Rangers reportedly in "serious" talks to acquire Bengie Molina
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 7:41 PM CDT
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PrintWe are still sitting here waiting on the news of a roster move to make room for Omar Beltre, and Evan Grant suggests that the lack of a move thusfar may be linked to the reports that the Rangers are in serious talks to acquire Bengie Molina from the San Francisco Giants.
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi say that a deal could come in the next 24 hours, and list Chris Davis and Jarrod Saltalamacchia as potential trade chips for the Rangers, although I can't imagine the Rangers giving either up for just Molina, even if the Giants ate all of Molina's remaining $2.5 million or so that he's due this year.
One possibility would be a Molina for Dustin Nippert deal, which would free up a roster spot immediately that could be used for Beltre, since I don't believe that Molina has to be added to the 25 man roster until he officially reports.
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Hold on.
You’d rather have a 36 year old catcher who’s slower than evolution and represents no discernible upgrade over the current catching situation over a 28 year old reliever with a decent arm and 1 more year of relatively cheap team control?
Think about it for like, I don’t know, 2 seconds.
by LiamP on Jun 30, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Ray has been shit this year.
And this organization has emphasized handling pitchers/calling games. All popular accounts suggest that Bengie is quite good at doing just that. If you’re worried about the projected loss in offensive production we suffer by going from Treanor to Bengie, give me break. Neither of them can hit worth a damn. The differences are negligible.
Like I said in the previous thread, I’ll withhold judgment until I see the price.
x
If you’re worried about the projected loss in offensive production we suffer by going from Treanor to Bengie, give me break…The differences are negligible.
What. The. Fuck? I said this:
…represents no discernible upgrade over the current catching situation…
The point is, I have no interest in giving away cheap relievers with decent arms for shitty catchers (WHO MAKE MORE MONEY) with the magical power of making those Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez bums look good.
Sorry about that.
I assume the discernible upgrade is in the ability to handle pitchers/call games. That could all be bullshit, but I’d trust our baseball ops people to know whether or not it is.
It's not negligible
go look. There are varying degrees of bad. Treanor has actually been passable. Molina has not been at all
I looked.
And then I looked at the careers for each of them. And I’m being charitable suggesting that the differences are negligible—charitable to Treanor.
Why do you assume we're not getting salary relief in this deal?
Should the presumption be that we are, given our financial circumstances?
So we're going to soak up the remainder of our budget for a #2 Catcher and while the team is in bankruptcy?
Does this add up to anyone?
If they paid all of his salary and took Ray, that would be stupid of them, I think, but then I might be kind of okay with it.
I’m happy Max is actually getting some MLB time, though. I’d miss that.
I don't think Nippert gets the Giants to pay any of his salary
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Arias is their problem now.
Hehe
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by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 30, 2010 7:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
More prospect movement:
G Pitmental moved up to Hickory. #Rangers first rd draft pick Josh Skole assigned to Spokane.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
that was quick on Skole
Deglan next?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Also wonder if this means Miggy V and Engel get bumped also
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
ive been slow
to read the minor league reports this year, did skole do anything of note in rookie ball?
by studcrackers on Jun 30, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He did good but still it was only a couple weeks
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'd okay...
with Molina for Ray or Nippert.
Not Salty or Davis though. Molina is very meh.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So we are going to spend our money
On one of the Molinas and be done? Or Seattle has agreed to take Jeff Huson for Lee and pay his salary the rest of the year.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Jeff Huson
He’s doing stuff on the Rockies broadcasts. I saw him the other day, bantering with Tracy Ringolsby.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I just tried to reply to your deleted post and it deleted my post.
Is that what you were testing?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I thought he was out of baseball. Good for him.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
gross
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
I don't see why this would be such a terrible move.
Obviously I’d rather have Lee or Oswalt, but I think it’s possible to still get another starting pitcher even if we do get Molina.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Because I don't see how it's likely to help the team.
Treanor alone (with poor luck on balls in play) has been more valuable by any evidence than Molina this year, and he’s split time most of the season. Even if Molina regresses toward’s last year’s still-below-average season and Ramirez and Treanor fall off a cliff, the gain is pretty small, and that’s the best case scenario. Meanwhile, you lose some financial flexibility, go with what would have been a downgrade for the first half of the season and lose someone who might have a chance to actually contribute.
I'm about to walk out the door
but MLBN just said they’d have more details on this rumor “after the break” so I’m hanging around.
