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The Rangers' confidence, and Ian Kinsler swinging 3-0

A couple of items from this morning I missed, and wanted to mention...

First, Richard Durrett has a story up on ESPN Dallas about the Rangers' confidence and "swagger," which he says is personified by Cliff Lee.  This is a team that seems to think that it will win, and thinks that it can succeed.

And that sort of ties in with the item that jumped out at me from Evan Grant's blog post this morning, on five key items from last night's game.  Grant talks about Ian Kinsler's controversial 3-0 swing with two outs in the 9th that resulted in a foul out to end the inning:

As for that 3-and-0 pop up - which according to AOL Fanhouse's Ed Price was the first 3-and-0 foul pop in the seventh inning or later in exactly one year - the Rangers were simply trying to take advantage of a hitter-friendly count. Kinsler, like Cruz in the 10th, was facing slider-happy Michael Wuertz and the 3-and-0 count was the best chance for him to get a fastball. Manager Ron Washington had given Kinsler the green light to swing at the 3-and-0 pitch.

"I got the pitch I wanted [a fastball] where I wanted," Kinsler said. "I just didn't get it done."

By the way, it was the 15th time this season, the Rangers swung at a 3-and-0 pitch. They've put the ball in play five times and have three hits.

A couple of things here...first, Kinsler had the green light there.  He wasn't swinging on his own because he is selfish or doesn't get it or whatever.  Ron Washington gave him the okay to swing.

And while Wash makes decisions all the time I don't agree with, I don't have a problem with Kinsler swinging 3-0 in that situation. 

As Grant notes, Kinsler almost certainly was going to get a fastball on 3-0.  In that situation, there's a good chance that 3-0 pitch is going to be the best pitch to hit in the entire at bat.  And as has been acknowledged, the 3-0 pitch was a good pitch to hit...Kinsler just didn't hit it.

Secondly, even if you take on 3-0 to enhance your chances of working a walk, a walk doesn't have as big an impact in that situation -- tie game, bottom of the 9th, runners on first and third, two outs.

A hit wins the game.  A walk extends the game so that Vladimir Guerrero can hit.  And yes, it means a walk to Vlad wins the game...but it isn't like Vlad is Bobby Abreu when it comes to working walks.  And Vlad, as Josh and Tom have discussed quite a bit lately, has been ice cold...he's hitting .139/.225/.194 in his last 9 games.  Kinsler was having a bad game, but I'm not sure that, Vlad really has a better chance of getting a hit right now than Kinsler does.

And I certainly don't think Vlad has a better chance of getting a hit, starting off 0-0, than Kinsler does on 3-0, if he gets a pitch he thinks he can hit. 

Kinsler got a pitch to hit, and didn't do anything with it.  That was a failure of execution, not a failure of strategy.

But I also think this ties in with what Durrett is talking about in his piece...Ron Washington wants his guys to know that he believes in them, and that he has confidence in them.  He wants them to have that confidence, that swagger...

And part of that comes from telling one of your key guys, the #3 hitter in your lineup, if you see a pitch you can handle on 3-0, take your shot at it.  Don't feel like you have to wait passively and hope to get a walk so that someone else has a chance to try to get a hit.  It is Wash's way of saying, I believe in you, I think you can get the job done, we need a hit to win the game, so if you get a ball on 3-0 you think you can drive, you've got the green light.

It didn't work out last night.  And I don't want the Rangers hitters swinging on 3-0 all the time, or even the majority of the time.

But in this particular situation, I think giving Kinsler the green light was reasonable. 

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my eyes are tearing up
Ron Washington wants his guys to know that he believes in them, and that he has confidence in them. He wants them to have that confidence, that swagger…

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Jul 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

That confidence and swagger...

Is one of the reasons we continue to make so many outs on the basepaths.

by JDT217 on Jul 28, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

.5 says hi!!!

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by bking on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's cool to be racist now

it’s the new fad

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

if being racist is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's an antihalfite!

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lord only knows how he feels about OT losses in the NHL standings...

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by bking on Jul 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't have anything bad to say about Kinsler, but. . .

I think most people here agreed it was just fine to swing there. It was just a crappy swing.

Whatever, happens.

by philkid3 on Jul 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Ding

I don’t know if it was a “crappy” swing. Even good hitters (which Ian is) aren’t going to get a hit on every pitch they like.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to hit a round ball with a round, heavy wooden stick when the ball is moving at 90 MPH+

Even when someone is hitting their face off like Ian. His pitch recognition right now is spectacular.

by FuturePants on Jul 28, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with this sentiment.

