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Roster moves and the pitching staff

Anthony Andro breaks down the latest Rangers moves with the pitching staff.

The rotation is set, and Scott Feldman is the Opening Day starter.

Brandon McCarthy and Derek Holland have been optioned to AAA, and while we've heard that McCarthy clearing revocable waivers should be a non-issue, I'm not sure yet if he has cleared or will now have to clear.

Neftali Feliz is in the bullpen to start the season.

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WTH?

Didn’t they already tell us it was Harden, CJ, Feldman, Harry, Colbayashi? Hmm…

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Beat Writers

I think the Beat Writers made that original declaration, not the club

by Heebs on Mar 27, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course

The beat writers are telling this to us too

by Heebs on Mar 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm cool with Scooter being the Opening Day Starter

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I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
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by RangersSD on Mar 27, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

JD said Bmac didn't have to clear any special waivers

Sounds like he couldn’t be claimed anyway.

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by Dirk Diggler on Mar 27, 2010 11:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Andro says

McCarthy is not out of options, so does that mean he doesn’t have to clear waivers? The story we heard all spring training was that he was out of options.

"Few things go together as well as Country & Western music and crazy people" Bob Dylan

by walrus52 on Mar 27, 2010 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Not at all

From what I understand, he still has options, but he’s accrued enough service to where he has to clear revocable waivers in order to be sent down.

"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar

by chrisR on Mar 27, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's never what we heard.

It was made clear several times he had options left.

by Mike E on Mar 27, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

On B-Mac
@aandro @Kinslerhomer Jon Daniels said all we needed to know was that he was optioned to OKC. Didn’t have to clear anything.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Mar 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

'parently not

"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar

by chrisR on Mar 27, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

he probably went through waivers a long time ago

typically, in August, teams put players through revocable waivers and no one ever hears about it. I’m sure if the Rangers wanted to option him today, they’d have sent him through before today.

But I find it amusing that people have been fretting about it when it may have already happened weeks ago.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Mar 27, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullshit...

I demand to know more.

JD owes all LSBers and explanation on exactly what happened here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 27, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman

Don’t really mind him getting the start since we play the Blue Jays and face Marcum but if it was the M’s and F-Her than I would have wanted Harden.

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by coolaid on Mar 27, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

More McCarthy

Who said he had to clear revokable waivers in the first place? So all that discussion about whether or not another team would claim his was pointless.

by Mark from OC on Mar 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I blame AJM

just because. :)

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

he cleared waivers, and JD is just telling us he didn’t have to, to make Adam look like a fool. :D

"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar

by chrisR on Mar 27, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

then what the hell is this!?
No comment.
by Mike E on Mar 27, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar

by chrisR on Mar 27, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

More
In addition to setting the staff, the Rangers also sent Craig Gentry to Oklahoma City. Alexi Ogando was sent to Frisco and Kevin Richardson to the minor league camp.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Mar 27, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I remember a few years ago

when someone in the Rangers org. said that if Omar Beltre was allowed in the US, he’s already be in the majors. Guess Ogando is ahead of the curve.

"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar

by chrisR on Mar 27, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feliz

The more time he spends in the bullpen the more likely he is the closer next year or in 2012. Shortterm, it is an OK move, but it does himder his development longterm.

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Yup, that is a very serious fear

But then again, so was optioning McCarthy

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 27, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was never scared of optioning McCarthy

because he could always have been pulled back, and it would have meant someone like Mathis wasn’t in our bullpen.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mathis > BMac

at leat as a RP

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

"serious fear"

Some has a serious fear that he wouldn’t be claimed. :)

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I just know Ron is going to be pushing for him to be closer next year and not want to give him a true shot at starting. It’s very aggravating.

by Mike E on Mar 27, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

that Warsh will even be here next year. Not minimizing the good things he’s done but considering the pitfalls that could get him fired such as a relapse, slow start, etc. i would put his job security about on par with some democratic congessmen this year.

by BEW on Mar 27, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

Wash may not be here next year, and even if he is it’s JD and Nolan that will call the shot on that. I think Wash has very little input on the situation.

And everything I’ve read from Nolan and JD suggests they want him to get a shot at starting.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 27, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just not a fan of Feliz in the bullpen

especially when he’s struggled. Is he going to be able to pitch enough innings so he can be ready to start next year? How badly will Wash screw him up like he did with CJ and Fx2 back to back last year?

