Angels reportedly acquire Dan Haren
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:26 PM CDT
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PrintDan Haren has reportedly been traded to the Anaheim Angels, for Joe Saunders and three others. Pat Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named later per one report.
I'm floored, if this is true...
The once exception is if the player to be named later is Mike Trout. If he signed after July 25 of last year (he was a 2009 draftee), he can't be traded yet, and would have to be a player to be named later.
But Saunders has no value, and the other guys in the deal aren't overwhelming. Trout has to be the centerpiece of this deal, or else the D-Backs got screwed.
UPDATE -- Trout signed on July 2, 2009, so he wouldn't have to be a Player to be Named Later to be included in this deal.
UPDATE II -- I went to see where Haren was in FanGraphs' top 50 trade value series, and was surprised to see that he didn't make the cut. Here's Dave Cameron's explanation:
The other name pitcher who didn’t make the cut was Dan Haren. While his ERA is higher than usual this year, his underlying performance shows that he’s still one of the better pitchers in the game, and he’s proven to be a durable workhorse. However, when I talked with folks in MLB about him, the reaction to what they’d give up for him was surprisingly lukewarm.
The main issue that was brought up is that he’s a guy whose best skill is command and has achieved most of his success in the National League. There’s a good amount of skepticism about NL arms without top-shelf stuff, and Haren was lumped into that category. Combine that with his escalating salaries (he’s due $40 million over the next three seasons), and I just couldn’t get anyone in the game to get very excited about giving up premium talent to acquire him.
I was pretty surprised, honestly. He started out in the 30s on my original list, but by the end of the weekend, he just missed the cut. The sense that I got in Anaheim was that guys like us like him more than major league teams do.
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Said this in the other thread.
I want to be the first to say,
Fuck Dan Haren.
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Everyone drooling two nights ago
Can go ahead and take this to support my words, this thing aint over yet… Not even close…
Tommy, go do your thing bud.
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by FormerLSBUser on Jul 25, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
That's....
Shit, forgot about the moratorium on that.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Wow
If Trout isn’t the PTBNL that interim GM should be banned from ever holding a baseball job again. What a terrible job.
I'm going to be pissed if Trout isn't in this deal.
We could have put a package like that on the table for him. It really doesn’t matter because they still are not a very good team. Just makes the rest of the games against them more fun. I would love for him and Lee to go toe to toe.
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we could easily have beaten that package
But we couldn’t take on the salary.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Fucking Tom Hicks
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I really hate that man.
I genuinely wish ill upon him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Fuck this
What the fuck kind of dirt do the Angels have on the D-Backs to compel them to pull the trigger on this?
Fuck me.
Unless Trout isinvolved. Then I laugh. And laugh.
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by Conjunction on Jul 25, 2010 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Really?
I dunno…it certainly evens it out some, but I don’t see how Saunders/Trout is such a huge win for the DBacks.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 25, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
stout rotation
Weaver, Haren, Ervin is a pretty tough trio at the top of the rotation.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Lee, Lewis, CJ and Hunter are better...
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Not to mention if Holland comes back healthy.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I just don't understand this deal
Neither Patrick Corbin or Rafael Rodriguez are considered elite prospects (or even good prospects in that case) and Joe Sanders? Really?
I’m just speechless…
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What would be an equal offer
From the rangers (pretending for a second we could add salary)?
by Prescott73 on Jul 25, 2010 6:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tom Hicks fucking everything up comes back to bite us ...again..
Could you imagine Lee, Haren, Hunter, Lewis, Wilson
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
Well
If Trout is the PTBNL, then a comparable package from us would have included Martin Perez.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently its being reported....
Trout isn’t the PTBNL. Says D-Backs have a list of players to pick from
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This sucks. I hate Tom Hicks
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Join the club brotha. Go do something to him Boomer, I've had enough.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
I've been by his house several times while working in Dallas
I should go spray paint porn on his Huge fence.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Jul 25, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was sitting in Section 32 last night
A row behind the owners box. All game I waited for Hicks to show up…
Never did though, or I be in jail right now
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by SCDP on Jul 25, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bitch slap that fucker for everyone here.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
and I'd be good for some of the bail money
As would everyone here…..
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by Captain Fubar on Jul 25, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the report from Nick Piecoro, D-Back's beat writer
Not going to be Mike Trout. Dbacks have a list to pick. Not sure when they have to decide.
http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro
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Pat Corbin, Rafael Rodriquez
Comps in our system?
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skinny chad bell
with projection. Dominating in High A right now, just turned 21. Seems a solid bet to be an AA #3. Should be comfortably in their top 10 as of mid-season.
Bell comp for Corbin
Rody seems like a very fringy setup guy (25.5 a/o 4/1) who sucked for their the LAA pen last year. He seems to have Omar’s repertoire with a couple of tics less velo but less promise it would seem.
So I go to HH to see what they have to say about this
Nothing. Nice blog there.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Can players be traded while on the DL?
could the PTBNL be someone like morales?
Thought so
damn the PTBNL better be someone good
Justin Thompson in the Juando deal.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
No worries we will sign Lee in the offseason.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
11 more games counting tonight with the Angels.
