Newberg Night Q & A recap
I was surprised no one had put up a recap yet, so I'm going to attempt to remember a few things. I'm hoping those of you who were also there also will chime in with more details. Both Q & A's went on for an hour or so, I think, a ton of questions, all answered thoroughly with candor.
Kevin Goldstein:
- The Rangers' front office is right up there with the AL East trio as one of the smartest in the business
- The Royals might have the best minor league system right now. (I'm paraphrasing here): "When I made my midseason top 11 prospects list, guys left in the minors, I wrote down 22 names and there were 5 Royals on the list." He also said one of them he might pick over Martin Perez, but I didn't catch exactly what he said and he didn't say which one. (Moustakas? Montgomery?)
- On the struggles of Martin Perez, he said he's learning a lot right now, probably the first time he's really been hit and he's having to adjust, he'll be fine. Maybe the best lefty in the minors.
- The Rangers are not a one or two year team, they are built for a good run of 5 to 8 years of contention.
- Someone asked about the other AL West teams' systems. The Angels have a pretty weak system after Trout, for the first time in quite a while. The Mariners have a few guys, but the A's will be the team that could potentially challenge the Rangers run the next few years. A lot of good pitching already on the big league club, and quite a few good hitters on the way soon.
- Feliz - shot at rotation? This team sees him as their future closer, I hope he gets a chance.
- On Profar - I'm writing at home and I get a call from a scout, a good friend. What do you know about Profar? Goldstein responds, not much yet, just that TX signed him and he's in AZ. Scout replies, well he's playing way beyond his years, yada yada. Next day, gets another call from a different scout, what do you know, well he's playing like a much older player, yada yada. Profar is special. Later said Profar should definitely stick at SS, and might hit better than Elvis with more power (this rubber band has more power than Elvis...).
- Liked the Lee deal, flags fly forever, has a great effect on the rest of the rotation and clubhouse, gives them a chance to win a postseason series. Smoak is good, but trade was worth it, basically.
Jon Daniels:
- Standing ovation on introduction. When the applause died down he deadpanned "I'm still the guy who traded Adrian Gonzalez."
- Feliz - shot at rotation next year? Right now he's the team's closer and we like him in that roll. For next year we'll consider it. He might be the closer next year, too, and even the year after that, and it still wouldn't mean he'd never get a shot at the rotation. Just like CJ, who we felt improved, matured, etc. and is now a great fit in the rotation. We'll keep options open, etc.
- Who will come up in September? I didn't hear all of this but mentioned Scheppers first as a guy we might see before September 1.
- What is the market inefficiency the Rangers are utilizing? Daniels said our people may be our most underrated asset. Talked for quite a while about how much he believes in Levine, Preller (both of whom were there), on down to the scouts, and about how every guy on the roster is a good fit in the clubhouse. In past years, maybe they had 20 good guys, but right now it's 25 good guys. A lot of that comes from Wash (similar to reported comments in the papers the last few days.)
- Brian Thomas asked if the team had any proprietary info on catchers' game calling skills, and if not, what else they relied on. Daniels replied that they do not have any data specifically related to game calling skills, it's really a feel kind of thing where you have to trust the scouts, coaches, and players. He said that in addition to the publicly reported comments from Lincecum, Scioscia, and others, that he received quite a few private calls from other Molina colleagues who all raved about his pitcher handling skills. He added that the team really wanted a guy who could get the best out of young pitchers going into places like Yankee Stadium or Fenway in a playoff atmosphere.
- What player is the biggest surprise this year? They couldn't pick between Lewis, Wilson, and Hunter. Then, of course, he said it wasn't a total surprise because they believed in those players. Early on with Lewis they were thinking a minor league deal, but the scouts (and then, later, competings teams offers) made it clear that he was a multi-year, major league deal worthy guy.
- Can you talk about the effects of Lee on the rest of the staff? It's no accident that Wilson is charting Lee's last couple of starts, and Wilson is basically Lee with more movement on his pitches and some other quality I can't remember...all the guys are excited and trying to soak up what they can.
- Any chance at re-signing Lee? Let's give him a chance to just be here, only been here a few days. Winning is a great recruiting tool, hopefully we go far into the postseason and he likes it here. We knew going into this that there was a good chance he'd only be here for the rental period. We thought it was worth it and then maybe he resigns here, and if not we get the draft picks.
