Some Monday afternoon linkaliciousness
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 2:16 PM CDT
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Rany Jazayerli thinks Trey Hillman handled Gil Meche terribly, and is going to be fired soon. I will be curious to see if all those voices in the D/FW media who were demanding Hillman be hired back in 2007, then were convinced Hillman would have been a better hire than Washington the first couple of years Wash was manager, will be advocating having Hillman take the reins as manager here, once he's no longer a Royal.
The other day, Rob Johnson made the final out in a one run loss for the Mariners. I couldn't understand why he wasn't pinch hit for. According to this story, Ken Griffey, Jr., couldn't be used as a pinch hitter at that point because he was sleeping in the clubhouse as the game finished up.
I missed Jeff Wilson's mailbag piece last week -- you can check it out here.
I also missed Evan Grant's newsletter last week -- you can check it out here.
Hardball Talk has new Power Rankings up -- the Rangers are 9th.
Brett Perryman has a prospect update piece up at the ESPN Dallas blog.
Darren O'Day has his weekly diary update also up at the ESPN Dallas blog.
Craig Calcaterra suggests that MLB seizing the Rangers will result in everything going into bankruptcy court, and will be a "lose-lose" for baseball, because banks won't want to lend MLB teams money in the future. Given the unique circumstances here, though, and given that the only creditor who is supposedly not playing ball is Monarch, who isn't a lender in the traditional sense and won't be lending money to MLB teams in the future anyway, I have to think this is a minor concern.
Also, if the spread really is only $30 million between what the creditors want and what they are getting, I think if push came to shove, MLB would cover that amount (or a portion of it) rather than allow a bankruptcy court to force MLB to accept Jim Crane, or, for that matter, allow the franchise's books to be exposed to an extensive discovery process.
And for those who ask why Tom Hicks doesn't just cover the $30 million himself...why would he? I mean, seriously, what motivation does he have to do that?
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Craig Calcaterra should just quit...
reporting on this and get back to being the person that breaks the news that the Rangers signed Rich Harden.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 10, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
He is the anti-Maury Brown
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
But he was right
about how much difficulty the sale faced going through. After everyone (including me) wondered why he was being so down on the sale process, now we know he was on to something. That said, if I want to know something about the business side of baseball, it’s to Maury I go.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
No one said it would be easy
Except for Chuck who was more than likely just not going to talk about the struggles to the media. Calcaterra has said this entire time that the sale would not only be going through many roadblocks to get done, but that Greenberg wouldn’t end up as the owner.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Maybe he has a contact
with the Monarch group.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on May 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't shock me
since just about every thing he’s reported is always pretty damn negative about the sale and predicts more doom and gloom on the way.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Well, that's how he writes though
he’s entertaining, but you wouldn’t want him handling 911 calls.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
and he wasn't wrong about there being a possibility
however slim, of Greenberg not ending up the owner. You can argue he put too much weight on that possibility, but he was not wrong about it.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Well there's a possibility of many things happenings
If we’re talking about even remote chances of something happening. The fact that Greenberg is going to own this club with Nolan and that has never really been up in the air past some “This could happen” talk makes him pretty wrong in my eyes.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yet he has been
right fairly often.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Did Trey Hillman publicly snub you, Adam?
You seem to reserve a special kind of dislike for him.
Anybody see the link on Lookoutlanding that talks about Griffey being unavailable to pinch hit because he was asleep in the clubhouse?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Isn't his
craptasticness enough to dislike him?
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I don't dislike him
I find it ironic, though, that after so many in 2007 and 2008 were railing about how the Rangers blew it by not hiring him, he’s become a walking punchline for managerial ineptitude.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
And you've never been wrong about anything right?
one example, mendoza is such a great pitcher right?
Hey, its steel home
At first I thought you were “steal home,” but then I noticed you spell it different.
That’s great, too, because I didn’t like that steal home jackass. You’re pretty cool, though.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
He's Adam vonMarriagesmasher and he does what he damn well pleases!
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Awww...why did you delete it AJM?
