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There was talk after yesterday's game about the Rangers being a team that does the "little things" to win.
There were a lot of "little things" that happened in tonight's game that led to a one run loss.
An easy grounder to first base by Marlon Byrd being booted by Justin Smoak.
Derek Holland having Marlon Byrd picked off at first base, but throwing the ball away instead.
Holland then grooving a pitch that resulted in a two run homer, which would have been a solo shot if either of the first two "little things" hadn't happened.
Ron Washington deciding to pull Max Ramirez for defensive purposes in a tie game, despite the fact that he was due up 5th in the 9th inning.
Matt Treanor, who has been awful with the bat the last month, coming up with two out and two on in the 9th of a tie game as a result of Washington's decision to yank Max.
Washington bringing sidearming righthander Darren O'Day to pitch the 10th, rather than Dustin Nippert, even though the Cubs had a bench full of lefties available to pinch hit. O'Day allows three hits and the go-ahead run to score, and Nippert ends up in the game anyway.
(And I know that O'Day hasn't been bad against lefties in his career. But he's also not got a real long track record, and as a general rule, sidearmers get killed by opposite-handed hitters).
Michael Young, inexplicably, not charging a slow chopper in the tenth with the bases loaded and one out, then not throwing home, meaning that there was no chance at a double play and what ended up being the winning run was allowed to score unchallenged.
A lot of bad little things happened in this game.
The reality is, this isn't a team that does the "little things" well. It is a team with a lot of talent that relies on its talent to overcome the fact that it doesn't do the little things well, and to overcome the fact that there are a lot of questionable in-game decisions that get made on a regular basis.
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"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
by RangersSD on May 22, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I had to sit...
through Dave Barnett and they couldn’t even pull out this game?
Fucking nut punch.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 22, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
Gracie
wasn’t much better. At one point, he said both Ranger catchers were “great defensively.” Ugh….
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
But at least then...
I could actually SEE what was happening and just mute the TV.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 22, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
and I feel your pain, as I have to listen to 90% of the games on the radio because of work. And when the sun goes down, the OKC affiliate (1340AM) gets some crazy static. I need to move back to DFW….
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Gacie gets worse every broadcast
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
couldnt have said it any better
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
How you been RA seems like it's been a while
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
No it's Ted Lilly
/sarcasm
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I guess it's a one run loss and we weren't going to go undefeated the rest of the year. . .
I should be okay with this?
sucks to lose, but that little 5 game winning streak before this one softens the blow a bit
justin smoak needs to come out from the umbrella of protection. he is currently a liability on offense and defense.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 9:32 PM CDT reply actions
Fire Ron Washington ASAP
I believe that a manager that tries too hard to make his team do the little things ends up with a team that over-thinks and is bad at the little things. Taking Ramirez out when he’s due up in the next inning, is definitely not a little thing.
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by t ball on May 22, 2010 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Ron tries too hard
because he doesn’t believe in his offense and he feels he has to show he is “managing” in order to keep his job.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Well, I think he believes in his offense
but he is managing scared, I agree with that part. I think Wash is one of those guys who loves defensey veterans. When a guy likes Trainor plays even marginally well, managers like Wash will overplay them. If Trainor had started that game you would definitely pinch hit Max for him there, right? Then why the hell take Max out with his spot in the lineup coming up? Insane.
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You have to take Ron's toys away from him
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Hence why he likes raping(bunting) with 2 on and 0 outs
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Well put, Adam.
Surprisingly though, I’m not mad tonight for some reason.
I’m actually pretty calm. This is nice.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
exactly
The reality is, this isn’t a team that does the “little things” well. It is a team with a lot of talent that relies on its talent to overcome the fact that it doesn’t do the little things well, and to overcome the fact that there are a lot of questionable in-game decisions that get made on a regular basis.
Wasn’t some starting a FireRonWashington website? If they do, they will not be hurting for material.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Bill Shakespeare?
heh
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
When you gonna man up and admit
you were wrong about vlad?
I couldn’t agree more with your analysis of tonights game though
I'm not going to piss and moan about this loss...
perhaps it’s easier because, you know, I wasn’t able to actually watch the fucking game.
Wash is Wash. A shitty manager, but I’m of the belief that managers are only going to win or lose you a couple games a year. It does no good to bitch about how stupid his in game moves are. As long as this team is winning, he’s not going anywhere. And I believe this team is good enough to win the West despite Wash.
The Rangers had won 5 in a row. Still have a 3 game lead on the A’s, the Halos are 4.5 back and the M’s are, well, the M’s.
This is the Rangers year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Good enough to win the West
but come September if they still can’t do the little things well, then there’s little chance of post-season success.
that'd be fine
with me. The team should get better in the future.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I like our pitching in the post-season as long as Wash doesn't feel he has to go vet on us
which I’m sure he will.. instead of CJ, Lewis, Holland, Harden ..Feldman to the pen.
I could see him going Harden, Feldman, CJ, Lewis. I just hope Harden is doing well at that point.
What I want is assuming Holland is awesome and Harden is still meh come that time..heh.
Longview
what?
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
It's
time
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I have
been terribly underwhelmed with Smoak’s D. He has had some nice AB’s but he certainly isn’t ready(not that CD has proven to be ready either). In a battle of .170 hitters give me the D of Davis.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
smoak started out a bit unlucky at the plate, but now he is just looking terrible. mix that with bad defense and im not impressed
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just thinking the same thing
about the battle of 1Bs who are stuggling to get above .200
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
my favorite thing
about “stat” guys is their pervasive use of “unlucky”.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite thing about non-stat guys
is their continuing denial of the huge role luck plays in baseball.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I
don’t disagree. It’s just the irony(I hate to use that word on LSB) of it.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
b/c there's no stat for lucksies?
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
idk, there's no stat for it
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
because "luck"
would generally be thought of as something unquantifiable and yet its the stats that end up proving a players given “luck”.
I’ve got no beef with the sabermetrics, its just slightly odd to see “luck” as one of the prominent terms of use.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
are you seriously
arguing the average person doesn’t perceive the word “luck” to be something you can’t account for? Now your clearly a smart fellow, but I assure you there is something slightly amusing to a simpleton like me that the word sabermetricians use when the stats are out of alignment with where they should be is “luck” or “unlucky”.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care what the average person percieves.
I asked you a question: why do you, Red Shoe Ranger, think of it as unquantifiable.
Because I read Wiki:
“Luck or fortuity is good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance, and attributed by some to reasons of faith or superstition, which happens beyond a person’s control.”
Not arguing the logic or rationale behind the concept, just the use of the word “luck”
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I
don’t know.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's all that ironic.
In fact, I kind of see that as the whole point behind sabermetrics. Looking past stats veiled by either SSS or good/bad luck to find a player’s true value and/or potential future production.
It's not ironic
for stat guys to acknowledge the role of luck. The numbers like BaBIP can indicate a period of good or bad luck that’s not likely to last long. The numbers show what is most probably for a given player at a given time, and thus, help indicate when someone is really good, really bad, or just benefiting or suffering from luck.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Flipping a coin.
If you flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads 7 times — that’s random occurrence.
If a player hits 10 line drives, and only 4 fall for hits (when you would have expected 7 to), then that’s luck.
Exactly
the numbers show — from thousands of games over many decades — what is “normal” luck for things like line drives, fly balls, ground balls, etc. There have been a few at bats lately where Smoak has pressed a bit, but you could say that about any player in the lineup. If his BaBIP was near normal he’d be looking like a ROTY candidate.
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yes
but that BaBIP stat you quote is also using a SSS. Obviously nothing conclusively can be said at this point. I just feel that he has regressed the last two weeks or so. Is there a way to get his BaBIP over the last 10 games or so?
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
An even smaller sample?
Heh, jk, but I agree that over the last 10 days to two weeks he’s looked bad several times. It hasn’t gotten to the point yet, though, that I’m thinking he has to go back to OKC or anything rash like that. The most likely thing is he’ll adjust and settle in with better luck and better at bats soon.
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I hope
so. That bottom 3rd of the order is tough to overcome.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
but I think the team would be smart to look for an upgrade to about league average at the CF and C positions and just leave Smoak alone. Smoak’s approach means that in your decision making, you probably lean that way.
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Yes, it is a small sample size.
So you look at the things that aren’t small sample sizes. Like his history of having a fantastic plate approach, about the most dependable of baseball player skills. Or his excellent contact rate. And he’s more than 75% of the way to calling his line drive rate dependable. That’s at a still-sterling 22.7% (which would suggest his BABIP should be around .350), but it has been dropping. I do think his approach seems worse lately, as if his poor luck is getting him to press, but this is a small sample size compared to the rest of his season, which is itself a small sample size for almost everything. He could have started sucking in the last couple weeks or he could just be having a poor couple weeks.
He still shows tons of promise and the smart money is on him being an above-average hitter at least this season.
LSB is Irony
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
yes
and neither lead me to believe Smoak should currently be on a MLB roster.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you don't have a clue what he's talking about.
It’s natural, but you should probably steer clear of conversations with people who know something.
I guess
you believe Smoak’s readiness is clear cut. I think he’s on the roster because we have ZERO other options. Oh, I almost forgot about Arias…..
