Saturday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:00 AM CDT
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Jeff Wilson's game story talks about the huge game of Bengie Molina, who hit for the cycle, with the home run being a grand slam, and then left the game with a problematic quad.
T.R. Sullivan's game story also focuses on the Molina cycle, and notes that the Rangers have won two in a row with him behind the plate, after going 1-5 with him catching prior to the break.
The S-T's notes talk about Josh Hamilton coming out of Thursday's game, with Hamilton saying it was just precautionary, and that there are no injury issues with him right now.
Sullivan's notes discuss, among other things, Mark Cuban's interest in getting involved in a new Rangers ownership group.
Barry Shlachter also has a story up about Cuban's interest in buying the Rangers.
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WOO!!!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It's Cliff Lee Day...
sure would be nice to take 3 in a row in Boston.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Cliff Lee Day
We should have a mini-celebration once a year on the anniversary of Cliff Lee Day. Just another reason to get shit-faced while loving Texas Rangers Baseball
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
100 pitches from Lee, over/under
I’ll take under, happy will pitch the 9th
by blakethegr8 on Jul 17, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Under.
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"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to wonder if Cuban owning the team
wouldn’t be such a bad thing. Obviously I want Greenberg, but I don’t think Cuban would be bad either. Obviously both would be better than BMFF Sr.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
I think many people in here owe Molina some slack
It is not his fault that he was traded for Main, but he takes it in the ass on LSB because of it.
Is he great? No, but he is a serviceable catcher….and the combo of him and Treanor will get us where we want to be.
by death of the cool on Jul 17, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure why that replied to Cuban
by death of the cool on Jul 17, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i was confused
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's just keep reveling in the Molina-ness of it for now
The reasons the trade were bad have been posted (repeatedly) before, no need to get into it again.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny
how two of the more memorable hits so far this year have been triples by catchers
So would AJM's head explode if Cuban somehow ended up with the Rangers?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
No
I’m just not sure there’s much reason to see it as a particularly good thing.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Explain, please...
…for as it stands now, we really know very little about any of the potential buyers except for Ryan.
"Elvis Andrus just sneers at sliders..." - Josh Lewin
Explain why I'm not sure there's much reason to see it as a particularly good thing?
I just don’t.
I don’t look at Cuban as owner of the Rangers and see a whole bunch of plusses.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there are unknowns
No one knows whether he’d be willing to lose millions on the Rangers, the way he has on the Mavs.
No one knows whether he’s going to want to be hands-on and involved with the Rangers, the way he has with the Mavs.
No one knows whether he’s going to rip the umpires and MLB publicly, the way he has with the Mavs.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
But, I think, if you believe what he’s saying… he wants Ryan, for sure, and Greenberg, hopefully too, to be involved in this thing. So that’s an immediate plus to me.
This^
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam
just admit you hate the guy and don’t want to see his face while watching Rangers games.
by behindthebag on Jul 17, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't hate him
I will agree that I don’t want to see his face while watching Rangers games.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
While I agree
with your first point. I don’t see (based on his comments and his casual and not die hard interest in baseball), why he would try to be hands on or rip the umpires and MLB as you suggest being possible.
Maybe he might not be willing to lose millions upon millions, but I don’t see a problem with him getting in Nolan/JD’s way and I don’t see him trying to start up a war with Selig and the MLB.
by behindthebag on Jul 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Those same issues are
present with several of the potential buyers. Even with Ryan, we don’t know what his plans are for the team. Yes, we have an idea, but with any of these guys there are tremendous unknowns.
Since I don’t follow the Mavs, I don’t know how he runs the organization. However, he does put a competitive team on the court and seems to hire competent basketball people to run the team. No?
The umpire/MLB thing i agree, but I see that as a deal killer.
"Elvis Andrus just sneers at sliders..." - Josh Lewin
There are questions about all owners in my opinion but
i dont think that we need an owner who is willing to shell out endless amounts of cash to produce a winner. We just need an owner who hasnt leveraged himself to the point that he cant afford a slim jim. Maybe Im niave but i dont think this ship is very far away from being a rather profitable one if we keep the current course. I would definitely hope he wouldnt berate the umps and MLB the way he does in the NBA. Think Nolan and Co would put an end to that rather quickly depending on his role
Oh say does that flag banner wave / Over a-a-all that's free / And the home of the land / And the land of the - FREE!
by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The obvious would be a relative payroll.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You think if Cuban owned the team...