6-5 and they don’t make up any ground over that time. Unless they can play .600 ball the rest of the way and we only play .500 they won’t catch us. Now on the other hand they could catch one of the teams in the East.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
But....But.... Saunders and Haren have the same era!
This doesn’t make sense at all. Wasn’t the price for Haren supposed to be higher than Lee?
I’m dumbfounded.
Me too
Read my update, though, about why Cameron didn’t include him in the top 50 trade value series.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused by this statement
There’s a good amount of skepticism about NL arms without top-shelf stuff, and Haren was lumped into that category
He was pretty good in Oakland and all his peripherals indicate that he does have top-shelf stuff.
Weird.
Sadly...
that (ERA) along with probably Saunders’ W-L record the last couple years, and dumping Haren’s contract, is probably why the deal was made.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Does this trade really help the Angels?
Haren can’t hit, his second half numbers are annually bad and he is having a down year.. They need a bat not a slightly above average pitcher
by NellieCruzin4abruisn on Jul 25, 2010 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Haren has been worth 12.6 WAR the last two years
and he’s signed through 2012 with a club option for 2013.
Even if he sucks this year, this is a huge deal for them moving forward.
Holy Balls
Yes, yes it freaking does.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 25, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably better than Davis at the moment, but
not worth overpaying for, I don’t think. What would the cost for those 2 vs. Laroche be? Especially if the new gm in Arizona is doing this kind of trade….
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
Not really
this is probably comparable to Feldman, Robbie Ross, Joe Wieland, PTBNL.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Ross + Wieland > Rodriguez + Corbin
And Feldman > Saunders
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
In what I've read about Corbin...
“He has a high 80’s to low 90’s fastball, a slurvy breaking ball, and the makings of a superb change-up” according to HH. They listed him as their 22 prospect
He’s in High A ball, but he’s also 21. Don’t know who to comp him to
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Comps
Maybe Feldman plus Wieland and Boscan instead of Ross.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 25, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, are you lumping Ross and/or Wieland with Rodriguez?
Dude is a 25 year old reliver in AAA. More like a throw-in in the trade
I would think more of a Pedro Strop as a good comp for him
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Oswalt
I would rather have Oswalt over Haren
by Darrell McKown on Jul 25, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oswalt
He’s been better this year, and 2012 is an option vs. guaranteed.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 25, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's defensible, I guess
but looking at Haren’s peripherals, age and contract, I’d prefer him.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
That's borderline crazy
You have to assume Oswalt’s spike in K/9 this year is going to stick as he ages…I don’t think that’s very likely.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 25, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
This is beyond shit.
Eh, just win this fucking thing anyway.
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by jonthefon on Jul 25, 2010 5:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
$12.5 million for 2011 and 2012
An option for, I think, $15.5 million for 2013.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Three more years after this year.
Yeah, this sucks.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This is becoming a trend.
The D’Backs have lost Scherzer and Haren and gotten big bags of nothing in return.
Time to fire the GM then.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This is bad
Not necessarily for this year but…fuck…
LOL Dbacks
2 1/2 yrs after trading
Anderson, Carter, Gonzalez (later Taylor), Smith, Cunningham, Eveland, Smith for Haren
Fuck them the Rangers are the better team
I’m not scared of them or and other team. FUCK the ANGELS, their fans, theirs franchise and the stupid FUCKING RALLY MONKEY!
We got this!
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Jul 25, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Who's running the DBacks in the interim?
Let’s offer them Arias and Murphy for Justin Upton.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
It's weird how trades at first don't make any sense and you think it's a typo
but then you wonder if you just don’t see it the same way that others do
SI_JonHeyman
sounds like #dbacks did well getting saunders and 3 top prospects. will choose 4th player from short list
Not that he’s right, just that it is probably accurate
"Top prospects"
is evidently a very subjective term in Heyman’s world.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Patrick Corbin
Went and looked at him…he’s actually doing pretty well in the Cal League. 20 year old lefty.
Saunders blows, though, and Rafael Rodriguez appears to be a random arm.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So
I think Dayton Moore’s title of worst GM has been usurped.
That's why they call them business sox
I don't know
Hard to beat Yuni Escobar
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This would
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 25, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think this is that big of deal. Especially not for this year.
They’re still seven back in the lost column with a chance to be eight back after tonight. They have to play some mighty fine baseball, and we have to be below average for them to have a decent shot at catching this. Haren is not going to be a big difference in that.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I only don't see it as a huge deal for upcoming years because I think our new ownership
Will do all they can and more to improve us this off-season. To me this is the Angels trying to get a head start.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I'm still not sure when the ownership situation gets resolved
much less have any confidence in the new owners (whoever they might be) at this point.
I kind of feel the ownership is on the right track now.
That is more just a feeling after the last session a few days ago. But whoever it is I am pretty certain they’ll do all they can to improve the team. They want to make a good impression I’m sure. Plus that is want good teams do.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
...Rangers not exactly synonymous with good teams.
Of course, a lot of that is because Hicks is among (If not the) worst owners in sports. But still, I have no confidence moving forward.