That had potential.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Indeed.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on May 10, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This also is interesting to me
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
It's not like Ron Washington could be termed a good hire.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Yes I do
I think there are many reasons why you could call it a good hire. I think there are reasons you might not, but the comment that it “could not be termed a good hire” is just dumb.
seriously?
You can’t think of a single reason why he might be termed a good hire? Not one? Really?
well you have an opinion that nobody here agrees with
support that opinion or abandon it as rediculous
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The team is winning
and was doing way better than expected last season. The players love him and despite some head scratching in-game moves, he seems to have a net positive effect on the team as a whole. To me, that’s a good hire for manager. Is he the best guy for the job? That’s another question.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
way worse than expected
in 2007. If he gets credit for doing way better than expected last season — does he not get “punished” for way worse than expected then?
by elvis1isking on May 10, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
But I don’t put as much weight on that since we’re talking a first year manager on a new team.
In general, I think managers get way too much credit and way too much blame as it is. For me, the biggest thing a manager can do to be considered good is to maange the personalities on the team and to not put players in a position to fail or get injured. I think in the end, Wash has done a good job with that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That's not the question
the question was, can he be considered a good hire. I’d say a guy that won 87 games with a very limited payroll could easily be argued as a good hire. You may disagree, but you’d at least see the point right?
I think it's a bad point
I think Wash has made some very curious moves and while Hillman’s handling of Meche was very stupid — Wash has done some very stupid things too.
I think Hillman has been a terrible manager, and I think Wash has been a bad manager.
I don’t really think Wash deserves credit for having better players than Hillman and by extension having a better record than him.
by elvis1isking on May 10, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
how much better did we
actually do last year than everybody expected I think the whole plan was to have a competitive 09 and go out with the intentions of winning it in ’10
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What difference does that make?
He did better than expected. He probably was better than expected in all but 2007.
Let me be very clear here. I’m not even saying he was a good hire. I’m just saying there are plenty of reasons you can say that.
Thats my argument dude
we didn’t really do better than expected, we finished 10 games out of first
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick break ups are always the best idea
by lost in space on May 10, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I have a feeling blueballs will be stalking me for weeks though
Thats what you get for going to the strip club
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
Exactly
You bothered to type it out, I assumed anyone that doesn’t get that is beyond discussing it with anyway.
Yup
To say it’s a bad hire, fine. But to say there’s no reason why anyone could disagree with that conclusion is the tipping point. No reason to discuss the issue with that fuckcicle anymore.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I wouldn't go that far
He wins with the team. that’s pretty much enough for me.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
If Adam is referring to an article written in 2007 or 2008, those years
weren’t on Ron Washington’s reel of Managerial Highlights.
Anybody remember the 23-42 start to ’07? The 7-16 start in ’08? Leading MLB in errors and unearned runs allowed?
A couple of really dumb baseball teams and that was before Ron’s dalliance…“for the first time” with cocaine and a failed drug test.
I can see why…at the time, 2008…some in the local media (Hillman is from the area) would pine for Trey Hillman or say he would have been a good candidate to manage the Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Well that's not what you said
You said he can’t be termed a good hire. You didn’t say he couldn’t be termed a good hire in 2007 and 2008. I’d still probably disagree.
He was a bad hire...period.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Except
Hillman would have been worse.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Can't even say that
Who the hell knows how Hillman would have been (I was against him) but you can’t positively say Hillman in a Rangers uniform would have been worse. Maybe Wash would have been worse with the Royals. Can’t say.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I think he could have,
he was just hired for the wrong position.
by lost in space on May 10, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
now I have tired head
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on May 10, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
you talking about the end of the world thing?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then have a nap.
AND THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on May 10, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If by equal
You mean tons worse than Warsh, then yeah – equal
I love simpleton math
it’s what I excel at
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 10, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Tom Hicks should cover the 30 million
because its his fault that 30 million is owed. He won’t do that though because he isn’t legally bound to waste 30 million dollars and I can’t really blame him for that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
If
you feel like he should cover the $30MM why wouldn’t you advocate him covering the whole spread between the $270MM offer to the creditors and the $550MM that was originally owed? The lenders should bear a risk for lending to an entity that was over leveraged.
