it would be worse PR wise had they fired him and given some bullshit reason and then some reporter uncovers the real reason.
Im not necessarily for them keeping him after this incident but they handled it about as well as they could IMO
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So...
Just because he’s the manager, the best course of action is to sweep under the rug and try to pretend nothing happened?
Sorry, but I think that’s a BS. The exact kind of double standard I’m talking about, in fact.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
No
But what were they supposed to do?
Accepting his resignation was the only thing they could have possibly done that may have lessened this shitstorm. But even then who knows what it does to the club. Finding out their manager who, like him or not, they had grown to play damn hard for is doing drugs and is now gone could have sent the team spiraling especially given its youth.
Firing him in the offseason after a 87 win season was not going to happen.
I imagine they were hoping this would never get out and that either they would have cause for firing him during the season or they would simply not renew his contract after this season and they could keep on keeping on
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Speaking of double standards
Wouldn’t be a pretty big one if they stood by Hammy but said “Nah, Wash, fuck you and fuck 2nd chances?”
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Wash hasn't hit 31 bombs or led the AL in RBI.
The organization also didn’t trade one of their prized young pitching prospects to acquire him.
We don’t know what Hamilton did other than get drunk and have his pics made with some road beef.
Wash hasn’t been a very good manager and he used coke -during the season.
Big difference.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Combine those two
and you have a real party. Get drunk, get some hos, get high…. Sounds like a fun evening.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
the reason they gave on Dukes
was that he wasn’t hitting in spring training
Or last year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ponson and Padilla were causing problems inside the clubhouse....
and it wasn’t there first time to do it….
by death of the cool on Mar 18, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
This is only strike one for Wash
on off the field issues. Those guys had plenty of past chances before they screwed up one final time here. Padilla and Ponson were both warned during the seasons about their actions and that it would get them cut, but both still went out there and did the same old crap. That’s why they were released.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Makes some sense.
Why would they play ball at all with the blackmailer and why would Bobby V say anything about the team “changing the clubhouse chemistry” by letting go of ZM?
Losing your clubhouse guy seems like it is something that would be completely off the radar.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
This story was never supposed to hit the public.
In the midst of last year’s shit storm they decided to keep this out of the papers. Unfortunately, that plan unraveled and in a messy fashion.
by ncrangerfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't assuming a story this big will never hit the public
kind of dumb?
I mean, maybe it isn’t. Maybe half of MLB has tested positive once, and we just don’t know about it.
But really, you’re now testing Wash every three days instead of once a year. Wouldn’t someone notice that? You have who knows who at MLB, the top of the Rangers organization, and whoever Wash was with at the time knowing this as well. And this isn’t a small deal – someone, somewhere, sometime, is going to love to have this as ammo against the bosses – and it looks like that happened.
To me, the best move would have been, if the team really wanted to keep Wash, to tell him in July – “Look, we aren’t going to fire you over this, though we should. But here’s the deal. November 1st, when people stop caring about baseball, you’re going to give a press conference and fess up. Because we don’t want this hitting the fan IN THE MIDDLE OF SPRING TRAINING”
Go Rice Owls!
Yeah,
any plan that counts on keeping something like this quiet is a bad plan.
We’ve seen the leaking of the confidential steroid tests of ARod and others, and we’ve seen the leaking of the Hamilton story. I’d just assume that every failed test becomes public knowledge eventually.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Hence the "change in clubhouse chemistry"?
ie, no more leaks.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Which takes this full circle
And right back to Zach M.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
If they think
by getting rid of folks they are gonna stop leaks, they are nuts.
There is still the MLB testing folks who have proven they are capable of leaking all on their own. Just ask Manny, Ortiz and ARod.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
meh
These things don’t usually leak and they already tried to cover up the Hamilton thing before it leaked.
What you discount is exactly what is important. They didn’t want to fire Wash right away because of it. They can’t fire Wash later because of it because then it just looks like they really don’t care about coke and are just using it as an excuse. And why go through the trouble of exposing it to the media and putting Wash on the spot if you don’t have to?
""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD
I think the blowing up yesterday
is as big as it is going to get. At some point, if Ron isn’t extended, this event will be a factor, but I think that’s the extent of where this is going.
I also disagree that there was a cover-up; with the requirements of confidentiality, what would you have had them do differently? It’s not a cover-up if they’re not allowed to disclose anything. Even if they had accepted his resignation, it would have been awkward because the team was in first place and they wouldn’t have been able to explain anything.
