Where should the Rangers' home stadium be located?
Would you like to see the Rangers remain at TBIA?
If so, for how long?
If not, where in the Metroplex would you like to see them build a new stadium?
Please explain some of the reasons for your choice.
(Let's say that the current Rangers' TBIA lease with the City of Arlington could be ended at an expense that would limit payroll by $10M for the first 3 years in any new stadium.)
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Uranus is not an option
But that’s my vote.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Mar 7, 2010 2:20 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
gawd Rodney.... you're from Planet Nails....
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
I see what you did there

Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................
by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Mar 7, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
At my house
But I have to say it’s a bit of a bandbox.
by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 7, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions
This is pointless
Because there is no way the Rangers are going anywhere for at least 15 more years
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Seriously? Where should they move
in 15 years?
by Brett Perryman on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 AM CST up reply actions
Waxhachie
It’s just down the road from me which is cool, but they also have one of the best mexican food restaurants around in Campuzano’s. You should try their fajitas!! Also, from 6 to 9 during the week it’s 3 dollar margaritas. The high school has one of the best football teams in the state, and their marching band is swell. The Rangers should locate their stadium right off of highway 77 and 287 behind the Holiday Inn next to Target. Speaking of Target, man do they have low prices! The proximity to Target would make for some great pregame shopping! Well there are many more reasons the Rangers should move to Waxahachie but I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Did I mention they have a Waffle House?
Go Rangers!
"We pitched, we caught the ball, we ran the bases, we had good days where we out-fundamentalized the other team." - Ronald Washington
What?
Campuzano’s has the best Mexican food, and your opinion of that is based on how good their fajitas are?
Hipsters, Flipsters, and Finger Poppin Daddies! Knock me your lobes.
Sarcasm
Their food is atrocious.
"We pitched, we caught the ball, we ran the bases, we had good days where we out-fundamentalized the other team." - Ronald Washington
by Pocket Ninja on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
That Campuzano's is absolutely terrible.
I knew this had to be a joke.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 8, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
OT - Dirk's last 10 games
39.8 mpg, 28.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.9 apg, 68-70 FT’s, .500 FG%, .375 3P FG%, 1.3 TO/g
Strong, to quite strong
Check this 8 minutes of guitar masturb adulation
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Sound ain't right
Can hardly hear him most of the time.
The video that’s linked from there, though…Voodoo Child from a BBC TV show is greatness. Hadn’t seen that before.
by Black Francis on Mar 7, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Email me, after the 9th
I could send you a song or two that blow that away. Just trying to play by the rules here…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Did you see his bio on tv tonight?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
No, dangit
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
this is dumb
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Mar 7, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
How about
Dublin, Texas. The stadium could sell Dr. Pepper made with pure cane sugar.
how about
medellin columbia. the stadium could sell crack made with real cocaine
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Mar 8, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Glasgow
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Worse thread starter
Ranger100 or Ben Rebstock
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Some of Rebstock's links where at least useful
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
by LSJ on Mar 7, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
The Jamey Newberg post was the one that did it for me
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'm going to have to go with Ranger100.
But only because I’ve never seen Ben Rebstock’s work.
Ready for some baseball.
Check da fanshots
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
by LSJ on Mar 7, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Digital content manager of FSSW posting here huh?
Well that’s kinda cool, I guess. A little overzealous with the Fanshots, though. Some pretty useless shit there. Still gotta give it to Ranger100 though. The Rangers aren’t going anywhere for a while, so the people who are crying that the ballpark needs to be in downtown Dallas just need to get over it already. It’s a useless argument.
Ready for some baseball.
at least they were fanshots
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Yeah, Rebstock is just a kinslerhomer light
Ranger100 has some internet disease to him
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Anywhere I don't have to spend $30 on cab rides each way
And no, I’m not going to stay in Arlington.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
This is a fascinating topic. Why can't any of you other guys think of things like this?
Thank god for Rangers100. Although, I’m sure I didn’t cite enough evidence to support my opinion. Maybe he’ll tell me what I’m doing wrong.
Geez. We really could've used a couple of GDTs to keep topics like this from coming up.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Ever heard of a city called Ft. Worth?
Or Arlington? Lot of people living in those two cities, more in those cities than any city on the East side of the metroplex other than Dallas.
Ready for some baseball.
I am.
Arlington is a terrible location for the Rangers, but Ft. Worth probably wouldn’t be any better.
I was about to say.
Really though I don’t see what’s so terrible about Arlington. It’s pretty much the center of the Metroplex. It’s a little far for people in North Dallas I guess, but I live in Joshua so I really don’t have any sympathy for those people.
Ready for some baseball.
At 5-6pm on any given weekday,
there are probably 10 times as many people in the square mile surrounding downtown Dallas than that surrounding the current site of the Ballpark. Far more affluence and corporate customers as well.
Rangers revenues would be significantly higher in Dallas. Allowing for higher payrolls.
Well, the people that are going to go to the ballpark are going to go
Regardless of where they put it. I live in Joshua and I made it out to 16 Rangers games or so last year, 2 Cowboys games, and I’ve been to probably 5 or so Mavs games. The people that are going to bitch about going to games are always going to find something to bitch about. You could build the ballpark next door to their house and they would find a reason not to go.
Ready for some baseball.
The people willing to drive 20-30 minutes to Arlington currently
will go wherever it is, yes.
But the added value in being a high-traffic area comes from the casual fans making a lot more games. Office groups that can just walk over any evening after work.
There is a reason most of the new stadiums are built very close to the central business districts and not out in the sticks.
It's all relative.
Not a big deal to those of us who are die-hard fans.
But a huge difference in that and a several hundred yard walk (or several minute light rail ride), after work, for several hundred thousand other people.
Several hundred thousand?
http://www.downtowndallas.org/documents/downtownDallasFACTSHEET.pdf
135,000 people work in downtown Dallas. That’s not several hundred thousand.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
That's just the CBD.
Throw in areas just a few minutes north and you’re closer to a few hundred thousand.
Even 135,000 nearby would be a huge improvement over the current location though.
I don't think so.
135,000 is really not much in comparison to its current location near Southlake, Grapevine, Fort Worth, etc.
Plus, I think you’re going to see larger employers moving into outlying areas more and more, making Central Dallas location more of a handicap in the future.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Southlake, Grapevine and Ft. Worth?