It's a big deal in that it probably makes then a couple wins better going forward.
The Rangers are still overwhelming favorites, but it’s a little less comfortable.
by then the Rangers can sign their own Haren..and then some
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
Some fans let loyalty cloud their judgment, it seems
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Someone made it and posted it in a postgame thread last year
It amused me. I saved it and laugh at it all the time. If anyone knows who made it, I’d love to give them proper credit.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
why not Hunter over Haren?
Just cause the guy is still young doesnt mean a damn thing. Hunter pitched well last year and a hell of alot better this year. The guy is 8-0 with a 2.31 ERA. I could care less if he doesn’t have a big name like Haren, cause he is pitching better than Haren.
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Ben Badler put it best...
BenBadler
There’s a better chance of a unicorn and a dragon being involved in this trade than Mike Trout. He’s not going anywhere, folks
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That's silly.
The D-Backs have a choice of EITHER a dragon or a unicorn. Crossing my fingers they take a dragon. I trust a Nellie Cruz shot can subdue it by smashing through its magic scale.
I'm kind of split
I mean Unicorn’s have that horn and they’re all magical and shit, but dragon’s can breath fire. They have magic as well. It comes down to whether you favor the horn or breathing fire.
Unicorn = Ultimate Magic
Their stare can turn your blood to jelly beans. You don’t even want to imagine how that feels.
really? I liked them.
The longer they take to release this 4th book though, the less likely I am to read it.
Oh my god
That may be the worst movie I’ve ever seen. The race is between Eragon and Jumper.
Holy crap, I hated that thing. And It’s a shame; all 3 books were good. The series had potential on the silver screen.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
yeah, they left so much out in the movie
It was like they hit their time limit and just decided to end the movie. There was no way they could have made the sequel and followed the books.
And the characters
were so awful. Their version of Saphira was an abortion.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
They, are very, very formulaic
The author just took elements from a handful of popular fantasy and sci fi stories and threw them together.
And his prose is godawful. Way too flowery. It’s like the very definition of purple prose.
Didn't a 15 or 16 year old write those?
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Still
I’m not sure what you’re expecting.
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Decent writing?
At least past the level of what they teach you to avoid in high school creative writing?
High schoolers generally can't write.
The fact that some kid got published and widely distributed probably means he’s at least better than you’re giving him credit for.
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
His first one was originally published by his parents. It wasn’t until years later that a bigger publishing company picked it up, and that probably never would have happened without the initial help.
Not everything that is published is actually good. Not everything that is popular is good. Look at Twilight. It’s a poorly written mess, with shitty, one dimensional characters and it is absolutely huge.
Seems weird.
Isn’t that the hallmark of children/preteen books? The general assumption is, I guess, that kids either can’t understand or don’t care about multi-dimensional characters.
You’re holding some shitty book about dragons to much too high a standard, I think.
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
There are much better YA writers out there.
Much, much better. Ones that understand that people of that age can understand better characters and writing. Some that to this day I still read.
It just bugs me when obviously inferior stuff becomes widely accept. When things that are obvious rip-offs with shallow mary sue characters take off.
Oh, and because when I was young and stupid I wasted money on the first two books in the series.
Well
To paraphrase t ball from another context: popularity has nothing to do with fairness.
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
True enough.
There is a reason I can count on people to inevitably be stupid. I just need to remember that that applies to entertainment as well.
yeah, the first one
and then then a new one every couple years. The 4th one is supposed to be out this fall, but I haven’t seen a release date yet.
yeah, you know more about writing than me.
It either entertains me, or it doesn’t. Those are the only books like that I have read. A friend tried to get me to read Dune series while we were deployed, but I couldn’t get into it. I have read almost every John Grisham book written though.
i'm sure we can rummage some of them up
might need to keep dirkatron away from them though
by kevinkinsler on Jul 25, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's never been proven
the magical qualities of unicorns are largely a creation of conjecture.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Wow
I’m not huge on Haren, but I’m shocked that’s the best package they could get. The Yankees must not have ever been really that interested.
reportedly the Yankees were lukewarm
because they want to sign Cliff Lee and with Haren on board, they wouldn’t have a rotation spot for him.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
I was under the impression that
Arizona was wanting a huge package for Haren.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
TWSS?
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I think Buster nailed it
Buster_ESPN
The D-Backs’ trade looks like a pure salary dump. Arizona gets out from under about $30 million in salary obligation, and (more)
We might have prospects but LAA has something that AZ wants more.
Yankees passing on Haren
Must mean they will go all out for Cliff Lee this offseason
What the deuce!
thats all the dbacks got??
This makes me even more upset about the rangers finances
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yes
Because that package is for shit we could have beat that to death and not give up Perez, Scheppers or Holland
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I don't think we would have
Our rotation is just fine as it is and I think we have other areas that we are looking to address before getting another SP
Really?
You wouldnt take a rotation of for example, Lee, Lewis,Wilson,Haren and Hunter ?