- Extra rest for Lewis and Wilson down the stretch? We've already done some of that and will continue to do so, but we feel good about their ability to continue. Wilson's diet, physical health are great, etc. Lee pitching is basically a night off for the bullpen.
- The team didn't feel that this year's international class was that great. lots of depth, but few potential superstars in their view.
- Claimed that when they picked Skole there was no one left on their draft board higher than him. They really like is ceiling and are challenging him in a league of older players right now even though his stats won't be good.
Ok, that's all I got off the top of my head, I didn't take notes. Kudos to Jamey for a well-coordinated event. The auction and raffle raised something like $12,000.
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outstanding
Thanks t-ball, I was hoping someone would do this.
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Engel Beltre
Goldstein seemed pretty high on him, too, said he could be a 20-20 player with solid defense, was encouraged by the maturing attitude.
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Engel
still struggling these last few games, but still not striking out at all. He’s like AA Ichiro right now.
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the strikeouts are the key thing i'm watching with him right now...
he’s striking out at almost a ridiculously low rate for AA
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
and still very low on Andrus
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
He did say that Andrus is miscast as a leadoff hitter, and maybe not a perennial all-star level player, IIRC. Goldstein misses the mark, IMHO, but maybe not as much as we’d like to think.
Elvis may or may not turn out to be a superstar, but I think he’s more than just a regular solid starter. With that defense, speed, and a walk rate that has stabilized the last couple months around the 9-10% range, he’s an all-star even if his power never develops. He is handling starting SS and leadoff quite well on a team in a pennant race at 21. I think he gonna be just fine.
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It's a shame
how much his OBP and walk rate have dropped off since earlier this season. I’m not sure he is ever going to have a lot of power, but when he was carrying a 400 or so OBP the first 2 months of the season, and a plussy glove, he sure looked like an all star to me.
He is still young and has room for lots of development, but maybe he is that notch below All Star. I still think if he keeps working on defensive fundamentals and OBP though, he could be that perennial All Star type guy.
Tough to argue with Goldstein atm though, a 673 OPS guy is likely not a current allstar. Hopefully he develops into that guy, and with his age, he certainly has a chance to.
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League offense down
Andrus had a .702 OPS in 2009, for an OPS+ of 82.
This year Andrus has a .673 OPS so far, for an OPS+ of…81.
That’s surprising, but given that league offense is down that much, and he’s at a weak offensive position, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’ll be an all-star level player, particularly through his prime.
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It's still an open question
and its not like Goldstein’s position is untenable.
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He has a reasonable position
but I think he’s kind of splitting hairs, as if he doesn’t want to say Elvis will be an all-star level player, but he doesn’t quite want to peg him as just an average starting SS either.
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I have some thoughts on both those guys, especially Preller, that I'll post tomorrow
regardless, very hard question to answer.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I would’ve said Levine a few week ago and then I watched the FSNSW feature on the Rangers farm system and I was impressed by Preller, who would be an attractive candidate for a GM job because his experience as a scout.
"No nuts, no glory"
I had not (or can't remember) seeing a pic of Preller before
I ducked out to go to the bathroom during the charity auction, and this very young, very serious looking guy locked his eyes onto me in the lobby immediately. Before we even spoke, you got the feeling that he worked for the club, but my initial take was that he was probably some intern, albeit a clear up and comer. Like Terry said, he is very young looking.
He asked me if I needed anything, but it was kind of funny, b/c he was so serious that it came across as him being faintly suspicious of me. After pointing me to the bano, we exchanged a few other words, with me remarking that Goldstein looked a little like Elvis Costello with the pork pie hat and glasses that he was wearing, and him kind of just humoring me.
Anyway, after observing him casually during the rest of the afternoon, he really struck me as a slightly different breed than JD and Thad. If you worked for him, he’d be the type of boss that always had a 5 questions you couldn’t answer. You wouldn’t get anything over on him, that’s for sure.
On the game calling metrics question I asked, the first thing JD did was ask Thad. As in, “we don’t have any thing that quantifies that, do we?” To reiterate what Terry recounted, according to JD, this really is an area that is 100% eyeball and anecdote driven.
JD has a wicked sense of humor. In a SSS, Thad would appear to as well. Also in a SSS, Mr. Preller doesn’t have time for no trifling jibber jabber.
I counted 3 separate standing ovations for Daniels and co. I counted 1 20 grade question from the audience. No DMN peanut gallery buffoonery going on that day.