That’s not exactly walking distance.
Which is what we were talking about.
And you claim...
that a Dallas stadium would have 135k or “several hundred thousand” in walking distance?
It would be a lot cheaper just to build a rail spur down to the TBIA and Jerryworld complex and you wouldn’t lose loyaltly from the westside of the metroplex.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I said
“walking distance or a short train/bus ride.”
And yes, that is correct.
And what the Rangers would gain in moving to Dallas would more than make up what they lose from “the westside of the metroplex.” That’s just a simple demographics calculation.
Well, unfortunately for you they're not moving to Dallas anytime soon.
So it looks like you’re just going to have to rough it and make the 20 minute haul to the sticks.
Ready for some baseball.
Yep.
Unfortunately for me and people who want to see the Rangers have more money to spend on players.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Here’s some data. Quit being stupid:
http://www.nctcog.org/ris/demographics/population/2009PopEstimates.pdf
Dallas county projected growth, 9%. Tarrant County, 26%.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Thank you, I was trying to find this information.
The Western part of the Metroplex is developing at a huge rate. I live out here, I know. Arlington is pretty centrally located between everything. According to that data, between just Johnson, Parker, and Tarrant counties that is over 2,000,000 people. Yes, between Dallas and Collin, there’s about double that, but still. There are over 2,000,000 people just to the west of Dallas. They need to stay in the middle of the population and try to cater to everyone in the area as well as they can.
Ready for some baseball.
light rail will still be in place
There’s so much cheap tower space in Dallas I can see occupancy ticking up after a recovery, but even if it doesn’t there’s a lot of people live around downtown. Either way the rail makes downtown Dallas accessible even from Fort Worth with the TRE. Location wouldn’t be a handicap, I don’t think.
I think they’d have drawn a lot more fans if they could have built the stadium in Dallas. Again, not saying they should move now.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
Arlington isn't exactly out in the sticks.
Again. The people that want to bitch about making the short trip to Arlington would find something to complain about if you built the ballpark a mile from their house. Who cares about the casual fan that wants to stroll over to the ballpark, eat a hotdog, and watch 3 innings of baseball just because it’s convenient and it’s “something to do”. They’ll get bored of it after about 3 games anyway and find something else to do. There’s actually baseball fans out there, cater to them.
Ready for some baseball.
It's out in the sticks.
And the only extent to which I care about the casual fan you describe is because his dollars, multiplied several thousand times over every night for 81 games each season, bring higher payrolls, better players, and a greater likelihood of the Rangers winning baseball games.
Well, they're not moving so who cares.
And Arlington isn’t out in the sticks.
Ready for some baseball.
Rangers100...
is a cosmopolitan Dallasite, txhc, you shit-kicking rube. When you have an imaginary MBA that you got 10 years ago, you can talk, but not until then.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Yes I know.
There is no arguing with these people. I feel dumb for even trying.
Ready for some baseball.
Well, there is arguing.
Just not winning for you. At least not on a straight economics argument. That’s just not much of a debate, through no fault of your own. The facts just simply don’t support what you want to be the case.
Maybe you should try some other angle. Like being loyal to the Little Man and not selling out to Big Corporations and “cosmopolitan Dallasites” and what not. Such mindless populism is all the rage these days anyway.
Your argument about...
the money being in Dallas would make some sense if you were talking about where to locate a Hummer or yacht dealership. However, a sports stadium does not sell large ticket items, they sell lots and lots of small-ticket items. So you want to be as geographically close to as large a population as possible.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Which is exactly why
basically every other baseball team that has built a ballpark in the last 2 decades has built it next to a central business district (or very highly populated area).
Every team that has built a park
has done so wherever they get the most money kicked in for it. Since a lot of cities were on the downtown revitalization bandwagon in the last two decades, ballpark developments got some support. Like I said, that time has passed.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Right.
That time has passed so now parks will only be built in suburbs 20-30 minutes from central business districts.
That makes sense.
No, they will be built
wherever owners get the most municipal/county, or whatever money kicked in. Arlington has done this, and that’s why they have the Rangers and Cowboys. Dallas refused, and that’s why the park went to Arlington instead. Duh.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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by t ball on Mar 7, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Imaginary MBA?
please explain. Is this something that he alluded to that I missed?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
I suspect...
that Rangers100 is a former poster that claimed he was getting his MBA in Ithaca. He claimed just recently that he has had his MBA for 10 years. I’m being skeptical.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
ahh, gotcha
Ithaca huh? Maybe he went to school with Tom Green from road trip
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Great little town
did my undergrad at Ithaca College.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
really?
major?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Trumpet
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
brett gardner
also is a former trumpet player, IIRC.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
High school savings
I guess it was safe to reallocate all that condom money, then, wasn’t it?
:)
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Ithaca
Have you read any of the great William Kennedy’s books?
If not, i emphatically recommend.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 8, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I have not
Aren’t his books set in Albany? Does he have some set in Ithaca?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
I only read books set in
Burleson or Cleburne, Texas.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, I get those 2 places confused
His Albany triology is a great one. Highly recommended.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Mar 9, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Arlington has over 400k people, and is within 20 miles in every direction of about 6 million more.
What definition of “the sticks” are we using here?
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 8, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Arlington out in the sticks?
Where are you from? Fucking hong kong?
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I'm actually from, and live in South Dallas.
I am just not a pompous asshole like you.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Mar 7, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, very different.
Your definition and the right one.
by brettgardner on Mar 7, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Except for downtown Dallas, Arlington roughly equals just about anywhere in Dallas outside of Preston Hollow or the Park Cities
And if you’re talking about the people living there, if they want to go to a baseball game they’ll go wherever it is.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 8, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I grew up in Cleburne and Burleson
What a fucking horrible experience that was. If the Rangers played ball downtown, though, it would be easy for you. US67.
by Black Francis on Mar 7, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I just take 30 when I go to Dallas, usually.
Too many traffic lights/speed limit changes on 67 until you get past Venus pretty much. I’m used to everything being out of the way, I’m going to have to drive no matter what so I just stick to the main freeways. I drive a Sentra so it’s not so horrible on gas (though it could be a hell of a lot better, a tank of gas lasted me a month almost when I was living in Dallas), but it still sucks having to drive at least 30 minutes anytime I want to go anywhere though.
