Oswalt to the Rangers?
by coolaid on Jun 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT
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A major league source is telling me that the Rangers have been talking to the Astros about Roy Oswalt and that the teams are "getting closer" to having a deal in place. It's not yet clear which player(s) would be coming back from Texas to Houston, but my understanding is that the live bodies part of the deal is more or less agreed to.
But in place is not the same thing as done: the sticking point: the Rangers are trying to convince Major League Baseball -- who holds the purse strings until the sale of the Rangers is complete -- to allow them to take on Oswalt's salary.
So yes, there are a lot of "ifs" here at the moment. But unlike the multiple reports we've seen in the past several days regarding where Roy Oswalt would theoretically allow himself to be traded, we know right now that there are at least two teams -- the Rangers and the Astros -- who would like to see him pitching in the Dallas Metroplex, complicated financial considerations willing.
Buster Olney (via Twitter): Highly placed source on the Oswalt-to-Rangers-in-the-works report: "Nothing to it." Given their financial situation, it would be hard for them to think about taking the most expensive starter in what is a flush market of starting pitching.
I would like to have Oswalt but only if the price is right prospect wise. The Astros really can't expect to get too much for Oswalt as he is owed considerable money for the next few years. Oswalt is a solid #2 guy and would easily be the ace of the Rangers staff but I have some concern as to how he would pitch in the AL.
Oswalt has a FIP of 3.40 and xFIP of 3.44 this year.
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I have a feeling that I'm going to hate this deal.
by LiamP on Jun 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ugh
Me, too. There’s going to be cash involved which means there’s going to be Perez involved.
This has been a trying week. Between Baylor/Big12 and HIcks, I can’t decide whether to curl into the fetal position in the nearest dark corner or go on a rampage near the Hicks and Beebe residences.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The latter.
Please God the latter.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
by TXHC on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given that it ain't gonna happen and all. Theoretically... you blow the #1 on Roy-O?
I’d prolly have to blow the #2 on him if he got past you, but there could be some big time sexings coming over at the deadline, and I’m not too excited about Oswalt in the AL.
Still, @#2, I’d pretty much HAVE to take what that if I could do gettings on it.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No idea. Haven't even thought about the #1 yet.
I probably wouldn’t, but I’m still holding out hope that someone like Fielder or Gonzalez (NEED THE PADRES TO FAIL) will be traded over.
Yah, that'd be my initial thought... I think Dunn + Fielder are coming over (plus maybe AGon... but that's less likely, imo), but I've been wrong before, and last year I got stuck with fucking Peavy, so it's interesting.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I do think we should change the way the waiver setup works though.
Seems a bit off that the best team from last year gets the #1.
You got Santana off of me.
Just shut up and be happy.
No one cares about your....
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Yah, it seems real dumb as hell... I think we did e-mailings about this.
Or maybe it was with Sprites or Rentz or someone.
I hate you all so equally that I really can’t remember which of you I did which hates on.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha ha. Yah, always start high, but that was partly payback for your last Feliz + Lackey for CJ trade offer at me.
No way you’d do it, but I figured it would at least get you to do some dance moves back at me.
Nobody ever responds to fucking e-mailings in that league.
I might have to do startings on a new one next year.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I've found that everyone responds to emails apart from Troy and dumbass KOK.
I just didn’t respond to you because what the fuck Scott Podsednik?
Yes, I know. I was inquiring as to what about me e-mailing re:Pods after you'd been trumpeting your desire for SB trades was so facepalm you felt the need to non-reply me as punishment.
Most people I’d just say “ha ha you’re dumb” but you’re one of like 1 person in the whole world who’s opinion I actually do respects on, so do dance moves at me, please.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be impossible for me not to overpay for a guy like that.
And that’s not a tempting proposition when trading with a guy in 1st by ~20 points.
And, thinking about it... bDaviDson, Rentzinton, Spritesyboy (before he hit the big time, that is) and whoever Mudville is are all good at doing dance moves back at me.
Knockoutking goes through stretches where he’s real responsive, but now he’s gone underground. (I think maybe we were too mean to him.)
Nik’s cool (and exceedingly handsome) but good luck getting him on the computer mail is tough, and he shows up for drafts like I show up for court dates.
Troy is dead I think… Like, really. Something happened to that dude. He’s not okay. Sad panda time. ;(
And you blow me off quite a bit, although now I’m apparently doing learnings on that and it’s for some reason based on you not doing likings on me seeing if you liked Podsednik when you did askings about trading for SB’s… which is not doing clearing ups for me, actually.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh, I guess just re: Pods now that I think on it.
It was fresh in my mind, plus I don’t do many e-mailings on you, so SSS could be in play as well.
All I know for sure is that I don’t you.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally SSS.
For the record, I don’t you either.
I don't fucking like you is what it was spozda say, you stupid fucking LiamP.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a chance that Perez...
…is the number 1 prospect in all of baseball by this offseason, right?
Those never get traded, right?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No, there's virtually no chance he gets rated that highly.
Harper alone pretty much has to rate ahead of him.
The list goes well beyond that, but you get the picture.