Arguably I’d prefer Lewis, Wilson, Haren, Hunter and Feldman because of Haren being under control
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
for sure. since all it took was money
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by hubcityraider on Jul 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This pisses me off
For a lesser package they get a slightly lesser pitcher for more years. What fucking bag of suck.
yeah, and they paid A LOT less in trade
I love, love, love Cliff Lee.
But I’d much rather have Smoak (for the next 6 years) and Haren (for the next 2 and a half), minus the Feldman/Ross/Wieland type package that the Angels gave up for him.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
This is exactly how I feel
I love Cliff Lee for this playoff run but we’d be a lot better off in the long run if we got Dan Haren. The team’s finances would never have allowed us to do so but you have to consider the Angels winning the two trades when considered side by side. And that pisses me off.
Fuck Tom Hicks.
He’s the reason behind all of this shit.
I bet he even helped the Diamondbacks screw up this trade just as a big ‘Fuck you!’ to Rangers fans.
This was a salary dump though...
I don’t think the DBacks would have wanted Feldman’s salary back in that deal would they?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Meh...
Nevermind.
Saunders will probably make as much as Feldman in arb. anyways.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
But if you don't like what Saunders brings you can release him.
Can’t do that with Feldman.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
What is Saunders deal look like (years left and money)?
by death of the cool on Jul 25, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
What?
Ken_Rosenthal
#Diamondbacks official says two of three prospects are “outstanding” – Corbin and PTBN. #MLB
If Corbin is “outstanding,” I’m really worried about the D-Back’s scouting department
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Well
They kinda have to say that, publicly, at least.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 25, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Last part was me
Forgot to blockquote it
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poop
So do we counter and go for a bigger name at 1st base?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Angels rotation
Dan Haren, Jered Weaver Ervin Santana, Joel Pineiro, and Kazmir/Whoever. Pretty solid.
Lee, Lewis, CJ, Hunter and whoever is pretty damn good as well
Let’s not forget about Holland when he comes back. Scheppers in the pen this year and rotation next year.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
If the rangers just play average the rest of the year and don't fail miserably
Then we have nothing to worry about this year. Though the Angels are making themselves better for next year, but i think we will as well this offseason. I think next year it’ll be a lot closer, and it’s going to take more than 90 wins or so to win.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
They have to play better than average
and they have to win against the Angels in Anaheim.
The Angels could play .600 ball the rest of the way.
They have to play .600 the rest of the way.
All we have to do is play .500 the rest of the way to win the West.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
That's what I just said
if we play average (.500) and they play .600, they can catch us.
You’re just making me angry
You need to go to Anger Management
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Testy today
Tampon stuck up your ass today?
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
haven't you seen house or 7th heaven?
putting a tampon in and leaving it in when you’re not supposed to has a very toxic effect on your body. EVERYTHING on tv is true
TSS
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Toxic Shock Syndrome
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I keep telling myself this
But it’s been so long since we have been I keep thinking some huge miserably slide is going to come. As long as it doesn’t, though. We’ll be fine.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
34 more games against the West
Just take care of business and we will be ok.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Hell yes.
Say what we are giving up?
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
my guess
probably a ML ready bullpen arm like Pedro Strop.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
From what I had read
it shouldnt even cost that much
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
hopefully not much
let’s hope the line of credit was extended so they dont need to give prospects away for salary
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Ugh
why? .260.309 .412 with essentially equal lines against lefties and righties.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
that production came in a huge pitcher's park
and is still light years better than what we’ve been getting from the position.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
He's also owed about $2 mil the rest of the season
and I’m guessing the Rangers can’t absorb that. Which means…
Bye bye
Michael Kirkman?
PROFANITY TOM HICKS IN HIS PROFANITY PROFANITY OH MY GOD
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
seriously?
or are you making that up?
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
I am making it up
but It’s a reasonable expectation based on how things have gone.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Maybe we shouldn't have shit the bed against Saunders the other day....
some Zona scout was probably drooling
by death of the cool on Jul 25, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
Well, I guess there's only one thing left to do...
Win the whole, fucking, thing…
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 25, 2010 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Should be fun down the stretch
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
If the PTBNL is Wood...
…someone needs to go kick Jerry DiPoto in the nuts.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Haren
He’s a strike throwing machine (141 Ks, 29 BB) but also is HR prone, allowing 23 so far in 21 games. Has a WHIP of 1.35
Remember though, all of this was in the NL. And the thing that Adam linked in the updates, a lot of scouts are lukewarm on him because of this.
It will be interesting to see how he makes the transfer over to the AL
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Lee laughs at 29 BB
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Helps probably that he pitched most of his games in Oakland's stadium
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ERA adjusted for ballpark and compared to league average (average being 100, higher being better).
The key part is the first part.
In other words, an ERA + of 138 already accounted for the park he pitches in
that is why 138 is very impressive.
Here's what's annoying
It’s fine you don’t understand what ERA+ meant. Why would you think with your limited knowledge that the point would be completely the opposite of what philkid told you? He’s the one that knows what ERA+ means. You’re not smart enough to figure out ERA+ and yet you’re smart enough to figure out the overall point?
Is this how you normally operate?
Yeah, I understand it
Its a great score. He pitched great back then. I’m just worried more about Haren today that when he was 26.