Wait
Tom Hicks is at fault because his company was loaned money and then the company defaulted?
Huh?
He's at fault
because he’s the one that caused this whole mess and caused the 550 million dollar debt. I don’t think that’s too hard to understand.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
blame for what?
being owed money?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Lending the money
Some of you people have no idea how the world works do you?
Upon further reading the posts below
I’ve realized how little I know on this subject. I shall now humbly retreat to become one with my humiliation.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Sorry
you got caught up in my arguments below.
So there is no point to forming companies now, according to you, I suppose?
Because we should always just hold directors personally responsible for every business decision?
Do what you want
If you want to form a company, go for it. But when you use that company to help you take out a 550 million dollar loan to buy a soccer team and then can’t pay back anything, you will get the blame.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So the creditors are blameless?
And it’s all Tom Hicks deliberately being evil?
And this has nothing to do with what I want. I’m asking you – you honestly don’t believe that companies should offer any protection to their owners? Do you own any stock? If that company goes under, should you have to contribute a few hundred bucks to their creditors?
If the reason the company went under
was pretty much my fault for taking out butt loads of loans that I could never pay off, then yeah, I would deserve to be blamed and have people tell me I should pay.
Like I said though, I don’t blame Hicks for not voluntarily paying 30 million dollars when there is no reason for him to spend it, but I do think that he is the one that should be paying it (if it gets paid).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So Hicks is at fault for failing to see a global economic collapse?
And that means he should pay $30 million to a creditor of some company?
Yes
He is at fault for failing to see a global economic collapse. That is exactly what I have said this entire time. Its nothing about using HSG to buy a 3rd sports franchise when you have yet to pay off debt on the other franchises or about how much debt he would have to pay off after buying that 3rd sports franchise.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Ok
So you own 100 shares of stock in Chrysler in 2008 through today. Chrysler fails to see a collapse. How much money do you perosnally owe the Fed today? I want a dollar amount, because you obviously believe Hicks owes $30 million out of his pocket.
You're missing his point..
He’s holding Hicks to a higher standard than someone with a mere “ownership interest” since Hicks was pulling all the strings.
Legally, you’re spot-on; ethically, he’s right, but that and $5 will but you a Starbucks latte.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Ethically the lenders share some blame.
They should have done some GD due dilligence and stop whining that Tom Hicks is the problem.
Sure, they might deserve some blame
But the borrower deserves way more of the blame.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And I'm not talking about legal responsibility
as I know Hicks has none in this. I just think its completely justified for people to say he “should” pay the 30 million dollars.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Couldn't disagree more.
Monarch took a gamble – their gamble is not paying off. They absolutely should be on the hook for that money.
If I loan you 100 bucks
and we have a deal that you’ll pay that back, but then when its time to pay me back you say you’ll give me 70 bucks back, is that just my gamble not paying off?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Okay
They just loaned HIS COMPANY that HE FORMED of which he is the CEO and the main decision maker. The fact that he does this all under the company name doesn’t mean shit to me. It means something legally, but you don’t seem to understand that I’m not talking about legal responsibility here.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't think it's ethically ok either.
Monarch is taking a hit because they are not being able to collect $30 million out of $100 million that they bought for $10 million. I’m ok with Tom Hicks not being forced to cover that shortfall.
If the creditors wanted him to be personally liable...
…they should have made him sign a personal guaranty, which is what creditors do when they want to make sure that someone in Hicks’ position can’t just leave the company holding the bag.
Almost every small business owner has to do this. I had to sign personal guarantees for our office lease and the lease for our copier.
The fact that the lenders didn’t do that meant that they were choosing instead to charge higher rates of interest, because they were assuming a greater likelihood of default. It is their fault, not Hicks’.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And that's how it works out legally
But that still doesn’t change my opinion that Hicks is largely personally responsible for this mess and the large amount of debt HSG has and that I can completely understand why people would say he should be on the line for the 30 million.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
No
that’s how it works in the real world. Not your fantasy world.
that's pretty unamerican
there’s a reason we don’t hold people personally liable for debts in this country and make it easy for people to fail at businesses and rebound.
