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So now...
…do the Cowboys try to move up to get one of the second-tier safeties?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I think they should.
We need a safety in the worst way.
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Safety and OL
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Yep. Absolutely have to address one of those two needs in this round.
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depends on how far
Mays and Allen fall. If they go early in the 2nd, then I think we wait for Morgan Burnett.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
No to Mays.
Not if the plan is still to lock up Sensi. Need a FS, not a SS.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Javid Best to Det...
makes a ton of sense.
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Best and the Lions?
Now that’s a great trade….but makes me wonder if the Lions could have gotten him in the 2nd round
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Lions trade for the 30th pick.
Not taking a QB.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Gotta love how you can maintain the same bit for, what, five years?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
And all of a sudden...
…I love the Lions’ draft.
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umm
they got the best player in the draft. that usually means its a good draft. Best is icing.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I should have prefaced it by saying that.
Suh is good enough. Suh + Best is, in my opinion, an outstanding draft.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I like what they've done in the offseason so far.
But they still need to upgrade that O-line in the worst way.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Wow.
Surprised. That Det pick would have had a lot of value tomorrow. Not sure if Best is worth it. He has the upside, but college RBs who have an injury history make me nervous. Still, it’s a gamble, and not a crazy one.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I think Best is possibly the most talented RB in this class.
But yeah, that concussion he had was no joke.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Suh and Best
Great draft so far for the Lions
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We all realize that Best has already had concussions, right?
Considering how the NFL is cracking down on concussions…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Dez Bryant
Folks aren’t expecting him to contribute much in 2010, are they?
Rookies WRs generally don’t do much, and he missed most of 2009…
shut up, Adam
we are riding a high around here
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
He should help immediately in the return game.
And lately there’s been a spate of late first and second round WRs who were able to contribute a lot quicker. The Cowboys have even targeted some of these guys (Dwayne Bowe comes to mind).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Even Crabtree did okay for missing a lot of time.
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
As a slot receiver, he can be good this year
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There are exceptions.
Randy Moss
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Marques Colston
All excellent rookie years.
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--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yeah, but...
…Fitz and Andre Johnson were picked in a different stratosphere.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So was Moss.
But there’s a reason they fell. Still, would anyone be upset if he turned into Santonio Holmes?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
..and we all forget about Witten.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd be upset but I'm hoping for more
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Sure, me too.
I just think a reasonable goal for him is Holmes. He’s got decent size (6’2", 224 lbs) and we all know he’s got great athleticism, but he’s going to have to overcome not playing for a while and getting used to the pro game. 1st Round WRs bust a lot, so I’m trying not to get too greedy.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Other examples
2007: Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Smith
2008: Eddie Royal,
2009: Maclin, Austin Collie
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
That ones seems to be a typical Colts pick. Hum dee dum, take an underrated OT prospect, hope he pans out.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Best = Slaton?
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Woah.
Good job. That makes a lot of sense. Reggie Bush’s first couple years would work as well.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
my next ideal scenario
is for Nate Allen to fall because teams think not much separates him from Burnett and that next tier of FS (Major Wright, Myron Lewis, etc) who will be there in round 3
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah...
…it seems like most leaked info suggests Nate Allen is better. I think Burnett will be better, and while there are some scouts who think so as well, I think the Cowboys prefer Allen buy a decent margin.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Caught that.
Jon Gruden’s been pretty worthless tonight.
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--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Good pick
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Hughes
the best pass rusher in the draft, I think
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
FO says so.
Certainly will be interesting to see. They certainly know how to develop players, so you have to like his chances.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hughes has always had a motor at TCU
Very unblockable on passing situations on 3rd down
Problem is is whether he can stop the run in the NFL
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Yeah, he's a beast.
That Freeney and Hughes combo is going to be hell on QBs.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
That was a good pick.
I think he went to TCU as a RB recruit, though I could be wrong.
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He did
Didn’t even know he was turning into a Defensive Player till he saw a Defense Jersey in his locker the first day of practice
Stuck with it, though, and now is a 1st round pick
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TCU is amazing
at taking offensive players who get passed up in the recruiting process into excellent defensive players
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
And lying to recruits the entire time about the whole deal.
