Orioles designate Garrett Atkins for assignment
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 27, 2010 12:58 PM CDT
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PrintThe Orioles have designated Garrett Atkins for assignment.
This is noteworthy for Rangers fans primarily because Atkins was someone the Rangers apparently had some interest in as a backup 1B/3B/DH this offseason, the sort of role that Mike Lowell was also talked about possibly filling.
Atkins had an extremely disappointing 650 OPS last season with the Rockies, and then has followed it up with a 562 OPS so far this season for Baltimore. The Orioles gave him a guaranteed deal for $4 million for 2010, which seemed like way more than was reasonable, and the signing as turned out to be a disaster.
Nevertheless, given the Rangers' ongoing hunt for a righty bench bat, I have to wonder if Texas might look at bringing Atkins in on a minor league deal if he clears waivers. My initial thought was that they might try to work out a deal to get him from Baltimore (with the Orioles, of course, paying all his remaining salary, since no team is going to take Atkins if they have to pay him), but he's been so bad that I can't see him as an upgrade over Joaquin Arias.
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Another post for AJM to express his love for Arias.
"When you play Happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
the Lowell for Max trade that wasn't
Dodged a bullet there.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Yeah, saw this earlier
Let him clear and then sign him to a minors deal. But, OKC seems pretty full of 1st/3rd/DH types. Would he get enough ABs to truly know if he is back or not?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
just checked on Garko at OKC
vs. LHP .370 /.455 / .815
Sure, it’s a small sample, but this dude has always crushed lefties. If all we need is a RH bench bat to pinch hit against lefties late in games (and give Smoak a break once or twice a month), I think we have a decent candidate to do that already in house.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
That yields an equivalent Major League line of .309/.376/.641 against LHP.
Arias is useless (I think he has comprising picture of Nolan’s wife and Greenberg or something) so what’s the harm in trying Garko again?
"No nuts, no glory"
that equivalent line
is awfully similar to Garko’s ML career line vs. LHP: .302 / .382 / .476
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Except for the 200 extra points of SLG
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
We need the numbers of AB's included, not just that it is a small sample...
..how small?
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
27 abs
But the point is that he has always been able to hit lefties and the most recent evidence is that he still can. I think he was shit canned off the ML roster after only 30 something abs, which I thought was too soon.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Garko adds nothing to the team except a waste of a roster spot.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 1:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, that settles that...
and what is Arias right now exactly?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He's a piece of shit. You don't replace a piece of a shit with another piece of shit.
They both suck.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You at least think about replacing someone with no real place on the team
for someone who if he can hit lefties at all has a place on the team.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
There's no point in having both Blanco and Arias on the roster.
One of them has to go.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Obviously.
But Garko isn’t a better option than either. So there’s no point.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 4:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Already has.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 4:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 5:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yours.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 27, 2010 6:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
"Take all that clubhouse [stuff] and all that, throw it out the window. Every writer in the country has been writing about that [nonsense] for years. Chemistry don't mean [anything]." - Jim Leyland
What about
Jeff Keppinger? Good contact hitter, hitting .297 against LH’ers, draws walks, can play every IF position and some OF. Wouldn’t we want a pinch-hitter who can pinch-hit for anyone because aside from C and CF there’s no one whose position he can’t stay at defensively afterwards?
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jun 27, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see that...
…he does anything for you that Arias doesn’t, other than play SS and 3B, which Blanco already handles.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 27, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Atkins shine under Hurdle?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 1:17 PM CDT reply actions
He was meh in 08 & sucked in 09
So, that theory cannot be proven.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He shined
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
I decided to look around and see if there was anything encouraging behind his performance.
There isn’t.
Thanks for your dedication.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He's no Justin Smoak
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
I am guessing we are not interested.....
by death of the cool on Jun 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
OT: Can someone help me?
Why is Hamilton’s WAR and RAR relatively low? 4th in OPS?
"When you play Happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
I think he gets pinged a little for defense
But, he’s fourth in baseball in WAR, so I don’t know about it being ‘low’.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Baseballreference.com
Has Hamilton out of the top ten at 2.3.
"When you play Happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
by Feliz es bueno on Jun 27, 2010 2:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
B-R's WAR uses Total Zone for defense...
which has Hamilton worth 9 runs below average (hard to believe). Fangraph’s WAR uses UZR which has Hamilton worth 1.3 runs above average.
"No nuts, no glory"
Thanks!
