Sullivan: Rangers "working hard" to get Cliff Lee
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 9, 2010 3:23 PM CDT
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PrintT.R. Sullivan has an update on the Rangers' pursuit of Cliff Lee, and it sounds like Tanner Scheppers and Martin Perez are off limits, the team does not want to give up Justin Smoak, and Derek Holland and Chris Davis are in play.
I have to wonder, at this point, whether the ownership situation is making the Rangers' powers-that-be more aggressive in their trade pursuits. If Nolan Ryan thinks it is unlikely that he'll be here beyond this year, because he and Chuck Greenberg won't end up owning the team, and if Jon Daniels thinks his future here is questionable because of his out clause and the possibility that a new owner would want to bring in his own people, it seems that it would make it a lot more likely the Rangers would pay heavily to win in 2010, since whatever happens down the road would be somebody else's problem.
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not me three.
I will cry for days with a forty :(
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Depending on who else is included so am I
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I want not to be, but I think I am
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
x
ed_price An official of uninvolved team said that #Rangers now willing to put Justin Smoak in a deal for Cliff Lee. And don’t count out #Reds.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
It's time != rolling with CD
Branyan could help, but that would probably just make the deal cost even more in terms of the future.
How does an official of an uninvovled team know that?
That doesn’t make sense to me
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
If you believe the reporters
The Gilbert/Crane duo never materialized.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
hahaha
Rangers officials were scratching their heads Friday morning as to why the Mariners would have taken a deal that included catcher Jesus Montero and second baseman David Adams.
me too TR, me too…and Jack Z obviously was wondering the same thing.
USA
Too fool the rangers into giving too much
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
When I heard the Yankee rumor
I just assumed it was to put pressure on the real team the M’s want to trade with.
Except
if the bankruptcy shakes out to have a new owner, that would be immediate – before the end of this season
Don't do it.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Holland + Salty + Davis perhaps?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
would be very OK with that.
even though I love holland
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love that
but I think everything points to the necessity of Smoak being in the deal.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I just threw that out there based on TR's report.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
you're right
that’s what TR is saying. I’m just skepty mcskepterson
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would do it.
Wouldn’t really like it, but I would do it.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Yep
This is what we have to realize. Any deal for Lee is going to sting. Losing Holland is going to sting but not only is Lee a wonderful upgrade over Holland right now we have guys who can come in and match Holland in the very near future.
Losing Smoak would hurt more than Holland not necessarily because of what we would lose right now (I think Davis could match the actual production Smoak will give us) but because long term we don’t have anyone to match Smoaks potential
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If they take Davis instead of a package with Montero
it’s because they still care about pitching, or like a guy like Holland that much.
All to say, I hope Rangers pitching wins them over, cause I’d hate to entice them with Smoak.
Please, please hang onto Smoak.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't make this deal.
The prospect of having Holland terrorize our lineup for the next 5 years in exchange for 2.5 months of Lee is just too much to swallow.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
He's not a crafty lefty
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
yes losing Smoak would be terrible
and losing him to the mariners would be even worse, but let’s be honest, he is no lock to be a superstar in this league.
Plus, he is just one player of the future, so everyone needs to stop saying that we are ruining our whole future just for one season. I am a fan of Smoak and I know he is probably going to be a very good major leaguer, but you have to give something to get something.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
Who is our plan B
without Smoak, Chris Davis?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
spider/maxram?
puke.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
chris davis
maybe we get branyan in a trade back. maybe we look elsewhere. you cant say that Smoak has been much better than any of those guys though, no matter what the peripherals say he should be doing.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Davis could come in here and give us what Smoak has given us so far. He may not do it the way Smoak has but if you think we can’t internally replace a 210/315/350 line then you are crazy.
It would hurt next year and in the near future until we find our next long term 1B but we could stand to lose Smoak for this year.
And to be clear I don’t want to trade Smoak but if we do I don’t think it hurts us this year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Wrong.
CD doesn’t have any plate discipline. CD walked in 5% of his PA while Smoak is at almost 14%. And CD struck out in 35% of his PA. 35%! (Smoak K’s at 20%) I don’t think it’d kill us to have CD up here but there’s no way you can logically say that CD gives us what Smoak does. Men on base create runs, strikeouts don’t.
