Jim Callis reports Michael Main to the Giants
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 1, 2010 3:19 PM CDT
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PrintJim Callis is reporting that Michael Main is the player to be named later going to the Giants in the Bengie Molina deal.
Very disappointing, if true.
And also very telling about what the Rangers think of their catching situation right now, and either the ability of Max Ramirez to handle the defensive part of the job at the major league level, or Matt Treanor to stay healthy. Or both.
Given that the difference in salaries for the rest of the year between Molina and Ray is about $2 million, I think it is fair to say the Rangers basically sold Main to the Giants for $2 million.
And for those who want to say that Tom Hicks' fiscal mismanagement hasn't really cost the Rangers anything, you can shut up now...
The Rangers had to kick in something to get the Giants to eat Molina's salary. And the price was, apparently, Michael Main.
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Terrible.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
ANOTHER JOHN DANKS TRADE HUH?
I GUESS THIS IS WHY NOLAN IS GETTING RID OF JD, BECAUSE OF DEALS LIKE THIS.
by telmc on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong
Danks was sent away for a major-league ready BMac. Main was sent away for a washed up overweight not very good old catcher we didn’t need.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Jul 1, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not even close
This is a pretty bad deal, but not that bad. The Danks deal was a matter of absolutely putrid talent evaluation. This is a matter of the club being broke and desperate at catcher. Danks was on the doorstep of the majors after a minor league career where he almost literally improved every single day since turning pro, with no setbacks either physically or developmentally. Main is much more of a longshot and his track record (either physical or developmental) as a pro doesn’t suggest that he’s the type you can count on to steadily and continually improve. Nonetheless, it’s a sign of desperation and impatience and portends some real ugliness to come. They’re obviously willing to go all-in on 2010 so you can pretty clearly imagine what they’ll be willing to give up for a couple of months of Cliffy on Seattle’s dime.
by mjh on Jul 1, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't it more of an issue of McCarthy going from historically clean bill of health to glass shoulder?
I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, The Bus That couldn't Slow Down.
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sorry but I respectfully disagree
we were getting a young controllable A+ arm in return for Danks, although Main isn’t Danks, this is WAYYYY worse then that deal.
by blueballlefty on Jul 1, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"The Danks deal was a matter of absolutely putrid talent evaluation."
Really? I mean, I guess it’s possible, but do you think it’s standard to be able to tell adding a pitch to someone’s repertoire will completely turn them around?
And do you think the Rangers should have known how fragile McCarthy is?
Really
The Rangers failed to realize that they had one of the four best starting LHP prospects in baseball. Danks had a strong track record of making the necessary adjustments to excel. There was no reason to think that he would do anything but succeed.
And yes, there were signs that something was wrong with McCarthy. He had lost his rotation spot. And he faded terribly late in that 2006 season, posting an 8.31 ERA over the final eight of his 53 appearances out of the White Sox bullpen.
by mjh on Jul 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He lost his rotation spot?
My recollection was the White Sox were coming off a WS victory and had 5 veteran starters who all made over 30 starts in 2006. McCarthy was a 21 or 22 year old who was too dominant to leave in AAA but too young to go into the rotation over 5 veterans
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I just vomited.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I realize our schedule was weak over the last month or so, but...
is this REALLY how bad of a situation we’re in??
I LOVE the idea of getting a vet catcher who knows how to call a good game. That being said, is Molina REALLY worth a prospect of Main’s caliber?? Is the win over replacement TODAY really worth the wins we’d be giving up by either waiting for Main to make the show or trading him for a player who would… oh, I don’t know… perhaps START on this team… good lord.
This really does make me worry about which prospects are being discussed in a trade for Cliff Lee. While he’s definitely an ace, he’s only under control for a few months and we’ll probably only get the Yankees first round draft pick for him next season. If JD is giving up Main in a trade for Molina, he HAS to be throwing around names like Perez, Feliz, Smoak, Davis, Beltre, etc in a trade for a 4 month rental.
This trade just opens the window and shows us EXACTLY the thought process behind the trades the Rangers are currently kicking around. So much for our great farm system. I didn’t realize we’d just be giving this farm away.
Talk about a kick in the stomach. ugh
Well, at least the sale process is going well…. oh wait…
I bet Molina is the starter now
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
be careful what you wish for
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
if true
that makes me wanna puke
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
FML
There has to be some explanation for this. I’m thinking the Giants have some incriminating naked pictures involving Jon Daniels and a herd of sheep.
Bengie Molina better start hitting
Or he is going to be some serious trouble when Rangers fans get their hands on him
Not Molina's fault
I blame JD. He is the one that better be careful when guys get their hands on HIM.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah yes. The true source
Although JD and others in the FO thought this move was necessary. Point is, it’s not Molina’s fault.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's on JD and Nolan
we didn’t need a goddamn backup catcher. Nobody needs a goddman backup catcher. We didnt’ need Einar Diaz and we don’t need a fucking Molina
by ab03 on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Hey, now... Let's not say things we can't take back.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
You have to remember...
they would never be in this situation if they had any damn money to work with. So stick with blaming Tom Hicks
wow 2 goshes? Mike E's all worked up on this one.
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
REC!
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
THE TRADE IS FULL OF UNBELIEVABLE SUCK, JUST GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Trade was DEFINITELY not worth it.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Not good
But with his injury history, I guess I can see it. That does seem steep, though…
by Droopydave on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Fuck you, Nolan.
I hope you do fucking dyings.
Fucking asshole.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, that's terrible
Terrible. And it makes me pray fervently that they are NOT adding prospects to any potential Seattle deal for Cliff Lee.
If that is the price for salary relief — a guy with a mid-rotation ceiling — than no thank you to a deal for Lee.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Actually
If Main = $2M, I’d say Beaven = $3M, and I’ll top off a package with Beave if it gets me Lee.
I would rather Beavan
been a part of this deal.
Truth be told, I would have rather no deal than to deal either for Molina.
What a fuck of a trade this is.
do you think main is better/has a higher ceiling that beaven?
i dont think I do.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
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by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
potentially
I think he’s better at striking batters out, and he’s got better pitches than Beavan.
I could go on and on, but they’re not that far apart probably. Main is the better of the two though.
Are we talking ceiling or likelihood of reaching it?
Because I don’t know anyone who agrees with you.
by BrentTaylor21 on Jul 1, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes me afraid of the level of prospects needed for lee
and for the mariners to pickup the salary
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
im not looking at it as dollars
its the fact that a prospect like main had to be used at all to get a fat lunk like molina I can only imagine what the mariners would want
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
they're going to want much anyway
it’s just a matter of closing the deal in regards to covering salary by offering up Main.
I doubt there is a single person out there that would have a problem with offering up Main or Beavan to get Lee’s salary paid for.
The problem with Lee is the rest of the package involved in getting a 2 month rental. Even an ‘ace’ 2 month rental, but paying with Main or Beavan or whatever to get his salary paid for is hardly the issue there.
I am against trades of any kind until the sale goes through.
I don’t want to hear the words “trade” or “trade deadline” or anything pertaining to any of that from this front office until the sale is squared away. We’re better off rolling the dice with what’s already here.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Weak
Fucking Bengie Molina? It wasn’t long ago some were talking about Maine as #3-#4 in the syystem.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
2010 Baseball America Ranks Main at #21...
I know a lot of people around here will say “fuck BA” etc. But, typically teams want someone with a shot at an MLB career. When the Indians got Kenny Lofton for 3 months we got a future MLB player.
That said, I am shocked that the 1st Round pick (Main, which many wanted to be Porcello) is now gone.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Main is gone because we couldn't afford Molina's contract.
We couldn’t afford 2 million. Just let that sink in.
Or...
Is it possible that the scouts don’t really like Main? After all, we could have lost some decent Bakersfield talent.
Re: Cash – When your favorite MLB team is bankrupt? The pain never ends! I can only imagine how frustrated I will be when Sept rolls around and the Yankees use Cliff Lee to beat us. Things like that will really suck.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Texas Rangers Scouts
They have a 2-plus year look at Main, they certainly know more about him than the SF Giants. I still trust this FO for so damn reason! Do I think they would trade a future #3 SP for Ben Molina? I do not.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
I remember people thinking the Angels FO knew more about Vlad
and that’s why they didn’t sign him. Well, that seemed to work out for them eh?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 1, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vlad is not Main...
Main is in the Dead Zone, facing those long odds that he can stay healthy and throw a baseball from a hill for 200 innings a year. Unfortunately, he seems fragile. I would not compare the reasoning to signing or not signing Vlad, I would compare him to McCarthy.
By the way, I understand the frustration. But, this will not change our 2010. Main’s heyday, if he has one, will be much later.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Yes it could hurt 2010.
We gave up a trade piece because we’re broke dipshits. We could’ve used that piece in a trade for a vastly more valuable player.
Being BROKE
always sucks! Right?
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
I think its a strong possibility
that Main just isn’t developing like people are hoping for and that his value wouldn’t be getting much higher. But still, why the hell is Benjie Molina the guy you choose to trade for?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Catchers
Not sure if you remember, but many people around here tried to find a catcher to trade for, and who to give up, etc. It was not easy. Very few seemed worth the cost or very few seemed like much of an upgrade.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
I'd rather have had
Pierzynski since it actually cost something.
I was OK with Molina when it was Ray, but Main is too much for a guy who can call a game and frame pitches, just because we really don’t have much in the organization who can.
Jim Sundberg needs to start earning his paycheck working with catcher development.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Michael Main
is very talented. But he missed his Junior year in high school because of a damaged rotator cuff, then he had a rib injury, then mono, he’s Brandon McCarthy. He has some talent though.
He’s 23 now right? In Single A?
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Sorry, he'll be 22 in 2010.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Didn't Main miss the end of last season
with a mystery injury last year?
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was the mono
he pitched for two months, was awful, and then missed most of the rest of the season. He did make four starts in last August/early September though.
Granted
he isn’t Martin Perez or anything, but Molina really can’t do much other than call a game at this stage of his career.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
what stock do you put
in the “framing pitches” studies?
I suppose
when your other catching options are as dubious as ours are, you do what you can to address your real future concern of developing pitchers.
I just wish we had started the year with a veteran catcher, and take one of our other catchers as a backup, because honestly our other catchers might be passable backups some day.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I'm very skeptical, as are the authors of the studies
that I’ve read ~ like the ones at BtB.
I think there are large data issues.
Not really
And he drops a lot of strikes. And his game-calling skills aren’t very good, unless you like seeing a lot of fastballs in a row.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Look, Giants fan, I appreciate you coming over
to post and all, but until you grasp the concept of sarcasm, maybe you should lurk awhile?
Whoa there
Sorry I don’t know you very well from here, but a lot of fans but stock into that sort of thing. I guess I should just keep lurking one of my favorite non-Giants SB Nation blogs.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
You could've read my posts above.
Sorry if I was rough on you, but as frustrating as this trade is, it’s not helped especially by reading downbeat reactions to sarcastic points.
Sorry man
And I do sympathize with you all (I went to school at Baylor, and I have a handful of Rangers fans friends) because it seems hard to enjoy winning right now (same boat as us kind of ).
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
This deal just makes my head swim.
I keep looking for another angle. I think Adam’s got an interesting take on it, but I’m still not convinced.
No one here is going to say "fuck BA."
And #21 in the Rangers organization is good.
And that’s basedo n Main’s down season last year. He’s got nearly a 5/1 K/BB this year.
People trust BA as a sound institution, but the relative fluctuations in player values is always up for debate. If Kasey Kiker is #6 and Main #21, you could easily debate what those numbers 6 and 21 really mean. Year in and year out, they are somewhat arbitrary because performances change.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
Michael Main
never threw more than 58 innings in a season. 2007, 2008, 2009.
"Do you understand probability theory? Yes, I do. The Rangers will probably lose."
and Main is healthy now
it doesn’t mean you throw a prospect away for barrel of lard.. Literally — A BARREL OF FUCKING LARD
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good grief.
What the hell is going on?
by Josh Garoon on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And here's some proof of what I was trying to say in the other thread.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I cannot simply trust JD that Molina behind the plate is worth this.
I can’t. I know I can’t prove he’s wrong, but I just cannot buy it without some sort of strong evidence.
If the Rangers’ team FIP/tRA/whatever doesn’t turn some meaningful corner going forward, or Main doesn’t completely fall apart, I’m going to be the most disappointed I’ve been by this FO in a while.
agree completely
Molina is just not worth this. Molina is worth Ray.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
YUp
Which is what I was saying in the other thread when I saw the list of names that could be maybe considered.