…payroll would be higher than if Greenberg/Ryan owned the team?
Or Jim Crane?
Why?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure it'd be higher
but he’s proven he’s willing to lose large amounts of money to improve the team
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No
He’s proven he’s willing to lose large amounts of money to improve the Mavericks, a team has bought because he was a huge Maverick fan and had an emotional tie to.
Would he do that with the Rangers? I don’t know. If he’s losing $20 million per year on the Mavs, do you think he’d be willing to take another $20 million per year bath on the Rangers? Or would he be more willing to treat the Rangers as an investment?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he assumes
That he will earn back his losses when he sells the team.
I thought it had been shown that the model for most owners is to try to break even (or come out a little ahead) each year, but then most of the profits come from when you sell the team?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Cuban has to be feeling awesome right now...
…seeing as how the freaking Warriors, valued at $315 million (last January) by Forbes, just sold for $450 million. The Mavs are valued at $446 million.
Well
He bought the Mavs for $285 million in 2000.
Let’s say he’s lost $20 million per year on the team. That makes his total investment in the club about $485 million.
Let’s say he could sell them for $650 million, rather than the $446 million Forbes values them at.
That’s an annual return of about 3%.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But
When u consider the fact that the mavs are sort of like his play toy id think hed be ok with a 3% ROI. Its not a Hicks type of investment for him i dont think.
Oh say does that flag banner wave / Over a-a-all that's free / And the home of the land / And the land of the - FREE!
by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
More like a hobby
than investment
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not bad to make money
While living the dream.
AL West
Oakland 90-72
LAAA 88-74
Texas 83-79
Seattle 77-85
By: Josey Wales
Sure
But if Cuban plans on breaking even every year, then he’s not going to be willing to lose tens of millions on the team every year, and that’s generally been the big selling point for those who want Cuban to own the Rangers.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
My point was
That Cuban is, at the very least, such a basketball fan that he probably is ok with coming out even, or less ahead, than he would have if he just tried to break even every year.
We don’t know if he would plan on breaking even every year or be willing to take on losses. I feel like there is pretty good evidence that he would not put the team in a situation where they couldn’t afford to put a league average amount of their revenue to the actual team, and that would be a tremendous step up from where we are now. I think there’s even enough of a track record to say he’d be willing to lose a little each year, though almost certainly not as much as with the Mavs, in order to put a contender on the field every year and generate the sort of fan interest that significantly effects revenue.
We know your thoughts on Jerry and the relevance of his business skills, but surely you would admit that having a good businessman like Cuban as an owner in baseball would make a big difference in the amount the team could spend?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you say Cuban is a good businessman?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
His assets have grown
outside of the Mavs. I used to read his blog more, but he still invests in various things outside of the Mavs. His net worth is now $2.3 Billion, which is a lot more than he was worth even just a few years ago.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I was actually curious about this.
That’s probably how he can justify his losses.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 17, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
His assets have grown according to whom?
Cuban himself?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Jezus, give it a break
You hate him, we get it.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I still can't get over his appearance on "Dancing With the Stars"
and the faces he’d make.
ugh.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going by Forbes
I’ve seen it elsewhere, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were mainly referencing Forbes.
Interview with him from Forbes
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would you think otherwise?
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 17, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
He seems to have had two really successful ventures — the retail thing he did in the 90s, then Broadcast.com.
Although Broadcast.com was successful because it was bought out by Yahoo at a hugely inflated price…it ended up not being a great business in and of itself.
What has he done since then that would make one characterize him as a great businessman?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He's Jewish
That has to count for something
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 17, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Why the hell does it require anything "since then?"
He built two software companies from the ground up, sold one for a $2mil personal profit and the other we all know was much bigger than that.
And I’m pretty sure HDNet counts as a success.
Trying to define his business acumen as anything other than “great” strikes me as relatively absurd.
by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
So regardless of whether any of his other businesses are successful, those two deals make him a “great” businessman?
As for HDNet, I don’t know why it would count as a success.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Icerocket
c’mon…it changed the internet
"...he’s subliterate and needs to have a cork on his fork to keep from hurting himself when he eats" - AJM on Ron Washington
by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 17, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
A great businessman markets
his product successfully. He’s done that with the Mavs.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
What would define successful at this point?