He’s a really, really solid prospect, but guys like him do get deal once in a while.
But it’s not usually for dudes like Oswalt.
It’s more for true beast-dudes like Miguel Cabrera.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, k.
Just seemed like all the dudes who were ahead of him on last year’s list were graduating. I didn’t know if any of the guys who got drafted this year were rated highly enough to slide right into the number 1 spot.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The Jesus and Hell
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I get the sinking feeling...
…that Martin Perez is somehow involved.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I'd rather it be Sheppers
if it’s one of the two
I'm with COCO!!!
by Baseball North on Jun 14, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
If Scheppers is the best prospect the Rangers give up...
…I’d be OK with it. Well, I wouldn’t turbo-hate it.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I tell them sure to Scheppers
but they have to take Harden.
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." - Satchel Paige
by Suicide Prince on Jun 14, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be happy with that
honestly
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I could live with that
But not Martin. Not for an almost 33 y.o. short RHP owed tons of money from the NL.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Oswalt is owed 16 million next year and around 9 over the rest of this year. He’s been worth 16.1 and 18.7 during the last two seasons. He’d be moving from the NL to the AL, to a tougher ballpark, and happens to be 33. I’m skeptical he can give you as much value as his contract would dictate; why would we give up a top-notch prospect like Scheppers to acquire him?
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Because he's as close to an ace as you're going to find available.
And flags fly forever.
I’m not in love with giving up Scheppers, but to get a talent of Oswalt’s caliber, I make do.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Cliff Lee?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo.
The Mariners would hold the Rangers farm system hostage for Lee.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Well either way you are going to have pay one of our
top 5…id rather pay that for lee than oswalt
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the difference
is 1 of our top 5 for Oswalt but 2 of our top 5 for Lee.
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." - Satchel Paige
by Suicide Prince on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is the case then I choose Oswalt hands down.
See my reply below.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I dont think so
I think it would take one of the five for either. Lee is better than Oswalt at this point however the reason it wouldnt take 2 for Lee is because of the fact he only has one year left on his contract.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Important mitigating factors.
Lee’s cheaper, much better and he doesn’t have a no-trade. I could easily see his price being driven above Oswalt’s.
Here's the thing
He’s never really gotten traded for a Tex-like package and he’s been traded twice in the past 12 months.
I don’t think they’ll get a Perez level player. They’ll probably get a Scheppers level player, but that’s mainly for the 2 draft picks in a loaded draft.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
to me, Scheppers IS a Perez level player
sorry, but he’s closer to the pros and more dominant in doing so
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Adjust for age
Scheppers is 23. Perez can barely drink in Canada.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
adjust all you want
the point is, Scheppers pitches and PERHAPS dominates in the majors as soon as this year; Perez pitches in the majors at the earliest in 2011 and as of now I’d expect him to get a pretty good asswhupping for a year or two
In the end, Perez CAN look better than Scheppers; but I have a reasonable expectation of Scheppers being at least just as good as Martin
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem I have with this.
Is that Oswalt still has another year on his contract. Lee is a FA after this season.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Then you just fucking say no
you CAN just say no…i mean fuck seriously
why is this shit so hard to understand, if the value isnt there and appropriately apportioned, then just fucking say no…and that is for Cliff Lee, Oswalt, anyone
Shit
Fuck Mike Estabrook
What?
They have said no. How many big-time pitchers have we traded for lately?
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
no way on Scheppers
I’m with you on this. I am hoping it’s not true, even though I think Oswalt would be a great fit here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
this place would go into a Lookout Landing meltdown mode
except probably worse. I just hope JD doesnt do that.
http://www.examiner.com/x-50872-Dallas-Stars-Examiner
^ Updated often. Check back often for articles :)
for the Astros to trade Oswalt
and to presumably pick up part of his salary, I think we have to assume one of Perez or Smoak is involved.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Wait..
…are you saying you won’t be part of the meltdown?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
trades this big just make me numb
I was pretty excited about the Connor Jackson talk earlier, but this would be huge.
I will say this. The team is about to have a very real 40 man roster crunch, so if they can be smart about this, it could be a great move.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
True.
But no Perez. Just too valuable.
That’s really my concern here. That instead of something like Hunter/Davis/Ross/Gutierrez, we’re going to end up having to give up Perez and more because the Astros will be kicking back a lot of money.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd trade Smoak if we got Berkman back
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don't ever be the GM of the Rangers
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good God no.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
He's looking pretty done, dude.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I know
he’s on my fantasy baseball squad, but you never know what a rejuvenated move to a contender and the ability to DH here and there would do for him; plus, he’s still better than Smoak for now. My point isn’t that I would be happy to get rid of Smoak for him, but if they gave us Oswalt + Berkman and ate some salary, and we gave up Smoak as a headliner for the deal with some good prospects but none of the rest of our top of the crop, I’d be fine with it. But that won’t happen. So retract my idea, all of you negative nancies.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
We got a DH, and no Smoak trades, please.
Basically, in our financial situation, any deal we make is gonna have to involve us paying another team in prospects to pay a dude in dollars to play for us, which is gonna almost invariably push a deal into a price range where it no longer makes any sense at all for us.