I dont mind giving up these B level guys but not just so the giants can eat part of molinas salary
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Adam, do you have a link for that?
Or was it on radio or something?
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It's on the front page of SBN Dallas.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
LoneStarDugout
Well, now that it’s out, I’ll say it — Michael Main is the PTBNL in the Molina deal.
by fds on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder
how long it took for SF to say yes to that deal. Like 2 milliseconds, inbetween laughs.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
I bet they said "yes" as the Coca-Cola was shooting out of their nose.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I bet they said yes before realizing that the mute button was on
and JD just added Main before they could un-mute it.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Screw it.
Just open up the bidding again. Let some rich asshole have this team. Fire JD, fire Nolan, and let’s move forward. There is nothing but bad news that continuously keeps coming out in terms of the Rangers.
/knee jerk
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
Gut Punch
d_a_cameron
Attn Mariners: Please trade Lee to Texas. Based on reported return for Molina, they will pay through the nose if M’s pick up his salary.
didn't take that long, did it.
I bet LL is blowing up right about now….
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Great
Now we can’t make fun of the Mariners or LL
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
At least I have chicken.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jul 1, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Recced Son.
My Guys: Gillies, Pacheco, Drabek, Verlander, Ozuna, A Salcedo, S Rodriguez, and others.
BriGay'd Fo Lyfe.
New Minor League Site Soon!
Fuck this.
We need to just sit tight from here on out. If we miss the playoffs we miss the playoffs.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
He is completely right though
The min. package would probably be Perez, Scheppers, Font, and Beltre. May have to throw in Ross, Erlin or Beavan as well.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Yeah, to hell with that.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Well is this deal is any indication
I think that is what we are looking at
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Oh I don't disagree with your estimation of cost.
And that’s why there should immediately be a cease and desist on all front office moves until the sale is finalized after hearing this little tidbit.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I 100% agree with you
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Come on
We overpaid for Molina, but let’s not get ridiculous.
Main is one arm among many in this organization, and probably wasn’t among the top 10 pitching prospects. Don’t let the post-2008 hype blind us to what he is now.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
So you dont believe
that since it looks like we are not able to add any salary that, considering the already high prospect cost of Lee, a package of Perez, Scheppers, Font, and Beltre is what it would take to get it done?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
that is insane
Nobody would pay that much
by thedudeabides on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
we are selling 'bottom of the barrel' low on Main right now
that’s a mistake
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't think its a sure thing his value gets much higher any time soon, but...
we just gave Main away so we could have Benjie Molina. That deal sucks.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I couldn't agree more
I don’t think this is that big a deal. Steep price, but that’s the cost of doing business.
there are ways of making sure he does
by blakethegr8 on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
no, no, no
just hit him in the knees with a length of heavy metal pipe
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Just set 8 of those KFC double down sandwiches in front of him. He can't turn it down and he'll have a heart attack.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
by AceJC on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn that's a great idea.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Save me a couple!
I hate Josey motherfucking Wales!
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
are we expecting
Molina to be starting this evening in Anaheim?
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, Nolan. I am going to come and burn the f**king BPiA down… but you will blow me first.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oh mel gibson
How relevant of you dirkatron
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Bascik
That was the reference? How does the SC based Dirkatriggles know about the Ticket?
What's the rumpus?
Denton boy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
this is perhaps
the funniest LSB post I’ve read
by thedudeabides on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
i can't believe this.
michael main for freaking bengie molina????
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
Callis:
Got several replies saying Main as PTBN for Molina is too much. That’s what happens if you want to save $ in the deal. See: Carlos Santana.
Great. Just great. The club just basically sold Michael Main. What I said about “panic mode” in that other thread? Maybe not such a big assumption. This is awful.
Yep.
Like I said, if this is how it’s going to be then they need to just sit on their hands. What a monumentally stupid trade.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Ok, well
they didn’t quite give up Carlos Santana. But this sucks.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Right
They sold Michael Main for about $2 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have loved for them to sell Michael Main for $2M
Without the caveat that we may that $2M to Benji Molina
No, less than that.
I’m guessing the Giants would’ve sold Molina for a savings of a million or so.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it.
We more likely just sold Michael Main for a million… or maybe even less.
We fucking suck.
I fuck hate us.
Fuck you, Nolan.
I hope you do fucking dyings in your fucking sleeps.
Fucking stupid ass redneck fucking hick bastard hillbilly fuck.
Fucking worst human being in the world.
Hope you never wake up.
Fucking piece of fucking shit.
Fuck you.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
oh my god
I am glad I no longer live in the same state as Tom Hicks, or I might be going to jail. FOR MURDER. OF HIS ASS.
too strong, his yard could use a few Ryin A droppings on it though.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Molotov Cocktails.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
heh, that thread reminds me of something from LSB
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
What's his address?
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
Maury Brown on ESPN Radio
Auction set for July 16
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
CJ better go AT LEAST 7 full innings tonight.....
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
As if our history hasn't been god awful as it is,
not we’re breaking it doen by the minutes.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Says that ultimately
If Jim Crane wins bid MLB can still decide to not approve it.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Slight backtrack:
Says that yes there is a minor chance that Lynn can approve the plan as is regardless of the CRO’s decision, but that he thinks it’s highly unlikely and that there will most likely be a 1 day bidding process on July 16.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
More:
Greenberg/Ryan Maury says could just put up the most money for the bid and then ultimately end this process
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how it's possible to set an auction date without the Judge being in the country.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Damn good point
That would certainly have to be in writing, and not by proxy, correct?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah
I’m surprised they are throwing out dates. Just the messenger of what Maury is saying on the radio
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
A fucking auction. Lmao
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care where it is or when.
I’m going to that auction.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
No shit JD...
if we could add salary why wouldn’t we add 2 mil rather than giving away Main.
This just sucks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
There will be a day that we all look back at this era
and get a few chuckles.
But right now I wanna scream in a fucking pillow. I don’t even know who I’m most angry at right now.
Brian Sabean just made Rangers fans bite that pillow.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Callis is justifying it with the Santana-Blake trade.
Um. That trade sucked. Comparing Jon Daniels to Ned Colletti is the stuff of my nightmares.
It's the same deal
Santana is better than Main but Blake is/was alot better than Molina.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Yup.
I have no idea what to think about this right now. Unless something else comes out about Main very soon ~ like a doctor just discovered his pitching arm’s got a 90 percent chance of falling off ~ then…
HE IS A REPLACEMENT LEVEL CATCHER
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
not even close on either count
think of a catcher in a wheelchair
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
I would assume that Treanor is going on the DL now
That is the only way that this makes any sense.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Max caught last night, bub.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Treanor
came in as def replacement, pal.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
for what? one inning?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You are certainly right, chief
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
don't be a smart ass Boss.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
watch who you're calling boss, friend
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Whatever you say, champ
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
you cavrons wanna dance?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
bailamos, puto
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
he caught one damn inning. Big deal.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
???
You don’t feel like catching one inning in an important game (and being the only catcher available in a non-blowout) seems to indicate that he’s not headed to the DL?
Really?
Is getting "bubbed" an ultimate slap to the face?
I’m thinking it at least a top 5.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
bub is by far worse than any of the others
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It was
2, but don’t let the facts get in the way.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I have to root for Main to not ever make it and for Bengie to be way awesomer than he's capable of being.
Thanks a lot, Hicks.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
And the no-name was supposed to be somebody like NeRa.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
I'm gonna call BS on that
This place has been going nuclear ever since it was even rumored who all was going to SF.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Ray or Molina wasn't that bad....
but when it came out it was Main, it really got bad, as it should because it is a lateral move and you gave a pretty good pitching prospect.
I'm starting to wonder if there's an injury that we're not privyed to.
Is Treanor 100%?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck that
Is it really that big of a deal to bring up Salty if it means you get to keep Main? I dont understand this at all. Bad medicine.
Salty's bat has gone DEAD COLD.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
True. But Molina can get the ball back to the mound.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Salty hasn't had that issue in a while.
Molina is probably better defensively, but Salty doesn’t cost us Main.
Meh
.250 with 9 HR’s isn’t that bad. Get your head out. His throws are no longer an issue.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE
you call him Salty? that is awerrrsome...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Um
we just put another catcher in front of Salty. He’s blocked for this year, certainly. Or were you talking long term?
Interesting post...
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I could have probably guessed.
I would have rather seen him back up here than this stupid trade though.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I've gotta say it pretty apparent your son
is not in the future here. I hate it, and hope he finds a home where he can be utilized once he gets back to 100%.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
He was given the job on a silver platter and worked his way out of the Rangers plans.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Yep
He’s never done a God Damn thing to earn it, that is for sure.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
by DJCahill on Jul 1, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe
If he actually had spent a few more years in the minors, he wouldn’t have screwed the pooch with the chances given him.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
and not playing
in the minors more was his fault? You have no idea how little you really know about what went on so stop acting like you do.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE
Gotta agree here.
Salty had no control over that. But I agree he definitely needed more time to develop. Fortunately he’s still young enough that he can spend a little more time down there if need be.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Really
dude?
Can’t you just let it go?
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 1, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say silver platter nor agree with it
But I do kind of. You don’t think the yips were real? He wasn’t really hitting that well.
I can see your thinking he was dicked around at one point but it looked to me like they wanted to give him the starting job this year but he couldn’t perform
I know ab
I have never seen anyone have to go through as an emotionally and physically exhausting time that he had to go through to beat this. And to think this all started with a rear end collision he and his family were involved in last year in Texas. Crazy.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE
Good to know.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
pops?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I was going to, but didn't wish to appear smarmy.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
heh, no i was asking if that was his ol' man...I'm not disrespectful.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yep, that's him.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Hey Mr. Salty!!
You getting together with your son for July 4th?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
ha...
Well, that’s horrific.
Maybe the Rangers think they’re selling high on Main.
What a terrible “we have no money” trade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
Is it really horrific? I don't know how anyone can say it is.
They have no idea what Molina will do, and have no idea what Main will do in the future.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Main keeps getting better with each start though.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the season in AAA.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean anything right now.
The fact that this website goes into fucktard mode when this happens is telling the website as whole puts too much faith in prospects who haven’t even stepped foot in the majors. I blame the rangers partly for that because we’ve had some bad luck with that, so everyone is probably a little paranoid. But I mean good god fucks we fucking have a shit load of prospects and if Molina helps us in anyway to get to the playoffs this year then this is worth it for me.
Are we going to be back in 3 years saying “Wow if only we had Main we’d be in the world series right now” No I highly doubt it.
Just see what happens instead of fucking panicking.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Bengie Molina?
You think he’s the key to the Rangers playoff hopes? Or even key enough to justify selling Michael Main to pay his salary?
Don't panick with what I said like what you're doing here.
Exaggerating people. I’m saying we don’t know what impact he will have, and we don’t know how Main will project to be. So yeah it may have been too high of a price, but it’s not worth acting like this over. Ridiculous.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I'm making a whole lot more sense than retards screaming "DIE TOM HICKS"
“OH FUCK NOLAN”
“OMG MAIN? WE’RE SCREWED!”
“FIRES DRY WEATHER AND FIRES”
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
They're making no sense with intentional exagerations that are not meant to make sense.
You, meanwhile, are actually trying to make sense.
God you're stupid...
when you lecture us on things like this.
Do you not realize how bad this trade is? Is that the problem? You know in the GDTs how people act to balls and strikes calls or when the team gives up a run? Well this is actually news worth being pissed about.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You are a dumbass bitch who should be castrated
because your genes are doing nothing but polluting the world and your missives are making all of us more angry and retarded.
Prospects have CURRENT value. CURRENT FUCKING VALUE. We just lost CURRENT FUCKING VALUE. You know, the type of value that you use to make BIGGER TRADES?
Send me what you have in your bank account. Your dumbass could never turn it into anything valuable so you might as well give it to me. Why complain about money? It has no value. It will probably amount to nothing
Hm.....
Exaggerating. That’s like scary exaggerating like I need to hide my IP address Exaggerate on things.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I will hate you for the rest of my life
You are willful ignorance. You’re like the fucking pig. You are goddamn happy ignorant stupid fucking pig. Like that’s what you chose. We will always be at odds
by ab03 on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Shut the fuck up you stupid fuck.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 2, 2010 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't express the degree to which this needs to go fucking green.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
I"m going to help on this.
