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Yesterday, Colby Lewis became the first Ranger pitcher to go five innings so far this spring.  Lewis had been spotty in prior starts, leading some fans to question whether he should be in the rotation, but he had a solid performance in yesterday's game.

Evan Grant has some notes up from yesterday's game on the DMN blog.

Jeff Wilson writes that, although Lewis has a spot in the rotation, he wants to prove to folks this spring that he deserves that rotation slot.

T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers will be going with C.J. Wilson and Matt Harrison as their #4 and #5 starters, which means that Derek Holland will start the season in AAA, Neftali Feliz likely in the bullpen, and Brandon McCarthy is in limbo.

Despite the talk of McCarthy opening the season in AAA, I have a hard time seeing him clearing waivers.  Seattle, to name one divisional rival, is going to open the season with Ryan Rowland-Smith, Ian Snell, and Claudio Vargas in its rotation, even assuming Cliff Lee is ready to go Opening Day, and given that they are in a spacious park with a great outfield defense, they'd seem to be interested in a solid starting pitcher who has flyball tendencies.  Anaheim, as well, is low on rotation depth, and could stash McCarthy in the bullpen as a swing man. 

I understand the "gentleman's agreement" and all that when it comes to putting players on revocable waivers to option them when they've been up for three years, but nevertheless, I just can't see 29 teams passing on McCarthy, and in particular, the M's passing on an asset they could definitely use so that their competition for the division title can keep him in AAA as insurance.

Sullivan's notes from yesterday include some quotes from McCarthy about how he wants to be in the rotation, but if he ends up in the bullpen, that's fine as well...he just wants to help the team win.

Gil LeBreton has a column up on Derek Holland, who, he says, just had too much competition for the rotation, and thus starts the season in AAA.

Evan Grant writes that Nolan Ryan and Jon Daniels working together to deal with the issue of Ron Washington's positive drug test last summer helped them forge a closer bond and a better working relationship.

Ray Olmedo has been assigned to the minor league camp.  The notes from the S-T mention that Jon Daniels has been talking to other teams about utility infield options.  I still am of the belief that the utility infielder on Opening Day is going to be someone who isn't here right now, and I expect to see one of the Rangers' extra arms used to acquire that player.

Richard Durrett has some quotes up from Josh Hamilton.

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Guy to go 5 innings, huh?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Heh. Blogging the Boys called, they want their bit back.

"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.

by AceJC on Mar 21, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know spring training win/loss records need to weighted accordingly (it's not end of the world but it's also not meaningless)

but we’re sitting at 6-10 and it’d be a nice indicator to get back to .500 before Opening Day.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree, it would be more of a "feel good" thing, but good nonetheless.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Given everything we're now dealing with and what was also happening last September...

I’d like to see a serious rally round the manager, all-for-one, we’re definitely not distracted nor dysfunctional mentality.

These boys have always played their best when their manager was in the deep stuff and I’d like a slam-dunk quck start to nip all questions in the bud right away.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that a few of the losses

were wins until the MiL players came in with their awesome defense.

"We pitched, we caught the ball, we ran the bases, we had good days where we out-fundamentalized the other team." - Ronald Washington

by Pocket Ninja on Mar 21, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, those poor pitchers

What, 3 or 4 games blown by poor defense from the fill-ins?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its pretty meaningless

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

For some teams it can be fairly meaningless but tell that

to the 3-13 Washington Nationals.

I’d feel better about the lack of dysfunction if we didn’t have an 8-15 start to spring training.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sky Andrecheck over at Baseball Analysts...

…says that there is a correlation between spring training results and big league results, but it’s pretty minute.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Mar 21, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

When half the games are played

with NRIs and prospects who aren’t ready for the Majors (and the term prospect can sometimes be used loosely during ST), it doesn’t matter that much. When the ST games are being played completely with the starters, then I’ll look at their record as anything more than meaningless.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

x

its pretty meaningless

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree...

Winning is an attitude, a mentality. Winning perpetuates confidence. It doesn’t matter if you’re playing checkers or major league baseball. Once you accept losing, you can lose some of your edge and desire, even if it is just a little bit. So, while ST record doesn’t really correlate to a teams record in the regular season, it’s not totally meaningless

by Topgun22 on Mar 21, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I disagree.

