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by Suicide Prince on Apr 22, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
When are people going to learn how to spell "tine" correctly? Geeze...
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I've searched all over the place
but I haven’t been able to find where it’s tine originated from.. and I just started reading this blog a few weeks ago.. I want to be let in on the inside joke :-(
I think this is the
first reference.
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by DerekSTheRed on Apr 22, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I think
this is the first one. In response to the Rangers promos.
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It seems like at this point you wait how ever much longer it takes to push his clock back a year
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
It would take until June to avoid Super 2, right?
So I’m assuming no one is okay with pushing back his arbitration (I admit I don’t understand this stuff particularly well). So, I’m assuming no one wants to wait that long, right? And haven’t we already waited long enough to push his clock back one season?
At this point , it would seem like the only thing to wait for is “when he’s ready,” and any extra time is just wasting him.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
I guess it depends on what you are thinking Smoak is.
If you think Smoak is closing on what Tex was then, yes I would be for waiting till June if that is what is needed. If we think Smoak is going to be a good solid player then I would say get him up now.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
Smoak doesn't seem to have the power of Tex, seems to be a doubles hitter with high OBP.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
I think he means
is Smoak going to hit poorly out of the gate and then progress, or hit well out of the gate?
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he can really be much worse than Davis at the moment,
and I’m not a Davis hater. You figure Smoak should be able to hit .220 with some walks right off the bat, I guess even that is a marginal improvement over what we have going on now.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
what does Smoak's defense do for you?
Do you lose anything there? Is that marginal improvement on offense going to offset a potential downgrade at 1b?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I think you lose
Smoak’s supposed to have the superior defensive skills (what I heard last year) but as I understand it, like Borbon, he has a lot of refining to do to his defensive game. And Davis has it going defensively right now…
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily buy Davis having it going.
I lean that direction, but it’s far from open and shut right now. I think the difference in defense on the move is, at most, negligible. At least from what we’d be able to tell.
1B defense is really not something you worry much about
unless it’s just extremely bad. Smoak will be such a huge upgrade offensively over Davis right now that you simply do not worry about defense, plus Davis’ reputation has kind of gotten out of hand. He’s good, but he’s hardly a world beater.
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It's interesting to me how he gets such high praise for his defense.
when the guy we had before (Tex) was lightyears better. I assume it’s because there was so little expected out of him defensively that providing decent to good defense seems extraordinary at times.
That's what I think it is.
I don’t think people were expecting much out of Davis’s defense. Plus, I think LSB generally likes him and wants anything good they can latch on to. So a little bit of a sign that he might be an above average first baseman gets launched in to declaring him definitively an elite fielder.
well for me personally
it’s two things: I know he’s not bad from the stats I’ve seen, and from my “eye test,” he looks pretty damn good
beyond that, is he better than Tex was? probably not. and beyond that, I think we knew he wasn’t a good defender at 3B, and assumed he wouldn’t be good at 1B, but he’s surprised, so yeah, a little bit of that goes into it
but mostly, Smoak vs. Davis, I would expect Smoak to have to adjust a bit at first but catch on. And if he does bring a significant upgrade offensively, yeah, I don’t think it matters
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Stats
He was 3.2 runs below average last year in UZR and 5 runs below average in +/-. And he’s been more than a run below in UZR this year (and a run above in +/-). He has been slightly bad in defensive stats.
That’s a small sample size, of course, and I agree he’s at least looked good, but I’m wondering what stats he doesn’t look bad in.
Also, I don’t think I ever read anyone call him a good defender at third. I do remember Goldstein saying he probably wouldn’t stick there.
I said we knew he wasn't a good defender at 3rd
and how do his stats rate so poorly? is it purely his range? cause there haven’t been a lot of balls I’ve seen roll past him like I have with Mike Young
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I misread you.
I can’t see the nitty gritty of what exactly drags him down, but it would appear to be a combination of both range and mistakes. And fielding bunts, in the case of the plus/minus.
