A few thoughts on the All Star Balloting
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 12:41 PM CDT
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MLB.com has the breakdown on the All Star reserves, as to who was picked by the players and who was picked by the managers and MLB.
Ryan Howard and Omar Infante were both managers picks, not player picks, so we can blame Jerry Manuel and Bud Selig for those.
On the Rangers, there was some surprise expressed that Ian Kinsler made the team ahead of Michael Young. Kinsler was a player selection...he finished behind Dustin Pedroia in the balloting, but because Pedroia is injured and won't be able to play, Kinsler, as the next player in the voting, automatically gets named to the team. If Young and Kinsler are both in the pool for "manager's picks," I think Young might have gotten the nod instead of Kinsler.
The other thing that really caught my eye, though, was that Elvis Andrus was the shortstop picked on the player's ballots.
Now, presumably, Derek Jeter was first on the player's ballots, along with the fan balloting.
But think about this. Elvis Andrus, 21 years old, in his second year in the majors, is apparently thought by his peers to be the second-best shortstop in the American League.
While I don't think the players are the best judges of who is best, the fact that Andrus is commanding that sort of respect so early on says a lot, to me.
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I'm not that surprised
Though, year ago, and most certainly before the 2009 season I would never, ever have guessed.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
yes and they may not play him that much, maybe pinch hit ot late fill in for cano for 2 to 3 innings at best
But he will be at the game, he loves being there i am sure, like you said in 08 he was a like a kid and seem to love it
Meh...
he’ll only play a few innings. No big deal.
Let him go and have fun with a few of his teammates.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
yeah
we get what, 4 days off anyways?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
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"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Wanna go shopping?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Can't today. Gotta work. Bye.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
lsj must have loaned out some of his hate.
=)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I wouldn't say anyone is hating on Kinsler
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
not that many good AL 2ns baseman this year, and Kins is having a good year
even with missing a lot of games
Isn't it automatic?
Pedroia is injured and Kinsler was second in fan voting.
Fans vote for the wrong guy all the time.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
Kinsler isn't the wrong guy though
He’s the second best 2B in the league right now that is healthy enough to play
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't quibble with his selection to the team
But I think Kinsler over Cano is suspect.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
who voted Kinsler over Cano?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, this is embarassing
I was inferring from the comments that he was named the starter. Should have looked it up before talking out of my ass.
So why are people surprised he made the team?
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
they look at Young's stats and say, "Young has better stats!"
and don’t realize that 3B is much deeper than 2B
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinsler was third in the player balloting
Behind Cano and Pedroia. That’s why he was picked.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't mean it astonishes me that Kinsler made the team. I mean it astonishes me that
“there was some surprise expressed that Ian Kinsler made the team ahead of Michael Young.”
Surprise
for me anyway the surprise was mostly that young didn’t get the automatic pick by players/manager as usual.
Didn’t expect Kinsler in and Young to not get in, but I hadn’t considered Pedroia’s injury.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
You know how I know you're gay?
You’re bringing up the player vote as a measure of value.
Not ripping on you, Adam. I love Elvis too.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
so
which vote is more reliable in your mind, fans’ or manager’s? It can’t possibly be the fan’s.
Ephesians 1:3-10
Ha
I’d like to say none, but I don’t think there’s an easy answer. I’d like to think in some cases the manager would be the best option as simply a measure of objective judgment- he’s the sole evaluator, there’s not a mean of misinformed masses messing with the decision. But managers skew toward their own and have shown questionable judgment in the past.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
I don't see how Texas can trade Smoak
Trade Smoak, and you are talking about going into the offseason having to add both a 1B and a DH (or a 1B and a 3B, if you want to move FOTF to DH for 2011).
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Newberg's a lot more neurotic than he used to be.
by Black Francis on Jul 4, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Smoak is simply blocking Mike Olt right now.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Insanity, the entire email
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
We could move Young over to 1B and re-sign Vlad for DH.
That just leaves 3B.
Would you be willing to trade Martin Perez+ for Ryan Zimmerman?
I can't wait for Young to be moved to his final infield position
so much anger that will cause.