I like the green light on 3-0. My only complaint is that if you’re Kinsler and you get the light on 3-0 you can’t be late on a fastball and pop it up to first. I know that sounds like I’m contradicting myself, but I guess what I’m saying is I like the strategy, but we definitely failed at the execution.

by michael bluth on Jul 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

That's what Grieve always said would piss Ted Williams off.

On the broadcasts he’ll say now and then that if one of Williams’ players swung 3-0 or 3-1, it was fine with him but they’d better pray to God they weren’t late on a fastball. I’m paraphrasing of course.

by Black Francis on Jul 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt Lewin and Grieve would ever call Vlad "ice cold"...........

Lewin would say something like “Vlad is in a bit of a wobble right now” and TAG would remind us all of how great Vlad has been all year and that Wash still has all the faith in the world with Vlad up there.

I love the mute button.

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by Hard8 on Jul 28, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

hardly ever mute Josh and Tom...

I even have it on low volume when people are trying to have a conversation. I routinely rewind the TiVo to make sure I haven’t missed and Josh-and-Tom-‘isms’.

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

It would be different if the bases were loaded, or if the 3-0 pitch was in the dirt…but that pitch in that situation offered a quality opportunity to end the game.

by Mickey Hepner on Jul 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Did people really have an issue with Kinsler swinging 3-0 last night?

In my mind thats a given in that situation.

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by coldskeet on Jul 28, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, a lot of people

"He tagged me way up here," Andrus said, pointing to his chest. "I'm not a midget. My legs are long enough."

by Feliz es bueno on Jul 28, 2010 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup.

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by GhettoBear04 on Jul 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Fans don’t get many opportunities to help their team avoid outs. They STB on that one.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

That did upset me very much.

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by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's me

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry

by Suicide Prince on Jul 28, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

One of the fans even had a glove

Why bring a glove to the game if you are not going to try to catch the foul ball that is falling in your lap? U.F.B. Un-believable.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

he looked like he was 8. give him a break.

(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."

by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dad should have lifted him up so he could get a better reach!

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

his dad looked like he could've been his Grandpappy, too

I’m mad about it too… it was just bad fan placement

(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."

by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

This is on Nolan. He should have made sure some drunk softball players were sitting there. They’d have pulled the first baseman into the stands and kicked the shit out of him.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

and then eaten him.

(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."

by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Norm & Bass were bitching about it this morning

One past his prime and one who doesn’t want to learn anything new about the game…bummer.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jul 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha ha...

Just keep doing your thing, man.

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by Brandon Worley on Jul 28, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was frustrated too.

Not with the idea of swinging, since it was a strike, but because he flailed at a fastball…which he was expecting. Supposedly.

That’s frustrating.

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by Brandon Worley on Jul 28, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had no problem with him swinging 3-0 it's a chance to get a groved fastball and Vlad has been cold

My problem with Ian was not covering 2nd base on the steal attempt, that comes from not having your head in the game and i hate that kiddie shit from someone being paid a huge amount of money. with a right hand batter at the plate, the second baseman covers on steals, end of story.

by TRFAN on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

no problem with giving Ian the green light on 3-0

I don have a problem with Ian bunting at any point at all.

by RangerMad on Jul 28, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

haha! I wish...

Nellie could’ve finished it off with a kiss in the air towards the pitcher’s mound.

(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."

by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I intially had a bad reaction

(and directed towards AJM), but I don’t think it was the swinging on 3-0, it was the fact that Ian had sucked last night and he was late when he KNEW he was going to get a fastball. He should have started that swing earlier, and if he got a slider instead, it would have been 3-1 and keep going. But he was SO LATE, that is what bothered me the most.

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by TxStCa on Jul 28, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Everything you just said about the Kinsler at-bat in the 9th hits the nail on the head. I would rather see him look like an idiot on an off speed pitch than be late on a fastball at 3-0.

by michael bluth on Jul 28, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Realistically

On a 3-0 pitch a batter should look for a certain pitch in a certain zone, fastball, inner half of the plate, belt high might be an example. So if he swings at a pitch on the outside part of the plate, a little high, and is late, it possibly wasn’t in a good zone. If he takes a strike, the count goes to 3-1 and the pitcher gets to decide whether he is throwing another fasball, or another slider which have all been out of the strike zone. I think people are more irritated with Kinsler for producing a foul popup on 3-0 than anything else.

by Philar on Jul 28, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth:

Batters have faced 3-0 counts 5,759 times in Major League Baseball this year.
Batters have swung on a 3-0 count 291 times, or 5.05% of the time.