He’s a self-made billionaire, and he got his nest egg to start Broadcast.com by being a self-made millionaire. And yeah maybe he sold Broadcast .com at the perfect time, but isn’t that part of being a good businessman?
I dunno, I feel like you would have to present evidence of poor business ventures costing him huge amounts of money to offset the earlier successes, rather than asking for proof of sustained business brilliance. Seems like a backwards argument given the facts at hand.
by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious, what does it take to become a "great" businesss man?
The guy sold one company for millions of dollars, then sold Broadcast.com for Billions of dollars.
How many people can say they’ve done that? Maybe I see things differently, but I don’t think he’s some lucky chump who happened to back into billions by getting lucky and selling something to a sucker company.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
This is probably one of the worst arguments I've seen you make
A self-made billionaire isn’t a great businessman because his businesses haven’t done well after he sold them for a lot of money or because you don’t know why his HD channels that have been around for a decade now would count as any kind of success.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
My point is simply that...
…since selling Broadcast.com, his business ventures haven’t been “great.”
From what I’ve read, his HD investment has been a money loser.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
My impression, and this is totally from what I've read on my own
is that he doesn’t HAVE to be a “great” investor or business man. He can be “ok” or even “so-so” and be ok. He has the money to do that. He doesn’t need to be a trillionaire. There’s only so much money a person can have.
He gets to own a dream company called the Dallas Mavericks. There are only 30 people in the world who can say that. I think being able to own a professional sports team is ample compensation for “only” making a 3% return on his investment.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
That's fine
But he’s being referred to as a great businessman elsewhere in this thread, which is what I’m responding to.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I think the arguement can be made that
you only have to be a great business man once. After that, you can do as you wish.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
So because he isn't making 2 billion dollars on each of his investments now
He’s no longer a great businessman?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Arguing rationally with Adam about Cuban is pointless.
We’re all “Kool-aid drinker” according to him.
yeah, i can't really argue that
it’s an unknown, I think all we can go on is history, but like you were pointing out, it’s comparing apples to kangaroos
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Jul 17, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
cuban's worth
$2.3 billion. I think, for that reason alone that, all things being equal, he’d be willing to spend more than the average owner.
Obviously, I can’t say for sure, but Cuban doesn’t strike me as a guy who would get involved unless he wanted to commit himself to putting a winner out there. Plus, he’s so rich, that he can say, “You know what? Screw the Yankees. We’re resigning Cliff Lee.”
Because Mark Cuban has more money than the Yankees.
Yep.
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"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no guarantees, but he at least has a track record.
Cuban’s paid fines that match what’s holding back Greenberg/Ryan.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Really?
Cuban has paid a $30 million fine before?
When?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Not one fine, total. And yes, it was hyperbolic.
Point being, money has never seemed an issue.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Money has never seemed to be an issue?
Give me a break.
Yes, money has been an issue. The Mavs have decided not to make moves because Cuban didn’t want to spend the money.
I don’t blame him for that. Every owner does it, and Cuban has been more willing to spend than most.
But let’s put a fork in the “Cuban will spend whatever it takes to win” meme.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You would admit though..
..that he has done a good job of making the Mavericks and their presentation more enjoyable for fans and significantly increased revenue streams?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not 'whatever it takes',
but definitely competitive, relative to his peers.
Compared to the others, I’d feel most comfortable with Cuban having a payroll to match the market.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You think he'd be more likely than Greenberg/Ryan to spend?
Or Beck?
Or Crane?
Why? Just because he did with the Mavs?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Do any of them have even as much of a track record as Cuban?
Why do we think any of them would be likely to spend money?
I think not.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We could spend all afternoon debating "has never seemed an issue" vs
“has never seemed much of an issue,” or we could do something productive like yelling at SBNation until they add a “this might not be 100% literally true” font.
Some of those moves
he didn’t make were because he was burned in the past when he just threw money at guys (i.e Lafrentz, Bradley, Finley).
I think he would be willing to back some additional spending if Ryan/JD really saw the need to.
by behindthebag on Jul 17, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
True.
Be sure to visit Mosul's new blog at www.mosuldolfan.blogspot.com/
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He's going to be joining the ownership group...