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That "lie"
Turned into a 1st round pick and millions of dollars
I don’t think Hughes is arguing right now
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Yeah, there are a couple of players
Hughes, Tommy Blake (another All-State RB) and Dwight Smith (who’s working as a Safety right now I think – was another All-State RB) have all been moved to Defense
Patterson knows his stuff though
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I'm not talking about just RBs, either, or just moving positions.
Patterson lies on the recruiting trail more than anybody I can think of.
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Do you think Patterson the only one that does it?
Every college coach does it. Its the only way to get these players to their school.
Jerry Hughes played some DE in high school and was use to it. He even admitted it was the best decision at the time….he would have gotten no play time at RB
Guys got to know that by coming to TCU there is a chance you could be moved to Defense
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Did you not read where I said that I wasn't just talking about moving positions?
I know for a fact that Patterson told the entire group of assembled prospects at TCU’s Junior Day last spring (2009) that they should come to TCU and “win a Big XII Championship Game.”
He has repeatedly guaranteed that TCU would replace Baylor in the Big XII without a question.
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I have a hard time believing this
Patterson is not that stupid
Unless the Big 12 expands, there is no way TCU is moving to that conference
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I think it's more likely...
…that they replace Mizzou in the North. Or Colorado.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This wouldn't happen for another couple of years
If at all.
Besides, I’m sure the Big 12 would move the Sooners to the North and put TCU in the South, to try and get the Longhorns and the Sooners in the Championship game every year.
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Especially if Nebraska leaves.
But then how do you guarantee the OU-UT and OU-OSU matchup every year?
As for when it would happen, I dunno if you’ve been reading Stewart Mandel’s columns over at SI.com, but he said he’s now changed his mind and is convinced that the Big10 is expanding. They want a championship game and they want to cover more metro areas for their network and TV deals. MIzzou seems like the most likely pick.
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by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't guarantee it
But its a real possibility every year they could meet the way those two teams recruit. Think how much a win it would be for the Big !2 if those two meet for the Championship Game
I’ve been keeping up with those columns, and I do believe expansion will be coming here in the next couple of years. The Big 10 will be smart to go get Mizzou – could easily create some rivalry games. Nebraska would be a smart school to get, but I feel the history Nebraska has with the Big 12 they might stay
If the Big 12 does lose members, TCU is going to have to be one of the first schools the Big 12 contacts. One of the things I wonder, though, is whether or not Texas and OU will be for it. Those two teams recruit heavily in the DFW area, and if a school from that area entered into the Big 12, those schools might lose some recruiting power in this area.
I dunno. Right now, I say its 60 – 40 that TCU will be in the Big 12 in the next 5 years
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I dunno.
I think they would look at TCU as another A&M quality program, even though that would be considered an insult if you looked at recent history.
I think they keep Baylor in for academic and competitive reasons. I’d really like to see Baylor build on this year’s NCAA basketball run and bring value that way.
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by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
TCU as an entire athletic program
Is nowhere close to the level of A&M.
You might have just been talking about football, but the Big XII looks at the big picture.
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I was.
But their football and baseball are pretty good.
Here’s the question, if the Big 12 lost 2 schools, who else would you add? Try to poach Arkansas? Go after UH?
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by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No way Arkansas leaves the SEC
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Most people would probably say TCU and Houston
But one of the two would be the only feasible options. Both have the same problem- no new markets for the Big XII, which already has a serious television disadvantage.
I’ll be honest, if more than one school leaves, I don’t think the Big XII survives.
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I won't say we are at the same level
But we are close. Our football team has been a 10 win team 4 out of the last 5 years and been bowl teams. Our women basketball team is solid, our baseball team is one of the top teams in the nation, and our Rifle program (yeah, pulling this out) just won a national championship
Really, you can argue that our mens basketball team sucks. Like, really sucks. Everyone knows that
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Exactly
You can’t kick Baylor out of the Big 12 cause they suck at football. They just fielded two basketball teams that lost late in both NCAA tourneys to the eventual title winners, their baseball team is solid and always a threat to make the tourney, and their Tennis team is strong and years removed from a nation championship
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I wouldn't call our baseball team "solid" this year.