The Rangers have faced 3-0 counts 197 times this year.
The Rangers have swung on a 3-0 count 15 times, or 7.61% of the time.

The Diamondbacks, by my research, have swung at a 3-0 count the most this year, 28 out of 215 times (13.02%).
The Angels are second, swinging 23 out of 194 chances (11.85%).

The Mets have not swung at any of the 178 3-0 counts they’ve faced this season, the only team that can make such a claim.

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by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

These are all swing stats, so yes, the Mets have not swung at a 3-0 pitch all season.

The league only has 130 ABs on 3-0 counts, so only 130 of the 291 3-0 swingers (or 44.6%) have put the ball in play (or done something to log an AB, assuming they didn’t sacrifice).

The league is hitting .408/.968/.885 on 3-0.

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by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Michael Young swung 3-0 earlier in the game and fouled the ball

and walked the next pitch… I was in shock that he had the green light… probably moreso than Ian’s.

by JShoe on Jul 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Nadel was surprised, too.

He had just mentioned how Young had not swung on a 3-0 count very often.

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry

by Suicide Prince on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad my son wasn't at the game with me...

I have been pointing out to him how hitters rarely swing 3-0.

by JShoe on Jul 28, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Daddy's full of crap."

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry

by Suicide Prince on Jul 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

With regards to Vladdy

I think that ron probably gives him the day off today, giving Hamilton a little rest getting to play DH today. Maybe the extra rest will do him some good

Rangers FTW

by kevzta on Jul 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep

Especially after Josh crashed into the wall last night. I’m sure it’s nothing to worry about, but why not give him a day at DH while Vlad is struggling anyway?

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by rlb02a on Jul 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

I couldn’t figure out if Josh was wincing or smiling at first.

by FuturePants on Jul 28, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler performance

For the game yesterday I had more of an issue with Ian’s at-bat in the 2nd where he swung at two pitcher’s pitches (that appeared to be balls) immediately after a walk. The Rangers had that guy on the ropes at that point, he was having a hard time finding the strike zone and I felt like Ian let him off the hook.

That and the missed throw-down to 2nd are why I was annoyed with Ian. I had no problem with his 3-0 swing other than it seemed like he was going for it all instead of just trying to square up on the pitch.

by rcreative on Jul 28, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

and the jogging to first base in the second, is soooo annoying

He does that all the time, the fielders probably feel like they have all the time in the world to get the ball to first. If he actually ran fast they may screw up from time to time like when Nellie got his infield hit..

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Once a player proves they are injury prone, I'd rather them not hussle through routine grounders

It earns you a base, what? Once a season, where the first baseman drops the ball or something? That’s hundreds of unneccessary testing of hammies, knees, and ankles for the sake of one base.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Theres a difference between hustling it out

And simply running the bases. Kinsler it seems will give up as soon as he hits it on the ground in some cases and almost walk toward first base. Hes barely in the picture when the 1B catches the throw from the IF.

by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure it does...

Stealing bases adds value to the team on a consistent basis.

Running out routine grounders might increase your OBP by 1 point over the course of a season. The juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeh but if your point is that they're scared of him running..

things out because he may injure himself why would they take a chance with him going full throttle stealing bases? If the issue is fear of re-injury.
Nellie had a hamstring issue earler why don’t they ask him to loaf on grounders, he doesn.t ever.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because running out routine grounders

lets TAG and Josh talk you up, but it doesn’t do much for helping the team win.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

anytime your hustle gets you a hit that you would not of gotten..

because you were not hustling that helps your team win. The hustle of Josh and Nellie last night down the first base line got them hits. If they both had been dogging it they would not of gotten hits. Getting more hits heightens your chance of victory. Just as importantly it keeps the defense on edge if they know they have to get the ball to first because the runner is fast with a greater likelihood of error or bad throws. A hustling ballplayer who has speed is clearly an advantage, if he uses it. With Benjie Molina not so much. But whatever, that’s clearly Kinslers M.O. If it wasn’t you wouldn’t have so many people commenting on it with regularity.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the fact that his legs/hamstring are obviously good enough to steal bases and run full out other times

evading you?