Smoak only has a .315 OBP
I have faith davis will come back and give us at least a .310 OBP which will mean its a wash pretty much because Davis will most likely have a .240-.250 average to go along with that. Give me the .240/.310 guy over the .210/.315 guy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You honestly look at what Davis and Smoak have done and think Davis is the better bet going forward?
going forward this year.........I think they will be a wash
Going forward in the future……..depends solely on Chris Davis
If he can re-find what he was doing in 2008 then we don’t lose much especially if Smoak doesn’t learn how to hit LHP. If he can’t re-find it then yes we do lose a lot but 1B is the easiest position to find decent production out of generally. Gaining an ace makes up for any loss IMO.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
We've done a great job
of stocking 1Bs since Tex left. Power production is probably the rarest commodity in baseball right now, especially if it comes with high average/obp potential.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Yup
Quality 1b bats arent just laying around everywhere
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Hell you do remember
what happened when we ran Davis out there right?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Remember the game in New York that Mendoza started?
The Rangers jumped on the Yanks early and then Dozer (in reliable Dozer fashion) fell apart one inning and then gave up like a 5 run lead on a Giambi slam
The Rangers rallied back though… On a Khris Davis homer to dead center.
That was the hardest I’ve ever been for CD
by oc on Jul 10, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
There are options available to us in the FA market once new ownership is in place.
We can do better than Broussard, and you know it.
We seem to be surviving alright with shitty 1B production this year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Good grief...
not this shit again.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
just because i have a different opinon than you doesnt mean i have no clue what i am talking about
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If your alternative
to Smoak is Chris Davis, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
i said he was one alternative
I didnt say he was going to come up and dominate. i know he has holes in his swing and i know smoak will end up being the better player, but for right now i think he could fill in fine. So could russell branyan though. im no chris davis apologist.
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i would no doubt prefer that he isn't
but people dont need to act like it is the end of the world if he is gone
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Davis or Russel Branyan
is pretty close to the end of the world, or at least the end of our dreams.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
branyan has put up an OPS+ over 125 in each of the last 3 years
i dont know how that is bad
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he's 34
has a bad back and this is not the best chance we’ll ever have at a series title.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
but 1B is probably the easiest position on the field to fill through FA
i know smoak is going to be good, but we wont be giving up our whole future if we get rid of him
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't have anyone signed to long term deals
except MY and Kinsler. Think about that for a sec, the more money you spend on a 1B, the less you have on guys like Andrus. Remember, we have a 55 million budget right now, regardless of ownership, I have a hard time seeing us get beyond 80 million, Kinsler gets a big raise pretty soon, and so will Hamilton and Cruz and we have to resign Vlad.
You don’t trade from a position of weakness for the sake of one year. You especially do not do it at the beginning of your contention window.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
i know there are pluses and minuses for both sides of this argument
we are just gonna have to agree to disagree
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
7% increase in a 7 game series vs. the Yankees
this is our plus for this year.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I think entirely too much certainty is being given to that estimate.
With all due respect to Steve Sommers and philkid3.
I wouldn't call it certainty.
I’d tall it the best estimate we have, and anything else is arbitrary guessing/pessimism/wishful thinking.
I just think folks are taking that 7 percent
as definitive. As a best estimate, how much confidence do (and should) you/we have in it?
It’d be nice to see some sensitivity analyses ~ see the range of results. And to see how well the model’s predictions have held up against the empirical evidence, compared to what you’d expect from random guessing (or a more simple system using winning percentage or something).
Maybe I’ll get on that.
by Josh Garoon on Jul 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that philosophically
it’s the correct way to look at it, but all of these things are based on a series of assumptions/projections. The concept of this being a modest upgrade in our chances (though I think an important one) is more important to me than the exact number.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
Kinsler's signed through 2013.
Cruz is Rangers property through 2013, as well; Hamilton is Rangers property until 2012. I’m not sure resigning Guerrero is either a necessity or a a strong possibility. And a ton can happen in the next few years.
Affordably, I should have added to all of this.
$6, 7, and 10 million for Kinsler in 2011-2013 isn’t bad at all.
