OT: Country music, etc.
On the morning thread we had a nice little discussion going about country music, what qualifies as country, today's mainstream country sucking, and more. I thought a fanpost would be a nice idea to keep the discussion going as long as we please, rather than it getting lost in the morning thread and then getting pushed down the front page.
A few topics for discussion (though by no means comprehensive):
1. Great classic country artists - George Jones, Buck Owens, Charley Pride, Ferlin Husky, Lefty Frizzell, Johnny Horton, Hank Williams, Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clark, etc.
2. Great newer artists who are keeping the tradition alive and putting out great country music despite the fact that mainstream radio doesn't want to play it: Dwight Yoakam, Steve Earle, Robert Earl Keen, Lyle Lovett, etc.
3. Alternative country, country-rock, and other great stuff on the "fringe" that deserves more love for continuing and propagating the roots behind country music: Ryan Adams, Gram Parsons/Byrds/Flying Burrito Brothers, Wilco, etc.
4. What defines good "country" music? To me, at the heart it needs to be "real." It doesn't have to be rural per se, but it needs to feel like it's something about real people that is relatable. And while I'm not opposed to mixing in novelty and "fun" songs, I want my country artists to be great story tellers. Don't just play "country music mad libs" (IMO, that defines mainstream country radio today, just mix good ol' boy/Christian/pro-America comments into a song and you're good to go [keep in mind that I am a patriotic, good ol' boy Christian myself, so I am not opposed to any of those things, just their patronizing use in music]) tell us a story.
I'll leave it at that for a starting point and see where the discussion takes us.
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The twangier the better, the honky tonk golden era
I like the old country, I’ve sung most of category 1. up there karaoke. Fun stuff.
But really, as in any music genre, “good” is in the ear of the beholder. I think there are good and bad songs in every one of this three general categories up there, and some really bad songs are among my favorites in many genres of music, not just country. Taste in music is just as subjective as taste in women and food.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys
one of my dad’s (and by proxy) my favorite. Nothing like a little yodeling!
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I can never have too much Bob Wills in my life
Love me some Western Swing. Lots of good newer artists around too. If you ever get the chance to hear some Jody Nix, Jake Hooker, or Bobby Flores, do it.
Jody’s dad, Hoyle, was one of Bob Wills’ fiddle players (and wrote “Big Balls in Cowtown”) and Bob himself taught Jody to play. Jody’s probably 60 or so know, I’ve seen him and danced to him dozens of times.
Bobby Flores played fiddle for Ray Price before striking out on his own, he’s probably in his 40s. He’s got a killer, smooth sound and loves to mix a Spanish flair into his music. His Spanish-tinged cover of Bob’s “South of the Border” is amazing.
Jake Hooker is one of the few singers who also plays the upright bass. He was in Bobby Flores’ band and now has Jake Hooker & the Outsiders. Great stuff. He’s got a great voice for singing mournful country tunes.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
My family has some connection to the Texas Playboys.
Johnson County rightfully gets a lot of shit, but in the eighties if you’d go to those tiny towns past Cleburne you’d find these small bars/clubs with old men playing some great music inside. My grandfather was one of them and he’d take me to hang out sometimes. It left a big impression on me.
by Black Francis on May 14, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob Wills
This is very un-Texan of me, but I’ve never really been able to get into his stuff. I can appreciate it, but I will never sit down and listen to it. As far as yodeling goes, I will stop down for a little Jimmie Rogers.
Same as you, my favorite of all time is because of my dad. The great Merle Haggard – who, ironically, was heavliy influenced by Bob Wills.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wills, legendary drunk
like many country stars of the 50s, 60s, 70s
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Try...
Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys – For the Last Time…
As a bonus for you, it has Merle in there. Unfortunately, Bob had had a couple of strokes at this point, was basically bedridden, and all he contributed was a couple of hollers. But it was a who’s who of every iteration of the Playboys that ever was, plus a couple of guests like Merle. Several instrumentals with the classic twin-fiddle sound that are as good as any ever put on tape.
I'll check it out
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
this
Bob was my dad’s all time fave too. I don’t know how many old vinyls I got of his.
Where's my wallet?!?!?
do you know
of the Twangbangers? Bill Kirchen and Redd Volkertt eat it up on teles and Dallas Wayne singing and playing acoustic guitar. Generic bass and drums. Kirchen was the guitar player for Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airman. They re did that song “Hot Rod Lincoln” He does it now and it is his encore. Redd just tears up the Telecaster. and Dallas is a great bar room singer and songwriter. He has a show on XM radio also.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Bart Crow
I am not sure what defines good country music, but I really like Bart Crow as one of the new Texas Country guys.
Big Crow fan myself, he's at the upper echelon of the new Texas country artists in my book
“Wear My Ring” and “Understand” are great tunes.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Yep
There are so many new guys on the Texas scene, but Bart Crow stands out.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I've said before...
…that I think I’m one of the few people who is a huge fan of both Prince and Don Williams.
by Adam J. Morris on May 14, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Don Williams at the Texas Hall of Fame in Bryan-College Station on a Friday night in the fall of 2003: one of the greatest experiences of my life
I absolutely love Don. When I was in high school, my friends and I would sit in one buddy’s pickup (a 1970 Ford F100 with a straight-six engine, three-on-the-tree transmission) and listen to his Don Williams tape over and over at lunch.
He also had an external PA hooked up to his CB radio, so we’d occasionally broadcast “Good Ol’ Boys Like Me” to the rest of the student body.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Such a cool voice
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No you're not
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Seen them both multiple times.
Good music is good music.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Yeah, I'd call that one a push
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
First off
I want to say O’ Brother is awesome and people are haters. The traditional music, the story telling, and how can you go wrong with John Goodman, John Turturro, and Clooney? Greatness, and I don’t care what anyone says.
About point 3: I’ve got a good bit of both Gram Parsons and Wilco. Not a huge fan of the latter, frankly. But, what they’re doing is good stuff and valuable in that it kind of lets hipster kids listen to country music and still call it cool.