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"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Keep us posted.
Uverse doesn’t carry MLBN.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
and that sucks for me....
thanks uverse!
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep that pisses me off.
I have Uverse as well
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Neither does Dish Network.
Weak sauce. I really want that channel.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm in serious panic mode.
Even if this ends up being most a low-impact trade, the signs of stupidity and panic in the FO are unnerving if any of this is true.
x
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I was about to make one, when suddenly—
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would molina for salty/ray be that bad?
It seems like a minor upgrade but it is an upgrade, is it not?
If they pick up his entire remaining salary.
Hate giving up on Salty, but I guess.
They don’t need a catcher prospect, though.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would they want Salty
I would think Teagarden would be who they may want since he profiles as a backup anyway and they have Posey as their future C.
Tea + Nips for Molina isn’t bad IMO
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I do that no question.
But I despise TT.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That works for me too.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
he's basically lost all his power
and is hitting more ground balls. I don’t really get this move. Leadership or something? Would he even be the starter?
Molina/Smoak could be the slowest back-to-back in any lineup in history.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd probably split time with Treanor
And represent a defensive upgrade over Ramirez.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This sounds better.
But I still don’t want to give up anyone potentially useful for it. Not with that contract and the ownership situation.
ANy chance that foul Matt hit off his knee is worse than reported??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'm thinking this may be part of it.
The Rangers sure to seem reluctant to bring Saltalamaccia back. You can never really have enough bullpen depth for the stretch run, so I’m thinking they must really, really want a catcher. Molina is a very good defensive catcher — or was. I haven’t seen him play this year at all.
by Black Francis on Jun 30, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I would support a Max/Ray or a Teagarden/Ray.
I’m not ready to give up on Salty just yet. And I want something better than Bengie Molina for Chris Davis.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm not sure it is.
At most, it’s minor. I don’t want to give up Salty for the chance of a minor upgrade, and I don’t want to pay a couple million dollars to get rid of Ray.
So...
What we going to do? Carry three catchers? Send down Max? DL one of them?
I so confused…
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Seems like Salty and Davis were pure speculation....
Seems like it would be one of our RP and maybe a lower minors player….
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions
I bet they're getting Molina to free up cap space for a sign n trade with Cleveland for Lebron.
Boom. Roasted.
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"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Someone tweeted earlier that the OKC Redhawks were joining the LeBron sweepstakes.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF JD?
Molina has a .284 wOBA. Treanor .308 wOBA.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Molina's defense is terrible though
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't be worse than Max.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I haven't seen anything that indicates he sucks at game calling/handling pitchers
The area of defense this org seems to emphasize.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So you are saying he can make
Feldman throw strikes? :)
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
Hed be a good influence on guys like Hunter, Holland, Feliz, etc
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Get your red Molina jersey ready
size XXXXXL
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He'd be a fantastic influence on Tommy.
In the “Hey, if you keep eating like a madman, this is what happens to you” kind of way.
by LiamP on Jun 30, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hes dealt with young pitchers for the last several years
Beyond just Lincecum.
Cain, Sanchez, etc.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Not as much as Molina has
hes been the starting C for the Giants for the last several years and basically guided those young guys through their first years in the league. Matt Treanor and Max Ramirez have not done anything of the sort.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Lincecum loves him.
He campaigned for him to be re-signed.
Still, it’s not like he took a trio of untalented flunkies and turned them into great pitchers. Those three were pretty fucking talented before any of them met Bengie Molina.
And Hunter, Holland, and Feliz are also pretty talented
Along with perhaps Scheppers later in the year.
Guiding those guys down a pennant stretch could be a huge key
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Pudge really helped get us down
the stretch last year as well.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Well thats it then
Lets never acquire another player near the deadline because not all have worked out
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Not saying that
There are better players out there to be had that would help more than a Molina.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Depends on the price
If it only costs us a guy like Nippert or Moreland or someone of that ilk is it really that bad?
Clear upgrades are either unavailable or would cost entirely too much in trade.
As much as Max has impressed me this year I do not feel comfortable with him as a catcher going down the stretch in a pennant race.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I just don't think
Molina puts us over the top. I would rather roll with what we have. Now if this is part of a bigger trade so be it.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
this
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
Sometimes just making a move
No matter how significant, can show the clubhouse you are serious and they understand “its time”.
