BA's Top 200 (MLB Draft)
BA just posted their top 200 prospects and admitted that after a pretty clear top few prospects, this could be one of the most fluid top 200 boards in recent memory.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-preview/2010/2610039.html
I just posted this on Andy's site as well, but I wanted to post it here to allow for a more Rangers-centric conversation. It looks like a pretty good draft for 3B and C and a pretty weak draft for up the middle prospects and LHP, which plays well into the areas of strength/need for the Rangers. I'd love to see them grab at least one 3B and C at some point in the single digit rounds, but yeah, BPA, a no duh.
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Fluid is a good word
I don’t remember it being quite this changeable last year. Looking at the mocks and rankings from Andy, Keith Law, BA, Mayo, etc. guys are all over the place.
And if Andy is right, there are a ton of teams looking to save money this year and not signing a whole lot over slot. I suspect it won’t quite play out that way, with a few more teams going ahead and getting a guy they like, but you do have a couple of teams in unusual situations, like the Rangers and Dodgers, and then Cleveland is hemorrhaging money.
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It's free! Cool!
Interesting that Choice is at number 11. That would suggest he would be within range for the Rangers, but it seems like his reputed lesser contract demands will cause him to rise a bit.
What to make of Ranaudo? Considering how the Scheppers thing is going so far, I’m inclined to trust the medical staff that much more; if they clear him, it would be an interesting risk.
Also, I’m having a hard time tempering my expectations for the 15 pick. I feel like I’m going to be disappointed; probably end up with something from the Workman/HarveyWimmers platter, which is fine and all, but not as exciting as going after some of the falling talent like past years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I don't know
I have come around on Wimmers, who has a legit three pitch rep and could be this year’s Mike Leake. Harvey would also be an intriguing option. Considering how handicapped we are at 15, getting one of those guys would be okay.
And I’d love to see Vitek there at 22, although he seems to have some helium heading into the draft.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Workman and Wimmers
both seem like ok choices at 15 considering the situation.
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Choice has risen up the boards since then
I doubt he gets past 10 now. Oak is supposedly enamored, and he sounds like Oak’s type.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Keep in mind that the best rookie in baseball right now
lasted until the 14th pick. Saying someone is top 200 right now means nothing as far as making the majors goes.
No shit?
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Touche, but still...
The higher you are in talent rankings, the better your odds are of making the majors, and thriving. It’s not a science, by any means, but it doesn’t “mean nothing” either.
The #1 overall pick, when taken for pure talent reasons (e.g. not a Matt Bush situation) stands the best chance of becoming a future superstar.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Yep
3 spots ahead of CWun. Teams didn’t know much about his true abilities as a hitter because he got pitched around so completely during his senior year.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 26, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he didn't attract the crazy national attention and Braves knew his skills better than anyone because of proximity and their scouts had been following him for years
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
That's kind of apples to oranges
BA ranked him #9 on this list in 2007, so that’s really what you should base your point on.
by Brett Perryman on May 26, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember a lot of people
being very high on him right before the draft. But like Dez to the Cowboys, it almost seemed predestined that he would drop to the Braves, despite the talent.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, what's with that?
I’ve heard Dez isn’t a great interview, but still. The videos of him from OTA’s and from his college years make it look like he’ll be a better WR than Roy WIlliams by the end of the year. I don’t get how he lasted that long.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 26, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
the football scouting community
is especially prone to groupthink because they cluster at the same combines and pro days, and I think this is just a case of a group collectively talking themselves out of a great talent. In a year I doubt anyone remembers he ever had questionable attributes off the field.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I agree
A lot of us thought that #9 was too low, much less #14. It was absoultely shocking that he fell that low. And in the league amateur drafts in which I took part, he was typically a top five pick, up there with Wieters and Porcello. He wasn’t some random mid-late first round type who sort of came out of nowhere.
by Brett Perryman on May 26, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
God damn it I wanted Heyward... Not gonna pretend I knew he'd be THIS good, though. I don't think anyone could've known that. Sweet jesus the kid is butt nasty.
SC is smack in the middle of Braves territory, and I’ve never seen this much excitement over a player before.