Anecdotally, I don’t think he ranges out too far. That’s really hard to tell just by watching, but if you tell me something’s below average, from the games I see, that’s what I’d guess it is.
Don't Underestimate the power
of him doing the fill split to field a ball. I think people see those and go wow, and don’t realize the number of balls that Tex simply got to.
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by LBBRangerFan on Apr 22, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeter Effect
Not calling him as bad (or even close) as Jeter, but that’s another part. Making a play look harder than a better fielder does is the easiest way to become an overrated fielder.
Teixeira is light-years better defensively than Davis?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i know gold gloves aren't exactly definitive proof
but i just don’t see Davis coming close to winning one of those. he’s a decent defensive player, but i think Tex does save a few more runs per year than Davis.
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Okay, but saying Davis isn't close to winning a Gold Glove means nothing.
Even if it’s true. Teixeira didn’t necessarily deserve his, Jeter’s got 4, and Franklin Gutierrez has 0.
i realize that, that's why i said it's not definitve
don’t get me wrong, i’m in no way a Davis hater like some people on this board, i just believe that overall, Tex saves a few more runs per year than Davis, that’s all
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I know you said it's not definitive.
I’m just wondering why you say it at all. It’s clearly not in any way a measure of defensive ability.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your stance on Tex vs. Davis.
I'd say Teixeira's evidence is lightyears ahead of Davis if you include the confidence of sample size.
But for the same reason we can’t be positive Davis is a good fielder, we also can’t be positive he’s bad.
Perhaps "lightyears" gives off a connotation I do not intend.
I do not think Davis is bad. I just do not think Davis is at or near the same level as Tex defensively. Tex made a lot of plays look a lot easier than they were.
His percentage of fielded balls turned into outs is 4 percentage points higher. Better range factor. Better fielding percentage. He puts up better fielding runs above average numbers.
He just looks definitively better to me.
but throwing a green roookie
with all of 450 minor league at-bats out there…
I don’t care how good he’s looked in the minors, there’s a lot of potential for error there.
I agree he’s an obvious offensive upgrade right now. I just worry about creating a Chris Davis 2.0. Davis had a career minor league OPS of .951. Smoak’s is .855. I know he’s walking like crazy right now and everything. I just think this might be a case of the grass is always greener.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I could easily be swayed by the above.
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Davis had a slugging percentage near .600 in the minors.
That’s going to be more difficult to repeat at the major league level than Smoaks’ .410 OBP especially considering Davis’ propensity for strikeouts.
And if baseball reference is up to date and correct, his OPS is now .879 for his minor league career. He doesn’t appear to have the upside that Davis has, but he also appears to have significantly less risk and a higher potential for consistency.
I don't worry about creating Davis 2.0.
I agree with some other stuff you say, but I worry a lot less about bringing up a prospect with plate discipline than I do with bringing up a prospect who makes his living swinging away at everything.
true
something i just read i didn’t realize:
Davis’ minor league K/BB was 3/1. Smoak’s is 1/1.
You gotta love what you see, and to want him up here makes a lot of sense. I just think if there’s anyway you can get by – platooning Garko, whatever – you try it first.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Wasn't that
Adrian Gonzalez’s MO? Kind of a slappy in the minors? I might be remembering wrong tho.
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I didn’t realize how severe Smoak’s splits were. Kind of crazy.
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That was last year
He’s been much better since the WBC on.
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by Kinslerhomer on Apr 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What are his splits this year?
The only site I know that has splits for minor leaguers doesn’t have his for this year.
Minor League Splits.com has some for 2009
AB H AVG OBP SLG OPS BABIP GB% LD% FB%
vs. LH 66 15 0.227 0.325 0.333 0.658 0.269 38.9% 25.9% 35.2%
vs. RH 131 33 0.252 0.381 0.374 0.755 0.313 54.0% 24.0% 22.0%
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi
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by LBBRangerFan on Apr 22, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Didn’t remember the OKC site having splits before. Perhaps I was just blind.