Smitty’s last year, imo.
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Steve Smith is a good guy
Met him a couple of times through my father, who played on the team back in the 70s. Use to have really solid teams but seemed to always run into Texas.
Any rumors at who they are looking at to replace Smith
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OBU coach has gotten some love for it
Can’t remember his name.
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Are you talking about Scott Norwood?
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Thats actually a good pickup
If they can get him
Was the head coach of the 2008 USA National Baseball team that went 24-0.
Also, he’s like 254-93 (.723) at ORU. Always surprised me he hasn’t been mention more as a potential hire for bigger schools
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The problem with TCU from the Big XII's perspective
Is that TCU doesn’t bring any more markets into the television coverage.
That being said, from a competitive standpoint, TCU would be a good way to offset the loss of Mizzou from the North. The only problem is that OSU and OU will probably be in the same division no matter what, and there isn’t a corresponding school you could switch to the South to move them north.
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That is a huge problem for TCU
Hell, its difficult to even fill up our stadium, and we were a top-10 team last year.
Hurts when you have less than 8000 undergraduates. Very tough to get a market out of that small of a class
Also, our stadium, if we move to the Big 12, would not be able to accommodate fans of schools like Texas or OU. Its just too small….
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How many does it seat?
BTW, Baylor has just over 12,000 undergraduates, so it’s not like your problems are unique.
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They say 44,008
But they are expanding it right now
Most we have gotten in the stadium was last years’ Utah game, where we got 50,307 fans in there. But most of it was because of ESPN being there earlier in the day
Still, if we come into the league, we would be the smallest school in the Big 12. I know a lot of recruits get scared off because of that
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You would be the smallest school, but that stadium is almost exactly the same size as ours.
Being the smallest school doesn’t scare recruits, trust me. Having a shitty team scares recruits, but obviously you guys don’t have that problem.
The only thing I have against TCU is that a lot of your fans don’t realize that your success is due largely to the fact that you aren’t in the Big XII.
You wouldn’t be where you are now if you were in Baylor’s position.
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Oh don't worry, I'm a realist
I understand that its a lot easier going undefeated during the season when you don’t have to go against UT, OU, A&M, Neb, etc every year. It would be tough
But….the MWC isn’t like a minor conference. Going against Utah (who’s won two BCS games in the past 5 years) and BYU every year is just as tough as some of the teams in the Big 12 (except probably UT or OU).
And we try to schedule our opponents strong, which is why we have put Baylor, OU, and UT on our schedule. We can compete with those schools. Can we beat them? Right now, I say we give a good game to both UT and OU (not saying who would win) and we will prove ourselves vs. Baylor later this year (again, not saying who will win – Baylor is my second team. Love Griffin)
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Getting up to play 1 Big XII team per year != having a Big XII schedule.
And Utah gets the same advantage that TCU does (in scheduling, not in treatment).
You could have given OU a game this year for sure without Bradford, but UT would have had their way with you.
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It's difficult, though
Scheduling these top teams in the Big 12. You really think OU or UT wants to drop a game vs. Florida Atlantic International or something (which is a easy W) for a team like TCU (which is a more difficult W)? With UT and OU always being ranked high in the standings, they can do games like this.
TCU, on the other hand, does everything we can to schedule these teams. That’s the only way we can move up in the rankings. That why we went and got Clemson and Virgina (yeah, I know they sucked) last year and went to their stadiums.
Besides, even if UT or OU agreed to play us, they are going to want us to go to their stadium. No way in hell they would want to come to Ft. Worth….
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I swear to you on everything that is holy
I heard it personally from a recruit who was there.
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If that's true
That is by far the stupidest thing Patterson can do
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Eh.
Players get moved around a lot in their college years. Especially the guys who are at smaller schools who are more likely to be late bloomers or less athletic at first.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Bress on the cover of Madden...
do you believe in the Madden curse?
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Hughes is a beast.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Glad my school at least got a guy in the 1st round
Hoping Washington goes here to NO to round it out
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Well this draft is unbelievable
We got Dez Bryant, and Tebow went to the best OC in the league with a mediocre starter.