Im sorry but seeing Kinsler practically walk toward 1B on a grounder pisses me off. Its one thing to be slow and thus not make a play close but to give up and not put any effort into it pisses me off

by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will pay more attention to the grounders into the hole.

Running fast on a stolen base is infinitely more valuable and worth the risk than sprinting out a grounder that turns into an out 99% of the time.

It’s not that the team is just simply terrified that Kinsler is giong to get injured again. It’s that there’s no use in placing the risk on his health for the sake of a guaranteed out.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I'm saying

If he’s really not attempting to leg out tough to field grounders, then you’re right.

All I’ve seen, though, is Kins not hustling on the easy grounders.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And as much as I'd like every player to hustle and give 110% on every play

its just not a big enough deal to bitch about past a GDT comment. Byrd would leg out every easy grounder, and over his Ranger career, it may have ended up with him getting on base 4 or 5 times more than he would have otherwise.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s admirable, the ones that do, but not worth hating a player about.

Now, if Kins is loafing on a 1st to 3rd… or a possible double, etc., then I’ll screaming as loud as anyone.

But running hard on routine grounders is overrated and potentially detrimental.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

you don't see Eric Byrnes

hustling out popups in his softball league

by kevinkinsler on Jul 28, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't have to sprint

thats the thing. But go 80% at least not the 25% he appeared to be giving on it last night.

by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

what kills me is his demeanor once he hits a fly ball.

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with fly balls

Because you can tell for the most part off the bat if they will be caught

But grounders so many things can happen where one or two steps makes a difference. Im not asking Kinsler to sprint on every single ball but when theres two outs you have to be running harder than he does. What happens if the IF bobbles the transfer? The throw is high and the 1B comes off the bag? etc, etc, etc. The way Kins runs none of that matters because he is 25 feet from 1B whereas if he hustles it could mean a guy on base and the inning extends and, if like last night, a run scores from 3B

by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

So did Hamilton

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slowly hit ball

We’re talking a well-hit grounder straight to the SS

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ian loafs on both.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see that too often

When I see him loaf, he’s hit it right at someone… I could be wrong.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ian jogs either way and always has

even before he was “injury prone”

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jul 28, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

You’d rather a player risk injury for a < 1% chance he is safe on the play?

Is your argument that Kinsler doesn’t play hard? Because, I don’t get that impression except for grounders.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there is a lot of gray area...

between a slow jog and flat out Marlon Byrd busting ass. He is more the slow jog type, he could increase the pace some probably without risking injury. Nellie Cruz flat out hauls ass and he has a history of hamstring injuries. Why should Kinsler be treated differently? And if there’s such an injury concern why is it ok to steal bases where the likelihood of injury is greater than just running faster.He’ll never be the Marlon Byrd type of player, that’s not who he is and where you get the , < 1% statistic sounds a little hoakey. Hamilton gets infield hits on a pretty regular basis because of his hustle. Usually when people are pointing something out as consistantly as they are Kinsler not husting there’s a reason for it. It’s not like we’re all blind or biased. I like Kinsler, he’s a great second baseman I just have a problem with his lack of hustle and falling asleep in the field goes part and parcel with his prima donna mindset.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

and like Texas Jihad said..

he has been doing this before his injuries so there goes that argument.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing though

For all the good that Kinsler does on the field, does it really make sense to you that Kinsler must have a prima donna mindset just because he doesn’t run out grounders. And fallign asleep in the field??? That’s so 3 years ago.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, yes it does..

If this was going on 3 years ago why are we still talking about it and candy coating it as if it has to do with injuries. I love Vladdy, he’s awesome but I would be remiss in speaking of all the good he does without mentioning that he’s a comple fuck up on the bases. If you don’t hustle and it goes on for years, thanks for fortifying my argument by the way, then anyone here as the right to point that out. Like I said I also think he’s a great second baseman and one of my favorite Rangers. It’s silly to just dismiss Vladdy’s baserunning deficiences without mention and it’s silly to turn your head the other way for someone who doesn’t give it his all.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Jul 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of it might be injuries

I think that’s all Bucky was saying. Maybe its not completely his ankle or concern for his ankle. Maybe it has nothing to do with it. Either way, its not that big of a deal. Again, you’re talking about the very few times that

a)The routine throw to first is somehow screwed up

followed by

b) Kinsler not hustling to 1B causes him to be out instead of taking advantage of the error.

