Juan Gonzalez denies he used steroids or PEDs
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 13, 2010 5:19 PM CDT
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PrintJuan Gonzalez has spoken, and he says he never used PEDs.
Lots of interesting quotes from Juan on the issue, but this was my favorite part:
Gonzalez also reserved some criticism for Bud Selig, who cleared the way for Mitchell to study the use of PEDs in baseball.
"This dilemma was caused when Canseco opened his mouth, but the commissioner is partly to blame," Gonzalez said. "Why did he throw away millions on that congressman [Mitchell]? What does Mitchell know about baseball? He never played baseball."
So there you go. The Mitchell Report is nonsense because George Mitchell never played baseball. Clearly, the Mitchell Report would have had more credibility if it had been issued by Kevin Mitchell. Or maybe Mitchell Paige.
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The Rangers really screwed up when they traded Juan Gonzalez away for a bunch of nothing
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I absolutely hated that trade.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Considering what Gonzalez became
they were just lucky he never signed the 8 year contract they offered him.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Don't see why.
Had Juan accepted the 8/140 they offered him, they’d have had him through 2008, with one bigtime year in the 8 years to show for it.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Didn't we get Coco in that deal?
Which later turned into Nellie
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Don't forget the beastly Gabe Kapler
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Apr 14, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
or Mitch Williams
although I’ll bet anything he juiced.
If you don’t want kids reading words like "douchebag", get one of those mormon computers where it eats the butt shit and poops out a sunshiney mix of positivity and people climbing mountains to "achieve" or whatever. - thedirkatron
Alu
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Apr 13, 2010 5:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Alyssa looks a lot like Marisa Tomei there
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Apr 13, 2010 5:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Truth shouldn't get you banned
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Apr 13, 2010 5:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was hoping for a semi-nude pic
after reading your first sentence. You bastard.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
I was going to say Judy Garland
If you don’t want kids reading words like "douchebag", get one of those mormon computers where it eats the butt shit and poops out a sunshiney mix of positivity and people climbing mountains to "achieve" or whatever. - thedirkatron
Or Dale Mitchell
No point having a chief without Indians.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 13, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
My love of Juando has declined a bit over time.
He was once my favorite, but, eventually, his attitude turned me off.
Has nothing to do with steroids, since I still have a man crush on Palmeiro. His testing positive didn’t turn me off as much as his lying in court.
Obviously I can't really know
…but looking back it seemed like Gonzalez may have had depression problems or something. Motherfucker could hit, though. And I know this site doesn’t like RBI, but if there were men on base there’s nobody who would make a pitcher shit their pants like Juan Gonzalez. Well maybe Manny Ramirez.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember watching mid/late '90s Manny and Juan
wondering which would be considered the greatest right handed hitter of his generation. Not much of a competition
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Unfortunately
Their early years were comparable, though. It’s funny to think that Gonzalez came up in 1991 and was something like 19 years old. A centerfielder, too. He won a HR title at age 22. Had several monster OPS years.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I met gonzalez
At the country kitchen one time by the ballpark. I wanted to say hi or ask for an autograph but the waitress said he was rude to people who asked. Looking back I can kinda understand. They have to have some “off time”
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Apr 14, 2010 1:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I know
Fascinating.
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Apr 14, 2010 3:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dig this...
I saw Kenny Rogers getting into a mini-van smoking a cigarette once.
I didn’t mind that he was smoking, I just could never figure out why a ML player had anything to do with a mini-van.
Chew on that for awhile.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Who, me?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Palmeiro's swing was one of my favorites.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Before he became a big HR hitter
I think he went something like 25 or 30 AB’s one time without swinging and missing.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Were those all hits
or just contact with the ball?
Hipsters, Flipsters, and Finger Poppin Daddies! Knock me your lobes.
I really, really liked Juan growing up
he was something else.
Stupid Rangers. Even their best players make me sad.