But, in my opinion this music doesn’t have (and you hit the nail on the head, Ag) the heart and soul of the old timers. Or even the newer timers like Dwight.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Agree with all of that
Re: Wilco, I was originally not a big fan and liked Ryan Adams and the Old 97s a LOT better. But they’ve started to grow on me. Some of their stuff is still out there, though. “California Star” and “Casino Queen” rock the house.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
The by all means give Son Volt a chance...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I like their cover of the old trucking song "Looking at the World Through a Windshield" but I've never really heard their other stuff
I need to check them out.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Huge fan of the Coens, Clooney, and Turturro
Big hater of O Brother.
From my experience, it is me, and not you, that is in the minority.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely surprising.
Great dialogue. Probably my fave Coens flick along with ‘Blood Simple’.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Movie rankings
one thing I love.
For the Coens, I’d go…
A Simple Man
The Big Lebowski
Fargo
Miller’s Crossing
Blood Simple
Burn After Reading
No Country for Old Men
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
The Man Who Wasn’t There
The Hudsucker Proxy
Raising Arizona
Intolerable Cruelty
Although I really liked all but the last 3 on the list. Never bothered with their Ladykillers remake.
#1 is a real headscratcher to me
And you forgot Barton Fink, but that’s understandable. It was try-hardy art house crapola, IMO.
I think I’d go:
Miller’s Crossing (by a mile)
Blood Simple
Fargo (significant dropoff after the 1st 3)
No country
Man who wasn’t/Lebowski in a tie
Simple man
AZ (another one I’m in the minority on, but I think is WAY overrated)
O Brother
Burn after reading
The rest I found to be crap. But you did yourself a favor on Ladykillers. I would have bet 6 months mortgage that Tom Hanks and the Coens couldn’t make a movie that egregiously tone deaf. You should check it out like you would a carnival freak show. It is shockingly bad. it makes Intolerable Cruelty look like Annie Hall.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
A Simple Man
was definitely a headscratcher, even to me, but that’s one of the things that made it so incredible. Every scene, every frame, was dripping in subtext that I’m not even sure I understood half the time, and that’s being generous. There’s so much in there about God, math, our place in the universe, that it’s a trip to get through… my initial reaction was split between “What the fuck was that?” and “That was incredible”.
There's a ton of both direct and indirect Jewish humor in it, too.
If unfamiliar, I imagine a lot of the stuff wouldn’t quite compute ~ but maybe I’m wrong about that…
Wait
is this A Serious Man we’re talking about?
I felt incredibly stupid after watching that film, considering I at least mostly understood what went on in their earlier black comedies.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
I assumed we were talking about "A Serious Man," yeah,
and that people were just confusing the title. I don’t think the Coens have made a movie titled “A Simple Man”…?
Going with that: the Jewish humor index was pretty high.
by Josh Garoon on May 15, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it definitely was A Serious Man
Call it a slip of the mind/confusion with A Single Man/general idiocy from yours truly/etc.
I have been much more a fan of the Wilco/Bright Eyes variety
but I also have been a fan of Adam Carroll who is much more in the John Prine territory.
As for Steve Earle never really could get into him, but I went to OzzFest several years ago and he came on as a surprise guest between Soundgarden and Metallica and it was crazy to see the amount of water bottles and everything that was thrown at him. So I have always respected him for at least that.
R.E.K.
might blush if you called him “newer”….
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
I toyed with whether to list him and Steve Earle in the "newer" category but decided to on the basis that they're of a younger generation than the guys in the first category
It’s a shame that many casual observers think of REK and automatically think of “The Road Goes On Forever” and its status as a great party song. While it’s one of the greatest party songs of all time, it’s also a hell of a story song and its just one of many great stories told by REK.
Some of his great songs were written by others, I know, but he’s written some great ones himself and in my opinion, he’s the best storyteller in Texas today.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Mark David Manders
Another great story teller. And he’ll get absolutley shitfaced with you.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He and Max Stalling are two great Texas country story tellers
I’ve seen Manders play our rodeo here in my hometown twice. Dude is a rowdy character.
I always group he and Stalling together because they have somewhat similar styles (in my mind anyway). Like them both a lot.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Best Shows
I have seen Manders play many times and the show is always awesome. I love his concerts and they are usually small, so he will really interact with the crowd. Love and War is Plano is a great place to watch him.
He used to paly Texas Jive in Denton a lot
It would be a smaller concert, and we would just get hammerd drunk with him. They actually asked him to stop playing there because he got too drunk…at least that’s what I heard. One time, we were there and he was so drunk that my buddy asked if he could sing a song that he wrote, and Mark let him. It was awesome. Then we got up with him and sang “Three Fingers Tequila” while he sat back and played giutar. I think we sang that songs 4 times in a row…
He played at Sunset in Denton a lot too.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Isnt he the son of
the old Dallas Cowboy Dave Manders or did I just dream that up somewhere?
Sure is
I didn’t know that
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Townes Van Zandt
I don’t think people know how influential his songs have been.
Big names like Willie and Merle have covered his songs. Steve Earle has talked at length how he marveled at and emulate Townes is many ways. According to Wikipedia (and I didn’t know this) he repeatedly declined invitations to go write with Bob Dylan. I was not surprised when I heard “If I Needed You” on the Crazy Horse soundtrack. Songwriters who matter really pay attention to Townes’ music.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Have you heard Steve Earle's "Townes" album?
Great stuff, especially his rendition of “Pancho & Lefty” and “Mr. Mudd & Mr. Gold” (a song that I absolutely positively cannot get enough of).
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
It is really good, but, personally
I’m a little offended by it. He’s had a total career resurgence from all this. Even got on ACL to do all of Townes’ songs. I know they were best of friends for years, and I know he’s posturing like it’s all to glorify the greatness of TVZ songs, but it smacks of opportunism. Maybe i’m just a cynic.
And Mr Mudd and Mr. Gold is a mind-blowingly awesome. True poetry.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
apparently there's talk of
Earle doing a whole nother album on TVZ covers.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
You bring up an interesting point
Had Steve not had the relationship he had with Townes, I would definitely be suspicious of his motives. But knowing their history, and that Steve even named his son after Townes, I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s not all bad that he’s had a career resurgence from the album if it draws more attention to Townes’ work in the process.