I’m shooting for the moon with io’s optimism. I’m going to say the Rangers make the playoffs. Now, we’re in the playoffs and who do you want catching our young, nervous pitchers?
Treanor? Mr. Minor Leaguer?
Max? The Rookie?
or Bengie Molina?
I would love to see Molina out there behind the plate for the Rangers when we are playing the MFYankees in the ALCS. Is it worth a guy who has a 3/4 starter ceiling? I think it’s a good gamble. It is what it is. A gamble. It’s one with the assumption that the Rangers are going to rake going forward and make a very good run for the WS.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yes.
I hate how everytime I make a response to you, I get that back.
I must be doing something wrong.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I haven't been paying attention ~ every time, really?
I don’t think it’s a good gamble to trade Main, however depressed his value (in fact, in some respects because of the depressed value) in order for Bengie Molina to calm the nerves of Colby Lewis, C.J. Wilson, Tommy Hunter, Darren Oliver, Darren O’Day, Frankie Francisco, and Neftali “Perez” Feliz.
I don’t see any reason to assume that’s even operative.
Most of the time. I don't respond that often with you, since I don't like entering discussions I'm not familiar on the subject.
I think he is a marginal upgrade over Treanor and Max. He can hit lefties, Treanor cannot. Molina doesn’t K very often (also doesn’t walk much). Yes he’s slow. But most catcher are.
Main was traded for 2 million. I don’t think there is anything more exchanged outside of Ray if the Rangers could afford Bengie’s salary.
And I do think that he can use the second half of the year to help the staff and give a positive influence on the team in the playoffs.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah, we just disagree.
I don’t think that Molina’s marginal advantages, even in the playoffs, justify seeling Main for the $1.5 million (thanks, BuckyB) needed to pay his salary.
And I’m not even that high on Main. I just don’t see it, even admitting that we don’t know how to estimate Molina’s value as a staff-handler and pitch-framer relative to Treanor and Ramirez.
Gamble??
Just traded away a high ceiling pitching prospect to a pitcher friendly team and is already loaded with pitchers. and to top it off, Molina is only here for 3 months.
Look, I'm just throwing out antoher side of the trade.
I’m not sure how well I like this deal, to be honest. I don’t know very much about Main, so I can’t really comment too strongly about it. But I do know that I feel much better having Molina on this team in the playoffs then Treanor or Max.
He K’s less, as experience, and can call a game. He can possibly be a hidden asset in those things.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah the "him being for playoff run to help young pitchers"
is the only thing I like about this trade. I do not think he is an upgrade offensively unless he really takes a liking to RBiA.
The ones they potentially call up....
but none that are there now. All of their staff now and bullpen are pretty seasoned with the exception of Beltre and Ogando, but there is no guaraantee Beltre is still up come October.
And if you're putting Ogando into the game,
unless he comes a long way in the next few months, then something’s probably gone wrong in the game, no?
Yeah I agree....
guess it should have been “inexperienced” because we have none in the playoffs. I don’t like the trade at all, even more so with Main now involved, but was just trying to find some positive out of it and guess what value Molina had to the ballclub in JD and Nolan’s eyes.
Let's use "young" and "inexperienced in the playoffs" interchangably.
At least, that’s what I"m doing. CJ could use it. Our CLOSER, Feliz could use it. Harrison. Ogando. Pretty much the entire bullpen minus Oliver and possibly FX2. Plus the call ups.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Harrison's in AAA, and if he pitches: uh-oh.
Ogando: maybe, though see above. Bullpen: You think O’Day would need his nerves calmed? Can’t agree about Feliz or Wilson, either.
I honestly don’t think that Molina is going to be able to calm these guys’ in-game nerves if they’re that out of sorts, and I don’t really think they’ll be that out of sorts to begin with.
I think th entire pitching staff would rather have Molina catching them instead of Max/Treanor.
I think you’re focusing too much on the “nerves” part. It’s not going to be just that. Molina would be a better catcher in the playoffs, especially in regards to the pitchers. That’s what I’m trying to paint with my words here.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I agree. The question is, how much better?
I don’t think he’s Michael Main-better, and I definitely don’t think he’s Chris-Ray-plus-Main better, and since the money earned by selling Main is sunk into Molina’s salary… well, unless Daniels pulls a rabbit out of his hat that’s somehow linked to this trade, somehow, I just don’t see it.
I understand the hesitation and not being able to see it.
It’s going to be tough to swallow. But like all prospect/trades, they are gambles. This one is a big one. But I certainly don’t hav e to tell you anything about that. You understand it probably better than I do.
But I’m not forcasting all doom and gloom like others. I’m hoping for Main to never get above AAA and Molina to be squeezing the last pitch of a winning Rangers playoff series.
I would feel better if I knew the Rangers scouts were heard from on this trade. If they signed off on it, I believe it wasn’t THAT bad of a trade. They’ve had two years + to see Main.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah.
And I don’t think I understand it better than anyone ~ hell, I’ve only seen video of Main, and read the reports, and heard from a couple people I trust know more about me than this sort of stuff.
Thing is, I can’t root against Main to never pitch above AAA, just like I couldn’t root against John Danks. Just not in me to root against the kids like that over a mistake the front-office made.
I just hope Molina really does what you’re saying he might…
Heh, I guess I'm conceeding that you know more on this.
And you’re right, I’m sure I will root harder for Molina doing what I want then Main not doing well.
We’ll see in Oct…
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Ack ~ that came off wrong.
I sincerely meant that I don’t really feel like I know that much about Main ~ just what I’ve picked up here and there. And that ain’t much.
I do seem to have bad communication karma in response to your posts. Sorry, dude.
No worries. For some reason, whenever I respond to you or Robbie,
I get the equivelant of a blank stare of a response from ya’ll. I’m pretty sure it is my lack of ability to use voice inflection in my posts. I’m much easier to understand in person.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He's right you guys!
Ship Perez off to Cleveland for Carmona, he can help this year!
Ship Scheppers off to Baltimore for Wigginton, he can help this year!
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Is it?
That’s pretty much your take on the situation.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously this is good sarcasm, but I ask this -
and I’m asking this, because honestly I don’t know.
Where was Main on our list of prospects? Top 10? Top 5? Top 3?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably top 15 before the year started.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
can't you say that for all teams though?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
By definition, no you can't.
Because if you could, then top 15 for all clubs would be top 15 for all clubs.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
No one is panicking....
Benji Molina isn’t a good baseball player and Michael Main isn’t a guy you just trade for Benji Molina.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I’d rather take my chances with the kid than some rickety old backup catcher who can’t hit, run, or do just about anything except be good in the clubhouse and with the pitchers (which who knows how much that matters)
Yes. I’m frustrated by that. Sue me.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
let’s throw perceived value out the window. I’m willing trade Perez for Mike Sweeney because “we have no idea what he’ll do.”
You are missing the point entirely...
Michael Main has value…Bengie Molina is not someone they should be wasting that value on when we have capable catching options available…
Put down your pom poms for 10 minutes iorange,
this trade is absoluetly terrible.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you even...
looked at what Molina has done this year?
Michael Main could never play above A-Ball and this trade is still bad.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know what impact he will have
and we don’t know what impact Main will have in the majors, so I’m choosing not to act like a 1st grader who got his juice stolen.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
You could literally
justify any trade with this reasoning.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Just be sure...
to let us know which trades we can be upset about and which ones we should watch out about “acting like animals.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He will and
iorange somehow is the most rational person on this board when it comes to this stuff.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll tell you why...
apparently he doesn’t know anything about baseball or baseball trades.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
You don’t know what players are ever going to do. So, therefor, every trade is defensible because you don’t know.
WHO SAYS WE KNOW?!
Just because you’re incapable of understanding reasonable expectations and relative value doesn’t mean everyone else is.
I'm saying why get into the worst mood known to man
When you don’t know?
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
God damn it
what don’t you get about expected value. You would fucking suck at insurance buying and selling insurance contracts. Or any contracts. Or managing anything that had to do with money
Eh you choose my attitude as clueless
And not knowing or understanding anything. When it’s different than that. But you’re pissed off so it’s okay.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
No, you are willfully clueless
you choose not to understand anything about the present day value of a prospect. You refuse to accept they have any value outside of their eventual success
I never said I didn't.
This is just a classic case of “orange posted it” you’re just taking what I said and exaggerating it because you’re pissed off. It’s fine. I don’t really care if you think I’m a pig, or not. I do think you need to handle your anger better but that’s for a different day, big guy.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I don't think I am.
I understand that. I understand it wasn’t an ideal trade and its not exactly good we had to trade him just because of our money situation. But we also don’t know just how much Molina will help come down the stretch. We dont know what other moves we’ll make. So why choose to act like this is the worst thing ever and overreact?
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
we have a pretty good fucking idea what molina will do
why choose to act any other way? I’m not a dumbass. I can predict bad things with fair certainty by looking at strong indicators.
whatever. You’re either 19 and stupid or an adult and stupid or a kid and stupid. I don’t need to talk to you.
It boggles my fucking mind that a non-BigSteve individual could actually be this fucking stupid.
The fuck is wrong with you?
Fucking ass shit, man.
You are a fucking dumb person.
I don’t get it.
It doesn’t make sense to me.
How the fuck do you exist?
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
Are you serious?
Fine. No one ever talk about anything on the Lone Star Ball Texas Rangers website. We don’t know what will happen. Let’s all reconvene in six months and we’ll talk about this trade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
After the season is over, we'll talk about what happened.
Make sure not to try to project anything for 2011 or talk about potential, though, because you just never know.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
I'm saying why act like a lunatic about it?
Talking about it rationally is one thing. This thread is anything but that though.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
You have to be joking....
There’s no other explanation for your actions in this thread.
There is no rational way of talking about this trade because it isn’t a rational trade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're just giving your opinion...
while comparing us to first graders and making fake exaggerated quotes that you’re attributing to us.
Turn-about, friend.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of you are acting like first graders that know a lot of curse words.
Only my last quote was exaggerated.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
By acting like a bunch of animals in this thread.
Like I said though act how you want to act. No one is stopping you.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Thanks...
for your permission, Principle Orange.
We’ll get back to the baseball talk while you’re thinking about how good Benji Molina is.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You're welcome first grader Erik.
Continue in your “fuck the world class” and your mom will be here to pick you up in a bit, or in a few days if she’s smart.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Can you read me a bedtime story...
about the great Benji Molina trade of 2010?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I did...
now, tell me about Bengie Molina.
He’s awesome, huh?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it's in the making
But it starts out with being rolled out onto the field in a wheelchair with a standing ovation. Which is ironic cause he’s not standing himself. Then he talks to our young pitcher who is nervous pitching in front of 50,000 people in his first playoff game and Bengi guides him likie a gentle bear to his first playoff win.
The crowd cheers and Bengi stands up, but only for a second cause he can’t get any air, but he manages to say “I need some food”
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Not a gentle bear.
A gentle Bunny. His nickname is the BIg Bunny.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Michael...
Main in turn is happy he’ll get to tell his grand kids about the time he was traded for Bengie Molina.
I think I see your side of the deal now.
Thanks!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just sad
that all of our former supposed catching depth crapped out to the point where the Rangers think giving up a pitching prospect so we can get a guy who can’t hit to call a game makes sense.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Yeah...
that’s just kind of it, isn’t?
It’s a sad trade from every aspect.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
ban him
just do it for 48 hours. he’s intolerable right now and he’s never been good for a damn thing
You won't be banned...
This thread, if nothing else, should stand as a monument to you.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL. Goet, I'm really shocked you volleyed with him for so long.
(I really don’t think I spelled volleyed correctly)
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Me and goET ping pong.
Volleyed is too strong of word since there is not a lot of hate in our ping ponging. We’re just aggressively slamming little balls back and forth.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I never said you two were doing pears on each other.
I was just surprised at how long you guys were bouncing your teabags back and forth
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I was distracting...
him for the greater good.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
*Principal
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Channeling your inner-Rangers100 today.
This is a good day for you.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
you wanna fight?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Does the first grader whose juice is stolen and replace with a cup of fetid piss not have the right to feel agrieved?
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
but the piss might taste good and the juice might sour
does that not make it better? why are you complaining?
by ab03 on Jul 1, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Main is no longer the prospect he once was
He is probably second-third tier in the system now, but the uproar is not just for losing Main, it’s for the doubt that it cast on the decision-making abilities of the front office.