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The Mitchell Report was useless
because it didn’t tell us anything that we didn’t already know. “Hi, I’m George Mitchell, former Senate Majority Leader, would you like to be interviewed for my steroid report?” “No.”
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by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2010 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We traded Igor?
Say wha??
I thought he was still under wraps for another 3 years…
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
We'll never know because Adam will never, ever finish that list.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true.
:’(
I think this group voted him second. I’d put him behind Palmeiro, but I don’t really have a problem with it. I think the emotion of attachment should factor in to stuff like that.
It should.
I don’t see how Gonazelez could rank ahead of Pudge Rodriguez. Also don’t see how anyone could put Raffy in front of him. He split for Baltimore and came back only for one good year, then refused a trade I think the next year to a contending team. I’ll never understand why he did that. He put the kibosh on a win-win-win situation.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Aside from 1999
Palmeiro’s best years in TEX were on such shitty teams. It’s hard for me to remember anyone fondly from that time. But you’re right in the end he put up better numbers and for a much, much longer period of time. No doubts about that.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s why I only put Bell 4th, even though he may have actually put up more value as a Ranger than anyone not named Ivan.
My list.
1. Pudge
2. Raffy
3. Igor
4. Bell
5. Hough
I could easily switch him with Bell. Pudge is the only person I’d have to see a seriously compelling argument to believe belong behind Juando.
I'd agree with that list for the most part
It isn’t even close for Pudge as 1. Pudge’s HOF status had been all but locked up by the day he left the Rangers. I could go with Juan over Raffy, just because Juan’s peak, which was very high, was entirely with the Rangers. Palmeiro’s peak was split between the Rangers and O’s.
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Absolutely agree with the logic behind that reasoning for Juan > Raf.
It’s just not enough for me to switch them. I’d spend very little time arguing with it, though.
Now, who was better as a Ranger I could argue.
especially
since he’s a shortstop in the 70s putting up ops+ of 120ish with handfuls of stolen bases.
probably more all star games if it weren’t for bert campaneris and luis apracio
He and Buddy Bell have just been forgotten with time, it seems.
They’re both candidates for whatever the Hall of People Who Aren’t Quite Hall of Famers would be called. And they both put up most of that in Texas.
I feel like Sundberg still gets a fair bit of credit.
He’s mentioned a lot, and I don’t seem to remember him being shoved down in the greatest Rangers ever voting.
Bell, though, I don’t think could be called any worse than the fourth best Ranger ever, and it’s like he never even existed.
lol
Whenever I get around to posting that WAR leaders thingy for third base, you’ll see. Bell would be an easy Hall of Famer if he was as good in Cleveland as he was in Texas. The difference between he and Hank Blalock (who is #2, believe it or not) is hilarious.
I think I'm going to ask people to never mention Hank's name
He’s too sad a story for Rangers fans. Ugh.
Let this be my last post to ever mention Blalock or Ruben Mateo again.
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yeah
Sundberg gets the credit he deserves. But I’m just saying he’d be a candidate for your Hall of People who Aren’t Quite Hall of Famers as well. He’s probably one of the top 5 or 10 gloves all time behind the plate (just like Bell at 3rd).
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Sundberg was also a really classy guy
When my brother was in the hospital, Sunny came to see him twice and spent a lot of time with him. I was too young to remember but my mom said she could tell he really cared for him. He was at Children’s, so lots of athletes came by. My mom remembers him the best, and said Staubach seemed a little weird with the kids but was very good with the parents and that he cared, too.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Palmeiro was good in BAL
Very good. But he put up better numbers for Texas. 1999 was his peak year, and he had several very good years after that here but they were on very forgettable teams.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Palmeiro's best years
were in a Ranger uni:
In decending order of OPS+:
1999 .324/.420/.630, 159 (47/148)
1991 .322/.389/.532, 155 (26/88)
1993 .295/.371/.554, 150 (37/105)
2002 .273/.391/.571, 146 (43/105)
1995 .310/.380/.583, 145 (39/104) in baltimore in only 143 games because of the strike
1998 .296/.379/.565, 144 (43/121) BAL
2001 .273/.381/.563, 141 (47/123)
His “peak” was from 1993 to 2003, during which he hit .288/.380/.555 (OPS+ of 138) and 433 homers averaging 39 homers and 115 rbi’s with more walks than strikeouts.