And that's where things differ
You recognize that’s how it works legally. The fact you personally think Hicks should have to pay is irrelevant since no one can make him. I’d like to sell Hicks’ organs to get this thing done but it won’t happen.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
How is that
relevent
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
HSG should pay the money, but HSG is out of money.
If I loaned your company money and your company folded, I wouldn’t expect you to personally pay me back.
Unless you could pierce the corporate veil
But I’m sure Hicks had an army of attorneys and accountants making sure that could never happen.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
It's a bad example anyways.
It should be: Gdawg loaned my company $100 and my company goes under.
Gdawg thinks the money is lost and doesn’t want to try to collect, so he sells the right to that $100 to bdavison94 for $10.
bdavison94 can collect $70, but naturally wants the full $100 so is fighting for it.
Investors take gambles
Today, most of those gambles are either victories or bailed out by the government – so long as they’re big enoug hand “dangerous” enough to stability.
You as a stock holder
can vote on the BOD that guides the company. So, you as a shareholder carry your X% of the blame as much as they do.
it gets you
100 votes out of the outstanding shares
Actually it does, you just don't have enough votes to sway anyone
I own 20 shares of ExxonMobil and I just voted them last week.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
And all this talk about Boggs being hot
somehow, no one mentioned he was 0 for his last 13???
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
DFA his ass
or even worse, trade him to the Royals!
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Junior sleeping during the game
and Milton’s problems. Is Wakamatsu on the hot seat also?
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
No way. He took over a 61-101 team and improved by 24 games in one year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
And yet
in a year where they were expected to contend, they have stumbled hard out of the gate and have players doing stupid things like what Bradley and Griffey have done.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Bradley
Is a psycho, and has a history of doing stupid things everywhere he has gone. Griffey on the other hand is a legend in Seattle. He is like Chet Steadman in Rookie of the year. Washed up former great that no one has the guts to get rid of.
who expected them
to contend? they started the season off with three DH’s two of which are 40 and haven’t really produced offensively in a few years
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Z's genius was being widely extolled across the land
before the season. When he landed Cliff Lee, I think the expectation to contend was there and rightly so.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Lee is a great pitcher
but I don’t think that exactly addressed a need
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 10, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Who really needs a TORP anyway?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You only need 1, obviously
Lee = useless redundancy.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 10, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
OK ass
they had two and were a top ten pitching team last year, clearly if they were going to make a blockbuster deal it needed to be for a TORP
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It addressed a need
in the sense that they needed the best possible pitching they could get to make up for having no offense and and a weakened defense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
even with great pitching
you still have to score a few runs here and there. A pair of runs per game is not going to cut it.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Bull.
Shit.
I never did and never will take the Mariners seriously, not with that (lack of an) offense
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that settles it
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 10, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you miss this offseason
The Mariners were the trendy pick to win the West this year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by who?
great 5 starters but beyond that the team is junk
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to look this up for you
Do a search here for some preseason picks if you want. If you think I’m just making this up, then whatever.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
When do the Ms trade Cliff Lee
and where do they go?
Los Angeles Angels?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Why the would they do that?
If the Mariners aren’t planning to contend next year, then they’ll need to trade Lee to a team that has some prospects to trade. The Angels aren’t that team.
I’m not sure if they even will trade Lee. If the Mariners thought they could go for it this year, then they might still think their window of opportunity is still there for the next few years once they clear some garbage off their roster. They could just extend Lee and have him and Felix lead the rotation for the next few years while attempting to build an offense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
so you suggest we're a better fit...
on paper, this is true; but I’d have to think there’s no way they’d trade in the division; yet, I’ve seen it happen recently, I just can’t recall when and who
Personally, I’m hoping for a Greinke mid-year trade after he holds the GM hostage for lack of a supporting cast
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 10, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee is light years better than Ismael Valdez.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I can't imagine the Mariners and Rangers teaming up on a trade for Lee
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Or they could trade Lee...
…and then re-sign him after the season.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
possible, but
I don’t think that happens much with players who are looking at a good pay day in the offseason.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It doesn't look like Lee will be back in Seattle next season.