With Vlad, when he tries to take that extra base and is thrown out, he is directly creating an out and erasing a baserunner. I’d feel pretty confident saying that Vlad’s baserunning blunders this season have cost the team more runs than Kinsler’s lack of hustle has cost the Rangers over his entire career.

I wouldn’t say I’m turning my head the other way on it as much as I don’t think its worth complaining about unless it actually affects the team.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said.

At the ballpark, I was pissed, but of course I was at such an angle where I couldn’t tell balls and strikes at all. If the pitch really was grooved down the middle, why wouldn’t you want Ian Kinsler swinging? Now, I’m more upset at the people who let the first baseman waltz over and make a catch in the stands.

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by rlb02a on Jul 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

The only problem I have with Ian's 3-0 popout

are the fans that let an opposing player come in to their seat and catch the ball. If you’re in the stands you have to catch that ball. Or knock it away. Anything.

by choisne on Jul 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

He's the firstbaseman that is not hitting well right now.

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by bioaggie on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

Mickey Hepner has a FanPost that says he is turning the corner.

He has looked a little better here lately. We’ll see.

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by bioaggie on Jul 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

is looking better at the plate

and unflappable at 1st base

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

is a good 'Merican name.

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

he did work a nice walk in the 9th. That was a tough pitch to lay off 3 and 2, but clearly a ball and he didn’t get himself out.

by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Jul 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

That AB really gave me some hope for Davis

It was a perfect opportunity for him to swing away and try to win the game with one swing which would have ended up like many of his other ABs, as a strikeout. Instead, he showed some patience and wasn’t going to get himself out. It doesn’t mean that he’s going to start crushing the ball like his rookie season again, but it does give me some hope that he can at least give the team Jorge Cantu production from this point forward.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Patience

According to Olney, Davis was the seventh most patient hitter of all the games last night. On its own, this really means nothing, but I thought I’d look at B-Ref to look at his numbers. His P/PA are about the same as the past two years. More importantly, His contact % is up 11% over last season. He is also swinging at fewer pitches (though his 1st pitch swinging % is well above the MLB average). His looking K’s are also down.

On the whole, Davis isn’t really seeing any more pitches than in the past, but he he is making more contact and is showing more discretion as to what pitches he swings at. SSS of course, but maybe Davis won’t such as much as we fear. Still, the lack of power is disturbing.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 28, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

the called 3rd strike on him last night

It was a good pitch to take.. looked like a ball. Don’t have a problem with him taking a pitch like that. I just hope that he knows that K wasn’t like the others.. and it was a good AB

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

1st pitch swinging

To me he looks like he goes up and if he gets a fastball in the zone he swings. Which is fine with me given his high K numbers. Last year however he would get fooled by breaking stuff in the dirt on 1st pitches far too often. This year since coming back he looks like he is able to lay off breaking pitches which tells me he is seeing the ball better

by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Davis

I think I have figured him out. It is all pitch recognition. Look how many foul balls he has. He is generating no power because he is swinging late because he is trying to figure out what kind of pitch is coming. And on another note on the douche how can you hit 355 at AAA and 190 here. I mean the pitching is so much better in the majors but to hit 160 points lower. We would all be thrilled to see him hit 245 and hit 25 HRs a year I would think.

by mainiac1717 on Jul 28, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Awesome

I just got re-tweeted by Old Hoss Radbourn.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I love me some Old Hoss facts
Today’s players are soft! Yes, I mean you, H. Street. I took a Reb Minié ball to the twain at Antietam. Twice! I remained steadfast.

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by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The twain?

Is that what people called the taint in the 1860s?

by RCCook on Jul 28, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you got shot in the taint twice

You probably don’t have this soldier thing figured out. Was he mooning the Rebs?

by blakethegr8 on Jul 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or, he could have been running away,

it’s pretty hard to get shot in the taint from the front. I’ve never met a man whose taint hung that low.

by blakethegr8 on Jul 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

rob huebel

has the best twitter page going these days

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

different opinions I guess

He’s not funny at all.