Kinsler only raises 2 million
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
hahaha yea right
we are talking about cliff lee here
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Aumont
Ramirez and Gillies?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
i know the phillies screwed up
but those names dont get the deal done. not with all the other offers that have been floating out there
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Knapp,
Carasco, Donald and Marson?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
those deals have nothing to do with the market for cliff lee right now
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Even Montero
and throw ins, is not Justin Smoak in a position of need.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
you think Smoak is more valuable than Montero?
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Smoak to us
is more valuable than Montero is to the Yankees.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
that's the only way I would be a fan as well
otherwise why overpay again in another trade?
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by Hamiltons Homey on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You are fine giving up Holland?
I’m not. T.R. seems to make Perez, Scheppers untouchable but Holland is conspicuously absent
So strange
Especially since he would actually be better than half of our current starters right now.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
injuries
wonder if they might be concerned about holland’s injuries and willing to deal him because of that
better than half of our current starters
except for the fact that he has an undiagnosed shoulder injury that caused him to lose feeling in his fingers and he isn’t able to pitch right now.
But other than that, yeah.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
This is the only scenario where I'm comfortable trading Holland.
If he’s going to be another Justin Thompson and the Rangers medical staff is fairly confident of that, then include him.
If not, I don’t give the Mariners a long term stud lefty for a rental pitcher, even if the pitcher is Lee on a hot streak.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Smoak
Really don’t want to give up Smoak, but Lee would make this team pretty damn good. The question I have is will Lee allow the Rangers to get out of the first round? If not, then I would not do the deal.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
They wouldn't be favored against the Yankees
Even with Lee.
But it would be a lot closer to a coin flip than it is now.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Current Team
I think the current team can make it to the playoffs and lose in the first round just fine. Don’t see the need to trade Smoak and get the same result. I know you can’t have any certainties, but “closer to a coin flip” doesn’t get me excited for the prospect of this trade.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
We probably face the Rays in the first round
So yes I would think it would give us a chance to get out of the 1st round
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So what do you prefer?
Half season of Lee with him as a possible playoff ace or several years of Smoak and Holland on the cheap?
Hard to pick anything other than Smoak + Holland.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
Ah
I think that’s right. But not exactly like that. I think the thinking was more, don’t do something rash because you think you have to please us down here – we like what you’re doing.
I don’t think he was vetoing the trade as much as understanding why he wasn’t doing it
Somebody else's problem?
Yeah, uhh, we’re still gonna be here to bitch about this deal down the road.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
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by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thats what Ive been wondering
they wouldnt deal holland and smoake for halladay so why start now for 3 months of lee.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
angry typing leads to typo's
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Closer to a title this year?
and as Adam put it, maybe you go all in if you’re not convinced you’ll be around.
Thats what my thought was this morning
and this morning I was starting to buy into the thinking, then it became more of a possibility and im back to hating it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Last year he was a shiny new toy
And we didn’t have the pitching talent in the upper minors like we do now.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Isn't there a rule about
trading someone, like Holland, who’s on the DL?
Also, wouldn’t Rich Harden have to be a part of the deal to make the money work?
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
first question - I don't think so.
yanks were offering an injured player.
2nd question? dunno.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
They can just absorb the salary
people get this confused with NBA for some reason. They don’t need Rich Harden (unless they want the contract). they can just give us cash without getting the player
I understand that
but with the ownership issue, can we take on $4 million more. It’s like the Millwood deal where we had to give up Millwood so we could sign Harden and others.
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
You don't understand it
Why do we have to give up Harden. Why can’t the Mariners just give us cash. What use would they have with Harden? They aren’t competing. They aren’t going to exercise the mutual option
Worst case scenario, PTBNL
And no, Lee isn’t making Oswalt money, so I imagine the Rangers will just pay in prospects.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Holland about to come off
He could either be a PTBNL like Owings was last year IIRC or we could activate him and trade him while telling the Ms it would be another week or so before he was fully healthy. They would just have to option him to AAA instead of putting him on the DL
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Fuck...
the M’s are going to play us off against the Yanks and other teams willing to include these top prospects for 3 months of Lee.
Fuck you Nolan and JD if you do this deal. Especially if you’re doing it because you now believe you won’t be around after this year. Fuck the both of you. This better not happen.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Hypothetical
what if they do the deal AND the ARE here next year?
what’s your stance then?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Fuck 'em...