BBTiA has a very good story about this that is a good take.
If they had accepted his resignation
then it would have been up to Ron to explain why he resigned.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
That's a good point...
But I still don’t think the refusal to accept a resignation constitutes a cover-up.
I bet that was a fun party
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Where the hell is WALKERMAN?
He needs to come in here and give up God Daddy’s source.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
This may have already been posted if not here goes
Ron Washington’s pregame routine link
x
Face:
"I’ve got his back. Anybody who doesn’t feel that way isn’t a Texas Ranger.’’
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Well, he said it in the locker room. Didn't really have to say anything....wasn't like he said it to the press.
And, with the way he initially handled his move last year I was kinda glad he was positive about this little issue.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yes,
a strong quote. MY is making this a rallying cry. I’m sure it comes from the heart, but it’s also a smart move.
Sprite didn't see what he did there...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Face:
PS remember that time my team asked me to move positions from one where I slurped saggy loose extraneous flaps of grundle skin to one where I might theoretically hurt the team less, and instead of acquiescing I poured gravel down my vag hole and threw a big hissy fit and took it all public, all in an effort to force them to trade me so that I would not longer have to be a Texas Ranger? You better. Cause anyone who doesn’t remember that is also not a Texas Ranger.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Calm down.
We know.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 18, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh... That was kick to the penis plus an injection of AIDS to the rectum.
Ugh, Ugh, Ugh…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 19, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Last night...
was the first Rangers game I’ve been able to watch in ST. No offense to Feldman, Oliver and Nippert, they’re all going to be on the big league team, but I was very disappointed that’s who I got to see pitch. I really wanted to see some of the young guys get in there.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
At this stage of spring training there aren't many left
I wish they would show some of the very early spring games but at this point starters are stretching out and bullpen guys are going to get their work.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Oh...
I understand that, but there are still a few guys in camp and I was hoping to see a couple of them get an inning in rather than seeing Oliver go 2 and Nippert 3.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
As far as importance to the team
It doesn’t get much bigger than Oliver and Nippert in the bullpen. I was very happy with what we saw of Dusty Tits last night.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
I know a lot of people wanted to see Scheppers
but Nippert was impressive in his 3 innings..
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Meh...
You pretty much know what those guys are going to give you. It’s nice to see that they did well, but a couple good innings form Oliver an Nippert in ST isn’t going to change my opinion of them.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Is tonight's game on TV? On the GD it's saying it's on TXA-21.....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
DMN confirms:
Milwaukee at Rangers 8:00 Ch. 21
YAY!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I don't want to dwell on race too much
but I think this is the first time I’ve seen JJT hang a fellow race-man out to dry
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
He's also the worst writer in DFW...
and that is saying a lot. Shame on you for reading the article.
i'm not a big fan of jjt, but come on...
he does it with players all the time…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Scheppers arguably already has one of the best fastballs, curveballs and sliders in the organization. Has he even unpacked his bags yet? One source told me “I would bet everything in my checking account that he’s going to be a superstar.” Now it’s just a matter of when
Oh I'm excited about this one
some may disagree, but I truly think we ended up with the better pitcher in Scheppers – and it was the plan all along that we may not have ended up with Purke and wanted more of a sure thing (health aside).
Depending on what we get with the Purke pick next year, this could be a very rewarding combination of picks.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that Scheppers may be the better pitcher
but the plan was to sign Purke also
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
"Best Case Scenario"
but even though Nolan might’ve had wishful thinking that it was a lock to sign Purke, you had to get the feeling that Hicks, Daniels, and a few others had the idea that he may not sign and we’d get a compensation pick next year worst case scenario; either way, with that thinking, I think that’s why we said “screw the supposedly high contract demands from Scheppers” and drafted him 44th or wherever; we knew we were getting a top 10 arm if not better with that pick at MUCH lower than Purke money.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I kinda wonder if this had any impact on MLB not allowing us to go much higher for Purke
I doubt it did but who knows. Maybe they were thinking theres no way we can let them spend that kind of money when they keep their manager after a positive drug test because if that gets out other teams will be up in arms.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yeah I would hope a top 3 ML draftee arm would dominate the MWC
but it’s still impressive: 2-0 with 25 K in 21 innings, and a 5:1 K-to-BB rate; and I’m not sure they’ve even played conference games yet?