…but not going to be increasing their financial capabilities?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Who wants a guy who is willing to financially support a team and most likely let the baseball people run the team.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't follow the Mavs.
Does he not let his basketball people run the organization?
"Elvis Andrus just sneers at sliders..." - Josh Lewin
He's involved but he's not Al Davis
He hires good people that he trusts and allows them to make decisions. His hand is in the pot, though and he absolutely gets a vote.
Plus
He’s a die-hard basketball fan and just a casual baseball fan. I think he’d let the baseball people do their thing with very minor say.
AL West
Oakland 90-72
LAAA 88-74
Texas 83-79
Seattle 77-85
By: Josey Wales
this would appease me
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay
but that might mean a different approach to spending on baseball than basketball. I don’t know whether that would be good or bad. Just noting it might be different.
I think the roster upheavals would definitely be less frequent,
since the Rangers don’t have to worry about a cap.
I understand. I'm just
having a hard time understanding why his involvement would be a bad thing. He certainly has money to spend and from an external perspective, he is willing to spend it and put a quality team on the court.
"Elvis Andrus just sneers at sliders..." - Josh Lewin
Also, I would take 10 straight seasons
of at least a .609% winning percentage from the Texas Rangers.
by DevilManHammy on Jul 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a silly statement
A 609% in baseball is a whole lot different than a .609 in basketball.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
He probably has a solar powered calculator...
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I know someone
who recently went out and bought a new calculator (a pretty basic one) just because the simple one they had left over from middle school or whenever didn’t have a percent button, and so they thought they couldn’t use it to figure out stuff like what 13 percent of x was.
I managed not to even roll my eyes!
I can't decide if this is a sign we should all...
…move to Singapore or China or if it’s a sign that we should stay and take advantage of them.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the AC in my car is dying,
so I say no to moving anywhere that’s not going to be any cooler.
Heh
Are you still in Georgia?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm in Houston right now
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not the heat,
it’s the heat and the humidity!
And the heat.
by Closure GT on Jul 17, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's not the heat
/josey
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be very unhappy with a wining record of 0.609%
Oh say does that flag banner wave / Over a-a-all that's free / And the home of the land / And the land of the - FREE!
by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
that is true
but the Mavs have been consistently one of the best teams in basketball the entire time Cuban has owned them. They even nearly turned around a terrible season and made the playoffs the year that he bought the team. Had they not signed Dennis Rodman, they probably would have made the playoffs.
But he turned the Mavs around
And he has lured tons of free agents to Dallas with Playstations and fancy chairs in the locker room.
by LoneStarBallUser on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Bud Light commercial?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by Suicide Prince on Jul 17, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I just really hate Cuban. I won’t post about it anymore because I will admit that I can’t be even a little bit objective about him.
by LoneStarBallUser on Jul 17, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
do you hate him because he's a douche
or because he’s a bad owner? cause I don’t think this conversation has anything to do with how good of a guy he is…it’s about whether or not he’d be a good owner, and I think he’d be a great owner, personally
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Because he's a douche
A whiny ass punk douche. Like I said, because of that I can’t be objective. I freely admit it.
by LoneStarBallUser on Jul 17, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't ever change.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
There ya go
Bring the heat.
I don’t mind this. I’ve often complained about his temper tantrums.
That’s a separate issue from his skills as an owner though…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Better
Maybe Peter Holt will back-stop the purchase.
by Neftali's arm on Jul 17, 2010 3:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hard to deny the first part.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Sure it is
Nellie was far more responsible for the Mavs success in the past decade than Cuban.
by LoneStarBallUser on Jul 17, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but Cuban was ultimately the guy in charge,
and he’s kept it going. Even to the point of disregarding his petty spat with Nellie, and keeping Lil Nellie.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Yeah, but bad owners tend to run franchises into the ground... even when handed good assets
The Mavs get the most out of what they have, and that starts at the top.
Hey, like I said, I'm a fan,
just saying that the foundation was already there for him. Sorta like if he were to buy the Rangers right now…
I don't know..
…they really should have won against the Heat in the finals. And to take a team that has 3 good players like those and even get that close to winning a championship in the NBA is a lot harder than it is to actually win a World Series, in my opinion.