The seats we had were outstanding, too. 30 bucks!
Guys, I went in to this event with high expectations. They were far exceeded. If you’re local and don’t treat yourself to this experience, I think you’re batshit crazy. Part of what made it such a thrill was just being together with 400 other diehard junkies. And it all went to a great charity.
Next year lets all be on the ball and have a big fat LSB contingency.
One more thing. The BZA nearly fell off the railing, plummeting to his death, but thanks to the catlike reflexes of Terry and myself, he survived unscathed.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 28, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The fuck is Terry?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your mom!
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
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I doubt it.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Terry Beaven?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you intentionally misspelling that
just to piss yourself off?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this a bit I missed?
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/4/24/851412/friday-morning-things#14685101
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that bit
comes from GoET’s guide to LSB. He jokingly suggested I was comedian Tim Ball, who is not nearly as handsome and charming as I am.
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I actually had no idea there was I comedian named Tim Ball.
I just enjoyed the idea that perhaps your name was Tim Ball cause that’s a silly name to have and also… I’m an idiot.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff, Brian
I have absolutely got to make sure I attend the next one.
That FSN special on the farm system that interviewed all the front office guys was really excellent. I’d love to hear Preller talk at length.
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I was really hoping some folks would ask AJ questions.
It’s going to be a sad day when we lose him.
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Daniels also said Leuke might be the underrated guy in the Lee trade
expects to see him in the late innings for a few years. Said Leuke was a guy other teams had been asking about. That says a lot to me, because (well, except for the Mariners it seems) everyone knows about his legal troubles.
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The Mariners...
didn’t know his legal troubles.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that story was overblown...
I think it was that one person in their FO didn’t know about Leuke’s past but Jack Z knew (at least that what I have read).
"No nuts, no glory"
I didn't read anything about it...
after the first day people were reporting on it, but Mariner beat writers were saying things like, “Had the Mariners known, they wouldn’t have traded for him.” Maybe that was before new information came out, however.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 27, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I have trouble believing the Mariners didn't google Leuke.
I mean, really?
Just a google?
No?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The reports I read suggested that Armstong and Lincoln didn't know,
with the former especially ticked because he’s been involved in supporting women’s support organizations and working against gender-based violence. Zduriencik seems to have been aware…
by Josh Garoon on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's gotta be bullshit, right?
No fucking way.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
It was not good to have him in the system, IMHO.
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by LBBRangerFan on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
a girl that was semi-dating him a couple months ago. His side of the story was kind of ridiculous
That's a bit of a cliffhanger.
What’s his side of the story?
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Oh, sorry.
Something to the extent of the accuser does this a lot and he sued her for it and won. Unfortunately, the only reason the newspaper can’t print anything about it is because she hasn’t finished paying him the $50,000 or something so it’s really hush hush until he gets his money.
I wonder how awkward that conversation was
I’ve never had to explain away rape charges to a girl I wanted to get with
Yeah
I think he kind of came out with his side before she even asked, figuring that she would google him or something and see all the craziness that comes with reading those local newspaper reports. If you haven’t read them, they are pretty crazy if you don’t know what allegedly took place
Good stuff cheap, thanks T.
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I had about 5 paragraphs that I was nearly done with, and then I accidentally hit the fucking back button.
I"ll share my whip smart eruditiononolgy manana.
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC Goldstein also
said he really liked the Skole pick, said the Rangers made a ballsy pick for the most athletic guy left in the draft and he has star potential or some such
Awesome recap TBall, thanks.
I’m definitely going to these when I move back to the area.
Hickory staff
Goldstein praised the Hickory arms, mentioned how well they pitch, hitting both sides of the plate, all good prospects. And “the guy with the worst numbers (Thompson) might be the best of the bunch.”
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Wieland was my favorite non-elite prospect....
Until now. Thompson might have just taken that spot from me. Good to hear Goldstein likes him as well
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Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I'm glad Brian Thomas asked the question I had in mind, since I'm 750 miles away.
The response had a bit of a twist I hadn’t considered. We’ve all talked about how an Ace can shape a playoff series. JD suggests they think a catcher can shape a playoff series, especially with young pitchers.
hmm. Hadn’t considered that. A trade for a catcher with not just game calling in mind, but a calming, guiding influence on pitchers in playoff series.