Like Jason Parks said in this thread (while thinking really interesting opinions about art and music, most probably), the price we’d have to pay for Oswalt doesn’t make sense unless we think he’s the guy who makes us WS contenders, and I don’t think he makes us WS contenders.
And as far as the non-Oswalt part of that deal… Shit, I think going from Smoak to Berkman makes us worse.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They arent TORPs
They are prospects that have that potential if they actually reach their ceiling. It’s not a given.
Would you trade Perez fo Oswalt?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if they eat some salary.
I’m not the type of guy who overvalues prospects. I understand Perez is the shit, and very well may be the greatest pitcher the Rangers ever saw in a few years, but I’m impatient and I want a playoff win or God forbid, a WORLD FUCKIN SERIES this year or next. And I’m willing to sacrifice a bit of future for that little bit of immediate gratification.
It’s like some semi-hot chick with a SUPER hot little sister says “I’ll fuck you once right now, or you can fuck my sister 5 times 5 years from now.”
I wanna fuck right now.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
That's an odd example.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think with my penis
and he makes a lot of odd analogies.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Anal Loogies
Gross
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent idea for a new website.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
5 years from now? Pedobear sez
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jun 14, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be tempted, yes
My concern isnt about trading Perez, as much as its about not being a legit WS contender even with the addition of Oswalt. I still think this team is a year or two away from that level, and if that is the case, I would hold onto top level prospects.
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Though Devil’s advocate would say you get Oswalt for all of those years.
It’s not that I wouldn’t trade Perez at all, it’s just that I would want him to be a part of a larger package for a truly elite guy instead of that next tier of pitcher. Bonus points for proving it in the AL.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think the team has enough legit position prospects
in the system to be solid 3 years from now? I know we’re deep in pitching (which can be bartered to gain position players), but I’m not sure this year and next aren’t the high points of the next 5 years. I see this year as a decent shot, and next year as even better. After that, not too sure.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Let's see what Latin America turns up
Before we harsh too much on this year’s handcuffed draft.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
but either way you look at it
Lee’s a more attractive target
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agreed.
At least we know Lee can pitch in the AL.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
I hate it when I agree with you and your god damn skinny jeans...
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I wear my jeans real low slung.
I like to show a little neck, for the ladies.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Never worn them
I dont like Arcade Fire, either. KG is just taking this for a spin because he knows it bothers me. I hate KG.
So what do you like?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fucking hilarious.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
This.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Thank you...if I were a mare I'd hump your picture.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I just don't understand
I don’t see how we had to be so financially creative with our two first round picks that we had to find a way to get two players signed for the price of a single player signing at slot (by my rudimentary math, 1/3 of 1.5M + 1M = 1.5M outlay total for this year) and yet can go out and trade for one of the better paid pitchers in baseball.
If we have to pay in prospects for them to pick up some of his salary, this could get ugly.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
could've been a handshake in place with MLB
we’ll draft and sign guys at slot, you give us wiggle room for a trade or two
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
possibly
plus, there is a great possiblity that Astros could eat alot of salary this year and leave all of next years salary to us… thats still alot of the pie we’re taking on, and next years payroll should not be a concern of the MLB at this momen
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
hmmmm
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
Sure we'll clear out prospects...
But don’t think of it as such a big loss. Think of it as an initial defense from the upcoming fortypocalypse!
Im all in if...
It’s Scheppers/Davis/lower prospect
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Although I'll say it's OK
I think it’s pretty dumb to not listen at all on any name. The names coming back just have to be better, ’sall.
I haven’t digested this particular scenario, yet, though.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
We know nothing about it. Fuck this kinda came out of nowhere.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
agreed
but the thinking that Scheppers is touchable but Perez isn’t is ridiculous in my opining
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you not read above my post?
And i could maybe live with Scheppers, but there sure as shit better be nothing else involved in the deal
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Someone tell me if I like this.
Cause I’m very undecided. I suppose it all hinges on the cost.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
My thinking...
as long as we don’t give up Scheppers, Feliz, Smoak, Holland or Martin, it’s a good deal.
"No nuts, no glory"
I think I agree.
What if it’s something awful, like Cruz for Oswalt straight up?
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Fortunately
I don’t think Texas would trade an All-Star.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That move would make no sense for the Rangers.
I hope people have enough confidence in the FO to believe that crazy-ass moves like that aren’t within the realm of possibility.
I've been a Rangers fan for 30 years.
There isn’t an outlandish move/roster decision that could possibly suprise me at this point.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
One of those guys is going to be involved.
Guaranteed. I don’t want to lose any of them. I was going to try to put them in order from who I want to lose the least to who I would be most okay with but I can’t do it.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Then we need to learn how to say no and not fall to the demands of the astros
or better yet, tell them to go find a better fucking deal and wait by the phone for when they call back in a couple weeks
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Of course it hinges on the cost.
If it involves Feliz/Holland/Smoak/Perez, I pretty quickly give it a thumbs-down.
If it doesn’t, then I’m generally OK with it. Because I think you can win Game 1 or Game 2 of the ALDS in the Bronx rolling with Cobra-Oswalt.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yeah, you're right.