Many years from now, when everyone realizes that there were as many pitchers taking steroids as hitters, and that the playing field was still pretty level, he’s going to be elected to the HOF.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I just don't know
Sweet swing, great numbers – came out looking worse than maybe anyone with the steroid scandals.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
This is also why I think MY has a good argument as our all-time shortstop.
I think you’d have trouble arguing he was better as a Ranger than Toby Harrah, and even A-Rod with just three years. But, unlike those two, he’s a career Ranger. And he hasn’t been better anywhere else.
I’d probably take Harrah, but it’s not some cut-and-dry argument.
There is definitely something to say for players playing through their peak on the same club
It’s a completely irrational point, but that is one reason that a guy like Bagwell is a sure HOFer whereas a Fred McGriff isn’t. Players like Bagwell, Young, Ichiro (yeah, I’m ignoring Japan), Jeter, etc are what keeps rooting for a team from being simply rooting for jerseys, as Seinfeld would say.
This is increasingly my biggest aggravation with other sports, like the NFL and NBA, where salary caps force players to bounce around oddly for the last 3-4 years of their careers. It feels wrong. Baseball has that to some extent, with guys like Frank Thomas drifting at the end, but for the most part, player/team links are strong.
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Wait a second.
I’m not sure about the Bagwell-McGriff comparison. Bagwell’s probably one of the three or four best first basemen ever and teabag’s McGriff’s career. Are you saying that’s because McGriff moved around so much?
hah
I was worried you’d get hung up on that. Obviously Bagwell is a much better player.
I’m just saying that one reason a guy like McGriff, who had a very good career, isn’t even typically discussed as a future HOFer, is that he floated around. If he had been in one place his whole career he’d at least be discussed.
I’d then argue that it is easier to recognize Bagwell’s greatness because he was always in Houston. That association allows people – even the most averse to things like park effects – to instantly recognize that his numbers must be corrected for playing in the abyss that was the Astrodome. Obviously numerically you don’t need this, I’m just saying that the perception of the players is helped by it.
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he's a great example as well
probably better than McGriff, since you can actually point to Blyleven and say “He SHOULD be in the HOF, but he isn’t;” whereas McGriff the argument is more “He should be discussed”
Also, that is probably why someone like Jim Rice got in; and why a Ryne Sandberg (yeah, he started with the Phillies) was a shoe-in.
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fred mcgriff
is a tom emanski all star. in fact that should be the hat he wears into the hall (if he gets there)
by studcrackers on Apr 14, 2010 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions
quick trivia question
This All-Star holds the franchise record for both games and years played at shortstop. Who is he?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I'd put Ryan on my list for the emotional attachment factor.
At #3 behind Pudge and Juan for me. I was at the game where Robin Ventura hit two grand slams against the Rangers. I was like ten at the time, and remembering that Ryan had punched him out made me very happy.
Mine...
1. MY
2. MY
3. MY
4. MY
5. Richard Hidalgo
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Toby Harrah never gets any love on this site.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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LSB is nonsense
because AJM never played baseball, IMO.
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by DJCahill on Apr 13, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
But Adam has taken PEDs
I’d bet.
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Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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I have no doubt
My guess is 80% of all bloggers do.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
P'noos Enhancing Drug?
Shrivel.