+1
I am more afraid of the future now than I was an hour ago.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
main is a good prospect
he isn’t an elite one though. people are just pissed that we gave up anything of substance for a molina brother
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd give up something of substance for a Molina brother.
But only one of them. And that is not this one.
Right
It’s what we lost Main for.
We fully realize there is a very good chance to never play in the Bigs. However, if he has a ceiling as a #2/3 SP, you don’t fucking trade him for a moderate AT BEST upgrade at C for half a season
that chance comes with every minor leaguer
and like you said, you don’t trade these type of prospect with higher ceilings for a couple months of a dried up veteran. stupid move if true
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
OF
I don’t hate this trade as much as some, and I liked Main more than most. Even if he blows it as a pitcher, a bunch of teams liked him better as an OF prospect when he was drafted.. I don’t blame JD for this trade, just Hicks. I just hate Tom Hicks. I am going to build a paper mache Tom Hicks, stick firecrackers in his ass and burn him in effigy for the 4th
by thedudeabides on Jul 2, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
2009 coming back to haunt us yet again....
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
When we give away games
Because of laziness.
Tom Hicks letting the franchise get this bad.
When we walk people with the bases loaded, or walk someone to get the bases loaded.
Most of the time I get mad it’s in game situations, and I have a short memory so I don’t remember a lot of them now.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Assuming this report is true...
And i’m hoping to bloody hell this is one of those too quick to the twitter reports.
Why was Main a PTBNL?? Why not come out and say it when it was reported?
they were probably choosing between a couple of prospects
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that happens
But he hasn’t pitched between the trade reports and now. Soo…did they want a few extra days to look at video or something?
Just seems weird.
well who the hell were the other ones
Erlin and Ross?
by blueballlefty on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously....
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That's it. Today has been too much.
I’m taking the family, boarding up the house and moving into the mountains, stocking up on ammo.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
we should caravan
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I read the last part as...
…“stocking up on anime”. I LOL’d.
He's not a regular bum, he's a genius bum
Suddenly
The Hunsicker thing isn’t so terrifying.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Screw it...
I want the sale to fall through too.
I don’t want Nolan to be involved with this team anymore than he already is.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Greenburg/Ryan
I think people forget that Greenburg/Ryan are a small part of the (potential) new ownership group. Ryan is respected and wields real power, but the bulk of the $ comes from two executives from the energy industry. A former pitcher/steak salesman and a lawyer (not Joe Jamail) don’t have the scratch to buy a MLB franchise.
by thedudeabides on Jul 2, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares who the money people are.
Greenberg/Ryan are going to be the ones running the show.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
all you have to do
is say earmuffs.. then you can say whatever you want.. cock.. balls
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Im going crazy
is Molina with the team and ready to play? or does he have to fly to arlington pass a physical and he’ll be ready friday night?
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions
sorry for the OT:
but I’m in a real crunch, and after reading this I have no desire to think about baseball anyways, but does anybody know a good site to get a free liability release form?
You try google?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Molina better come here and shit gold and rainbows
all over the field.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Breaking news,
Jon Daniels hasn’t been in the office all week, meet our new acting GM
by blakethegr8 on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
does this mean the rest of the FO is Lords of the Underworld?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Hicks must die
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
great episode.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this means
we’re working on trying to move Salty, and we could get something equivalent since he’s younger and still has potential.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
DRAFT
RAPES
MOLINA
POISON
DIE
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
Based on this, the package for Lee would be what?
Andrus, Perez, Smoak, Scheppers and then throw in the entire AZRL team and the city of Allen to make it financially neutral?
by LiamP on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ogando too
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
And the clubhouse jacuzzi
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Don't forget Jurickson as the PTBNL
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
should I show my work?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Or maybe
now we can include Salty in a deal which SEA might like so they have someone to challenge Moore for the starting job.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Just promoted, hasn't played yet
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Hicks
This certainly cant be blamed on Tom Hicks because I thought he made it pretty clear that we would not be trading a first round pitcher again.
//sarcasm
This trade is dumb.
If Jon Daniels is repsonsible for this
maybe he isn’t the guy to manage all of these good assets he and his people have accrued.
Nolan has given him way too much control for his own good.
Christ almighty, just awful.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Josey ticks me off usually
But this would be a little ammo for him
some GMs seem to do a great job of accumulating potential…others putting together the final touches.
This seems like a trade that Michael Young called JD and told him do what he needed to do…but we didn’t need a trade for the sake of a trade.
This is a trade for the sake of a trade
I'm sure Josey is sitting there watching this thread laughing at us as we speak.
Oh I can’t wait to hear his thoughts on this one…
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I thought it was thick enough.
But there’s only so much you can get across as far as a sarcastic tone through text on a message board. Hell yes it was sarcasm.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
With good reason.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
As about 99% of all Josey directed posts,
i’m sure you’ll never have to ask if it’s sarcasm again…of course it is.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait to see Josey's post talking about how JD is under the
Umbrella of Protection held by the Dewey Decimal Crowd*, etc, etc, etc, that completely ignores all the criticism pretty much all those people are leveling toward this trade.
*How can he type hitting shift every other word like this? It gets annoying!
If this was his idea I want him fired.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I dont know about that however
it certainly does lose him a lot of the “cred” he has built up over the past couple of year.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Kind of what I was thinking
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
They could have called up Salty and probably gotten the same amount of production Molina will give.
So incredibly stupid.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
And Molina...
you’re telling me that Michael Main could not bring a better catcher than Molina?
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. George Will
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Some stupid shit at work here to be sure, unless there is something we don't know
and if that is the case, it better be something really, really good
Indeed...
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. George Will
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
he brought/bought Molina's salary
Under normal circumstances, this deal wouldn’t have happened.
OK. Here's a thought:
One way this works ~ and I’m not saying I love it, but just maybe: if by doing this the Rangers can now afford to trade for Lee, and cover his salary, and thus avoid giving up still-better prospects to the Mariners.
Yeah
We also set the market for that trade and priced it out of anything that is doable.
So no, it doesn’t work. Even if Main was going to injure his arm again, we still sold too high. His value around the league was clearly pretty high
disagree
the market sets itself. Seattle can’t say “we want more based on what you gave the giants.” The only thing to say is “we are being offered more from team X and Y so you have to up your offer.” If the rangers make the best offer, they get Lee, if not, they don’t. It is a Cliff Lee auction, plain and simple and high-bidder takes the prize.
If I pay a million for a painting of dogs playing poker and then am the high bidder with a million dollar offer for a picasso print , they aren’t going to sell it to a lower bidder just because I overpaid for crap before.
by thedudeabides on Jul 2, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
no he's saying we had some room in the budget to add like 2-3 million
and since the molina deal is a wash financially, maybe we can add the 2-3 million in the Lee deal without having to give up major prospects to cover the costs
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont know
im not in favor of this deal either
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Insurance is supposed to help damnit
Arias is not Kinsler insurance.
Molina is not catcher insurance.
I agree
I think this trade enables us to do another deal. I don’t get why people think this was an isolated move. How about waiting for more than 2 seconds to see what happens next before judging the move?
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We got some cash back
so we can afford to add another player in a trade.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Its been said we had some wiggle room to add salary thru trade
We didn’t add any here by giving up Main and getting SF to pay Molinas salary so that would make it sound like we still have some room to add salary. The speculation is its around 2 million.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Gotcha
read the original comment wrong which subsequently led me to reading the rest of the comments wrong based on my interpretation of everything.
I thought he originally said we didn’t have room to trade for Lee
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That would only make sense if the Rangers got extra cash from this.
The way that this is being reported, that’s not happening.
by LiamP on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2mil according to Cot's.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
2 mil in addition to the remainder of Molina's salary?
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. George Will
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been trying to think through how this would work, and can't make it.
So: never mind. At least for now.
It works
Yesterday we had ~2 million remaining budgeted for player additions thru trade.
We made the trade with SF and by adding Main got SF to pay the difference in salary between Ray and Molina.
So we still have that ~2 million remaining to add a player which makes us still able to be in on Cliff Lee
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
this makes me fucking sick
i can’t believe this is true. it’s like waking up into a nightmare
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Wow.
This move entirely contradicts the entire plan of stocking the system and not overpaying for talent. If you can call Molina talent. I call him a rotting corpse of a backstop. A couple years ago Main was a beast. He had an infection last year. Shit happens. But he didn’t blow out a shoulder or an elbow. And we just threw him in as a player to be named later for a guy who has no business being on a postseason roster. Tom Hicks, you greedy son-of-a-bitch, you have managed to leverage this situation to your own benefit, yet again.
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
michael_mains_rotator_cuff
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
well, i guess if u want to look on brightside
we could get 2 first round picks for Molina.
So, we just bought ourselves 2 1sts for a 2nd maybe 3rd tier pitching prospect?
USA
because he's done it once already. hasn't he?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
WE WON'T GET 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR MOLINA.
We would have to offer him arb, he would have to decline, and then some team would have to sign him knowing they could give up a first-round pick for it.
Those three things are not occurring.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Offering molina arbitration might be as bad or worse than the trade itself
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
we aren't going to even offer arbitration
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
What makes you think he would decline arb?
He would smile and accept immediately without even thinking twice.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
He will accept arbi-fucking-tration.
Nobody is going to give 2 1s for the Sack of Shit.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this can all be summed up rather easily
I dont believe that anyone has a problem trading Ray for Molina. Adding Main is what rightfully is increasing the outrage. It is all about the price. Trading moratorium needs to start now.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Cowlishaw is a fucking mongoloid.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Giants fans are excited that Sabean was actually able to swindle someone.
I’m willing to bet 90% of the emotion shown here is due to how embarrassing this is.
A quote from MJH is relevant here:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Sad, sad way for Main to exit the organization.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
two years from now or sooner
if we’re seeing Cain, Lincecum, and Main raising the trophy, we will remember this day.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions
The only thing that would ease the pain of watching that is
watching Elvis, Josh and Vlad raise the WS trophy this year…
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. George Will
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You people all need to CALM DOWN
Basically, it was 2 million for Main.
And what does 2 million get you in Latin America? Hint: 1.55 million for Jurickson Profar.
We identified backup catcher as a problem. And we traded the 15th best starting pitcher in the org to fill that need. Why is that a problem?
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
die
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because...
that’s an awful use of trade value.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem?
Bengie fucking Molina is the return.
That’s the fucking problem.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No, 2 million is the return
Ray = Molina
Main = 2 million.
Blame Hicks for the 2nd part.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
by Oddibee on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn't mean we will have 2 more million to spend in LA.
It’s used to pay Bengie fucking Molina.
Yeah.
I mean, it is understood we’re not getting $2m in cash that we’re free to invest in something of value, right?
We’re getting $2m to pay that broke down sack of useless shit named Molina.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I think the question is
is Molina defensively better than Max or Salty? And the answer is yes.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
no it's most certainly NOT....FUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKK
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
thank you!!
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
No, it wasn't.
SanFran isn’t going to write a $2 million check that JD gets to throw into his “Party in Central America” fund and save for later. They are paying the salary of a player who will play for us.
This saves us the money we would have otherwise had to pay Molina, but guess what else would have saved that money?
NOT TRADING FOR BENGIE FUCKING MOLINA!
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
we didn't just trade Main
we traded Ray AND Main for dried up ass
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That's what I was just about to write
I would have sold Main for $2 million, and then signed some kid in Latin America with the money, in a heartbeat.
You can argue about Molina, but getting $2 million for Main isn’t a bad deal.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So basically it is me, you and iorange
on the same side here. Hmm…. ;-)
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
You think we have money to spend for LA signings??
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Welcome to the Angrydome.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aqua on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
It may be cramped,
but I’ve somehow managed two pillows in the Angrydome.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Planes, Trains and Automobiles....
very good call sir…
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's still more valuable than Molina
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
So who thought when Newberg had Main at #1 (above Feliz and Scheppers)
That we were 2 years away from trading him for Benji Molinda
not number 1 pitching prospect
number 1 pitching BREAKOUT prospect.
He expected him to come out and have a terrific year which would create his stock to soar
Newberg snippet from latest email
Main (number one on my pitching breakout list last year, and number two on my list this year, behind Tanner Scheppers) came into the season with a career mark of 9-10, 4.39 in 37 starts and two relief appearances. While he’s not on the top tier of the Rangers’ pitching prospects, he is a prospect, seemingly fully healthy for the first time as a pro, and common sense would dictate that his inclusion was agreed upon only because San Francisco is adding cash to the trade so that it doesn’t impact the Rangers’ 2010 payroll.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
so....
by reading this, one could guesstimate that everyone on the farm is tradeable?