A teams ST record is completely meaningless imo. Nobody is losing their ‘attitude’ or ‘mentality’ from losing a few ST games. It’s practice, nothing more.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I disagree. . .

. . . because there’s evidence it’s not completely meaningless.

Just mostly.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

What evidence?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter...

how often it’s been mentioned. I hardly see that as evidence that ST matters. it’s one guys opinion.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I did...

and if you’re going to be an ass about it then I will refrain from continuing the discussion.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take your ball and go home.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's statistical analysis.

That’s hardly “one guys opinion.”

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Mar 21, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are far too many variables...

happening in ST for that kind of advanced statistics to correlate ST and regular season numbers.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly.

That doesn’t mean you can just throw the evidence out because you don’t like what it says, unless you can actually improve upon the research to negate the correlation.

And you still called it “just one guy’s opinion” instead of the use of data to successfully find a correlation between spring training and its predictive quality on the season.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is his opinion...

yes he used stats to support it, but you can also use stats to disprove it as well.

There are plenty of stats to support my opinion as well. Even something as simple as team records (which was the original point) like Cahill used below. Plenty of teams have had a bad ST record and gone onto a successful regular season.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

He presented the data.

Which part of the data is incorrect? It’s not one guy’s opinion, it’s one guy presenting evidence that you can read yourself. Is it your assertion that he doctored the numbers to back up what he wanted to think?

Which stats support your opinion more strongly than his? Cahill used three teams to prove you can win despite having a poor spring training. I don’t think anyone has ever said otherwise, and that makes me think you didn’t actually read or understand what Andercheck said.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay...

that’s the second time you’ve suggested that I didn’t read or can’t understand the article when I told you I did. Obviously I’m just not bright enough to understand how important ST games are and how much they matter. You’re right.

Or you’re just a pompous ass. Either way I’m done here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really not sure how we'll be able to go on

or if the sun will come up tomorrow.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or, I find it very hard to believe you came out with the summary you did if you read it.

You want me to lie to you? I’m not sure how else to address the fact that, and I’ll say this as nicely as possible, I don’t think you understood it. It’s not because you’re an idiot, because I don’t think you are, but I don’t think you actually understood it. I’m sorry.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because I didn't...

derive the same conclusion from it as you did? You don’t think there’s more that one way to interpret what Andercheck came up with?

Sorry, but that was far from definitive in my opinion and doesn’t change the fact that I don’t think a teams ST record matters.

Opinions are like assholes…

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 21, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you took your ball home already

and said goodbye cruel world?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, who said it was definitive?

And no, because you called it “one man’s opinion,” when it was not his opinion it was the data he came across and presented to the reader. And because you looked at that data and decided three individual teams completely negate it as evidence.

And because you think anyone said it was definitive.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between conclusions

that are based on statistical analyses, and conclusions that are apparently not based on that or any other evidence. That’s not to say the former are always correct. But there is a difference.

If you’d point to an alternative way of interpreting Andrecheck’s analysis, or to flaws in it, or to competing studies, that’d be good for the discussion. Otherwise…

by Josh Garoon on Mar 21, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are meaningless

The 2008 World Champ Phillies were 12-18 in Spring Training
The 2005 World Champ ChiSox were 14-18 in ST
The 2003 World Champ Marlins were 15-16 in ST

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Mar 21, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those teams didn't collapse in the previous September

nor did their manager fail a drug test.

ST results give you information but those results mean different things to different teams.

All things being equal, I’d prefer my favorite team to win as much as possible whenever they play, especially given our circumstances.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd just as soon they win everything

but it doesn’t mean that ST games are meaningful.

ST yields zero information as far as stats or records. All you can tell is if folks are healthy, and if their previous injuries have healed up.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Mar 21, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I also see this team swinging from their ass

early in counts. I haven’t seen just a whole lot of patience at the plate (which was a problem last year) and their production has also been down. It’s not an absolute but it’s an indicator.

I did like seeing Cobra Lewis rebound from a shaky first inning and then start pounding the strike zone early and often.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He seems to be getting squeezed a tad.

Really a brand new guy out there.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roughly a third of the '00s

WS were won by teams with losing ST records.