Hes got a ERA+ of 98 this year in the NL. I’m worried if its going to help or hurt him coming over to the AL or not
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Well, ERA+ absolutely underrates him this year.
The same problems with ERA are mostly still there in ERA+.
My point was that it’s adjusted for the ballpark.
I'm kindof new into it
Still studying it. I still hate Oakland’s ballpark though and that damn foul territory
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It's easy.
ERA+ looks at how much Oakland helps pitchers and accounts for it. If it wasn’t adjusted, his ERA+ would have been much higher than 138.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Correct, OAK helps his ERA. But even taking that into account, an ERA+ of 138 means he is significantly better than league average of 100. ERA+ adds/subtracts from ERA depending on what park you pitched in.
After the addition/subtraction, ERA+ of 100 is average. 138 is pretty fucking good.
Jesus
I wanted to look at top ERA+ for a season
Pedro Martínez in 2000 – 291!
Holy crap!
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Alright
[Insert Dirk Holy Rant]
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Yeah its not like he's never pitched in the AL before
Oh yeah, he started for the AL in the 2007 all star game
this sucks
I was hoping the Yankees got him and left Cliff Lee alone.
by kumizi on Jul 25, 2010 6:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
they would have got him and still went after cliff lee.
by death of the cool on Jul 25, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Cocksuckers
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
fair enough
I respect your refusal to believe in degrees of suck. It’s a hard pill to swallow, no matter how you lube it.
Skaggs is really impressive.
He’s no Trout, of course.
But he’s really good.
Really good.
He’d be our #3 prospect right now, prolly.
Certainly he’d be right there with Font, Engel and Profar, imo.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do Conger as the PTBNL?
Skaggs makes sense as he signed in early August last year.
If it was Conger, why not just do him in his trade butt right then and there?
FWIW, I’d much rather the Angels traded Skaggs than Conger.
Conger is meh, imo.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, that'd make some sense.
I hope it’s fucking Skaggs, though.
Would Conger really be something the D-Backs would be that excited over?
Yay!
He plays slightly-below-average defense and hits kinda sort, like, okay… I guess.
Yay!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
aren't the Dbacks kinda set at catcher anyway?
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Motero's okay, and Snyder's not bad (it's his contract that sucks). Both've had trouble staying on the field. Montero could be a real plus if he stayed on the field.
I can see why any team would be interested in Conger, but if this is really the linchpin, babies need to be fed to dogs in the streets of Arizona.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If you couldve kept smoak and still traded for Haren
Be honest, anyone wouldve taken that deal. Of course financially it might have been tough, but talent wise it wouldve been a no brainer deal
The Rangers don't have money...
it would never have happened.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The Diamondbacks are laughable...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
hey iorange
OT: What ever happened to the cricket?
"He's got one of those arms that could throw a marshmallow through a battleship."
- Anonymous Baseball Scout on Neftali Feliz
sadly
that is believable
"He's got one of those arms that could throw a marshmallow through a battleship."
- Anonymous Baseball Scout on Neftali Feliz
I think it is still
Someone would have given up more prospects for and still eaten the salary. I have a hard time believing the Yanks wouldnt give Montero straight up for Haren
All reports indicated that they wouldn't.
Cameron’s quote is pretty telling:
The sense that I got in Anaheim was that guys like us like him more than major league teams do.
Think the DBacks were severely limited based on their refusal to absorb any of that contract. Still a terrible deal but it’s somewhat understandable.
even if they were forced to dump him
I just can’t believe this package is the absolute best they could get.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
I just have a hard time believing that they wouldn't know the market for Dan Haren
Maybe they could have gotten a better prospect than Corbin but I bet all of the offers they got were around this neighborhood.
But whereas in years past, they might have just passed on trading Haren until the offseason, they probably just desperately needed to get out from under the contract.
Making the trade with the interim GM in place kind of suggests that
They could have done better...
I have to imagine. I mean, Joe Saunders? Really?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like Haren was being shopped secretively.
Every GM wanted him. I seriously doubt there was a better package on the table and they didn’t take it. I could be wrong, I don’t know DiPoto, but seems more likely that there wasn’t a good market for him
If they couldn't do better than this turd of a deal...
I agree with Adam, just wait until November.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how they...
need 3M badly enough to just unload Dan Haren for Joe Saunders.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I know of the Rangers situation...
but I still don’t know that this is the case for them. From what I’m reading, they seem to think they’ve made a good trade. That’s embarrassing for them.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right...
It’s not like they can just pan the deal.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Just means they need to stomp his ass when they meet in Anaheim.
And stompin their ass tonight would be nice. LET’S GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!
Feldman?
Rangers’ equivalent to get Haren would have been Feldman plus 3 mid-levels?
by awall22 on Jul 25, 2010 6:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Basically.
FUCK.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I WANNA KILL SOMETHING AND MAKE ITS PARENTS WATCH ME FUCKING DO IT
The PTBNL has to be Skaggs, right?
Still, FUCK ME.
God damn shit ass bitch mother fucker.
The Angels just did fucking Angelings.
