A Defense of Chris Davis
Chris Davis has been terrible at the plate this season, I think we all understand that. He is going to have to produce far beyond his current level of production for him to have any kind of value for this team. The question is whether or not he can reach that level of production; something even remotely similar to his lines at AAA. My initial question to you is simple: do you like what Nelson Cruz is doing for this team right now? You probably do. I am going to use Nelson Cruz as the paradigm of hope for Chris Davis' future in Major League Baseball.
I think that the complaining about Chris Davis' current incompetence at the plate by fans is probably at a greater level than for any Rangers player in my lifetime. I think that the level of disdain towards Davis is partially due to the fact that the Rangers are winning, so more people are paying attention. Also, I think some of it can be attributed to myths about the necessity of offensive production from certain positions, and to the fact that he is a big, intimidating looking person at the plate, so people notice when somebody like that fails repeatedly.
However, I am tired of so much complaining for different reasons than the ones stated above. I am tired of it because I started thinking of the last time there was a lot of unhappiness with one of our young players who was thought to be a potential slugger at the major league level. Nelson Cruz came to mind. Remember the seasons when Cruz would be mashing at AAA, we would call him up during a series in Kansas City, he would hit a couple home runs in KC to get us all excited, and then he would proceed to fail? I do not think we would be in such a good spot today if we had given up on Nelson Cruz. I think that there is a real possibility that Chris Davis could follow the Nelson Cruz career path. Let's look at some stats.
- Nellie in 2006: AAA: .302/.378/.528 in 371 ABs. MLB: .223/.261/.385 in 130 ABs.
- Nellie in 2007: AAA: .352/.428/.698 in 162 ABs. MLB: .235/.287/.384 in 307 ABs.
- Davis in 2009: AAA: .327/.418/.521 in 165 ABs. MLB: .238/.284/.442 in 391 ABs.
- Davis in 2010: AAA: .354/.403/.555 in 263 ABs. MLB: .169/.244/.234 in 77 ABs.
Those stats do not include the decent level of success Davis had in the Majors in 2008, just in case you want to attribute that season to pitchers not having a book on the Longview, TX native.
The statheads among us may point out that Davis has had a bit more strikeouts at every level, which could be an indicator of an inability to adjust to Major League pitching in the future. While that may be an argument with some merit, I would counter it by pointing out something which is likely unrelated to K's, but its importance balances out the strikeout argument in my mind. I would point out that Nelson Cruz was age 25 in 2006, and 26 in '07. Chris Davis was 23 last season, and is 24 this year. Davis has 2 more years than Nelson did to figure it out, that's kind of a big deal.
Some may say that while Chris Davis may indeed improve, like Nelson did, in the long-term, that it is not worth finding out in the short-term, during a contending year like this. I would say that our lineup, as currently configured, is already far and away better than any line up in the American League, save the Yankees and Red Sox, who we are just as good as.
I am of the opinion that most supposed "AAAA" players gained that label unfairly by getting called up after having abnormal success in AAA. I don't think that those players actually get that much better during a season, but they just happen to have a large portion of their total season success during a certain part of the year at AAA, causing them to get called up. When they get called up, they suddenly start moving towards their expected season totals because their stats have to even out at some point. This makes their Major League totals look bad, and they are then usually called "AAAA" players. Let me be clear that I know that this is not always true, for I know all about Jason Botts.
Chris Davis could be Jason Botts, but he could also be Nelson Cruz. I think it is worth it for the Rangers to see if he is Nelson Cruz, because he already has more in common with Nelson Cruz, he can play good DEFENSE. And on that note, I will end my DEFENSE of Chris Davis.
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Let's DFA Davis
just like Nellie then he’ll turn it around and be an all-star next year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
haha
yikes… forgot about that… but the point remains.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 20, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Offensively Speaking...
…Crush is having problems. But, we’ve seen other teams win Championships with guys like Bye Bye Balboni at the slugging 1B position. With all the other firepower Crush is surrounded by, maybe we can take a Mulligan there just to keep Crush’s glove in the lineup.
Also, it’s possible Crush is a little intimidated by the likes of sluggers Hambone, Vladdy & Nellie and pluggers like MY, Ian, Elvis and the Murph. Once Crush’s confidence begins to approach his real ability (which I think is HUGE), his success rate will rise accordingly.
Right now, he probably just feels like he doesn’t fit and is pressing way to hard to show he belongs. Back him off a bit – promise him the job is his and that his PRIMARY function is to protect Ian, Elvis and MY as they make those throws over to 1B. Any offense he adds will just be gravy on those potatoes. Once he lets his natural abilities come through, he’ll be not “just fine” but awesome.
Gold Gloves to follow…
Go Crush!
Go Rangers!!!
If at first you don't succeed, try the outfield! -- Ed
...oh yeah...