Seems like the umps are shittier than usual everywhere this year. - thedirkatron
I'm on Seagrams right now
my posts may not be better, but my opinion of them is much enhanced.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Not even close :)
a) We didn’t value defense in 90’s :), so you can only consider their offensive numbers
b) 2 MVP’s versus 1
c) 100 RBI’s before the ASB
d) One time when I was around 9 years old, I prayed to God for Juan to hit a HR. He did, and I’ve been convinced He exists ever since. That’s right, Juan Gonzalez is the reason for my faith.
e) 1996 Playoffs. Nobody on the Rangers wanted to win the series. Juan Gonzalez, however, posted 1901 OPS, with 5 HR’s and 9 RBI’s.
This is even worse
If you do actually have powers and you were cheering for the Jays to tie the game…
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:)
I guess I should say that he’s my favorite ranger ever, not even close.
Best Ranger clearly has to go to Pudge.
Okay...
but those are clearly different things.
Jose Canseco may be my favorite Rangers player ever because he’s the one that made me start following this club.
But there’s little doubt that Pudge is the best Rangers player ever.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Bench and Berra
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Along with 3B,
the easiest position to get the top two.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I don't think 3B is that easy to get the top two at all.
Considering I don’t agree with many people’s #2.
Plus, the All-Century team had Brooks Robinson, who belongs in the Hall of Fame, but isn’t close to #2.
Who threatens Schmidt and Brett?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I would ask you who threatens Boggs.
The answer is obviously Brett, but give me Boggs at #2.
I might also put Mathews ahead of Brett. I think Schmidt is easily #1, but there’s a CF from 2-4.
see
I was thinking Schmidt and Matthews, and that Boggs and Brett are just not in the same class as Eddie
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I absolutely think they're in the same class.
Mathews has a great argument. I believe he’s actually ahead of those two in career WAR, for one thing. But I don’t think it’s a cut-and-dry case ahead of Boggs or Brett.
And regardless of who belongs at #2, I believe we’ve made a great case for why it’s not an easy choice.
interesting that you bring up A-rod
I always compared A-rod to Honus Wagner, and in a bizzare way its still very true.
The difference is that Wagner played all over the diamond in his first 6 years, then played mostly shortstop fot his last 14. (then one last year all over the place again, but he was 43 then).
Whats amazing is that A-Rod’s career OPS+ is 147 and Wagner’s is 150. their OBP are almost identical (.390-.391)
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I hate positional breakdowns
because no one can put Musial anywhere, even though he was a top 10 player.
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I think they should be grouped together as corner outfielders, though.
The skill set and replacement level is just too close to differentiate them based on what their comfort level or team decisions were.
And if that’s the case, it gets pretty difficult to get an order no one can intelligently argue with.
I'll go. . .
Ruth
Bonds
Williams
Aaron
Musial
Henderson
Ott
Robinson
Clemente
. . . I ran out of people I could think of.
in CF, not the corners
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Behind
Mays
Cobb
Mantle
Speaker
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I think if someone wanted to argue
Cobb greatest player regardless of position, they’d have a good point.
I waver because of the discrepancies in competition.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I go w/ Bonds personally
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I go with Bonds often just because no one else will.
But if I’m in a room of people who are willing to accept Bonds as a reasonable choice, I go Ruth.
I waffle on it
Impossible to objectify competition. But, the Babe put up a career 207 OPS+, which is just silly.
Not to mention 94-46 as a pitcher with a career 2.28 ERA
That's my exact order.
Then Griffey.
MLB Network did their Prime 9 CFers list, and I think I agreed with it completely.
I use to have Mantle #1 before I stopped deciding a 3 year peak was all that mattered.
Nadel pointed out that Griffey had 2,700-some odd hits this weekend
It made me sad thinking about what might have been had injuries not derailed all years.
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
No kidding
He is easily my favorite non-Ranger ever. And, I hate the M’s is the weird part about it. He was the MJ of baseball for awhile in my eyes.
Manny, Yaz, Sheffield, and many others
Over Clemente.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
That's were I always put him b/f Phat Albert came along.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
So you're saying Gehrig, Musial, Foxx, I'm guessing?
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Yes.
Then probably Bagwell and either Pujols or Greenberg.