I think the great Fergie Jenkins was right about STs meaning when he was quoted on Adam and Jamey’s last podcast.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Mar 21, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does this prove that spring-training records are meaningless?

If I said 70% of the World Series from 2000-2009 were won by teams with winning records in Spring Training, what would that prove?

by Josh Garoon on Mar 21, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's only a third, btw. . .

. . . that still would mean you’re more likely to win the World Series with a winning spring than without, if you actually want to use that small sample size that way. All you’ve proven is that you can have a bad spring and still win the World Series, which no one has yet disputed. You have not proven that spring training is 100% meaningless when adjusting expectations.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has proven that its not 100% meaningful though

Jesus christ some people can’t see things in anything other than absolutes. I would hate to live like that

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, seeing as we've been filling our infield with backup utility guys

for the second half of games, I’m not at all concerned with our record. Given their play it’s a little surprising we’ve won as many as we have…

by MikeEl on Mar 21, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

what in particular Mikey?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh...
Ian Kinsler will not hit off a tee this weekend after all, as his right ankle is getting checked out by team trainer Jamie Reed.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully this qualifies as his obligatory injury of the season

Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans

by LSJ on Mar 21, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'd take that outing from Colby anytime

With one or two more innings, and without that last “1”.

5 5 2 2 1 6 1

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Aren't the waivers for McCarthy revocable?

So say Seattle claims him — the Rangers just pull him back and stick him in the pen. Or work out a trade. I don’t see any way Seattle/Anaheim/whoever ends up getting McCarthy on a waiver claim.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Mar 21, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

The Rangers SHOULD

put him on revocable waiver and if he gets claimed just pull him back and stick him in the pen if we can’t trade him. With him having new mechanics, he could use more innings under his belt with little or no pressure which he would get in the minors.

As tyd said, McCarthy for Chin Lung Hu?

"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali

by coolaid on Mar 21, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what I don't understand

about people talking about who could use him. Seattle, LAAAAA, Oakland, whoever. It doesn’t matter if they need him or not because the Rangers aren’t just going to lose him to waivers. The only thing that team would accomplish would be to slightly inconvenience the Rangers. That’s a possibility that could happen, but it doesn’t matter who Seattle’s number 5 starter is for them to decide to do that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, because he can be pulled back

Or, most likely, a potential trade with another team is already worked out, and if he gets claimed, then said trade is consummated.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

A guy like McCarthy

can be squeezed onto most teams. He’s no worse than plenty of NRIs out there that find a roster spot. The thing is, having a spot for him or not, the Rangers aren’t going to lose him for nothing.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's not what he's saying

He’s saying they will force you do put him in the pen by placing a claim.

The question then becomes whether to trade him or stick him in the pen, but no one’s (besides Mike Bacsik) saying that they would actually lose him to waivers.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 21, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

if it is all about forcing the Rangers to use a 25 man spot on him, then it really doesn’t have much to do with whether Seattle needs him or not. It just amounts to a strategic maneuver.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Mar 21, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

you still have to be willing to take him if the Rangers don’t pull him back for whatever reason. Yes, it’s about forcing Texas to stick him in their pen or trade him, but it also has to be worthwhile for you, just in case.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 21, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see anything in AJM's post about other teams forcing the Rangers to put him in the bullpen

But, since you’re Z, I’ll say OK.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Mar 22, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Put BMac in the bullpen.

Go with Frankie, Oliver, Ray, O’Day, Nippert, BMac and Feliz (if he secondaries improve over the next two weeks.)

Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP

by RangerMad on Mar 21, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

McCarthy

It doesn’t matter whether or not another team would actually get him. If you are fine putting him in the pen if he got claimed on waivers then you might as well do that from the get go. Pulling him back off waivers severely limits your flexibility and this roster already is low on that as it is.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does that limit your flexibility?

If you can send him down to the minors and that is Plan A, then you try doing that. Just because Plan B isn’t much worse doesn’t mean you shouldn’t at least try to send him down. I don’t get what flexibility you lose by pulling him off waivers.

And of course, the team might just decide that they’d rather have him in the bullpen over the other options so there is no need to send him down.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to wait a certain length of time

I believe we would have to wait until August but that may be wrong

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not like it matters

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hit post too soon

If we’re going to need to send him down later in the season, you can just hide him on the DL or at that point, release him if he’s struggling that bad.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great

Then when he goes to another team and realizes his potential we can all hear about how we let another one get away for nothing.