It’s a lot harder to get into the playoffs in baseball; it’s practically a joke in the NBA. However, if you look just at winning a championship, there’s far fewer mediocre teams winning an NBA title than winning a title in baseball (or football).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen.
I don’t see what all he has done with the Mavs that is worth imitating.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Finish in the top four teams in the league half the time or so.
Win more than one playoff game ever.
These are the Rangers, pretty much every other franchise in the world is worth imitating for them!
Isn't that kind of like
Doug Melvin winning with Tom Grieve’s players? Dirk, Nash, and Finley were already Mavs.
I’m not sure things would have turned out significantly differently had a caretaker owner bought them and left Nelson in charge.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
In this case it would be Cuban+Nolan+JD
winning with Nolan+JD’s players.
So other than Cuban’s douchey face getting to share the credit, no actual downside!
I.e., if he has the money to help make this thing end and ensure that the people currently running the team continue to run the team, it’s definitely a positive.
And I also like that he (his people) has (have) managed to keep the team competitive at least for playoff spots over a decade despite the core of the team changing multiple times.
Well,
since any owner who takes over will likely do fairly well initially with this group, then the owner really doesn’t matter.
So, not seeing Cuban’s Frankensteinian douchetastic face would be a plus.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
So to review
You don’t want an owner because of the faces he makes in the owner’s box? Even if this means less money (be it personal or from increased revenue streams) for the Rangers?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do we think
Cuban is going to kick in more money when they aren’t even talking about him being the managing partner? Unless Cuban controls the thing, which isn’t what I have heard, I can’t see him bringing his checkbook.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
That's why I said
(be it personal or from increased revenue streams)
I think it’s an almost certainty that Cuban could generate more revenue with the Rangers than Tom Hicks has, especially over the past few years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoever owns the team
in the future will see increased revenue streams from a playoff team.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I think Cuban would generate more money
But I don’t feel that strongly about it; we don’t know what Greenberg or others are capable of.
I definitely want to see a smart, savvy owner who is invested in the team though; I care about that more than their net worth.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like to see him come in as another investor to the Greenberg/Ryan group.
In whatever capacity. Imagine having a financial backing of Davis/Simpson/Cuban with Ryan/Daniels running the baseball operations and maybe Greenberg/Cuban handling the business/promotional/etc… side of things. That sounds EXTREMELY attractive to me.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Dave Barnett
Yeah, but
Nick Van Exel didn’t arrive until Cubes came. And Van Exel was THE SHIT!
AL West
Oakland 90-72
LAAA 88-74
Texas 83-79
Seattle 77-85
By: Josey Wales
Only Mav
To make a Jay Z song?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He's finished in the top four teams in the league...
…as defined by advancing to the Conference Finals twice.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops, meant conference. Stupid terminology differences.
I said that instead of “make the playoffs every year” because of the differences in playoff structures.
are you kidding?
I don’t see what all he has done with the Mavs that is worth imitating.
the mavs have won at least 50 games for 10 consecutive years. Only 3 other teams in NBA history have done that. Prior to Cuban’s tenure, they were one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports.
Nelson and the players were there before Cuban bought the team. When Cuban bought the team in 2000, he made an immediate impact:
Mavericks 99-2000 season
Before Cuban: 9-21
After Cuban: 31-21
And that’s including the horrible Dennis Rodman experiment during which the Mavs went 3-9. After they cut Rodman, they went on a furious run 11-2 run to close the season and finished 2 games out of a playoff spot. They’ve made it every year since.
As a Mavs fan, I can tell you, there are many things in this world that are worse than rooting for a team owned by Mark Cuban. He has been a really great owner.
nothing like cliffmas day!
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by 34express on Jul 17, 2010 11:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
hah
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
series update
1. check
2. check
3. it’s cliff lee, book a W
4. after 3 wins in boston, i could give a fuck the outcome
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
never book Ws
that didn’t exactly work against the Orioles and everyone thought it was a given. Saying that, I like our odds.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
you sound like my editor
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
God Dammit
I really wish people would stop citing a team’s record as an indicator of how a player is doing.
And individual W-L records
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by JukeboxJoe on Jul 17, 2010 11:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We should start e-mailing in
with our own awesome correlations that are almost as relative. The Rangers are 2-0 when I drink a Spaten before the game.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
during the 2010 british open,
the rangers are 2-0.