Agree on the poetry of Mr Mudd & Mr Gold. I’ve read that it’s an incredibly difficult song to sing and most people don’t even try.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
well the lyrics are complex alone
trying to play guitar with it is nigh impossible. There’s lots of other Townes songs I love to play though. Lungs and I’ll be Here in the Morning are two excellent and easy songs to play.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Townes
had a backstage pass that was good for any Bob Dylan show anywhere in the world he was playing. It was signed by Bob. Dylan was a big fan. Townes showed it to me after a gig at the old location of Poor David’s Pub. We had gone to a party somewhere in the neighborhood.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
pretty darn cool
was he as nice a guy in person as he seemed?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
x
yeah Townes was a very gentle guy. Now he was very medicated a lot with drink or drugs but I never saw him angry or anything.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Yeah, that's cool.
I’ve read up a lot on him. He’s a sad figure; truly gifted and a nice guy with simple tastes. Unfortunately he just fell victim to alcohol and heroin.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
x
there is a movie about Townes that I have not seen but my wife saw at the Kimble Art Museum several years ago. I dont remember the name of it but I bet one of the rental places has it.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
horsepoop beat me to it
You should check out “Be here to love me,” if you haven’t already seen it.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I have and it's superb
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
During a similar conversation
…I brought up Old 97’s first full length record called “Wreck Your Life”. It’s twangy as hell, raucous, and full of emotion. The lead guitar playing alternates between a bit sloppy and incredibly precise. The rhythm section is tight. It’s recorded very raw…mostly live in a studio with maybe a little overdubbing here and there.
For a different style of newer country music, check out Son Volt’s first record, “Trace”. It’s polished but not overproduced by any stretch of the imagination. If you don’t know, Wilco and Son Volt are the product of the split of Uncle Tupelo, which is also worth checking out. Anyway, “Trace” has some rock songs on it. Son Volt can rock very, very hard and then dial it down to a beautiful county song seamlessly. One of the best live bands I’ve ever seen…much better than Wilco (who is really good, too). I’ve seen them three times at Trees, once at the Gypsy Tea Room, once at Sons of Herman, and once at Stubb’s. Amazing live show.
Yeah, I think I was in on that Old 97's discussion
“Wreck” is a great album, but “Barrier Reef” is my favorite song of theirs.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
So many to choose from
‘Barrier Reef’, ‘Streets of Where I’m From’, ‘Big Brown Eyes’, ‘St. Ignatius’, ‘Wish the Worst’, etc. Depends on the mood.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I've been on a big Red Dirt Texas country kick lately.
If you haven’t had the chance to hear Wade Bowen, I think he’s really good.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Wade Bowen
He’s a good.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he is
I’m pretty “meh” on some of the new Texas/Red Dirt stuff because it tends to be repetitive, but I like Wade. I like some of Bleu Edmonson’s music too, the really rough sounding stuff.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
50 Dollars and Flask of Crown
greatness
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Jeff Walker's "Viva Terlingua" is freakin' awesome
Gettin’ By (Jerry Jeff Walker)
Desperados Waiting For The Train (Guy Clark)
Sangria Wine (Jerry Jeff Walker)
Little Bird (Jerry Jeff Walker)
Get It Out (Jerry Jeff Walker)
Up Against The Wall Red Neck Mother (Ray Wylie Hubbard)
Backsliders Wine (Michael Murphy)
The Wheel (Jerry Jeff Walker)
London Homesick Blues (Gary P. Nunn)
Jerry Jeff hasn't had a bad song that I'm aware of
I listen to him all the time. That’s an iconic album and his “Great Gonzos” greatest hits is awesomeness.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Saw Gary P. Nunn
at a way way off the beaten path dive bar in NW Arkansas back in 85. Probably about a dozen hard core drunks there, myself included. He has the privilege of being in my memory forever as having the absolute worst BO I’ve ever been around. I think soldiers “in the shit” in Nam probably bathed more frequently.
by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on May 14, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
ever listened to The Flatlanders?
the lead is the guy who played Smokey in Big Lebowski. His name is Jimmy Dale Gilmore… Not my favorite band, but a fun fact. DC-9 at Night is a really good song.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I like the Flatlanders' older stuff better than the new stuff, but that's a great band
Jimmie Dale, Butch Hancock, and Joe Ely are the members. Agree on Dallas in a DC-9, quality song.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Jimmie's one of my all-time favorites.
And he’s one of the friendliest guys you’ll ever meet. Also like Joe Ely. Butch somewhat but his output pales compared to Jimmie and Joe.
Flatlanders are alright.. I really want to like them more, but just don’t. To me they’re one of those ‘the whole is less than the sum of the parts’ deals.
I would definitely agree with that
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I never really considered myself an Alabama fan
but I went through all my songs on my computer the other day to clean out all the garbage. I was fully expecting to delete most of their songs, but I just couldn’t.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they trend towards that smoother country sound that ended up paving the way for today's pop country trash, but I like their stuff anyway
Their greatest hits album is phenomenal.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Ugh
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Bama
George is good.
For my money, Alabama is the epitome of watered down, over-produced, generic crapola that Nashville never ceases to have an abundance of.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 15, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
got that right
George is grandma’s homemade apple pie. Alabama is a McDonalds’ apple pie.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I like that
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 16, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm not much of country music person
but i’ll say this…
dwight yoakam and randy travis are good. some dixie chicks is good. lyle lovet and k.d. lang too.
go see crazy heart. was really good.
Try these dudes...
http://www.myspace.com/thedocmarshalls
That’s a guy I grew up with, and I used to play guitar with them.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on May 14, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Personally I'm a big fan of Billy Joe Shaver
You might remember him from such hits as:
- “Where Do You Want It?”;
- “The Night I Shot Billy Coker in the Face”; and
- “Any Damn Fool Knows a Knife Ain’t a Stir Stick!”
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Talk about a legend
“Thunderbird,” “Georgia On a Fast Train,” “That’s What She Said Last Night,” “Live Forever,” “Black Rose,” “Slim Chance & the Can’t Hardly Playboys,” all great songs.