Have fun with that OF defense behind you though, Haren, ha ha.
Fucking stupid ass mother fucking planet Earth letting Los Angeles exist on you.
Fucking fuck.
Fuck.
Vagina.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
by BigGuns on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I was waiting for your response to this.
You didn’t disappoint.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.
Arizona doesn't hate us
It’s God that hates us.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
The absolute worst part of this trade isn't Dan Haren being an Angel...
It’s Joe Saunder no longer being in the AL West.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And Joe Saunders not an Angel...
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
Saunders not an Angel is the worst part. Haren being an Angel is okay because he looks like Billy Mitchell and now he can be hated like he is.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
They both suck
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Meaning...
Both Haren an Angel and Saunders not an Angel sucks
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They did addition by subtraction and addition by addition in the same deal!
If Big Steve tries to comprehend this trade his head is gonna explode.
I assume the stuff flowing out of it will be mostly candy plus one harmonica.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations DiPoto
you’ve managed to make David Kahn look like GM of the year
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by devsr on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just remembered
Didn’t AZ use a premium first round pick on the A&M pitcher like 20 spots ahead of where he was projected to go and then find out that he is injured?
What a bunch of clowns over there.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
found the article
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/07/aggiesportscombarret_loux_when.php
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That is awesome.
It needs to be adjusted for everytime Young misses a ball that he should have gotten to and then put in the GDT.
Whenever something shitty happens to a team...
I like to go to that team’s blog and watch the people be really upset about things. I then come back here and post what they’ve said, as we all laugh at them.
This would be a quotable thread for other blogs.
Haha
I do that, too. It’s a lot of fun on Lookout Landing… those guys are cool, but they can get so miserable.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Yeah...
the Angels aren’t even better than the Rangers even with this trade.
The part about it that sucks is the next three years the Angels will have Haren.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's okay, we've got Feldman!!!!
/AJM
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
True but
The Rangers will have Scheppers, Holland for the next 3 years and Perez for maybe two of those years Haren is there.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
makes the loss of Smoak sting more worser
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Not really...
I don’t even care about Smoak anymore. It makes having Tom Hicks as an owner suck worse, however.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
does for me
I pacified myself on the loss of Smoak by thinking, “that is the cost of obtaining an ace”. But come to find out, that’s only the cost of the Rangers obtaining an ace. Other teams can apparently do it with a Feldmanesque grab bag, and that annoys me greatly.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
It's crazy reading HH
Half of them don’t even know who their top prospects are. I bed Dirkatron knows more than 50% of them about their prospects.
Which would explain most of their trade proposals...
unfortunately it appears that Dipoto posts there as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I didn't think Rafael Rodriguez would be allowed into Arizona
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by RangerFloppy on Jul 25, 2010 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
All this really means...
is the Rangers will re-sign Cliff Lee now.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions
Sigh.
“Cliffmas” officially = Be Sharps.
by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
ha ha
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Had the Yanks been the team to acquire Haren, then maybe, just maybe, the Rangers would have a shot at re-signing Cliff. But as it stands now, the Yanks are keeping a spot in the rotation open and warm for Mr. Lee.
Then the Rangers...
will just have to take him from them again.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm really starting to believe...
The farther this team can go in the position, the higher the odds we can resign him
So all these reports about Lee being a Yankee during the winter, lets just hold off on them for a while until after we see what this team can do for the rest of the year
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maybe Cliff doesn't want to play for the Yanks?
Some guys don’t. Maybe he’s one of them.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Maybe he wants to get the most money he can out of the final deal of his career.
You know, like every other professional ballplayer ever to walk the face of the Earth.
I think the first thing he wants out of any deal....
Is a no-trade clause
Then they will start talking money and years
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I could see the Rangers giving him a no trade clause
To keep him here over the next 4 -5 years.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
That was before he got to Texas
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
So just because he's playing here now he'll want to stay?
I would like Lee to sign with us, but let’s not get our hopes up guys.
Really?
I said that tounge in cheek.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
"There's something about playing for a team struggling to make payroll that just warms me to this place. And the heat is wonderful!"
- Cliff Lee
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He reportedly told CC he was dissapointed to find out the discussions had broken down when he found out he had instead been dealt to Texas,
But that might’ve been more a matter of him talking whistfully with his old friend CC and getting sold on one thing and then as soon as he started to come around on the idea, finding out it’s gone.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way we can ever outbid them....
But someone stop me if I’m wrong. Isn’t the word going around right now that the Steinbrenner sons don’t have the passion that their father had, and might not go heavily after FAs as their father did?
I’ve heard this from some Yankee fans (some of who believe there is a chance the sons might try to sell the team?) but I could be wrong
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Seriously...
Arizona couldn’t find a better deal that this? How incompetent is their FO?
"No nuts, no glory"
It's Dan Haren!
They don’t need to be calling people. People called them. I really doubt a better deal was out there
There would have been if he shopped this deal I bet.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
What the hell don't people understand?
Why would AZ not shop this deal? Who thinks they haven’t been shopping Haren for the last 2 months aggressively. All we ever hear about are the best pitchers out there were Oswalt, Haren, and Lee.