He looks (so far, small sample size) to be somewhat susceptible to home runs. Wonder if he’s putting a lot of fly balls up there?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
MWC is not weak
TCU is ranked # 4 in college baseball rankings .
by Monkey Brain on Mar 18, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhhh...
Don’t get so defensive. We would expect him to dominate any conference at this point…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Everytime I think of this,
I want to kick Tom Hicks in the taint. A really hard kick, too.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
I know Perez is younger and all, but I'm becoming convinced Scheppers and Perez are on the same level of potential impact, and Scheppers
may be slightly ahead of Perez by virtue of having more evil stuff that is more fully developed. IOW, there is less projection to Scheppers. The only reason I would even say they are on the same level is Scheppers’ injury history; otherwise, I think Scheppers is the better short-term and long-term prospect.
I’m really just splitting hairs here. Who cares which of the two is the better prospect, since they are both clearly have high impact potential.
I think Callis is going to have to add Scheppers to his list of potential aces in the minors.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in this organization or another who thinks Scheppers will be as good as Perez.
Perez has it all.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Perez could have it all. Scheppers appears to be much closer to having it all.
Age and injury history makes Perez the better prospect, but Scheppers has as much chance as Perez at this point to have a long, high impact ML career by virtue of being much more advanced.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
agreed
I am much more convinced that if Scheppers stays healthy, which is a significant “if” – that he will for sure be a top 10 starter or a top reliever in this league. I think Perez could still fail with injury or just not having “it” at the big league level…although I’m not counting on it or hoping for it, obviously.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
That link
is more flattering about Kirkman, though…
Damn I’m psyched for that baseball player.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone think Ogando could make the team out of ST.
If CJ is in the rotation and Feliz, Holland and Harrison go to AAA,
roto: Harden, Feldy, Lewis, Hunter, CJ
pen: Frankie, Oliver, O’Day, Ray, BMac, Nippert, Ogando
Maybe Mendoza over Ogando?
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
The highest I would go with him to start is AAA
This long layoff makes me cautious. Give him a month or so in the minors to make sure he isn’t a flash in the pan and then if hes still doing good then bring him up.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ogando: No
If CJ is in the rotation and Feliz is in AAA, then they’re comfortable with Ray.
The pitching staff is on the trajectory to be the following:
Harden, Feldman, Lewis, CJ, Hunter
BMac, Nippert, Harrison, O’Day, Ray, Oliver, frankfranKKKKK
AAA would be fronted by Feliz and Holland and also have Kiker, Moscosco, and maybe Mathis. Mendoza is going to be traded, unless they decide to put him in the ML pen rather than Harrison.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Harrison
He’s in a rotation, somewhere.
Everything in the press about his ST…no way he’s tracked as a BP arm.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No way
I see him in ahead of Harden, Feldman, Lewis or Hunter, who I believe are all mortal locks.
I think Harrison is AAA bound, personally.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
If the argument is to break camp with the 12 best pitchers, I think Harrison has to be a Ranger.
A lot hinges on Ray, I think. If they feel he’s healthy, that gives them a lot of flexibility with what they do with Feliz.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I always believe
they talk about breaking with the best pitchers, but when it comes to nut cutting time, things like options, and contracts, etc. start rearing their ugly head.
I think there is a good chance that Lewis won’t be as effective as some others on the staff, but with his contract, he is a lock.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Harrison as a reliever may not be in the top 12
People cite that “best 12” comment because it was made in regards to Feliz. Feliz bumping down to a reliever is still Feliz.
I think Harrison starts the year in AAA
If CJ makes the rotation I think Snyder makes the pen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Snyder is not making the team
He has been very hittable so far and they cannot aford to “carry” someone when they are gunning for the division.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
Not against lefties
Which would be his primary role on this team
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
well out of the following names...
CJ, Feliz, Holland, Harrison, McCarthy, one of them will be in the rotation with the 4 we basically know; add Frankie, Oliver, O’Day, Nippert and if healthy, Ray to the bullpen; that leaves two slots for the non-starter of CJ, Feliz, Holland, Harrison and B-Mac.
As of now, I’d handicap a dead tie between CJ and Harrison for the 5th starter slot, with Holland still capable of making up the ground; Feliz is out; I think he takes one of the other 2 bullpen slots; and B-Mac is out, and is either the 7th bullpen arm or is traded.