This is off the top of my head, btw. Spent a lot of time talking about historical positional rankings with bright people, but I don’t have it all committed to memory.
Yeah, I'm certainly not going to hold you to this ranking
I intended to start an offseason fanpost series on this topic over the winter, just never got around to it.
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Doesn't the Big Hurt
top Bags?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Many would put Buck Leonard in there,
but that’s a whole other debate.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I don't rank Negro Leaguers.
I just don’t feel confident with it. Other people can as much as they want, but I need my rankings to have at least some sort of objective basis in research unless I can actually do some scouting myself, and I obviously couldn’t do that here and I’m not read enough on those who were to pretend I have an informed opinion.
They should have just been integrated so I don’t have this problem.
If you weighed anecdotal stuff heavily
Josh Gibson would be way, way up there
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 13, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Where do your rank Foxx then?
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Agree, it's not a matter of if he makes that tier of 1B, just where exactly he lands at the end of his career
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Considering that Pujols
hasn’t really reached the age where Foxx fell off the map, it is silly to rank Pujols ahead of him.
Through age 32, Jimmie Foxx was about as good as anyone. To me, players have to put up Foxx numbers for longer than Foxx to pass him at 1st.
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oh, and Gehrig did
Because he put up Foxx numbers through age 35 (or maybe it should be said, Foxx put up Gehrig numbers through age 32).
If Musial had been at first his whole career, he’s probably better than both of them. It’d be close between him and Gehrig. I have trouble with Gehrig (and Foxx, but it is easier to discount Foxx) since he didn’t have the 3 or 4 years at the end of his career to lower his rate stats.
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Somewhat related to this conversation. . .
How many of the top 50 players on Sean Smith’s database can you guess in 10 minutes?
only 95% of participants have guessed Babe Ruth. . .
I managed 35/50
That only 95% guess Babe Ruth suggests that people just click on it and dont actually take it. No one who would actually take that quiz and try would miss Ruth.
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
I got 38,
kinda 39 as I didn’t even try to spell Yaz.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
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34
embarrassed by forgetting Honus Wagner, Frank Robinson, and Gaylord Perry.
Surprised by Greg Maddux for some reason. Never heard of Nap Lajoie.
And, I think you may have killed this thread with the quiz :)
Shit, I forgot Clemens while looking at the years played.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
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Nap Lajoie
he hit .400 once, maybe twice, around 1900.
All the players at the turn of the century hurt me though. Other than Lajoie and another one, I missed them all, which was a -4 to my score.
So to say I got 38/44 post 1900 players isn’t bad. Only two of them should have have gotten; but I won’t name them here for those about to play the game
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Embarrassingly I missed Wagner, Perry, and Maddux, along with Eddie Collins and a few others
Lajoie was in the first 10 or so I named. Check him out, one of the truly great players of the early days. He still holds the AL batting average record (something like .426, IIRC).
He was also Ty Cobb’s main rival. The year escapes me (1910 and 1916 strike me as possible years), but the two were in a heated race for the batting title with Cobb ahead. Cobb took off the last day of the season knowing Lajoie would need a near perfect day to beat him. Because the entire league hated Cobb, the opposing team basically threw the day for Lajoie, he went something like 8 for 8 and beat Cobb.
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
He and Al Oliver
are the only 2 players to have 200 hit/100 RBI seasons in each league. That’s how I always remember him.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I love that the entire league hated Cobb
and he still dominated.
Sports don’t have enough villains these days. Someone truly evil, but so good you have to respect them. Bonds almost was that, but it was different – you never thought he was genuinely a bad, evil person. Other really bad guys aren’t good enough (Rothlisberger comes to mind). Roger Clemens maybe?
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Albert Belle had that going for a while.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Agree
They’re probably the closest we’ve had in recent generations, but they’re more d-bags and prima donnas rather than true villains. Cobb was just a mean, ugly, bad person who made it his mission to be hated by everyone else.