I have a hard time believeing
That they shopped this deal. There is no doubt in my mind that if other teams saw this that they wouldn’t have put together a better package.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
If that's the case, we'll hear something from another team
I really doubt that is the case though. It really doesn’t make sense – people aren’t normally in the business of taking shittier deals
I am beginning to think they actually really wanted Saunders
Remember what they gave up last off-season for Edwin Jackson?
This is a possibility
I doubt there were many teams out there who had what AZ thought was a comparable but less paid starter
Me too...
I can’t say that there was a better deal, but apparently the Diamondbacks like this deal. So, maybe they’re just really stupid.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You are really going off a press release after the deal that says they liked it
for you to think they really like it? What is the press release if they hate the deal but there was nothing else out there?
I'm going off the fact that they've made questionable moves...
to get “their guy” in the recent past, and like you’ve said, this time it was with a forced hand.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why JD needs to remain here and not else where.
JD got to AS for Tex
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
ghostoferickthompson, you're popular at HH
screw the mother f’in Rangers and their fans. It will give that idiot at LSB, ghostofErikThompson, something worthwhile to write about.
I hate the Texas Rangers
by 44FAN on Jul 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
by Tex2044 on Jul 25, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He lurks...
the AL West blogs. I’m not surprised that he doesn’t like that I don’t like the Angels.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
someone said that we weren't happy over here at LSB. I don't post over there.
Just for entertainment value
I'm really starting to believe...
That blog just exists to just piss off other blogs and not actually care to report on the Angels
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Agreed
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
This is good to be hated
That means they look at us as a threat to their little team.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Jul 25, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
I agree. why would they hate us. they should love us since we’ve been their whipping boy so long. the hate grows because we’ve turned the tables.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And it will grow even more
Once Scheppers and Perez are up.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Nice.
“Little team”. Very emasculating. Fuck them and that disgusting rally rat. I wish our mascot Chuck Norris would beat it against a tree and eat it.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Skaggs
more from HH
On Twitter Dan Woike said LHP Tyler Skaggs is a strong candidate to be the PTBNL
https://twitter.com/OCR_DanWoike/status/19528159615
I’m not superstitious, but I’m a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
.
It has to be him.
That was a no-brainer once it came out it wasn’t Trout.
There’s no one else who made sense.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There's still not much about this...
that makes sense. But at least the final piece does.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Saunders angle is what makes the most sense
They got a starter who they think is pretty good and some prospects and some salary relief.
Makes just enough sense. Still don’t know if there were other deals out there that were more prospect heavy but I could see them eschewing that for this.
This is the team that thought trading for E-Jax was a good idea.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
You’re probably right. But that’s nutty, because Saunders isn’t good, and no team should want to trade for him.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I almost applied to work for the Diamondbacks a few days ago.
If Joe Saunders is the kind of guy they want, I’m glad I would have gotten rejected.
by philkid3 on Jul 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was the job you were going to apply for?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Some sort of front office assistant job.
I don’t remember an actual title, but seemed like they want office grunts who understand baseball stats and Excel.
They also wanted a degree in statistics or comparable experience, so. . .
Yeah...
like they need the degree.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not as well versed in the Angles future little fuck-pylons, but I'm fairly confident I'd take Skaggs over any prospect in our system aside from Scheppers and Marty Pears
Though it’d be close with Font, Engel, Profar and maybe even Erlin.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I'd be quite disappointed if it's Skaggs
I think he probably has the most upside/projection of any arm in our system, except for maybe Garret Richards (who’s a couple years older and pitching at the same low A level).
Maybe someone answered this already
why would Skaggs need to be a PTBNL again? One would think he would be considered a major part of the deal, and those are not usually PTBNLs.
Skaggs didn't sign until August 7th 2009
You need 1 year of service to be included in a trade.
thanks, I forgot when he was signed
actually, I didn’t really forget. I never knew in the first place
How are you still breathing?
I would have thought your organs would have given up after so much stupid…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 25, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
joe_sheehan DiPoto is citing wins and winning percentage in his presser, comparing Saunders to Halladay.
How is this guy a MLB GM?
"No nuts, no glory"
by coolaid on Jul 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
DONT MAKE ME BUST OUT THE MIKE OLT STICK ON YOU AGAIN
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
One more...
joe_sheehan “[Saunders] is a quality, durable, steady major-league starter, and we feel like this club needs that.” Haren was….?
"No nuts, no glory"
I think I saw him giggle a little as he was saying.
He didn’t look like he believed the words coming out of his mouth.
dude is an idiot
feldman must have looked like CY last year to him then.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
To him....
Zack Greinke is a sucky pitcher then
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speaking of which, anyone think he's actually available?
kick those tires again this off season if he’s still in KC.
Seriously...
People might hate JD as our GM and question his moves….
But its statements like this that make me glad JD is our GM
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
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I don't even think that many people hate him anymore
maybe they did a year or two ago, but not so much now.
I would dare you to go to DMN Ranger's blog....
But I don’t want to scar you in doing that
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
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DMN Ranger Blog is the HH of Rangersdome
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition)
And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56 on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 PM CDT
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Oh my fucking God.