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
What is he doing at the plate
that makes you think he’s not ready? You know, aside from batting average.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What is his OBP?
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
and steadily falling
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
OBP in a vacuum, not good
Walk rate is fine though, which I assume you won’t argue.
Only hurt by the fact that nothing is falling in/getting past anybody right now.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
have you watched the past week?
the line drive outs have become less common and he is popping out a lot.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know
that part worries me a little. It’s like the previous unluckiness made him actually start sucking. I’m still sticking with him, though.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
yea i mean, ill give him a lot more time than he has had to start hitting more
but its a little concerning. he looks kinda lost at the plate sometiems
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, this week he's been both bad and unlucky
doesn’t change how I feel about his overall play and approach so far, though.
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He's had four line drives this past week.
The exact same number he had last week. And his flyballs were actually down from the previous week.
Both of these things are small sample sizes and mean very little at this point.
He's drawing walks and hitting the ball hard most at bats
I’m not sure what you think he should be doing.
I suppose, if Davis had been hitting lights out, Smoak might still be in AAA. But Smoak didn’t really have much to prove down there, and he’s clearly the better option at 1B right now. You simply do NOT go glove first at 1B if you’re serious about winning.
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I agree
which is why I’m not happy with what Smaok is giving us. Are you saying its a forgone conclusion that his surface stats(BA, OBP) will come more in line with his deeper(?) saber stats? Does sabermetrics guarantee this?
Isnt it possible that he could begin having more “luck” but then his line drive percentage and contact rate could drop? I’m not saying it will but it is certainly in the realm of possibility. You all are acting like it is a 100% certain that Soak will be solid. If his low BA is due to being “unlucky” over a SSS then his good stats could be a result of the same SSS.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think one's ability to hit line drives
are driven mostly by luck.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
CD hit
a shit load of line drives once upon a time.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Once upon a time, some used to go out for Homers
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
He still hits a good number of line drives.
He was probably a little unlucky this year with balls in play. That’s not his problem.
If Smoak hit a ton of line drives with horrific plate discipline, people would be down on him, too.
I'm pretty sure
LD% and plate discipline stats begin to be dependable long before the traditional luck-based statistics.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
But Smoak has a long history
of very good plate discipline and hitting the ball hard. Of course it’s not 100% certain that he’ll be solid very soon. Nothing is ever 100% certain. Albert Pujols isn’t 100% certain. But certainly the most probable outcome is that his luck will even out eventually, and he should get quite a while yet to allow for that before you even consider making a change at 1B.
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Especially considering how well the rest of the team
is hitting lately. You can easily carry a guy walking in 18% of his plate appearances with the rest of the team at about a .785 OPS over the last month.
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Of course it's possible.
No one is saying he’s 100% going to be solid. They’re just going with the strong liklihoods. Some things are more stable over a large sample size than others, and that’s where Smoak has been better. And without poor luck, he would be having a tremendous year in terms of production already.
Yes, of course it’s possible his luck could regress and the other skills could bomb out. No one has said otherwise, but that’s less likely.
And batting average is stupid.
No, I don't think it's clear cut.
But I think it seems extremely likely. The only concern is letting some bad luck get to him.
So what non-stat
thing are you gonna throw out there to support Davis?
Maybe we should say a disparity between what he’s doing at the plate and the results he’s getting that stems from random chance. Is that better than “unlucky”?
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You look at his approach at the plate
and think that? He’s going to be fine. Please explain to me how Chris Davis would be doing better. He might be a little better on defense at the moment, but Davis’ batting average would suck without the benefit of getting on base with lots of walks.
Plate discipline correlates significantly with major league success. Smoak has it in spades, some of the best plate discipline on the team right now.
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As usual, I agree with you...
…except that he’s just not “on” right now.
I attended Friday’s game the other night, good seats up front at Section 20 and all night he was foul popping behind the plate. One bat in particular in the middle innings he did it four or five times in a row. Almost as if it’s a mechanical issue that if putting his bat just below the pitch.
In the end, his plate approach will win out. But right now it’s hard to argue that he’s doing much offensively…and you couldn’t possibly argue that he’s better defensively at first base.
by Bats and Balls on May 22, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, I've said as much elsewhere in this thread.
He’s both unlucky and not very good this last week or so. But he gets a lot of rope from me with his plate discipline.
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The plate discipline is certainly refreshing.
He gets a little more rope from me as well.
by Bats and Balls on May 22, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite thing about backwards simpletons. . .
. . . is their belief that everything that happens on the field of play is completely within control of the charged player.
That's why I prefer...
…fluctuations due to small sample size.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer luck
When dealing with knowledgeable fans.
When it’s not knowledgeable fans, I stick with an exasperated sigh or an angry rant.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
now
we’re talking!
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
not to be nerdy
but small sample size doesn’t mean that there are more fluctuations (well, at very low sizes it does, because there isn’t enough numerical resolution, but say n>20). Small sample size means that sources of noise that are not related to the underlying skill being measured dominate the readout. One expects these sources of noise to eventually cancel out, since they are independent of the skill being measured. But at small sample sizes, you often haven’t had enough data to see that happen.
In theory, you could have small sample sizes and no noise, so your measurement will be as precise as the granularity of the data (5% for 20 data points, 1% for 100 data points).
So in a sense, “luck” is close to the correct statistical terminology.
Go Rice Owls!
To me, one of the most telling signs of luck in baseball is winning %
the best teams in the NFL, NBA, and NHL win upwards of 70 to 80% of their games every year.
In baseball, a .667 winning percentage equals about 120 wins. You know how many teams have won 120 in MLB history?
ZERO. Because even the best teams have to deal with the shit luck that the game of baseball throws it. It’s like poker.
Just wondering
is there any sort of “expected OPS” stat around?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Yep
StatCorner has wOBAr, an expected wOBA, that looks at a player’s peripheral numbers to predict what his weighted OBA would most probably be if BaBIP, etc. were at norms. Smoak’s is a very good .373 right now (.335 is about normal right now, I think).
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And that wOBAr is dropping, which raises some concern he's letting the poor luck get to him.
It could also just be that he’s in a slump because slumps happen. SSS fluctuations and all.
Anyway, average this year is .326 (but you’d expect a little higher in TBiA). It was .329 last year and .328 the year before.
Well, it should be average, right?
I’m assuming over a large sample size, more players don’t under perform than over perform or vice versa. That’s just what makes sense to me, though, I guess I might be assuming wrong.
In theory, yes
seems like that should be the case, though I would not be surprised if it waxed and waned through the season. It seems like early in each season we read breathless reports about how scoring is down, makes me wonder if it trends a bit low early on (with the wOBAr outpacing the wOBA a bit) and evening out over the year.
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when referring to a SSS
ok. But over a season or career it should have quite a bit of relevance no?
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody's problem with batting average
stems from sample size. It stems from the fact that it’s not a good indicator of offensive performance because it captures such a small part of the offensive game.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
can you give me a list
of career .300 hitters who also had a lengthy career. I would like to count the Hall of Famers.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it's worthless
Just that there are much better ways of measuring offensive effectiveness.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares?
Lots of good players have good batting averages. That’s what you call an tangential relationship, it doesn’t make it a better evaluative tool for offense than OBP and SLG, and that’s just keeping it simple.
You don’t determine how good an offensive stat is based on how many good players had a good rate in it. That’s the very definition of backwards thinking.
I got your backwards thinking right here...
what we re talking about is leading indicators. There are a lot of “stats” saying the economy will turn around, but until unemployment drops I dont really give a shit what the leading indicator’s(LD rate, BaBIP) show. Until it happens it is still a “maybe” or a “should happen”. One stat says what “ought” to happen, another shows what did happen.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
So what you’re saying is that you like to go blindly forward and ignore any indicators?
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty much.
NO you fucking moron. But occasionally it is advisable to go with the evidence that is right in front of your face. If a girls snatch smells like Norm’s taint I ain’t diving in, even if it is a “random occurrence” and her shit will eventually “regress to the mean”.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
not a bit
sometimes the prevailing stats(and/or wisdom) can be wrong. Smoak becoming a beast is FAR from a sure thing. At this point his .170 BA is a better reflection of his assistance to this lineup than his LD rate.
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by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant
the inapplicable analogies were a bit.
Yeah, Smoak’s production hasn’t been good. Then again, I don’t think anybody’s arguing that it has been. We’re arguing that his production will improve.
…unless you truly believe Smoak is a .290ish wOBA player.
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what I'm getting really sick of around here
the new, “oh this is a bit” bit.
It’s really annoying and a cheap way to try belittle the other person’s position.
You'd have a point if...
Davis had contributed anything to this point. As of right now, neither Davis nor Smoak have put up much by way of production, but Smoak’s indicators would suggest that his production SHOULD improve.
It’s not guaranteed, but what’s the better option here?
That they are and blunt, I might add
heh
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Not really
Smoak’s batting average is bad but at least he walks sometimes, and even when Smoak makes an out there’s a chance the runner moves. Davis doesn’t walk but he does strike out a lot, which has no chance to move the runner over.