Won’t someone please think of Happy’s future?

by Hull Fan on Mar 27, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

and they'll talk about what's best for the team yadda yadda

but if making Feliz a starter means he can be an Ace, that would be best for the team, right?

Wash will help reduce the amount of breaking pitches Feliz throws so this time next year, they’ll say the same thing and Wash can make Feliz the closer.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if he can develop his secondary stuff can he come anywhere close to an ace

The more and more I think about it I would be fine with sending Feliz down and spending until September in OKC as a starter who is told to work exclusively on secondary stuff. Maybe allow him 5 or 6 fastballs an inning and the rest secondary stuff to get him to work on it.

If all he has is his fastball his best place on this team is probably at closer

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why I was all fear and loathingish about Wash's quote that you were all cool about over the morning thread

So, agreeance!

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 27, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

But can you really say that about him?

He’s thrown some nasty breaking shit. He can do it he just doesn’t do it consistently. Well at 21 years old that makes him pretty normal as far as stuff/age group. I really think he could benefit from a program like that. If it doesn’t work out so be it but to not even try is extremely aggravating. Perhaps Ray becomes healthy and they’ll see the value of Feliz in OKC but I won’t hold my breath.

Saying he’s a "finished’ product, let’s stick him in the bullpen at this point seems like we’re trying to castrate him.

by Hull Fan on Mar 27, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he has thrown some beauties

But those have been few and far between. I think some of the “good ones” we saw last year were more attributed to the hitters being so geared up for 98+ mph heat that snapping off a mid 80s curve is just unfair late in games.

Im not advocating labeling him as a reliever permanently right now but I think the longer he spends in the ML bullpen the longer hes going to need in the minors to work on his secondary stuff. And if he spends his age 21/22 season in the majors bullpen he may need his entire 22/23 season in the minors in order to be ready at age 24 to be a ML starting pitcher. And if he can’t be a true 1 or 2 in the rotation then he needs to be the closer IMO.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

the logical progression would be to start him

see if he can develop his offspeed stuff and then be a successful starter in the big leagues. If not, you can turn him into a closer. Otherwise, it does limit a year of growth. Maybe working out of the bullpen will help him since he’ll be facing ML hitters. I just hope the Rangers make the decision to start stretching him out either later this year or next year, and commit to him starting.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

But with the Rangers being “in it to win it” this year I don’t think we will see that happen. And then next year I think they will look at it and see Perez knocking on the doorstep along with Scheppers and decide that since Feliz already has had success against ML hitters and with Frankie gone he is going to just slide right in that role.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who the heck can guarantee

that either Perez or Scheppers is ready next year and a starter to boot. It just seems like banking on them to make it as starters but limit Feliz is dumb. Yeah Fx2 is all but gone after this season but CJ will probably bolt from the rotation after 2011. Harden probably won’t be here either. There’s a place in the rotation for Feliz if he gets the opportunity to work on his off speed stuff. Giving him innings and the chance to morph into a legit #1 starter should be a higher priority than it seems to be.

by Hull Fan on Mar 27, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look im not saying its set in stone

But if you ask me to look into the future thats what I see happening. I think if Feliz had come to camp with better secondary stuff and the Rangers were deadset on him being a starter he would be starting the season in OKC as a starter. And by the time they do decide he is going to be switched back to a starter we will have multiple other options and his best use to us will be as a closer and we won’t have to go without him for several months while he stretches himself out.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I'm not castigating you.

You’re my devil’s advocate here so I appreciate the sounding board. I am saying though that it seems the Rangers are using this “its time” meme to the possible detriment of Feliz and the Rangers come 2011 and beyond. Papelbon is great closer but despite his trials and tribulations I’d rather have Bucholtz and his future even if it took longer to achieve full time major league starter status.

The Rangers think they can win this year and that’s a good thing but part of winning is letting young players grow in the place that’s best for their development. I don’t think that’s the bullpen with Wash in his ear saying throw the heat.

by Hull Fan on Mar 27, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

The longer he spends in the bullpen, the further away the day when he’s fronting our rotation becomes.