That last sentence would suggest so.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I never ranked Main higher than Feliz or Scheppers.
There are more than 10 pitchers I’d rank higher than Main in the TX system right now.
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 1, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad, I know he's ranked low right now
But, for some reason a few years ago, I thought I remember Main being put at #1 by you mjh, or someone of the sort
Haha, no way
Prospect rankings are awesome, I love the ballsy choice. If he hadn’t gotten hurt, who knows what could have happened.
You mean you guys didn’t forsee mono?!
I wasn't a part of the site at that point, so I can't take any credit for it ~
but, you know, I’m sticking up for us here anyhow, in case anyone wants to have a go.
parks
I believe J. Parks had Main as #1.
newberg had main at #4 overall in the 2009 bound edition
behind holland, feliz and smoak
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I AM SO SICK NOW!!!!
i need to throw up, this is more embarassing than the Mavs winning 13 games or whatever
Are you on the right thread?
What does this have to do with a Mavs winning streak?
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck you
I’m saying as a life long fan of this damn organization this is freaking embarassing, go sit on a hammer
by blueballlefty on Jul 1, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Go sit on hammer?
You’re better than that. You’re a fucking idiot, but better than that nonetheless.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, sorry guys
Molina isn’t really a good defensive catcher anymore, and he’s slow as a glacier, but it your park, maybe he hits some dingers?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
die die die
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
none of us are happy about this man
Congrats Sabean won this one.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
That doesn't make it any better in my book,
he needs to stay on his own turf…
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need your pity.
We are well aware that we just got the shit fleeced out of us. You don’t need to come and rub it in.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I really, really, really, really,
want to know what JD has to say about this
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
325 comments in 35 minutes
I believe this touched a nerve.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
No doubt.
This IS embarrassing. No bankruptcy, no need for them to take on his salary, no extra player thrown in. We would have signed Pudge again. We’d be in way better position at catcher. But we have no money. So we have to give away prospects so we don’t go over budget.
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
we didn't need to do this trade
NOTHING IS BETTER THAN THIS TRADE.
Why do we need to do this? What about this team winning constantly made the Rangers think we needed to upgrade backup fucking catcher?
I think there will certainly be more trades coming
If you still have money left on the payroll, you don’t structure a deal in such a way to overpay for salary relief for a very modest upgrade. Furthermore, you don’t make this kind of trade so early in the trading season without a reason- since the Rangers should have a leverage in a deal like this (I don’t think people are lining for for Molina). This is a deal that people do closer to the deadline. You make a deal like this to go with other deals to push your club over the edge, whatever that may mean. So I expect to see for trades: hopefully we don’t overpay in those.
I think this may be correct
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I fear what those trades will be now
C’mon judge, postpone this bankruptcy till after the deadline!!!
I'm getting to that point as well...
just stop before we get peared so hard we have nothing left in the tank.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right too.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
You don’t overpay for a backup/platoon catcher as your only move. This seems like a clear signal that the Rangers are about to push some significant chips into the middle.
But, at this point, isn’t that a terrifying proposition?
Maybe one of those
chips, albeit with not tremendous value, is Salty who has appeal because he’s still young and has potential.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
But why do this deal at all?
Nothing tells me why you need to do this deal at all when you at best you are getting better at a backup position
The deal is incremental improvement
plus some possible intangible improvement. I doubt the club would consider him a backup – more likely a even split with Treanor. I guess they are trying to be buy some “comfort” in a known quantity, so they won’t face a possibility of Treanor getting hurt, plus some veteraness or leadership which may or may not be helpful come playoffs. That said, it’s an incremental upgrade, team don’t make incremental upgrades unless they think they are close to something (like a playoffs run), and I don’t think the Rangers think they are at that level without a couple of other pieces. The problem that I have is the timing – why now? Why not shop around or wait a little bit – Molina is no Penelope, they should be able to afford to sightsee a bit on Circe’s Magical Island. It almost seem like they wanted to grab Molina before anybody else had a chance at him.
Another possibility is that this frees up Max, for a possible trade for a Mike Lowell or something.
Again, this is all conjecture, I won’t cry if you disagree.
Actually, I take it back
I don’t think the club views it as just an incremental improvement.
If this trade is made for Molina, What would they trade to get Cliff Lee for a 3 month rental?
Half the farm system?
and the other half plus Hunter for Oswalt
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Slippery slope argument
Look it up.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 1, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I know there are some jokes
But surely if they did we’d probably have to say goodbye to Scheppers and Perez in one deal. That’s sad, but based on the value of the guy they traded for and the player they sent back to get him, I’d have to think that’s where we are heading if Cliff Lee ends up here.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the point. We overpaid. Badly.
When’s the last time J.D. did that? I’m thinking Adam Eaton.
When other GMs see this, they see a guy who is DESPERATE.
And Desperation + The Trade Deadline = Bye Bye Farm System
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
I just don't get the sense of urgency to do this trade now
That is what is confusing to me the most.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Treanor's defense is better too
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
this is what I'm thinking
how many wins do we gain because we added Molina vs. losing Ray and Main. I doubt we even add 1 win. We’ll see. Maybe he’ll have new life, but damn…wtf is this trash of a trade.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Can't research any more - depressed
I’m saying Treanor is better, just that we’ll be lucky to gain one win from Benjie
oh well, it happend
i’m not going to worry about it too much…seems k inda like the tim alderson thing, everyone else had him way overrated …
Main is prolly going to be a good reliever down the road, if that…
move on. i suppose.
USA
You're probably right...
What upsets me the most isn’t that it’s Main, it’s that it’s Main for Molina and the precedence that sets for future prospects for cash trades.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it sets a bad precedence for cash trade
If M’s asked you to throw 2 Mains on top to complete the deal for Lee, wouldn’t you do it in a heart beat?
Not if it's...
on top of Perez, Ogando, and Davis.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want the Rangers...
to just throw on prospects for the heck of it in any trade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, not for the heck of it
Group A = who it takes to trade Lee (without salary implications)
Group B = $3M
Going to take A and B to get Lee. I’m saying if A is a favorable package, and B consists of 2 Main-types, Group B is not going to stop me from making the trade.
This is beside the point though, fuck this trade, I have no interest in Bengie Molina
just think of it this way
imagine what we can get for Teagarden and Salty now!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 1, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
PS, just to worsen everyone's mood
We did NOT trade Main for $2M
We are still paying Ray’s salary, so we traded him for roughly $1.5M
if we hurry,
we can trade Perez for Gary Matthew, Jr., and pay salary on both…..
"The army could throw Neftali Feliz at the Iraqis, and win the war, because he is the bomb!" -Anonymous Turd.
Why are we paying Ray's salary?
Did I miss that? The Giants are on the hook for the rest of his salary right?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
We pay Ray
They pay Molina. The net difference is 2 Mil. This way the the trade doesn’t alter the budget.
We should have traded Main for 1.763M last summer
and fucking signed Matt Purke
by BuckyB on Jul 1, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we better win every game for the next fucking week
and Molina better hit 3 HRs in that time frame
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I almost feel bad for Molina.
Talk about a no-win situation.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Fuck that,
he needs to lose 6 years and 30 pounds by the time he puts on a Rangers uniform and he’ll be just fine..
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd make him run to Arlington.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 1, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is something i had not thought of, he has played in the pussy weather of
San Fran for a few years, at his age and weight could he even handle playing in Texas this time of year, they may have to give him road games on the west coast only, man this deal just gets worse
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
This has been a bad day all around,
our team needs to win tonight, hands down.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Understatement of the century.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Handcuffed
Aren’t we overreacting a little here? Obviously the organization decided they needed another veteran catcher on the roster, so they got one. Because of Fuckwad Hicks, JD was handcuffed. Yes, he probably could have gotten Molina without Main, but that would have put a serious strain on the already approved budget to add another piece for the run. If you want to blame someone, blame HICKS.
It’s our nature to overvalue our own prospects and that might just be the case here. Nice prospect, but there are better pitchers ahead of him. Chill the fuck out!
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
It depends on the catcher.
Molina simply isn’t a big enough upgrade over what we currently have to justify it imo.
I'm not speaking of one in particular
Just that there probably is a catcher out there that this trade would’ve been worth making for. Molina isn’t that catcher.
Yeah NOW
But they might in 2 months when Treanor is overexposed or worn out. He hasn’t been through the rigors of being a full-time catcher for a full season. AND people within the organization, who have first-hand knowledge of Max’s limitations felt like they couldn’t trust him. I’ll take that assessment over armchair scouts any day…myself included
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
This is absolutely correct
but I still hate the deal.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
"Yes, he probably could have gotten Molina without Main..."
Then don’t do it. Period.
I’m not sure the Rangers even need Molina that much and to give up Main, whether the Rangers aren’t as high on him as we the fans are, isn’t good.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
that was a budget move with hopes to add another piece
straight up
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
Sorry to inject some common sense
My mistake!
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
By not eating up the already approved budget to add another player
AND we got rid of the possibility of Wash using Ray in situations he shouldn’t be in
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
So this deal helps facilitate another move by not eating into the budget we already had in place for other moves?
Then why not just not make a trade at all. That certainly wouldn’t eat into the budget for adding additional players, now would it?
You want to rethink this a bit?
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
because
Someone (probably a collection of people) more educated in baseball scouting didn’t trust our current catching situation. Maybe it’s not the right move, but it was the one that was made given the decision to get another catcher AND not add to payroll
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
So these geniuses traded a former 1st rounder for a guy with a .644 OPS?
The move was made, we’re all well aware of that. The move sucks. Most of us are keenly aware of that. I can’t see the baseball logic that justifies making such a move — and your attempted justification of it as a move to facilitate another move is just an atrocious raping of basic sense.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I'm not saying it facilitates another move
I’m saying it still leaves the budget intact for another move
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
Thing is, I've spent some time thinking about it,
and it really does boil down to the fact that if you don’t think Molina is worth trading Main for, then you’re going to feel better about just not making this deal and saving the money that way.
a budget move would have involved just selling a player
we didn’t do that. this was budget neutral. it does nothing to facilitate a trade in the future. In fact, it lowers a future trade possibility because we just traded away an asset
Hey, any time you can trade away a decent-to-good prospect for Bengie Molina
You gotta do it.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
You're missing the main points here
1) Educated baseball people (unlike those of us posting here) felt the need for another catcher
2) They didn’t want to add to the payroll to get a player they in a position of need
3) To not add payroll they had to give up a prospect, who is probably overvalued by us
4) The pre-approved budget to add a player is still at the max
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
your points would counsel never questioning a trade
so I’m going to ignore it
by ab03 on Jul 1, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's clearly a front office plant sent to try and calm down the masses.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm all for debating a trade
but the overreaction to this is a little fucked up. If Main becomes the second coming of Cy Young I will eat my words. To me the overreaction is all the JD hate…he did the best he could given what they felt like they needed and still kept the budget in place.
Hicks deserves all the hate, not JD…IMO
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
No, JD deserves hate for this.
Budget issues or not, you don’t make this trade. You just don’t do it. You tell them to go screw themselves and call up Salty or something.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
yes
that’s all we need is a catcher with the yips in the middle of a pennant race. Are you serious?
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
His throwing issues are resolved.
Yes I’m serious. Let him back up treanor. I would rather do that than give up Michael Main for Benji fucking Molina.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
It's not surprising
that there is a lot of folks riled up to get rid of a prospect some had rated highly to get a guy who, at this stage of his career, can do nothing but call a game. He doesn’t field his position all that well anymore, and he certainly doesn’t hit.
Sadly, The Rangers put themself in this position by starting the year trying to convince themselves that both Salty and Teagarden were major league ready. The downside of rushing prospects, right there.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Agreed
Rushing and over-valuing prospects
"Success is a journey, not a destination"
- A fortune cookie
you don't understand
what everyone is saying, do you?
As long as J.D. doesn't overspend again, i'm okay with this.
If him realizing this trade goes against the basic philosophy of the organization, and it keeps him from giving up an extra top-flight prospect in a trade at the deadline, i’ll consider it a win. Otherwise… how do you justify this move?