At least not right now.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
ESPN, to begin with.
Since we’re contending no one picked them and not worrying about credibility at this point.
Though ESPN did use ZiPS instead of just pulling it out of their ass. They didn’t run enough simulations, though.
well I just googled it
and the first four I read and pecota non of them picked Seattle some of them had Sea 2 and that is still very possible, hell they still have a good chance to win the damn thing
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Doing 100 instead of 1000 was my call. Because of the necessities of a print deadline that’s a month before the start of the season, the minimal increase you get doing 1000 for team wins (for things like team runs scored and allowed, 1000 is definitely better) wasn’t worth having the depth charts and lineups even more out-of-date.
With a later date, the Mariners would’ve had fewer wins as a few of the assumptions (Garko on the team and playing OK, Bedard managing to get on the field at some point during the season, Cliff Lee having more than 2 starts by mid-May) either didn’t happen or haven’t happened yet.
I did do 1000 sims with April 1 depth charts (these weren’t published as they fell into the exclusivity window in my contract):
Texas – 84.7
Seattle – 83.2
Oakland – 81.8
Los Angeheim – 78.6
--
Dan Szymborski
BTF
Dan on ESPN Insider
by D.Szymborski on May 10, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I thougth I had actually read you wondering why they did 100 instead of 1,000.
My bad. How long does it take to run a simulation?
Also, how did you find this?
Heh, that wasn’t me, unless I’ve contracted multiple personality disorder and haven’t noticed yet.
Takes about 60 hours to run 1000 seasons if there are no interruptions and the script usually gets messed up by some popup alert at some point.
Predicting seasons is a nightmare. It’s hard enough to predict performance and predicting wins is performance, plus all the stuff that’s an absolutely nightmare to predict. Generally, I’m just happy if I didn’t pick the WS winner to finish below .500.
Also, how did you find this?Being moderately self-absorbed + Google Alerts = Win.
Actually would’ve found it anyway – reading all the SBN blogs takes too much time, so I search for topics that I’m interested in talking about.
--
Dan Szymborski
BTF
Dan on ESPN Insider
by D.Szymborski on May 11, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I would not have expected it takes that long.
I’m assuming that’s how Keith Law always finds us talking about him, too.
Not by me.
I had them at 77-85 but I’m not sure they win that many.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
A lot of people expected them to contend.
Smart people, too. I disagreed with them (not that I thought the Mariners couldn’t, I just didn’t expect it), but that doesn’t make them dumb, and they certainly existed.
they were seen by many as the team
who could contend if they got any offense at all. so far, they haven’t, and haven’t.
OTOH, the Angels were considered the team to beat by nearly everyone, even though they looked like crap on paper. Some even said that they had the best rotation in the AL, much less the division. (laugh all you want). The expectation was that their lineup was solid, their rotation was good, and their bullpen and defense sucked. plus, as the defending champions the onus was on another team to kick them to the curve.
Much as I love our rangers, the real suprise to me has been the A’s. Their offense has had fewer holes than ours (Jake Fox, Rajai Davis, and Eric Patterson and Eric Chavez) and their rotation (outside of Sheets) has been good. though they now have lost both Anderson and the Duke…. Plus their Pen has been lights out.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
That team would have regressed quite a bit
even with Hillman managing.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
For all the hype Jack Z got
I think most of the fault is going to fall on Wak. He was given a “well-constructed” team and they are now underperforming. The ones at fault here are the players and the GM for not giving Wak a single power hitter. Given that Seattle had (and still has) a lot of resources (both financial and in the form of young talent), the GM could’ve done better than gambling on the likes of Bradley and Mike Sweeney.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
At first, I really envisioned Griffey sleeping in the dugout.
God that would be amazing.
by lost in space on May 10, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So just went to LoL
and read Griffey really did fall asleep, but in the clubhouse, not the dugout.
Good fucking gracious, how do you not cut bait at that point?
by lost in space on May 10, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Very nice comment from hardballtalk.com
9. Rangers: David Murphy has exploded and Tommy Hunter and Derek Holland stand ready to contribute. You get the sense that, before now, the team has been playing with one hand tied behind its back. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
That gave me a chuckle.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on May 10, 2010 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I enjoyed that comment way more than a normal human should.