Thing is, by letting CJ start they’ve pretty much backed themselves into the corner of having to put Feliz in the bullpen to start the year

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by LSJ on Mar 27, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom line on McCarthy

this is really good news. Regardless of how unpopular he is, he is really good rotation depth, along with Holland and Hunter.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 27, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

And Hurley down the road too.

Seems like he’s a forgotten piece that could make a big impact at some point.

by MikeEl on Mar 27, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

His condition

is just so much in the air. It’s not just a matter of time, but what kind of pitcher he turns out to be as he returns to top form.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 27, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about awesome.

But I loved his demeanor on the mound.

by octoberty on Mar 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it

unusually for that type of an injury to result in increased velo?

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by coolaid on Mar 27, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't McCarthy's condition an issue too?

The guy can’t stay healthy for a full season.

by Mark from OC on Mar 27, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

McCarthy isn't returning from a serious injury

that caused him to miss all of 2009

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by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

McCarthy is returning rom a series of injuries that limit him to less than 100 innings as a starter each year.

by Mark from OC on Mar 27, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’d have been find with him as a long reliever, but this is better.

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by DJCahill on Mar 27, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to get blasted on this but

I can’t believe Feliz has shown what is needed to make this club even in the relief role right now. He’s given up 12 runs in 8 innings of work, has hit 2 batter and walked 4 others. He has 10 k’s but that’s only half as effective as he was last year in the majors in terms of bb/k ratio.

Plus I haven’t heard of him “concentrating on his secondary pitches” as the reason his line is bad… but even it it was the reason doesn’t that reinforce the need to send him down to work on those?

And those of you who have seen him at Spring Training… is his velocity back to where it was when he came up or has it ticked down like it did at the end of the year last year?

by bstair on Mar 27, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

Washingtons quote from the morning thread would seem to indicate Feliz wasn’t concentrating on simply blowing guys away with the fastball which led to him getting shelled.

I think when Feliz comes into a game late the other team gets so wired to try and hit his heater that his secondary stuff gets amplified and is more effective than it probably should be. In spring that late game attitude isn’t there alot of the time and Feliz probably hasn’t been rearing back and firing full force.

I have no worries about Feliz out of the pen.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep what up?

Correcting people that put a lot as one word? Probably forever.. I’ve been doing it for the past several years.

by Mike E on Mar 27, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Lot' is one word.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 27, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hadn't noticed you doing it until today,

and it seemed a bit Quixotic — not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by other_shoe on Mar 27, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think what Feliz has done...

…in his career up to this point is more meaningful than what he’s done this spring.

I think he gives the Rangers a better chance to win right now than Doug Mathis or Guillermo Moscoso or whomever else would be in that spot.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 27, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

"a better chance to win right now" is the operative point here

I think it’s fairly obvious the team is “going all in” with the current available players, and looking to get the most utility to the team right now, regardless of future considerations of some players, i.e. Feliz.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mathis is making the team anyways

by Mike E on Mar 27, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how much of a difference

Moscoso/Mathis/Feliz would make on this team’s success if the offense sucks as bad as last year, and as bad as they have been in ST over the last 12 or so games.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

slow starter

Looking at his minor league splits (I know, SSS) April is arguably his worse month (6.o3 BB/9). He may just be a slow starter. Someone who needs X amount of IP to find his command. Last year he came up im Aug after having thrown 77 innings in AAA. How long will it take him to find his command? Can the Rangers afford to let him “find it” at the ML level?

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Feliz sucks in April

do you send him down and let him work on starting? I think I would. The whole “win now” thing seems to be the only valid reason for Feliz sticking in the pen because he already was broken in last year. Thus, if he isnt helping then why not let him try starting again in AAA instead of waiting until next year.

by nathanbaum09 on Mar 27, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally would send him down now

and let him work on being a starter. You can always shorten him up in June/July for a stretch run. Hard to ever stretch him back out during season if you get him used to throwing 1.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Mar 27, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

…I don’t think there’s any chance he’s going to be used as a starter in the majors this season anyway.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 27, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that effects

the time it would turn him back into a starter in the minors how? I’m treading along the line of wanting a useful bullpen piece but also being worried about stunting the potential development of a front line starter.