I might even be ok with Smoak or Schepp going, but it would hurt a little.
At least, until I see Roy shut out the cocksucking Yankees in Game 1.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
No
We need Smoak.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
Out of Smoak/Scheppers/Feliz/Holland/Perez… damn. As much as it pains me to say it I think I send them Feliz.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
No way...
if they ask for Neftali, I hang up the phone.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This
How the fuck would trading Smoak be ok
does anyone really want to see Davis back at 1st, you cant be fucking serious
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Shut up.
If all you can bring is babbling rage, you’re not adding much.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
extactly
having a guy like Oswalt to go with Colby and possibly CJ actually gives us a legit chance in a playoff series. Id feel completely helpless having to play the Yanks with only two decent to good pitchers, with Oswalt this year, we have a much better chance + he’s a very nice added value over the possible fifth starters the rest of the year, even though they arent terrible
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
So youd be willing to sacrifice having a good team for 6 years for 1.5 years of Oswalt
And your post is even making Oswalt a better player than he actually is, just like the astros do
Fuck Mike Estabrook
One good sign is that they're supposedly requesting to
take on salary. If they’re allowed to, then it would logically lessen the prospect cost.
The Rangers making a trade in which they have to give up extra prospects because they’re unable to take on salary is my big fear as the trade season heats up.
True that.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
No, no, no
It’s going to take a huge package as Drayton hates trading talent our way. Oswalt’s owed huge money-likely very close to what his productivity would warrant on the open market. I don’t see how would this work.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
I highly doubt JD would do this trade if he has to pay drayton price + all the contract
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Well, I know most may not like this
but, even as someone who religiously follows our prospects, I would be a very big fan of trading for Oswalt as long as a one Perez, Martin is not involved. I am 100% behind throwing a package of lower level pitchers i.e. Font, Ramirez, Ross, and so on plus a higher level pitcher like a Matty H or Mike Kirkman. Will be interested to see what happens, but if we can take on some of the salary so we dont have to pay in ‘specs, I can be absolutely behind this. If we want to legitimately call ourselves playoff contenders who can actually have a decent enough chance in a playoff series, we’ll need a third pitcher to go with CJ and Colby, Oswalt is a perfect fit for that.
All signs this year point to Oswalt being himself this year, if thats the case, I think we have three quality #2 type SP in CJ, Colby, and Roy… I can hang my hat on those guys come October.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Ugh
You don’t get Oswalt for Font, Neil Ramirez and Kirkman. Especially when they’re going to be kicking in half of his salary.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
that just be part of it
Im saying one or two of those guys + Chris Davis + an upper level pitcher would be the base and maybe add another solid spec from anywhere in the system
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Getting warmer.
Probably need one headline type guy that they can show off for losing Oswalt for 3 years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, the last spec could end up being Beltre
or even Beavan… we’ll see.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
The Astros need numbers not greatness, high ceiling, high risk
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Id be ok with that
Well, not joyous, mainly because i think Oswalt is overrated, overpaid, and is getting really old, but it wouldnt be terrible
Fuck Mike Estabrook
OT: speaking of oswalt
lee harvey oswalds brother lived 4 houses down from me growing up in Wichita Falls… incredibly nice guy.. just always felt sorry he had to go through what he did.. 20/20 and dateline use to do interviews with him walking on the jogging trail behind our house… pretty wierd
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions
haha
in real life.. not in LSB land
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheppers/Harden/Salty?
tee hee hee….
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jun 14, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions
lol
absolutely.. where do we sign
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jun 14, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about it.
The more I think Feliz/Davis would be involved. I think Harden has to be included to offset salary.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I don't see any way Feliz would be involved.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
For arguments sake (I know this isn't possible).
You have to get rid of one of Scheppers/Ogando/Feliz. Who gets the axe and why?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Ogando
Because I’m literally in love with the other two.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ogando.
Cause I like things.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
sneaky bastard!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
Pretty unanimous then. The only argument I can make here is that Ogando and Scheppers are both power pitchers that can hit triple digits, and both have better secondary stuff than Feliz. I seriously am starting to have my doubts about his secondary stuff. Under no circumstance would I give them Holland/Smoak/Perez though, so it would have to be one of Feliz/Scheppers. When I put it that way who is it. Feliz or Scheppers?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
one is 28
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
im sorry, 26
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I shouldn’t have even included him really. I was just kinda hinting that he’s a power arm that could probably replace whichever one of Feliz/Scheppers left. Only thing is there is the thought that Feliz/Scheppers can be starters. I’m pretty sure Ogando is thought of as a reliever. So yeah, shouldn’t have included him. That made it too easy.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm starting to think he isn't a starter either
Feliz, I mean.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I'm with you.