Sure Lee would help us more but some of the help by acquiring Molina could be purely in the clubhouse atmosphere
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well then let's go get Byrd
I hear he is a hell of a clubhouse guy!
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
That's not true
Why do you make shit up as fact. If you were a professional ballplayer with 20 years experience I might believe you. Might. As it stands, your authoritative statements about the clubhouse don’t mean shit
Fuck it.
This is my problem with Justin Smoak. The dude just does not realize the team wants to win.
They need to make some random trades to make him realize the Rangers would rather win baseball games than just kind of show up for the pay.
No, no no.
We need to trade for someone who has won something, so he can teach the other guys how.
Knowing how to win is the key to victory.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is what shows them you're serious
You better hook up ventilators to each of them because they must be brain dead.
Shouldn't this read
“I haven’t seen anything to indicate that catcher’s have any control over game calling/handling of pitchers?”
Well, I guess you can look at his gleaming cERA and chalk it all up to him. Look what he did for Lincecum!
But I’m messing with you. I used to love citing to cERA back in the day. I would hate to trade a catcher based on something that I’m not sure exists. He is significantly worse offensively and defensively than Treanor
I know the A's, Red Sox, and Rangers...
…all of which are organizations that tend to be rather forward-thinking, have emphasized game calling/pitcher handling in recent years.
I don’t know if it exists, or how much of a difference it makes, but if Theo Epstein and Billy Beane think it matters, then that gets my attention.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And you think Molina is good at game calling?
Well, I’m open to it. I don’t really have a handle on game calling but I do get mad at some pitch sequences sometimes. Hope it works out.
Molina's reputation is good, from what I can recall hearing
I don’t really know, though. I’m not excited about him, and would just as soon they roll with the Max and Treanor combo, but if they are giving up Joaquin Arias to get him, with San Fran paying his salary, then that’s fine.
I’m just putting out there what I imagine the thought process would be behind acquiring Molina…that that aspect of his defense would make him an upgrade over Max.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 30, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the only convincing reason I could see for doing this.
And it sucks because I just have to hope the Rangers know something no one is able to show strong evidence of yet.
Against a good hitter you'll see
/fastball
/fastball
/fastball
/fastball
/fastball
/fastball
/fastball
/slider (pitcher HUH?)
/fastball
Once in a while, he calls pitches backwards (i.e. off-speed and breaking stuff first), and in really really obvious situations (0-2 and 1-2 counts) he’ll have the pitcher throw their best off-speed stuff, but otherwise, you’re gonna see a lot of fastballs and be frustrating.
Oh, and Molina is one of the worst catchers at blocking pitches in the dirt. A helluva lot of “wild pitches” that the Giants have had this season have actually been passed balls. It has been awful.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
its all about pitching and defense I guess....
that also means maybe SF is giving him away
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not about offense
The way our other players are going to get a guy of Molinas rep behind the dish would could our starters greatly
Plus by dropping to 8th in our lineup he may do better offensively than having to hit 4th in the Giants lineup
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
NO
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone has to catch Neftali Perez
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
heyooooo!!!!!
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
He would be the backup catcher.
Treanor would still start.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Doubt it
Hed start and Treanor would go back to a 1-2 game a week role
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No
Molina:
.644 OPS
23 CS%
Treanor:
.693 OPS
29 CS%
What's up my little chicken pot pie?
Even though your face is huge, I love the shit out of you girl.
by JimCrankshaft on Jun 30, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
we're just gonna swap
posey/molina for treanor/max/salty
sounds fair
by studcrackers on Jun 30, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still not sold
Treanor is like the catching version of David Murphy
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Please Lord let it be that fucking hippie guy.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
heh....
will take that guy with the long hair
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, fuckit.
I’m gonna be late and MLBN still hasn’t talked about this rumor. Catch y’all later.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Right on cue they're talking about it.
“serious discussion”. No details on money or what the giants get back. Sabean says they want a left handed hitter they can control – Davis or Salty fit the bill (that is Rosenthal’s speculation, not what Sabean said)
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
And now I really have to leave!
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
.382/.453/.473 in only 55 PA against lefties this year
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jun 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
career .305/.341/.492
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jun 30, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Salty or CD, if its either of those 2 i say hell no
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
Unless we are getting more back than just Molina....
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah just not a one to one trade
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
If Treanor is hurt...or something like that...
MAYBE this makes some sense. If not, why would we trade Davis or Salty for Molina? No way.