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by bioaggie on Jul 28, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like

a main reason why us fans were so mad last night about the Kinsler thing was because we wanted to see Lee get the win, and you expect so much more than a foul out on a 3-0 count

Rangers <333

by Wakes1331 on Jul 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

This

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Jul 28, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the sentiment/disgust/whatever in the GDT was

more of a reflection on Kinsler’s performance the whole night. The missed cover of 2nd…0-4 at the time of the AB… Like you said, he had a bad game…had Kinsler had a hit or two, there would probably have been less of an issue with swinging 3-0

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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jul 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

OT

While I was crusing Angelswin Blog in the hopes for links this week, I came across their testimonial section. Having nothing to do with being an Angels blog or not, that strikes me as weird. Do other blogs do this?

by philkid3 on Jul 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, it's weird

I don’t think I’ve ever seen something like that on a blog-type site.

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by Lisa W on Jul 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. Someone thanks the website for

keeping their conversations civil. I’d like to see the testimonial from the dirkatron.

"He tagged me way up here," Andrus said, pointing to his chest. "I'm not a midget. My legs are long enough."

by Feliz es bueno on Jul 28, 2010 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I haven't seen it anywhere else..

After all, doesn’t the quantity/quality of blog comments kind of serve that purpose? Testimonials seem so needy.

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by bking on Jul 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a problem with the Kinsler swing last night...

I don’t care that Vlad’s in a slump, the bases juiced would put more pressure on Wuertz to actually throw something in the zone for Vlad to crush. I mean, if Wuertz is going to pitch carefully to Vlad, he’s got to REALLY throw it out of the zone. So Vlad would see some good pitches, and I think hit the ball hard. And win in the 9th. And I was pretty pissed off after that swing. Obviously, the result is what really pissed me off, but I was grinning at the thought of bases juiced, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, tie game. Not that it matters, with hindsight being what it is after a win in the 10th…

However, I do agree with most of what you had to say – 3-0 has a better chance at seeing a good pitch to hit than 0-0; Washington showed confidence in Kinsler to get it done.

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not going to rail about us needing some porr family to help out the team...

None of that was necessary if he hadn’t F’ed up the most basic of things – covering 2nd on a steal.

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by bking on Jul 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasnt upset

about Kinsler swinging. I was upset one of those fans didnt at least knock the ball out of Barton’s glove or something.

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by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

looks like Oswalt is screwing the Astros... From Olney Tweets pieced together...
Heard this: The Astros are working very, very hard to work out something acceptable in order to move Roy Oswalt. But there are a lot of questions about how many teams would be interested, given all the dynamics — the cost in prospects, ’12 option.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jul 28, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

didn't Oswalt say he'd be willing to restructure the 2011 contract

and think about playing for east coast teams?

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by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

was willing to restructure the 2012 option money to defer some

still stuck with him in 2011 and 2012 at that high salary, just willing to defer some of the $$ of the 2012 deal. I still see him getting moved, but the return won’t be what the Astros could have gotten from him last year when his value has high

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jul 28, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't have a problem with him swinging 3-0

I did have a problem with him being late on the pitch.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Jul 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

If Oswalt takes the mound Friday night against the Brewers, “the odds of him being traded are down to almost nothing” says Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle. ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that the Astros are “working very, very hard” to find an acceptable Oswalt deal despite all the obstacles.
Ken_Rosenthal
  
Source: #Phillies know what #Astros want for Oswalt and can satisfy them without making separate deal involving Werth. #Cardinals out, #Dodgers making no progress. #Phillies divided about whether to take add’l payroll and trade add’l prospects.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jul 28, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

A Princely Sum

SI_JonHeyman
  
#rangers join fielder fray with angels, chisox. Very active for bankrupted team

Replace Jim Knox

by benjihana on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting to see

what the Brewers would want for Fielder.

by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most likely

Something along the lines of Arm/Leg/Left Testicle

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by TXHC on Jul 28, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree w/many above...mre bothered by the failure to cover 2nd

Thing of it is, when you overtly display a bad attitude as much as Ian does…the jogging to first, the sulking demeanor after a flyout, etc., you don’t leave yourself much wiggle room when you have a night like he did.

He would do well to emulate Marlon Byrd, and never ever leave any doubt as to hustle and being “in the game”.

Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine

by TedFord on Jul 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

if Ian had grounded hard into a double play on that swing would we even be having this conversation?

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by jam0152 on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Bob Sturm lambasting the fans not knocking down that foul ball.

At least someone in the media gets it.