Call me a knee-jerker, but I’m really starting to have my doubts about his offspeed stuff.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I think you can see now
That there were better ways to make your point, which I’m assuming was that we probably overrate Feliz and underrate Scheppers.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, forgot about Davis
yea, he’d almost certainly go. They have no 3B so if the Stros even think he can play there, he’d almost certainly be priority #1 for them. He’s an east texas guy = Drayton Love + he’s got legit power potential unlike any other hitter the stros have in their orginization
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I think Davis for sure
They probably don’t pick up Berkman’s option in the offseason.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
as a team competing......
we are not trading our closer
by death of the cool on Jun 14, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
There are internal options that could replace him though.
That’s what I’m getting at.
Disclaimer before I get reamed: In no way am I in favor of giving up any of Smoak/Holland/Feliz/Scheppers/Perez. Just so we’re all crystal clear on that.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
as a team competing....
we’re not trading their closer.
Gut wouldn’t put Ogando in the 9th yesterday in a game relatively well in hand… the Rangers aren’t trading Feliz.
by elvis1isking on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
he is a trusted arm late in games....
teams that are trying to win do not agree to give those up….regardless of how many other guys “might” take his place.
Same goes with Smoak….we are not dealing him to bring Davis back up and take that chance….it just wont happen.
by death of the cool on Jun 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Im going to side in the no go side as well
I just dont think Oswalt will be worth the prospect cost involved with acquiring him. If we an get him for a few B prospects and some high upside young guys i could do that, but Houston wants to trade him like he is some young controllable ace, and he isnt any of those things
We shouldnt be giving away our top prospects for anyone unless they are great, young, and controllable.
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Yeah
The more I think about it the less I like Oswalt.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't like the money or his age?
Those are really the only things to dislike, it seems to me.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Both
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta win sometime.
And I’m one of the biggest proponents of the “let guys develop, build from within” mentality on LSB, but at some point, you just say “OK, let’s go for it.”
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
2010 through 2016
instead of just kind of improving our team in 2010, barely helping (maybe not even this) in 2011, and hurting it beyond that
that scenario would be monumentally stupid
Fuck Mike Estabrook
That has nothing to do with Oswalt himself, or the baggage he brings.
That’s on the trade side.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He isnt an ace
He pitches in the NL for starters, and his numbers arent just mind numbingly good
as AJM said, this is a #2 guy, not an ace
Fuck Mike Estabrook
And you're positive
That one of the two is true:
(1) Scheppers turns into at least a number 2
or
(2) Scheppers is part of a package to get a number 1
If you’re not, then the argument is pretty shallow.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You can win with 3 very good No. 2 guys
Certainly easier than you can with 2 No.2 guys.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont disagree
my issue lies with treating Oswalt like an ace in terms of what wed be giving up
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Am I the only one
who can see CJ being part of the deal? He’s got another arb year, so they’d be getting equal time back.
You should be.
Why plug a hole and create a new one?
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
ha, yea
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
That is terrible reasoning
Good lord….
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, you are the only one
CJ has arguably been the Rangers best pitcher this year (depending on which stats you use).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
that does not make sense...
you gain very little form that
by death of the cool on Jun 14, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
This is great news!
The Rangers had to pick up one of Lee, Haren, Oswalt if they were truly interested in upgrading their SP.
He’s not vintage Oswalt, but he still starts Game 1. The prospect cost isn’t likely to be Perez or Scheppers, but it will still hurt.
Of course, I thought Harden would come in and look like a Game 1 guy.
Of the three, I think I convinced myself Lee would cost the least, since he would also bring draft picks with him. But, I can definitely get behind having Oswalt for two playoff drives.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
yup, absolutely agree
Lee or Oswalt are ideal trade targets
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
oh, and I totally love the idea of Feliz and Scheppers learning how to be power pitchers by watching Oswalt.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
and yea, this is kind of back up plan to Harden fail
JD knows we need another top of the line starter to have any chance in the postseason, I really like and absolutely agree with this thought process, we’ll see how the execution ends up (who we deal to get him), but I absolutely agree with the reasoning of pursuing this deal.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Wait....
Why do we have to make a deal
I sure thought weve had a fair amound of injury issues so far this year, and we’re still in 1st fucking place
can someone please fucking tell me why we “have” to make a fucking deal?
Fuck Mike Estabrook
He said
The Rangers had to pick up one of Lee, Haren, Oswalt if they were truly interested in upgrading their SP.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
any chance Oswalt is highly inspired after a trade to a contender with hitting behind him
and actually pitches BETTER?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
oh really?
Cliff Lee’s run for the Phillies? I think it works exactly like that, even though he went AL to NL. You know Roy’s pissed…you know he’d be absolutely ecstatic to have a chance to win again
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig Calcaterra was right about Harden
(BTW – you should list the source prominently in the fanpost. I’d like to know whether to believe it or not without having to click the link)
Ugh
I’d be for it if we were dealing Beavan, Beltre and Max- though not enthusiastically, as it still doesn’t make sense from a financial perspective. But we’d have an elevated chance of making the playoffs and possibly advancing, which is a happy thought. But if we yield anyone with an AOFP north of 59 (Holland, Smoak, Perez, Schep, Feliz) I might cry.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Those expectations are ridiculous
And you should be more than willing to give up Beavan, Beltre, and Max
If the deal is Beaven, Beltre and Ramirez for Oswalt...