If we’re desperate for some reason I cannot understand, I would say keep looking! Then make a bigger-better-more-players trade.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
If it's Salty or CD
Molina isn’t the only player coming back our way. Or this is the first shoe to fall in a series of other trades.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
am i the only one....
who remembers that Salty cant even throw the ball back to the pitcher.
by dontcallmeElvis on Jun 30, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to keep up
He is ok now.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
have we seen proof of this longterm?
Not that the Rangers would lie……of course not.
by dontcallmeElvis on Jun 30, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
bruise knee
just getting the day off…
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Got that foul ball off his knee last niight
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I agree.
It’s like bringing back Buffet Laird… only fatter.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 30, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps the Rangers want draft picks
Molina projects as a Type A free agent
Would we offer him arbitration, though?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
With a new owner
Possibly.
If we trade Salty then next years catchers look pretty bleak
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't see any way we offer arb, he declines, and another team signs him and forfeits a pick.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
I return to my brilliant “ew” analysis after a quick detour.
I’d rather give Salty another chance. Even if the yips come back, its not like Molina at this point is some guy you can’t afford to miss out on… any random catcher we could pick up would probably be similar.
Obviously the Rangers wouldn’t be trading for him if they had to pay all of his 4.5 million dollar salary.. but if the giants would pay some of his salary then you’d have to be giving them something back… blah.
Ohhhh...
Now you have my attention.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Giants fan here
I’m sure he’d take your arb offer. Giants didn’t offer him arb last year because they were sure he would take it.
My Son, the best position player on the damn team.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
You're probably right
A 36 year old catcher with a $4.5M base salary would be more likely to benefit from going through arbitration rather than free agency.
nice catch....
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jun 30, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it
we’ve got NO bats at the C position—sure Molina is old but he’s hit 18 or so HRs over the last 3 or 4 years and we don’t have anyone who can do that…his defensive skills are as good as anyone we’ve got…I like the move (but I wouldn’t trade Andrus and Feliz for him)
Elvis or Feliz???
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
Andrus and Feliz are not in the radar on this discussion. They're off in Hawaii vacationing on this one.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
lol
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Sorry
I forget how literally people on here take things and don’t recognize sarcasm…I wouldn’t trade either Feliz or Andus’ GLOVES for ANYBODY short of Pujols and Lincecum and Strasburg
You must understand.
We’ve seen many a stupid n00b. So when a guy with 127 posts says something like that it tends to be suspect. Glad to know you’re not as dumb as you came off.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
You are thinking of some 90's version of Molina
he got old and sucks now. It’s ok. He’s in the NL and you wouldn’t know
I would not trade those 2 for half of the Giants team
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
Weird.
I might trade them for Posey, Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner… but it would be close.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL Trip, "it would be close"
You’re a riot man :-)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
He has a career .308 obp
His power numbers were some of the most empty in the league. The combination of his lack of patience and league worst speed already countered most of his power on the offense end, and now hes not hitting for the power yet anyway.
From this point of the season on he may perform as well as our other catcher upgrades, but its hard to see him being worth any decent prospect or payroll commitment when we have so little room to work with. And heh, I hope you arn’t implying one tier below feliz is ok. Scheppers?
I'm not even interested in looking up how your offensive analysis is wrong right now.
Just know that it is or do it yourself.
Otis Arias?
After the show I want Greg Oden to tuck us both in and tell us stories about the old days. - Will Ferrell
by JukeboxJoe on Jun 30, 2010 8:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Love going over to other team's boards
And seeing certain posters (in this case SF Giant fans) more than willing to drive a certain player (in this case, Molina) over to another team’s city (in this case Arlington) for free….
Makes me so excited for a trade like this…
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
That has more to do with him blocking Posey.
They’re playing Huff in the OF and Posey at 1B to accommodate Molina.
Yeah, he seems to be out of sorts with the SF fans
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
You could say that
It’s not just blocking posey, either. (Keep in mind that last year, bochy played eli whiteside, a career minor league catcher with little ability on offense or defense, ahead of posey.) He is one of the worst offenders of an offense that (usually) hacks away, rarely seeming to hit with any kind of plan. And his tendency to whine doesn’t endear him to fans either.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Seems like the waiting.....