I’ll have to think about that. Maybe the marginal improvement in runs allowed the rest of the season is essentially zero. But, perhaps, in a single game, a catcher can help a pitcher keep his cool.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I still think the Molina move made little sense without the Lee trade,
or a move to acquire another front-line starter. But with that move now made, I feel better about the overall scenario.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you say that?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 28, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Because I believe gambling on Molina's ability to strengthen game-calling and staff-handling
was only worth the ante if the Rangers were also going to significantly upgrade the staff.
But they upgraded the staff with a guy who was one of the least likely in the game to benefit from a strong catcher
I would think it would be closer to an imperative if they didn’t acquire somebody like Lee.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Assuming the benefits include keeping Lee happy with his receiver, I don't agree.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm Cliff Lee,
all I care about is, can he catch the ball? And, can he frame a pitch?
Like Greg Maddux used to say, why do I need a catcher calling the game? That implies he’s smarter than me.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, it's pretty to think that, and I'm not even gonna say you're wrong, but the way major league clubs operate gives a preponderance of anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
I tend to agree with you in theory. Seems like if I were a pitcher I’d want a dude to be able to frame pitches, block balls in the dirt, and not completely suck at throwing runners out. Beyond that, gimme the guy who’s score me an actual run or two.
But that doesn’t seem to be the way major league clubs operate.
In your case, Sauce, perhaps it’s best to think of the major league clubhouse as you do the female vagina and accept that there’s things you just can’t understand about ‘em cause you’ve never been inside of one… (BOOOOOOoOoOOOOOMMMM!!!!)
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Tressa
If we’re talking about 99% of the pitchers out there, I agree with you. And I’m certainly not disagreeing that that’s the prevailing philosophy among clubs. Our own FO appears to be one of the most forward thinking thinktanks out there thinking thoughts about things thoughtfully, and they’re big believers in it.
But I find it pretty hard to believe that the great ones in their prime or older, especially ones who dominate in a more cerebral manner like Lee or Maddux, benefit all that much from good pitch-callers, and even less likely that the pitchers themselves would believe so.
I could be wrong. You know, like you were when you picked out that Blazer-t-shirt combo for your avatar photo…POWPOW.
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So none of us knows how Lee feels about it.
I’m not arguing that Lee ~ or any pitcher, really ~ wants Molina doing all the work in terms of game-calling and whatnot. And I’m not saying that having Molina was make-or-break for the Lee deal to happen.
Still, having a catcher who has Molina’s reported skills and penchant for preparation can only be a plus, even for a guy like Lee. And then, of course, then there’s what Texas apparently believes Molina brings to the rest of the staff.
But I’d still find those relative strengths much less convincing as a rationale for the Molina deal if the Rangers hadn’t also strengthened the rotation with Lee.
So last night.
Do we think CJ benefitted or was hurt by that idiot Teagarden behind the plate? We have all seen how Molina can frame the shit out of shit. Last night, if there was a pitch drifting outside, it seemed that Teagarden was out of his crouch and nearly in the dugout by the time he caught the ball. Framing pitches, he was not.
In general
I wouldn’t characterize Teagarden as having poor framing skills. And if CJ is relying on framing for success he has bigger things to worry about.
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Fair Enough
CJ was getting hit rather hard last night, but it brings up a fair point…..is a small difference made by the catcher framing/receiving? I know this is something discussed ad nauseum, and we don’t have an answer, but it is a very real example of the potential difference an expereiced, established catcher may make vs. a young weirdo.
by FuturePants on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's one nice component
and I have noticed that Molina seems pretty good at it since he’s arrived. When Teagarden first came up I thought he looked good compared to Laird, so maybe it’s just relative.
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I don't know
I was at the game last night, so I didn’t have the benefit of the TV, but it seemed that every pitch to a corner got Teagarden out of his crouch and moving. It was annoying to me. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as I thought when you watched on TV?
by FuturePants on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Movie rec
Dinner for Scmucks looks ok. I will definitely netflick it.
But check out Dinner Game, the French film it is based on. Very very clever.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
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by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
mazel mazel
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by Suicide Prince on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
x
When I walked in, Goldstein was discussing the Lee trade, and he said in a few years, we are going to play the Mariners and Beavan is going to go 7 strong, Smoak is going to hit a couple of home runs and Leuke (sp?) will close the game and it’s going to sting. He then said, but if you have a flag flying over your stadium for a title, you’re really not going to care as much.
O man...