So that leaves CJ, Harrison and Holland. If CJ isn’t in the rotation, he’s in the bullpen – removing either McCarthy or Feliz. I’d say Feliz. But I’d rather have Feliz in the pen. If CJ is in the rotation, I think it’s a tossup between Holland, Harrison, or one of the lefties we picked up (Snyder, “other dude”) as to who the 6th bullpen arm is.
Either way, I don’t think there’s much of a chance that Feliz, Holland AND Harrison are all in AAA.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said
A rotation somewhere. Agree on the AAA prediction though.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If our rotation
is Harden, Feldman, Lewis, Wilson, and McCarthy
and our AAA rotation is Feliz, Holland, Harrison, Hunter, and Kiker (or Ballard or Moscoso or whoever).
Which one will be better? and how much does it scare you that the AAA rotation might be better.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Not a valid question
In your situation, the AAA rotation may have the potential to be better, but is not better as of this moment. If it were, it would be the MLB rotation.
If it’s me, based on what we’ve seen thus far this Spring, I’d go to war with:
Harden, Feldman, Hunter, Harrison, and CJ.
I don’t trust Lewis.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Does Lewis have a split contract
or options? can we get him down to AAA? or does it make more sense to put him in the pen.
I still want CJ as a reliever. I think that Holland is coming on and will make the rotation before its all said and done.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
He is out of options
and you’d have to run him through waivers, and I also believe he can refuse an assignment.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
No doubt
That’s high praise, fo sho.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
"Bet everything in my checking account"???
When you have a really strong belief, you “bet the farm”, “bet the ranch”, “bet the house”. Bet the contents of your checking account?! What kind of weak-ass expression is that?
How long did Randy and Evan sit on this?
With all of their sources, they have to hear tons of this stuff all the time. How do they discern what’s real and not? And do we ever get pissed for them not ratting folks out?
My idea has been Freeked...
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Mar 18, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Freek is pretty incredible. This is actually one of his worst, if you ask me.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
I told him to do this yesterday and was hoping for Washington to bust out with a machine gun, but I'll take it
I just sent him another message requesting Hambone and Nolan faces on his entourage
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that a side effect of coke?
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
only for those using...
not innocent bystanders
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 18, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD...BEST.GIF.EVER.
Do one for me Wash!! And he does it with his Ranger cap on lol..
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
OMG
Honestly this .GIF deserves its own thread!
by slimshadty12 on Mar 18, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
JP
RHP Matt Thompson looked sharp during live BP. With slightly altered mechanics, Thompson’s FB had more life that allowed him to miss bats. His curve was good when I first saw it during the 2008 Fall Instructional League and it continues to improve. The pitch that has taken the biggest step forward is his CU, giving him the arsenal to project as a solid #2/3 starter.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
yawn
Been there, done that. Just another high potential pitching prospect in the Rangers’ org.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
Heh.. JC
Think the org is excited about Brigham? Lots of FO guys plus Mike Maddux watching. Two k’s in 1-2-3 inning. Getting lots of buzz out here.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 18, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
jeez... another one!
One day will will be so rich in pitching prospects that we will be discussing, half way through ST, about sending our #1 prospect down to AAA because his secondary pitches just are not quite ready. :)
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
That'a interesting... Cuase the Brigham I had last year had me saying "Meh! Meh! Oh, one thousand times, MEH!!!"
How long’s it been since his TJS now?
Maybe he’s gonna all Stella on us.
You know, as in he’s gotten his groove back!
SNIP/SNAP!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 19, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
15. RHP, Matt Thompson.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 19, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Has the coincidence
of Washington getting tested right after he doing the coke come up?
Or how frequent is drug testing for MLB managers?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
Supposedly its once a year at random for managers
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah, Wash's first dalliance with coke
and MLB suddenly showing up on the doorstep is all supposedly one big coincidence.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 18, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not really that big of stretch, though.
How long does coke stay in your system?
A couple of days? A week? Two weeks? A month?