If for what ever reason, we find ourselves out of the race in July we have basically burned a year of his potential development as a starter for, in the long run, nothing. I guess I’m just split on the idea of giving us the best shot to win now vs the best shot to win for long term.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Mar 27, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like him in the 'Pen now

He was so dominant last year and with CJ going to the rotation, and Oday hurt, we could definitely use another arm in the bullpen. If he sucks though, I would not hesitate in sending him down and putting him in the AAA rotation until next year (assuming he doesnt strike out 50 in a row or the entire bullpen getting hurt)

by nathanbaum09 on Mar 27, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long would it take him to stretch out?

I feel like Z has said two months, and he knows more than me. So I would think you send him down to stretch out on a timeline that would then have him able to potentially be in the rotation at the end of the season without going over the work load limit the club decides he should have.

Until then, he helps the team in the bullpen.

by philkid3 on Mar 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this idea

Because I think there’s a good possibility Ceej gets some fatigue and either needs to sit or go back to the bullpen. I think the possibility exists that Feliz could move to the rotation and Ceej to the bullpen at the same time, and we keep our assets producing at the major league level.

Of course it won’t work like that, but a boy can dream, no?

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 27, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

He gets stretched out in winter ball and ST ’11, if they decide to use him as a starter.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not just stretching out though

Its stretching out to be able to go 5+ innings but also working on his secondary stuff to be able to be a starter. Personally I think hes going to need 3/4 of a season working almost exclusively on his secondary stuff before hes a viable rotation candidate.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But you can’t send him down simply saying “he needs 8 starts to be ready to go 5+ innings”. Hes going to need to be able to show both stamina and control over an extended period of time. I would say once he is able to go those 5+ innings without issue he then needs at least three out of four starts in a row with above average command of his secondary stuff before hes called back up.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

But. . .

. . . I also hope the team knows better than either of us, and if they do something different, it’s for the best.

by philkid3 on Mar 27, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised that Jermaine Dye

still isn’t on a ML roster.

Did Crede get hurt? He’s a good defensive 3B and still is yet to sign.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Mar 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed on dye

i thought crede retired, didn’t he have a bad back?

by blueballlefty on Mar 27, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

I didn’t think you were capable of typing more then one word. :)

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by RangerMad on Mar 27, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Jarrod Washburn still out there?

Or did Seattle ever snap him up for pennies on the dollar?

You know that’s gonna happen eventually.

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by LSJ on Mar 27, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow - Jamie Moyer - didn't realize any of this ...
The 47-year-old lefthander all but guaranteed his spot as the fifth starter in the Phillies’ rotation with a dominating effort Friday night.
.
Facing a New York Yankees lineup filled with regulars except Jorge Posada and Nick Johnson, Moyer cruised. He allowed just two base runners over 62/3 innings and struck out six. He walked none. The Phillies won, 3-0.
.
Moyer retired the final 15 batters he faced.
Moyer turned 47 last fall. There have been exactly three men in major league history who started a game after turning 47.
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Phil Niekro, a knuckleballer, started 32 games in 1987, when he was 47 (and he started 26 more the next season). Jack Quinn, a spitballer, started one game in 1931, when he was 47. Satchel Paige, a Methuselah, started one game in 1965, when he was 58.
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And that’s it, friends: 60 starts, with one knuckleball pitcher accounting for 58 of them.

by shroomer on Mar 27, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Cool

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy cow

I had no idea he was so old and still going… Julio Franco style

by BuckyB on Mar 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I so wanted Julio

to keep hitting until 50. Rootin’ for Moyer.

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Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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by t ball on Mar 27, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's Back!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How's your dad doing?

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.

by t ball on Mar 27, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I guess

Trying to get him in there sooner than he wants, but he’s stubborn like that. Thanks.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Malaysia

visiting the inlaws.

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.

by t ball on Mar 27, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was your trip?

See any sites? Take any good pics you want to share? Did you shoot a tiger or elephant or anything fun like that?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, no shooting

a lot of sweating (heat index is usually 110-115 there), eating and family stuff, a very fun trip. I need sleep.

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.

by t ball on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

EG twit:
GM Jon Daniels: Feldman nod is reward for good performance this spring, but also honors homegrown talent. Agreed.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

I would keep the home grown talent thing to myself, seeing as it is already so hard for us to get free agent pitchers to come in here

by blueballlefty on Mar 27, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

At first that annoyed me

because who cares where your best pitcher came from.

but then I realized that it amounts to JD tooting his own horn – a pitcher WE developed is our #1 this year! haha.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Mar 27, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't think so
“We had two guys who very easily could have gotten that nod,” Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said after manager Ron Washington made the announcement. “Ron felt it was very close, but Scott’s earned the honor. He is our own guy. It’s a nice honor that Ron gave him going forward.”