Has to concern the DFA of Nippert right? We want a deal in place before we do it
by death of the cool on Jun 30, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions
Sounds right, or maybe he's in a trade, who knows
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
According to BTB Catcher Defense Rankings (as of June 29)....
only catchers worse than Bengie Molina are Adam Moore, Jorge Posada, Chris Iannetta, Victor Martinez, George Kottaras, Mike Napoli, John Hester, and Ryan Doumit.
"No nuts, no glory"
Where the F is Rob Johnson
/Jeff and LL
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
Where's Varitek?
the catcher with the Julio Borbon arm.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
23% throwing runners out not real good, maybe calls a good game
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
Better not be Moreland either
jonmorosi Source says #Giants will not get either Davis or Saltalamacchia in proposed Molina deal. #Rangers #MLB
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Would be a good move for the Giants
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
especially if they can play firstbase
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam with a funny
lonestarball
Source also says Mets will not get Smoak for Oliver Perez @jonmorosi Source says Giants will not get Davis or Salty in proposed Molina deal.
by ab03 on Jun 30, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is moreland a lefty bat?
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
yep
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
damn, it may be him
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
Don't see what they'd want with Salty
but I think people are overestimating Salty and Davis’s trade value
Go Rice Owls!
Wigginton
Is the roster upgrade that I’d be looking to make. Just tied the A’s game with a 2 run blast.
Jack Daddy
This is a great idea. A mid-to-upper thirties, grizzled, veteran catcher w/post-season experience like..., wait for it, ....PUDGE!!!
Sheesh!
It's "Ode to Joy," from the Ninth Symphony. - Josh Garoon
OT: Speaking of grizzled.
If somebody can find a video of that old “Who’s more grizzled” skit from SNL with Garth Brooks I would love to see it.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
speaking of grizzled
Best SNL skit ever:
Buttwheat sings. (Eddie Murphy)
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Thank you, Nationals
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
This says two things to me
A. JD has been told the ownership sale wont go through, so he is making the move the need to make now with the little money they have left.
OR
B. JD has been told he will have more money, the sale will go through, and thus he can do this now and also pursue a SP in July…
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
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by FormerLSBUser on Jun 30, 2010 8:37 PM CDT reply actions
So Nolan is shooting from the hip?
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
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by FormerLSBUser on Jun 30, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Angel's rally monkey is encouraged by this.
It's "Ode to Joy," from the Ninth Symphony. - Josh Garoon
You can leave now
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Jun 30, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, i know
I want it to. People I trust who know important people insist it wont happen. I think I hope they are wrong. Bu if Ryan really wants to replace Jd (and I don’t think he does) would that be a bad thing?
Jack Daddy
Rangers100 is this you?
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Nah
Shouldn’t have said anything. I think the only person that knows what’s going to happen is the judge. Ready for it to be done. But if delay means we don’t give up on Perez for a half yr rental, then I’m all for it.
Jack Daddy
I agree with this
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Per mccoveychronicles
If you can ignore the pipe dreams of us giving Scheppers for him, there’s some decent discussion over there. http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/6/30/1546131/rangers-want-benji-molina
I personally like the idea of trading Garko for Molina.
My favorite one
I’d take a kick in the groin to get this done….
Proud supporter of the Fightin’ Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on Jun 30, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack Daddy
Their scouting report of Molina
Assets
* Makes good contact and has a lot of pop in his bat. Is brilliant in the clutch and a quality RBI producer. Calls a great game and works well with his pitchers.
Flaws
* While he’s otherwise excellent defensively, he has a tough time throwing base-runners out. Can be prone to some streakiness with the bat due to an unwillingness to take walks.
I'm uncomfortable about this
unless Molina is coming as a backup and Arias is going the other way.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Whoh Whoh Whoh
Slow down a bit champ. Going from Arias to Molina will seriously downgrade our pinch running flexibility.
Hey guys.
I’m a Giants fan. Molina is the worst player in baseball. That is all.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Your avatar is worse
That is all.
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
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by FormerLSBUser on Jun 30, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ignorance!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
GTFO.
That is all.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jun 30, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Noted. Farewell.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Why are we telling him to GTFO?
He’s just trying to warn us.
Molina is fucking terrible.
"Take all that clubhouse [stuff] and all that, throw it out the window. Every writer in the country has been writing about that [nonsense] for years. Chemistry don't mean [anything]." - Jim Leyland
(final contirbution)
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Warns us from what?