…I’d do that deal yesterday.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
:(
I’m a Mad Maxer
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
they wouldnt really want max with Castro there
I could see that deal maybe with Davis + a Ross or Font or something like that instead of max
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I could see them using Max as a backup catcher/backup 1B
Then when Berkman is gone he moves into their 1B role possibly
Although that combo wouldn’t get Oswalt
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yea, seriously
we lose sight of sort term sucess with some of our prospect druling
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
none of those last guys will be in it, I can almost guarantee that
Davis is about 98% likely to go in this deal… it makes it too much sense
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Prepare to cry then.
If we’re getting Oswalt, one of those guys is gone. If JD can get it done without giving up one of those guys I’ll blow him.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
September, I think...
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
PTBNL
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
immediately yes
He would stay in our shystem until September but he could be the PTBNL now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Say if we gave up Mike Kirkman straight up for Oswalt
you would hate it? Wow!!
Im not a big proponent of giving up one of top 5 but if we could make this trade for Font/Davis/Beavan or something along those lines, hell yes id do it. I just wouldnt like giving up Scheppers, Smoak, Perez, Feliz, or Holland.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jun 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Do it JD!
Do it!
Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jun 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Olney
Buster_ESPN
Highly placed source on the Oswalt-to-Rangers-in-the-works report: “Nothing to it.” Given their financial situation, it would be hard (more)
for them to think about taking the most expensive starter in what is a flush market of starting pitching.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Dang, I hate rumors that get me all excited and immediately are shot down
well, we shall see. Why cant we send Harden’s contract over to the Stros to cancel out most of this years money hit and then have Oswalt’s full contract next year when we can pay it? this seems somewhat reasonably possible to me.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
why would the astros do that?
what’s the point? They either pay some of Oswalt’s salary or they don’t. I don’t see the point of a broken Rich Harden being thrown in. Just for the off chance that he plays well and might exercise the mutual option?
Turn around and trade him again?
Not sure who else would want him…maybe a reliever?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
eh, yea, you are right, I was just thinking the stros can eat most of this years salary and still be dumping salary
I was thinking ala NBA trades were you swap an expiring contract for one that isnt, but yea, kind of mixing GM thinking caps up. But no matter, if stros eat this years salary, we are still taking on alot of the money owed to Roy by taking next years contract. It shouldnt totally kill us if we have the stros pay alot of this years salary for us.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Buster_ESPN Highly placed source on the Oswalt-to-Rangers-in-the-works report: “Nothing to it.” Given their financial situation, it would be hard (more)
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
This is going to be fun.
Conflicting reports will abound until the day it happens or the deadline passes.
You can see why the Rangers would deny it. It certainly would suck for other owners to learn of this before MLB had given approval to do take on the salary.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I want Haren.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
by octoberty on Jun 14, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hate that he's a rental.
It would obviously depend on what it cost to get Lee, but if it’s quite a bit, I think I’d rather go the extra mile for Haren.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
Speculation from us
But oh holy wow is Arizona screwed.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Josh Byrnes has said that everyone is...
available if the price is right.
"No nuts, no glory"
Yup.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
well he said
No on Upton and pretty much no on Reynolds
by blueballlefty on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we go back in time and get in on him for some reason deciding to trade Scherzer for a bag of suck?
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell him, Hi.
Keep it on the downlow about how he could’ve been had for much less.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 16, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Speculation, I'm pretty sure
But they aren’t good now, and the BP podcast mentioned that their farm system is lacking high ceiling talent big time.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
You'd have to.
It might be worth it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Where do you plan to play him?
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Oh, wait, Cliff Lee.
Since this is an Oswalt thread, I was thinking the Astros Lee.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
"highly placed source"
doesn’t Buster usually swing and miss here
by blueballlefty on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
beat ya tyd, lol
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Mines prettier
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
You know, it sucks losing prospects and such...
but if the members of this blog were hired as GM of the Rangers, we wouldn’t win dickshit. It’s o.k. to trade top-tier prospects guys.
Correct.
So long as it’s for the right player.
It's never the right player.
It never will be the right player.
I love having a great farm. I’d love making the playoffs even more.
That's just not true.
It’s just a very small list, and there’s no plausible scenario for any of the guys on the list actually being available.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Mmm... Josh Johnson...
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
but pretty much are never going to happen
so we have to play the game we have in front of us.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Laporta for CC was a good deal, but I get the feeling this'd end up being Bedard for Jones/Tillman/Sheril.
What the Phillies gave up for Lee was about right, too.
But, given our finances, our position is such that pretty much any trade like this isn’t going to make sense for us.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirk is coming around on Mike Olt
He probably won’t admit it yet, though.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
you mean Mike Olt (Google) is coming around on Dirk
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We're the first result when you google: Mike Olt Rapes
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA!!!
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Toure?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Lee deal this past offseason
drives the market for Oswalt now; and that value just isn’t that bad.
by elvis1isking on Jun 14, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
The thing is, you generally don’t hear trade rumors for Lincecum or something. It’s always some warty guy, so there’s always going to be doubt.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
for whatever reason
im kind of afraid big game will be included in this deal
Uh...