Smoak has an AVG of .178 but an OBP of .299. He gets on base 29.9 percent of the time. Davis had an AVG of .188, but an OBP of .264. He gets on base less often than Smoak does (26.4 percent). Further, both first basemen have grounded into two double plays, but Smoak has played 28 games while Davis played 15. Smoak has 4 HR, Davis had none. Davis had 17 strikeouts in 15 games, while Smoak has 16 in 28 games. Davis had one RBI; Smoak has 11. Heck, Smoak has one stolen base and Davis had none. Smoak has one sacrifice fly and Davis had none.
Even after taking a look at all those stats, none of which are even advanced sabermetric stats, how could anyone say that Davis has had better offense?
this game would have been a lot cooler
if the Rangers had won it.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
"It is a team with a lot of talent"
I think its a team that can beat up losing teams (21-7) and regularly lose to winning teams (4-12). I see it as a marginally above average team in a weak division more than a team with a lot of talent.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
by DJCahill on May 22, 2010 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think a lot of the reason...
…they don’t have a better record is that the team, as a whole, doesn’t have a very high baseball IQ.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
This as a very talented team, probably better than expected before the season, but their stupid play is what’s holding them back.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Quite a bit, IMO.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
They play the game how Ron wants them to play or lets them play.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Ian Kinsler played that way before Ron Washington was ever here
Ditto Josh Hamilton.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hasn't Wash been here longer than Hamilton?
Not disagreeing with you though
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
why would you mold a stupid baseball team?
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
you can parse the mistakes that all teams make and come up with similar observations.
The team is better than average in a weaker than average division. That may well be enough to take the division. However, I kind of expect the team to lose almost half their games against average teams, and a lot more than half against the good teams in the league, like the AL East leaders.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
A good team beats worse teams
and usually doesn’t do as well against other good teams. And this early in the season it may be kind of pointless to say they do well against teams below or above .500 because a lot of teams are very close to .500 right now.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
and a good chunk of the losses
can against NYY, BOS, and BJ’s.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
Well yeah
those are all probably better teams. Even though Boston has a worse record, its against better competition. The Rangers have been getting fat against bad teams like the Royals, Mariners, Baltimore, etc.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
most on the road, too
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And the NY-BOS trip
featured some of the stupidest baseball this team played this year. I can’t say for sure they lost because they were facing better teams. They played terribly over a small number of games, certainly does nothing to refute Adam’s point above.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I still think
its a team that does well against teams it should be able to beat, and poorly against better teams. That’s much better than some teams we have seen in the past that couldn’t put away the mutts of the league.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Well, the only team beating everyone right now
is Tampa, but I don’t really disagree with you. I think that even most good teams, though, fatten up against the chaff, and are middling against better teams.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
The cream
seems to be 500ish or better against the winning teams, and clean up on the chaff.
I think the Rangers are playing within the range of normal expectations. I think folks greatly overvalue this team after wins and greatly undervalue it after losses.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Well, yeah
postgame threads are not exactly times when we all put our rational thinking caps on.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Overvalue it how?
What do you think, in terms of wins, most here think the true talent level of the team is?
The mangers has a low IQ in conjunction with some not so intelligent baseball team.
He tries to counteract his low IQ by micromanaging which backfires even more
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I think myself the reason the team seems increasingly less intellegent
Is because they’ve been (increasingly) practicing the ill-advised “old school” theorems of their manager. They may like him and look up to him and all that fun stuff, but this is the downside of the players having respect for a manger who is about a half-century behind the times when it comes to baseball management.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Yes I agree,
I know the players like him and he is good with them. However, that doesn’t excuse the old school small ball methods, we aren’t working with Oakland’s payroll(although it’s pretty damn close). I have no reason to really unlike the man Ron Washington, I question why at 57 are you trying cocaine, but he seems like he cares. Which isn’t worth much in the win/loss column.
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I think baseball IQ
can be tied pretty closely to on base percentage.
Generally, a batter who is willing to take a walk is smart enough to recognize that walking is more valuable than hitting a long fly ball out. The Rangers hitters have been selected over the years to have high SLG at the cost of OBP. And to me, a batter who can’t let a high fastball go by on a 3-1 count for the walk cause they want to try for the home run is a low baseball IQ player.
Go Rice Owls!
Not really
seeing pitches and hitting the right ones is a skill, not just smarts.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
One thing though, in regards to O'Day vs. Nippert
Originally I agreed with your theory, but Nippert has been getting killed by left-handed batters this season. He was a whopping 7.02 FIP against them.
Which is in line with his career #’s, he had a 5.24 FIP (5.01 xFIP) against lefties for his career, against a 4.50 FIP vs. righties.
So bringing in Nippert with all those lefties on the Cubs bench would’ve been much worse than bringing in O’Day.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
yea i dont know why he's clamoring for nippert
hes by far our 2nd worst bullpen arm
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I have more confidence...
…in Nippert being able to deal with a plethora of PHs, and give you 2-3 innings, than O’Day.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
and
O’Day is prolly unavailable tomorrow
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Nippert has terrible problems with putting lefties on base
5.75 BB/9 against them for his career (vs. 3.26 BB/9 against righties) and over 9 BB/9 against lefties this season.
You throw him out there against a bunch of lefties, he’s gonna put some guys on base just like O’Day did, and odds are he blows the game, just like O’Day did.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Wash can't decide when to use O'Day or to tell him to shit
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
He's been using him better lately.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Ya, I'm glad he didn't use Happy, but that might have been the best thing.
I don’t know
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
How many years
are left on Young’s deal?
and are we seriously gonna trot his ass out to 3rd for the remainder of that deal?
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
No idea
what to do with him positionally. They are on the hook to him through 2013.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I swear he is
this things Michael Finley.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This Thing
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
except
Mark Cuban could more than afford his contract. Who knows whats gonna happen with this situation?
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Best case scenario, he eventually gets relegated to a backup role somehow
Worst case scenario, he’s our own version of Ken Griffey Jr.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
No way
he gets relegated to a backup role. I think the best case is they pick up a 3B and relegate him to DH.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
If he completely falls off a cliff I think it could happen
It would take some serious balls on the part of the team, but they had the guts to move him from SS for Elvis right after he won the GG…
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I wouldn't count out trading him.
Greenberg would have to eat some of the money but I think he would if it measurably improves the team.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
I would count out trading him
There’s no way they want to deal with the p.r. nightmare that would ensue.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would it be a PR nightmare
when you have Elvis standing there ready to be the FOTF.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Because he's Michael Young
Do you not remember the firestorm that ensued when they just wanted to move him off of shortstop?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the team in Dec 2011
will be much different then Dec 2008. In 2011 MY won’t be considered the most talented player on the team. He may not even be considered the FOTF.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Don't underestimate
the love affair that a lot of writers in Dallas have with him. When he has his hot streaks, those writers will hyperventilate with praise, and when he fouls up, you won’t here a single negative word in the press.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
People used to get angry...
…about criticism of Rusty Greer when he’d done nothing but rehab and collect paychecks for two seasons.
Unless the team has been in the World Series by 12/11, there’s going to be a firestorm if you pay some other team to take Michael Young.
And there would probably be a firestorm even if you have had a WS appearance.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
So JD should care about what the writers or fans think?
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
SO JD should not trade MY if it is going to improve the team
if the writers and fans don’t like it.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
No
But if you make a move that might improve the product on the field, but would so alienate the fan base that it impacts revenues significantly, that is something the GM has to consider.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, yep.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I agree
I don’t think they would trade MY in a salary dump so any move would be to improve the team. Also, winning will drive revenues more then who is on the field.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Yep, attendance went down the first year w/o Pudge.
And then skyrocketed the next year, which happened to be the winning 2004 team. And MY ain’t as popular as Pudge. Plus this team is a lot better equipped than the ’03 team.
Winning cures all.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Winning takes care of that.
All things pass.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
cause im sure Chuck is scared
of Evan Grant
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
I agree with AJM
It was ugly when they moved him to 3B. Trading him would bring out the pitchforks and burning torches.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by The Best Micah on May 22, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He is pretty much assured 3rd for this season and next
If he does really terrible and we have a nice prospect coming along then then there’s a chance he gets moved to DH. He hates DH though…
Oh, heck no
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by The Best Micah on May 22, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No he didnt
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
who doesn't hate DH?
a FA who wants one more year and the other option is retiring.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
It doesn't bother me that he would undoubtly cry about it
I just think he’d end up sucking as DH as well.
I think
I’d relegate his ass to Max Newberg’s personal coach. Maybe he could fill in for Scott Lucas on occasion as well.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Be ready for a trade request ha
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Come on, man
FOX isn’t gay.
It is bi-curious.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They went full gay
When they decided to show the NYY-NYM game. Why was I under the impression it was supposed to be the Rangers game this weekend?
It's a game you chalk up on the manager....had to show he still has his thumb on Max by replacing him in a tie game.
I’m gonna trust the sun comes up tomorrow and leave this one by the poolside bar tonight watching MLB Tonight with the volume down and listening to XM 45.
Ya’ll have fun blaming this one on The Face.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Wash isn't the one...
…who kicked an easy grounder to first base, or dragassed on a chopper with the bases loaded in the 10th.