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
we don't need another guy that can't hit lefties
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yep, Sandoval has been awful against lefties
and that is being generous. he’s almost as bad as Smoak (not quite) this year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Aandro and others on Twitter say
Trade is approved.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
This trade is kind of like fucking your sister.
It just shouldn’t happen.
by cmkelly29 on Jul 1, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No it's like fucking a hot step sister
It feels a little wrong,and you probably shouldn’t do it. At the end though who is getting that hurt by it? If worst comes to worst and you end up having a baby at least it’ll be normal.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Jul 1, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You really...
think Benji Molina is a hot step sister?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's tan
Maybe like an okay chubby hot step sister who is good at giving blowjobs.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
God is hurt by it.
And you went with “probably shouldn’t do it,” over definitely?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
You are so stupidly retarded
We are getting hurt. Our wallets are lighter because of this trade. Why do you suck at talking?
He's...
acting more rational than you are.
Unlike you, he knows Bengie Molina isn’t a good baseball player.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what you're failing is
You are the most superficial jackass I know. You see a curse word and you automatically think the message has no value. It’s because you don’t know how to read or comprehend. You probably glossed over this current message.
DON’t FUCKING JUDGE A BOOK BY IT’S FUCKING COVER.
by ab03 on Jul 1, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm superficial?
Obviously you’re the one doing the glancing over.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
No I'm not
you’ve said compeltely fuck all the whole thread except
1) you guys are immature (rich)
2) stop overreacting, you dont’ know what’s going to happen
Have you said anything fucking else in the whole thread?
you been to the Shenandoah Valley?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
hmm....
NewbergReport
Strop recalled.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
max
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
This used to be links to my websites... But the man got in the way, shut them all down... Damn the man... ~ Rangers Game Streams ~ Password: LSB123
by FormerLSBUser on Jul 1, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate the fuck out of JD right now..
he better make this up to me in a BIG fucking way
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
So, this means something very simple...
To get Cliff Lee (And yes, Lee is the only target left, Oswalt is gone), it will take this…
Harden, Perez, Schepp… Maybe a throw in on top of this… If Main costs $2 million, then Lee’s additional $3mill or so left will have to cost two top prospects…
Which brings me to this conclusion… No, thank you Seattle.
Seriously, Kurkjian said this morning, “There team as presently constructed is good enough to make it to the ALCS…”
I will take that this year, with all the shit we are going through in the front office, I will take an ALCS trip in one fucking second.
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
This used to be links to my websites... But the man got in the way, shut them all down... Damn the man... ~ Rangers Game Streams ~ Password: LSB123
by FormerLSBUser on Jul 1, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions
dude seriously,....
its not taking both schepp and perez…and they do not want harden
by death of the cool on Jul 1, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden would be a part
simply to balance salaries. They will gladly accept harden if they are also getting Perez and Schepp. Which based on the trade they just made for a shitty catcher, I imagine they would make an insanely prospect filled trade for a pitcher of the quality of Lee
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Do they even want Harden?
Wouldn’t they just rather absorb salary? They want to give him some starts and exercise the mutual option or something?
I agree
Who would want Harden? I’m simply speculating that since the Rangers have to make the salary numbers work to keep payroll even they would most likely need to the M’s to take on Harden’s salary. I understand what you are saying though, I just remember reading that on one of the rumor mills out there and stating that just about anyone would take Harden if it meant also getting two prospects of that level
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that better than a normal parade?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Why, if Main = $1.5M
Would it take Perez and Schepp to get us to $3M? Those prospects are in different prospect-universes
I think its a reference to the difference in quality between Lee and Molina
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
We didn’t give up Main to get Molina, we gave up Main to get $1.5M of salary relief.
It only cost us Ray to get Molina.
This makes me wish we got AJ earlier when we had the chance.....
probably could have gotten him cheaper when they werer shopping him earlier on.
Saddest thing I've ever seen written on this board.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
2009
“TEAGARDEN OR SALTY OR MAX, DUDE.. EITHER WAY, WE’RE SICK AT CATCHER”
2010: “Treanor or B. Molina tonight?”
amazing what can happen in a year.
Saints win the Super Bowl
Iphone 4
BP Oil Disaster
Iceland Volcano
and this.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
how does Iphone 4 fit in there
they release a phone every year. and the new droid is coming out as a better phone
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
with all the problems it has been delivering, it belongs.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jul 1, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
the room is sticky with hate fluids
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Jul 1, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
MEANWHILE IN SAFECO FIELD
The Seattle GM is looking at our farm system with pear-filled eyes, just imagining what we’d do not to have to take on salary.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
you've got to be kidding, what a DUMB move this is.
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
hahaha
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
I'm not going to get worked up over it....I doubt Main turns out to be anything great.....
we did overpay (no doubt about it), but I dont think our system skips a beat by losing Main.
It does suck that it was for Benjie Molina. The team must have really felt that Max wasn’t helping his pitchers out.
by death of the cool on Jul 1, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions
That's not the point.
The point is that Main could’ve been used as a chip in a trade for something valuable…you know, somebody that doesn’t have the last name Molina.
Here;s another part that annoys me about it
Because I’ve tried to steady my mood with your rationale.
Main is another player we could have added on to a heap of prospects for a stud-Ace. If he’s worth $1.5M, so be it, but I want to spend that capital towards Cliff fucking Lee’s salary, not Molina’s
this is the main reason the deal is bad
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
very true...
but I wonder how much we have to work with…..JD mention we have flexibility.
by death of the cool on Jul 1, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
well...
we could be saving that flexibility for a future deal.
by death of the cool on Jul 1, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My shit list...
for this deal :
1) Hicks
2) Nolan
3) JD
4) Salty/TT
I just don’t know who to hate the most for this happening.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I know this guy who looks just like salty
And always wears Rangers shirts, but he’s a gardening. I’ve got to take a picture one day of him without him knowing. He even has the same facial hair, and hair.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Tell it again.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
You won't be saying that if I get a picture of him.
It’s creepy. I bet he sucks at throwing too.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
bc he was laughing at you
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
no sweat guy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I still can't believe someone pulled the bub card earlier...
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s times like this that I really wish i knew exactly what went on behind the scenes. Kinda like that AGon / Chris Young for Otsuka and Eaton deal. I want to know who thought this was a good idea, who pushed for it, etc. I’m a big JD fan, but if he really thinks this is a good trade…maybe he’s not as bright as I thought.
This must be how every knowledgeable Braves fan felt three years ago.
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 4:31 PM CDT reply actions
thats a joke
this isnt comparable at all
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, maybe not the best comparison.
But i’m sure both sides felt like puking at the time.
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
not quite,
Harrison was thought of as the strongest pitcher in that trade at the time, if I’m not mistaken.
by blueballlefty on Jul 1, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Salty was supposedly the big name at the time
And I think Andrus was pretty well regarded… but yeah, at least Atlanta got a significant piece in that trade, a player they felt would get them over the hump. Can’t really see how Benji fits that mold.
by eric_hurleys_rotator_cuff on Jul 1, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing that gives me hope about this deal
Is that some day in November, we’re going to look back on July 1 as the day our season was solidified through the acquisition of an old, light-hitting, defensively-adequate at best, slow as my daughter crawling backup catcher whose greatest qualities are apparently incapable of being quantified (so we can never know if they actually had an effect).
I bet he knows how to win.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aqua on Jul 1, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
"backup catcher whose greatest qualities are apparently incapable of being quantified"
I don’t get this at all. If our FO is a giant group of stat geeks, why the hell would they do this? Molina’s supposed best qualities are something that cannot be quantified by stats.
I think JD is the only "known" stat geek.
Not sure about the rst of the FO.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
What about his buddy from Cornell
Preller? In fact didn’t BP just describe him in an article with that “stat geek” tag?
Thad's pretty geeky
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
The Gut will love him.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
yep...
regardless, I am not losing sleep over a prospect like Main when we probably have 10 better arms waiting in the wings.
If they felt he would help this team get to the playoffs…then so be it
by death of the cool on Jul 1, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that we traded him away.
It’s that we traded him away for somebody that isn’t likely to provide much improvement especially when he could’ve been included in a trade for somebody that is actually good at baseball.
I wish this had never happened
but this reminds me of LL Meltdown mode heh. I can’t say I can blame anyone, though, this trade sucks.
and oh by the way, Matt Mosely should never be allowed to talk about baseball period. what a moron.
Haha!
I’m listening as well. it’s pretty bad. Galloway is as bad as about anything on 105.3
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well this is fucking stupid....
I really hope we dont trade for Cliff Lee now if this is what we give for Bengie “fucking fat ass sack of worthless shit” Molina
Fucking stupid, I hope JD and entire FO get the shit raped out of them for this
Fucking stupid
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Fuck off to both of you
you fucking sons of bitches….yes, this was sarcasm
Amazingly I work with kids everyday too….shocking…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
It was one of my better calls indeed
I have something to mark my stupidity for that though…and it was stupidity
Dont be so mean to me though GoET, im gonna go cry now, you should be nicer to special people like me…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
I'm just happy...
the Rangers won.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Just think of the playoffs...
I swear at least six of us are going to die of anger/stress strokes before it’s over.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It fucking ruins my enjoyment at times even...it sucks ass
i was only half watching the game last night due to my frustration (i had it on tape and i was flipping to it)
i swear i have fucking issues when it comes to sports
I'm actually starting to think this trade wasn't so bad.
No, never mind, this is the worst abortion of a deal I’ve seen in a while.
Would it be wrong
to wish that plane carrying Molina to meet the Rangers crashes? For the simple reason of voiding this trade?
I'm with COCO!!!
Geez how old are you? ceazy thing to say, Carma is a bitch my friend
"I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for." Lou Gehrig
That's why I put in the form of a question
So, Carma would dictate that a plane I will be on will crash?
I'm with COCO!!!
by Baseball North on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
id really like max to stick around as the backup 1st baseman/catcher
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
but i dont think thats gonna happen
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 1, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
So, about Molina's ability to call a great game:
how much is that hampered by 3.5 years out of the AL, in terms of lack of familiarity with batters?
I think Abraham Lincoln said it best
when hearing about this trade he said, “if you are a Rangers fan and you like this trade then I will attack you with the north.”
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
No, he definitely did.
Look it up.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
It's in the Gettysburg Address.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Its actually in the constitution
check the foot notes
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
REVENGE!!!!
It’s worked for the team so far.
Maybe Molina will come in and hit .625 with 3 HRs. This would please me.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Folks are overreacting about Main.
Main was basically sold for $2 mill. He’s probably not worth that, considering the Rangers’ budgetary restraints and that he’s barely a top-200 prospect.
But Molina still sucks.
As much as anything
it’s just an ominous sign of what could come. If they’re willing to pay that price for Molina, I shudder to think what they’d give up for Cliff Lee.
Obviously, it sucks that they're in this position.
But Main for $2 million isn’t the end of the world.
Especially considering the Rangers’ considerable SP depth.
To a degree, you're right
In terms of monetary value, $2 mil is about right. But I don’t see how it’s worth paying $2 mil for a catcher that, realistically, represents a marginal improvement at best.
But maybe Molina will come in and wow everybody with his ability to call a game and handle a pitching staff. I sure as hell hope so.
Right. I agree that Molina sucks, and would rather not give up anything for him, much less $2 mill.
Just saying that the Main for $2 million part doesn’t really bother me.
But he was sold...
for $2 million to pay for Bengie Molina. That’s what sucks.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
nailhead meet hammer
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
To be fair
(the trade sucks so that isnt part of the discussion)
lets just say for shits and giggles that Main wasnt really included in the deal, but then in a second deal we essentially sold him to the giants for the 1.7M whatever fucking amount it was. If it was purely a financial deal at that point (and not a talent evaluation issue), perhaps it isnt quite as god awful
for example, perhaps this could be money that is used for any number of purposes
im hoping i can give JD the benefit of the doubt and still trust him…desperately
Fuck Mike Estabrook
I dont think so is it...
Well, shit maybe i was completely misunderstanding the trade…i thought both sides were paying for their own respective player….
I was under the impression that they were paying for molina and we’re paying for Ray, in which case we would save….
ya know what…just occurred to me that my logic fucking sucked, they are paying for Molina but we dont actually save any fucking money
well fuck me and my fake bright lining is gone….this trade sucks on every level
Yeah.