And like a true country outlaw legend, he just got acquitted of shooting a guy point blank. Awesome.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I'm a little bitter about it.
The guy he shot was my friend’s dad, so it left a really bad taste in my mouth. I went to the trial and he was a complete dick, not to mention the fact that he was acquitted. But before the incident I had a pretty healthy respect for the guy, and he’s obviously a talented songwriter.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I'm sorry to hear about the personal connection
Is there any truth to the story that the other guy was asking for it and that it was legitimately warranted?
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I don't think so
Obviously I’m just getting one side of the story, but it seemed to me that there was an argument that go a little heated and then died down. But then BJS saw Coker stirring his drink with a knife (which, according to bar staff, he did all the time as they had no straws/stirrers), and took it as a sign of aggression. Apparently both men were pretty drunk. Only one person had a good view of what happened when they went outside and nobody saw Coker with his knife out.
I dunno, I’m over it. IMO, he was guilty as shit, but what are you gonna do when the guy rolls Willie and Duvall in there as his “bail bondsmen”.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Wow...that sounds like a scene out of a movie
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s a pretty surreal story. They got into the parking lot and Shaver asked him “Where do you want it?” and then shot him in the face (he lived).
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
He stirs his drink with a knife
In public.
Yeah, that sounds like a guy who wasn’t lookin for trouble.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
x
People I know who do things like that aren’t necessarily looking for trouble, but they don’t give a damn if trouble happens to find them.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
And really, who needs a stirring implement for their drink anyway?
Lift glass.
Gyrate wrist in a circular rotation.
Repeat.
Or better yet, order a grown man’s drink, like Bushmill’s neat, or Glenlivet rocks.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh, I've done the lifted glass wrist gyration with a glass of self-sweetened tea many times
But I might break out the pocketknife next time just to see what kind of reaction I get.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Wait. Really?
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgot "Tramp On Your Street"
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Best country song writer ever
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I have had several Kryptonite country guys over the years
My list would include most singers on today’s country radio, but these guys specifically at some point in my life:
Brooks and Dunn – I have never had any use for them other than Neon Moon.
Vince Gill – hated him as a kid, but he has grown on me due to his love for the music.
Kenny Rogers – had some hits (The Gambler and Coward of the County), but never liked any of his other stuff.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Kryptonite
“Neon Moon” B&D
“Ruby” Kenny Rodgers (something real fucked up about that tune)
“Watermelon Crawl” dont know who dont care
And any Billy Ray song
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
Watermelon Crawl
Just reading that made me cringe (It’s Tracy Byrd BTW).
Really though…you don’t like Neon Moon?
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Neon Moon
I actually like quite a few of their songs. IMO, their oldest work is the best. Neon Moon, Brand New Man, Lost & Found. They probably peaked with My Maria and then got carried away with some of the country music madlibs stuff, but I at least like theirs better than the similar garbage I heard from other artists.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
B&D
That song made successful enough to spawn clones. B/c of that and Boot Scoot Country has become Rap/Pop….just a bunch of retread.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
I don't think you can place the blame on those two songs
or even B&D. It was going downhill before they were around. See Dan Seals.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it that song
“Swinging” that did it but B&D got a entire generation of Rednecks all hot and bothered.. Girls in Rockies doing the electric slide smoking 100’s . Dudes getting tribal. Oh suck a gay tine
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
'Ruby' is great.
A paralyzed vet dealing with his cheating wife..
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I know what Ruby is about
That doesn’t make it any less fucked up!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on May 14, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm always a sucker
for a good Marty Robbins ballad. Grandfather turned me on to him as a kid and it stuck. I guess Continental Suit is probably my favorite.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Glad someone else appreciates Continental Suit
You don’t hear it very often, but it’s a great cowboy story song.
Marty’s Gunfighter Ballads & Trail Songs is a phenomenal album.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Yeah
Chris Ledoux did a cover a while, back. I was a fan of his so that was pretty cool to hear even though I didn’t care for his version much.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I've never heard Ledoux's version and I'm a major fan of his
He’s another one who warrants discussion on this thread. His collection of rodeo tales and fun cowboy music is good stuff. IMO, his rendition of “Life is a Highway” is the best version of the song ever recorded. I was appalled when Rascal Flatt’s did a cover of it for “Cars”. My little sister and her friends were talking about how much they loved it, so I forced them to listen to Ledoux instead.
One of my great regrets in life is not seeing Ledoux in College Station when I had the chance, then he died the next year.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Saw him at Billy Bob's
not too long before he died.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Saw him in Shreveport as the opening act for Merle
and he stole the show. Been a fan ever since. I love the song El Paso City. I know El Paso was a big hit but El Paso City is a better song
The first two CD's I ever bought
Were Ledoux’s Western Underground and Arrested Development’s Three Years, Five Months, Two Days…(or whatever the hell it was).
The Continental Suit cover is here
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Such a strange combination...
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not the weirdest part
As a condition to my grandmother shelling out the money to buy the CD’s for me (I was in 6th grade or somesuch), I had to attend a Barry Manilow concert with her that weekend.
I kind of point that week of my childhood as the reason I’m so fucked up as an adult…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I had
that same Arrested Development CD. I thought that CD was amazing. I just shake my head at that thought nowadays…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 14, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That AD record is great.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
No doubt
Unfortunately they never really built on the tremendous promise they showed.
Saw them at San Diego’s Street Scene, the yearly music fest the city puts on, in 05, and they were still recycling the same early 90s tracks.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was a combination of group conflict
and the rise of gangsta rap. Ice Cube was unstoppable at the time, and Speech had to dole out moolah to about 20 players and singers.
To this day I don’t hit fast forward on the iPOD when they come up in random play.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I don't know how in the world
George Strait is not mentioned in this thread. To me, he is the best, closely followed by Alan Jackson. Those two define country music to me.
Some modern country voices that I like: Jason Aldean, Pat Green, and my favorite youngster is performing at Billy Bob’s tonight, a guy by the name of Easton Corbin.