Ready for some baseball.
Any particular reason, or is it just the 'burns?
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Cleburne
has to be my least favorite place in the Metroplex. I have kind of a soft spot for Burleson and Joshua, even though Burleson is a mess now with all the growth and without the infrastructure to support it.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 8, 2010 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
Any particular reason why ?
I spent the first 18 years of my life there and was curious as to why you feel that way? Not that Cleburne is the greatest place on earth, just curious.
I'm not that much older
…but I remember when the Santa Fe rail yard was still going strong. Back then it was a nice town. Has gone steadily downhill ever since. My grandmother still lives there so I still visit. Was there Saturday as a matter of fact. Soon she’s going to be living with my mother in another town so I may never even see Cleburne again. If they ever get that new tollway finished I think it may revitalize it a bit.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I've been hearing about a tollway down this way for years.
I’ve seen no evidence that it’s actually going to happen. And yes, Cleburne is a Hellhole. I had to go there earlier today, and I was quickly reminded of why I avoid that place like the plague.
Ready for some baseball.
Funny
how someone that lives in trailer park Joshua thinks Cleburne is a hell hole. To sophisticated for you? Is Joshua still a town? Thought Cleburne and Burleson had pretty much squeezed Joshua out of existence. Sorry I’m I guess I took a little offense to my hometown being called a hell hole.
This is all very interesting to me
since I live in Burleson and work in Cleburne.
Has anybody seen that show on MTV that’s about the girl from Burleson? People around here are pretty pissed about the portrayal of the city as a “hick town”
meta-signature
having grown up there
I agree that it definitely is.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
I grew up in a hick town (Burkburnett). Compared to Cleburne it’s nothing.
I’ve been in Burleson less than a year, but to me it’s just a cookie-cutter suburb with chain restaurants, big box retailers, an inferiority complex, and not much else.
meta-signature
Well a long time ago
…it was a hick town. It has grown a lot since then but being on the outskirts like it is I’m sure it retains some of that Johnson County flavor.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you're not going to offend me by saying Joshua sucks.
I agree. But ROFL at saying I’m trailer trash. I live in a 3500 sq. foot house on 40 acres of land. I have a tennis court, a 3 bay shop, 2 ponds, a brick entry way with an electronic gate and a wall of evergreen trees surrounding the property so you can’t see the house from the road. Yes Cleburne is a royal shithole. I guess it’s alright if you’re looking for a pawn shop or a used car dealership. I wouldn’t live there if you paid me. I hate Joshua too. Burleson isn’t too bad, just crowded as hell. My main problem about living out here is that it’s far away from everything and you have to drive a million miles to get anywhere. The tollway that they’ve proposed would help cut down on drive time, but still waiting.
Ready for some baseball.
Plus I've lived out here for nearly 20 years.
I am more than entitled to an opinion on the subject, I think.
Ready for some baseball.
Tollway
I’ve been hearing about the tollway my entire life. I did hear that it finally got approved. I guess your grandma lives on the east side or something. It’s really the only part of town that has gone downhill since the railroad slowed down. Their have been some real improvements to Cleburne recently. Especially downtown. They also just got done with the golf course reconstruction. You should probably venture past the tracks.
I have clients spread all over town
There are still nice parts, but seriously, most of the city isn’t what it used to be. That definitely includes downtown. I spent roughly half my youth in Cleburne and know a little about it.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Dude.
Arlington is a way better place than Mckinney. Arlington splits up the two big cites there is nothing wrong with Arlington. Mckinney is in fucking Collin County. good lord.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I like it in Arlington
Just about 10-15 minutes from the Tarrant/Dallas County line. It’s fine.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Really
The only problem is the continuous construction on eastbound 30. But traffic already sucks after the game, so it’s not that big a deal.
It will be a lot better once they're finished will all that shit though.
The freeways anyway. Now all the streets around the ballpark and Cowboys stadium, yeah they need to do something about that. I’ve found a pretty good way out of there though where you don’t have to deal with Randol Mill, Collins, Six Flags Drive and all the ones people normally take. Depending on where I’m going, I go a little farther south to Division, and sometimes even Pioneer Parkway if it’s still really backed up when I get to Division, then I either go east to 360 or West to 820 (sometimes not that far west though, just depends where I’m going like I said.)
Ready for some baseball.
Construction Workers
have made careers out of rebuilding the roads coming into and going out of Arlington. It’s never going to be finished.
That you have to drive
instead of being able to take a quick bus/train ride or even walk from your office after work, as fans in places with parks in the central business districts can do, is the biggest problem.
In the next major economic upturn, I think you’ll start to see more serious discussion about buying out the remaining TBIA lease and moving the Rangers to Dallas. There is a major possibility for an owner to unlock value in the club by making such a move.
FuckBrettGarner wins!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
+ 1 doesn't he always?
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Brettgardner takes 20 internet points from Rangers100
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Huh?
There is a major possibility for an owner to unlock value in the club by making such a move.
I doubt it. There is major value in staying in a city that’s willing to throw tax incentives at you — like Arlington. The days of big cities giving teams money are over. What owner would build a brand new park in Dallas if he has to pay for it? They’ll refurbish the current park instead.
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What owner would build a brand new park in Dallas if he has to pay for it?
One that can finance it pretty cheaply in better economic times.
How have all these other teams managed to build parks near major business districts?
You wouldn't be able to finance it cheaply in better economic times.
Interest rates are only going to go up from here.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
With tax incentives
and city money. Do you really think an owner is going to just finance a baseball park? And you’re the guy who asks all these questions about debt leveraging?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
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Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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I don't know that interest rates are going to go up?
Let’s wager then. You’re obviously an idiot, and I’ll take an idiot’s money, for damn sure.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Actually
if you were to bet your life savings on anything you could do a lot worse than betting on interest rates going up. This is very rough because there are other variables but generally interest rates rise in good economic times and fall in poor economic times.
Ben knows that, i know that, and i would bet that 90% (perhaps more) of posters here know that.
Name your amount and i will take it
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by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Umm...
you’re claiming to have an MBA and yet you don’t think interest rates are going to go up?
Something doesn’t add up here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Excellent pt about him being an MBA (highly unlikely)
I mean right now the Fed Funds Rate is .25%. Im about done with my MBA and i was definitely taught about interest rates in both my finance class and econ class.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Where are you going to get your MBA?