I guess I just don’t want to give away guys with his talent if we have other options that are just as good.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're only giving him up if all of the following occur:

1) We can’t option him down through revocable waivers

2) He isn’t a good option out of the bullpen

3) He isn’t a good option out of the rotation

4) The team is too loaded with good options to keep a guy like McCarthy around

5) He’s perfectly healthy to the point where you can’t even stick him on the DL with arm fatigue or something else incredibly minor that buys you at least 15 days

And at that point, you’re looking at a 26 year old guy who has reworked his mechanics multiple times over the past few years, has had multiple serious injuries over the past 3 years, has become below league average through his now 6 year career, AND will be a FA in 2012 after getting at least another 1.5 million in 2011. So if everything goes wrong for McCarthy, I’m ready to cut ties with him. I also fail to see how we wouldn’t be able to send him down through revocable waivers now but would be able to a couple of months down the line. There will most likely be the same number of teams then that you can say could take a flier on McCarthy.

I also could care less about making moves just to not hear stupid people bitch at how we let another one go for nothing. This system is loaded with pitching talent that includes 4 guys with legit ace ceilings who are either ML ready or very close.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Options

Lets assume the bullpen is Frankie, Oliver, Ray, Feliz, Nippert, ODay, McCarthy

Nippert and Oliver have no options
Frankie can refuse an optional assignment due to service time
Ray would have to go through waivers

ODay is the only one im not sure of their option status. But he is supposed to be a key member of your pen. Like Feliz I don’t think he would be a guy you would send on the yo-yo if you need a fresh arm or another guy in the pen for a few days.

With Harden and most likely CJ being guys who won’t be going that deep into games its very likely we are going to need to rotate fresh arms into the pen eventually without someone being injured. Having no flexibility to do so could result in us losing a pretty nice pitcher for nothing.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get how your flexilibity is worse

by first trying to option McCarthy down and then sticking him in the pen if that fails which is what your original post seemed to say. Maybe I misunderstood that point though.

As for the flexibility of the bullpen, if most of those guys are struggling, you can DL them or release them. Nippert is a nice arm, but he’s at the point where you aren’t going to be fine with him struggling. If Oliver struggles that badly and there’s no health issue, then he’s being released. Frankie isn’t getting sent down just like Papelbon isn’t getting sent down in Boston. Your closer not having options isn’t an issue and history has shown us that Frankie’s only problem would be health, so the DL bails you out there. Ray is similar to Frankie where if he’s ineffective, there’s likely a health issue. I also think O’Day has options left, but not sure about that since Scott’s site has a question mark for him.

Between Nippert, Oliver, Feliz, and McCarthy, you also have a good few multiple inning options to go with. The worst case scenarios for the flexibility of the bullpen also are likely the result of a team that has fallen out of contention. If the bullpen is that exhausted by June, then the rotation has struggled a lot. Not only that, if we’re that concerned about the bullpen’s innings, that means that DL’ing someone and giving them time off isn’t an option
because guys like Strop, Scheppers, Ogando, etc. aren’t ready yet,. another situation I don’t see happening.

I’m not too worried about Harden and CJ not going deep into games. For Harden last season, he’s said that the Cubs were cautious with him (shut him down early and rarely let him go by the 100 pitch mark). The problem for him will be actually starting the games not so much going deep into games. And if CJ is struggling once he gets to the 5th inning, then he’s not going to be in the rotation for much longer and would make the transition back to the bullpen.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't just magically waive the DL wand over someone and they are hurt

Yeah it can be used here or there but if you start abusing it a player is going to file a greivance and then all hell may break loose.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 21, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No they won't

especially when the main cause of most of those pitchers struggling would likely be a result of some injury. You think FX2 is just going to magically suck this season without any injury to blame? Plus, if these guys are being that overworked, you can bet that they’ll have some fatigue and arm pains that you can DL them for.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 21, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

YAY! Matty! Matty! Matty!

Matty “the anti-Millwood” makes the cut as he should, now Wash and JD won’t have to deal with this face if he hadn’t.

If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.

by BigGuns on Mar 21, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

One of my top three favorite gifs.