You CANNOT DFA Crush… he’d get yanked off the team quicker’n snot out yer nose in a big sneeze…
If at first you don't succeed, try the outfield! -- Ed
Nelson Cruz didn't start playing baseball until he was 18 years old
Not a good comp.
by Black Francis on Jul 20, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
so
because Nelson Cruz didn’t start playing baseball until he was 18, he couldn’t adjust to the Majors quickly? but he could adjust to AAA just fine?
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
how does that work?
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
culmination of experience you racist fuck.
by Black Francis on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers sucked back in '06 and '07.
Right now they are favored to win the AL West. They need production from 1B and I am not confident CD can provide it.
why do they need
production from 1B in specific?
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
this
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Like I'm gonna read something that long authored by you.
I wouldn’t trade Michael Main straight up for Bengie Molina, even if my alternate catcher was a pointed stick. - KLaw
by LSJ on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure...
he slipped in Jesus and Ronald Reagan somewhere in the middle of that too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
i haha'ed
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Jul 21, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
i think
that you should. give me a chance.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I clicked on the post. knowing it was you.
And expecting. a trainwreck.
I was correct.
This is my favorite part:
The statheads among us may point out that Davis has had a bit more strikeouts at every level, which could be an indicator of an inability to adjust to Major League pitching in the future. While that may be an argument with some merit, I would counter it by pointing out something which is likely unrelated to K’s, but its importance balances out the strikeout argument in my mind.
You recognized the primary counterargument against you, which is good, and you chose to counter it with an argument that you admitted has nothing to do with that same argument.
“The economists among us may point out that jobless claims in the economy have been falling for several months now, which may indicate that either people are leaving the workforce or the job market is recovering. While each may be an argument with some merit, I would like to counter it by pointing out something which is likely unrelated to employment, but its importance balances the jobless claim argument in my mind. Ponies are pretty.”
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aqua on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
false analogy
and “Ponies are pretty” gives no counter to the unemployment. “Ponies are pretty” has no advantage over any other thing. It is a statement.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The random period makes that ascend to a level of unintentional comedic awesomeness previously unattained in the history of this site.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
While I'm not about to say Davis will never be good. . .
. . . using a single player who turned things around isn’t a very good defense. It’s more like a hopeful example of what might happen.
I'm a HUGE Davis fan, but I don't think he will find success here in Texas
I want him to, and I believe he has improved his approach at the plate over a SSS. It appears from watching him and without getting the stats to back it up, that he is seeing more pitches and taking some close balls. It seems to have sapped his power. I say this without having seen his 2B last night. MLB.tv came back from commercial w/ Davis @ 3rd and 1 out.
Exactly
A lot of very smart baseball people passed on Cruz for a reason… rarely to players fail in the bigs at that age, and with that long of an opportunity, and then turn into a superstar. It just doesn’t happen, and to say that Davis should do that is way too optimistic.
perhaps
AAA mashers should get a more extended opportunity in the Bigs, regardless of initial failure.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
if that were true for every player, Jason Botts would be an 3 time all-star by now
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
ProfessorParks The future 1B of the Texas Rangers is not currently in their system or on the 25 man. Chris Davis of ’10 is not the same Davis as ’08.
Pretty safe to say
It’s unlikely CD pulls it together here. There’s always a chance, but It’s a low one.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Ouch.
That’s a pretty bad burn, ‘cause Prof. Sex usually don’t like to say damning things about players.
Ouch for Mitch the Mailman too.
I wouldn’t trade Michael Main straight up for Bengie Molina, even if my alternate catcher was a pointed stick. - KLaw
1b is a position of some depth this off season.
We’ll snag someone, but who is anyone’s guess.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see us make a run at bringing C-Pen back to the Rangers org.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
How many will be worth the money they get in FA?
Garrett Atkins (31) – $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Lance Berkman (35) – $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Wilson Betemit (29)
Hank Blalock (30)
Russell Branyan (35) – $5MM mutual option
Jorge Cantu (29)
Frank Catalanotto (37)
Adam Dunn (31)
Troy Glaus (34)
Wes Helms (35)
Eric Hinske (33)
Aubrey Huff (34)
Mike Jacobs (30)
Nick Johnson (32) – $5.5MM mutual option with a $250K buyout
Paul Konerko (35)
Adam LaRoche (31) – $7.5MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout
Derrek Lee (35)
Doug Mientkiewicz (37)
Kevin Millar (39)
Lyle Overbay (34)
Carlos Pena (33)
Albert Pujols (31) – $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout
Fernando Tatis (36)
Chad Tracy (31)
Ty Wigginton (33)
I'd like to target Berkman, I think
If the Astros buy out his contract, can they still offer him arb? I wouldn’t give up picks to get him, but he’d be a nice addition.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Too much money
He’s only getting 3mil this year after tepid interest. Not that I wouldn’t want him though.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He won't get that much.