I’m doing mine at some small little school called Northwood in Cedar Hill… I’m about half way done.
I thought about getting my MBA at K-Mart like Rangers100, but unfortunately they closed their campuses in Texas many years ago.
by macromorgan on Mar 8, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You live in la la land.
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haha
In the next major economic upturn, I think you’ll start to see more serious discussion about buying out the remaining TBIA lease and moving the Rangers to Dallas.
That’s just silly. You’re being silly.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
This argument
…is tired but is one I always seem to get into.
Shouldn’t move them now, but it was a mistake to put them all the way out in Arlington. Those people from Fort Worth who think their metro area anywhere near as big as Dallas’ must never leave Tarrant Co.
The statistical center of population for the whole Dallas Fort Worth Metro is like a mile away from Las Colinas and moves a few feet to the East every year.
North Dallas, South Denton, Collin, and Rockwall Counties are more wealthy than Tarrant County. Those areas will have rail transit within a few years…some already have it. Downtown Dallas is close to Deep Ellum and Lower Greenville so it is a destination place. There is nightlife, something unheard of in Arlington.
It was a mistake to build it where they built it, but there’s nothing to be done about it now. In fifteen years or so when the park is outdated I’m sure they will consider other locations but it’s not really worth discussing right now.
by Black Francis on Mar 7, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Although I would replace “shouldn’t” with “can’t (given the current economic environment.”
Next economic upswing in a few years and the question of moving to a new park in Dallas should and likely will be getting more serious discussion. The remaining lease payments the Rangers will owe (barring any future extensions between now and then) will be around $20M. That’s nothing that can’t be easily covered to make a move to a brand new stadium near downtown Dallas that would greatly up the value and revenues of the club.
Yeah, 'cause they have such a winning record with
The Cowboys, the Rangers, and FC Dallas? Oh, how is that Trinity Abortion project going? I live in Dallas, but honestly, they suck at pretty much everything.
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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The attendance question...
the Cowboys are getting 0 attendance now for games in the city of Dallas.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Gawd you are a fucking moron.
You were talking about building in Dallas. I retorted about their glowing track record. What the fuck in your comment, or my reply, had anything to do with attendance?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Rodney follows with a vicious cross.
We’ll see if Rangers100 continues to flail wildly, quits the fight altogether, or poops himself.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 8, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
actually is going as planned
I was out at the Trinity river levee run this weekend and they havent changed any projections at all. the dates are all the same and they have started making some progress. However, it is still quite a ways out.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Is this not the same thing?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
You're forgetting
who pays for the stadium? The lease is peanuts, it’s the cost of a new stadium the team doesn’t have, and what city is going to do that?
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I wonder if Frisco could pony up that kind of cash
I’m guessing no, but that’s a totally uneducated guess for you
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Some Frisco residents are balking
at a few million for the arts center, I don’t see them considering MUCH larger sums necessary for a ballpark.
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Especially when they already have a ball team
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On the Moon.
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
So very OT: My Dad needs open heart surgery
I really don’t know how to deal. The bane of my existence as a yout’, the bringer of the ass-whipping, and my best friend going through some serious life grief…I am so very worried.
Apologize, carry on then. Sorry for bringing this here…have a great evening!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
sorry to hear that Rodney..
I hope it all works out, I’m sure it will, my mom had 2 have double bypasses about ten years ago, she’s doing just fine after some serious diet modifications and exercise.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
They've gotten pretty good at that sort of thing lately.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Sorry Rodney
Know someone who is going through something similar. Not as extreme, but yeah. All the best.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Good luck to him.
But building on what Ben said, doctors really kick ass in that area.
by brettgardner on Mar 7, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Very much thanks, to all
He’s already had a bypass, this is a valve replacement. I am probably being vain here, so thank you so much for your input and consideration. Many thanks, truly.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Hope all goes well
is it soon? I lost my mom to heart disease/stroke complications so I understand your fears. She had a triple bypass when she was just 39, back in ‘77. She didn’t take good care of herself before or after that, so I’m betting that your dad can and will do better. I’m betting he’ll be recovering well soon.
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Thanks to all
LSB amazes me sometimes…great group of folks we have here.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Best of luck to him man
I dated a girl who was just finished up her residency as a heart surgeon and was getting going so to speak. The stuff she told me about how advanced they are now is staggering.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 7, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Wow. Sorry to hear that Rodney.
Don’t know what to say except stay strong and good luck to your Dad.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Tell him to take care of himself.
A year ago in October my father had a heart attack and very shortly after that a quadruple bypass. He didn’t take care of himself and actually died two weeks ago. Not trying to worry you. My dad really, really didn’t take care of himself. If yours does I’m sure he’ll be fine.
Good luck.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
sorry man
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 8, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry to hear
it’s painful to see someone not care about themself like that.
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Dustin
So sorry to hear about that. I understand what you are going through.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Sorry to hear about your loss Dustin.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
warmest regards sir.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
That's terrible
Sorry for your loss.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Good luck to the both of you
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
A few pts
1) They arent moving anytime soon, period.
2) DART/TRE will have a stop right by the stadium very soon.
3) Let’s see if winning increases the attendance before we have this discussion. I bet it does
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Concur on all points.
And I really hope you’re right about #2. 1 and 3 are fact.
Ready for some baseball.
Last plan I saw
Had the arlington rail line sharing a station with Cowfucker Stadium, and guess which one it’s much closer to?
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
uh
Meant to say the rail line heading out to Arlington would only have one stop for the Rangers and the Cowfuckers and it’s a lot closer to the cowfuckers and a hell of a summertime walk to the rangers.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Where did you see the last plan at?
Granted it could be 10 years before a rail line is built, and by that time the team could actually start talking about a new stadium, but I’d consider season tickets if I could hop on a train downtown and go straight to the game.
Driving to the game from downtown Dallas is going to be a beating in a couple of years when they start building the new I-30 bridge over Trinity.
Rail service in place for '11 SB
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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
x
3) Let’s see if winning increases the attendance before we have this discussion. I bet it does
Even if it does, that doesn’t mean the attendance wouldn’t be higher in Dallas given the same circumstances.
I mean, expenses/financing/etc. questions aside, do people here really think the Rangers draw higher attendance and revenues in Arlington than they would near downtown Dallas? Seriously?