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
When Benjie hits a home run we are 2-0
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition)
And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56 on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 PM CDT
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
When morbidly obese people blow out hammies going for the cycle we are undefeated
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by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
When I have a bowel movement in the a.m.
This team is 52-38!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
by Rodney on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
you win. period.
and it isn’t even close
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
youre very regular
Oh say does that flag banner wave / Over a-a-all that's free / And the home of the land / And the land of the - FREE!
by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Chalked full of win
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition)
And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56 on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 PM CDT
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
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by texascowpunk on Jul 17, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Your first bowel movement
was in April, 2010?
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
I want to grab that belly.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
The last 45 feet to 3rd it was jiggling like Santy Clause
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
After Santy Clause had added a few pounds.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
and tanned a bit
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
they should have a "BobbleBelly" night for Benj
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Nadel's call of the triple
Evan_P_Grant
Wanna hear how a future Hall of Famer called Bengie Molina’s cycle? Click for Eric Nadel’s scintillating call: http://bit.ly/ckzRpC
respice adspice prospice
Just pull this up and let it loop, it has both TV & radio calls (and no Barnett!)
I have been for the last hour :)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9966159
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
i loved watching the broadcast of the game last night
after Molina hit his slam and Lewin was like, “Dare I say Molina is a triple shy of the cycle?” Tag and Lewin shared a laugh I think, knowing that wasnt even a possibility. Fucking Molina Cycle
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe this would be an instance in which "unpossible" would be rightly used.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
me fail English?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sad I missed last nights game
but I’m glad of the results, and the TAG and Josh call of the triple is hilarious
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
that whole night....
should have Molina fitting in well with this team and this magical journey we are on….
by death of the cool on Jul 17, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Ownership question....
if Greenberg/Ryan group had added $25-30 million to their bid, this thing would have been resolved months ago, right?
"No nuts, no glory"
And would it still be as worthwhile an investment at that price?
I.e., would it hinder their ability to spend on payroll.
yeah, you would have to assume that $30 mil
would have been allocated differently, from the payroll to the purchase. wouldn’t have been the best-case scenario. but, at least it wouldn’t have been this either…
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah....
if they can’t get that $25-30 million, I really can’t believe them when they say “we are going to increase payroll”.
As I said before, I am now rooting for the owner with the most money who will keep JD.
"No nuts, no glory"
That doesn't really follow.
if they can’t get that $25-30 million, I really can’t believe them when they say "we are going to increase payroll".
Having enough money to purchase and operate a team given a certain sale price is not the same as having unlimited money.
$25-30....
if a bidder can’t increase their bid by $25-30 to get a sale done, I got serious questions about the bidders financial backings.
"No nuts, no glory"
Why?
I think most of us really just want the Rangers to incrementally increase payroll to get to where they’re spending similar portions of their revenue on the team as most teams. We also assume that this more competitive team, excitement from new ownership, and hopefully the business savvy of the new owner will dramatically increase revenues.
I’m not expecting an owner like Cuban or some such who is ok with taking large losses every year. I think this organization is good enough to compete with average, smart investment…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not...
get the owner with the most money? Crane obviously has more money (and had the higher bid) than the Greenberg/Ryan group. As I said above, I still want JD as the GM (really don’t give a shit if Ryan stays or not) but we don’t know what Crane is going to do with the FO.
I don’t know why people are looking at Greenberg as some sort of savior. I guess it has to do something with him being a nice guy and showing up for the Newberg thing.
"No nuts, no glory"
Because
The owner with the most money doesn’t really have any (strong) correlation to how he will run the team. There’s lots of things to consider with an owner; while how much they are worth is one, it’s probably not even the most important one.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Carl Pohlad was one of the richest owners in baseball, and he didn’t want to spend money on his team, and in fact was willing to sell the team to MLB to be contracted.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 17, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
There is nothing obvous about what you said.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 17, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, obviously
/Campo
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Why are you completely eliminating the possibility that they don't think it would make financial sense to do so?
Especially when it’s still not yet clear that they will be required to spend 30M more if they want to end up with the team.
Hicks seems like the sort who would’ve been willing to borrow an extra 30M just to get the deal done quickly, but isn’t that exactly the same sort of thing that got him into trouble? Do we really want another financially reckless owner?