I’m tired of hearing all this shit about building the team up the right way and spending all this time in acquiring prospects via the draft and other signings.
If they do this deal it goes against what they have been telling us they were doing with this franchise. It says they are going for a shot this year and not as concerned with building a contending and winning team for the future as well. I’m in it for the long haul, they said that’s what they were building this team for. If they do a move like this then they’re full of shit and were lying out their asses.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Not really...
…they’ve built this team almost entirely from within. Look at the roster, how many guys are (expensive) FAs?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I hear ya....
but haven’t we been hearing that same dog-n-pony show now for half a decade.
JD and Ryan might not have started it, but they sure as hell prolonged it….
I understand we’re not a big market team, but if I’m sitting in the stands for a late october/early november playoff game this season, I’m all for it.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
ok... I'd honestly rather get rid of Holland than Smoak.
We don’t have many YOUNG up and coming impact hitters. But we’re stacked in pitching.
"That's borderline retarded"
x
Ken_Rosenthal #Reds have spoken “extensively” to M’s about Lee over last 48 hrs, source tells FOXSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi. #Rangers also in. #MLB
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
go, speed racer, go!!!!
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
hes going dirkatron over it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I'm with you
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
oh yeah.
I was feelinglike this last year at the thought of trading for halladay, this is much much worse.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Definitely
I’ll send some hangover tea for tomorrow
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I'll just console myself with some Purple Drank
good enough for jamarcus russel its good enough for me!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Never tried it...
but from my understanding, you should have some fun this evening.
by lost in space on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
ive actually got a horrid cough so i really am all high on cough syrup
luckily it made me crash out before last nights implosion so i fell asleep when they were in the lead
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Got to admit...
hadn’t thought of that angle.
Molitor moved off 3B at age 33…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
He’s got the wOBA to not be embarrassing there…league average, though not with the expected power.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
My thinking is that good, if average-for-the-position, offense from a 1B,
combined with crappy offense from a defensively adequate 3B is probably worth more overall than crappy offense from a 1B and that same good offense from an impressively bad defensively 3B. I.e., I think 3B D is worth more than 1B D.
It is
Depends on the offense you get from 3B. Who do you have that can play there next year?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Whittleman, Brown, or Arias
:( :( :(
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Davis!
[ducks]
I don’t know, I just figure it would be much easier to find an average defensive 3B than a 1B with enough offensive prowess to make up for MY’s defensive deficiencies at 3rd.
But yeah, it’ll end up being Arias.
Adrian Beltre is a FA
If that excites you…good player, but getting up there in age.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
If we have money by then that would sound pretty good.
Just as long as they don’t make it too long/too expensive at the end…
ohhhhh about ...38 years ago.
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
Ok, I'll ask again
how does BK affect Nolan? He’s not going to reap the rewards of this if the sale goes through with someone else. The sale will most likely go through on the 22nd of July. How can Ryan be around for the WS if it’s not him?
What are the odds that the sale actually happens on the 22nd?
It’s not like a deadline hasn’t slipped on this thing already.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
He said he's not going to leave mid-season..
and no new owner would ask him to. A team playing well doesn’t clean house mid-season.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Who can the Red's Offer?
I don’t follow other teams prospects at all.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Leake, Chapman, and others.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Alonso
He has to be one of the players in the deal. Their latest draft makes him pretty expendable.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yonder, Frazier, Chapman
Bailey, Leake, Francisco
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
That catcher too
Mes… something?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Yeah him too
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
This is rich
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/if-the-rangers-get-lee-the-fur-is-gonna-fly.php
Just go there and read the comments about how the Rangers can’t possibly take on Lee due to MLB propping up the team.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
I need a pair of darker shades
and a tall glass of lemonade
to sit the porch and watch the fade
of a world so deliberately made
Black Hole Sun, wontcha come, and wash the rain away?
Black Hole Sun, wontcha come, wontcha come?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
x
There once was a man from Nantucket
Whose dick was so long he could suck it.
And he said with a grin
As he wiped off his chin,
“If they trade Justin Smoak, I’ll say ‘fuck it.’”