Like, never.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I remember that you were one of those who lamented how close he got.
by Brett Perryman on May 26, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Close calls:
Heyward, 2007, picked 14th; Rangers picked 17th
Lincecum 2006, picked 9th; Rangers picked 11th
coulda-woulda is eye-popping in these cases.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Heh, I remember not wanting Lincecum cause everything I read said he'd have to switch to relieving in the bigs cause no way his body'd hold up what with his max effort delivery and all.
I was a bit wrong on that one, to say the least.
Shows how little we actually know about these kids on draft day.
You read one scouting report saying he’s gonna be a reliever, well then, he’s gonna be a reliever.
The fuck do we know?
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by thedirkatron on May 27, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
2006 haunts me a bit
Sort of like in 2002, you almost had to try to try to find the guy who couldn’t play. Like Kazmir, Drabek isn’t having a great 2010, but it’s not close between who they should have picked and who they did pick.
by Brett Perryman on May 27, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Kiker was better
when Drabek wasn’t pitching you mean.
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Kiker is close to being called a total bust
he can’t find the strikezone. Hell stepping into the box with him on the mound is an adventure. Drakbek is hands down the better pitcher and Texas screwed up their choice. The only consolation is that the rest of that round is hardly lights out.
Let Kiker get healthy first, because castigating him as a total bust
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
what in the hell?
until this year Kiker had roundly outperformed Drabek, or was at least on par. He clearly isn’t right this year, but I think we should let him get healthy. I still think he could be a very effective late inning bullpen arm.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
and drabek is better
when kiker wasn’t pitching.
anyways, who the eff cares, rangers didn’t take him because of the obvious character issues …
if he was off the board because of that, then, you can’t fault them…tell me who, outside of kiker and drabek was an option then…
I see a lot of interesting players after #12
There are only a handful that I wouldn’t prefer to Kiker out of the 18.
by Brett Perryman on May 29, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
First off
back to the original point, you do realize that Drabek was the key player in a deal that netted Philly Roy Halladay, right? Who cares whether Kiker’s stats pre 2008 looked better to you? Drabek is a much better prospect. And I don’t want to hear about hindsight, you know that I wanted Drabek during the draft. And he signed for less money.
Second, let’s rearrange the top 30 available players who signed by ranking since that is actually what a team’s board should have looked like (with signing bonuses, and I’ll bold the guys I particularly wish they had instead of Kiker). Note that even at the bottom of the list we’re not going that far beyond where Kiker was ranked:
7. Joba Chamberlain 1.15
12. Kyle Drabek 1.55
13. Pedro Beato 1.0
14. Jeremy Jeffress 1.55
15. Daniel Bard 1.55
16. Kyle McCulloch 1.05
18. Travis Snider 1.7
19. Brett Anderson 0.95
20. Hank Conger 1.35
21. Brett Sinkbeil 1.525
22. David Huff 0.9
23. Chris Marrero 1.625
24. Justin Masterson 0.51 (yes he’s sucking this year…in a major league rotation)
25. Jordan Walden 1.0
26. Chris Parmelee 1.5
27. Matt Antonelli 1.575
28. Kasey Kiker 1.6
29. Bryan Morris 1.325
30. Kevin Mulvey 0.585
31. Brooks Brown 0.9
32. Kyler Burke 0.95
33. Derrick Robinson 0.85
34. Colton Willems 1.425
35. Mark Melancon 0.6
36. Max Sapp 1.4
37. Jeff Samardzija 0.25
39. Chris Tillman 0.68
40. Ian Kennedy 2.25
41. Lars Anderson 0.825
42. Stephen King 0.75
44. Matt Latos 1.25
If you must look at who was picked immediately after him, in the next ten picks that adds:
13 (the next pick) Tyler Colvin 1.475
I would also prefer about half of the guys I didn’t bold to Kiker.
Also, if you go through the second and third rounds, before Texas picks again (Tracy), there are a lot of good players, a lot of guys in the majors.
by Brett Perryman on May 30, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i think i was asking you this, maybe not
after 2007, who would you have wanted, Kiker or Drabek?
Even after saying that, Drabek had huge character issues and that’s probably why he was off the Rangers board.
After that, you can’t tell me that wasn’t right right pick at the moment (kiker), and yes, everything else after that is EXTREME 20/20. Would have have taken Drabek over Lincoln, or Reynolds, or Miller if they were all available at 12?