No Martin + for Zimmerman, please
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
On a bit of a side topic
Do you not see Vlad returning next year?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Maybe
He’s going to be looking for something like 3 years, $30-35 million, though.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So then you think there's no chance we can just pick up his option year
and maybe add a 1 year extension on top of that to sweeten the deal or something like that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Mutual options almost never are exercised
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
what kind of compensation do we get if he leaves?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on the year hes having I would guess hes borderline type A
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I quite literally yelled "Fuck No"
twice while reading that.
And laughed out loud when I saw he had David Murphy in the same tier as Derek Holland.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
agree
Found it a little over the top that at the end he seemed to think it would take a Holland & Smoak package…
Nelson Cruz...
in the 2nd tier? First off Nellie isn’t going anywhere.
Secondly how the hell do you have him in the same tier as Murphy?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Smoak and Holland....
ummmm…..hell no.
Smoak is off limits period. I am willing to talk about 1 of our top tier pitching prospects (most likely Holland or Scheppers)
In fact the best offer I think I would make is:
Holland/Davis/Font/Moreland
by death of the cool on Jul 4, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm Ian Kinsler, and I'm a Starter, Bitchez!
/Lettuce
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I need AJM to care more about the ASG!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Free cereal bowl day at Yankees stadium?
Umm, that’s a fucking stupid promo…really stupid.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
and chip platter / salsa bowl isn't?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Not according to the stringer that is at the game.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Hey the michoacana is pretty cool...don't hate
It will do well for Rangers’ playoff games
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Who are the other elite shortstops in the AL?
Also, to be honest, I’m not too surprised that Elvis was chosen by his peers, given his rapport with older players on the rangers, despite the huge age difference.
Rangers FTW
490 Feet
I feel vindicated for my Fan Post last week about the length of Hamilton’s home run. I deleted it shortly after posting it due to the immediate and apparent disgust by the people that think they run this forum. The fact that there seems to be enough interest in the issue for the team to bring in a physicist and for there to be an article on the Rangers website. I welcome the ire that I am sure this comment will bring. Have a good one and vote Michael Young.
Ephesians 1:3-10
Fuck you, man
That’s all the ire I could muster.
by Black Francis on Jul 4, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW...Medusa was sitting about 10 seats down from me last night
Thegr8tblake was taking pics of it and when we tried to get a pic with it it just ran away
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Well, post 'em fucker!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I am not sure thats not a tranny
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please sir.
It’s gender-confused…
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
courtesy of ghostofErikThompson
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Multiple people around us were taking pictures of her
One lady probably took 20 pics. Medusa looked like she was wearing blackface
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
They must read LSB, lol.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Players' vote vs. Fans' vote vs. Manager's vote
Out of the three I would think that the Players’ vote is the most likely to be done on merit. I would guess that if you asked the players who they thought the best two shortstops in the league are they would not put Andrus second. I believe what their vote says is that they think he is having the second best season and I think the stats back that up. I am not trying to knock Elvis. I think he will eventually be considered one of the two best shortstops by players, fans, and managers.
The players are more reliable because I believe they make their selections based on the statistics. They do not feel the pressure to vote for teammates and even if they did every team only has 25 votes.
The fans vote I am sorry to say has proven to be the least reliable to pick the best players. I think the selection of Ortiz as a first basemen in years past and Hamilton being selected last are proof of this.
The manager’s picks are less reliable because they are pressured to pick their players whenever they can find any possible way to justify it. They hold 100% of the vote which means everyone is going to know who they voted for and there is no opportunity their mistake to be corrected by other voters.
Ephesians 1:3-10
at least
you care enough about what I think to have ire. I can’t say that I care that much about what you think.
Ephesians 1:3-10
I think the players recognize that Andrus is a pretty amazing SS
they’re going to go by instinct and what they see on the field more than off statistics. But the difference with the players going with their gut and the manager going with his gut is that the populations of error-prone individuals still are often correct. My guess is the players are individually far less capable of choosing the team than the manager, but as a population they’re pretty good.
Go Rice Owls!
Galatians 6:11
sounds like Dirkatron:
See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
no he doesn't
he needs to practice playing 3rd
USA
by Longhorn on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll say it again, the Texas Rangers are running the ASG in
Angel Stadium
Ha!