At least hopefully not from us.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm starting to get a semi at the idea of Dunn here
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
I love Dunn, but as a DH
I don’t think he should ever be on the field if he plays for an AL team
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Hmmm...
maybe Cantu if the price is right, that list doesn’t do much for my penis though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Paul Konerko
FTW
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 21, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm confused, kid
you’re post is about supporting chris davis, but you’re saying paul konerko ftw? make up your mind
Rangers FTW
Benji Gil
might have been hated more… (and he has a ring, that fuck)
or Dean Palmer… I know he had more success, but I hated that fuck…
or 1st iteration Darren Oliver (circa 1997-1998). God I hated when he came out to pitch
How did you hate Dean Palmer??!?
I was really young, so maybe I missed something… but I LOVED that guy
+1
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Dean-O!!!
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 21, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent question
How can anyone hate Dean Palmer?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by Suicide Prince on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Cuz he used
a rusty skillet for a glove?
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
exactly...
He never seemed to get a hit when it mattered… and Will Clark just watching the ball sail over his head into the stands?
But mainly, the reason I hated Dean Palmer was that I hated him so much and then he would do something like hit a game-winning homerun so then I couldn’t even hate him any more. That was fucking frustrating.
Everytime I see the R. Lee Ermey commercial
where he is a psychiatrist, I laugh to myself. Then I think maybe he should sit down with Chris Davis and give him a talk.
jeez
what about SALTY
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
tl;dr
Chris Davis sucks and there is no defending him. He has a terrible eye, he can’t lay off shitty pitches, and he has no bat speed. He is never going to figure it out. That is all.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
why will he never figure it out?
he did in ’08. Nelson Cruz struggled his first two times in the majors.
I believe in Chris Davis.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
by dstar442005 on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a 30.9% LD rate in AAA...
I am fairly certain it takes bat speed to do that.
"No nuts, no glory"
hit post too soon
It’s nothing physical. I think he has the bat speed to hit. Right now he is thinking too much and concentrating on seeing pitches. We have to hope he is able to adjust.
I think that's a pretty myopic
but hey, it’s the internet – you can afford to do that on here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not going to be better than Smoak.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
trick statement
he didn’t say “better” – he said last longer
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope to God that he figures it out.
I really do like CD… but he has been bringing a big bag of suck to the ballpark this year (last night excluded).
A 3-HR game against Jered Weaver would go a long way in silencing his critics...
Just trying to plant a seed of hope in case he’s reading this.
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
With all the hate flying around towards your post...
I’m hoping the positive works out for the kid
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
I'd love it if someone would
come up with a real defense of Chris Davis. It’d make me feel better.
This didn’t.
There is no real defense of Chris Davis.
He is playing shitty right now. We are in the middle of a pennant race and he is basically a black hole in our line up, while playing a position that is traditionally known for its offensive production. We also traded one of our top prospects that played the same position as he did to get Cliff Lee, which I think is making people even more critical of him. If we were 15 games under .500, it would be fine to keep trotting him out there every day to try, but we are in first place and have a legitimate shot to have a deep playoff run, so there is no way you can defend the fact that he is playing every day and hitting the way he is. He is only 24, so there is always the chance that eventually he could turn it around and become a decent every day player on a big league roster, unfortunately, the Rangers aren’t really in a position where they can wait on him to turn it around.
by michael bluth on Jul 22, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers are in a position where they have to wait on him to turn it around
That is the price we had to pay to have Cliff Lee pitching for us this year. Fortunately, it’s an overall plus for this year since Smoak was performing any better. After this year that could be a different story. Smoak appears to have a higher chance of turning it around and haunting us for the next few years, but for this year it is a wash. We are better for this year with Davis at first and Lee on our team.
His defense is his Defense
At least at this time. He is a much better 1B than Smoak and has more agility than Smoak will ever have. Michael Young (at least when he catches the ball) looks like a much better 3B with Davis fielding his poor throws. To a lesser extent Kinsler and Andrus are also better not to mention the pitchers.
Postseason is more reliant on sound pitching & defense, than on offense, and unearned runs will kill you in a playoff run.
I still have every confidence that CD will find his stroke and until then We Got Lee
by MasterOfPuppets on Jul 22, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis will show signs of life at the plate in the next couple months
And will be a force to be reckoned with come playoff time. Will carry the team’s offensive categories in postseason and become WS MVP.
We’ll all look back and laugh about this thread.
I’m already laughing.
That is because you are crazy.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
That's cute.....Davis's mom posts on LSB
I might be the biggest Davis fine here, but not even I’m delusional enough to believe that.
Pass me some of whatever you're smoking.
It must be some really good shit.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

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