I’m with you, sports don’t really have the true black hat-wearing villains anymore. Everyone is sanitized or PCed up because of the constant media/camera presence. Even NASCAR, which used to excel in having outspoken, larger-than-life characters and guys who relished playing the villain, lacks it. Too many “blah”, corporate-influenced personalities.
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
top 5 players i missed
tris speaker, pete alexander, joe morgan, kid nichols, cap anson
kid nichols is only guy on list i’d never heard of
I would never think of Nichols.
I definitely know who he is, I just would never think of him in 10 minutes.
Cap Anson I think would be largely considered the best player in MLB history at the turn of the century, and probably the best before Honus Wagner took that title.
37 of 50
I cheated a bit in that I had the BR’s list of adjusted batting wins (until i realized I needed pitchers too, and brought up that as well.) didn’t help much as batting wins and WAR don’t correlate that well.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Yup.
The Batting Wins component should be pretty close to part of the offensive component of WAR, but it has a different baseline, doesn’t adjust for position and doesn’t include defense.
I used to argue this
But then I took a hard look at the numbers. I had a friend put about 7 catchers’ numbers down on paper and code them so I didn’t know whose numbers belonged to whom. I ultimately (and reluctantly) came to the conclusion that Pudge is at best #3 or 4 on the list.
I use to have him lower than that because a bunch of people told me so.
With more research, though, I started to become more comfortable putting him that high.
Matt Sounders, whose area of expertise is defensive research, considers him the greatest defensive catcher of all-time.
Any idea where he has Freehan?
I’ve been programmed to believe him and Bench, with historians saying Schalk and Ewing.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I don't remember any mention of Freehan at all.
Ewing, btw, is my #3. Not defensively, overall. Or at least was, a new dose of research could definitely result in changes.
I’m pretty sure Schalk was high and I think Bench was #2, ahead of Fisk (who he thinks is ridiculously underrated).
1996 Playoffs
God he was awesome. It was so sad to watch the rest of them just fold like they did. Hitters, anyway.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you keep calling him Juando?
by TooLegitToQuit on Apr 13, 2010 6:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Really? Goddamn it's been forever, because I can't ever remember hearing anybody calling him that..
I never heard Bill Jones say it.
by TooLegitToQuit on Apr 13, 2010 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is clearly sarcasm,
right??
right….
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Apr 13, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
This game was the most frustrating
Juan did everything he could. Accounted for every Ranger run and Yanks realized to just intentionally walk him.
Hill gave us a QS. Bullpen didn’t do too bad
Palmer shit the bed when he flied out with the bases juiced in the 12th (thanks to another Juan single) and then let the winning run score on an errant throw fielding a bunt.
He'll probably always be my fav player
For many of the reasons mentioned. Big part of why I got so into following baseball as a kid.
In 1998, the last game before the all star break those 2 HRs he hit against Randy Johnson giving him 101 RBIs at the break. I remember that game so well. Was at the beach with the family, jumping up outta my seat when he hit that 2nd one over Griffey.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX199807050.shtml
I don’t really care that he did some weird stuff, was moody, couldn’t layoff the low-outside slider, or did PEDs. I miss hearing the Imperial March haha.
I was at that game
It was epic for 9 year old me at the time
Go UNT Mean Green!
by JustinH89 on Apr 14, 2010 12:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Christ, that woman's teeth freak me out.
And Juan was awesome.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.
Nobody affiliated with the Rangers can speak ill of JuanGone until somebody else
decides to lift the burden off this franchise and win us a damn playoff game.
CURSE YOU ALL!!
by TooLegitToQuit on Apr 13, 2010 5:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
regarding juando
what equivalent education do you think these 16 and 17 year old latin players have? i’m not knocking their nationality or ethnicity. they don’t have education requirements do they? no high school or college? juan probably is not a smart man.
The education systems down there are wretched
My fiance teaches 3rd grade bilingual and has a bunch of students who’ve recently immigrated who have never even attempted to read—never been in public schooling. They’re from all over Central America.