Still waiting
for you to say why you think Dallas will pony up money to get a ballpark built. The owners are NOT going to pay for it all themselves.
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That's a fair question and a separate discussion.
Financing aside though, you at least concede the Rangers would sell more tickets on average, at a higher average ticket price, near downtown Dallas than in the current location, right?
No, I do not concede that
It’s possible, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. And you must understand, that for them to build a new ballpark in Dallas (which is probably something that is 15-20 years away at best anyway) it must be ENOUGH of an increase to warrant the expense vs. just refurbishing the current ballpark and target marketing, building a winning ballclub and all the other ways to increase revenues.
Building a ballpark is not something we need to waste time thinking about until it might actually happen. So many things about the world will change between now and the time that becomes a serious topic that it’s pretty useless to speculate about how many people live/work in Dallas right now.
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If that's your opinion
than I feel even better about mine.
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Do you?
Do you have some sort of studies that have been commissioned that show how attendance and ticket prices would be higher in Dallas which in turn would provide the team with more revenue? Or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?
by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 8, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Financing aside?
I think you miss the central point.
Free Ballpark plus lower prices/attendence was likely better than paying for a ballpark and getting the higher revenues.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Sure. For the sake of the question.
That he can’t even concede that the Rangers would draw more people at a higher ticket price in central Dallas than in Arlington pretty much gives away the fact there is something else going on with him. Would probably mean a longer drive to games for him or something.
16 of 17 MLB parks built since TBIA have been built in or next to the nearest major CBD.
Go figure, huh?
A park in Dallas would be much closer for me
and all parks are built where the owners get the most money for them, not where ever the nearest CBD is.
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Long term I think it was a mistake
I think if they really pulled out the stops they could’ve gotten Dallas to kick in a bunch of money. Maybe not like Arlington did, but they could have gotten a lot out of them. If I’m remembering right it seems like they gave up on Dallas pretty quickly.
Long run I think it would be a lot easier to create excitement about the Rangers if they were downtown. Corporate seats would sell a little better, probably. They’d lose a lot of parking revenue because of the available mass transit, I guess. But I still think it would be easier to build a bigger fan base with a better stadium location. Of course winning is the biggest thing, but they could win 95 games a year for five years and not sell out Arlington except on the weekends.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
16 of 17 MLB parks since TBIA in or adjacent to central business districts.
Not one Arlington supporter here that has yet tried to explain why that is.
What you don't understand
or seem to want to understand, is the question is completely moot since Dallas wouldn’t step up to provide the land or pay for the ballpark under mayor Ingrahm
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
It's every bit as relevent
of a hypothetical, as my hypothetical concerning being blown by Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
How many of those other markets
are made up of two relativley close major metropolitan areas?
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 9, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
x
Minneapolis/St. Paul
Seattle/Tacoma
Cincinnati/Dayton
San Francisco/San Jose
San Diego/Tijuana
Before TBIA, but modern era parks:
Toronto/Hamilton
Cleveland/Akron
Detroit/Ann Arbor
Minneapolis
is the only one of those even close to the same situation, and they’re much closer together.
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No way...
you mean San Diego and Tijuana or Cincinnati and Dayton don’t compare?
That’s ludicrous.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It's true.
They are closer together.
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For the same reason the Rangers can't play in Dallas
because Palo Alto is not going to give them several hundred million dollars, idiot.
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If there's no tax incentives / financing from the city...
that’s LESS money for players. Weren’t you just saying that moving to Dallas would result in MORE money for players? You’re retarded.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Seriously?
That’s what you’re going with? Dallas and Fort Worth are the 8th and 17th largest cities in the country. Arlington itself is larger than St. Paul, Tacoma, Cincinatti, Dayton, and I’m not even going to count Tijuana.
Do you understand what this means?
And San Francisco and San Jose are a lot further apart than Dallas and Fort Worth.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
This
from the guy that thinks Arlington is in the sticks.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Bottom line
DFW is the 4th largest metro in the US. We’re different from other parts of the country. It’s a no brainer to make the team centrally located to the area.
I’ll save you the trouble of looking it up. The three larger metro areas in the US are New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago. Do you know what is unique about those baseball markets? I’ll give you minute…
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Serious question:
Why did a team in the “4th largest metro” have the 24th lowest fan cost index (in 2009)?
And before you say “poor performance”, the Angels were 29th.
Fan Cost Index
If you’re not the Cowboys, the folks of the metroplex are not interested until you start winning. Historically, the Rangers have not been winners, and people are not going flock to the ballpark to sweat their asses off and watch losing baseball. Make it cheap, people might show up. And don’t underestimate the heat factor.
You chose to ignore my question so I’ll help you out. The three larger metro areas all have 2 teams. What does this mean? DFW is the largest metro area with one team. Put the ballpark in the middle to attract as many as possible. It’s really that simple.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure what your point is.
With one team its FCI should be that much higher. And you apparently blew right past the fact the Angels have one of the lowest FCIs despite being very successful.
I get why Ft. Worth/Arlington people are emotionally tied to the park being in the sticks. But emotion doesn’t make for very good arguments.
You're obviously an idot then
The FCI is low to entice people to say, “screw the heat, let’s go watch some losing baseball!” I’m not sure what having 1 team has to do with that.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 12, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Have you ever driven...
from SF to SJ?
I don’t care what Google maps tells you. 55 minutes isn’t possible.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I agree, I did it last week, it took longer
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing,
that’s pretty absurd.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I hope...
this clown continues to argue with Ben. You see, I know Ben will actually ban someone if they are stupid enough and get on his nerves. We have seen that Rangers100 definitely has the stupid part down. Now I’m just hoping he gets on Ben’s nerves enough for him to show this moron the door.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I've been enjoying
Watching Ben destroy his retarded arguments, though.
by brettgardner on Mar 8, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Watching you toy with him was fun for awhile
The whole thing is just stale at this point though.
Discussions on Ranger finances have replaced political discussions as the most boring, pointless shit on LSB right now.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
discussing rangers finances with this jackass is probably pointless
but political discussions don’t have to be. but there are other reasons not to have those on LSB
Do you think
it says anything about your intelligence level that you need people with differing viewpoints than yours to be banned?
does it say anything about your intelligence level that you posted 3 terrible topics in one day and don't seem to realize you did so.