According to the first hit I got on Google (so I can’t vouch 100% for the validity here), it depends how much he used and what kind of testing they used:
There is a bit of misinformation out there and that is cocaine is out of your system in 2-3 days. Well while that might be true LABS DON’T TEST FOR THE DRUG ITSELF. Yes, that is true, they look for the metabolite. A metabolite is something that the body produces when it ingests something, in the case of cocaine it is “benzoylecgonine” that will stay around long after the drug is gone, up to 30 days for a frequent user. THE DRUG ITSELF can stay in your bloodstream up to 72 hours. It can stay in your urine for about 1 or up to 3 days after single use. Habitual or chronic use can be detected in urine for up to 12 weeks depending on quantity, duration, and frequency of use.
Cocaine can stay in your hair up to about 90 days. But there are also information that cocaine can stay in your hair for about 25 years after you only take it once.
If they test once a season, it’s reasonable to assume he’d’ve had reason to be afraid of a positive if they’d tested him anytime within a month of his arctic expedition.
I don’t know how huge of a stretch that is.
The season’s only 7-8 months long, so there’s as good as a 1 in 7 chance the test could’ve randomly happened to catch him at a time when he’d’ve tested positive, and actually much higher when you establish that it was already July by the time this had happened, right?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 19, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The fact that supposedly he passed subsequent drug tests three times a week the rest of the season lends credence to the "one time" story being told
Because as that blurb states if he was habitual the drug could stay in your urine for up to 12 weeks and the metabolite for a month.
I lean toward the theory that he has done cocaine in the past or maybe does it 2 or 3 times a year and somehow he was talked into it out in California on a road trip. I imagine the next day he realized he had fucked up and when the testers showed up it really hit him and he went in and informed JD and Nolan he would piss hot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Once a year
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
how come coaches aren't suspended like players
when they test positive for drugs?
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
actually, they are
First positive test is treatment and increased testing (unless its a PED, then its an immediate 50 game suspension). since 2008, that’s been true of players, coaches and managers.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
cool, thanks for the info
doesn’t it seem like there should be an immediate punishment when you’re caught for this sort of thing? i mean, why would a coach get suspended 50 games for using PEDs since he can’t actually contribute to the win total of his team, but he can get caught using cocaine and get a slap on the wrist?
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Cocaine isn't a PED
oddly, Amphetamines are, though meth may not be. there’s a fuzzy line there between performance enhancing and recreational drugs. Danny G has been suspended for 50 games for taking Adderal, which my son once took for ADHD. (gave him hallucinations so he stopped quickly, but not before telling a judge about shadowy figures hiding in the court room…. long story). The problem is that Guttierez didn’t get an ADHD waiver from the league for them, so he’s suspended.
PED’s are the hot topic of the day, hence the automatic suspension.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
yeah
just doesn’t seem to make much sense to me i guess. As far as managers, coaches, non-players go, it seems there should be a harsher punishment for testing positive for illegal street drugs
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Its still a major improvement.
before 2008, there was no testing for non-players at all. So we couldn’t say if Billy Martin was doing more than just Alcohol before he died. Or Leo Durocher… Who knows where Whitey Herzog got his nickname from? :D
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
true true
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 18, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Cocaine and amphetamines are just different.
Amphetamines work (in the brain) by increasing the release of dopamine and a few other neurotransmitters to a lesser degree. Though if somebody overdoses on amphetamines, they’re given a dopamine blocker mainly. The reason it’s used as a therapy is because at low doses (or weaker versions of the drug), you can control distractability, etc. However, if you take it and you don’t have any decreased amount of neurotransmitter release, you’re more likely to experience the the opposite. People who take them as a drug are taking much higher doses (or in the case of meth, a much more potent form) so they get the second set of symptoms that may have a lot to do with receptors involved with the norepinephrine (adrenaline) response.
Cocaine has similar symptoms to the second set of symptoms of amphetamines, but works in a bit of a different way. It prevents norepinephrine from being cleared from a synapse, similar to the way older antidepressants worked (but more potent) and that’s why you get the ‘side effects’ of an adrenaline rush.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 18, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Not unionized?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
From RG's article...
But Ron Washington was also a dope. He did dope.
Pulitzer level stuff going on over there…
kling klang king of the rim ram room
I understand some anger
directed at Wash for doing coke, but what he did doesn’t bug me that much. A player using steroids bugs me a lot more because they’re cheating and trying to beat out other guys that are playing clean. I’m pissed that this will be a distraction, and that could hurt the team, but the guy to blame for that is whoever leaked the story for his own gain, or out of spite. Wash made a mistake but he was, and is, doing his best to make sure it wouldn’t hurt the team.