But, it’s good to know those 13 of the 31 are the ones you wanted to pick at that time instead of Kiker, You really need to be in a front office somewhere…
you said there a lot of good players in the majors, how many of those were HS draftees? I think he’s going to need some more time in the minors than the college pitchers/hitters…
Frankie Piliere has posted
He has the Rangers taking Workman and Cowart. Also says they might nab Vitek if he’s around. Vitek seems like a bit of an overdraft to me at 15, I’m not that sold on his all around package. He also has Grandal falling to 17 and I just don’t see that happening at all.
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I wish I had a better understanding
of what Workman offers as a pitcher. He just seems vanilla to me, but I guess it is hard to stand out on UT’s ridiculous pitching staff.
Cowart would be a steal at 22 based on talent, but with 4 first round picks and no promise of deep pockets, I would be surprised if we took that risk. The idea of going two straight years drafting and then not signing a top talent makes me sick.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Workman's
A right-handed Pomeranz. Big guy with a 92-94 FB, plus curve, decent change, decent command. I wouldn’t mind him.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 26, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds quite a bit like Thomas Diamond 2004, but with less velocity on his fastball.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Yeah
But Diamond was a damn good prospect.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 26, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Workman
but if Grandel is still on the board at 15 Texas has to take him.
In no order I want one of Wimmers, Grandel or Choice at 15. Workman is a plan B guy if those three plus Brentz are gone.
from what i am gathering
it sounds like Brentz may be there at 22 and Choice will likely be gone at 15. Wimmers and Workman are probably 50/50 to be there at 15, and there’s next to no chance at all for Grandel…it would be a Smoak-esque surprise for him to drop that far.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Hmmm...
Texas has looked at a number of college arms
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
he has Brentz going way too high, it seems
unless the Mets are prepared to overdraft for a college hitter again, as I suppose they are recently wont to do.
His description of Workman matches everyone elses. I have yet to read about his stuff. It’s always dependable, consistent, anchor of a great staff. Does he have any projectability?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I haven't seen anything
that would make me think Workman is all that projectable. Andy, though, mentioned more positive scout buzz lately. Keith Law’s scouting grades for him show current and future as pretty close overall:
PRESENT FUTURE LOW HIGH
Fastball 55 55 91 94
FB Movement 60 60
Command 40 40
Control 50 55
Curveball 55 60
Changeup 40 45
Makes you realize what a steal Erlin was last year.
Feel for Pitching 40 50 — —
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btw
Law calls Workman a decent bet to become a #2 starter.
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Yeah, saw that...
I was surprised given the command issues and potential lack of a third pitch. That reads like a #3 or a #4 to me, depending on development and how much of that speed he retains in any mechanics tinkering.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 26, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be angry if Grandal somehow made it to 15 and the Rangers didn't take him.
AFAIK, there aren’t big signability issues with Grandal. Even with the unprotected pick I’d be all over him at 15.
by LiamP on May 26, 2010 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'd be pissed as hell
But he’s almost universally projected in the top 10.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on May 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can't imagine he's there
but I’d be pissed if he was and they didn’t take him.
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Add me to this list.
Like I said above Workman is more of a plan B guy and I say that with love in my Texas alumnus heart for Workman. Grandel cannot be passed up if he somehow falls there.
Vitek
Any scenario where we walk away with that player sounds good. I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was #15.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on May 26, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I like him too
but I worry he is too much of a late helium guy. I loved Vitek as a supplemental pick and I still like him as a mid-first guy, but he really needs to pan out as a CF to hold value there.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I agree in terms of current draft value,
but I’m not sure about his long term value and I have a feeling we’d regret taking him that high.
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Advanced bat and can play CF
That seems to be the baseline expectation for him.
He sounds like he could come quick. I can’t decide whether the lack of projection is a good or bad thing.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on May 26, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just not sure I buy the "advanced" part of that bat
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Meh.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Vitek
I think he winds up Oakland’s pick, shades of Grant Green.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on May 27, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Tyrell Jenkins would be a dream, but I have a hard time believing he'll last that long. (43 on BA's list... we pick 44 and 49, so who knows, I suppose, ya dirty hoes.)
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Tyrell might cost more than we want to pay, also.
He’s been pretty insistent on going to college.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Can't you spread 2-sport guys out over 5 years?
Pretty sure he’d qualify.
Not sure how that shit works technically, though.