That Molina sucks? That like warning someone that fire is hot.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
it looks like a few of the commentors here believe fire to be just warm.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
Udate
JohnSheaHey
Bengie Molina is on Giants’ flight to Colorado, but I’m hearing the trade to Texas is extremely close and figures to come down tonight.
JohnSheaHey
Giants would get hitter in return, not Davis or Saltalamacchia, both mentioned as possibilities. Good thing Buster packed a catcher’s mitt
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Ewww. Please no.
Oh dear God sweet baby Jesus dirkatron in heaven NO.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
I’d rather continue running Treanor out there.
"Take all that clubhouse [stuff] and all that, throw it out the window. Every writer in the country has been writing about that [nonsense] for years. Chemistry don't mean [anything]." - Jim Leyland
I'm sorry, guys.
I really am.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I hope you guys like double plays and passed balls!!!
Because that’s what’s coming to town! I’m a Giants fan and this is officially one of the greatest days of the season so far!!
WOOO WOOO!
Molina DP's?
I don’t see it happening so much since Warsh will probably have him bunt half the time.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
c ya c ray
what are the odds the PTNBL is someone just drafted.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
you cannot trade a player until 1 year after he signs. PTBNL only extends 90 days out IIRC.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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thanks.
knowledge i didn’t have. thought it was a year. and i was wrong.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Honestly
I have no animus towards the Rangers or you as fans, so believe me when I say that I’m truly sorry. Molina being gone makes the Giants suddenly about 10 times better. Molina is a terrible player and I have no idea why a professional team would trade for him.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
i dont know if the loss of one player can make a team 10 times better
but im going to guess you were just exaggerating
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sean Avery.
Dallas Stars. They were at least 9 times better when they dumped him.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 1, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not exaggerating
Check out the 1500+ comments over at McCovey Chronicles. Pretty much every Giants fan agrees with bondslegend.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
They are correct
Molina is a terrible hitter whose defense has also seriously degraded this year. He may be good at handling the pitchers, but otherwise he’s just not good. I’m kind of surprised that they made this deal, seeing as how Sabean insists on signing, and Bochy insists on playing, veterans (especially gritty gamer veterans) regardless if they’re any good or not.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
The only thing I can think of...
Is the Millwood/Ray deal. We all were very confused about that, until we immediately signed Harden following said deal.
My guess: JD is getting the Giants to pay the bill, Ray frees up cap space (possibly in addition to the PTBNL), and JD has something in the works to pick up a major SP (Lee, Oswalt, etc.).
At least I hope that’s what’s going on… otherwise, I’m just as confused as the rest of you.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Could be Garko, Teagarden, etc.
Just thinking that maybe the PTBNL is another salary relief for Texas, but also equally likely that the PTBNL isn’t.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 30, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If it is Garko
That would be friggin’ hilarious. Giants fans were upset to see him unceremoniously let go after small-sample-size failure, then kind of amazed at how much he sucked after that.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
According to Baseball Tonight...
…Molina is excellent at handling a staff. If true, I’m excited about this trade because he will at least match Treanor in terms of offense so additional leadership at the catcher position is certainly worth an expendable bullpen arm. This trade is a push at worst. I don’t see how anyone could hate it.
Because
Molina is terrible at defense, terrible at hitting and terribly fat and slow.
He’s a clear downgrade over Treanor and Max.
"Take all that clubhouse [stuff] and all that, throw it out the window. Every writer in the country has been writing about that [nonsense] for years. Chemistry don't mean [anything]." - Jim Leyland
I'm not really sure about this trade
I’m not a fan of Ray but could had came around. Tre and Max were fine to me..I don’t consider Mole a big step up but I guess we’ll see.
you could have picked him up for nothing in a couple of weeks
although picking him up would be difficult, if you catch my drift.
He’ll provide comic relief when he bats or gets on base. Slow does not in any way describe his rate of movement.
Oh, and he had some sort of deal with the official scorer in SF to not give him passed balls; they were all called wild pitches here. Just so you won’t be surprised.
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
Very, very weird trade
It is hard to imagine the PTBNL would be any good. Chris Ray for Bengie sounds like a pretty even deal for both teams. Both aren’t very good players and both fit into a relative area of need for the team acquiring.
This seems very un-JD to me...
I don’t see the logic in getting a light-hitting, bad defense catcher who isn’t young or skinny!
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Yeah,
what did we give up for Pudge again? And what’s he doing today?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
This is a bad trade.