Beavan is going to go 7 strong
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yah, what the fuck?
C-Wun is a fuckin’ horse.
Dude’s gonna be good for 8 innings, no prob.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Beavxn
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You remembered a lot more than I did.
Kevin Goldstein said Tommy Hunter is fat and that’s awesome. He also said he thinks Chris Davis is probably a AAAA hitter.
I think I sat next to some LSBers at the game but I was too shy to say something.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Forgot about the Davis thing
He was more certain in saying Davis was a 4A player than I think anyone else I’ve read or heard talk about him.
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Interesting. Sickels disagreed last night.
Then again, Sickels also said that Borbon’s arm is “not bad” or “pretty good” or some such, and didn’t bring much else in the way of insight on the Rangers’ organization. After reading his MiLB site for a while, he seems to go largely on the statistics, with relatively little firsthand observation. Yet folks seem to really respect his opinion. What am I missing?
by Josh Garoon on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Sickels doesn't go to many games
and Goldstein does and talks to lots of scouts. I think Goldstein is a bit too “sure” of this judgment, but I respect his opinion more than Sickels. Sickels writes like a fantasy guy, using stats mostly and a decently long history of watching guys graduate through the systems, so I think his perspective is useful for that. But in terms of scouting any individual player’s ability I’d certainly rather read someone with a more well-rounded experience or sources.
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Agree
The Professor of Sex is down on Davis too. He tweeted the other day that the Chris Davis we saw in 2008 is no longer around. I don’t know if his swing has changed or what, but that’s what he said.
I think Sickels’ analysis certainly has value, but when both KG, who talks to lots and lots of scouts, and our own resident scout are down on him, it’s really tough for me to get excited.
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
In line with Sickels' background, I think he's zero-ing on Davis' reduction in K-rate and uptick in BB-rate.
The Gameday scouting I’ve done on Davis suggests to me that he’s still trying to learn how to distinguish a mistake pitch from one that isn’t. This is what I mean….
He’s getting a very steady diet of pitches to the outside corner. It doesn’t matter if it’s a lefty or right. He no longer swings at those pitches, and, instead, waits patiently for one more over the plate. But, he’s also not dead-on with the pitches he sees over the plate.
I seriously doubt bat speed is his problem. I suspect it’s simply the mental approach to recognizing a bad pitch from a good one that’s slowing him down. I don’t think he’s gotten to the point that he can just react.
I’m very encouraged by his lower K-rate. It’s like 25% since his return. He just has to stick to this approach, get to the point his pitch recognition becomes instinctual, and hopefully someone teaches him how to drive an outside pitch the other way.
It’s a tall order. I think of a AAAA hitter as someone with a slow bat or no capacity for pitch recognition. He’s stuck in the latter category, I believe.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I'm not quite as sanguine
about Davis’ ability to resist swinging at breaking stuff out of the zone. I just need to see better pitch recognition and discipline over more than 53 PA to make anything of it.
The bigger issue for me, though, is what the cost of Davis’ retooled approach at the plate might be. At this point, it looks to me as if power’s being sacrificed to bump his BB rate up from below average to around average, and his K rate down from awful to not-quite-so awful. If that’s the case, then he’s in trouble.
I don't think anyone hoped he'd totally sacrifice power for plate discipline.
If he can’t maintain some degree of the former while improving the latter, he’s going to struggle. He’s not a .300 hitter.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 28, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The Gut aligns with Gameday, so far...
“He’s not chasing pitches as much,” Washington said. “He’s taking left-handers deep in the count more than I saw before. Chris is coming along, but it’s a slow process. But he’s coming along.”
Last night was another example of CD not swinging at outside pitches from lefties, but instead waiting for them to come into the zone or just miss in the zone. Unfortunately, he missed some of the pitches that were in the zone. That’s where his improvement needs to be made. He appears to have made step 1 of a two-step process, where the second step is having enough consistency to hit those in-zone pitches.
Not saying they second step is trivial. Simply overstating that he’s making tangible progress.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Yep
The fact hes able to be placed at the bottom of the order makes this even better because we can afford to have our 8 hole hitter struggle. As long as hes making progress im not in a rush to send him packing.
It looks to me like hes got more confidence now and is swinging, when he does swing, with more confidence. It looks like hes gathered an appraoch to look for a fastball to hit early in the count and if he gets it he swings and swings with some power. But he lays off close pitches and lays off breaking pitches.