From now on, dont care I guess.
Hopefully Jesus can teach him how to throw.
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Let's make a bet.
NFL playoff wins for Tim Tebow. Not Super Bowls, but playoff wins.
How many do you think?
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Also
AS playoff wins bet would take ages.
All I know so far is the draft couldn’t have worked out better for him.
Fuck, McDaniel is so smart, he’ll probably even be using Tebow’s running ability in a punishing way. It’s just gonna be ridiculous.
Just answer the question, Sharky.
Playoff wins for Tim Tebow in the NFL. Go.
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Dude, this is Sharky's bit.
He won’t answer you directly.
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I would like to see a Sharky/Josey argument
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Internet would collapse on itself.
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Answer mine
Lets see, he’s trash and the worst player ever according to your posts, but you want to bet over playoff wins? Moving the goalposts much? If he’s so trash I would think getting in the playoffs would discredit you.
I dont even know the bet, are you asking year one or career?
A few things:
1) I never said he was “trash” or “the worst player ever.”
2) I never said that he would get even 1 playoff win. I’m asking your opinion, since you value him so highly.
3) You know well that I am talking about his entire career. Don’t obfuscate.
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bTW
To be a starter in the playoffs pretty much assumes a decent degree of regular season success as well. Which basically your prior posts have completely stated is not a possibility for Tebow.
Basically, if he ever starts one playoff game, he’s blown you out of the water more or less.
Oh yeah, because mediocre QBs never make the playoffs.
Trent Dilfer is on the phone for you. Brad Johnson, too.
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Those guys
Were both serviceable. You have given the impression Tebow can never reach that level in the NFL.
If you think Tebow wont succeed if he gets on the field
Post here plz. Get your prediction locked down.
Because there’s no way he cant with a good OC.
Respond to my bet.
But why do you think he will so obviously succeed?
Is it Grit™?
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Did I say he was a bad QB? No.
But I see that you’re incapable of giving anything other than blanket assertions.
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do yall make fun of Sharky for this kind of comment? just curious.
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Pick 33
Which the Lions have right now….calling it right now that is going to be heavy shopped
Thinking the Bills move up to it and select Clausen
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I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Or did the Lions deal that pick to move up to get Best?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yep, my bad
The Vikings got that pick now
Gotta think they are going to heavy shop it
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Rams own pick #33, no?
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
34 pick I mean
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Roy Williams says Dallas has the best group of WRs in the NFL now
I wasn’t sure about the WRs, but now that a great football mind like Roy has weighed in, I feel reassured.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
Do not doubt the man.
He knows the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.
Random funny statement from someone on LSB here.
Is he that far off?
Who’s significantly better? NE would be, but Welker’s hurt and may not recover. Houston and Arizona have the best WRs in the game, but their No. 2 guys are meh now. Wayne is the start of the next tier, but I’m not a true believer in Garcon and Collie yet.
SD or NO would be the best argument I think…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on
You think Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, and Dez Bryant are one of the best groups of WRs in the league?
Only one of those guys should even start for a playoff-caliber team.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, good point.
I guess it depends how quickly Bryant reaches his potential. I’m already picturing Bryant as Santonio Holmes, and he’s not even guaranteed to be Eddie Royal yet.
Still, Witten-Austin-Bryant (Roy) has the chance to compete favorably with Vincent Jackson-Antonio Gates-Nane.
But Indy beats it with Wayne-Clark-Collie/Gonzalez/Garcon and NE beats it when healthy. NOLa is interesting, I can’t figure out how good any of those guys truly are. They’re like the GS Warriors of the NFL.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
why are you picking smaller WRs to compare to Bryant?
isn’t he a pretty big guy?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Trying to judge talent, not size
Though SD still matches up there. NOLa too.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i think there's a good chance
Williams steps up his play next year to try to stay on the field, and I think Ogletree takes a step forward as well.
So yeah, those four guys, along with Felix and Witten, should give us one of the most potent collections of pass-catchers around.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
also a decent chance
he just releases him and saves himself the 15 mil he owes him this year.
if we do that, he better try like hell to get OJ Atogwe in the next two days.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Doubt it.
