Rangers have 5 named to the All Star team
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 11:43 AM CDT
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PrintCongratulations to Josh Hamilton and Vladimir Guerrero, voted in as starters to the All Star game, and Neftali Feliz, Ian Kinsler, and Elvis Andrus, named as reserves.
The most surprising snub is Michael Young, who was expected to be named as a reserve. Adrian Beltre and Alex Rodriguez were named as the backup third basemen, instead.
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Young deserved it more than Kinsler
Still shocked he got snubbed since hes respected around the league.
Kinsler
Yeah i’m not sure how he got in and Young didn’t
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Kinsler is having an infinitely better year than Young.
On the field by leaps and bounds, and it would seem close at the plate.
by Black Francis on Jul 4, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say leaps and bounds is a bit of a stretch, but at the moment he seems to be a little better, and I really like his hitting right now.
"Leaps and bounds" is probably not appropriate, neither is "stretch"
Because Face doesn’t do any of those things on the field.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 4, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd base is a weaker position than 3rd
The 4 best are Cano, Kinsler, Roberts, Pedroia. Roberts hasn’t played at all this year. Pedroia is on the DL. Ian missed a lot of time but has played pretty well this year.
Too many other good options at 3rd base for Young to get chosen.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
He's only 1/5
of a point behind him in WAR despite missing time, and 2b is weak.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Just looking at their WARs, I was actually a bit surprised at how quickly Kinsler has caught up to Young
2.1 WAR for Kinsler vs. a 2.3 WAR for Young. Its not going to be too long before Kinsler passes him and that is nothing against Young, just how great of a season Kinsler is having even without the power he’s always had.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I was just looking at that too
and was surprised how close they were too.
I think it’s the lack of power and the missed time that had me thinking less of kinsler. I’m really not sure either is an allstar but I guess I just assumed young would get in as always because of the player vote.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yup. Young has logged over 100 PA more than Kinsler this season.
Now, obviously, durability is an issue in determining player value. Obviously. But in terms of All-Star-worthy performance in the first half of the season, it’s not going to loom quite as large, especially since Kinsler’s time on the DL was at the very start of the year. And given that, as you note, Kinsler’s almost caught up to Young in terms of overall value despite missing time…
Especially,
relative to position.
It might help if MY actually brought anything with the glove.
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Neither really deserve to go
surprised Kinsler got in.
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its a weak position
i think he deserves it. who else should have got in ahead of him?
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 4, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Why doesn't Kinsler deserve it?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Based on his play
he hasn’t looked like an all-star to me. He’s in because it’s a weak position this year. I will say his defense has looked solid, though, if his bat means his total production isn’t what we’d wish.
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He's got a .368 wOBA despite the bad ankle sapping his power.
His OBP is over .400, which is what everyone’s been demanding of him. What’s wrong with his offensive production?
by Josh Garoon on Jul 4, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
leg injuries do seem to sap power
Wasn’t Vlad’s problem last year leg-related? Kinsler’s ankle and Cruz’s hamstrings seem to have affected them.
by Black Francis on Jul 4, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I just was checking out his numbers again
and I was honestly surprised by his walk rate, i didnt realize it was that high.
when he starts hitting for the power again thats going to be what we’ve dreamed of
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It's improved lately
a month ago I don’t think you could have made that post. I’m not saying Kinsler sucks, but it’s a down year for 2B and I don’t view his production so far this year as elite. I didn’t intend to elicit a slew of strong reactions, people are putting more weight into my words than I did.
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If you're the best of the worst
you’re still the best. Kinsler is in because he deserved it. The only thing that he hasn’t done this season is hit for much power which seems to be coming back, at least a little bit. .299 BA with a .402 OBP and a .368 wOBA on the season. With the defense he gives you, I don’t see how that isn’t a deserving choice, despite being in a weak position.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Is Jeter going to the NL?
Jeter has reached the Ozzie Smith and Cal Ripken zone. Until he retires, he’s going to be voted in every year.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
I wasn't too surprised that Young didn't get picked
Beltre deserves it more than FOTF. ARod and Young both have similair numbers, but ARod is the vastly superior player (and the bigger name) so he was chosen.
Plus Bautista kind of counts as a 3rd baseman.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
by Hard8 on Jul 4, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think so
Joey Votto and Jered Weaver got snubbed.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Agreed
Given my hatred of the Phillies, though, Ryan Howard being selected ahead of Votto is the one I’m going to keep mentioning.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
I understand Strasburg not going.
But picking Capps instead is retarded from absolutely every possible angle.
and Francisco Liriano
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 4, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Young simply wasn't chosen
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Old Hoss Radbourn
OldHossRadbourn Man, MLB is nuts. J. Votto snubbed from the All-Star Game! Next thing you know some used-car salesman will be made commissioner
Serenity now, insanity later.
-Lloyd Braun
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 4, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
He definitely is having a great season, but it was a close call between him and A-Rod and A-Rod got in.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It's funny, the Rangers are going to be showing up to the ASG with 5 All Stars
While the team hosting it, the Angels, only have 1. Bwa ha ha ha ha
The Rangers win again! Heh
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"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 4, 2010 11:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
finally not a serious comment
it’s the all-star game and these fools are breaking down, and have their serious face on. Loosen up those ties.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Ha ha, you hate Mikey
lonestarball @aandro If you are picking a 4th third baseman, has Young had a better season than Jose Bautista?