I think Gonzalez is from Puerto Rico
…where the education was better than most other places, at least for a while. I know he went to school until the Rangers signed him.
I think that they could have done a better job with teaching him English, but I know for a fact that his English was a lot better than he let on to the press because I’ve actually talked to him. He didn’t seem stupid to me, but there’s no doubt he had very little education.
by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
smart /= educated; and not educated /= not smart
It’s an important distinction, particularly in cases like these
Go Rice Owls!
Ranger100 disagrees
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Not enough to sign their autograph properly /bigsteve
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
I imagine all Latin American players have a hard time writing their name/
by TooLegitToQuit on Apr 13, 2010 6:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No JuanGone Pics?
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
I miss being a young, innocent baseball fan.
And I miss that being the picture of my excellent team that always won the AL West.
see, I grew up with the Rangers as being awful
it helped me appreciate the late ’90s more; and it helped me get through the 2000s.
Go Rice Owls!
Same here.
I knew who the Cowboys were all of a year before they started winning championships. I never thought I’d go more than a couple years without one.
That 1-15 team was a nightmare to live through.
I was just old enough to understand just how bad it was. I remember how much I despised that POS Jones for firing the greatest football coach of all-time in Landry. Then they trade away Herschel Walker for four crappy players and bunch of draft picks. Draft picks don’t run the 40 in 4.2 secs. I was too young to realize what draft picks can turn into for a team who uses them wisely.
The next 10 years I stayed true to the Cowboys and this new guy Jimmy Johnson and watched as they rolled up Super Bowl win after Super Bowl win.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Juan
Just be a stand up guy and accept the fact that no one’s gonna believe you and admit u used steroids.
Holy crap
Brett Anderson just pumping in mid-90s fastballs.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
He is going to dominate the ALW for the 3-4 years before Beane trades him
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
I prefer
1 or 2 years before he gets the Rich Harden disease.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Not her best picture...
but there’s something about it which is making me fall in love with her for 5 seconds at a clip when I log in.
If you don’t want kids reading words like "douchebag", get one of those mormon computers where it eats the butt shit and poops out a sunshiney mix of positivity and people climbing mountains to "achieve" or whatever. - thedirkatron
never noticed the "Andrew's Head Whipping Around"
funny.
Even funnier when you say it in Nelsonvoice.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
and this would be in response to Rangers100
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Juan Gonzalez denies taking steroids
In other news, Adolph Hitler denies charges of anti-semitism…
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hitler didn't like people
Who drive 18-wheelers?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 13, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Hideki Matsui
I know we are supposed to hate the Yankees but this was pretty cool today.
by LoneStarBallUser on Apr 13, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
Impossible to hate
even as an Angel, I like Matsui.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
I never cared for him.. was way overrated for long while
Last year he performed nicely though. I still don’t expect anything from him this year.
I was speaking just as a person
not about his value as a player.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
And now the Bradley sex orgies begin in Seattle as he hits a three run shot to win the game against the A's.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Ahem...
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
3-26
Yeah I know, it was just funny how every nite someone would report a Milton misplay on here. It got silent tonite. Check out the open letter to MB on Lookout Landing. It’s gonna be an interesting season between LL and MB.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
link?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
x
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/4/13/1420217/dear-milton
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Hate to say it...
But their puns are WAYYYY better than ours…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
LL's internet humor is on a whole other evolutionary plane than ours
I can only hope LSB will one day ascend to that level… as long as GoET’s around, there’s hope.
Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans
agreed that it's almost always a good read
And it’s strong community over there. Too many rec’s dispensed, though.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
And AJM
Can never say a word about Gonzalez, even in passing, without slamming him, can he?
Of course if Arod made the same comment, I wonder if AJM would have pulled it out and lambasted it. OH I REALLY WONDER.
I hate Adam Morris
so very much.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Embrace of the Vampire
Best movie ever made in human history. Thank, Alyssa.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
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