Cot’s says that the Giants are “sending cash,” but my take is that they’re just paying for the difference between Ray’s salary and Molina’s; the Rangers don’t get the $1.75 million to play with. Or, if they spend the money the Giants send them, they still have to come up with it somehow else, in order to pay Molina. Or something.
I think so too
my initial understanding/thought was flawed…
hopefully though we at least get a little money out of it just to make it seem like we arent completely fucking retarded as an organization
sanity reaction
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
JD,when I discussed trading a prospect to allow payroll for a trade
I meant for Cliff Lee.
Rather he becomes something or not this is awful.
I swear to god I'm not a troll
Hey, everyone. Just checking in from McCovey Chronicles to see your reactions to the deal. Seeing a lot of the anger reminds me of McC after most of Sabean’s signings or trades.
Not sure if it’s been said, but over there I think most members would have been thrilled with Molina simply being DFA’d. Bruce Bochy kept writing Molina in the lineup and we all wanted to see Buster Posey in there. The fact that we got Ray was considered a bonus and now people can’t believe we got Main too. People there are praising Sabean and if you knew the crowd at McCovey chronicles, you’d think hell was freezing over.
Here’s the thing with Molina; his offensive decline has been well-chronicled, but his defense REALLY slipped this year. Other than throwing out a couple of would-be base stealers recently, he’s otherwise been atrocious. It looks like his age and poor conditioning are catching up with him because he he’s letting way too many balls get passed him from both lazyness and lack of quickness. For some reason, the home scorer in SF doesn’t appear capable of ruling anything a “passed ball”, but trust me; there have been many “wild pitches” that shouldn’t have got passed him.
On a positive note; if you believe that handling pitchers, calling a good game and working the umps are tangible skills, you’re probably getting an upgrade in that area. He also seems to be well-liked by his teammates and twice was voted most inspiration Giant by his teammates. I also think the rest of your offense will hide his lack of offense better than the Giants’ did.
On a realted note; I was in Dallas a few weeks ago and headed to your yard to catch a game. Beautiful park you have there and people were friendly. Had a great time.
Cheers,
G
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
LOL
The last thing I wanted to do was come off like a douchebag and say “Ha ha, we fleeced you.”, but if you want I can try again :-)
Actually, I was more interested in seeing your guys take and sharing my observations about how his game has declined. And just because we all would have DFA’d Molina doesn’t mean Sabean would have.
What’s interesting from the Giants’ side is that this appears to have been Bochy and Vinny Castilla all over again; where Bochy kept starting the non-producing vet until the GM finally got rid of him.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Well, I think you've seen our take on it.
We’re probably overvaluing Main a bit, but I don’t think as much as we’re being accused of doing. And I think we’re nailing Molina’s value, unless he is just the game-calliest of current game-callers.
To Ray, though, I think we all say: good riddance, sir.
I want to yell at you in anger. But you seem nice.
So…uh…congrats on getting rid of Molina, I guess.
thanks Goof.....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I just can't get angry at a guy who named himself Goofus
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a 3 sentences worth of fuck offs and just couldn't hit post...
I guess I’m a softy.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Either that or I'm just too charming
Nah, probably the former
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Ray is a trojan horse of suck
main will look nice in your farm system though
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Ray really that bad?
I’ve never seen him pitch. Other than control issues, it looked like he might be getting back to form after the TJS.
He’ll probably get achance in our bullpen, especially with the team in a huge stretch with no days off and headed to Colorado, but I think he’ll be on a short leash.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Relievers' ERAs usually are
I’m kinda hoping he’s still on his way back. Oops.
Can he pitch long relief?
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
he seems more of the closer type
just not a great one
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Our manager has already worked his ass off this year.
Long relief is not in his wheel house either.
He’ll light up your speed gun, but he’ll also light up your scoreboard.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He's pretty wild.
And he is prone to the long ball.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
throws 96 but doesn't strik anyone out...so...yeah.
inconsistent slider and he seems to be scared to throw his splitter…which at times has looked to be a decent out pitch.
But, hell…he’ll probably go over there and dethrone Wilson as your closer.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
If you have the patience to read the entire thread,
I’m willing to bet you won’t find one person who is pissed over losing Ray.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Main is what’s got everybody so riled up.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
same here
mainly(pun) because main is a unknown entity
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
When you guys have your...
clever Main and Cain rotation, I’m going to go to Giants games and weep.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
just fyi
Main’s last four starts in the Cal League:
27 IP, 19 H, 7 BB, 25 K, 1.67 ERA
If he stays healthy he could make you guys really happy.
main just might join the ranks of
Barry zito and Danks
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate it.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
YOU ARE NOT HELPING MY ANGER
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
thank you Goofy, that's a great post
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
I picked a HORRIBLE week to try to stop cussing...
FUDGESICLE!!! FLABBERGASTED FARFIGNEWTONS!!!
I am so angry. That is all.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
I Guess I am the only one that likes this deal.
I’ve been paying attention to the young guns on the farm and Main is still a long way away from big league ball. At least 3-4 years away. So to say this is a bad deal isn’t really right. Molina AVG 18 HRs and 86 RBIs a year, and that is in a PITCHERS PARK. Now your bring him to a hitters park and he will be even better. Not to mention he is a proven upgrade over everything we have in our system right now. Max isnt ready yet. He still has another year left to get there. Treanor is a decent backup option but he isnt starting material. Molina plays good defense and is a great Offensive option. He may be only hitting .257 with 17 RBIs and 3 HRs right now, but he is also coming from a team with absolutely NO offense at all. So it would be hard to drive in runs that arent even on base. Now you bring him to the best offense in baseball and throw him down right before Borbon and his batting AVG will go up 20 points in a month. You need to stop complaining about what his stats look like and look at the BIGGER PICTURE!
You're ignoring Molina's worst in MLB plate discipline.
A few jacks doesn’t make you a good hitter when you have an OBP of about .250.
not to betray my anger but
our line up is ridiculous
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
we over paid and i have not watched a bunch of him play
but from what i see he is a better hitter than trainer( or how ever you spell it)
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Molina has a wOBA of .284 ~ that's awful.
He’s not a great offensive option, no matter how you capitalize it. Try again.
San Francisco isn't really a pitcher's park
Especially for RHH. It takes away a lot of HRs for lefties, but plays very neutral for righties.
There’s also very little foul ground, so hitters get a lot of secnd chances when they’re pop ups go foul.
Trust me: Molina is not anything close to a great offensive option. He’s gone from a 767 OPS in 2008 to 727 last yeatr to 644 this year. When you consider that he’s a 35 year old catcher with weight problems, it’s probably not unexpected.
Trust me on this too: By the end of the season, you’ll be thrilled he’s not signed beyond this year.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Yeah, those RBI numbers were really bothering me
Thanks for clearing that up. I feel SO much better now.
/sarcasm
I'm not against trading Michael Main.
I’m against trading Michael Main for Bengie Molina.
Le sigh.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
You mean you are against trading Main to get 2million to pay Molina
It kind of reminds me of king of the hill, when bill is in a focus group with the used car salesman he bought a ford fiesta from and makes a comment about him selling him the racing stripes and the car dealer says “no I financed the racing stripes”
not an exact quote but it kind of sums it up to me, either way you are left with a ford fiesta that has racing stripes
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Michael Main is still in A+
Not to mention he is holding a 4-6 Record with a 6.83 ERA down there.
Molina might not have a good OBP but he was also hitting in SF. Look at the Rangers overall OBP last year. Now look at it this year under Clint Hurdle. Molina will fit in quite well, plus he is protected in this lineup.
There is nothing wrong with this trade at all.
Main was just promoted to AA.
Molina’s wOBA (not OBP) is .284 ~ that’s terrible.
Please stop. You’re hurting the Internets.
in other words he will be in AA for a year or 2 then AAA for 2-3 years. So he will be major league ready when Molina is long retired. How is this a bad investment again?
Last I checked we still had Perez Scheppers and Beaven down there and are higher touted than Main.
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So?
If we had the next Clemens, Schilling, and Lincecum down there, would that make it right to trade the next Grienke?
Note: I am not comparing any of those pitchers to any of the Rangers’ kids.
What does that even mean?
That just because Main won’t hurt you now negates the entire crappiness of the deal?
Why not trade Marteen for AJ? Your logic totally works there too.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
This is just like the negative crap people said about CJ Wilson
Everyone wanted him gone and traded and released. Now he is one of our best pitchers. A lot of people thought Vlad wouldnt be any good this year too and blasted the Rangers for it saying he isnt healthy and he has nothing left. Then all of a sudden he is Leading baseball in RBIs. Go Figure. I guess we will find out how good Molina is when he comes to a Hitters park.
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with
trading prospects because “they won’t hurt us now”?
And I doubt moving from San Francisco to RBIA is really going to turn a .284 wOBA into a league-average hitter, even.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
What does a hitter's park have to do with CJ?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Just take Garoon's advice. You're making yourself look bad.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Not that it really matters
but Main’s ERA isn’t 6.83. That was last year, when he pitched the first two months of the season with Mono, and then got shut down through the end of August. This year, he has a 3.45 ERA with a 1.18 WHIP and 3.43 K/BB ratio.
He is only a rental player to begin with.
I already know he wont be back next year. And you are forgetting that the Rangers are sending 1-6 in their lineup to the ASG. Molina is protected in this lineup. And considering even if his numbers arent great, look at the catchers we have now. they are Averaging a .212 BA.
right look at the catchers they have now and look at molina
not enough difference to give up ray AND main
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Wow, batting average.
Please tell us more, oh King of Offensive Statistics.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
I have a feeling this guy found LSB because one of his posts on Facebook made it into 'Fun with Rangers Facebook Commentary'
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
And considering that Molina has only struck out 19 times in 202 ABs this year that is a HUGE Upgrade! At least he puts the ball in play. That means more RBIs and SF chances. Its better than Treanor and Ramirez Striking out all of the damned time with Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's also great to see
Molina hit a groundball with a man at first instead of striking out, then watching the infielders turn two.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Turn off the pron.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Dumbasses gonna dumbass.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aqua on Jul 1, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whatchu lookin at, ass eyes?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
And considering that Molina has only struck out 19 times in 202 ABs this year that is a HUGE Upgrade! At least he puts the ball in play. That means more RBIs and SF chances. Its better than Treanor and Ramirez Striking out all of the damned time with Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yes he is better than max and treanor
but the difference is not main
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Get off Michaels NUTS! he isnt even going to be around
Hell he could end up being the next Prior. Who cares!?
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
So you won't care
when Michael Main wins three straight CYs, and you note that the Rangers could’ve kept him if they hadn’t traded for a half-year rental of a below-mediocre catcher?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
LMAO 3 CYs?? REALLY? Get off the nuts man. Kid hasnt even proven himself yet. Hasnt done anything spectacular and He might not even reach the Majors. So before making him a 3 time CY winner make sure he even makes it to pro ball first
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I am giving you a hypothetical.
To counter your argument that “farm talent” does not count.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
are you fuck serious
yes we know he could never amount to anything but just like any prospect he a probability tied to him…… and we are saying the probability of him being good outweighs the benefit of Molina
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
thats dumb
lets trade our whole damn farm system for old fat ass catchers
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take the time Prior gave the Cubs
Over anything Bengie Molina is ever going to do, charitable works and guitar playing included.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
LMAO!!! he hasnt played in 4 years and he is still only 29. 1 good year. Basically a one of the biggest busts
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll veteran the hell out of you.
I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, The Bus That couldn't Slow Down.
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He's talking about what he did with the Cubs.
Which was, what, one-and-a-half CY-caliber seasons?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
600 innings of 110+ ERA
That’s massively more valuable than Molina.
There’s also the career WAR game: 13 for Prior, 8.8 for Molina.
So, the point stands.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
we are comparing apples to oranges now. Great!
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe red apples
to even more red apples
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like I am the only Rangers fan in this forum. How nice.
Well only TRUE Rangers fan who actually knows how shit is done and doesnt look at the smaller picture. Either way, It will be fun when you are all surprised about his pick up in production now that he is a Ranger
Bo started off well, then all of a sudden, one night he went crazy for FOTF...still a good guy though.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
tell us your thoughts on Michael Young's defense.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
im a bit what?
he has gold gloves at 3 different positions and you hate that too?
Somehow i figure you to hate reading an encyclopedia because you hate the facts of life. WOW
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you've even read the encyclopedia.
He has three gold gloves?
You learn something new every day.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
FYI
the gold glove award is a joke.
and it is common knowledge that MY has no range
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
now Michael Young sucks? Wow!