There’s lots of blame to go around. Wash deserves some, but don’t try to sell this is a “chalk up on the manager” loss.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Who needlessly put Matt Treanor in the game tonight and than
sat there like the dumb motherfucker that he is when Treanor came up in the 9th inning with two on and a chance to win the game?
Sure glad we had that extra special dollop of so much needed Matt Treanor defense in the top of the 9th inning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
but was that the main reason we
of dazzle my ass…..
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
I guess it's just me and you
wanting to see more Max. This, more than anything else (game management-wise) has driven me closer to insanity.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I don't think that's true at all
most everybody here wants Treanor either gone or put into a reduced role, and recognizes that Max (and possibly Salty) is the best option at C right now. I just think it’s dumb to place the blame squarely on Wash’s shoulders for that one move when there were so many other mistakes in execution.
Oh...I agree that there were a million other errors in execution on the field that contributed to the loss
but I’m tired of this team having to fight the errors of in-game management. Bad plays on the field are gonna happen…that’s what happens when split-second decisions are made. But there is no excuse for the constant managerial boondoggles. Can you imagine what this team would be capable of IF they had a manager that didn’t constantly screw things up with questionable moves?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I agree with everything you said.
I mostly just took exception to the “I guest it’s just me and you wanting to see more Max” comment. Mostly because I think everyone wants to see more Max.
it doesn't seem like it sometimes on LSB
my fellow former Wildcat.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I think very few people here
wanted Max taken out of that game tonight, if any.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Wash needs to be slapped until he stops running the Blackhole
out there to catch when the game is tied or we are down.
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I had been watching on Fox
And decvided to go to the mailbox to pick up today’s mail. I didn’t even know Max was out of the lineup until I came back inside and Treanor was in the on deck circle. One more little instance of a decision to sub somone leaving fang marks in the buttocks.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 22, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm the only person here...
…who even is willing to consider that Treanor’s defense might outweigh Max’s offense.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I've considered it
and I’ve been very loudly criticized for it. But even I would NEVER take Max out of a close game in that situation. I want his bat in the lineup right there. AND, if Treanor had started tonight I would have been pinch hitting Max for him there, too. With every passing day my willingness to go with Treanor’s supposed defense advantage wanes. Right now I’d be starting Max 3 days a week minimum and hitting for Treanor at every opportunity.
I’d also be on the phones constantly and watching Salty (and his head dr.) like a hawk.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
opposite day
I think the difference between Max’s D and Treanor’s D is less then the difference on thier offense.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
I'm willing to consider it
but I’m also willing to give Max more starts, because the downside of not starting Treanor seems pretty small. Might as well use this time to see what you have with Max, because you know what you have with Treanor.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
That's pretty ratonal
and more persuasive than OHMYGODTREANOR SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111, which is the tenor of much of the discussion here about the catchers. Frustrated fans overreact and leap at any possible solution. Often we’re even right about the eventual solution. But we’re also often quite wrong about how easy it is in reality for the manager, GM, etc. to make a move like that, or how quickly it’s wise to act on what seems to be true.
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How does Trenor
stack up against Kevin Richardson? We may not have a solution to the catcher position but that does not preclude one from concluding that Treanor indees SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
They're probably pretty much the same damn player.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Which speaks more to how crazy it is that Treanor is getting playing time up here than it does to the ability to Richardson.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Kevin Richardson has 5 homers in the minors and is now at OKC,
for what it is worth, which I know isn’t much
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
x
How is it that two spares can have such good looking wives? Is the Natural Selection off kilter?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
They are Baseball players that is it.
Girls flock to them like no other. It’s clearly evident with the guys I know that play college ball they can’t beat them off with the bat
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I disagree
Because I don’t think Treanor’s D is all that either.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I don't get it, the play on the Byrnes' botched squeeze
is his key to any door. His best asset is he hasn’t fucked up back there, but neither has Max.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
That play is what's keeping him there, since Wash hasn't seen Max do much,
although Max can hold his own
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
But the argument Adam has made, and I agree with completely
is that you and I have very, very little idea about his defense. The org’s scouts, coaches, minor league instructors, manager and front office know a hell of a lot more about Max’s defense than we do. If Max was thought of — by ANY team’s scouts — to be close to average defensively for a catcher, he’d be a very sought after prospect, and not just for a broken down Mike Lowell.
I find it hard to believe that 30 teams’ evaluations have missed something that LSB blog commenters haven’t on his defense. The longer Treanor plays, the easier it becomes to argue that at least we’re getting to the point where Max’s bat might outweigh, or at least be close enough, Treanor’s defense to start him. But that argument about playing time should not hinge on Max’s defense. Max is a bat first, and like Young, he likely needs to hit a ton to justify having him at catcher very often.
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this is the same
staff/mgt/scouts that touted the D of Teagarden…..and Borbon. And plays FACE at 3rd. I am calling their D evaluators into question, at least a little.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So an org that is lauded league-wide for its talent eval
and has guys like Jim Sundberg and Scott Servais looking at its catchers should be trusted less than the eyeballs of frustrated fans?
And throwing the WILDLY different circumstances around Borbon and Young in there is just completely inane, irrelevant.
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position players
this team has developed? Elvis, ?, ?, ?, ?. maybe Nellie, although I swear they were done with him when they sent him down a couple of years ago.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh
Elvis, Smoak, Teixeira, Kinsler, Cruz, Davis, Young. The team has stressed acquiring pitching lately, almost to a fault.
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I think they improved Hamilton's D since he has been here....
and our pitchers haave always been able to field their position well, imo
don't
our pitchers annually lead the league in errors.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You've brought up
batting average as an indicator of offensive effectiveness and errors as an indicator of defensive effectiveness. Hmm…
by AsDevilsRun on May 22, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I should have
given that a little more thought. I was focused on the last two years and I have seen Davis, Smaok, Borbon, Max, Teagarden, and Salty ALL underperform to varying levels. You cab argue Smoak and his SSS but don’t you agree the others have all been less than was advertised?
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Elvis is a budding star, Teixeira is a star, Kinsler is a star, Cruz is an all-star level player, Young has outplayed what he was projected for as a prospect. Davis was what, a 5th round draft pick out of juco? Blalock was disappointing, but overall I’d say that’s a pretty stellar record of player development.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
That's really not too abnormal
if you look at the track records of other teams. Developing prospects is tricky business, it’s just that failures are overtly obvious when it’s your favorite team.
gagree
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And as for Davis, Smoak, Borbon, Max, etc.
Those players are all still pretty young and it’s too early to say they’re disappointing. They’re disappointing so far, but all still have plenty of time to be contributors, and the expectations for some were too high in the first place (from us, not sure about the team).
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Can we take full credit for Max,
since we acquire him for Kenny Lofton? Just wondering
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
He's been here long enough
to get at least some credit.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
they knew Borbon's D was a liability in the Bigs
why do you think he DHd the entire 2009 season when he played? he has been working on his D everyday since, and its not as much his D as the noodle arm he posesses
oh
dear. I most certainly thought his D was his ticket to the majors when he was drafted. That bat of his certainly won’t be enough to keep him around if he’s not a well above average CF’er.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
did you watch him last year or in monors??
he was called up last year if im not mistaken, to hit RHP and be speed off bench. also was one of the better OBP guys for team last year
That's the thing though
There is evidence that Treanor’s D is spectacular, and it would have to be truly spectacular to outweigh the fact he’s hitting below Taylor Teagarden levels.
Like Johnny fucking Bench spectacular.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Is NO evidence, rather.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Well, we do have evidence that he's not hitting anywhere near Teagarden level.
And it’s that kind of statement that makes me skeptical of your argument. Treanor’s wOBAr is .311, quite acceptable for a catcher.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Statcorner also lists his actual wOBA as .287
Almost 20 points higher than what Fangraphs says (.269).
Perhaps they don’t include baserunning and stuff like Fangraphs does, I dunno, but I’m inclined to roll with Fangraphs there.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Last year, when we thought we got nothing but a black hole from our catchers, it was .281
And Salty’s was .287.
Treanor is far worse than either one right now, according to fangraphs.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I'm comparing him to Teagarden's numbers last year.
When everybody thought we couldn’t possibly get worse production from the catchers position.
This year he only had 30-some PA’s, so I don’t see the point in that.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I'd love to see stats that support his great defense...
…because I’m not seeing it with my eyes.
by Bats and Balls on May 22, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the problem.
There are no stats, for/against either Treanor or Max, that are reliable.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
Out of curiosity
when you say “defense,” are you including his game calling and ability to handle a pitching staff vs. Max’s?
I think you're correct.
The closest thing we’ve got outside of mostly guessing and clamoring about specific events which only begin to be a part of the entire picture is DRS. And Max has Treanor beat in the tiny sample size of this season by being merely average.
I don't think that's true, Adam.
In fact, I know it’s not. I definitely think there’s at the very least a possibility it does. I don’t think it does, but I can’t speak with any defensible confidence on that.
And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone. You’re just the most vocal about it (and maybe someone else should back you up, but it’s hard to defend).
Based on what..specifically?
Remember what a piece of shit Matt Treanor is on offense before answering.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on May 23, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Because all I saw in the GDT was people throwing shit fits over Wash subbing Treanor in for defensive purposes. I honestly can’t think of a poster that still sees much value in him.