Grandpa Urine just got PWNED
Said Ryan: "To my knowledge there was nothing made in reference to Ron’s situation. I don’t know of any kind of threat that was made against him or his situation."
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I wouldn't sell RG short just yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
If RG and NR were hanging off a cliff and you could only save one of them....
who would it be?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Mar 18, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't do anything.
Nolan would save himself. Duh.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Can't Ryan Fly?
or does he have one of those bat shaped guns which shoot the grappling hooks out.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
the beer
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
Doesn't that depend
on the height of the cliff? or would you save buster. Buster is kinda cute, though he drools….. (bet the chick does too).
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Great casting
That girl is prototypical annoying w/ meh looks.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
i can replace the dog
i’ll never get that beer back if it goes over
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
Reminds me of a Brian 'Beerman' Houser song.
Denton boys might know him.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
The Beerman, what a gig.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Been doing it since I was in college there. Good dude.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Wrong
It would be Tequila in Grandpa Urine’s case.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
good
but you exposed me to DMN commentators, ugh
“if thid guy isn’t thrown to the curb, i will never again support or watch this team.”
really? realllly?
Fanatics - my webcomic
Seems like a lot of racial rage coming out to me.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I can’t tell whether you’re serious.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think there would be less rage if
Wade Phillips used coke on the day of a game with the Giants or Eagles?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Its possible.
He pointed to a July trip to southern california. The Rangers were at LA from the 5 through the 7th of July, but had no off-dates from july 3rd (at home through the all star break.
But its a big difference between Football and Baseball. there’s only one game day per week in football, where as in Baseball, you can go 2 weeks or more between off-dates.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
My understanding
Was this happened during the break.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know exactly when Wash did it but it supposedly happened
on that West Coast trip when there were no off-days.
I don’t really care if he did it the afternoon before or in the evening after the game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
That makes no difference to you?
It probably should.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Do I think he was coked out of his mind
and trying to manage a game? Doubtful.
Do I think he went on a coke bender the night after a game and was probably feeling the effects of very little sleep in one of those games v. the Angels or M’s? Yeah.
The Rangers were playing well at this time. Hank F was playing every day and Davis was back down in OKC. The Rangers went something like 17-8 in July so their manager’s coke problem wasn’t hurting the team but that’s not really the issue.
You simply cannot have a manager whose job it is to lead, be respected and make thousands of decisions before and during the course of a game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
And when I say
“You simply cannot have a manager whose job it is to lead, be respected and make thousands of decisions before and during the course of a game” …it has nothing to do with the color of Ron Washington’s skin.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Then
I just can’t understand your diametric position with regard to La Russa.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't particularly like TLR either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
A dui with a .092 in your system where nobody is hurt or killed is bad but it
is different than a 57 year old man doing coke.
That has nothing to do with race and much more to do with how you classify the offenses.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Josey...when he was driving he was higher than a .092.
You know this, I pointed it out (as did someone else) to you yesterday.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
What?
You can’t use the lack of consequences in La Russa’s case if you’re not going to concede that at the very least you don’t know the consequences of Washington’s.
The harm is getting in the car loaded.
And it has nothing to do with how you classify the offenses if your point is that leaders don’t do this shit.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Perceived leaders shouldn't do these things
but the offenses are classified differently and it has absolutely nothing to do with the colors of their skin.
If Wade was at training camp and drove home one night with a few under his belt and took a dui, he’d probably keep his job, provided nobody was hurt and that he blew a .092.
If Wade goes on a bender in the middle of the season the day of or the evening before an important game v Philly or NY, his fat ass is gonna get fired.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
LaRussa was higher than a .092 when he got into the car that ill-fated night...you know that right?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
When he got into his car, he was probably close to a .11 or so but that depends on the time frame.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
So stop saying that they were driving at a .092....
and it would be higher than .11
Just want your arguments to be factual correct…looking out for you.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Do you come equipped with a cape?
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No cape, no horse either (I don't like having my balls speedbagged repeatedly, call me crazy)
but I will eat some beef jerkey on occasion.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I have a cape.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
You lucky bastard
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know how high it was
when he got in the car because we don’t know the time frame (I’d guess it was within an hour) but we do know it was a .092 when he blew into the breathalyzer.