It probably won’t make much of a difference in the long run. But it’s still a bad trade. Molina, with his bad hitting/bad fielding/slowest player in baseball combo, has negative value in my mind. Ray, while he has sucked this year, has been a decent closer in the recent past, throws hard, and has consistently struck out batters at a high rate before this year. Surely, SURELY, he has more value than Bengie effing Molina??
Now if this move was made to clear salary (especially if the PTBNL is someone like McCarthy) and a bigger trade is in the works, then everything changes.
I'm okay with this (I think)
Taking Chris Ray away from Wash has to be a good thing. He’s been throwing him out there in high-leverage situations, and the result has been a 5.28 FIP (5.88 xFIP, thanks to a 81.4 LOB%, I’m sure). The less black holes we have in the bullpen, the better. While Molina doesn’t represent an upgrade over Treanor or Max (especially offensively), I don’t see it as a downgrade either.
Will we see Max for Lowell now?
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Molina might be a good fit for the Rangers, but he isn’t for the Giants anymore. You guys really don’t need another great bat since you have such a strong lineup. Molina will provide you with what you need, which is an experienced catcher that can handle a pitching staff well and plays good defense (debatable). He was not good on a team that needs lineup help and has a great young catching prospect. Us Giants fans are glad to see him gone, but that doesn’t mean you all should be throwing yourselves down stairwells. All you gave was a decent relief arm. I think this trade was rather fair for both sides.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
decent relief arm?
think again. Chris Ray is no “decent relief arm”. You’ll find out soon enough. He was cheap, though. I’ll give you that.
Most of the people here are worried about the PTBNL and how much of that proportionally fat contract the Giants are paying.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
The PTBNL is rarely anyone good. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Consolidation of my thoughts on this.
I hope the Rangers pulled in plenty of cash from SF in this deal, otherwise giving up two players for Molina (even if the two are Elizardo Ramirez and Mark Hamburger) is overkill.
I find it extremely unlikely that Molina wouldn’t have been available for “free” a few weeks from now. Sabean may write up some super-goofy contracts, but he’s not a complete moron of a GM.
The Giants had two options with Molina: (1) pay him to play for someone else by trading him or releasing him or (2) put him on the bench behind Posey. With option 1 they could release him and get nothing back or trade him with cash and pick up a potentially useful piece.
My feeling is that Ray alone is worth enough to have the Giants pick up the difference in their contracts. The inclusion of a PTBNL makes me nervous. If it’s a player with any kind of a Major League ceiling, then his inclusion in the deal absolutely has to have been a requirement for the Giants to pick up Molina’s salary.
If the Rangers weren’t able to gain some wiggle room on player salaries here, I can’t see how this makes the team better. On the plus side, I don’t think this makes them any worse either.
Molina is the human flailing machine
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
So I guess you kinda win.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
So....basically
we essentially trafed Millwood for Molina. Maybe there’s a MLB hotdog eating contest sometime soon and JD realize we’re out of fat fucks…needed Molina to represent the Rangers (think about it…how many hotdogs is Borboun tossing down…2, 3 tops????), thinking that his extreme fattness will help him put them dogs away so we could pUt the “Bronze Buns” trophy in the case next to the Silver Boot.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Your clubhouse is gonna need to double the post-game spread...
In all seriousness, Molina is probably fine for a backup who only plays once a week (preferably against lefties). But if he the starter, get ready to rip your hair out.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Don't believe the hype
There is NOTHING positive about Molina. He can’t hit, his power is gone, he can’t block any pitch faster than 80 MPH, he can’t throw guys out, and he is THE SLOWEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL.
Sorry…but I am not exaggerating.
As far as the “Calls a good game”…the Giants pitchers have been trashed halfway into the season for two reasons: 1. impatient, inning-enders and DP savants like Molina so the pitchers hit the dugout and immediately go back out to throw more, and, more relevant to the original thought in this sentence, Molina DOES NOT call a good game and opposing hitters spoil the predictable pitch calls and extend at bats and pitch counts. This, I’ve noticed recently and is not oft discussed. It hit me when Posey caught Bumgarner who ran into trouble early but was efficient enough to last awhile.
The best example of this is the recent starts of Lincy and Cain…both have top-tier swing through stuff, but Molina’s game calling is so predictable, the kids get hammered and their pitch counts get out of control.
For what it’s worth.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
looks like he has good plate discipline - as in dinner plate.
we just got the hispanic version of “Fat Bastard”
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
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