This
If they can get the team for the original price in the end then why would they just automatically up their bid and throw and extra $30 mil at when in the end they may not have needed to.
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by enrico pallazzo on Jul 17, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a big difference
between if they CAN add $30 million and if the Rangers would still be a good investment at the higher price.
It’s like being pre-approved for a $300,000 home loan, and making an offer of $250,000 on a house that is worth $250,000 based on what the comps have sold for, etc. If the owner of the house wants $300,000, you CAN raise your bid to that, but it would be dumb because the house is worth $250,000.
No they did not have the money
They needed to add investor’s. IIRC they bid their maxiumum and have not been able to add much additional (3MM or so) even in the re-structure.
Have
fun hitting Lackey tonight!
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions
we know he'll have fun hitting us
see: kinsler, ian
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha
I forgot all about that :D
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
ha
I was at that game. Took him 2 pitches to bean him.
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by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 17, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i was there also. so much fun
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
if i never read the words 'Game Score' again,
i’d be a happy man
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
THIS
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition)
And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56 on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 PM CDT
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
I was also there
I go to one or two games a year and was at that one and the one where the lights went out last year
But how?
I just don’t like our odds against a legit ace, even if he is the No. 3 pitcher for you behind the Beckett and Lester. It’s so crazy how the Red Sox always make such smart decisions and never make a mistake giving out money.
Wait, what’s that? Lackey’s 4.39 FIP and 4.98 xFIP are higher than any of the current Ranger starters? ESPN LIED TO ME!?!?! Noooooooooooooooo!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yep...
Lackey is an overpaid #4 starter at best.
I wish the Red sox traded for Micheal Young when he was available.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 17, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Uhhhhh
I wish you were running the Sox.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 17, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll toss in a 12 pack of Harpoon IPA
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
What are your thoughts on Dog Fish Head 90 minute?
It’s my new favorite IPA
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the 60, can't find the 90
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
there's a bar here in uptown (Idle Rich)
that has the 90. fucking delicious
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
90 is good.
120 is good once every 6 months.
60 is good every night.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
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by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I need to try the 120.
it sounds aggressive
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Sit down first
It’s good, but it’s pretty intense.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm all sorts of excited to try this now
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much all of their stuff is good
They’re my favorite brewery. If you can get a chance, try some of their more limited release stuff. It’s. Just. Amazing!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
just curious, but my only experience
with the dog fish head is at a bar. I’ve seen the 60 minute at like albertsons, but where can you find a better selection of their stuff? liquor store?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Although finding the 90 is somewhat difficult, and the 120 moreso.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
yeah, this makes sense,
though it sucks ass.
i’m a young drinker, so these IPA’s are new to me, but i’m taking them in stride
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I just got into IPAs a few months ago, I'm no expert
HuggyBear is though.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Heh
Hardly. Those dudes over at LL have probably tried 3 or 4 times as many as I have…stupid Northwest US residents and their access to a plethora of good breweries!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, we are somewhat at a disadvantage there
Massive heat usually equals more ales, pilsners, and such.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
True
But the Oktoberfest beers from the German communities are pretty fantastic.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I worked a booth at Oktoberfest in Addison one year
Well, my friend worked it, I just got massively trashed for free and tried about 30 different beers, I loved it.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Hahaha
I haven’t been to their’s. Wurstfest in New Braunfels is a family tradition for my wife’s family…one that I readily support.
50 years this year!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the date this year?
I need to take more time off anyway.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
2 weekends
October 29-Nov 7
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Cool, thanks
I’ll calender it.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
hey man...where do you live?
go to a nice liquor store, they’ll have the 90’s (usually come in a 4-pack) and the 120’s come in a big ass bottle.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
uptown dallas
i just haven’t looked for them in a liquor store yet, i just wanted to make sure i could find them there. I literally started drinking the 90 minute maybe 2 weeks ago, and fell in love.
PS., I love big ass bottles of beer
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's totally the way to go for this stuff
Though you can get the 120 in 4 packs like you can the 90.