Even though I go to A&M and live right across from NorthGate, I’m not a big fan of Texas Country. But I do like Josh Abbott Band’s new song “She’s Like Texas”. And I do like Pat Green.
I love country music and dallas-centric rap music.
"You make the most of the hand you're dealt because a quitter... never... wins!!!"
Strait's Greatest vol 1
is the best sad drunken music EVER
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
Agree, the entire boxed set is great, but that single disc is one of my all-time favorite collections of songs
I didn’t list King George originally because my first thought was on discussing old country and new Americana stuff, but yeah, George is clearly the best.
It doesn’t get any better than “Amarillo by Morning,” always and forever my favorite song.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
that was my first CD
along with Dave Mathew’s “Under the Table and Dreaming” and No Doubt “Tragic Kingdom”.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Alan Jackson
fell off several years ago IMO. Jason Aldean is one of the better Nashville guys. Zac Brown, Brad Paisley (although he’s quickly headed the wrong direction), Chris Young, Justin Moore, Josh Turner, and a few others aren’t too bad. It’s still a little early for me to rule on Easton Corbin.
Pat Green is a whole ’nother topic. He used to be good…
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on Pat, he was great until he sold out (after building his career on shooting Nashville the finger)
Paisley bothers me. He’s one of the best living country guitarists and he wastes his talent on the garbage he sings.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I can't tell you how many times
I have made the argument that Pat Green sold out only to have somebody look at me like I just ran over their dog. Those people had obviously never been to one of his concerts in the pre-Nashville days.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Freshman year of college
I attended the Pat Green/Cory Morrow ski trip in Colorado. Special concert at the top of the mountain the last night. Green was still fat and could only do 2 songs at a time because of the altitude. Saw him a few years later at Billy Bob’s and didn’t care for it. Could never get over my friend at OU telling me he came and played on campus and sang Songs About Texas but inserted Oklahoma instead of Texas. That was really the end for me…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 14, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I always wanted to go on that trip
I can’t believe he did that…the Oklahoma thing. That makes me dislike him even more.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
blew my mind. The song wouldn’t even make sense that way. Complete sellout move to try and get a cheap pop from the crowd.
The trip wasn’t bad, but you didn’t miss much. You really overpaid for one crappy hour long concert and a CD. We went on another ski trip the next year, paid a lot less and saw Morrow for 5 bucks at The Cellar a few weeks later…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 14, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
In a similar conversation, a guy on Texags posted a year or two ago that he saw Pat in North Carolina and hollered "Songs About Texas" from the crowd
He said Pat gave him a look of disdain that said “I don’t sing that **** anymore.”
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
what's his issue?
"You make the most of the hand you're dealt because a quitter... never... wins!!!"
Well
that he built his entire career on singing songs about Texas.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, and now that it vaulted him to bigger and better things, he's thumbing his nose at what got him there
And this comes from someone who owns a half-dozen Pat CDs and was one of his biggest early proponents.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
"Way Back Texas"
love that song. And “Texas in 1880”.
"You make the most of the hand you're dealt because a quitter... never... wins!!!"
"Small Town Southern Man"
by Alan Jackson is probably my favorite song ever. Zac Brown is different (in a good way), don’t care for Chris Young, Moore is ok, Turner is ok, I really don’t like Paisley.
Others that I like: Chris Cagle and Joe Nichols. Jack Ingram has two magnificent songs, and all the others stink.
"You make the most of the hand you're dealt because a quitter... never... wins!!!"
"She's Like Texas"
That is indeed a good one.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was driving in my car....
Back home, When I “Snake” thats what they call me back home is "Snake’
I just barfed thinking of how cheeeezzy Grath was. So arrogant but for some reason he is fun to sing along with when ur uber trashed and hanging out with guys you wnet to high school with.
But when you sober up you feel nasty like you fucked a fat girl. you wonder why Garth and why do still talk with people i went to school with1
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
lolwut?
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Here's a recommendation (and plug of sorts).
Mary Cutrufello. I’ll not even try to describe her history, just how I came to be a fan. If anyone has ever heard her on guitar they’ll know what I’m talking about because it’s not easily forgotten.
Anyway, I first saw her play at the Cactus on UT’s campus. Jimmie Dale Gilmore had just put out Braver Newer World (if you want to try to get into Jimmie Dale based on earlier posts, I’d suggest this not be the place you start, though it is good in its own way), and he had added this girl as his guitarist. She had already been bouncing around the Texas circuit doing honky-tonk music (and doing it very well, regardless of how you might want to argue her background and authenticity). Anyway, Jimmie let her play a song of her own, and she played an early version of a song called Dreamers Walk Alone, and absolutely stole the show. I don’t know how to describe her except she looked like a 5 foot tall female Jimmy Hendrix with a Merle-yellow telecaster, and the sounds she was making… damn. I’ve been a fan since, though she’s bounced around and had some shitty luck.
The plug is: She’s about to be making the rounds in Texas, including Denton and Princeton in June. I saw her at Dan’s Silverleaf last fall and she’s awesome still. Here’s a youtube clip that’s kind of her current style which is kind of a red dirtish style with a lot of guitar. I know I sound like her manager… I’m not. I just like to mention her whenever the chance arises because she absolutely should be making a living in music. Instead she’s a FedEx driver in Minnesota who tours when she can. Incidentally, she’s a baseball (Minnesota Twins) fan, she’s on twitter and Facebook and very friendly. Get out to see her if you get a chance, you won’t be disappointed.
I’m not sure whether you could really call her country anymore, but she was straight-up honky tonk when I started listening to her, so I still think of her this way.
huh, that's interesting
I’ve seen her at Dan’s and never really thought twice about her. I remember liking the guitar in it. I’ll definitely give her a closer look.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
If you want to hear some of her wilder stuff...
Try Who to Love and When to Leave, it’s a live album. Dallas is my favorite song on there. When I last saw her in October, I think, she had the same bass player and had pretty much gone back to this sound.