Should MY have gone home with that grounder. Yes or No.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
only if he charged the ball
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
You go home with it...
no matter what.
You’re already down a run in extra innings. You can allow another run to score there.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
What was he supposed to do when Treanor came up....
…other than sit there?
It was a stupid move, but there’s also somewhere around a 60-70% chance the Rangers lose anyway with Max in the game.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
when the sub was made at the start of the inning
wouldnt it have to be 50/50 win/lose?
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
unless im mistaken
trenor was subbed to start the 9th. wouldnt it have to be 50/50 win expectancy at that point?
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
you may mean
if max had still been in the game and im going to the point when max was removed. and thats why im confused.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
I mean that...
…there was somewhere between a 30 and 40% chance that Max would have gotten the runner home in the 9th, or would have gotten on base and whoever was up next would have gotten the runner home.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Putting Treanor in the game at that point
is like letting the pitcher bat and then relieving him to lead off the next inning in an NL game.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I agree...
…and really, we wouldn’t be talking about it all that much if it weren’t for the fact that somebody superglued the damn bat to his shoulder.
by Bats and Balls on May 22, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
This loss hurts, but not terribly
I watched with my parents (Cubs fans). I got dirty looks for praising Holland and Andrus. But it was all good natured. The way the Rangers lost was just kind of sad. I can’t figure out why Young didn’t go home on that bases loaded slow hit. There was no chance at a DP. shakes head
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
Did you marry Elvis since he is now married?
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
IF positioning
Why was MY playing back in the 10th with runners on 1st and 3rd? Don’t most teams play the corners in? Also, last night, why was MY virtually standing on top of the foul line in the 8th which allowed 2 balls to get by him? Who positions the infielders?
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
He was...
trying to hide his weaknesses through positioning.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 22, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The
only pace to “hide” his D is on the bench.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And you know this how exactly?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Mark Grace said that?
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
I don't remember which one said it.
I didn’t start watching til the 8th so it was some time after that… it was said that Wash talked to him about his positioning and told him that he could take a couple steps away from the line when he’s playing back… something like that.
He is a royal beating
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
most teams play 2 at the plate and 2 in the middle in a situation like that...
so yeah Smoak and MY should have been playing in with a 5-2-3 DP but apparently we don’t get the Little League memo that you do that with bases loaded and 1 out
So much unprovable, emotion-driven subjective. Just really silly stuff.
Much of the sabermetric community harps on the in-game decisions made by managers. We love to dissect the tiny differences between bringing in a closer in the 8th inning or batting a slow but excellent hitter in the leadoff slot. The impacts of those decisions tend to be minimal over the course of the season – usually costing teams only a few runs over 162 games.
So true… yet your emotion won’t just let you keep from going full DMN stupid into completely subjective, totally unprovable land.
5-1 homestand, on pace for 92 wins despite the 11th best group of starters in the AL… and yet the manager needs to be fired and anybody saying otherwise must be banned.
Just hilarious. So juvenile.
Have I ever said Washington needs to be fired?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever gone a week without bashing him?
Have you ever acknowledged that the impacts of [his] decisions tend to be minimal over the course of the season – usually costing [the Rangers] only a few runs over 162 games?
OK.
So try sticking to the latter when the Rangers lose tough games.
Especially while on pace to win 92 despite the well below average starting rotation they are once again working with.
well below starting rotation??
the one with an ERA just a tick over 4?
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
still, they look to be turning it around honestly
harden looks to have his worst starts behind him (hopefully), holland is way better than harrison and feldman can’t continue to be this bad/unlucky. CJ and Lewis are good.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
they may be on apce to win 92
but they won’t unless thier SP improves
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
And I don't think many people expected a 92 win performance, so I doubt that's too big a deal to most.
Yep
sounds about right. And its probably enough to win the division. I just hope the Angels can bury themselves early.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I should say I think there's a good chance they win a few more.
Partly by the fact that it’s slightly unlikely the division winner only wins 86 and partly from beating up on teams that have become sellers late in the year.
But I’m only talking about 2 or 3 more wins there, and that’s actual record, not true talent.
No
But I wouldn’t blame you in the slightest if you did. Very few people would.
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by Conjunction on May 22, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
what took you so long?
if you would have chimed in an hour ago we’d have 1000 posts already
I only unbanned him an hour or two ago
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
over/under on how long before you do it again?
I got 45 minutes
and please understand
i’m hoping for the under
why did it take so long? or
why did you unban him?
Do you have to unban manually?
That kind of sucks, if so.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
make sure to announce the next ban
so I can settle up on the over/under bets
Rangers100 = the Kanye West of Rangers fans
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on May 23, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but laugh at this
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
The only thing I can say about the game...
is that there would have been 75,000 people at the game tonight if it had been in downtown Dallas.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 22, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
"in-game decisions"
is the key phrase and I gnerally agree with it on that particular game.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
I had to read it a few times.
He didn’t say Wash makes a lot of in-game decisions, just that there are a lot of in-game decisions made poorly.
I don’t view this as a Wash-specific basing post.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I didn’t watch the game, thanks to Fox showing LA-Detroit
But it looks like I’m lucky to have missed it.
So, it is hard to get too upset by a game like this – they’ve won many games like this, and lost many as well. It is what happens when a team plays for 1 run all the time, like Adam says – you win or lose by a run more often than not. Seems like almost half the games this year have been decided in the final inning, and seems like they’re on pace for more extra inning games than you normally see.
I’m about at the point where it is pretty clear to me that Wash is a disaster as an in-game manager. But JD and Nolan have been sticking with him for some reason, and it isn’t because they’re impressed with his strategy. Either they can’t make any move until after the ownership changes, or they don’t want to rock the boat in the clubhouse, or what – I don’t know. But he’s just not a good manager, and JD is watching the same games we have this year – he knows that.
Go Rice Owls!
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I’m about at the point where it is pretty clear to me that Wash is a disaster as an in-game manager. But JD and Nolan have been sticking with him for some reason, and it isn’t because they’re impressed with his strategy. Either they can’t make any move until after the ownership changes, or they don’t want to rock the boat in the clubhouse, or what – I don’t know.
Surely it can’t be that the Rangers are 3 games in first place and on pace to win 92 games. Because the list of managers that have been fired at such points during seasons is very, very long.
I have no idea.
I don’t even know what a good in-game manager is or how one would even begin to quantifiably prove a claim that any manager is (beyond pointing to W/L records). Do you? If so, I’d love to see your numbers.
In this instance
I don’t know that there are any numbers that can be given. I don’t think it’s a quantifiable attribute. I was just curious as to your opinion based on games you’ve watched this year.
Not everything is judged on numbers.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
LOL.
Of course not.
Especially when there’s a hated manager needing to be bashed. Then all that sabermetric wisdom goes right out the window.
Funny how that works.
Again.
Not everything is judged off numbers. Or shouldn’t be anyway. If you know anything about baseball at all then you know that Ron Washington makes a lot of dumb decisions. I won’t argue it with you any further than that because there is no point. You’re just flat out wrong if you suggest otherwise.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
My logic extends to the fact they decided
to give him an extension last summer and to keep him for the job going into this year. He was a bunt-happy, bullpen mismanaging disaster last year and before that as well.
Now, I’m open to the point that maybe he’s offering the team something far more useful in terms of player development, clubhouse dynamics, etc. Something we aren’t aware of out here. But it is clear he isn’t Earl Weaver out there during the game.
Go Rice Owls!
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He was a bunt-happy, bullpen mismanaging disaster last year and before that as well.
Can you link me to some quantifiable data proving this claim?
well
according to baseball reference
In sacrifice hits/bunts, the rangers have ranked no. 1 (2007), 4 (2008), 5 (2009), and 1 (2010) in the American League.
In 2010, the Rangers already have 20 sacrifices. They’re just over 1/4th through the season. So they’re looking at 75 sacrifices at this pace. Way over the most in the league in recent years.
So yeah, it is quantifiable that he is a bunt-happy disaster.
Go Rice Owls!
Core point
Goes without mention – giving away an out is always giving away an out, even when it’s a suitable way to play for a run. Call it deliberate weaking of the immune system.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 22, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good grief no
More like susceptibility to mess-up virus ..
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 23, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
OK. Good start.
Now, how many runs have those sacrifice bunts cost us? How many losses below replacement manager are we due to those bunts?
Who the hell knows
But lets assume that it is one loss below replacement manager. That isn’t very much, is it? You could probably agree that having twice as many bunts as average is worth about one fewer win in the standings, wouldn’t you? 40 bunts over a season… well…. that is a lot of negative run expectancy plays
So just for the sake of argument, one loss only. Can you tell me why would you want a manager who is one loss worse than replacement level?
Go Rice Owls!
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But lets assume that it is one loss below replacement manager.
No thanks.
Let me know when you have some quantifiable data to go with your very strongly held beliefs about radical moves that need to be made.
Do you have any quantifyable data that he's better than
or at least equal to a replacement level manager?
Because I just brought some data to the table. Yeah, it isn’t entirely conclusive. So prove me wrong. Show me something that says “well, look at that, Wash actually is a good manager.” I’m a scientist. I like data. So me some data yourself.