X
Tell me what you know about dreamin’ dreamin’
you don’t really know about nothin’ nothin’
tell me what you know about them night terrors every night
5 am, cold sweats wakin’ up to the skies
tell me what you know about dreams, dreams
tell me what you know about night terrors, nothin’
you don’t really care about the trials of tomorrow
rather lay awake in a bed full of sorrow
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
Even though you're gone
I’m still holdin’ on
to
everything
that
could have
be-en
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Davis, Salty, Font and Beavan/Moreland
This is what I offer. I really want Cliff Lee pitching games 1, 4 and 7 here but at the same time I dont want John Danks redux and Adrian Gonzalez redux. The trade fills their needs for hitting and a catcher while also giving them a high ceiling pitching prospect.
That package is not nearly as good as NYY's offer
Monterro himself trumps salty font and beavan combined
And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213
It's the Rangers or the Reds
Lets go Reds!!!!!!
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
We all know Cliff Lee is going to South Beach
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as he doesn't have...
…wait…what’s this…ESPN breaking in…special report?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I think the...
Big Red Machine should throw in Morgan to make sure this deal gets done for them.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It's a lefty though
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
yep
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Why are you being willfully ignorant about this?
I can only imagine what you said about Adrian Gonzalez
Yeah doesnt surprise me really
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
You fucker...
fuck this.
I’m already on edge as it is.
Fuck.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You
took the words right out of my mouth…
by lost in space on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's telling...
Didn’t wash say that he was going to be giving guys off days up to the all star break on his pregame show yesterday though?
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
could be another crazy Wash science experiment.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
drama
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Crane, Gilbert., Davis, Moreland, Salty, and E. Beltre for Greenberg, Nolan, JD, and Lee
Do it.
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
by rlb02a on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
HAHAHA
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
Guys lets be honest
it would hurt tremendously to trade smoak or holland (heck check out the sig, I have the proof to back it up), but we have the biggest division lead and one of the best farm systems in baseball. When you can put it to good use to get arguably the best pitcher in the game sometimes you have to pull the trigger. You think the stars regretted trading future mvp jarome iginla for captain joe?
Yes he is going to be a free agent, its a rental and the price is going to hurt… badly. Those three reasons are the only way a guy like him becomes available, otherwise they would just keep him. You can argue over the price (i was up in arms over trading main) but not the player and not the time. This could be the best chance we ever have. Bottom line there will definitely be something to be mad at trade or no trade, but the chance to acquire lee and the reasons and extra ammo all lining up is one that comes along very infrequently.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
But losing Holland or Smoak
isn’t going to kill our future chances either
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It'll do a heck of a job
of killing our chances
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
no it wouldn't
I would rather see Smoak go than Holland but your crazy if you think losing either affects our chances, we haven’t gotten shit out of either of them this year and we are fine
by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
We won't always have Vlad
and we’re only fine. We could be really really good if we have a healthy up to this potential Smoak and Holland
haha
we would be really good if we had a healthy up to their potential Ruben Mateo, Fernando Tatis, Juan Dominguez and Brandon McCarthy also
by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're overstating here
It would hurt them quite a bit though. Not sure where that 1B comes from…or 3B if you like the MY to 1B idea.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I don't see
us ever having more than a 80/90 million payroll, the more money we spend on guys to replace young cost controlled guys like Smoak, the less likely we are to keep this team together.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Meh
If the Cardinals, Twins, Tigers and such can do it, I think the Rangers can. D/FW is a big market with lots of fans ready to jump on the bandwagon.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
The Twins
and Cardinals didn’t trade their franchise 1B.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
There's were better
We aren’t going to trade Elvis.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Where are all these future payroll projections coming from?
Why can’t we have a 100 or 110 million payroll?
You may be the first person I've seen
actually come out and say this.
by lost in space on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
and itll hurt my prospect loving self
i went stir crazy losing main, but this trade is a different animal. this is how you win titles, it hurts. if it didnt everyone would make this trade as soon as possible and this guy is a hands down legit difference maker.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
didnt say it was the best chance we'll ever have
but for all we know it COULD (sorry dont know how to italicize, not screaming or anything) be.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
You don't make moves based on things like "could" and "might" and "maybe."