Her newer albums were more mid-american rock stuff. She wanted to become Bruce Springsteen for a while, and that’s where, I think, she got off track. She was ahead of her time in Texas years, if she’d have stuck around, she would be at the epicenter of the red dirt scene (my opinion). But I guess it wasn’t paying the bills yet…
Pig Pen, this here's the Rubber Duck, we just ain't a gonna pay no toll
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I like Wolf Creek Pass myself.
partially because I used to work in Farmington, NM, and work would carry me through some of that area.
Classified Ad is another great one.
Also Doug Sahm
needs to be mentioned. For someone new to him, “Return of Wayne Douglas” is a good start, which was actually a posthumous(sp?) release.
And the Texas Tornados = greatness
Hey baby, que paso? I thought I was your only vato
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
This is a great line, with an excellent delivery...
And Texas Tornados is another reason to like Freddy Fender…
Eddy Arnold
Make the World Go Away, and What’s he Doing in My World are classic country essentials, for starters…
Love me some Ernest Tubb
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
He’s a distant cousin of mine. I sing about as well as he does. So maybe country music stardom is my destiny too.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Freddy Fender...
not so much
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This is funny coming from a guy
whose first (or one of your first…) post probably put him on many people’s trollscript list.
Sorry
just deosn’t do it for me.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but only because my Mom went to school with him in San Benito, TX
actually ….Wasted days and Wasted Nights …wasn’t bad.
Wash for this scene your role is to act like a manager who know's what the F he is doing. I know it's a creative stretch 'cus.....he do what he do.
Yup, and as I posted above, the Texas Tornados are greatness
Freddy + Flaco Jimenez + Doug Sahm + Augie Myers, that much Tex-Mex greatness in the same room ought to be illegal.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Indeed
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
x
When in San Antonio I like to eat at the Blanco Cafe south of Hildebrand. That cafe was Doug Sahm and the boys favorite mexican food cafe. They still had “She’s About A Mover” (Doug and Augie had a band in the 60’s called Sir Douglas Quintet and everyone thought the were English) on the juke box there in the cafe. Stories have it that Doug used the place as his “office” back before cell phones.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
And I don't care what any of y'all think...
Ray Price is the number-one, all-time, greatest voice in country music history, and a great performer.
Male voice... that is.
I can’t decide whether Loretta Lynn or Tammy Wynette is the best female voice. Probably Tammy. Loretta has better songs, though.
My vote for best voice...
Don Williams
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's only right, they're both superb
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Possum for the win
He’s the Sinatra of country.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don Williams
was born in Floydada, TX and grew up in Portland, TX on the Gulf Coast. I still have a record (vinyl) of a folk group he had called Pozo-Seco Singers. After that group broke up, he then went to Nashville. He is a crooner, no doubt.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
great singing voice? or great voice?
Because I think Johnny Cash has the best voice maybe in the history of American music but singing voice, yeah, Ray Price is pretty hard to beat.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
yeah... singing voice only.
Like, for me, singing voice means guys like Ray Price, Jimmie Dale is in the discussion for me… Don Williams was mentioned and I agree with that.
Not my favorite artist, songwriter, performer… just voice alone.
Yep
that’s how I was thinking
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
gagreed then
can’t argue with either choice
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Cash greatest voice? That's ridiculous
He has a terrible voice. It’s a very distinctive voice, and awesomely characteristic voice, but no one should seriously suggest it’s the best voice.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
not singing voice
overall recognizable and and iconic voice. His voice is greatness. Not trying to say he was a great singer.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Oh, we agree then, sorry
I love that song about building the car, One Piece At a Time
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Long Black Veil is prolly my fave
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 15, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
X
My dad and I debate Ray Price all the time. He LOVES Ray’s smoother, orchestra-back sound, particularly “For the Good Times”. It’s great, don’t get me wrong, but I have to go with Ray’s early days backed by the Cherokee Cowboys. “City Lights,” “Crazy Arms,” and “Heartaches by the Number” are quintessential country songs. And many people don’t realize the influence he had by introducing the 4/4 shuffle into country music.
As an aside, the Cherokee Cowboys are probably the greatest country band of all time. That single band included future country stars Willie Nelson, Roger Miller, Johnny Paycheck, Johnny Bush, and Darrell McCall, not to mention Buddy Emmons and Tommy Jackson, two of the greatest country instrumentalists of all time.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Mo Bandy
Another favorite of mine.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT reply actions
Moe
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Bandy the Rodeo Clown
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Any Eleven Hundred Springs fans here?
Not really sure how to describe their music, sort of a hippie Texas honky tonk, but I love it. “Long Haired Tattooed Hippie Freaks” is sort of their theme song and explains them in a nutshell, but their whole catalog is excellent.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Great stuff
I’ve seen them many times.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You ever met them or talked to them?
I’ve listened to their radio show on KHYI and Steve and Matt seem like they’d be fun cats. Then again, they may total d-bags.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
No I haven't
but I’ve been told they are exactly like they are on the air.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's awesome to hear
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Anyone said Marty Robbins?
Another fave of my parents whom I’ve adopted.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
a few faves...
Johnny Rodriguez gets an old school nod, and Phil Pritchet and Reckless Kelly for newer music. Plenty of my other faves have been mentioned already.
Where's my wallet?!?!?
Like all three of those
Reckless Kelly’s live, bluegrassy cover of “Shook Me All Night Long” (from one of their very first albums) is still my favorite of theirs, but they’ve got lots of good work.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I didn't realize this until a few years ago
but Hank Jr. actually had some pretty good stuff before he became the Hank that everyone knows today. “Standing in the Shadows” and “Living Proof” simply awesome.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
Listen to any Hank 3?
his subject material is classic country hard-livin, but the music is definitely an updated country-rock sound. Very good stuff. Plays around here a lot.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
you know
Jeezus’ post just made me realize I’m thinking of James McMurtry who plays around here a lot.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
And "Choctaw Bingo" too, that song is a story-telling classic
McMurtry gets a little too populist protesty with some of his stuff, but I think he actually does care about it rather than just giving it lip service or doing it for the wrong reasons like so many protesty celebrities.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I'll I've got from Hank III
is “I Don’t Know”, so I can’t say I’ve ever really given him a chance.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
have any of you heard of
The Band of Heathens? I went to one of their concerts in Houston. They have some good music. One tune called “LA County Blues” is fantastic.