If it’d 2.5m~5yrs, and we only have to pay him 500k this year, then couldn’t that actually help us expand our overall budget during this time of getting rapes done on us?
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I also love Reggie Golden and DeAndre Smelter and a whole bunch of other dudes.
Who knows how the draft’ll shake out by that point, though, and the added mystery of how much money we can spend make it nigh unpossible to guess who we might realistically hope to pop there, cause most of the dream guys are gonna be overslot tumblers.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
They have Deglan at 51, which would be pretty nice.
Prep catchers are iffy, but his bat is supposedly for real, and that’s the key thing.
Receiving skills are nice, but if you can’t hit, then fuck you.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Deglan
Don’t think he’ll be around by the Rangers’ 1st supp pick.
by LiamP on May 26, 2010 11:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Neither does the dirkatron.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
He mght go in the first round
and some mocks even had him in the lower 20s.
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I'm curious where this guy would be if he hadn't tore his ACL...
47. Garin Cecchini, 3b, Barbe HS, Lake Charles, La.
L/R 6-3 195 19 .545 33 24 18 7 0 2 14 23
Top hitter on U.S. 18-and-under team last summer tore ACL in right knee.
I like taking guys like this, though.
I remember hearing about him and then he fell off the map.
Absolutely worth a flier.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
a lot of Yankees love
but if you can get through that, it’s a good read on Cecchini:
http://yankees.scout.com/2/946453.html
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Seems like a nice candidate for one of our 1s picks
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think we just found out who our second round bust is gonna be...
Our second is 72, right?
And then here’s this guy at 77.
Dominic Ficociello, 3b, Fullerton (Calif.) Union HS
B/R 6-3 170 18 .371 70 30 26 6 0 9 22 12
Intriguing hitter who could develop plus power as he fills out his frame.
He hit .371 in fucking high school, but, hey! He could develop power!!!
Yup, this guy is a Rangers shitty second round pick all the way.
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Does he have grit?
God, I hope he bring a lunchpail.
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by Conjunction on May 26, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
What about sweat on his brow and dirt on his cleats?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
I think we should just start intentionally drafting bad players with the 2nd round pick
With the club’s history in the 2nd, I’d hate to jinx some potential quality guy by labeling him the Rangers’ 2nd rounder. Might as well jinx some dude who was going to suck no matter when he was picked.
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
Heh
Yeah, I don’t understand why the Rangers don’t just sign a free agent that costs them that 2nd-rounder every year. It would be a far better use of the pick.
What’s crazy is that this isn’t just a recent phenomenon- if you go back and look at all the players the Rangers have drafted in the 2nd round since their move to DFW, it’s amazing how terrible the list is. IIRC, Roger Pavlik was far and away the best of the lot.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete."
-- Chuck Morgan
Ross has a chance to break this trend
He’s the most promising we’ve had in a while. Usually, even after only a year, they have the stinch of bust all over them.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I asked that a few weeks ago and
Scott Lucas (I think it was him) suggested Cory Hahn. 5’10" covnverted OFer, 90ish FB, with a changeup and curve. Just started pitching this year, I think, so there might be some room for projection there, though limited by his size of course.
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Well, going overslot is always good... unless your overslot gets AIDS.
Fuck you for getting AIDS, Vince fucking Sinisi.
Ross was paid like a mid first rounder.
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by thedirkatron on May 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Whatever happened to Sinisi?
I remember being really excited about him.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
gruesome leg injury
then traded to San Diego with John Hudgins for Fast Freddie Sanchez
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
he broke an arm or something
and then he got a really bad staph infection – I remember there being talk about it being almost as bad as it could get without discussing amputation or something. Sidelined him for a year or so, and he never recovered from that
Go Rice Owls!
from Mike Hindman, circa 2006
It’s probably a miracle that Sinisi played at all in 2005. Midway through his strong 2004 campaign in the High-A California League, Sinisi fractured his arm in a collision with Joaquin Arias. The fracture was severe enough to require the intallment of a plate to stabilize the break while healing and Sinisi developed a staph infection that nearly killed him. Seven surgeries later, he was finally ready to resume swinging a bat. He missed spring camp, stayed behind in extended sprint training and was rushed off to the Cal League where he destroyed the league’s pitchers. But in Frisco, it was another story.