Pretty much summed that up in one sentence,
well done sir.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 8, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yes...
it certainly does. Although in my defense I don’t have an MBA or even a business degree. So you’ll have to excuse me.
Or I just don’t care for stupid people you troll boards and offer nothing to a conversation. Especially when they choose to solely talk about one topic and show how clueless they are on said topic.
Now please, tell me more about interest rates.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Moving the stadium
might be worth a hundred thousand or so fans because where ever you go you will gain some fans and lose others.
Being a consistent playoff team is probably worth closer to 3/4 of a million to a million extra fans.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Exactly
in the Mid 90’s the Rangers were pulling in just under 3M fans when they were in the playoff races.
If they’re winning, it’s not going to matter much where the stadium is.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Yep
The stadium sold out regularly when the team was a playoff contender.
And for all the “why didn’t they build the stadium in Dallas in the first place” crowd- Dallas does not give a shit about financing sporting events. It’s honestly a wonder they got the AAC built. They passed on the chance to get the Cowboys back- who seriously thinks they would make a real attempt to get the Rangers?
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Yep
Maybe City Council and the Mayor change their viewpoint 15 years from now, but talking about a stadium in Dallas now is just a complete waste of time. Teams will be placed with whichever city gives them the best sweetheart deal.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Not if
1) one city provides a better opportunity than anything any “city” can offer, and
2) the owner(s) have the team’s longer-term interests at stake.
Obviously #2 didn’t apply to GWB & Co. They were just in it for a quick buck.
The ticket prices were also a fraction of what they are now.
Assuming sellouts due to playoff runs, the average ticket price in Dallas would be significantly higher in Dallas than in Arlington. More people, more money near the stadium.
Again, this is why other teams haven’t built their parks in the sticks.
Of the 17 new MLB parks since TBIA opened
Every single one of them is closer to the nearest major CBD than is TBIA. And there really aren’t any that are even close to being as removed from one as TBIA is. Citi Field would probably be the next farthest from one, but it is in one of the most densely areas of the country.
Suburbs
We’re a little more suburb-ified than many other areas of the country, and, as far as business goes, downtown Dallas does not compare well to many other areas of the country. Thus the reason for the aforementioned suburbs.
It’s apples and oranges really. And I am one that loves a down town stadium.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 9, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Detroit is similar.
Built Pontiac Stadium out in the burbs to chase a dying downtown and growing suburbs.
Learned pretty quickly that was a bad idea and moved back to a downtown far worse off than that of Dallas after only 27 years. (Recent baseball stadium as well also not repeating the Silverdome’s suburban error.)
Which is why the Tigers' attendance instantly spiked after building Comerica.
Wait, what’s that? Despite increasing by 400,000 fans (to 2.44 million) in Comerica’s first year, Detroit’s attendance still only ranked 7th of 14th in the AL? And then languished for 5 straight years, ranging from ~1.37 million to 2.02 million, never good for higher than 9th in the AL? And then shot up to 2.56 million when the Tigers actually won more than 75 games ~ 95, in fact, with a World Series appearance to boot? And then rose to above 3 million for the next two years, and even stayed at 2.57 million even after a hugely disappointing 74-win season?
Was that too many questions at once?
I'm not sure you can use Detroit as a good example
That city will go down as the greatest urban disaster in American history.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 10, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Still, from 2006-2009, the Tigers were in the top 5 in AL attendance.
(3rd, 3rd, and 4th out of 14 in the last few years.)
Amazing what winning will do.
x
The gain in moving to Dallas would be several thousand people per game (at a somewhat higher average ticket price) more than in Arlington.
The contribution to attendance from playoff runs is a separate question.
This is Dumb
The ballpark doesn’t need to move. Jerry world seems to have no problem putting butts in the seats. The rangers are on the verge of putting a product out there that people will want to see. How much more central can the stadium be than Arlington? Win games, more people will come.
I do want to take issue with one thing that you said
Comparing the Cowboys attendance to the Rangers attendance is a terrible analogy
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Good point
comparing the cowboys and rangers is a very bad analogy. No where close to the same fan base and they only have 8 home games a year.
Basically, if the Rangers are a playoff team, people will come if they are in Arlington, Fort Worth, Dallas etc. I think it has less to do where they are and more to do what they are putting on the field.
Like everyone has said
this wont happen anytime soon. Also, like everyone has said as well (you incl.) winning does wonders for attendance. Look at the attendance numbers when the Rangers were winning in the mid 90s. This market will happily and ably support a winning baseball team
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Bad arguments.
1) The Cowboys play 8 games. The Rangers play 81.
2) Central to what?
Let’s say you are opening a retail store. There are two identical towns an hour apart with nothing in between each but fields. Do you believe it is smarter to put your store 30 minutes from each in the middle of the fields or in the heart of the commercial district of one of the towns?
I'm sorry
I didn’t know that there wasn’t anything between Dallas and Fort Worth.
Arlington is central to the 3 million people that live in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. If you move it to Dallas you are making it harder for the west metroplex.
Bad Argument? This entire thread is a bad argument.
Bad Argument? This entire thread is a bad argument.
You want the truth? You cant handle the truth!!
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this is stupid
arlington isn’t “the sticks” as you said. It’s actually the 50th most populated city in the NATION. It would be good for north dallas-ites if the ballpark was in downtown dallas, but what about all the people in Fort Worth an it’s suburbs? You can’t make everyone happy, so putting a stadium right in the middle of two big cities doesn’t seem like too bad a deal to me.
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by Jason Brynsvold on Mar 8, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
This horse is already glue.
Give it up.
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I love this topic
it should be discussed at least once a month. Same goes for whether the Rangers should go back to red uniforms or stick with blue.
exploding highfive
it's not that it's in arlington,
it’s that arlington is inaccessible from a lot of areas – but getting better.
being able to take the train to the mavs games is pretty cool (irving). arlington opting out of DART to give their DART money to the Cowboys was very shortsighted IMO. i had not heard that DART was somehow getting a rail stop in arlington, but, if so, that’s going to solve a lot of problems – if it somehow ties in communities to the north.
downtown people going to the game(s) – the HOV lane going west on I30 is super easy. anyone complaining about going to arlington from downtown dallas is pretty pathetic.
the extension of the GBT (now goes from plano to irving to I30 makes this drive MUCH easier. 360 is a complete punch in the nuts – especially if you are fighting your way out 114 for the pleasure of more traffic on 360. that’s a crappy drive from 4pm until 7pm.
defeatist pussy lives here
Yet even with all that
put a playoff franchise in Arlington, and we’ve seen almost 3 million a year turnout for games.