La Fin Du Monde comes in 4 packs now as well; though most of Unibroue’s stuff comes in the big bottle. Check out Central Market as well…sometimes they have better prices.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know the 120's came in 4's
Learn something every day kids.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
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by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
I think i could talk about beer all day long
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh. Yeah
I was just skimming on my phone, but once the beer talk blew up, I had to get onto my computer.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the bottle of 120 goes for 15 bucks or so, could be off a couple bucks either way.
I’d do the 90 first, then the 120.
Like ghettoboy says, take it easy on the 120, it’ll put your dick in the dirt if you aren’t careful.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Although they carry both 60 and 90 minute at the HEBs down here. I haven’t really looked up there, but I know that Spec’s Liquor stores down here carry it. It’s expensive, but it should last you some time.
There’s some who even like to ‘age’ them, though I think that’s more for stouts.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Had a 2002 bottle of Sierra Nevada Bigfoot a while ago
Shit blew my mind
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 1:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha
That was my first experience with the 120 minute IPA as well.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen the movie Beer Wars?
Sam Caglione from Dogfish Head was one of the main guys in it. Seems like a cool dude.
Kind of an infuriating movie though. Made me never want to drink an Anheuser/Coors/Milller product again.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep meaning to put that in the queue...worth seeing?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
definitely
I was in the same indifferent boat, but got a complimentary “digi-player” on a plane and it was the only interesting thing on there. If you’re into the beer scene, it’s a must-see.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
done.
thanks.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I just saw the title for the first time when I was pasting the stuff from Dogfish Head’s wiki page.
Why was it infuriating?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Just all the underhanded stuff
that the Big Guys do to keep the Little Guys down. One of the subplots was a depressing story of a woman basically destroying her life and family to run her own brewery and dealing with bullshit litigation and stuff from the macro companies.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Dogfish subplot was really uplifting though
talking about turning down buyouts and being more interested in both making good beer and making good beer more available. Fighting the good fight.
Funny thing was that it was made by the ex-CEO of Mike’s Hard Lemonade. I had no idea they were an independent company- figured they were a subdivision of one of the big guys.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard that one of the beers they make
Is not profitable at all. Maybe the 120 minute? I can’t remember…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh, my bad
Total misread. I thought you said it made you want to go back to Coors/Bud.
Wow, that’s pretty crazy. It’s nuts that they would actively go out against them instead of just using their bigger advert funds to overwhelm them. Most people don’t want a $2.50/bottle beer from the grocery store…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
well yeah
most of it is just that- overwhelming them with advertising and cost-cutting on the actual product. Then buying them out once they’re big enough to pose a threat.
But I’ve heard several stories of huge companies filing ridiculous trademark suits and such knowing that they have no real merit but the small company can’t afford to fight it.
by snake oil pete on Jul 17, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Goody Goody
has them all. At least the one close to my house does
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by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 17, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm taking notes
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by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 17, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The list of
pretty available IPAs that you must try:
Stone IPA
Ruination IPA
Bear Republic Racer 5
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye
Sierra Nevada Torpedo
Green Flash West Coast IPA
Avery IPA
Ska’s Modus Hoperandi (Can even get it in cans!)
Lagunitas IPA
All of these can be had at the local Central Market or Whole Foods.
There may be some others I’m forgetting.
Right now, I have a chilled bottle of Russian River’s Pliny the Elder in my fridge. No, nobody can have it.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 17, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Pliny!
I’ve been dying to try it!
That’s a pretty good list. I assume you mean in addition to Dogfish Head’s line. Avery is on the list to try; I’ve seen Ska’s better never thought to try. That good, eh?
I haven’t had the Lagunitas, but one of the large bottles is sitting my fridge right now. Perhaps a Cliffmas gift to myself? Hmmm….
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 17, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Pliny
is the nectar of the gods. Before I had it the first time, there were huge expectations and it exceeded them. I brought back a bottle from my last business trip to to San Diego (I went, yet again, to the Stone Brewery for a visit). If you are ever there, let me know because I know the best beer store in the world, and it’s downtown. I also brought back a bottle of Alpine Beer Company’s Nelson IPA. It was literally one of the best beers I’ve ever had.
I would also add Stone’s Sublimely Self- Righteous Ale to the list, which is a black IPA and is just terrific. I had it at the brewery straight out of the conditioning tank and it was also one of the top 5 beers I’ve ever had. You can get bombers of them here now.
Dogfish head is pretty good, but I actually like the West Coast IPA style bette