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by Brandon Worley on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Durrett

had a piece up on ESPN Dallas about it, too.

by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting circle there

The media bashing the fans for not helping out Kinsler, who in the past bashed the fans for not supporting the team only to be called on it by the media.

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by bking on Jul 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's sad...

They had no clue. I’m certain those fans had no freaking clue a) what the gravity of the situation was or b) that they could legally knock his glove out of his hand.

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by Brandon Worley on Jul 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd just punch him in the face

I am beginning to hate Daric Barton. What a stupid name.

by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have leapt up...

Knocked his glove out of the way, and emphatically slapped the ball away.

Like when someone tries a bounce-shot in beer pong.

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by Brandon Worley on Jul 28, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

formed a fan-fence on top of the brick wall..

(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."

by mtex on Jul 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They need to show

dsheps “homefield advantage” comic strip on the jumbo tron during the game.

by Rangers_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have then retrieved the ball

Extended it as an offer back to Barton, and refused to give it to him once he reached for it.

by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

My observations about the Rangers

Molina is horrible yet theres been no talk about this being a bad trade.

I like Chris Davis BUT he cant hit big league pitching. How many second chances can he be given?

David Murphy needs to play more often. If I were G M Borbon would be the fourth outfielder. His low on base percentage is killing us as is his lack of situational hitting.

With Molina,Davis and Borbon hitting together we have three easy outs. This needs to be fixed. Too bad we booted Pudge out of here a second time.

by yaz on Jul 28, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

No. do you evidence otherwise ?

by yaz on Jul 28, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

On all your points

Molina has been better than Treanor/MaxRam, and I’m sure glad we had him when Treanor got hurt – otherwise we’d have a MaxRam/Salty show or MaxRam/TT show. The trade hurt a bit, but it was a glaring weakness.

Who plays in place of CD? Arias? Moreland? Do you want to reverse the Lee trade and bring Smoak back? (CD has been outperforming Smoak at the plate since the trade). Same concerns on the future as with the Molina trade, but immediately it doesn’t help.

Borbon has seen less playing time, but has been very streaky this year. This point isn’t terrible.

The Pudge comment is silly. Pudge is not performing any better than anyone here, if not worse.

Replace Jim Knox

by benjihana on Jul 28, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The three players that I mentioned less the cycle that Molina hit in Boston on July 16th have combined to go 16 for 95 with no home runs and 2 RBI’s the past 10 games. In my opinion this needs to be addressed by team management.

by yaz on Jul 28, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's great.

Who hits instead of Molina and Davis?

Replace Jim Knox

by benjihana on Jul 28, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think were stuck with Molina and his lack of hustle. Molina is making 1.5 mil more then Pudge makes.

I think a trade deadline deal needs to be made for at least a right handed first baseman. I dont think Moreland is ready yet.

by yaz on Jul 28, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to LSB btw - well posting, I see you've been here a while

For future reference, try to include a title out of courtesy so people can click on it and close your posts if they deem fit.

Rangers have been actively looking for a right handed bench bat (preferably 1B) for weeks now. Lack of hustle? Maybe he’s not fast, but there’s no lack of hustle. Molina wasn’t traded for for his bat primarily, he was traded to work as a veteran catcher. He frames pitches well, and works well with pitchers.

The Pudge contract is 2 years and would’ve been a terrible contract to have, especially considering the number of catchers we had to start with. I still don’t know what you think the Rangers should’ve done differently. The price was heavy, maybe the timing could’ve been better, but I don’t know any other catching options we could’ve pursued given our position now. Hindsight is 20/20 and a poor indicator of good/bad decisions.

Replace Jim Knox

by benjihana on Jul 28, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks for the posting advise. Today is the first time that I’ve posted in a long time. Not scoring runs really frustrates me. Thats why I posted today. Your comments were well thought out and I appreciate them.

by yaz on Jul 28, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woo!

You’re nice! You won’t fit in. :( J/k. Welcome.

Replace Jim Knox

by benjihana on Jul 28, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This, for starters:
Molina is horrible yet theres been no talk about this being a bad trade.

No talk? Uh huh.

by Closure GT on Jul 28, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You had me until you mention Pudge.

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by TXHC on Jul 28, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lost him at Murphy.

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by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Molina is better than Pudge

And Murphy’s OBP is 14 points better than Borbon’s. That’s a pretty small difference to justify benching your only true centerfielder.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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