"You make the most of the hand you're dealt because a quitter... never... wins!!!"
They seem to get a lot of play here on The Range
I like thier stuff. I’ve been meaning to download a few of them.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 14, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
James McMurtry?
Country?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Salty is on cover of Yahoo
B/C he cant throw….ouch
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
Used to love the Maines Brothers back in my college days, but...
I can’t forgive them for the spawn they produced…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Back in the school days in San Marcos
I was at Chetham Street Warehouse (where George Strait, Randy Rogers, etc started) just about every night. Kent Finlays Songwriter Circle on Tuesday nights is awesome. Kent will let anyone with a guitar play and sing their songs while he will listen. If he likes you, he will let you play a show on a Monday or Wendesday night. Only thing, there is no talking and no pool playing during the Songwriter Circle. He cares about every single person that has ever stepped foot on that stage. One of my good friends, Ben Danaher, got his start there while we were in school, and he just opened for Josh Abbot at 8.0s last Wendesday. Check him out.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Shit.
Reply and link fail.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I haven't read this whole thread
but I’ll put up my list of favorite alt country types over the last, well since 1997 when I found the genre. Some of my list have long since disbanded.
In no particular order:
Old 97’s
Uncle Tupleo
Wilco
Son Volt
Reckless Kelly
Steve Earle (although he probably isn’t really in this category to a lot of people)
Bruce Robison
Charlie Robison
Kelly Willis
Pat Green (from the early days, saw him in the Satellite lounge here in Houston with no more than 20 people in the joint multiple times)
The V-roys (probably my favorite of all time and the band that hooked me into the genre)
Scott Miller (solo of the former V-Roys)
The Avett Brothers (especially the earlier stuff, not as enamored with the latest album even though it’s getting them much more pub)
Whiskey Town
Ryan Adams
Slobberbone
Connection to Slobberbone
My wife’s Grandparents rented to them for years, and apparently they were the best renters they ever had. Good band and hella nice guys, too.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Brad Paisley
Not a fan (at all) of new school Nashville country, but I gotta say he’s pretty damn good.
Not mediocre. Right about average
Not country at all,
but the new Band of Horses’s album has some countryish leanings in a sort of Wilco way and is pretty damn
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by ReallyCreativeScreenName on May 14, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
Now this may just be
the ultimate LSB thread ever. I like bluegrass, but it ain’t country music. And I like country music fine, but I LOVE Country Western music
Prime Nine:
1. Bob Wills, he started the whole thing
2. Ray Price, the heir to Bob Wills
3. George Strait, the heir to Ray Price – him & me went to separate schools together
4. Willie Nelson, back when he was just a drunk,.. without the weed
5. Mel Tillis, still got my stub from 1973 “Cowboy Homecoming” in Pleasanton Tx
6. Moe Bandy, $1.50 to see him every Friday nite in 72@ the “Golden Stallion” in SA
7. Dwight Yokum, loved his band in Slingblade
8. Reba, nuff said – if u cain’t love Reba, well u ain’t got no heart
9. Clifton Jansky, SA legend, has made it big in Cristian Country
Honorable mention to: Asleep at The Wheel, Buck Owens, Johnny Bush, Patsy Cline, Faron Young, Jim Ed Brown,… oh man I got to stop now or I may just go pack the truck and head back home.
A Stephens
by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on May 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
Tillis
good songwriter in addition to the songs he recorded himself.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Yep
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
what about his daughter Pam?
I like her stuff. sorta alt country.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
What does #4 mean?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh jeeziz H
how could I forget,
Charley Pride is top 5
pushes Clifton to HM. The man could bring it.
by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on May 14, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions
Why not just go with the top 10
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I was blatantly
ripping off the “Prime Nine” shows on MLB Network.
by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on May 14, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Man
I’ve meet him a few times. Mr. Pride is a stand up guy.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
When my dad lived in Dallas/Lewisville in the early 80s, he would occasionally he Charley riding around town in a fancy car
He said Charley waved at everyone and just acted glad to see everyone he met.
Never heard a bad word said about Charley Pride.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Charlie Pride
used to work out with the Rangers. I think I remember this.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Yeah, he was a fixture at spring training for many clubs back in the day
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a few rows in front of me on Opening Day
Also, whenever he’s at a game, they usually put him on the kiss cam.
Well.........
…..some of the older names speak for themselves. I don’t need to tell anyone how great Johnny Cash, Don Williams, George Strait, or Waylon Jennings are.
As for the newer guys, Gary Allan would be my favorite. His new album “Get Off on the Pain” is very very good.
And the greatness of “Crazy Heart” introduced my to Ryan Bingham. Consider me a fan. I have about 15 of his songs on my iTunes and always enjoy when one of them pops up.
especially
at the end of the ballgame.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
what about
Junior Brown?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
while these guys
are not from Texas, if you are interested in great playing and singing check out youtube for vids of Sam Bush and Tim O’Brien and Tony Rice and those guys. They have taken that style of music that was featured in “Oh Brother” moved it in a slightly different direction. All those guys are masters of their instruments. Alison Krauss is a great singer. Over in the Western part of Country and Western. Dave Stamey out of CA is a great cowboy singer. Mike Beck and Bohemian Saints is a Byrds (Sweetheart of the Rodeo) style band. There are lots of great singers out there now.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Alison Kraus is an objectively great singer, but I can't get into her music
I think it’s because she has too good of a voice for bluegrass, if that makes sense. Bluegrass was developed by Bill Monroe, Jimmie Davis, and Flatt & Scruggs, all of whom had terrible voices. When I hear a good voice singing bluegrass, it just seems out of place.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
you should
listen to some of the younger singers now in bluegrass. Bluegrass in evolving and the younger singers are improving the listen ability of bluegrass. Those old timers were all from the mountains and basically had no training vocally or musically. There is a cute little girl from Tennessee that is got a full ride scholarship to Burklee College of Music in Boston. Her name is Sierra Hull and she is amazing on mandolin. She has just completed her freshman year. Here is her myspace page and check out her song “Hullarious”
http://www.myspace.com/sierrahullmusic
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Haven't read the whole thread,
but here are some guys i haven’t seen mentioned that i like:
Kyle Bennett
Mickey & the Motor Cars
Josh Grider
Hayes Carll
Casey Donahew
Brandon Rhyder
exploding highfive
my daughter
used to date a guy named Scott Copeland and Casey Donahew has recorded several of Scotts tunes as has Cross Canadian Ragweed. Scott always called Casey “Casey Doggydew” I thought it was humorous.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Merle Haggard
Dwight Yoakam
Hank Williams
Don Williams
Ray Charles
John Conlee
Jerry Lee Lewis
Gram Parsons/Emmylou Harris
Rolling Stones
Keith Whitley
Rodney Crowell
Willie Nelson
Old 97’s…..