Certainly not struggling against lefties this year. Thanks.
The milb site has always had them
but only for the current season. Actually, only the current club, current season. If a player gets promoted they’ll only have the splits up for whatever club they are on right now.
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I wish that line was the other way around
As awesome as he is against pitchers in general, it would be nice to know a guy in the minors has a 1.14 OPS against lefties and is just about ready to do that in the Majors.
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I like the Memorial Day deadline
Gives Smoak and Davis a little bit of extra time to help you know you’re making the right decision. I love me some Davis, but he’s really got to start showing something on this upcoming homestand.
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Chris Davis / Mike Jacobs
Is there much difference offensively?
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A few of us brought out this comparison before 2008.
I believed the scouting types telling me had phenomenal contact skills to make up for the poor discipline, though.
Well
It depends on what you mean by that.
Jacobs never had Davis’s minor league track record, and Jacobs was a year older than Davis is now when he first came to the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis the better defender?
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean
other than the fact davis is like 24 and jacobs is 29?
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by knockoutking on Apr 22, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh
Yeah, you really got me there. Davis is 24 and Jacobs is 29, gotcha.
I guess my point wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was. Is there any reason to think that Davis career will be any different than Jacob’s has been? After all, when he was 24 Jacobs had a career 179 OPS+.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Jacobs had that 179 OPS+
…as a 24 year old after about 100 PAs in the majors at age 24.
Davis succeeded in the majors as a 22 year old, over a longer stretch, and hit much better than Jacobs ever did in the minors, as well.
They could end up at the same eventual career, but I have a hard time seeing that the two players, from start to age 24, are similar.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have very little faith left that CD will get this thing straightened out
But, I feel like any extra time we can give Smoak to succeed at the AAA level will only benefit him and the Rangers long-term.
Smoak is not a guarantee. In fact, it’s quite possible he comes to the Bigs and struggles mightily. Give Davis another 6 weeks, then make the move if we still must.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Bringing him up now would certainly
send a message to the team that the FO is not going to wait around for them to get it going.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
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Not in Davis' case
He sucked for virtually all of last year. Of all the possible moves they can make right now this one wouldn’t be a knee jerk.
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well there was hope
he finished 2009 with 133 at bats at a .308/.338/.496 clip (.834 OPS), striking out much less (on a 140 k pace for 600 at bats) – nothing to sneer at, and had a pretty damn good spring…
I would say his 45 at bats this year are a poor indication and that we need to give him over 100 at bats to judge. At least he’s only on pace for 160 or so strikeouts this year…
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis pace
He’s also on pace for zero HR.
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that's true - his K-to-BB and HR-to-K rates
are extremely unacceptable
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
what would be really nice
is if we could find someone who can hit lefties.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
like garko?
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by knockoutking on Apr 22, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The track record of hitting lefties is nice.
Would be even better if he did it come game time though. Having everybody shit the bed at the same time gets annoying.
I've been against rushing Smoak up here just because Davis sucks
but I think Smoak’s approach is solid enough that he wouldn’t hurt the team, and he’d certainly be an upgrade over Davis. Smoak, in essence, seems more capable of learning on the job than Davis.
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One thing on Davis
If I’m the Rangers, one thing that I would consider is optimizing Chris Davis’ remaining options. It is easy right now to focus on Smoak, and for your only concern regarding Davis is playing time. I just think that it’s worth remembering that Davis could very easily be a late breakthrough, high payoff player, and I would like to optimize my control options for him.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 22, 2010 1:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm for it in a few weeks
wanna see if either or both can break out of it with some more at bats, and really, I want to see what happens when Kinsler comes back (not that these aren’t independent of each other)
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
I’m not trying to draw any conclusions necessarily. I just think that as they decide when to call up Smoak and what to do with Davis as a result, the total amount of ABs can has left in the minors leagues while under Rangers control should be weighed against the Smoak considerations and immediate at bats for Davis. Just think if lacking that option had actually cost the Rangers Cruz or if Pena or Ludwick had made their breakthrough while under a different organization’s control. Davis will that sort of high stakes boom/bust guy when he loses his job.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
But weighing it, obviously, means looking at how often Chris Davises turn in to Nelson Cruzes.