He got off to an incredibly hot start, hitting .478 through his first week, but then quickly cooled off dramatically, hitting just .178 in July as he lost what little physical strength he had built up after a nearly fatal offseason.
The key to understanding Sinisi, for me, was what he did in August. Anyone who saw Sinisi limp home through the season’s final month would agree that he just didn’t have anything left in the tank, but he quietly hit right at .300, though his bat speed clearly wasn’t what it can be. It’s a testament to his pride, guts and skill that he was able to play at all, much less hit .300 over the final month of the season.
http://rangersfarmreport.mlblogs.com/archives/2006/05/rangers_farm_re_1.html
Go Rice Owls!
It, like most everything else, is Tom Hicks's fault
for trading ARod for Arias, who nearly killed Sinisi.
Go Rice Owls!
Inserted plates...
…and other such medical devices get infected a lot and are incredible difficult to treat. It takes a lot higher dose of antibiotics than normal because biofilm will build up on them. Normally they just take them out, but even then it can be pretty bad.
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by GhettoBear04 on May 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah you're right
it was an arm injury, collision with Arias
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
well, not really
my point is that a draft where there is a lot of fluidity means that having a late supplemental pick is more valuable. Come draft day, whether some guy gets taken at 30 or 45 is kind of random, so it means that they have a decent chance this year of getting a first round talent at Pudge’s supp pick. And it is reasonable to hope that their 2nd first rounder makes up for potentially having to make a value pick in the Purke slot.
In some drafts where the board is very clear and completely set ahead of time (what was the year BA nailed the first 15 or so picks in a row, then Texas took Mayberry… ugh), I’d argue that supplemental picks aren’t as valuable. Though this is an empirical question – we could probably look at the value of supplemental picks compared to pre-draft board accuracies.
Go Rice Owls!
gotcha, and I agree
I was just being a bit snarky in saying I’d want extra picks every year.
This year, it’s going to really suck watching LAA have those kinds of picks.
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there are a lot of collegiate OFs on the east coast
that I like in the 1s-3 round range, as well as a lot of solid 3B.
What do people think of Chance Ruffin as a prospect? Does he have a chance to come quickly like Houston Street?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Put this on my subscribers-only board on May 16
Saw closer Chance Ruffin, who is a likely top 50 overall selection in next month’s draft. He has some power stuff, a competitive nature, and he’s a little crafty as well. A nice mix. The first thing about Ruffin is that he’s incredibly tough and, as I said, competitive on the mound. He was a starting pitcher in past years but closing suits him well.
Ruffin threw 1.1 scoreless innings today, walking one and striking out three. For the season, he has outstanding numbers: 52 ip, 35 h, 5 er, 16 bb, 75 k – 5-1, 12 saves, and a 0.87 ERA.
He’s the son of former big league reliever Bruce Ruffin. Today, Chance worked between 93-95 mph, throwing six fastballs at 95. He can cut his fastball while maintaining solid velo, and he can also get some armside run and sink on it. He’s got a sharp low-80s slider that he uses quite a bit as a strikeout pitch. He’ll also mix in the occasional change, but he’s mostly a fastball-slider guy out of the ’pen.
that slider is pretty nasty
and you nailed it with his competitive nature. the guy just gets out there and battles. knows how to work himself out of a jam and almost relishes it.
we typically don't draft relievers
but I wonder if we might consider him as a cheap option for one of our supplemental picks.
how does his stuff compare to Street’s, in your opinion?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
It's pretty similar
but it was Street’s presence and consistency that I think makes him a better prospect. Regardless, Street went 40th overall and it sounds like Ruffin should be somewhere in the 35-55 range. They both have excellent stuff, and Ruffin has a nice track record of results and toughness. I don’t think he’ll fly through a system quite like Street did, though.
Street never had the K/IP
that Ruffin has sported this year, though. But as you said, Street basically put up the same numbers three straight years for UT before getting drafted.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
and thank you for sharing your insight!
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Really?
I’ve been hearing that this is a lean year for college hitters outside of a SS (forget his name, something like Machado perhaps?).
by Excel Hearts Choi on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Machado is a HS SS out of Florida
You are probably referring to Christian Colon from Fullerton. But he’s not the premier college hitter. At this point I think Choice has that title, with guys like Cox, Grandal, Vitek and Brentz in the mix behind him (from a pure hitting standpoint, not taking defense into account).