Thinks he gets this year as a last chance. Technically we could go after Atogwe even if he stays, but I have no feel for what the cap will be when they get it all sorted out again.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam's opinion should be treated with skepticism
Since he’s Josey-like with anything Jerry does.
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ogletree runs a mean bubble-screen
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Was about to say.
Don’t forget about Ogletree.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Hahaha.
Drew Brees’ commercial for when he finds out he got the cover for Madden 11 is entertaining.
Thought the Saints reached a little with that CB pick, but they were in a tough spot.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Also
I saw something about the Vikings being after Clausen.
Having Favre and Clausen on the same time would put their douchemeter reading off the charts.
It would be BoSox with Papelbon/Pedroia level douchiness.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 10:11 PM CDT reply actions
Go douchier.
It would be the Red Sox with an infield of Youk, Pedroia, and Arod.
Random funny statement from someone on LSB here.
With Joba and Paplebon in the 'pen.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
They should use grenades instead of baseballs.
Maybe we can convince them it’s the new cool thing?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummm......
Bryant is a Cowboy
Rangers Win
And now…..Smoak is being called up
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Smoak up, Davis down
Front page post now.
Per Sullivan tweet.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Hope for the best for Chris.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't fuck with me right now Adam.
I may esplode.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN and Tebow
Geez, big deal much?
I thought he was gonna be a afterthought.
Seems they smell success with the Denver pick/
with all this draft talk
i have neglected the farm, but it looks like Scheppers is still doing his thing (two scoreless innings, 4 Ks) and Main is off to a promising start.
Also, Jordan Lyles is already in AA? And is doing well? Nice pick, ’Stros.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
also, it may already be time to move Lueke up a level
7 innings, 4 baserunners, 15 Ks.
Let’s see what he can do in BAK already.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
What about Holland?
Has he gone again yet?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
he didn't pitch tonight
but he’s looked dominant in his first three starts, and one more poor one from Harrison will probably result in a swap.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Sweet.
Thanks, I kept track of the first two. Really want him to be up again…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta think
Scheppers isn’t going to be staying in Frisco that much longer. Rangers have to be thinking about moving him up here soon, especially if Holland or BMac gets called up
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
8 innings, 3 baserunners, 12 Ks
nice.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Colt McCoy
Oh wait, there’s one player I know left in the draft…
Any Colt McCoy fans, just hope he goes to a good OC.
Pretty good for Tebow though. I think he wasnt even necessarily expected to be drafted sometime last year. Now he’s in the first round. Pretty storybook story since he dominated high school and college.
But wait, the Broncs have Quinn too? Fuck, unless they trade him thats a lot of QB’s. Though they did say Orton is in the last year of his contract.
So....
…just to be sure, we agree that Chan Gailey would be bad for his development, right?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 22, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
There are already enough
fanpost about football and 2 of the top 5 fanshots are about football on the rec’d list plus it’s quicker to make a fanshot. Also this thread will fill up and probably have to create another one. Why do you ask?
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
x
In our live chat (the replay can be accessed here), Gerry Fraley said:
Get ready for long negotiations and missed time in camp. Bryant represented by same guy who kept Michael Crabtree out last year: Eugene Sanders.
THE DEZ BRYANT FILE
Born: Nov. 4, 1988, in Lufkin, Texas
Don't see a long holdup for Bryant
I mean, Crabtee had a good argument for being the highest paid WR in that draft – The Raiders were idiots
Bryant and his agent will argue that he should be paid like the highest drafted WR, but you got to think Sanders won’t go down this road again after all the negative press he got last year
I say Bryant will sign a couple of days into camp
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Any OSU fans here?
Did Dez Bryant return kicks or punts when he was in college?
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Gotta think
We will at least try him out as our punt returner in camp
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Yeah, he's a badass.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Jones on first round
Jerry Jones mentioned the three targets the Cowboys had in the first round. They were: Dez Bryant, Texas safety Earl Thomas and Idaho guard Mike Iupati.
They never got inside striking distance to get Thomas, who went 14th to Seattle, or Iupati, who went 17th to San Francisco, because they were unwilling to give up their second-round pick. Once the talk started about giving up a third rounder and getting a fourth back, then that’s when things fell into the striking distance and Bryant was still available.