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That's a bad argument.
Yes, attendance is higher with a better team.
That says nothing about what the difference in attendance would be (not to mention what the average price of the tickets would be), given the same team, in each location.
why is this so important to you?
what will you get if people agree with your argument? This seems like a waste of time to me.
exploding highfive
Let's be honest about demographics for a second.
Yes there are more people in Dallas than in Arlington or Fort Worth, but based on the demographics of Dallas County, compared against the demographics of the people that generally attend professional baseball games, do you think that the people of Dallas County will really be coming out in the droves you seem to suggest?
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 8, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
We don't even take the HOV lane
and the drive from downtown to RBIA is pretty damn good via I-30, once you’re past Cockrell Hill.
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yep, no more than 20-25 minutes with a little traffic in between
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 8, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
This is Texas. Driving is what we do. I would drive from Midland to Austin all the time. That equates to three states worth of driving for other places.
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Speaking of things a decade and a half away...
I have a nephew who is almost three years old. He’s very big for his age (99th percentile in height and weight) and left handed. He can already throw a baseball like a mothafucka.
Where do you guys think I should tell him to sign when he’s eligible to be drafted?
Also, which sport should he play?
He lives in Houston, so the Astros/Texans are the hometown teams, but his father is a huge Rangers/Cowboys fan from way back.
I’m thinking about emailing JD about him, you can never get on these kids too early these days.
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I can't believe...
there’s been 213 comments now to a fanpost about one dude wanting the Rangers to be within walking distance of his office and the Texas Giant being where them filthy rednecks live.
If it’s just about location and accessibility, the A’s are a BART ride and a 2 minute walk away for like 7 million folks and they still draw only a million and a half folks a year. Granted, you’re practically visiting a dungeon with a baseball field in the middle, but that’s beside the point. It’s easy as hell to get to and still no one shows up, and why? Because the team has been uninspiring, broke, and wants to leave.
In 2003, at the height of The Big Three and Moneyball Mania, the team was pulling in 2.2 million fans, more than the AL average, and why? Because they were winners, stable, and were talking about bringing the fans a new Oakland-based stadium to rid themselves of The Black Hole.
As long as fans can get to the game, they’ll go if there’s a winner involved.
TL;DR:
It’s the winning, stupid.
by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 8, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions
Yep
There might be some small difference in attendance based on location, but that’s small beer compared to finding a locality that will eat the costs of the ballpark for you. If Fort Worth ponied up the money, it’d be there instead. Same with Dallas.
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Not saying the Rangers can't win in Arlington.
Just that they would have higher revenues, all other things equal, in Dallas. Just as Oakland has higher revenues now than it would with the same crappy team 20-30 minutes towards a much less populated area than where the stadium is now.
Do you really deny that?
You were a beating on Friday,
this is just beyond ridiculous now.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 8, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you think...
Bass Pro Shops picked the location they picked in Grapevine?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
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I can’t believe there’s been 213 comments now to a fanpost about one dude wanting the Rangers to be within walking distance of his office and the Texas Giant being where them filthy rednecks live.
280 now.
Not bad for a dead horse of a bad fan post, huh?
Well...
considering that half of them have been the regulars trying to beat the same point into you that you refuse to consider and the other half is you enjoying the sound of your own voice, so to speak, sure, why not?
If your modus operandi is to get people on this blog to bang their heads of logic against your wall of obtuseness, then bravo to you sir. Your wizardry is most impressive.
P.S. If we could get a DART line out to Oakland, CA, I’d certainly support a ballpark move to any bourgeois-approved location.
by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 10, 2010 3:45 AM CST up reply actions
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No, I’ve considered the points. They just aren’t very convincing.
As far as the responses go though, it is interesting that there have been nearly 200 votes and the breakdown is about 40/60 between Dallas area and Arlington/Ft. Worth area. Pretty even discussion and very different from the responses. Why do you think that is?
There is no way the Rangers will move even after fifteen years.
Time after time again, the City of Arlington has proven that when it comes to getting teams into the city, they’ll do whatever it takes. The Ballpark in Arlington, the giant cowboy’s steal turd, and places of the like thrive in Arlington because of tax breaks and citizen support. The only thing missing is public transportation; something the city council needs to not only look at, but support. DART needs to come at least to the Ballpark, and I’d argue through the city.
But rest assured, Arlington has always supported its teams and will continue to do so. Dallas couldn’t care less, and as stated before, the demographics wouldn’t support it.
On the mass transit topic
Wrote a paper on Arlington’s unwillingness to get into…
If you look at the voting records on the various propositions where mass transit was a topic — it is basically a wealth issue among the voters.
The poorer working class east side of the city (basically east of Cooper street) votes in favor of mass transit overwhelmingly. However, the number of voters on that side of the city is very very low.
In contrast, the richer white-collar west side of the city overwhelmingly votes against mass transit. The west side voters out number the east side voters almost 3-1.
Basically, I’m not sure that will ever change. The voters that control the decisions don’t want to pay for a service they’ll likely never use.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
EPA regs
I wouldn’t doubt we’ll see some serious change a couple of legislative sessions from now. I visualize them doing away with DART, the T, and whatever the Denton transit authority is called. They’ll create one big one and that actually makes sense because it’s a regional issue.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's the way Phoenix does it
and it works quite well. That’d be nice.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
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Let’s say for the sake of argument that Chuck Greenberg comes out and says that he wants to move to a brand new ballpark to Downtown Dallas. Where do you want to put the stadium? Is there room anywhere within reasonable walking distance of the downtown area for a stadium and a parking lot? Ever go to an Astros game? They don’t have a parking lot, so it costs at least $20 to park and you have to walk 3/4 of a mile if you don’t get there an hour and a half early.
Then there’s traffic. Have you ever been on 35E at 5:30 on a Friday? What about all the one-way streets in parts of downtown?
I know you didn’t think about these questions because YOU want to be able to step outside of your office and go to the game, but it’s not all about YOU. Most people will still drive to ballgames, especially in the Metroplex where everything is so spread out.