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Emmylou is an angel (a grievous one, ha ha)
Do you like Lucinda?
I’ve had tickets to see her twice and got called out of town for work both times, damn it. The wife confirmed my suspicions. She’s equally epic in person.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 14, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road is great.
It’s the only one I have, I really need to check out more of her stuff. Saw her on ACL once as well, good stuff.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I can't make myself become a Lucinda fan
She and Neil Young suffer from the same problem in my book: I can’t look past their voices to want to listen to lots of their music. I can just take it in small doses. John Hiatt is the same, to a lesser degree.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I used to feel that way about Neil Young,
then in the last 5 years he grew on me. Now one of my faves. But I get it, I can’t dig Dylan.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Huge Lucinda Williams fan here
My faves are:
World Without Tears
s/t
Essence
Sweet Old World
Car Wheels…
I like everyone on scoop’s list above as well. However, for my money nobody’s cut a better record, regardless of genre, in the past twenty years than Chris Knight’s “A Pretty Good Guy”.
I’m a big Fred Eaglesmith fan as well.
Love Chris Knight and "A Pretty Good Guy is a killer album
The title cut, “Oil Patch Town,” “Highway Junkie,” “Blame Me,” “The Lord’s Highway,” and then the epic story song ’Down the River." Just awesome stuff, the epitome of what country music should be.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Newer Texas Country/Under ground country
Ryan Bingham
Brandon Rhyder
Chris Knight
Hayes Carll
Randy Rogers
Wade Bowen
Reckless Kelly
Mickey and the Motorcars
There are others, but those are my favorites and probably the ones that transcend a lot of people.
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Chris Knight
I can’t beleive I forgot about him. He good.
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 15, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, same here
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
greatness, though awful to listen to in a bar
with all the people that know about 1/3 of the words drunkenly caterwauling along.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
the guy that wrote
that line is late Steve Goodman. He also wrote “The City Of New Orleans” Willie and Arlo had major hits with that song. It was also once used to wake the astronauts on one of their flights.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
He realized that he hadn't written the perfect CW song
So he added a verse;)
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
I'm sure this post...
isn’t going to be a popular one among a bunch of Texans, but I hate country music. I can listen to any and every type of music, but not country.
I can honestly say I’ve never heard a single country artist or song that I’ve liked.
Country music sucks. There it is. Swing away.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Boom goes the dynamite
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Someone had to say it...
I’m sure I’m in the minority here on this topic, but I can’t be the only one here that loathes country music.
Like I said, I can find music from every genre that I enjoy. Not country though. It’s just horrible. All of it. I hate is like D.A. Tron would hate a little homeless baby NeRa.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah
if you’re listening to the shit on the radio I could see why you say that. Alt country (or whatever the kids call it these days) has some great shit.
to each his own
I like many kinds of music, but don’t enjoy most hip hop, and I can’t stand any sort of club/dance music.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I've kind of been debating whether or not to try and participate in this thread
Because my music listening habits are on more of a song-to-song basis than an artist-to-artist basis (I’m sure FuturePants will be along soon to tell me this is not the way you’re supposed to listen to music).
I’ve got a few favorite artists I’ll always stand by – Miranda Lambert, Gary Allan, Dwight Yoakam, Lee Ann Womack – but other than that, I don’t think theres a whole lot of country artists who I can say I really like the majority of their work.
And furthermore, I find myself listening to country a lot less than I used to, because top 40 country has gotten unlistenable thanks to Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood, and because I’ve found out I don’t like classic country near as much as I used to (or at least used to think I did).
Now that I re-read it, I’m really sure exactly what the point of saying all this is, really, except that I’m extremely picky and don’t like country near as much as I used to, but… hmn.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Have you checked out much Americana, alt-country, or Texas/Red Dirt country?
The four artists you like fit nicely into that crowd more than they do into the mainstream crowd.
Gary Allan has done some nice covers of Todd Snider and Bruce Robison, among others. He also does a phenomenal rendition of Del Shannon’s 60s classic “Runaway.”
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Yeah, "Runaway" is on his "Smoke Rings in the Dark" album, and it's my third-favorite track
Which is saying something, because that’s a phenomenal album.
I admittedly haven’t really delved alt-country much, despite the fact that that seems to be more of where my gearbox actually lies within the genre. I’ve been busy branching out into other stuff lately, and the interest in country just hasn’t been there.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Don't know if he has been mentioned
Caught Jesse Dayton at love and war. He was really good
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on May 15, 2010 2:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
A country music thread is not complete without someone mentioning Gary Stewart
His “Out of Hand” album is fantastic.
A couple of names that haven't been mentioned
Tom T. Hall (the storyteller)
Patsy Cline
Loves me some Don Williams, Randy Travis, 80s George Strait
If you live in the metroplex, they still play classic country on 92.1 FM – KTFW, and 1460 AM – KCLE
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
wow
how did Patsy Cline not get mentioned? Great voice.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Greatness.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Very generic voice IMO
When I don’t know who sings a particular song I’ll guess Ronnie Milsap
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on May 16, 2010 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody mentioned Waylan either
Dreamin my dreams is a classic.
Early 70’s country is the best.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on May 15, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Once
I heard a new DJ on the radio after some awards show say that Ronnie Mislap won some award. Wife and I had a good laugh on that.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
ding ding ding
there is a winner no need to call anymore!
I soloed in the Mile High Club!

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