You make them on things like “what’s most likely” and “what’s least likely” and “probably.”
i doubt thats the motive behind making the deal
im just saying that sometimes you have to take your shots. like gretzky said you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. obviously there are holes in that analogy but it still applies. taking playoff starts away from feldman (or whomever) in favor of the best pitcher in baseball is certainly taking a shot at a title, not just the playoffs.
main argument of my post, it would be a tough pill to swallow based on what we have to give up, but also that it would be a tough pill to swallow passing on a guy like lee when we are so close and starter is definitely a need on this team.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
So let me get this right
You’ve lost your shift key and you just referenced a Gretzky quote?
I’m not saying you’re dumb, I’m just saying you need to post better.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
the great thing about acquiring lee as opposed to carlos lee
is that we look confident we will be in the postseason. we are not gambling that he will put us over the top (ala braves and tex) but that he will push us closer to a world series title. this is a move with an eye towards not just settling on making the playoffs but advancing once we get there.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
how wouuld this be a panic move?
we have the biggest division lead in baseball
It's not panic...
it’s trying to win something for once.
I’ll need to see the package. But god… Not Smoak! (almost) anyone but Smoak!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Smoak out tonight per EG
Arias at first.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
My bad.
Mobile with 3G sucks.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Nolan might try to rush a move bc of BK
However, Daniels has to live with this deal if he’s going to be a GM into the future, and he certainly doesn’t want to get Teixeira’d and blow all the PR capital that Teixeira’ing the Braves earned him.
jayson stark
no one cares about your tweets right now, so quit clogging my twitter with uselessnessness
USA
At least we are in this situation.
We have more good prospects. We are a playoff team at this moment. We have lots of good young players.
At least we don’t suck and have no farm system (Houston).
Even if we trade for him and don’t win the World Series (or make it), at least we still have a future.
OK....
……. how about this angle, wouldn’t you rather the Mariners have Smoak in their lineup in the future with us getting Lee then the Mariners getting someone like Montero or Ramos and having a legit catcher for the next 7 years and us having to face Lee in the post season? If they add Montero or Ramos they are much more likely to add an above average first baseman then if they have Smoak and add an elite level catcher
Montero is not a legit catcher
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Well we lose cheap salary by giving up Smoak
And I don’t think Montero is hot shit like you say he is.
The Yankees thing
if they are completely out of it now, do we still have to go with the Montero base line? I don’ think that should be the floor. Let them have it with Montero but if they aren’t negotiating anymore, then I still think the Rangers can lowball.
Only if an injury scared off the Yankee's
Otherwise it was another bid that NY couldn’t/wouldn’t match. Then it would have to be the floor.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Question
Is Josh Hamilton’s future on this team as a 1st baseman?
I (among many) have thought that he isn’t long for the OF. if they pull the trigger on Smoak, and if Davis can’t cut it, perhaps Hamilton is your 1st baseman in 2011.
I’m just thinking out loud.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
No
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Maybe
But they already moved him from CF to a corner spot to save wear and tear on his body. He’s still a good outfielder, but I will be willing to bet that by 2012 or 2013 he’s a DH or 1st baseman for someone.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
Smoakin' crack?
jk
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
Everyone would
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
But I guess Seattle wants the bat
I don’t know why they would balk at Schepp, Engel, and another minor part though
i'm torn on this.
because he’s good as fuck. but if he can’t turn into a successful starter… then honestly would he be a good person to sell high on?
half season rental ace > dominant reliever
maybe. as i said, i’m torn.
"That's borderline retarded"
it's just that
Rangers are saying Scepp is untouchable, but sources are saying they are open to dealing Smoak now? What’s up with that?
Well, I'm open to the possibility that either the Rangers know something incredible we don't. . .
. . . or this front office is a lot worse than we thought.
Umm, I dunno.. maybe because everyone is guessing and JD NEVER shows his hand...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
dutch
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Holland
I am not sold that he is a TORP
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland.
I have a bigger mancrush on him than Smoak, but that’s the only thing that would trip me up.
wouldn't be any worse
then the current production we are getting there
by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland
Smoak is more easily replaced? Let’s see Davis as next in line at 1b or the many other pitchers (not all lefties I know) that can replace Dutch.
Yeah.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sad if this goes through....
It’s also sad that I’ve been researching for the past 20 minutes how to change my s/n on SBN.
Thinking I might go with MikeFU…
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
OT
anyone watching Rome is Burning?