Fuck you Tom Hicks. Seriously, die in a car accident today.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
It's Skaggs
@nickpiecoro: Told the ptbnl is going to be Skaggs, barring something unexpected. Angels were reluctant to include him.
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
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That's a little better at least.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I wouldn't be surprised...
if the Halos aren’t done yet.
Maybe they dangle Trout out there to try and get Fielder. Perhaps they try to go and get Dunn.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You know what?
I don’t mind that. If they think they can take us, bring it. Sacrifice the best prospect in baseball.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Yeah...
but adding both Haren and Fielder would sure make me nervous about being able to hold them off.
I still think the Rangers would be the better team, but it certainly closes the gap.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He's the best prospect in baseball now!?!?
Really good, but best?
Already?
Seems a bit steep.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's better?
Maybe Dom Brown. I prefer Trout personally.
So does Parks, as I recall.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
I'll take Bryce Harper.
Trout’s in the top 10, prolly.
But guys like Hellickson and Moustakas are a lot closer and awfully talented.
Not saying he shouldn’t be in the conversation, I just don’t know how I feel about him being called the de facto #1 on all of baseball.
Jacob Turner, Shelby Miller, Aroldis Chapman, etc… There’s a shit ton of other dudes to consider.
Trout’s definitely in the picture, though.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
But what stands out to me here is man, the top SP’s on the market this year sure haven’t brought back the kind of returns everyone thought they would.
I wouldn’t trade Michael Main straight up for Bengie Molina, even if my alternate catcher was a pointed stick. - KLaw
Cliff Lee brought back pretty much exactly what you'd've thought they would.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He definitely brought back fair value, maybe a little more
But still not as much as some people expected him to, I don’t think.
I wouldn’t trade Michael Main straight up for Bengie Molina, even if my alternate catcher was a pointed stick. - KLaw
Yah, well, fuck some people.
Some people think LookoutLanding is a superlative baseball blog.
Some people are idiots.
Justin Smoak for Cliff Lee is really fuckin’ good.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop and realize
The Angels gave up 3 players, at least 1 of which is significant, for the difference between Haren and Saunders, if indeed there even is a difference this year.
What the fuck is wrong with your brain?
Putting aside the idiocy of questioning a difference between Saunders and Haren, you realize he’s not a three month rental, right?
Gaudy...
.364/.375/.527…pretty good numbers, wouldn’t we all agree?
They belong to one Dan Haren. He even has a homer this season. Reggie Willits should take notice.
This trade pisses me off in principle, but reading behind the numbers some, I’m ok. Dan Haren is a good major league pitcher…a solid number two. But, how much better is he really than Joe Saunders?
ERA-Haren-4.60 Saunders-4.62
Walks-Haren-29 Saunders-45
HR’s allowed-Haren-23 (141.0 IP) Saunders 14 (120.2 IP)
BAA-Haren-.285 Saunders-.290
Dan Haren does have 77 more K’s this year than Saunders. Thats significant.
Here are some ballpark comparisons
Chase Field
Ballpark Diagram & Dimensions
Data
Left Field
1998
330’
Power Alleys
1998
374’
Center Field
1998
407’
Outfield (deep)
1998
413’
Right Field
1998
334’
Angel Stadium
LF LCF CF RCF RF
333’ 365’ 400’ 365’ 333’
Dan Haren played in a bigger ballpark and gives up many more homeruns. Joe Saunders played in a smaller ballpark and gave up far fewer home runs while in the American League.
Media types are hailing this as a true ripoff of the D’backs. Some are calling it a salary dump. However, if you want to really compare numbers, Saunders and Haren are very comparable. Saunders had been very good in the past, as had Haren. Haren though has played in Oakland with huge foul ball areas as we all know, and Joe Saunders has had to trot through the Ballpark on several occasions, inflating some of his numbers.
Saunders is a year younger than Haren too.
All things considered, I would have been much more scared if the Angels would have acquired Prince Fielder or Adam Dunn, as the Angels have had a hard time scoring runs this season. One comparable pitcher for another doesn’t seem to greatly alter their chances.
Rangers are 7 up, recently having taken 3/4 from Boston at Fenway, 2/3 from Detroit at Comerica, and 3/4 from LAA at the Ballpark.
Simply put, the Rangers are just a better team.
There are a ton of problems with this.
For one, Chase is an absurd hitters park.
Also, calling Haren a solid No. 2 is underrating him, even in what is a down season for him.
I joined up just because this was so wrong.
Hey folks, Giants fan here who’s always liked the Rangers, although I couldn’t tell you why. But, like philkid3 pointed out, there are numbers you are just flat out ignoring. For instance, Haren has been obscenely unlucky this year, as evidenced by career highs in BABIP (.350!) and HR/FB%(13.9%). Haren is just way, way better than Saunders. Period. But as long as the Rangers’ rotation stays healthy (knock on wood) I don’t see this making a huge impact on this season.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
A's 1/2 game back of LAA
The Angels need to look up and see who is right on their heels-the A’s. Oakland may now be considered a bigger hurdle than LAA.
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