Go Rice Owls!
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Because I just brought some data to the table.
Ha. You pointed to a very surface level stat focusing on what makes up a very, very tiny percentage of a season’s at bats.
My data? On pace for 92 wins.
a very, very tiny percentage of a season's at bats?
They’ve had 20 sac bunts in 44 games, not counting today’s game. That’s about 1 free out they’re handing the other team every other game. You may think that’s trivial, but it is far from it.
Managers don’t make many decisions that affect the game, as we all know. They put together the lineups (someone can quantify the efficiencies of the lineups, I doubt it is that big a deal), they handle the bullpen, which is hard to quantify but subjectively it is hard to argue that that is a strength, though I suspect Maddux is more to blame than Wash is for anything there. And there is in game strategy offensively – bunting, stealing, pinch hitting, pinch running, etc.
Sure, that latter stuff is a relatively minor part of the whole game. But it is a significant part of what a manager can actually do to affect he outcomes. So why again would you have someone who is giving up any outs there at all? 1/2 an out a game. Why would you hire/keep a manager who costs you half an out a game?
And 40% of the time that out you are giving up is Elvis Andrus.
Go Rice Owls!
What do the changes in win expectancy,
adjusted for the specifics of those situations, add up to so far this year? How does that total compare to the totals of the other MLB managers so far this year?
OK, you want stats...
Here’s stats.
I just spent the last hour or so going through baseball-reference’s play-by-plays for all Rangers games this year, searching for successful sacrifice bunts (bunts that resulted in a fielder’s choice taking out one of the other runners were not counted; neither was the one sac bunt attempt that resulted in the batter reaching base on an error).
If you use B-R’s WPA statistics for each of these plays (which I did), the successfully-executed sacrifice bunts this year have (through the Friday night game) cost us -0.20 wins so far this year, giving Wash a SBWPA (sac bunt WPA) of -0.20. This gives him a SBWPA/162 (notation should be self-explanatory) of -0.74.
This assumes that the root cause of the sac bunt being used was the manager (even in cases in which the player claimed responsibility—I think we can safely agree that Wash is encouraging the practice).
I don’t have data on other managers yet (I’ll probably do a fan post sometime this week with data for the rest of the AL), so I don’t know where Wash falls in this respect in relation to the rest of the league…but I’d kinda prefer a manager who wasn’t projecting to cost us a (rounded) win for the year.
I dont like Wash
But seriously, everyone is going crazy over 0.74 wins for the season? No data to back this up but there are probably more important things that Wash does for the Rangers that make up for that 0.74 wins.
by hedowhathedo on May 23, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Just one aspect of the job
And one that someone has been so kind as to quantify for us.
There’s still several other factors that are just as maddening.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
until someone with a press pass
consistently brings to light the in-game management disaster, removing Wash will be unpopular with the non LSB fan. I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen but it is similar to the sub-thread above about moving MY off 3B. Not many managers are replaced when a team has won 20 of 30
x
consistently brings to light the in-game management disaster, removing Wash will be unpopular with the non LSB fan.
If that is true, that says a whole lot more (none of it any good) about LSB regulars than it does about anyone else.
But the DMN and other sites are filled with people wanting Washington fired as well.
It may be 2010, and the Rangers may be on pace to win 92 games and the AL West, despite Washington having been given the 11th best starting rotation in the AL so far, but this is still Texas.
the casual fan is generally uneducated and emotionally driven
I trust the LSB fan to make better use of all information rather than only base judgement on what beat writers choose to write about that particular day
90 minutes, give or take, between your unbanning and your first use of the race card
You’re slacking.
I kinda want him gone again
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I don't think the average fan will care
I think the average fan is still mad he still has a job from the cocaine incident, whereas I think most LSBers are willing to overlook that
Go Rice Owls!
I generally agree
but the average sports fan in this market is extremely forgiving, especially when their team is winning. So I think firing Wash tomorrow would leave most fans scratching their heads. Not to mention the players would throw a fit. For now this team will have to win in spite of in-game management mistakes.
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consistently brings to light the in-game management disaster, removing Wash will be unpopular with the non LSB fan
Can you give me some quantifiable data showing how many games below replacement manager we are? How do you know that the rest of the managers aren’t making even more in-game management mistakes?
my favorite
thing is how fans can’t stand up and scream “you suck” because the organization is fan friendly but the mgr snorted a used David’s sunflower seed bag full of coke. They should have billboards explaining that to the kids.
Yeah, I’m overlooking it…..
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i bet you were sooooo happy they lost tonight
so you could post all the bad things you’ve been waiting to say about this team. lol, its actually kinda funny how negative you are
Lame.
AJM doesn’t bash the team and obviously wants them to win.
The problem is that he is by nature a highly temperamental person who frequently rejects the instruction his knowledge of the game offers for such situations.
It’s fun to take emotional, irrational responses when things don’t go as one wishes, especially in sports. So he indulges his fan club with the irrational outbursts, even when he knows better.
Yeah but it just seems
as if no matter what, we could be on a 7 game win streak, and he’ll have some negative thing to say. it just gets annoying after a while
It is to get everyone all riled up and pissy so they post more.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He gets overly excited after wins, and overly pessimistic after losses.
Just how he is. Like many here, he talks a big sciency numbers and logic game when the going’s easy… but in the foxhole all of that goes out the window.
Unfortunate too, as that is the time at which it’s most necessary and advisable.
Yeah
My post tonight was certainly all irrational and overly emotional.
Good call there, chief.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
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The reality is, this isn’t a team that does the “little things” well. It is a team with a lot of talent that relies on its talent to overcome the fact that it doesn’t do the little things well, and to overcome the fact that there are a lot of questionable in-game decisions that get made on a regular basis.
Data quantifying this?
Is this your new thing?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Of course.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Just trying to get some supposedly Sabermetric loving people to
quit doing DMN-style subjective and get back to fact-based judgements.
Odd that with Ron Washington that can’t be done. Go figure.
there is really only one stat with managers that matters
Wins. At least until the expectations are higher then just winning
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
After waiting till I calmed down after that bull shit loss this is what I want to happen…. Just what I want not that it will happen.
-Matt (My wife is fuckin fine) Treanor needs to be sent to AAA. He really is not a competent hitter and I don’t really see much difference in the defense
- Salty called up to be starting catcher and rotate back up first duties with Max Ram. I would rather see Salty launching RUBES to Nelson in the outfield than to ever see Matt Treanor catch another game for this club unless Salty , Max and Tea Bags are all injured.
-Joaquin( I am not good enough to be on the team but good enough not to be in the minors)Arias back down to AAA as Andres Blanco would be utility second short third.
- Justin ( I am a Phenomenal hitter, I promise) Smoak back down to AAA for Chris (Last Chance) Davis to play 1st base and bat 8th. I have more confidence in Smoak than Davis but Smoak is just so damn frustrating. At least Davis can play go first base.
-Julio (I’m fast but I can’t get on base) Borbon down and Craig (Give me a chance) Gentry back up to play Center and Back up outfield.
Dustin ( I can throw 95 but can’t fucking throw a strike) Nippert and Guillermo (I just fucked myself by not throwing strikes with a huge lead) Moscoso back down to minors for two pitchers who can THROW FUCKING STRIKES and not walk a batter per inning. Maybe Sheppers or Ogando I don’t really care just someone to THROW FUCKING STRIKE AND NOT GROOVE PITCHES.
IT has so much more to do with the players than it does Ron Washington. All you want from a major league manager is to make out the lineup card and get along with the players and he has done that. People put too much stock into what managers do, they are just there that is it. They are just figure heads.
I know no one will agree but I just had to say what I was feeling after that atrocity of a game.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
I know but this is not just a one game thing I have been feeling like this for a while. I am actully exited for the rest of the season and think we have a good shot at the division but let’s give some others a shot cause what we have is not helping us win in a few spots.
I am one of the few that actually like Ron Washington on here.
I really like Smoak and Borbon but they are just not doing anything right now. Smoak has hit the ball hard and it just keeps getting caught and it has killed his confidence.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Needs to be chopped up into about 6-7 posts and distributed in at least 3 minute intervals
That way it can keep my interest heh
Nah
When you let of steam, it’s healthy to just let it go.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 22, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I have too much time on my hands! And I am rather Irked at the game.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
I just don’t think Misty Treanor is all that.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I like her but that is my opinion.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
thats a lot of nicknames
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Just random feelings on each player really.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on May 22, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
yea i understand
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on May 22, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude.
After 5 straight wins we lost in extra innings to the 3rd highest paid group of players in MLB, despite our lead-off man going 0-5, our 1-3 hitters going 2-15, our 1B making a terrible error to allow an early run, and our best reliever so far this year getting lit up.
I’m actually pretty impressed we kept it so close on a night when so many of our best players so far this year were having horrible nights. Another good sign that this is the best Rangers team ever.
Agree with you about Wash
He isn’t perfect but he does what’s most important for the team to win, in my opinion.
by hedowhathedo on May 23, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
the real worry about Salty is that
even if he gets over the yips and hits average +, he is not known for calling a good game. I have heard this from some of the pitchers
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
I hate when I get half way through reading a post
before I realize it’s Rangers100. I try to ignore anything he says
by Mike E on May 22, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't.