I don’t know this to be true but I think your blood alcohol goes down a point every 40-60 minutes depending on your size.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Watched the LaRussa video you posted yesterday
He didn’t look all that drunk imo. I’m betting medication had to have been involved for him to have been passed out behind the wheel.
This arguement has gone on for two days now and neither of you have budged.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 18, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that Rosenthal
says that some on the team knew about this last September, the puzzle pieces are beginning to fit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I'm done, I just wanted him to acknowledge that when he was driving he was over a .092.
Which he has now done, so I’m done with it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I get it.
And so if they had fired him, I wouldn’t really have any problem with it.
But the moral indignation seems like a pretense to me.
by brettgardner on Mar 18, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
But the moral indignation seems like a pretense to me.
I think it’s legit… At the least I think it’s significant enough that any race-based issue is drowned out.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
O yeah
I base that on the religious atmosphere (without looking up the per capita church stats, just based on growing up there), and the extraordinary circumstances of Wash being a leader on the team…and in his late 50s.
Mostly religion, though.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 18, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, how do you know he went on a "bender" and didn't just rip a couple of lines?
Also, how do you know he didn’t sleep?
Way to throw in that Blalock / Davis factoid Jose.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It makes no difference to him
because he’s wanted him fired since the day he arrived. This is ammo no matter when, how, or where it happened.
I just read on Ken Rosenthal's column
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-pressure-now-on-rangers-manager-
that some of the players knew about Wash’s coke problem last September.
One of the great things about baseball is that you can’t hide dysfunction on the team. If it’s bad enough, you will see it between the lines.
Hmmmmm, this team crash landed in their last 23 games, going 8-15 and also had a 1 run in 5 game streak at the most important time of the year.
I wonder if a certain loose lipped clubhouse man told some of the players and paid for it with his job?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Who is Tracy Ringolsby and why is he wearing a cowboy hat?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Also former DFW writer.
Was it with the DMN or Star Telegram? Can’t remember.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
bad link
but i found the article. I also found Ringolsby’s article. He’s a former DMN columnist who was traded to Denver for much more than he was worth (re: nothing).
Both articles share something. They are both utter crap. Complete trash. Not worth the paper, hell, not worth the electricity used to display the image on the screen, and certainly not worth my time.
Sensationalism and undocumented inuendo. Fire Washington. That’s all they say. That quote about the players knowing about it? I don’t believe it for a second. The actual cquote says that several players weren’t surprised about the announcement and had known about his rehab since september. While its possible, I don’t believe it. MLB is pretty tight lipped about it and no one else has a reason to tell the team. In fact, Washington was probably under orders NOT to tell the team. Now, as far as “surprised”? drug use is no longer a surprise to anyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if my 75 year old father smoked a doobie. Or my 71 year old mother dropped acid.
Use of recreational drugs has become so widespread a phenomena, so pervasive, it reaches across age gaps, gender, race, creed, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. Only the punishments differ. In Europe, drug users are given clean needles and healthcare. In China, drug users are imprisoned and executed. And different drugs are legal in different countries.
Josey’s bitching about using cocaine on a game day is about as stupid as any other thing he bitches about. If Wash had gone out and gotten drunk after a game and was still hung over the next night, then would that be any different? Not one game of that west coast trip started before 7 pm local time, plenty of time to be clean and sober from most benders. Having watched all of those games, I could easily tell you if Wash’s behavior changed during that trip. It didn’t. But don’t take my word for it. Ask the team…. Ask Lewin and Grieve…. If Wash was high during a game, or strung out from being high the night before, ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE NOTICED. You can’t hide that crap.
So, either it happened during the ASB (which is possible) or it was so little coke that it didn’t do more than give him a light buzz and that was that.
As far as it being his one and only time? Well, if he did find out he was going to have to take a drug test the next day, that’ kinda puts a kibosh on future usage. And if he did it before that day, don’t you think someone might have noticed?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Who cares if you don't believe the players knew about it?
Rosenthal got it from somewhere and if true, it appears to have had an effect on the team at the most important time of year.
I’m not going to back down from saying I don’t want the manager of my favorite team going on a coke bender the day of or the night after a game, especially when that manager isn’t that smart when he’s completely sober.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Or he made it up
You are perfectly willing to believe that RG made up his story about the blackmail.
As far as Wash’s treatments distracting players, you don’t think the 3 day rainout and 3 September double headers might have been a bit more deliterious?