Don’t you always argue for the guy with the better career being in the game over a guy having a career year?
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
Yes, yes he has
Bautista has also played the majority of his games in RF.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
AJM's feelings on the All-Star Game are exceptionally confusing.
It’s stupid and doesn’t matter, yet it is an outrage that Ryan Zimmermann didn’t make it.
Young’s been better than Bautista, yet, Bautista should be in ahead of Young.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I didn't say Bautista should be in ahead of Young
I also don’t think I said it is an “outrage” that Zimmerman didn’t make it.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem awful bothered by it.
You’ve mentioned it twice now.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I think it was a bad decision
I’m not sure how you can pick Ryan Howard or Omar Infante over Zimmerman.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
...but it doesn't matter.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I don't see how Infante makes it at all
But w/e, I guess it will be nice for him to say years from now that he made an AS team.
JeffPassan: I still refuse to believe Omar Infante making the NL All-Star team isn’t a joke. C’mon, guys. It was really funny. Now, tell us he’s not on.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Then why question whether Young had a better season than Bautista?
And why would Bautista be in the mix even since he hasn’t had anywhere near the career that Young has had.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Because I was posing a question
As far as reserves go, I don’t have an issue with taking the guy who has had the best first-half. I think when you are voting for starters, though, I pick the guy who is the best player.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
This is mind bottling
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
boggling?
Mike Olt - 2013 A.L. Rookie of the Year.
He declined to accept the award as to not show up his fellow rookies. Incentives earned from being named ROY were donated to a local charity. He did not report this donation on his tax return.
Hambino 2008 Home Run Deby, Part Deux?
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by SarasotaRanger on Jul 4, 2010 11:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Already declined.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
My hope is that enough people turn down the HR derby so that......
……it becomes even more insignificant than the slam dunk competition has become.
It’s lame
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
fun?
fuck fun. I hope they don’t even have an all—star game! They just send the players trophies in the mail with a bonus check and just for men.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
You should write a blog post about the ASG.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Ha
I just don’t think it’s entertaining. Maybe if Berman wasn’t involved and it didn’t last for 4 hours, I might change my opinion.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
But...but...
Josh Hamilton in the Home Run Derby was the greatest Ranger moment ever!
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Julio double off of Dibble.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Dellucci double off Dotel.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Whatever
You really exaggerate the way people think about that. It was a great moment, mr. poopy pants.
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But but
the DUST chip!
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 4, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes - it was a great moment
Me being the only Rangers fan I know the HR derby was the only time I had people calling me about something a Ranger did. Although this year some friends have taken notice and told me they’re pulling for them.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
when he said he was doing it a few weeks ago i was very happy, nothing seems to screw up
a hitter swing worse than the stupid HR contest
I want to see Omar Infante in it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I still predict Young will be on that All Star roster
Either as the last man in via the online vote, or he’ll get added when ARod decides that he should rest his nagging hip injury over the ASB.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
When do we find out who is on the ballot for the last man thing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That's What He Said?
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Link
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
either I hit a glitch
or there is no limit to the number of time you can vote this round.
I’ve already voted over 200 times with the same email address.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Are you voting for Young?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I'm writing in Old Hoss
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Yeah I kept voting and voting
I figured I’d stop when I hit the limit, then I realized I’d been doing this for about half an hour. I figured I was getting a vote about every 10 seconds so about 180 or so…
Last year I spent 2 and a half hours voting for Kinsler over and over
Lot of good that did.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
x
d_a_cameron Francisco Liriano, not an all-star, has as many WAR in 2010 as Omar Infante has since 2003.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I'm OK with Mike not going he needs to rest anyway, but the very best part for me was
the rangers are sending 5 to All Star Game and the Angels are Sending 1 that just made my day….lol
I would imagine
Konerko gets the last man………I guess the stupid Red Sox nation may hire China to get youk in….
by death of the cool on Jul 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
Not that I'm hot and bothered by it
but if you were to say the Rangers had 5 guys going to the ASG this year, you’d pretty much assume Young would be in that list
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
And while we're discussing mistakes
If one Cardinals OF was going to make it, Colby Rasmus deserved to be there ahead of Matt Holliday.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Fact, but it's the name game.
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Youk deserves to be there as does Konerko, not sure which i will vote for
as much a fan as i am of MY i really don’t want his D on display at the ASG plus i want to see him get rest, so i will not vote for him
Mainly because I hate the Red Sox and that he is a douche
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
Some of my friends have met him and said that he was
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
I vote for numbers since i have never met the man, Ty Cobb would have never
been to an all star game if he were judged on personality alone
Ty Cobb's performance outshined his character flaws
can’t say that about many other players… especially today.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
not according to Field of Dreams
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
by which all great players should be judged
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Yes.