As counts get deeper he does appear to be sacrificing power but really isn’t that what we expect a hitter to do? Just put the bat on the ball. The numbers aren’t there and it is frustrating but the ABs look so much better than before and given how everyone else is performing I don’t see him being as big a detriment to this club as others
Sure, with the exception of one low, outside curveball,
Davis avoided at swinging at outside off-speed pitches last night. Thing is, according to PItchf/x, he only saw two off-speed pitches outside of the zone last night. So I guess one out of two ain’t bad?
He also swung at three of the four curves he saw, in sum, and the two strikes were both low and away in the zone. Results in sum: one ball taken, one foul ball, one whiff, one ground out.
Again, maybe Davis is improving in terms of judgment on the breaking stuff. I haven’t seen enough to be confident in that, but I’m not saying it’s not happening at all. I just don’t think last night is a good example.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 28, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with taking strikes low and away. I think he deserves credit for that.
The issues last night are similar to his struggles. He didn’t hit the hittable pitches when they occurred.
He laid off the unhittable ones, but that worked against him because he didn’t hit the hittable ones.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
He didn't take the strikes low and away. He swung at both of them.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
ah. Didn't catch that.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
He got in on statistics when it still could be used to find market inefficiencies.
Everyone’s largely caught up to speed on the value of OPS over AVG and BB-rates over K-rates.
I don’t know where the market inefficiences are now, other than, perhaps, a well integrated approach to internal and external scouting.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Based on what I've read and heard,
there are still a number of organizations that are trying to figure out how to balance the information they get from their numbers people and their scouts. Building a system in which both “sides” work well together ~ and are encouraged to have constructive disagreements ~ appears to be tricky. The Rangers seem to have done a good job of that, and that seems to me reflected in the comments that both Goldstein and Daniels are reported to have made at the Newberg event.
It’s the SABR/Gut balance.
Yeah. That's why, to me, Nolan's testimony
that Hamilton’s contract could be out of reach if the bankruptcy continues is less alarming to me than his testimony that guys are being hired away.
There will likely be a day when Levin and Preller just get an offer they can’t refuse, but it’s OK to lose folks at the top if the folks below them are in sync and can move up to refill those positions. I just hate to see good lower level guys begin picked off already, because it takes a while to learn the culture of a well integrated management team.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Agreed.
A certain amount of poaching is inevitable, because no matter how much money you can offer the top guys, they’re going to want to pursue higher-level jobs. The key, as you note, is to make sure you’re bringing in the next generation for your top guys to train before you leave. So it’s not just guys being hired away, for me, but also whether the Rangers are successfully competing for the up-and-coming front-office and scouting talent, what with their financial bind.
I think the arm thing
was in reference to Moreland, just off the top of my head. I don’t recall him dwelling on Julio’s throwing.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
I heard him mention Borbon's arm specifically, in the discussion of his defense.
I commented on it on the radio thread last night when he said it.
thanks t-ball.
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(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
One other Goldstein comment that I enjoyed.
Goldstein: (To the crowd) “So is there a player that you guys think is untouchable?”
Crowd: (Most people say Perez)
Goldstein: “So if the Cardinals called you today offering Albert Pujols for Martin Perez, you’d do that deal. Nobody is untouchable!”
Good stuff
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
are they picking up the remaining years on his contract, too?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Yeah, I thought that was the only lame thing Goldstein said
He was outstanding, but that comment misses the point.
Is Pujols untouchable?
Well, what if I offered you the entire AL all star lineup for him??
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 28, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a fair point, pants
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
so does calling
somebody “UNTOUCHABLE”
by blueballlefty on Jul 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
johnny Oates did it all the time
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 28, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent work, T.
Thank you, sir.
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by Suicide Prince on Jul 27, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
Nice to meet you at the event, T.
It was all kinds of fun.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
Is the Preller
piece on the minor league system available online? I can’t seem to find it. If not, I hope they rebroadcast it at some point.
The FSN piece?
I can’t link directly, but click on ‘Rangers’. THe first video (there are 4) is 3 rows from the bottom.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Bummer to see report #3 begin with video of Beavan with Welke talking about
ease of delivery, repeatability,
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Good stuff t ball (and others)
Jamey said they might have another one of these in October. Hopefully during the playoff run…
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
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Oh, one more amusing part of the Goldstein hour.