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An AAC sellout does not equal a baseball sellout
I don’t buy that it would make a difference.
I also wouldn’t say that it’s within walking distance of any major office buildings, either.
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There's some space
…south of I30 along S. Industrial and Cadiz. There’s also space where Reunion Arena used to be.
by Black Francis on Mar 8, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Reunion Arena could fit on the field at the the Ballpark
That area is nowhere near big enough for a ballpark, the new additional parking lots/garages (because a ballpark seats 50k and Reunion seated 20k at the most), and whatever else.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Sure a ballpark could fit there.
It would have to be designed to fit there. Can’t just build a giant square in a sea of parking lots like they did in Arlington, but who knows….maybe the place would have a little character.
by Black Francis on Mar 9, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
oh and I checked
The temple’s current footprint would fit on that site. There’s some room for parking and there’s existing parking for the convention center. Additionally there’s very easy access from the TRE as well as the red and blue lines at union station, convention center station.
by Black Francis on Mar 9, 2010 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
You agree with Texas_Dawg, Dustin.
It’s time to reevaluate your stance.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Whoever is "Texas_Dawg" is
he’s hardly alone in being OK with acknowledging the simple economics of the situation.
The Rangers aren’t moving anytime soon. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be better off in Dallas.
16 of 17 since TBIA. You have no answer for it.
Why is Bass Pro Shops...
in Grapevine instead of Downtown Dallas?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Also...
look at the list of 17 since TBIA was built, and tell me why, geographically and demographically, any of those (except Minnesota) should serve as a meaningful proxy for the Rangers’ situation?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Because Grapevine is much closer to more
people in their target demographic than is Downtown Dallas.
wait did you just "OUT" Rangers100 as the infamous Texas_Dawg?
Which has been my guess all along…
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Oh no way...
It makes so much sense now.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
He hasn't used the word "lockstep" yet.
That would be the ultimate proof.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
he's put lockstep, fwiw, and imho on ice for a while.....
at least I would if I was trying to not get BUSTED.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
I think that's who it is.
But it’s just a guess.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
You don't have fantastic IP logging powers?
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
16 of 17 MLB parks since TBIA have been in similar locations
in or next to central business districts.
The problem clearly isn’t as hard to solve as you think.
That's a wonderful point
But it’s still not relevant to the Rangers for another 15-20 years. We might as well be talking about who they should take with the first pick in the 2025 draft.
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Who would give me a better blowjob?
Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie?
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i would volunteer to judge this contest
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Mar 9, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Megan Fox says she's only ever slept with two guys, and one of them is Brian Austin Green.
There is almost no way to calculate how many guys Jolie has been with. I guarantee she wins in experience.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
On the other hand
didn’t Billy Bob Thornton once compare screwing Angelina Jolie to screwing the couch cushions?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
if I were a girl
I don’t think I could lubricate for Billy Bob, either.
by Black Francis on Mar 9, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
We're talking about BJs here, not screwing.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Your poll needs another option
Where’s the one that says “click this and the author will do everyone a favor and FUCK OFF?”
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Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
All you assholes are morons....Denton
FTW.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 8, 2010 10:05 PM CST reply actions
I go to Dallas to drink,
Ft Worth to eat and Arlington to watch baseball.
I wouldn’t change a thing.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
How about Bachman Lake?
We could drain the lake and build the stadium over that. The DART rail will be opening up there in December so that solves the problem of mass transit. But more importantly it’s less than 5 miles from my front door.
exploding highfive
heh I used to jog around that lake back in the Dallas days..
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Ah yes.
I was totally against you, but this unilluminating map was a real game-changer. I’m now firmly convinced that the stadium should be located in Argyle.
We have a new lightning rod
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Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
No, I think he's definitely on to something.
All of those poor people that live in West, South, and Southeast Dallas would be crazy Rangers fans. Exactly the type of demographic you would want to build a fanbase around.
I was in Renaissance Tower today, one side of which overlooks where Reunion used to be. If you could put a ballpark there, I admit that it would probably be pretty cool looking (it would have to be uniquely designed to fit the space), and it would be closer to me personally, but the drawbacks are numerous, as a multitude of posters have pointed out.
1. Dallas is never going to pony up the dough. Ever.
2. The construction would be tremendously expensive, as would be the land.
3. The amount of road work to be done around that area would make the work on 30 in Arlington look like a sandbox.
4. Did I already say that Dallas won’t pony up the dough?
5. You lose Tarrant County.
6. You’ve left a perfectly good stadium for to move 20 miles closer to a shitton of poor people in Dallas who won’t go to baseball games anyway.
And so on.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
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6. You’ve left a perfectly good stadium for to move 20 miles closer to a shitton of poor people in Dallas who won’t go to baseball games anyway.
And many multiples more wealthier people in the area on weekdays.
No coincidence at all that two of the lowest FCI numbers (Texas and Anaheim) are from two of the only MLB teams with parks in the burbs.
I guess it's not the suburbs
but Miller Park is not downtown. No one is going to walk there.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
That map...
…cannot be correct. The really dark areas are supposed to be wealthy, right? That would make sense…they cover Preston Hollow, the Park Cities, Uptown, and the really fancy part of N. Oak Cliff that’s just south of IH30. But there shouldn’t be any black along Buckner in East Dallas. And there shouldn’t be much of in S. Fort Worth inside the loop, especially East of I35W and on the West Side (at least not that close to the South Freeway). Haltom City and Garland are also inexplicable.
by Black Francis on Mar 10, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
It would also make sense...
to use a map like this if you were selling single large-ticket items, not millions of small-ticket ones.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I'm one of the only ones here on your side
I’m not on your side in a lot of ways. I think you have some seriously flawed logic and the idea to abandon the Temple at this time is absurd. What we have in common is that we both think the Rangers would draw better downtown.
All that said, you need to find some better data because now that I look at it on my PC where I can actually see it, there’s no fucking way that map is right. Absolutely no way.
by Black Francis on Mar 10, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Take it up with DFWMaps.com then.
A spot or two wrong does nothing to change the fact the overall concentration of wealth and population in DFW looks pretty much like the map shows.
There are big problems with that map, not little ones
…and I’ll call you out for using shit data.
by Black Francis on Mar 11, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hey where did you say Bill's Records is now?
Is it by South Side off Lamar?
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 10, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

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