Sometimes I think I’m nerdier than I even realize.
Considering how much time I spend on an online blog about the Texas Rangers...
Yeah, I think so.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on May 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
so many, many wasted work hours...
well, wasted to my work. Not to me. I got paid for it…
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Just think how productive this country would be if the working class
you know, actually worked during the day.
a working class hero is nothing to be
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Liking Star Wars isn't that nerdy.
I have Mc Frontalot and 'SCIENCE!' from theThomas Dolby song
And, yeah, you need to watch Firefly. Good stuff in there.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
BLASPHEMER!!!!
Go. NOW. get the dvd’s. do NOT come back until you have.
grrr…… but first, turn in your nerd card….
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
it's dirkatron's personal fave, so there must be a lot of explosions and what not
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 10, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Except its really not
The movie was much more action packed than the series was, the series has always been pretty cerebral.
I think my favorite scene was the duel at the end of the episode Shindig, especially the end, when he keeps stabbing the guy, but just a little.
Mal: Sure. It would be humiliating. Having to lie there while the better man refuses to spill your blood. Mercy is the mark of a great man. (lightly stabs Atherton with the sword) Guess I’m just a good man. (stabs him again) Well, I’m all right.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I'm not a big sci-fi guy, but I've about decided I need to rent Firefly and watch it
I like the whole “Western in space” idea. Plus Adam Baldwin is such a badass and Summer Glau….so freaking hot.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
You'll be surprised, in most episodes she's the third or fourth best on there
Jewel Staite is a winner, and Morena Bacarin is crazy hot.
And you get Christina Hendricks for, like, half of the episodes.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Also, Nathan Fillion out-badasses the universe
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Whoa, the hottiness abounds
I’ve definitely got to watch this.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
If you like Adam Baldwin in Chuck
You will love him in Firefly. Plus, the characters aren’t so afraid of him there so he’s made fun of a bit more. It makes the dynamic so much more fun.
Though he’s got some great lines. “Lets go be bad guys” from the movie is just classic.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
His best line in the entire series:
You know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I go get and beat you with ‘til ya understand who’s in ruttin’ command here.
Heh
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 10, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well in this case
I actually invoked it last summer on DMN in reference to dealing Feliz and Smoak a couple of times, linked a picture of the partially finished Death Star and everything.
by Brett Perryman on May 10, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
A little while back...
…I was sitting at my computer reading some website, and Seth was sitting on my lap.
I was scrolling through an article, and there was a picture of the Death Star next to it.
Seth pointed to it, and said, “Moon! Moon!”
I turned to him and said, “That’s not a moon…that’s a space station!”
He had no idea what I was talking about, but I found it amusing.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
so now I picture the emporer
saying “I have foreseen it.”
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
That's awesome
but I still can’t get past Bud Selig being the evil emperor
Oh those Lil' Hillmans!
And Grif, WTF dude?!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
LOL
Griffey needed an old man nap…
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I found that equally funny and sad
Funny on the hand that the dude said to hell with this and went back to nap at his locker. The sad part is how he was once the best player in baseball, and is now hanging on too long and is about to get ousted from the team that he had his HOF years with.
yup
like it or not.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Bill James also argued Craig Biggio.
Though I think he’s come down from that statement with more research.
I’m not sure who I’d take second, I haven’t looked at the 90s that closely. Could be Griffey, but I think I’d probably side with a pitcher, likely Maddux.
He was up there...
There was nobody that I was more scared of coming into TBiA and killing the Rangers… of course, the Mariners owned the Rangers back then.
As opposed to next week, when they own 1/30th of us.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Adam,
Are you saying that because Hicks is already a pariah, he has no reason to make himself appear to be less one by paying his debts? Probably true, but we also know that Hicks is delusional and probably doesn’t realize he’s a pariah.
No
I’m saying they aren’t his debts, they are HSG’s debts.
He has no more obligation to pony up and pay HSG’s debts than Enron stockholders did to pay Enron’s debts.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
People forget that
Hicks is owed money by HSG as well.