Probably wise….
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Absolutely.
I think it’s interesting that those are the only three guys that people had mocked for Dallas the last few weeks. Spot on, I guess.
by brettgardner on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm actually content with the Raiders pick...
I know they took McClain a little higher than most would have, but I think he can be a pretty solid MLB. Much better than their recent 1st round draft picks.
And I’m just laughing my ass off that it was the Donkeys that took Tebow in the first round. What a fucking joke. I wonder if they go to he school of I Like To Blow My First Round Picks, like Oakland has recently.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah
It was definitely a reach, but not an ‘09 reach. I wouldn’t have picked him at that spot, but at least it’s not Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays.
by brettgardner on Apr 23, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I was afraid...
it was going to be either one of those guys or Clawson.
I was seriously sitting in my chair with one hand over my eyes and the TV on mute expecting the worst.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
actually
Rick Gosselin had McClain as a top ten guy. The guy’s on ESPN treated it as a reach, but I liked the pick for them,
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
While I defer to Goose completely
I don’t really take my cues from the guys on ESPN.
by brettgardner on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The rest of this draft
will be interesting for the Cowboys. Most people believed they had to address their OL and DB depth in this draft, but now, after the first round and with only five picks left and only one left in the top 118, they have not addressed any of those perceived “needs”.
To be clear, I think they had a tremendous first round, got their targeted man and probably the best value in the round. But unless they are able to trade Spears or Crayton for additional picks, they have a very small margin for error if they really want to see the roster churn that Jerry always talks about.
I know we have a bunch of guys we know little about, guys who essentially redshirted last year, but I think Jerry has to find a way to come away with at least one viable option at OL and DB over the next two days. My guess: they take Allen, Burnett or Lewis today at 59 and then use their two fourths to volume draft at OL. My hope: they get DuCasse today at 59 and then find a way to wrangle Agotwe from the Rams for a later pick(s).
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yup, pretty much ditto that whole thing.
I worry if they’ll have the space to sign an Atogwe, but that would seem to give them the most complete team. Starters filled, Ducasse as a backup to both guard and tackle spots. Alan Ball returns to his rightful role as a backup.
But, I think you’re right. I think they’ll try to take the best safety available in the 2nd and then volume pick at OL in the 4th. They probably have a couple guys in mind who they think will fall. It’s not the worst case scenario, though I do fear this means we’ll end up with Cory Proctor as the backup C again. Blech.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Realistically.
There’s 7 guys the Cowboys could take who could fill in as a backup OL or starting FS.
OL: Safford, Campbell, Brown, Ducasse
FS: Burnett, Allen, Major Wright;
There could be a couple large CB’s that could fit as FS, but I’m a little uncomfortable with it since we’d like for this pick to start. Still, when you look at the talent that’s there in the second, it seems likely that at least one of these guys will fall to us.
Guys who seem likely to go in the high to mid 2nd: Clausen, Colt, Taylor Mays, Linval Joseph, Golden Tate, Arrelious Benn, Brandon LaFell, Sergio Kindle, Brian Price, and probably Daryl Washington.
That’s 10 guys. So you just need another 10 teams who have different needs or different valuations and some of those 7 start to fall into play. I don’t think the Cowboys have the ammo to trade up, unless somebody gets interested in their players or they bite the bullet and use next year’s picks.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I'll add a name to that list
There is a guard from Illinois named Jon Asamoah who I’ve been reading about since he poppled up on Gosselin’s top 100 list at #54. He is widely regarded as the second best OG prospect in the draft.
It sounds like he could easily step in a either guard spot right away. If Safford, Brown and Ducasse are all off the board (and I expect they will be) then this guy is my next best option.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
that's just a personal preference, though
the team generally likes big lineman, so the better name to keep in mind, and the one that actually visited the team before the draft, is John Jerry.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah.
I should have added him to the likely to get drafted list. There teams that still need interior Olinemen that missed out on them in the first. I think he’ll be good, everything I’ve read about him suggests he has the size and the…temperament…to make a good OG.
