Smoak's splits
So I was looking through Smoaky's handy dandy Fangraphs splits page this evening, trying to find a little more hope in that .168/.286/.317 line and .273 wOBA / 61 wRC+. It's only 119 PA's, which might make this exercise rather pointless, but Smoak's got some extremely dramatic splits so far, dramatic enough that I thought it worth bringing up.
In 82 PA's vs. RHP's (batting left-handed) he has a .217/.341/.391 slash line, which gives him a .328 wOBA and 98 wRC+ against right-handers (almost exactly league average). He's walking more (15.9 BB%) than he's struck out (14.5 K%) and his LD% is a healthy 20.3%, so although his IFFB% is a tad high (16%) his .214 BABIP left-handed is still seemingly way, way too low.
It gets downright weird (and ugly) when you look at what he's done in his 37 PA's against lefties (batting right-handed): .063/.162/.318, or a .141 wOBA and -29 wRC+. No, that's not a typo on the wRC+, that's a minus sign.
His K% jumps to 28.1% batting right handed, and the BB% falls to 10.8%. His BABIP right-handed is an abysmal .043, which no doubt leaves plenty of room for regression, especially when you consider his LD% against lefties is actually higher - 29.2% - but his IFFB% batting right-handed is a whopping 45.5%.
So batting lefty he's still producing at a very acceptable rate for someone who's been this unlucky, with a very good K/BB - but from the right side he turns into Taylor Teagarden, nearly doubling his strikeout rate and popping up almost 50% of the time.
Perhaps this is a knee-jerk - 37 PA's is a bigtime SSS and there's obviously no way he's actually this bad right-handed - but looking at how dramatic these splits are, and the fact that they're in line with his minor league splits, I'm at an utter loss to why this club would continue to throw Smoak out there full-time against lefties right now when he's scuffling this badly against them. Unless of course they've really decided that keeping Joaquin Arias around is more important than getting someone in here to prevent first base from being a total black hole vs. left-handers and potentially keep their top offensive prospect from going into a complete tailspin.
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I would try
But I’d end up on my knees, crying like a little girl and begging the calculator not to hurt me.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Do you know what the typical split is...
…for a switch hitter? I can only find it for RHB and LHB.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 27, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Not entirely sure.
I know it’s volitile and Tango says after about 600 PA vs LHP you’ve got a good idea. I think you’d at least have a better idea than we do now if you treated him like a non-switch hitter and gave him the 8.6% average lefty split.
I was working on it, but I have to go to the vet. I’ll do it later.
I don't know why
this would be a big surprise to anyone. He has struggled against LHP (by his standards) in the minors. He is obviously going to be better against both LHP and RHP than he is right now becasue his BABIP is so incredibly low but I think it’s obvious that he is going to better as a LHB.
"No nuts, no glory"
I've said that all along
My main point here Is how much it’s bringing down his overall #‘s right now, and how mystified I am that they’re willing to roll with Smoak as the only 1B on the roster without allowing Garko to find his stroke or spinning a deal for Lowell.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Or hell, even play MaxRam at 1B against lefties.
It’s not like he’s getting the majority of the starts at catcher or nothin’.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
this still blows my mind
why isn’t he starting most of the games against lefties?
by blueballlefty on May 27, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Because his future probably isn't as a platoon player.
His actual ability against lefties is more likely closer to an average split than the abomination right now.
I would be okay with platooning him with Max, but I’d rather play Max at catcher and play Smoak every day to get a better idea of his actual platoon skill.
I haven't checked
but it seems like I remember Tex having similar problems against lefties but much luckier on balls in play?
http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/07/15/mjhs-top-40-texas-rangers-prospects-nos-1-10/
3) Justin Smoak (22 year old 1B: Triple-A)– The positives are obvious and well documented. I’m not going to waste time with them here. Instead, I’m going to talk about the one flaw in Justin Smoak’s game. The only one.
He hit .196 / .268 / .314 against lefties in the Texas League. He’s going to be a big leaguer, and soon, but right now, I can’t tell you he’s going to be an everyday player.
He didn’t hit lefties in the MWL either (.231 / .333 / .385), though I didn’t pay much attention to that at the time because it was such a small sample. After his tour of the Texas League, I began to consider the possibility that it was evidence. And while he hit .317 / .404 / .622 against lefties in college, that was a far cry from the .413 / .551 / .819 he posted against right-handed pitchers.