I like the Enron comp here.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on May 10, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the problem with your statement
Debtors want $300MM and HSG wants to pay $270MM. But the total sales price is $500MM+. So where does the other $200-$230MM go? Other investors I’m sure but also to Hicks for the property portion. I still say the debate is Hicks fighting about how much that property is worth and claiming it’s worth $30MM more than the investors think. Hicks could fold on this issue and it would be done. So really, Hicks would be paying the extra $30MM by admitting the property isn’t worth as much as he’s claiming.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
whups
More than the investors creditors think.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
If it were that simple
I would think the gap would have been bridged by now. Which is why I assume it’s something much more complicated than just shuffling around the two values.
It's not exactly that simple
1) Hicks wants his $30MM. He’d really like it. I would too.
2) Hicks, in retrospect, doesn’t like the deal with Greenberg. He’d like to reopen things to see if he can get more $$ or more control from someone. That’s why he’s stonewalling on the $30MM issue, backdoor negotiating with Crane and issuing statements about how the deal won’t get done.
3) Greenberg won’t force the issue since Hicks is his future, possible business partner. Hicks has shown in the past he’ll dick over his business partners. The time I’m thinking of is when he bought the soccer team with his 50% partner, got an offer to sell at a profit, refused and I think ticked that guy off.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Sure
Hicks won’t hand over the $30MM, but if it were that simple MLB would.
what part of "I don't have to pay $30 MILLION if I don't want to" do you not understand?
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on May 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
the part where he won't do it out of the kindness of his heart
he is a kind man, am I wrong?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 10, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
I don’t think Hillman is the messiah or anything but is there a manager in baseball that could have done a better job? I think harping on the Hillman vs. Wash thing is kind of petty I don’t think Hillman would have done any worse than Wash has. I think that managing pitchers workloads would be a predictable shortcoming of a college coach
Hillman is far worse at managing his bullpen than wash is
and he puts together a lot dumber lineups than wash does
by Jason Brynsvold on May 10, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, he was managing the Royals
So, we should reserve judgment until we see him manage a major league team, really.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
agreed, the royals are awful
but he certainly isn’t helping the team win more games
by Jason Brynsvold on May 10, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
it could definitely
be a major case of over managing due to lack of talent
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont make any for him
I think he has had more talent than Hillman but I don’t necessarily believe we have “GREATLY” under performed record wise, unless of course he doesn’t win at least 88 games this year
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, because shitty managerial decisions don't count if your team is miserably bad.
by LiamP on May 10, 2010 2:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
More of a Posnaski theme about the endemic of suckiness that sits over the entire Royals franchise
(Outside of Soria, Butler, and Greinke)
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Their farm isn't bad at all, but that's not the point.
Why do I have to wait until he leaves the Royals to form a conclusion? Shitty moves are shitty moves regardless of what team you’re managing.
by LiamP on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you actually think I was being serious about that?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Yeah, it was a hose. Most of what I put on here is a hose.
Unless I’m talking about Face.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
I have no idea
of why on earth are some Royals fans calling for Butler to traded? This is not Chris DAAAAvis and his one fluky season, Billy Butler is for real.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Seriously?
Of course, you could probably scrape the bottom of the DMN and find some guys ready to dump Holland and Feliz, so I’m not too surprised.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Feliz is overrated /Finnerty
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Yes
any manager could have done a better job this side of Dusty Baker since no one else in baseball kills a pitcher’s arm like Hillman can.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I looked it up.
As much as people (especially in here) like to rag on Dusty, nobody from Cincy has thrown more than 121 pitches in a game this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
good job Dusty
He’s gone a month without destroying a talented arm.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
This year
But Washington has never had a starter throw 127 pitches until Harrison’s start. It hadn’t happened since RA Dickey threw 131 in a start in 2004 under Buck Showalter.
Here’s a game in which the starter (Cueto, a rookie) threw 119 in five innings.
Here’s a 120-pitch outing from Cueto in his rookie year.
Here’s one where Baker leaves Zambrano out there for 128 pitches in the third-to-last game with the Cubs 17 1/2 games back.