I’m not sure Dallas goes this route. I think their biggest need right now on the OL is to hedge their bet on Free. At G, there’s some thought that Brewster could play there by this year, plus there’s always Proctor (blech). So I think someone like Ducasse would be a lot more valuable to them because he could theoretically serve as a backup to OT, if not right away, then maybe at some point this year. That would help them churn the bottom of the OL depth charts, which looks pretty crumby.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on Ducasse
but I think he, Brown and Safford will all be gone. Maybe I’m wrong, and I’d love for one of them to drop, but we are pretty far back in the second round.
An interesting scenario is if Jerry, Asamoah and Campbell are all still on the board. I think Asamoah is easily the best bet to have a good career of the three, but also probably has the lowest ceiling. At this point, I really want a sure thing, so I would push for Asamoah there.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Not sure Campbell has the handwork skills/training to come right in and be an effective blocker at the guard spot if someone got hurt. And he definitely doesn’t have enough experience right now to play OT. Guess it just depends what you think of your current crop of OL depth and how long you think it would take to train up Campbell. His ceiling is higher, but I certainly wouldn’t mind locking down the LG for a while.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Jags GM on the Alualu pick
“I don’t give a damn about perception. I care about picking the right player for our team. My attitude is, ‘You can outsmart people some of the time, but you can outwork them all of the time.’ If you can’t trust your ability to judge players after all the work you put in on them, you shouldn’t be in this business.’’
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
As a refresher
Here are the players that visited the Cowboys before the draft:
LSU S Chad Jones
South Florida S Nate Allen
Florida C Maurkice Pouncey
Ole Miss OL John Jerry
Missouri State TE Clay Harbor.
Illinois WR Arrelious Benn
UMass OT Vladimir Ducasse
Indiana (Pa.) DB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Cal DE Tyson Alualu
Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant
Penn State LB Sean Lee
Penn State LB Navarro Bowman
LSU WR Brandon LaFell
Kentucky FB John Conner
Idaho OG Mike Iupati
Penn State DE Jared Odrick
Wake Forest CB Brandon Ghee
Georgia Tech S Morgan Burnett
Ohio University WR Taylor Price
USC S Taylor Mays
Maryland OT Bruce Campbell
Rutgers CB Devin McCourty
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
talent wise, I'd be okay with it
but he and Sensabaugh are both sort of tweeners between FS and SS. I think Mays is much better in coverage than Roy Williams was, though.
Ghee could go around 60, but he doesn’t really fit our needs.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think someone will take Mays earlier.
I would be a little upset because we’d have 2 SS it seems like.
Ghee has been interesting to me. He seems like one of those CBs that gets underrated for some reason and then one of the better drafting teams take him and in the fall we’re all wondering how he fell. I don’t quite understand though because he played in a Big6 conference, ran a 4.45 40 (in a year where the best was a 4.42 by Kyle Wilson), and has good size at almost 6’, 192 lbs. There’s some thought that he doesn’t have great man coverage skills, but someone with good speed like that should at least make for a very nice Cover2 guy.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was smaller
I guess I could get excited about that pick. The run at CBs at the end of round one might push him up the boards today, though.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah.
I don’t think the Cowboys take him because they have needs that they didn’t address in the first (and now don’t have a third). If they had taken OL or FS in the first, then he would have made sense either late 2nd or anywhere in the third for the Cowboys (via trade up or trade down).
Still, the Cowboys do play a decent amount of man, so if he truly is more of a Cover2 guy, then I won’t be upset that they pass on him.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot about Chad and Reshad Jones.
I think of Chad has having the potential to be similar to Sensi, though he’ll need some time to get there. LSU used him some as a deep safety, and he’s got decent speed and good skills on the ball in the air, but I think you’d be happiest if he was your SS. His best skills are closing burst and hitting, I just don’t think he will embarrass himself in coverage unless he’s asked to go up against a Welker type that every safety has trouble covering. 4 year player who’s supposed to be pretty bright (also a baseball player).
Reshad Jones seems like a pure SS to me. Not really interested.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
We can probably go ahead and cross off Price, Benn, and LaFell too.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I could see making a move for Ducasse or one of the safeties.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
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