Or maybe Michael Youngs injury?
Of course you keep talking about that stretch of 5 games with one run scored, but during that stretch they lost a grand total of 2 games in the standings (9/13 through 9/18), and one of those was because the Angels delivered the final shutout on the 18th. (it does include the 7-2 win in the first game of the doubleheader on Sunday the 13th.
Face it, Josey, you don’t care if Washington is high on Coke or high on life, or anything. You want him fired, and you are looking for any reason possible to get him fired.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
RG has nothing to gain by making up a story
like this and I made it a point to say I’m speculating on why the team played so poorly in September.
Yes, I wanted Washington fired in the past because I always thought he was dumb.
Risking his career and going on another cocaine bender (this wasn’t his first time) during the season when the Rangers were playing their most important games to date, further confirms exactly how stupid he is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Interesting
Evan Grant gets a quote from Jon Daniels to throw Randy Galloway under the bus. And follows it up with an ambiguous one from Ryan.
I hate to say it, but I’m not convinced about Evan’s report. I think JD might be lying here. but I have no proof, so I won’t say anything definite.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Re: I have no proof, so I won’t say anything
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Like that stops anyone here…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
That theory cannot be proven:
In a Thursday piece in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, columnist Randy Galloway, citing numerous sources within the Rangers organization, said a since-fired team employee knew of Washington’s “situation.” Using that knowledge, the individual tried to blackmail the Rangers, Galloway said.
When reached by ESPNDallas.com, Rangers general manager Jon Daniels denied the report.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
G*DAMN I love me some MY
After hearing that interview with Wash & TAG replayed from last night.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
maybe its already been pointed out but i cant find it anywhere
at the bottom of the screen on espn 2 it said “rangers manager washington admits to using amphetemines during playing days”
anybody know what thats about?
sorry if its already been posted
by mikeyoungfuturehof on Mar 18, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
I haven't seen it...but that is complete horseshit if ESPN is running that as a story.
Every. Single. MLB. Player. Used. Greenies. Back. Then.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
STFU, BMFF Sr
Earlier Thursday, outgoing Rangers owner Tom Hicks said the club would have “zero tolerance going forward” for Washington in regards to drug use.
haha
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
i dont think i could've gone any longer
without a statement from our esteemed owner. good to know he is on top of things!
So, Wash needs to stay clean
for about 3 more weeks then.
If it wouldn’t get him fired, he should, after the sale of the team is finalized, hand Hicks a big bag of weed.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Do you realize how many players used amphetemines during the time Ron played?
That’s not a big story, and neither should the current story at hand be. I love mainstream media.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
At least
we are no longer just the team of steroids!
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
shroomer's site sez
Harden, Lewis, Mathis, Scheppers, Snyder, Ogando, Strop
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Oh crap, sorry...should be
Hunter, Harrison, Ray
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
where'd the first list come from
i like that one more =( I want to see scheppers/ogando.
Fanatics - my webcomic
I'm dumb and looked at the wrong day
boo
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I get that it's ST and all...but Lewis needs to come out and look better than he did last time out.
Strop needs to get a good outing also…making me look bad.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
well, the next time they pitch they do.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yes
But Lewis was also screwed by a bad misplay at SS by Olmedo and then left a meatball to Upton. Yeah he needs to look better but as long as he gets his arm up to regular season strength by Opening Day I will forget about his spring numbers and judge him based on his regular season stuff
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The D didn't help him for sure.
I just want to be put at ease on if he is going to be a legit starter, or even a decent innings eater in the U.S.
I have faith in our scouting department…I just want to know NOW if his success in Japan will translate here. I don’t want 6 or 7 starts of him getting micturated on for the Rangers to find out the hard way.
Just being selfish.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I want to have the moon for dinner
want to paint with a dye of stars
enough wisdom to make the Royals a winner
enough insight to find water on Mars
Sway Clark Kent to save Private Ryan
and have the world ask, “Who is John Woo?”
prance the Paso Doble with the lions
although a cat is fine too
Just being selfish.
I'm contemplating on whether or not I go tonight.
If I do, it will be alone, and I’m about 1 hour and 45 minutes away from surprise. I would sit nice though.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Only 7.5 hours for some big news story to break.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Have you been talking to Walkerman today?
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 18, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Adam's own SBN article appearing while he's out
is the only thing that will happen today.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 18, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
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