Here’s a 136-pitch Zambrano outing under Baker.
Here, Baker left Zambrano out there for 128 pitches in 6.0 innings.
Mark Prior, 133 pitches in 6.2 innings with Baker in charge. (Also, a pair of 131-pitch starts in that same month… he threw 757 pitches in six starts that month.)
Here, Baker leaves Kerry Wood out for 141 pitches in 7 innings.
I wonder if he realizes not every pitcher he has can take pitch counts quite the way Livan Hernandez can.
Appreciate all the fine research but I very clearly said "this year."
I remember the RA Dickey 131 pitch start (v Boston on a Sunday night) and he was toast after that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
But do you remember
June 16, 1994.
I’ll give you a hint: vs Oakland….
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Rusty Greer walk-off? I think he hit one that year.
Dunno, this was the Kevin Kennedy Era and the year of the strike.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
remember we were talking about pitch counts.
June 16, the major league debut of 24 year old John Dettmer. Kevin Kennedy lets him pitch 8.2 innings, giving up 10 hits, 6 runs (4 earned) and lets him throw 139 pitches. Dettmer’s career lasts 8 more starts and 2 relief appearences that year and one appearence the next before getting traded to the Orioles, never to be seen again.
through 1994, he had been 35-7 in the minors over 60 starts, completing 11, with 4 shutouts and an ERA of 2.59 over 4 levels.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
The point
was that Washington is in his fourth year of managing and this is the first time a starter has thrown that many pitches in his tenure. Dusty Baker has made a career of running pitchers out there for longer than that since 1996. Just because the highest pitch count for anyone on the Reds this year is 121 doesn’t change Baker’s history of arm damage.
Meanwhile, other than Harrison’s 127-pitch start, the highest pitch count for a Ranger this year is 117, thrown by Feldman and Lewis.
Lesson learned.
Good for you. Joe Mauer says hi.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
what pitchers have
underperformed under Hillman? or had some sort of career debilitating injury
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Grienke, obviously.
The guy can’t even win a game.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on May 10, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
could you imagine if I was serious?
What is sad though, is that you know the casual fan would look at Grienke’s W/L record and think he was a scrub
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on May 10, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Gil Meche
If Hillman keeps using him for 130 pitches a game, he won’t even be able to be on the mound to get his ass kicked.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
he used him in the same way last season
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And how did that end up?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'm assuming you didn't read Rany's piece...
…because one of his points is that Meche has been crap since a couple of 120+ pitch outings last summer.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Rany's piece is bullsh
look at his game logs from last year I will admit that Meche does usually have a bad start after one of his 120+ pitch outings but it didn’t affect his whole season he had plenty of quality starts after that, he is after all Gil Meche
by blueballlefty on May 10, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
When...
…Joe Posnanski, Rob Neyer, and Razy Jazayerli are all condemning you as being teh suck, that says a lot, to me.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And as a point of clarification...
…I should have said, when the topic is the Royals, since those three follow the Royals about as closely as anyone does.
by Adam J. Morris on May 10, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you of anybody that champions the genius of Ron Washington
as a baseball manager?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Quit being a jerk
AJM has questioned Wash often. He just doesn’t think he should be fired solely for coke usage and there’s a lot that agree with that.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
He seems to think Washington is clearly a better manager than Hillman and
also makes it a point to throw tomatoes at him whenever he can.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You make it a point to throw tomatoes
at any deal JD does. I really don’t see the difference.
You and I can agree that Wash isn’t the right man for the job and should be fired though.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Not true. I like Vlad & D Oliver.
Cobra Lewis looks good now (let’s see how he does when not pitching against Seattle).
I liked O’Day before all of that and I loved the boldness of the Smoak to The Show / shit-canning of Chris Davis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Is Troy Glaus still on the DL?
Same deal with Nick Johnson, right? If JD had signed either of those, there’d be no Vlad.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Yes, he does seem to think Wash is a better manager than Hillman
But that’s a hell of a lot different than saying he thinks Wash is overall a managerial genius.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
So we're talking degrees of suck?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)