…OK. If Big Game’s involved, then Oswalt takes his spot in the rotation, and the rotation becomes better.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Yeah
But it’d be nicer to just shitcan Harden.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very true.
I guess my only point was that Tommy Hunter seems expendable to me to acquire Roy Oswalt.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Well sure
It’s definitely not a sticking point. But I do love that Tommy Hunter.
by brettgardner on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to pat him on the head and buy him a tray at Golden Corral.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I'd deal Nera before Scheppers, and Lemon before Elvis... but just barely on that second one.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You want Marcus Lemon inside you.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
As your lungs hunger for oxygen, so do my man-penis hunger for Lil' Lemon.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
afraid that we lose a 5/4th starter?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
prove it
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
What?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
prove that Tommy's a 5th starter
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ever watch him pitch? or read a scouting report? Or look at numbers?
He’s a 4th starter at best.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I like him.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No way this is anything real at all.
Rumor mongering for the sake of rumor mongering.
Not gonna happen.
We have zero dollars, and JD’s not an idiot.
It’d take a fucking fortune worth of prospects plus 7-8 oiled-up virgin girls to get Houston to trade us their ace + pay him to pitch for us, which they’d have to do.
Not even worth doing dance moves at a rumor like this.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
JD's not but I feel this as a Nolan move
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you could make an argument that Nolan is more reactionary
and less sabre savvy and just doesnt value prospects as much as winning now
Fuck Mike Estabrook
yeah
winning now sucks. I can see how people would have a problem with it.
by elvis1isking on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus
Oswalt would be going from a pitchers’ park to a hitters’ park and that plus facing another legit hitter in the lineup hasn’t worked out that well for Peavy.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jun 14, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
They've said repeatedly they've budgeted money in to be flexible at the trade deadline.
Maybe this is the reason they didn’t break the bank on the draft. Saving up every cent possible to do something like this.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
I really, really doubt that.
But… Yah, sure.
Anything is possible.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
they also said
they budgeted to go over slot in the draft.
by elvis1isking on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, they did.
But decided to take a different approach to the draft, to have more money to help the big league team this year.
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
This is very possible, imo
The team is performing well, no major acquisitions flamed out, excepting one, and the team has been in 1st or 2nd thus far, coupled with no team looking particularly strong. With Harden sucking ass, they reassessed before draft day. Most likely, they had both scenarios running concurrently regarding the draft.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
This is my concern
My biggest problem with the Rangers FO is their overvaluing of clubhousiness/friendliness/CareBearosity. Oswalt has a rep as a good dude, the sort who would fit in here, so I wonder if that makes them target him over some other potentially cheaper targets.
It’s the same way that we feared them overpaying for Roy Halladay a few years ago. It’s not that I worry about their scouting or talent evaluation so much as I worry about the pressure they’re under to succeed now and the emphasis on getting someone ‘proven’.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What are some examples of this?
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WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Face making 48 billion dollars a year?
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
That's a whole 'nother issue, imo.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Olt?
I was afraid Vlad would fall into that category, but I was wrong there.
The Michael Young and Feldman extensions probably fit there as well. Byrd is hard to figure since they had payroll limits.
EddieG and TheElectrician could fit there as well, though they’re less maddening.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The Feldman extension has nothing to with anything but stupidity.
I actually get wanting to have a vet dude or two on the bench (or in the bullpen), but that’s a far cry from saying we are chronic overepayers for “proven”.
All teams do little moves like Eddie G. and whatnot.
Face was a special case.
Sometimes teams get sucked into loving their own dudes and decide, “We have to do keepings on IMPORTANT PLAYER X or the fans will never forgive us!” when in fact all the fans care about in the end is fucking winning.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
Just got Galloway into an argument over this Oswalt thing.
But I’m wondering, if Arizona hypothetically comes up to you and is willing to deal Haren, how far do you all go??
http://www.examiner.com/x-50872-Dallas-Stars-Examiner
^ Updated often. Check back often for articles :)
Shift into that special position
And dive on in.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd have Haren or Lee
before Oswalt.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
Yes
There’s gaps between each of those.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Our problem right now
is that we don’t have much of a “middle class” with our prospects. We have a couple of guys who are legit top prospects, and then we have a bunch of talented question marks in Arizona. We just don’t have the depth we’ve had in years past to be smart about trading prospects. It will be pretty easy for a team to decide who they want…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
We may need to start CPP early this year
Just to get a handle on how guys have progressed and such in time for the trade rumor mongering.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
well...there are always the Latin Americans
more relatively unknown, but perhaps a higher ceiling
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And half price!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Also:
Link to a quote from the Rangers? Buster Olney simply said “highly-placed source.” Did Jamey get this independently confirmed by a member of the Rangers’ front office?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
His report sounds like it
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to get into details, but you can choose to trust me if you want.
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 14, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No, that's fine.
I do understandings on that.
Thought that was you maybe starting on doing some bristlings.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And now you don't need to trust me.
The papers have it.