Definitely. I just want to remind that once this happens, Davis’ future isn’t completely hopeless. If you’ll look back to 2008, a lot of smart guys on here had no use for him ever getting another look. He just wasn’t going to get it. And Davis will be younger and already has some serious bullet points working for him in the long run.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 22, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ludwick
His pre-breakout major league numbers look an awful lot like Davis’s 2009.
I hadn’t though about him as a Davis comp before, but he’s probably not a bad one.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
and Carlos Pena?
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Pena is a high-K, high walk guy.
Davis is a high-K, low walk guy.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis is learning though which I like
There are some positive signs for him this season compared to his past that gives me hope that he is just making his adjustments now and that the near future still holds some great things for him as a Ranger. Hell, I’d settle for average right now.
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The problem with guys like Ludwick
is even if Davis is Ludwick, how do you wait for 4 or 5 years for them to “figure it out” at age 29? You end up spending a lot of roster space and at bats hoping a guy is a late bloomer. Sure that is easier to do when you know the guy has a lot of talent, like Cruz, but that is a big sacrifice when you’re trying to contend.
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Well he was 28 in the season that he broke out
He had a great second half in 2007. Also, prior to that, he never had much success minus a few HRs in the beginning of 2005 and never had much playing time in general. Davis is at 785 PAs for his ML career while Ludwick had 365 before 2007. So its definitely possible that Davis is on a faster track to reaching that breakout year (or would it be a re-breakout year) than a guy like Ludwick who bounced around the league more and never had the minor league or track record Davis has or the decent sample size of success in the Majors that Davis has.
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How many options does he have left?
two?
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24-yo Davis
needs the 27-yo Cruz treatment.
by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 22, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
place him on waivers
then he explodes in AAA and comes back to be an All Star? I’m for it if it works…
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I guess all but the waivers part
I was thinking more of the sending him to AAA and not bringing him back until he’s one of the best hitters in the league.
by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 22, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I almost posted this, but I'm trying hard not to be so negative on Davis.
I actually am loathe to say that the main problem with the Rangers to date is Davis. He hasn’t been good, but I don’t know if I throw all these other considerations to the wind (Smoak’s FA clock, Davis’s options, clock, the 40 man roster, Smoak’s development, etc). There is probably a date when making a move makes sense, and I don’t see how switching from a struggling Davis to a Smoak who’s going to face a learning curve as well is obviously the best way to break the team out of its miserable state.
Give a Garko/Davis platoon a try for a little while. Then make the move.
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The main problem with the Rangers is absolutely not one player.
Anyone who says it is should be beaten.
And, really, Borbon has been farther below the average center fielder than Davis has been the average first baseman, offensively. Now, Borbon has played some excellent defense and so has conceivably been slightly less bad than Davis so far, and Borbon has also shown more ability to make good contact that just hasn’t fallen so far, so Davis is probably more worrisome going forward. But neither has alone been the problem for the Rangers in 2009.
side note
but baseball-reference’s ops+ seems to be down for all years but 2010
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we need..
a game like what the brewers are doing to the pirates right now… 16-0 top of 7th
by I am Neftali Feliz on Apr 22, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions
How many games have the Brewers
blown another team out like that this year?
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by lost in space on Apr 22, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
16-0...geez,
I swear I have seen at least 3 other games were they had a decisive lead (10 or more runs) this year.
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by lost in space on Apr 22, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
They won by 8 two days ago and 9 yesterday.
They’ve been throttling the Pirates.
Other than that, though, they’ve won by multiple runs just three other times.
It would probably turn into this:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200808120.shtml
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jason ellison?