"When you play Happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
by Feliz es bueno on Jun 27, 2010 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hearing all this makes me think that these defensive metrics suck dick at best.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Because two which use different methodologies that are not treated as equal by just about anyone have fairly different results in a small sample size for one player?
Yeah, I didn't take into consideration the SSS.
but whenever it no longer becomes a SSS and Hamilton is a negative as a LF then I’ll take issue with it.
Hamilton is a good LF, I really don’t see how he could be a negative even with a SSS….I’m sure it’s bc I really don’t even understand the metrics that much….so….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not a very logical approach.
You know that’s the same argument Yankees fans make about Jeter, right?
It’s based on charting every play Hamilton does and does not make, and comparing that to how often they’re made by leftfielders and centerfielders on average. While that’s not automatically correct, it’s better evidence than anything else, and a fan disagreeing with it based on anecdotal memory isn’t certainly not evidence strong evidence it’s incorrect.
Who determines what he should have and shouldn't have gotten to? How do they know?
How can they have consistency with this when different people are making judgements on this each game?
Do these ?‘s make sense? I’m really trying to grasp the defensive metric stuff…I’m all about the metrics used for gauging offense…I just am more inclined to trust my eyes re: defense than what metrics show.
Again, it’s probably due to the fact that I don’t understand how they do what they do re: defensive metrics.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
x
comparing that to how often they’re made by (all other) leftfielders and centerfielders on average
Think of it as an appraisal, mebbe it’ll stick that way :P
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
shit....now I really don't trust 'em....:)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy: how often do other fielders get to it.
There are primers for UZR available at FanGraphs and primers available for DRS at The Fielding Bible’s website. Essentially, batted balls are categorized objectively, and how often an individual makes plays vs. the average is combined with run values for the plays.
Yes, they do make sense. But why would you trust your eyes more? Think about this honestly and objectively, rather than how you want it to be: You’re watching games with the eye of a fan. You’re not watching every play made in baseball and comparing the player to that; you’re not even objectively remembering and weighting every single play made. You’re just relying on quickly watching and then thinking about what stands out in your memory of games that are far and away Rangers-based and not comparing them to other players.
John Dewan and MGL will readily say defensive metrics are only about 60% of the way there, but that’s a lot better than a fan’s anecdotal opinion. Your mind is just simply not equipped to accurately recall every play that ever happened and you don’t have the time to watch every other play from the same position to compare.
thanks for taking the time to break it down like that...helps out a lot.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem, thanks for actually reading.
The primers I mentioned (didn’t have time to link) will do much better than that, though.
Field f/x should make...
defensive metrics much more reliable. The thing I would argue is you often don’t get to see how good/bad of a read the OF gets on TV so that limits you from judging them properly plus you usually don’t get to see which way the OF’ers are shaded on TV so you don’t see how much ground the outfielder actually covered.
"No nuts, no glory"
Yep.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
TZ is used by B-R because it's the best we have for evaluation prior to PBP-based measures.
And Rally used the same measure for everyone, rather than something different for more recent players. Plus, it was his design.
This is pretty much the worst thing ever written about a baseball player
[H]e’s been so bad that I can’t see him as an upgrade over Joaquin Arias.
That’s just… heartbreaking to think about.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
waves from ok city while being ignored
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I'm putting together the smoker that my wife got me for F-Day.
And it got me to thinking…..
You know how you go to Home Depot or Lowe’s and can pay a little extra to get the thing assembled…..
The people who have that job have the worst job on the planet….bar none.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
If you got one of the bullet types there are several easy & free mods you can do to make it better
google it, it’s an entire subculture
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
There sure is a subulture out there....I am slowly working my way to a legit 55 gallon drum smoker...
this thing is nothing special, doesn’t have a wood box…but it’s got more grill room and more room for wood etc….
Right now I’m just working on gauging temps and cook times with various woods and meats.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
they live in their own hell.....
How about those desk and furniture you have to assemble like from Ikea or target
Sure they don’t look too bad….until you open it up and there are 300 parts with shitty ass screws that strip and the parts never seem to fit right and you get confused because they have the directions in 15 languages all bunched together…
by death of the cool on Jun 27, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh I couldn't even imagine....
I’m convinced that instead of going to see a priest or whatever prior to getting married people should have to put together something like that with their potential bride/grooms.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jun 27, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
They put together a bunch of them.
It’s probably not that bad. I bet some of those guys don’t even need to look at the instructions.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
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