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 14, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
LSB served.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I really feel
like Scheppers is a better fit short term here and although Perez has a higher ceiling Scheppers is closer to reaching his, I understand this is being irrational but if Perez had lit the world on fire this year my opinion might be a little different
LMFAO!!! From the SBN Astros blog guy
I think I’d take Andrus and Perez straight up for Oswalt.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 14, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
I bet you would, SBN Astros blog guy.
Just like thedirkatron would take a back rub from Marcus Lemon straight up for $100.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
this has to go green!
http://www.examiner.com/x-50872-Dallas-Stars-Examiner
^ Updated often. Check back often for articles :)
It is now :)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
This reminds me of the Josey/Will Carroll thing
where the comment is hilariously stupid but not because it is wrong
What was the Josey/Queefpants thing?
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Crawford for Cruz proposal
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Ironically
when you factor in salaries now…Cruz could actually be more valuable than Crawford
(Not saying it was smart at the time…)
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Nah...
gotta get at least another decent pitching prospect there if you’re Houston.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
And if they had much of note in their minors
It would have to come back our way to even out a Andrus for Oswalt deal much less adding in Perez
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
Bless his heart.
I bet he would take Andrus and Perez straight up for Oswalt. He would be pretty pissed once he saw what the Astros would ACTUALLY get though.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Hopefully
the players being offered come primarily from this list:
Who turns down
5 out of this list?
Beltre, Engel
Font, Wilmer
Gutierrez, Daniel
Kiker, Kasey
Lemon, Marcus
Moreland, Mitch
Pimentel, Carlos
Reed, Evan
Paisano, David
Tracy, Chad
Whittleman, John
That is some serious talent.
apparently, we're internally Bearish on the following:
Kiker
Lemon
Moreland
Whittelman
The rest, I can’t speak for – but I know the only really intriguing talent on that list is Beltre and Font. And they have major issues, so I think we’re fine giving them away as a 3rd piece to a major deal, but I highly doubt any of those would be considered a 2nd and especially 1st piece to a big deal.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 14, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, there are some serious tiers on that list.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, and it pretty much works out alphabetically there
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Hmmm.
The thing is, teams are more interested in less player but higher ceilings.
I think you’d probably want to imitate the Tex deal, just to a lesser degree (for age and contract). Something like Hunter/Davis/Gutierrez/Ross or some such.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 14, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Tweet from Jason Cole
LoneStarDugout Robbie Erlin did some very Robbie Erlin-like
things in Hickory tonight – 5 ip | 3 h | 0 r | 0 bb | 4 k – ERA at 1.25 after 50.1 IP.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
That line is Beaven-esque, btw.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
That's the best comp Beavan has ever seen.
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, yeah.
I think Erlin has it all over BB.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Just don't say it to his face, Lil' Erlin.
Stop pummeling me!
Oh, it really hurts!!!
The 40 trumps all!
WWMOD?
by thedirkatron on Jun 14, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'all don't hate on the Captain.
Bunch of dickfucks.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
From LoL
If the Mariners had to score 21 runs to win a game, the game would take 5 days to finish and it would be called Cricket.
And we’d have rally cucumber sandwiches.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Mariners throwing out the second-worst record in the Bigs at this point.
Going to suck seeing them get Purke next year after Baltimore takes Rendon.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Third-worst, dang it.
Pittsburgh has one less win.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
The Pirates can get Purke...
That would be perfect. No one would hear from him again.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jun 14, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be ok with that.
We’d hear about him again when he made it big and then was immediately traded.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
thats funny
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
wow
um stupidsexyflanders, minute maid park is actually one of the most friendliest hitters parks in mlb, and roy oswalt has pitched their for the past 10 seasons, very successfully. And to all those who argue that he couldn’t make the transition to the AL are kind of being ridiculous. I hate that argument because it has no merit whatsoever. Just because he pitches in the NL doesn’t make him a weak pitcher. Every 5 days he has to get 8 quality batters out, then the pitcher. I’m sure one more bat would be no problem, ESPECIALLY for Roy Oswalt. The dude is a bulldog and if ya’ll get Roy you will see what I’m talking about. This is someone you want to take the ball in the playoffs cuz he won’t let you down.
x
Park Factors say Minute Maid is pretty much neutral overall, and has favored pitchers this season, unlike the RBiA.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Facts, man.
How do they work?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
well, i wouldn’t say the park itself has favored the pitchers… the astros offense is on pace to be historically bad.
That's why they have both "batting" and "pitching" categories.
And it’s favored pitchers in both this year. The multiyear is exactly 100, which is neutral.
"I think it's funny because everybody wants Ozzie Smith range," Young said. "I want people to show me a guy that has turbo range like that."
Haren....
Buster_ESPN The D-Backs are making it clear that they are willing to move anybody not named Justin Upton or Ian Kennedy. Dan Haren? Yes, they will talk.
What would it take to get Haren? I think he is one of the guy I wouldn’t mind giving up prospects for. Can we take on his contract when we don’t even have an owner in place?
"No nuts, no glory"
I say hell yes to Haren.
This year plus 3 more years of control. Looks like the ownership situation should be settled soon if today’s events are any indication of things to come. MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have him than Oswalt or Lee.
Let’s talk Arizona.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
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