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey Angels, tell me how our All Star's ass tastes.
/#ki’mdone
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 4, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
San Antonio.
Spurs fans hate him because he routinely insults his former city, but that’s neither here nor there.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Jul 4, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Erik Dampier feels the same way
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else notice this?
Looks like Angela Stadium
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Angela from Who's The Boss?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They fuck up everything in suburban LA
There is nothing good about that place.
by Black Francis on Jul 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Tiger didn't hit par all weekend
How awesome is that.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
he did
13 years ago. He doesn’t like plaid.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 4, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard the course doesn't fit his game...
And I also heard that a certain highly frowned upon racial epithet was yelled at him by a drunk ass. Either way he has not came back
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
yeah
that and there was a sponsorship conflict.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 4, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
booo hoooo
come play at the course that doesn’t fit your game. give yourself a challenge. and if that’s not enough of a challenge, have some race-hate
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 4, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Toronto's Molina is better
He knows how to use his massivity
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Anyone mention MY is in the final vote online?
MY, Swisher, Konerko, Youkilis and Delmon Young.
Not that he will make it… surprised Youkilis isn’t in the game to begin with, great year + hes got Boston/East coast voting.
Good for Elvis.
They mentioned it in the other thread
I just can’t stand watching Youk hit…he is as annoying as Ecstein going crazy in the on deck circle
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I don't see why it matters.
Since it “counts” this year, the managers will just probably just play the starters more. It doesn’t matter whether Face gets picked or not, because all he’ll be is at the very bottom the depth chart. Yes, he gets the title of all-star, but according to all of the cursing I read every single game, he doesn’t deserve it. Either the fans are right, which they’re not, or the managers are right, which they’re not. Soooooooo…. /Pothole
Great pinch hitter to have
unless there is a man on first and less than two outs
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Good thing we have 5 guys going
They can learn how to win from the other All-Stars.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
MLBtv
put Vlad Guerrero as winning the vote for DH….as an Angel
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 4, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
They wish.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
So did TBS...
Fucking graphic idiots.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"A win is a win. Kinda like banging a hogger on Spring Break. You’re glad hardly anybody saw you do it but at the end of the day you got laid."-- Josey Wales
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 4, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
So no Colby Lewis?
And do you think Darren Oliver has a shot if one of the starters pitches that Sunday(I think it’s Sunday)?
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Shreveport Captains in LSB H2H Fantasy League
too many deserving pitchers....
plus teams like Cleveland and KC have to have all-stars
by death of the cool on Jul 4, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously i hate the angels
but Girardi, how do Sabathia and Hughes make it but not Weaver?
because
Fuck the angels…that’s why
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Jul 4, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Jered Weaver
If I’m counting the schedule correctly, he’ll start the Sunday before the ASG.
That may be why he wasn’t named to the team.
If I were the Angels I'd of switched it around so you could have the ASG starter if possible
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Shreveport Captains in LSB H2H Fantasy League
Really?
If I’m the Angels, I switch it around to make sure Weaver pitches on Sunday and isn’t eligible to pitch in the ASG.
Why take away a start in a meaningful game for one of your best pitchers, when you’re in a pennant race, so he can go pitch an inning or two in an exhibition?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
what is the point of the ASG then? Players have egos. It's human natureto seek recognition
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
The goals of the organization...
…and the goals of individual players don’t always coincide.
If I’m a playoff contender, and I’ve got a choice between my best starter going on Sunday and then on Friday, or skipping him on Sunday so he can start the All Star Game, then I’m saying the hell with the all star game.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yep...especially when you are 4.5 out and he's clearly your best starting pitcher
you have to max out his number of starts…
and we did the opposite with Colby
minimizing his starts for additional rest
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
What's the difference?
He can just start the 1st game back from the ASG
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Shreveport Captains in LSB H2H Fantasy League
He can do that anyway
He can start Sunday before the ASB and Friday after, if he doesn’t pitch in the ASG.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to blame jerry manuel
but ole country charlie manuel is the guy to blame.
Didn't Josey guarantee us that MY would be taken over Elvis and Beltre?
And didn’t he criticize anyone for thinking that was any less than a fact?
Actually he scoffed at the notion
that Beltre would be named over Young.
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