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I wonder why
You cannnot trade draft picks whereas in every other major sport you can.
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by stupidsexyflanders on May 26, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
I can think of a few reasons:
1) Keeps stupid teams from being stupid and trading their number 1s for free agents (outside of the already-existing structure)
2) Keeps the biggest teams from buying the best picks from teams that need money. (You think the Yankees wouldn’t godfather the Nats for Bryce Harper or Strasburg and then recoup the losses on ticket sales and merchandise?)
Just a couple.
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Yup
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wow
there seems to be a lot of good players in this draft, seems top heavy? Glad we got all those picks…i would love if we got Workman/Wimmers and Cowart; that would be a perfect 1st round…
actually, i want wimmers over workman
also, Mayo has Cowart going to Texas as well
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100526&content_id=10448720&vkey=draftcentral2010&fext=.jsp
Cowart is one of the toughest signs in the draft
and we have four picks in the top 49. I would love to have him as well, but I really want to sign our top six picks this year.
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Cowart
I haven’t done a ton of reading on the draft yet, but I really like this guy.
But yeah everything is pointing to him being a tough sign so I don’t see him going to the rangers with their first pick, but if he’s there at the second pick I could.
Promising him a chance to stay at third would probably help signing too.
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both Andy and Mayo have us grabbing him at 22
with the logic that, since that pick is protected, we might as well grab him. But my thought is, we are still an org with tight fiscal restraints, we have four first round picks, and we didn’t sign our first rounder last year. If the org feels confident they can get him signed, and they draft a bunch of college guys (or any slot guys) with their other top four picks, then I guess that’s okay. But we cannot go 2 straight years without signing our first round pick.
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I could dig that for one of the supplemental picks
Especially if we can write into his contract that he has to sport a full beard during the season. Hopefully that kind of thing is genetic.

Jedd Gyorko
I’d love to see us get a chance to grab him with one of our supplemental picks, although he might be gone. He’s currently a SS at West Virginia who has a great approach at the plate, line drive hitter, patient, tough to strike out, and with a nice uptick in power this year. Andy had a great report on him this morning.
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Gyorko and Cecchini in the supplemental round
would be an ideal scenario for me. I’d love to try to emulate what the Padres did last year, focusing on position players with a nice mix of prep and college guys.
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heh.
from the link on Gyorko:
Jedd Gyorko is currently a shortstop, but the odds are that he’ll end up at either second or third base as a pro.
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His power is only average, but he’s not cheated on pitches to drive, and he could turn out to have a similar offensive profile to the Rangers’ third baseman Michael Young.
Well, it’s hard to believe he’ll be the best available player at that point. I don’t think I’d be all that excited, although I do like that he looks to walk more often the Young ever has.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
the 42:23 BB:K rate is pretty eye opening
I can’t remember Young ever being that patient.
He says the power is average, but he’s sporting a .746 slugging percentage this year. I have been thinking of him as a Pedroia type, but he may be more of a Lowrie, only stuck at 2B.
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How is the rest of the lineup he's in?
Is he just being pitched around? I like him, but not sure he’s a fit at the picks the Rangers have.
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I asked in a different thread
Guys who follow the draft, any idea where the TCU catcher Holliday is projected to go?
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 27, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Haven't heard a thing on him
Andy Seiler usually has an all questions answered thread on Fridays or Saturdays, you could ask him there.
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5th round or later
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by Kinslerhomer on May 27, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Just started looking through the draft stuff and had a hard time getting into it with the current financial situation, BUT
I will be bummed if the Rangers don’t take Zach Lee at 22.
I’m struck by how his stride looks a lot like Oswalt’s.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
And, the images (sorry, they're going to be large).


Not that similar mechanics indicates similar results, necessarily. It’s that I think Zach is heading down a good developmental path by having these mechanics, and he’s a bit farther down than most HS pitchers, especially two-sport pitchers.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
We won't draft him at 22.
Nobody will draft him that high, he is considered a solid sign to LSU for football/baseball. Would have to go way overslot to get him.
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I doubt he'd be there at our supplemental picks. So...
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Seiler's latest mock has him going to the Yankees with the last pick in the first round.
But I’d bet that’s because they’re the Yankees and could pay his asking price.
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And, I will be quite sad.
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