Rec’d.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Mar 21, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's so uncomfortable to me....

such bad acting.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's freaking James Vander Beek....

He was Dawson of “Dawson’s Creek”

Never seen one episode.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude's got a fivehead

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's that?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's too big to be just a forehead.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.

by BigGuns on Mar 21, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good line, scoop.

When I was in college, we called some girls “8 Irons”…. because they only look good from 160 yards out.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. I'm taking that one to the bars.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

snicker.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

who was hitting

an 8 iron 160 yds when you were in college?

by Randy Richardson on Mar 21, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josey of course.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably Kim Jong Il.
Back in 1994, North Korea’s first golf course was opened in Pyongyang, and Kim decided to play it. He’d never golfed before, but wow, was he a natural.

In his first-ever round of golf, he shot a world-record 38 under par… including another world record 11 holes-in-one! And even though all 17 of his bodyguards were eyewitnesses and swear they saw that go down, for some reason, the round-eye devils at “Guinness” fail to recognize either record.

After that round, the media tells us, Kim decided to retire from golf forever, lest he ruin it for us mortals.

by philkid3 on Mar 21, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hitting an 8 Iron 160 yards is nothing to brag about

if that’s what you’re implying. It’s fairly standard stuff. I have a friend who is in his mid 40s that I’ve seen hit 150+ yard sandwedge that made me feel like a kitty cat.

If it makes you feel better, I now hit an 8 Iron 155ish or so, a driver 260-280 yards and I still suck. No better than the high 80s when playing “well.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 21, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't wait to break 100.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

my point was that

when you were in college, which I’m assuming from what I’ve inferred from past posts was in the 70’s, almost no golfer was capable of hitting an 8 iron 160 yds.

by Randy Richardson on Mar 22, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was in college in the mid 1980s, RR.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 22, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

bwaa

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

All these AIDS is making me horny!

Oh Dawson…

/Corby

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great bits, especially Rhyner's feigned distaste for them.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

are those the ones where they'd be commercial spoofs?

“This week on Dawson’s Creek”

You gotta link to some of those, they were funny.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.theunticket.com/?s=dawson%27s+creek&x=0&y=0&=Go

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 21, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And bookmarked, heh

THX

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite lines from a movie that's either really good or really bad

YOU WOULDN’T LAST ONE DAY ON THE CREEK!

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 21, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone asked about Dontrelle yesterday, so:
The Detroit News’ Lynn Henning expects the Tigers to release left-hander Dontrelle Willis before spring training is through.

Willis has allowed just one run and five hits over 10 innings this spring, but it’s probably too little too late. His fastball has not once topped 89 MPH in a Grapefruit League game and the Tigers have a fairly talented crew of pitchers set to head north once camp breaks. The 28-year-old Willis is sure to get a look elsewhere, but we’re thinking he’s probably finished.
Source: Detroit News

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

he had a terrible time repeating that delivery of his...now that he's gotten older and bigger it's almost impossible.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Mar 21, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Feliz needs to join Holland at AAA

I hope they don’t slot Neftali into the bullpen role. Send him to AAA and let him start every fifth day to get his secondaries back up to snuff. I’m afraid without confidence in his secondary pitches that his stint as a reliever right now could hamper him going forward. Plus he’s still our most immediate hope for a true TORP.

And btw, I put both Holland and Feliz on pitch counts at AAA window between 80 and 95 pitches max 5 to 6 innings. I want them to keep loose but I want their arms fresh when we need them with the big club later.

by bstair on Mar 21, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

But the problem with that is it leaves O’Day and Old Man Oliver as the setup men and moves Ray/Nippert into higher leverage roles, and I don’t think the Rangers want to do that.

Unfortunately it still might happen if Feliz isn’t pitching well at the start of the season still – which is the problem with moving CJ into the rotation. I’ll admit, I’m warming to the idea of CJ as a starter, but it still opens a pretty large void in the back of our ‘pen, especially if Fx2 can’t stay healthy again.

The Rangers kinda wanna have their cake and eat it too though, and they’re gonna use Feliz to get it. Sucks.

Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans

by LSJ on Mar 21, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

EG should approve

I’m making Manischewitz soup tonight, with homemade cornbread (honey/butter topped).

(except the filthy animal hunks I’m adding :) )

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 21, 2010 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

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