I dont remember jason ellison? I do remember having several crown and cokes that game going “holy shit” best game I have ever seen… until the walk off of course
by I am Neftali Feliz on Apr 22, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
cat
looks like he replaced catallanatto in that game….
by I am Neftali Feliz on Apr 22, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Rob Neyer posted a reply to Cameron's article:
Justin Smoak probably isn’t this good. Chris Davis probably isn’t this bad. A Davis/Garko platoon at first base should be decent, at least. But Davis is homerless and Garko is hitless. As a result, in 14 games Texas first basemen have driven in one run and scored two. Which is sub-optimal.
Cameron’s probably right about Smoak; he’s probably better, right now, than Davis and Garko put together. But there are payroll considerations, as leaving Smoak in Oklahoma City for another two or three weeks might save the Rangers millions of dollars down the road. I think that’s a risk worth taking.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/3309/can-smoak-monster-get-rangers-off-island
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Before clicking on the article.
Justin Smoak probably isn’t this good? He has a 141 wOBA+ right now (look at that the same way you would OPS+, btw). Is that really a stretch for an elite hitting prospect in AAA?
I agree
of course it’d be insane to expect a 1.000+ OPS out of Smoak in the majors right now, or for him to walk 3 times as often as he strikes out, but he is very good. It may be unreasonable to expect Davis/Garko to do anything at all.
I’d agree with Neyer, though, that 2 or 3 weeks more in OKC is probably a good idea and worth the risk of having Davis/Garko go 0 fer 100 in that time.
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Im with Neyer as well
But sweet Jesus get Holland up here alfuckingready. His clock is already ticking.
Holland
soon, but no harm in waiting a couple weeks for him, either. He replaces either Harden or Harrison soon, I think.
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Harrison to the pen or AAA?
Wouldn’t mind sending Mathis down in order to get another lefty in the pen.
harrison seemed to really really struggle from the stretch last night
So I’m not sure the bully is the best place for him.
Heh
Or he could just allow no baserunners and never need to work from the stretch. I’m good with that plan of action myself.
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I really want to see what Harrison could do in the pen as a LOOGY
Put Dutch in the damn rotaton already.
His clock
The fact that his clock is already ticking doesn’t mean that it doesn’t make any difference if he comes up here now or later in 2010.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well clock aside
How about he’s pretty obviously a better option right now than Harden and probably Harrison?
Isn't that the reason you leave Holland down?
How much longer does he have to stay before he is no longer a super two? How much money will that save the club long term? The starting rotation isn’t the problem here, Harden’s poor showing not withstanding. They need better bullpen management not throwing Holland out there. Harrison got hit around but that grandslam would have been an out in any other major league park so…
Panic about the offense. Panic about Frankie. Don’t panic about Harden and Harrison just yet.
'sub-optimal'
is a kind way to put it
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Smoak is definitely the type of talent
that you Longoria the shit out of.
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What exactly is Smoak's arb-eligibility/Super 2/etc
Situation like? I’m not quite obsessive enough to know the dates he qualifies for certain statuses off the top of my head.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Luke Adams on MLB Trade Rumors
goes over the Pros/Cons of promoting Smoak (answers the Super 2 question, Conjunction)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/justin_smoak/
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
The Rangers have been pretty aggressive promoting their top guys
If they feel it’s time they won’t hesitate because of Super Two.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Yeah, I wonder whether the LSBers discuss that more extensively than JD, Thad, and the rest of the braintrust discuss is
"I prefer the 'as long as you can’t reproduce, it’s not incest' Rule." --BuckyB
Given that it is unlikely...
…that Daniels and Levine are still here when Smoak is f.a. eligible, I’d be surprised if it had a huge impact.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
suicide
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Apr 22, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i could take or leave it
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
don't know, but
it brings on many changes
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Well if the team is doing great
then Levine is probably going on to bigger and better things elsewhere, JD likely stays and the move to bring up Smoak 2 weeks early won’t matter since the team can not only afford to keep him, but it also resulted in playoff teams and…dare I say…a WS ring. And if the team sucks 6+ years from now, then JD and Levine are probably fired no more than 3 years into that stretch.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
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