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this is supposedly true

why is the schedule all fouled up 9 days before the season starts?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 27, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

If it was only Feldman and Harden flipping spots thats understandable

But the fact that 80% of the rotation is going to have to alter their routine in these last couple weeks kinda upsets me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the decission was completely his?

I agree it is odd, but this had to be a group thing between Wash, JD, & Nolan.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 28, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Daniels just seemed to go out of his way

to attribute the decision to Washington. I suspect that management deferred to Washington (and maybe Maddux to a degree) on this.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 28, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 28, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

More from EG:
To get Feldman on track for the Opening Day start, the Rangers will need to tweak their preparation some. Feldman will start, as scheduled on Sunday, and throw 80-90 pitches. He will then throw live batting practice on Thursday before the Rangers break camp that afternoon.

Sinky

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

OT: Question about journalistic protocol......

First, let me admit- when Wash speaks, I stop everything to listen. Because he is smart and a great baseball mind? Hell no. I think his players seem to like him and they play hard for him, but other than that he’s pretty useless.

But the way he aborts the English language is a never-ending source of amusement for me. I even listen to his terrible shows with Norm whenever possible. It cracks me up.

Having said all of that, I wonder- is it standard protocol for a writer to clean up grammatical errors when using a direct quote from a subject within an article?

Here is a Ron Washington quote from the Andro post that AJM linked:

“You have to give C.J. all the credit in the world,” he said. “He went out there and took the bull by the horns. He showed he’s capable of going through a lineup and putting the ball in play and doing everything he can to be a quality starter. He wants to be accountable. He wants to be a leader. He did everything he has to do to make this happen.”

I’ve heard Warsh speaking a thousand times. He has NEVER spoken that many words without a few bastardizations of the language. Wash would really say “He did everythin’ he have to do to make this happen” or “He showed he capable of goin’ through a lineup” or something like that.

So, in my opinion, Andro HAD to have cleaned up a few words in that quote. Is that a common way of doing things for all writers?

I took a couple of journalism classes in high school, but I can’t recall if we covered this topic. Maybe it’s only interesting to me. Probably so.

by Hard8 on Mar 27, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I've had this same discussion with friends the last couple of years

with the DMN articles. I guess you can only use (sic) so much.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 27, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

It doesn’t bother me that they do, I just find it interesting that direct quotes aren’t always direct quotes.

by Hard8 on Mar 27, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And murderers get the obligatory 'Mr.' on the front page.

It would seem funny in the sports section. “Mr. Feliz struck out the side in the ninth to preserve the victory for Mr. Washington’s squad.”

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 27, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I recall noticing that back when I was younger

Perhaps maybe when the DMN would run a Cowboys-related story on the front page of the entire paper back in the Jerry-Jimmy days. The “Mr. Jones” and “Mr. Johnson” references were jarring.

by Hard8 on Mar 27, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's illogical. . .

. . . but part of Feliz in the bullpen makes me upset just because I know all the BS the media and other fans will spew about how that’s where his future is and what not.

by philkid3 on Mar 27, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

No Harden on Opening Day?

Shit.

No disrespect to Scooter, but I was sure looking forward to seeing Harden in his first official Rangers game.

"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball

by Athos on Mar 27, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too...

and no Kins either probably.

And Butler beat K-State? Wow.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Mar 27, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

But I admittedly don’t really care, because we usually lose on opening day anyway.

Rather loose a Feldman start to the bad opening day mojo than a Harden start.

Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans

by LSJ on Mar 27, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just think what a downer

the 5th would have been if Harden would have gotten shelled by a team like the Blue Jays. Going into camp I was concerned that they would do this and was expecting to be quite annoyed when they did. But, honestly, I’m not sure my expectations for Feldman on opening day aren’t a bit higher anyway, and I won’t be quite as depressed for 52 hours if he stinks up the joint as if Harden had. It is going to be no fun watching a complete spare at second base, though.

by Brett Perryman on Mar 27, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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