In both college and pro action, you see that Smoak’s K/BB ratios against lefies are much, much worse than they are against righties, suggesting that the weaker lines are not merely a matter of coincidence or bad luck. He’s a much different hitter from the right side facing southpaws.
At South Carolina, Smoak drew 12 walks and struck out nine times in 82 at-bats against lefties. Fine. But then you look at the ratio against righties and you see a huge divergence: 45 walks and 19 strikeouts in 155 at-bats. He was more than twice as likely to walk against a righty.
With Frisco this year, he drew four walks and fanned nine times in 51 at-bats against lefties while drawing 35 walks and striking out 26 times in 132 at-bats against righties.
Smoak is going to tear up right handed pitchers in the big leagues. That’s pretty safe to say. The extent to which he can solve lefties will determine if he’s going to be a perennial All Star, a solid everyday player with a notable flaw or a platoon guy.
I think he'll become acceptable
batting right. My theory is that his ability batting left shot him through the system too fast to get enough batting-right PA’s to “keep up” progression wise… If that makes sense. Anyway, that’s my theory and I’m sticking with it.
So will he eventually pull a JT Snow?
Would/should he become solely a LHB?
I know Smoak projects to being a better hitter than Snow ever was. But the Snow comparison pops into my head when I see Smoak struggle against a LHP.
As a RHB against LHP, Snow had a career line of .213/.295/.309 in 800+ plate appearances. Then he gave up trying to bat RH. For the remainder of his career, as a LHB against LHP, Snow had a line of .246/.351/.358 in 650+ plate appearances. Not exactly Miguel Cabrera, but it was an improvement.
I admit, I didn’t follow Smoak’s every move in the minors like some did. But, judging by what I hear and read (especially in MJH’s post above) maybe that’s an option at some point. If Smoak is CLEARLY a better hitter as a LHB, then perhaps at some point he’ll have to just be a LHB 100% of the time.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
I'm pretty sure it's been shown...
…that you need 600 PA against LHP for a switch hitter to determine true talent level. I want to say it’s originally from The Book, but I think I read about it on FanGraphs. He’s had what…130 PA in the minors to go along with 30 PA in the majors against lefties? I’m not saying that he’s likely to be the same from both sides, just that at this point you have to regress so hard to the average splits for a platoon hitter that I don’t see how you can gain much from the exercise.
I’ve been watching it though…let’s hope regression starts happening very quickly.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
No one here is willing to wait more than a week or so
for anything to happen. They want ACTION!
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I know!
It’s driving me crazy. I’ve already said it, but it’s like the Rangers’ willingness to be proactive about some obvious holes (Chris Davis, Catchers, etc) has made people assume that kneejerking is ok.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 27, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I’m not sure folks want to see the team squander a great opportunity to make the postseason. They really need to get solid production from 1B. Right now the team is good enough to beat bad teams especially at home, but they have problems against good teams and on the road.
I wouldn’t be looking to replace Smoak yet, since he doesn’t have 200 PAs, but I don’t really see anything wrong with sitting him versus lefties until he gets going well.
They should also be looking at moving Borbon to the minors, because right now it looks like his upside is Juan Pierre, if we are lucky.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
If you're sitting him vs lefties...
…because scouting reports back up that he has struggled against them in the minors and you want to break him into the majors in confidence-building way, that’s fine.
If you think that 30 PA tells you anything about his true ability or how he could contribute against lefties for the rest of the year, then you’re just being ridiculous.
As much as catcher and CF are a problem right now, the rest of the lineup can carry them for a bit. The bigger issue is that the starting pitching isn’t performing near as well as it did to start the year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on May 27, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Juan Pierre was a pretty valuable player
at one time. I’m not convinced that the replacements for Borbon would be any better in full time play, but I’m about ready for them to try.
Ceterum censeo, Ron Washington esse delendam
I just want Borbon sent down
and let him know he needs to work on defense, and he really needs to be able to draw some walks to be useful. It also wouldn’t be bad if they worked on his baserunning. For all his speed, he really isn’t all that great in the basestealing department.
"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I'm still not worried about Smoak.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

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