I read what he says, but I picture a 14 year old with an ascot and Sherlock Holmes pipe that blows bubbles.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 22, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where are your season tickets located?
(Don’t have to give me a number. Just general location.)
Just curious.
Do you seriously not ever joke around with your friends about the scene out there?
I'm still pretty sure you're bitter about Arlington because UTA rejected your application.
That sucks, dude, they accepted me and I have a GED.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
x
Do you seriously not ever joke around with your friends about the scene out there?
Of course you do. Every single game I bet.
Why don't you just come clean about being TexasDawg?
I mean, we all know the truth. Why don’t you just admit it? It’s clear that even though we know, you haven’t been permanently banned again.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 22, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because...
he doesn’t know what a TexasDawg is?!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Heh
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Bah
I’m frustrated.
Among other things… why is it the Dutch Oven’s flyballs always seem to find a way out of the park? I mean… one would think his HR/FB rate would normalize at some point, right?
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Not necessarily
I think the HR/FB normalization owes in part to selection bias.
If Clay Condrey were out there pitching, more than 10% of fly balls would go for homers.
If you give up a significantly higher rate of HRs to FBs, you end up being an irrelevant data point because you won’t stick in the majors very long.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
The reason eliminating most, or even all, of balls in play data makes for a better predictive and estimation tool isn’t because pitchers don’t have any ability to control to keep balls in the park and get outs in play. It’s because the pitchers who stick an the MLB level have pretty similar abilities there.
Interesting
That makes a lot of sense, actually.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 23, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
"one would think"
depends on who you are.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions
holy shite
reply fail, post fail, human fail. eject, abort.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on May 22, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm disappointed that Rangers100 and Josey have never gotten into it
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions
underrated.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 23, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
The other night.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Unfair to JW.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Si, I think Scientific Joseyfact won
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
No, we haven't.
Rangers100 not only would get his ass kicked, he’s also smart enough to know his limitations.
If he wanted to take a run, he would have done so by now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on May 23, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
They did the other night.
It wasn’t nearly the bout that it was billed to be. I was kind of disappointed.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Have done so numerous times.
He loves wild, irrational, unprovable, emotion-based, strongly held beliefs as well.
It is good that you are here...
…to be the lone voice supporting rationality and quantification in a wilderness of Neanderthals.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this forum was comprised entirely of UT Law School grads
and people of similar educational and socioeconomic backgrounds, you know as well as I do the overall tone of the place on several issues would be very, very different.
I like to bust you on departing from your Sabermetric inclinations in order to stir up some of the riff-raff here that you would quickly disassociate yourself from offline, but I do like and appreciate your interest in inciting them. It’s pretty funny.
The posters here are...
disproportionately j.d.’s. Do you mean lawyers generally, or only UT grads?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
They aren't the majority or anything close to it.
And I said “UT Law School grads and people of similar educational and socioeconomic backgrounds” [as that of your brother].
What's Adam's socioeconomic background?
Do you know? I happen to know because we grew up together, but since you speak so knowingly of him, perhaps you could fill me in?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Aren't most partners of law firms also rat bastard
lying sacks of shit who happen to be well paid?
If we’re being truly honest…
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on May 23, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That's his socioeconomic status.
Not his socioeconomic background. So you’ve somehow gleaned the socioeconomic status of the majority of the posters here, yet you’re faulting people above for questioning the effect of Wash’s in-game decisions on the club’s record? To use your phrasing, do you have some kind of quantifiable data to back up your assertion, here?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice dodge.
Funny how badly you fight to spin the very obvious here. Not really sure what the point of that is, but good luck with that.
Well, I think this is an interesting point.
You keep talking about how we shouldn’t generalize about Wash, yet you generalize quite freely about this issue.
(blows bubbles with bubble pipe and adjusts ascot to more jaunty angle).
And what, pray tell, am I dodging?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I think the point is that...
…Ben knows where I (and he) have come from — my “background,” if you will — and it is very different from where I am now.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
OK.
“Background” wasn’t the best word choice. I simply meant the current level of ability and socioeconomic status of the poster.
It’s not a radical point. It’s just reality.
Like I said, I don’t blame you for leaving the forum open as a free for all with little concern for ability, intelligence, achievement, etc.. More traffic, more ad sales, crazier threads, more fun inciting and laughing at various riff raff, etc.
But you would never participate in any serious legal, academic or even social forum or club offline that had such a policy. For good reason.
Current or former socioeconomic status
does not equal intelligence, and it most certainly does not equal baseball intelligence. You would be an ass no matter what your “background” was.
The fact that you can’t discern how a talented team could be in first place despite a manager weak on tactics is telling. You’re forgetting that the other three teams in the division have glaring weaknesses, the players on the field have far more to do with wins and losses than the manager’s in game decisions, and you never ask how much better might they be if Wash made better decisions from time to time.
Everyone here is aware of Wash’s strengths in people skills and coaching defense. We are extremely disappointed that he has not worked more on his weaknesses in tactics over the last few years. Excessive bunting, removing a strong bat for a weak one late in a close game, forgetting to have Feliz warmed up — these are serious issues that can cost a team trying to win now important games.
If you don’t get that, you’re an idiot, and I don’t care how much money you make, what your IQ is, how many degrees you have, or how many cotillions you went to as a child.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
by t ball on May 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not a UT law school grad
UT would not accept my application because my undergrad grades *at UT) were too low.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
OK.
My bad.
You’re still a partner at a law firm. That alone places you in a level of career accomplishment (and thus, likely, general intellect and ability) well above pretty much everyone here.
Put together a group of regulars similarly credentialed, and you’d have a very different place.
Much less traffic… but a very, very different level of discussion, for whatever that’s worth.
Wow...
you’re quite the status conscious little scamp, aren’t you? It’s kind of cute, really.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Oh, the drama.
Why do you and your friends laugh at the Ballpark scene… but you get all offended at similarly honest discussion of the situation here?
Really weird.
What ballpark scene am I laughing about?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I laugh at toolsheds...
that adopt a ridiculous (and anonymous) internet persona, complete with “above it all” airs, and then obsessively come back to an internet site that repeatedly bans them (with a new persona with “above it all” airs). Oh, and gets banned from other sites for posting there in a pique because you can’t vent your spleen here.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not dodging anything.
I’m usually too engrossed in the game or conversation when I’m there to “laugh at much of the crowd at the ballpark.” Why would I care about the crowd at the ballpark?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Walking in? Walking out? In the car ride home after the game?
The next day at lunch?
Really… never?
I very highly doubt that.
this is bizarre
I imagine it’s similar to a racist saying, “really, you don’t think black people are on average dumber than white people.”
Why would I laugh at the crowd at ballpark?
Why would I care to laugh at them?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
You have to be kidding.
There’s no way you are being honest here.
Let me ask you this… have you ever tried to give away your tickets the day of a Rangers game to people in Dallas?
Ben's Tarrant County folk
Dallas people treat him like he’s one of hte mutants on Futurama.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I live in Lake Worth.
Why on earth would I be giving away tickets in Dallas? What the fuck would I be doing in Dallas anyway?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Got it.
Do you think your ignorance of the most densely and heavily populated area of the Metroplex could be skewing your judgement of the optimal revenue-generating location of the Rangers’ ballpark?
Do you think that...
your pathetically affected airs convince anyone of your status or intellect? Reading your posts reminds me of any movie ever written about smart people… “this is the way smart people act, right?”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
i'm still having trouble with this
Dallas vs. the metroplex attitude.
I know people that live in Dallas. They aren’t all that different than people who live in Arlington, or Carrollton, or Irving.
There is no, “I’d never go west of belt line” mentality that you seem to think there is.
OTOH, it’d be amazing if there were people like you. Except, unless you are from highland park, and really southern aristocracy, you’d be full of shit
by ab03 on May 23, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, shit!
Highland Park?! Maybe TDawg = Rangers100 = Miles?!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
and really
miles is what people of that background are usually like. they don’t throw their money or status around, and certainly not proactively by coming to a message board of commoners.
But they also have the chance of being a little dim
I'm not in this socioeconomic soup
But you’ve just clarified the difference between anyone with class (living in any location) from the plastic wannabees who may think accumulation of wealth = affixation of quality. Unfortunately, along with the many Dallasites who are quality people, there are many whose plastic pretensions are their only venue for self esteem.
I think 100 is playing the plastic card just to agitate you.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 23, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
get to the point of what you're trying to tapdance around
about how most people in Dallas are not millionaire lawyers. Some of them work in (GAH!) construction, or maybe even plumbers and that type of shiftless, untrustworthy ilk. And, because they aren’t privvy to the information in the newspapers and internet since they can’t read, then their baseball opinions are stupid and irrelevant.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
i don't think that's what he's saying
I could be wrong, but I think he’s saying that Dallas people would never go to a game in Arlington and hang out with commoners
Yeah, maybe he's never seen eastbound 30 after a game.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I meant to say Arlington
in my ambien-fueled posting fit. My bad..