The only thing wrong about Field of Dreams is “wanna have a catch?” instead of “wanna play catch?”
that phrase really depends on when you were raised
I say ‘play catch’, but my grandfather said ‘have a catch’
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
It's like pop vs. soda vs. coke.
The one I grew up (fuck Coke! Dr. Pepper, bitches!) with is right and everyone else is horribly, horribly wrong.
and where you were raised my grandfather who was born in 1897
played catch with me as a kid and i never heard the term “have a catch” it to this day sounds so stupid to me, in the south (or at least in Texas) it was always let’s play catch
by TRFAN on Jul 4, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can hear this being said with Hank Hill's voice.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Cobb's numbers were always at the top and even though he was hated
by other players (and a lot of fans) he would have been an all star every year, had it been around for most of his playing days
Yeah, don't you remember when......
…….Youk was asked to switch positions because there was someone better than him for the job and he threw a fit and demanded to be traded?
Oh, wait.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
He's also the best player on the list
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that he isn't but I really just can't stand Red Sox nation
"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote
This is true.
In fact, I’ll always like the Red Sox just a little for coming back from three down in that playoff series against the Yankees. It was beautiful to see…that happen to the Yankees.
Is there a limit to the amount of vote...
because I just voted for Young/Zimmerman about 30 times.
by death of the cool on Jul 4, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
No Teixeira
I think it’s more than cool that we have All-Stars Feliz (Or “Perez” as it’s pronounced on ESPN) and Andrus but no Teixeira.
by Evil Monkey on Jul 4, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
MY would have embarrassed himself on defense
Girardi didn’t want to be put in a situation to sub for him during the game…
USA
I'm glad Marlon Byrd made the N.L. team
I still think we made the right move, because of the money, but I always liked Byrd
I hate Josey motherfucking Wales!
Me to, and if Byrd stayed here he would only be a part time player, with the Cubs he finally gets his chance
And now he is an all star , one of my favorite all time players, good guy who always tried his best
There are some serious head scratchers here
no jered weaver? omar infante? no joey votto? omar infante?? no ryan zimmerman? omar infante???
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 4, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
No Konerko or Rios is pretty shocking
Though Konerko has a shot. His numbers are pretty up there
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Shreveport Captains in LSB H2H Fantasy League
No Rios?
I haven’t actually looked at the roster yet, but how could they have done this poorly a job?
OT - the fireworks guy who blew off his arm
Last night during the game, we got the story out of Long Island about a Darwin candidate who blew his arm off using fireworks. Some wondered how in the world that could have happened. Here’s the answer:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/03/AR2010070303167.html
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
stupid as it is to blow offf your arm with fireworks
I hope they manage to reattach. Hard to imagine it was much of a clean slice..
Listening to ESPN radio this afternoon
and the host was saying how the only problem he had with the starters was Guerrero and that Ortiz was more deserving because Vladdy had missed time with injuries.
Do some homework before you open your mouth…..
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
He did do his homework.
He looked up which team they played for, and saw that one of them played for the Red Sox, the official team of ESPN.
Well if Vlad somehow had 18 HR and 70 rbi to go with his rate stats
While having been on the DL significant time this season… heh that would be more impressive not less so.
wow that is incredibly bad
a month ago they were calling for ortiz’s head
it is hard to say vlad is not top 3 or 4 for MVP
by jonathan rigby on Jul 4, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Young ought to be on the roster.
He’s been there so many years in a row now, it’s a shame to see him having such a good year and not get on. But you can say the same thing about ARod, so I can see why he got the nod even when he’s having a poor year (for him) at the plate. I’ll vote for MY as the last man. What can I say, I’m a Ranger homer and a MY fan.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Yeah, that was a pretty awful year for AL shortstops.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
The media sucks
Except for Peter Gammons and he takes it up the ass.
by cowboyranger on Jul 4, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is why I come to this site:
the rational discussion.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Not to blow my own horn here, or anything, but.....
Told you Matt Capps gets in instead of Strasburg.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
He thought Pudge would get in
He didn’t mention Capps or Zimmerman until it was pointed out Pudge hasn’t been good.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I was also right that.....
Feliz would get in because of his saves.
Saves are still an important stat to baseball people
by death of the cool on Jul 4, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Waking up...
to find out the Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus are 2010 American League All Stars is just about the best thing I can think of.
Seriously, I usually don’t give two craps about the All Star game but this is wonderfully wonderful because America needs to know about Neffy and Elvis RIGHT NOW.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 4, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
I just want to know why Neftali Perez wasn't named to the ASG
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Young
I’m a little surprised that Kinsler would have been picked over young, but not too surprised. Young hasn’t had many timely hits, has made more errors this year, and lately Kinsler is batting every bit as good or better than Young at the moment, even though Young’s average is higher right now. Kinsler looks very smart at the plate, maybe even the smartest right now.
Elvis has had a lot of timely hits too, though I don’t like the amount of errors he’s had. I would have named Young before him just due to errors.
You can’t deny that Vlad and Josh should be the main picks. Their batting averages speak for themselves, along with RBI’s. The Rangers wouldn’t have done anything without them in the month of June.
Not to mention some Yankee named Pettite
And Youk, and others I’m sure.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
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