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Harden Projection Discussion



I went totally optimistic in my projections. I want Richie Rich to be the dominant #1 the Rangers have been craving for so long, my desires took over my reality. I want to see him take the mound, game 1 of the ALDS and dominate I can taste it. Hell, I might buy my playoff tickets now if I could.

 

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    I was confused when looking at Harden's stats...

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harderi01.shtml

    165 game average SO’s: 203.. yet he’s never had more than 181.

    I think I’m still slightly confused how they average it out.

    by cmkelly29 on Mar 24, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

    Click the "162"...
    This is an attempt to condense each pitcher’s career into a single season’s worth of stats. With batters this is easy. Just take their career games played and divide by 162 and then divide their career totals by that factor. For pitchers, this is more difficult. What I have done is treat a pitcher season as having Games Pitched + Games Started = 68 as a single-season. So I normalize everything, so a pitcher has Games + Games Started = 68. So an average season is 34 starts or 68 relief appearances.

    by Oracle Galvez on Mar 24, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

    What is his over/uber on IP?

    I went 147 IP.

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    by RangerMad on Mar 24, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

    Over for me.

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    by Aqua on Mar 24, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

    the whole board is a little too optimistic about Harden's IPs

    he’s pitched over 150 innings only once in 2004. The last two years give you hope with 148 and 141 IPs, but I don’t see how only 3 people have him below that 150IPs mark.

    A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

    by NothinG on Mar 24, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

    JMO, but

    I think he could have pitched more last season if the Cubs didn’t handle him very carefully. Now that might be the best way to keep him healthy, but if we’re in the playoff hunt, I don’t think the Rangers are going to risk being extra cautious with Harden for a potential playoff start without guaranteeing that they make the playoffs first.

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    by Gdawg on Mar 24, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

    He had alot of pitches per inning with the Cubs in the weaker league

    I expect his SOs and BBs to regress somewhat with him pitching slightly fewer innings due to facing a DH rather than a pitcher.

    I figure 9.5 K/9, 3.8 BB/9, 1 HR/9 for a FIP of ~3.8.
    I give him some defensive bonus benefit for an ERA of 3.6.

    I don’t think he gets beyond 135 IP because of the slightly harder competition in the AL and I don’t think the Rangers will handle him that much differently than the Cubs did.

    One thing I didn’t really take into account — I think the Rangers D is better than the Cubs, so he could see more IP (150ish) with a reduction in K/9 and BB/9 simply due to a higher percentage of balls-in-play being turned into outs. Something that I wouldn’t really complain about.

    by Trickman on Mar 24, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Pretty sure the Cubs were bottom 5 in D last season

    So your reasoning is sound.

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    by Rodney on Mar 24, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, I remembered that they had Soriano in LF for them

    And it made me think that their D was probably crappy.

    Isn’t he like, almost Adam Dunn bad out there?

    by Trickman on Mar 24, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

    -10.8 UZR -15.9 UZR/150 in '09

    ouchie

    "Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
    "When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
    And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

    by Rodney on Mar 24, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I have him right at 150

    I think his normal output would be 140ish, but since the organization seemingly doesn’t pay as attention to pitch counts anymore, I think he’ll have several starts where at a point he would normally come out, he’ll be in for one extra out or better and those will add up to 10 extra innings.

    I’m probably completely wrong, though.

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    by WhipSmart on Mar 24, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

    pay as CLOSE attention

    proofreading is my friend

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    by WhipSmart on Mar 24, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I have him at 120

    I don’t see Harden coming back as strong as everyone else. He will only be the 5th or 6th best starter on the team.

    by Mark from OC on Mar 24, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I was cautious. I wanted to go balls out but I was afraid I'd jinx him.

    "Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

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    by Ryin A on Mar 24, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

    It's too bad websites like this weren't around when Nolan was pitching.

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    by Aqua on Mar 24, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I was thinking of just the projection threads alone, but good lord.

    Talk about boom bust.

    I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010

    by Aqua on Mar 24, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

    projected Nolan IP/ERA/Ks/BBs/HR

    400/1.25/614/253/10

    Bonus – Robin Ventura KOs: 5

    He gives up only about 50 hits all year, if not for his BBs, he’d have broken Bob Gibson’s modern ERA record.

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    by JBImaknee on Mar 24, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I figured 25-28 starts, 5.5-6.0 IP/start, ERA slightly above 4 being back in the AL

    and pitching at the BPiA as opposed to Oakland. I’ll take that as a solid season with hopefully the potential to pitch gems in the postseason.

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    by scoop16 on Mar 24, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

    poop, forgot about the Oak Coliseum vs BPiA factor...

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    by Ryin A on Mar 24, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Projection:

    His Dreaminess per Start (DPS) will lead the league at a remarkable 100% dreaminess.

    by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 24, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

    it's tough to compete with his DPS

    A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

    by NothinG on Mar 24, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

    useless stat

    doesn’t really represent a player’s true impact on team perception.

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    by WhipSmart on Mar 24, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Agree, they might as well go ahead and award him AL "MDP" (most dreamy player)

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    by WestTxAg06 on Mar 25, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I feel like I'm taking the far under on him, but at least that means I might be surprised.

    I was tempted to take the middle ground between his CHONE projections and his last full AL season, but that felt too optimistic.

    by philkid3 on Mar 24, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

    BTW AJM

    I really like this format for projecting the pitchers.

    by philkid3 on Mar 24, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

    Really?

    I would’ve liked projecting K/9, BB/9 and HR/9 better, myself…

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    by LSJ on Mar 24, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Maybe.

    We’re projecting IP so it’s a pretty small quibble.

    by philkid3 on Mar 24, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

    And whether you go rate or total. . .

    . . . in the past we’ve done wins and not walks or hrs, so it’s definitely better.

    by philkid3 on Mar 24, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

    True that.

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    by LSJ on Mar 24, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

    What would be realistic about that?

    He went way past that the last two seasons. I don’t expect him to do any better than he has the last two seasons but I see no reason to believe he won’t be able to scratch out 100.

    Do you think something’s wrong with his arm now or something? Just being contrarian?

    by Black Francis on Mar 25, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

    We're talking about Harden...

    not Sheets.

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    by AceJC on Mar 25, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Because while it's certainly possible. . .

    . . . he’s only fallen short of 100 twice since his rookie year, and cleared it comfortably the last two years.

    So, tell us why we should project under 100.

    by philkid3 on Mar 25, 2010 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I went 152 IPs and

    immediately felt poster’s remorse for my optimism.

    Harden’s never been above 148 IPs since he went 189 IPs several years ago.

    The Rangers are just invested in him for one year so they may not be that worried about his future but 152 IPs may be really pushing it for Harden.

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    by Josey Wales on Mar 25, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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