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Ben doesn't think of suck things
because he’s too busy wearing solid gold diapers and gettig daily $8000 haircuts.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
The girl I pay to give me constant blowjobs...
is from Arlington and I’d hate to lose her. Training replacements for those positions is such a bitch.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"constant blowjobs?" So does she just keep going after
you know, you finish? Or does she just know when you’re ready again? Perhaps that’s why it’s so hard to find a good replacement.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Ben just walks around all the time with a trench coach draped over the front of his pants
to hide his “assistant to the personal assistant” getting her 40-hours in under the coat.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 23, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
and I'm officially in Zombie mode
so I’m checking out before my posts start looking that that one idiot who’s bit is to do fanshots while pretending he’s retarded.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I go to school with a lot of toolsheds, like the aforementioned Rangers100
Their logic and reasoning is on par of junior high girl
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
it's too difficult to see the plebes wearing their "jeaned pants" and giant, oversized novelty fingers
from the luxury suites
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 23, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And eating their "corned dogs."
shudder.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
DAMN YOU
for finding the exact type of reference I was trying to conjure up in my zombie brain. Another “well done” to you
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I always wondered what went on in those pricey luxury boxes when I was there on Wed.
They just sit up there and take the utmost pleasure in laughing at all the dollar hot dog eaters.
I guess you can’t put a price tag on that kind of entertainment.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
This novelty finger is ludicrously oversized!
Get me a smaller one!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
"Look at that rube...he's close to getting mustard all over that barrell he's wearing that's held up by suspenders."
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 23, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm also going to go ahead...
and give myself a victory fist-bump for successfully calling the 14 yo with bubble pipe and ascot thing, because this is completely written the way someone would write if they imagined, but had not yet experienced, adulthood and the working world.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And yet you think I am someone who went to Cornell's business school?
Not sure how that works, but OK.
You're someone who claims that they were attending Cornell, yes.
As much as that claim is worth. I believe I had termed your credentials “an imaginary MBA from Cornell.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on May 23, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hey
so do I qualify as better than you since I’m going to be a UT Law School grad (or something close) in a few days?
pshh
i pay those professor’s salaries. they better give me a diploma
I’m not some rube from arlington
by ab03 on May 23, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So with law school
Is it like other programs where if you can make it to finals your last year, or whatever the equivalent, you’re basically golden? Or is it a big hurdle?
Go Rice Owls!
the first year is the big hurdle
not sure if you can really fail but it’s important to do well.
but after that first year the grades are pretty easy to come by.
still, I ended up doing a fair amount of work to try to make honors and such.
At UT
I’m pretty once you are in, you’re good.
Some schools — South Texas comes to mind — flunk out a big chunk of hte entering class.
The good schools, though, you have to try really hard to not graduate.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty similar to PhD programs
often 2nd tier programs overadmit and then fail out about half their classes. Guess that is the best strategy when you have 2nd choice on which students to admit. Admit a bunch and just keep the ones who didn’t get into the top schools but would have probably held their own there.
Go Rice Owls!
I feel like it is harder to flunk out of a PhD program
most of my friends from college were academics. I’ve only known a few people that didn’t finish the PhD but nto because they flunked. And school work seems like such a small part of it
yeah
the graduation rate for top programs is still only like 50% or something. I was surprised to find that out. I guess half the people burn out at some point.
It is all because the programs are unbounded – you could work on a project for 5 years, only to have it fail and not get anything out of it. Even the most hard core people would have trouble to work up the energy to start something new at that point.
Go Rice Owls!
sure
professors generally seem kind of helpful though and don’t want you to fail so i figure they will help you put something together to get you out.
yep - the smart profs do that
because they’ll never get students in the future if they get branded as someone who wastes their students’ lives.
But I’ve heard my share of horror stories.
Go Rice Owls!
and no one fails classes in grad school
unless you just don’t go to class. Even then, you’ll get a B- half the time.
But like I said, lots of programs use qualifying exams to filter out their classes after the first year or two. If you finish in the bottom X %ile, they’ll hand you a Masters and bid you farewell.
Go Rice Owls!
Someone thinks highly of themselves
I’m pretty once you are in, you’re good.
Not sure that they two are related, but you’re a decent enough looking fellow, I guess.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
You...
in your previous incarnation as TDawg, claimed to be going to Cornell.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I should ask him
about some Ithaca hangouts and see if he knows the town since I did my undergrad at Ithaca College.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
about caviar, off-short bank accounts and the most pretentious way to pronounce "Jaguar?"
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 23, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow...."off-shore"
note to self…when being snarky, double-check the spelling
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
None needed.
Anyone can discuss it.
Just saying that differently educated and accomplished people would produce very different levels of discussion.
This really isn’t some ground-breaking observation, by the way. It’s a pretty obvious point and one made very regularly by many here, usually in bashing DMN commenters.
my impression of LSB
is that most of the posters seem to be reasonably educated and accomplished people, and the level of discourse usually reflects that. Except after the Rangers lose one that they should’ve. Then it becomes a chapter of “Lord of The Flies.”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
geez....
“should’ve won.” This ambien is kicking in sooner than a thought. I’ll be a sex-crazed Tiger Woods ambien zombie within the next 5 minutes.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I think I had one of those at Polyesters
They call it the “Andy Dick.”
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
does that mean that
your dick is now magnetically repelled from all vaginas within a 500’ radius?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I thought he got pretty good play?
Or is that David Spade?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Spade
I’m 98% Andy Dick is not into chicks. Except the ones that actually have wangs.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
from wiki
“Dick married Ivone Kowalczyk from 1986 to 1990, with whom he has a son, Lucas (b. 1988).30 He also has two children from a different relationship. He describes himself as bisexual”
So I guess we were both kind of right.
But Spade’s the one who’s always nailing hot broads.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I bet Yogi Berra blows your mind.
How can that uneducated dumbfuck actually make sense?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
X
That alone places you in a level of career accomplishment (and thus, likely, general intellect and ability
I fucking hate human beings so fucking much.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
It's mainly just elitist assholes like that which piss me off.
I’m pretty tolerant of most others. But yeah, agreed. If somebody said some shit like that to my face I’d knock every tooth in their head right down their throat.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Wow
Tonight’s cubs fans were much more obnoxious than last night’s fans.
Annoying game all around.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
It's always worse when they win.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
They freak out after every strike, hit, out, error, etc.
It’s ridiculous.
Still better than Yankees fans though.
Matt Treanor batting in the 9th
Is everything that is wrong with Ron Washington.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on May 22, 2010 11:52 PM CDT reply actions
I feel it's my responsibility to calm the masses down, so....
OT – Happy 30th Anniversary to PacMan and The Empire Strikes Back. Both released on May 22nd, 1980.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on May 23, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions
Huge help thanks asshole
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 23, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ironic
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 23, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Best movie in the franchise.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
I don't consider myself a big Star Wars afficionado or anything
but it’s definitely my favorite.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Yeah, I'm more of a Stargate/Star Trek/BSG guy myself.
Never so much into Star Wars. Probably because Return of the Jedi always ticked me off so much. Fucking Ewoks.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
For what it's worth
Ewoks > Jar Jar
Just sayin….
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on May 23, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'll concede to that.
This kinda blows my mind though.
Oh 1980’s TV. The limitless boundaries of it’s suck never ceases to amaze me.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
let's not let this discussion get to be about Alf
he’s Emmitt Smith’s boy, and all.
“AAfff, how I can save on long distance?”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I miss dial-around long distance ads
“Just call 10-10-321 before you dial!”
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh, my mom would have the stickers on all the phones in the house.
I guess in case some strangers made their way into our house and needed to make a long distance call. God forbid they just dial it.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
But with some suck comes greatness.
Who’s the Boss, Cosby Show, and not to mention the cartoons. I think the cartoons would be the best part.
The 90’s started to get bad when TMNT came out. It was all down hill from there.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah, plus the A-Team.
I love me some A-Team.
The first 2 or 3 seasons of Airwolf where tolerable as well, until almost all the dogfight scenes became collections of spliced together dogfights from previous episodes.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Airwolf, good catch.
They after that, they knew they didn’t have much time left, so they took the cheap way out and cut and paste. You do what you have to do.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah, plus the Canadians bought the show after season #3
But I don’t think they where able to secure the helicopter itself (heck, they had to replace the entire cast too). I believe everything you see in season 4 with the helicopter is either old clips, an RC model or a mock-up.
Not that anyone has ever actually watched season 4 of Airwolf, besides me.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
It's probably also because you're more of a straight sci-fi fan.
And Star Wars borrows more heavily for from fantasy and westerns.
Weird.
I watched A New Hope last night by chance. Sounds like I know what I’m doing with my evening. . .
Trying to stop being so negative
Frank Frank looked pretty good…it appears as though he’s gotten his head back on straight.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
AJM
Please put the gimp back in his box.
"When you play Happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
by Feliz es bueno on May 23, 2010 12:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
The glove throwing thing?
I just saw that on MLBN. Totally fucking crazy.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
No joke. He gave up an inside the park homer just last week too.
Although on this one, I think he believed it popped off his glove and over the fence. I don’t think he realized it came back into play.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He's been incredibly bad
For a guy that was second only to Gutz in UZR among OF’s last year.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
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im skipping over just to say amen to adams post

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