Someone asked about some prospect (can’t remember who), or really even the context. Goldstein was like, “Forget about questions like that. You guys are going to be playing baseball in October, and probably will be for several years. It’s time to enjoy winning baseball and not worry about the success of these low level minor prospects.”
-“But we have just been conditioned for so long…”
“Stop it! Enjoy the team! Everybody just stop it!”
This was about the Rule 5 draft.
Someoe was asking who he thought would be available.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 28, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
That's great
We’re so used to panicking about things like 40-pocalypses and the Rule 5 but have no idea how to enjoy winning, championship-caliber baseball.
Love Goldstein’s response.
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
by WestTxAg06 on Jul 28, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
That’s myopic as fuck-salt.
Why those two should be mutually exclusive is beyond me.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
They shouldn't be mutually exclusive, I agree
But in a circumstance like ours, we shouldn’t miss out on enjoying the awesomeness on the ML level for worrying about things like the Rule 5 which, while important in the grand scheme of baseball franchise management, are ultimately less important than a very good team becoming a legitimate pennant contender.
I think that was his point, don’t miss out on fully celebrating what could be an awesome fall because you’re worrying about stuff you’re used to worrying about because you’re used to following a crappy ML team.
We’re starting to wade into uncharted territory for Rangers fans.
"LSJ is jealous that the M’s fans have a sucky team that they can whine and snark about. We’re stuck with a good team in first place." -- Adam Von Marriagesmasher
"I’m gonna go on record here and say a great many things excuse throwing a chair at someone." – D.A. Tron
I think he was also trying to say:
Enjoy what you have, and stop giving yourself an ulcer about a hypothetical situation where a middling nobody gets plucked out of your system because you don’t have room on the 40 man roster for him. Just enjoy the playoffs, you stressed out jerks!
*pocolypse.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Steve did a series of fucktarded fanposts where he misspelled Apocalypse over and over again.
I know how it is.
You miss one thread on here and it’s like people are speaking Chinese.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I missed a thread and had some guy yelling PENIS at me left and right.
I mean what the fuck is that all about?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Ask Spaded Snake.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you guys didn't post any pics of the three of y'all.
My world view would be shattered if I came to find out you guys didn’t actually look like John Lennon, Rodney Dangerfield and George Castanza, respectively.
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
I've been told I look like Matthew Broderick
but I don’t agree. Brian looks like a really tall Barney Rubble (and, curiously, ordered a Bronto Burger at lunch), and theBZA looks like…I dunno, no comp there.
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Ya, I don't get the broderick comp either.
Dead ringer for Lennon, imo.
Lennon:

T(im? -erry?) Ball:

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
A little different
I don’t have glasses now, had that laser surgery.
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Gotcha. Me, I'm always gettin' the Brad Pitt comp.
Dirkatron or Brad Pitt!:

You can’t tell the difference!!!!
NO ONE CAN!!!!
I"M SO HANDSOME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
damn, he's one step from Grizzly Adams there
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I was more thinking about Happy Gilmore
Where the douche said something like “Sure, and Grizzly Adams has a beard”
Then Chi Chi Rodriguez says “Grizzly Adams did have a beard”
I look like
Bob Saget
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Evidently, Tagdontweet didn't enjoy meeting us, only Tim
I say he’s dead to us.
Dead to us I say!
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
At the end of the day.... Nolan Ryan will be the next control owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball Club.
by bigoil on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm definitely ok not finding out what those guys actually look like.
Although I did manage to turn my head and see BT when he asked the question about catching metrics – at the time I thought it was Tim Ball because he had mentioned asking that exact question in some earlier thread.
I was sitting on the floor in the corner in a red Kinsler jersey. Like, leaning against the door in the corner.
I think I saw you
I was way up in the back rows though.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I was literally leaning against the door.
The one on the right if you are seated and looking at the stage. Eventually, a whole bunch of my other friends filled in in front of me, but yeah, I was against the door. AJ Preller almost stepped on me before he ended up coming in.
Yes, I definitely saw you then
I was over on the right side of the auditorium. I was probably invisible from there, but I had on a blue Texas shirt (it was actually a Hunter shirt, had to order it customized) and was sitting next to another girl with the same shirt on.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I couldn't see that corner very well.
There was a support column that kind of blocked my view of that area. Oh well.
I guess I missed John Lennon, too. Or Tim Ball. Or some dude named Terry. I’m really not exactly sure who showed up.

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