You are real Rangers fans? Guy is Mr. Clutch and you all think he sucks? Just full on WOW
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
you just mentioned all offensive arguments...
his defense iswhat sucks. pay attention to what people say, jackass.
no MY does not suck his D does
you mix my words around worse than my Fiancee (just proposed at Fri game against the astros)
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i was joking
damn i wonder what the world looks like through your eyes
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly pretty sure my dead dog I had when I was a kid..
is smarter than this guy.
Yes, his rotten corpse is smarter.
Paging benmor78, benmor78
Please report to the ban this asshole room, please.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
And I'm frustroyed as hell
Plus, I like working on my arguing skills with asshats like these. Kind of like a scrimmage game.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
I'm not that aggressive
I just like finding odd opportunities to justify why Mark Prior is far more valuable than Bengie Molina.
Then Eric Lyle Green happened.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
He's not worth a ban...
Let him stick around and learn some things.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
he’s already learned that we hate him and look down upon him and his shitty opinions. That’s something.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he's very Texas_Dawg like...hmmmm
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
You forgot the part
where you argued irrationally and declared yourself ‘the only Rangers fan in this forum’.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Whoever made this gimmick did a great job.
I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, The Bus That couldn't Slow Down.
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Thinking that "true fans" should see everything positive is insane
Many people here have been watching the Rangers fails to win a playoff series for DECADES. Did you think the A-Gon trade was a good move?
We are getting close now and want to see every last move be made to maximize the franchise, especially with ownership in chaos.
But no, this trade is not going to devastate that Rangers or anything.. its just not a precedent I Iike to see set.
Dude
I’m not a regular here, but we see this on our site all the time.
You’re arguing with people who clearly have a better understanding of the game than you. It’s frustrating for them because they’re regulars here who are used to having intelligent conversations about players and their values and you come in here sounding like a claler to sports talk radio.
You have two choices:
- Be open-minded about learning from others. It can actually be rewarding and you can impress your firends with what you’ve learned.
- Continue to argue with people who know more than you do and leave yourself open to derision
The choice is your….choose wisely
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
by Goofus on Jul 1, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fuck off...
Oh wait, you’re defending us.
Sorry, force-of-habit.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 1, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He can also get some pretty funny/disturbing .gifs if he can stick around for the GDT
which may or may not impress his friends.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Ive played for 20 years and have been a fan since i was 5. I know baseball. I am also an assistant coach for the Coastal Kingfish. I know baseball. dont give me crap like I am a 12 year old that doesnt know anything
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably since we are based out of Houston and we are a travelling team..
I guess you dont know much on that
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i know know nothing about
mexican catfish
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Better yet...
it’s where the Rangers rescued Ruben Sierra from when he returned in 2000.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, you haven't heard of them?
They went 8-50 last year. Eric apparently did an outstanding job of coaching those boys up.
don't use that card, it's lame.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
and I say that with love.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Your team is also 6-20
So, I’m extrapolating that you’re not good at coaching.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Fixed
So, I’m extrapolating that you’re not good at assistant coaching.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
You've been the best part of this
trade.
That’s not much of a compliment, but, you know… it’s something.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
And a gritty, gutty, veteran catcher
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Who just knows how to call a game right
and has that super clubhouse personality that is worth 2 WAR
I didn't say you don't know anything
I said you’re arguing with people who have a better understnading of the game, especially statistics.
You gave yourself away when you used batting average and RBIs to evaluate Molina’s value. I’m not a total stat head, but those are generally accepted as pretty poor ways to evaluate a player.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
always wanted to go
only place in Cal that sound like a nice place to live
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
san diego is pretty nice too
Just avoid Los Angeles
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I'll second this
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Yo baetown
Wassup? Some of these people apparetnly don’t think I’m an a-hole. Please don’t clue them in.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
If you were real fans you wouldnt be bashing every thing.
Instead you are worried more for an unproven pitcher that hasnt even seen a glimpse and doesnt have that great of minor league stats and you hate to see him go? oh no!
Fans bash what they perceive to be stupid moves.
Now you perceive it as a good move (or at least this bit does) and therefore you’re fine with it.
Others see it as an incredibly shit deal. This is different to signing Vlad, or Colby, or even the opinions on Rich Harden.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Keep your opinions then. I have mine. So you hate it. I like it. Either way no one is going to know until the performance starts.
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You can have a silly opinion if you choose
Just don’t try to call dedicated fans phony because you don’t get it.
When did MY pick up those other 2 gold gloves by the way? Was it for the kingfish?
Don't most bits do that?
Play the really dumb card and apologize about not knowing how. It seems to be a trend I’ve picked up here lately.
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
not wanting to bash you but
you are arguing everything this blog is against
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Eric...
a lot of members of this website do not like this trade not because we’re not “real fans” but because we recognize that trades are essentially about value and the Rangers did not receive as much value as they traded away. We don’t whistle through the graveyard here. The people here want the Rangers to be successful and trading pitching prospects for old, bad catchers out of a weird perceived sense of desperation is not going to do that.
If Bengie Molina contributes positively to the Rangers, people here will be happy about that, but that won’t make the process behind this move any less flawed.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
USE THE GODDAMN REPLY BUTTON.
SHIT.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
It is my own opinion. I think it will be a great add to this offense
And i think he calls a good game for pitchers as well.
you cant just do that
say something stupid then say “its my opinion”
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It isnt stupid and it is an opinion just like all of you saying this is bad for the team. That is strictly opinion as well
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i believe bill clinton is a chick
my opinion
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
you believe Main will win 3 CYs….
Your opinion
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i believe tom hanks is a jerk
my opinion
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You are from San Franciso, aren't you?
Because harf harf harf gay people like Cher.
(I like Lady Gaga. Fuck you. I think she’s good at singing.)
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Did you know...
that of catchers with at least 130 PAs this season, Bengie Molina is tired for the third worst in baseball?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Tied...
but yes, he leads the league in most tired.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like...
we’ve unlocked a secret of the universe here.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with the new guy
Don’t like that it cost that much not to take on $ but oh freakin well. I will miss seein main’s name in lucas’ report. Way to much is being made of this. Lets never trade anyone ever. This is a Treanor upgrade. The price sucked but I swear you guys are acting like your best friend screwed you mother. We upgraded our catcher position today.
So that's 4 out of 300 that like the trade...
sweet!!
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt matter who likes it and who doesnt like it. all that matters is how he will perform and no one even knows the answer to that question
by Eric Lyle Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
So if he performs like shit...
are we still all bad Rangers fans and you’re the “real” Rangers fan because you believed he would be good more?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
what your argument is that expectations and future returns are not correlated?
why invest in the stock mkt it could be worthless tomorrow
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't KNOW that Cliff Lee would be great as a Ranger
But I know trading him for Arias would be a great move.
I don’t KNOW that Yuniesky Betancourat would be a terrible SS for the Rangers, but I know trading him for Elvis Andrus would be a terrible move.
Yes, sometimes good trades fail to work out. Some times bad trades succeed. They were still good and bad trades regardless of the results, don’t confuse the outcome with the decision.
Of course, ultimately this is not a large trade thats going to save or kill the Rangers. But like I said, its just not a good precedent.. hopefully ownership gets a miracle and we don’t have to deal with the penny pinching nonsense.
dont mention elvis for yuniesky
thats to hard to read
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, GoET...
let us never mention such a phrase again, even when snark is required.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
The Rangers probably didn't even...
upgrade the position and it cost a decent arm.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not sure the position is upgraded...
I think the Rangers just added someone they think they can count on. Someone to have in case Treanor breaks down. I don’t think it’s necessarily an upgrade. I think it’s depth.
Treanor has been better than Molina this year.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I am sure that Molina
is on the list of catchers better than Treanor. You really think the front office makes this trade without complete belief they were bettering the team? I don’t.
I do...
I think they made the trade thinking they needed someone in case Treanor breaks down and they figured they needed to do it right now.
And what makes you so sure? Treanor’s WAR this season is 0.6, Molina’s is 0.3.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I swear sometimes
i wonder whether many of ya’ll ever picked up at bat or a ball… WAR is great, watching matt treanor let a pitch in the dirt let our division rival score what would be the winning run and thinking " I wonder how many catchers would that have gotten behind?" and having the answer very few is stupid, WAR is completely superior and should be used over all other baseball intelligence you have accumulated..
Molina is superior to Treanor. Was he worth the prospect? Evidently the people that get paid to make these decisions thought so. I’m going with the baseball guys on this one.
The point is
you can’t just say “Molina s superior to Treanor” and leave it at that. It’s debatable who the better catcher is. If you don’t think that’s true, you might be thinking of Bengie Molina from 5 years ago.
baseball isn't played with
a calculator. it seems most here don’t value anything they cant measure and those are the reasons why he was brought in.
I think I'm going to make a gimmick account sometime when I'm bored.
It’s a great time waster, and so many people get riled up by them.
I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, The Bus That couldn't Slow Down.
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AJM...
doesn’t like sock puppets!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Something tells me you are Eric Lyle Green,
admit it!!!
by lost in space on Jul 1, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
HE IS ALMOST AN ASSISTANT COACH FOR THE KOASTAL KINGFISHERS!
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Assistant "to the" head coach
<assistant coach
by jonathan rigby on Jul 1, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I was ELG.
WAIT. THAT’S IT. HE’S EVAN GRANT.
I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, The Bus That couldn't Slow Down.
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Hey everyone
You guys are cool. Thanks for letting me crash your party. I’ll be back! Stop by McCovey Chronicles if you ever get the hankerin’ (Isn’t that a Texas term?) I’m one of the mods there and our overloard, Grant, is a really talented/hilarious writer.
SB Nation is hosting a meet up here tonight in San Francisco, so I gotta scoop up some free cocktails.
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McCovey is like Lookout Landing without the extreme douchebaggery of Seattle.
I read it from time to time. Good posters there.
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Thanks for being awesome...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 1, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
+ 1 people from the Bay area often are. :)
A punch and JUDY hitter is by definition a hitter who hits well placed but weakly hit balls for singles. Walter Alston once said of Willie McCovey "When he hits a home run he hits it with such authority it seems like an act of god. He's not a punch and Judy belter."
Is rec'ing a compliment bad form?
screw it…just did :-)
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Why this is a good trade
1. The Rangers are not going to able to put all their prospects on the 40 man roster. Some of them are going to have to be traded or lost in the rule 5 draft for $50,000 next year.
2. Molina will be hitting in the Ballpark not whatever they call Pacbell park now. Switching from a pitchers park to hitters park will help his offensive stats and probably his attitude.
3. If we can’t get Pudge this is a comparable talent. Not as good defensively but possibly better calling the game and handling the pitchers.
4. Neither the Yankees or the Red Sox have been throwing out baserunners this year and Molina is now unavailable to them. The Red Sox catcher Martinez is disabled recently making the timing of the trade that much better.
by Dennis Cavanagh on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 PM CDT reply actions
Couple of points
Regarding #2. As I had said yesterday, AT&T really isn’t a pitcher’s park, especially for RHH. Banking on Bengie’s fly outs in SF to suddenly become “Slama Lama DING DONGs” in Arlington is probably a mistake.
I just took a quick look at Molina’s fly ball pitch chart and tried to compare it to your dimensions and see maybe 2 balls that would have been HRs.
Another thing that I forgot to mention yesterday about Molina is how his lack of speed hurts the offense beyond the normal “can’t beat out infield singles and hits into a lot of double plays”. Molina is not just slow, he’s painfully slow. The Giants have publicly acknowledge that they’d like to hit him #8 but can’t because he’d be hitting in front of the pitcher he’s impossible to move over via a sac bunt. (I realize that’s not an issue in the AL, but just sayin’.)
A like to say that on an infield grund out, you normally see the infielder throw the ball to first and then see the infielders throw the ball around the horn. When Molina hits a grounder, they throw it around the horn and then to first. for the out.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
sigh
he’s impossible to move over via a sac bunt. (I realize that’s not an issue in the AL, but just sayin’.)
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry
by snake oil pete on Jul 2, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, like I said sac bunts are not a big part of the AL game, but
…you should know this. If he’s standing on second base, that’s not “scoring position” for him. This isn’t hyperbole: Whoever’s up will need to hit a double to drive him. It’s also pretty close to impossible to drvive him in from 3rd on a sac fly.
But hey, he calls a great game :-)
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
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