Is that Rosenthal hosting it?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Are you really going to interrupt this thread by asking that question?
by sprite on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, b/c they're talking about LEE/YANKS/RANGERS
thanks for playing.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
z
KenDavidoff
#Mariners moved away from #Yankees because “Someone else sweetened their offer,” source says. #Rangers or #Reds likely that “someone.”
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KenDavidoff
#Mariners moved away from #Yankees because “Someone else sweetened their offer,” source says. #Rangers or #Reds likely that “someone.”
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by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why doesn't everybody get this worked up when I ask for help with my fantasy trades?
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
by rlb02a on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Because nobody cares about your fantasy team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or something like that.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
I'm just going to say this
If we trade Holland and Smoak for this Ass Clown, nothing short of World Championship will be acceptable
Josey syndrome
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
7 game series or a Rangers sweep, nonetheless....
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I think Im going to take out my autographed smoak picture curl into a ball and cry a little
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
FUCK
BNightengale #mlb Rangers may have Mariners eat part of Lee’s salary in return for additional prospects, just as they did with SF for Molina.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I think that was a given, though.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Some didn't think so
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I was hoping that picking up Molina's salary meant Daniels' announced flexibility
could cover all or at least most of Lee’s salary.
That's what I'm hoping..
that he was keeping his powder dry for the bigger deal.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
thats has to just be
speculation, it goes against everything that JD has said about the trade deadline
by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's really not surprising
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
If Main cost 2 mil...
Does Bevean cost 3 mil?
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
no that money was set aside to feed Bengie
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does the Angrydome
turn into if this happens?
by lost in space on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This is becoming the Tiexiera trade
GM/Ownership on the way out. Going for one last shot. Selling the farm. Compounded by financial inflexibility. Argh!
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
And the Braves got so screwed that they are in first place right now.
let’s not act like that trade relegated the braves to the level of the Astro’s.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
Joelsherman1 i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
HAHAHA
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
if thats true....
dammit.
but what are the three others
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
if he got them to take Guardado
JD is a genius. lol
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
or Caminiti
whoops….
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
JD does that
and he better skip Newberg night.
Yankees fans across the internet are pissed that the Ms are underrating Montero.
Talking about how stupid they are to cross the Yankees.
I know, I love it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
But you can imagine what it'd be like if he did!
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm starting to call BS
because of the Lowe comment.
OH SHIT...
FROM LOL:
i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
OH HELLS YEAH BITCHES
please no Holland, PLEAZZZZZEEEEEEEEEE
by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Call up Davis...
and hope to god he has figured something out
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!
V
vz
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Put your fucking pants back on
you’re scaring the shit out of the neighbors.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
what is that a middle finger?
you can shove that up my ass because i feel sodomized
Rangers FTW
twitter.com/kevinkurian
cue the vuvuzelas
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know why
but that is the first vuvuzelas joke I’ve ever laughed at. rec
Kinda with you
until I see the names. I’m scared of the names.
Depends on the names.
I hate hate hate hate losing Smoak, but depending on the other 3 this may not be horrible.
HATE
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
HATE, HATE, AND HATEHATE
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Old Hoss
OldHossRadbourn
Giving up J. Smoak? Bankrupt and dumb is no way to run a ball club, Texas.
less than a minute ago via Echofon
by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
okay, it's okay and it's done
welcome Cliff Lee.
Have fun guys, going to go see Strasburg. Later my peeps.
USA
JD and Nolan can go join Hicks
and fuck themselves
And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213
by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You would think if Holland was involved....
they would say his name.
and not just include him in the three others
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
Having Lee is going to be kind of awesome
Still, HATE
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
FUCK EVERYTHING
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT.
SHIT.
BALLS.
WORDS CANNOT ENCAPSULATE THIS.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
You tell me where you at...
I’m coming and joining you. Shots all night….
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
TWSS?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
They ain't the happy shots....
Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth
I'm half inclined to hope the Rangers lose the rest of their games
to get Rendon this offseason. But then they’d trade him for a half season of Ubaldo Jimenez in 4 years
Go Rice Owls!
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a divisive issue, indeed
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Not that divisive
people are just going crazy all in one direction.
this shouldn't surprise you
they’re still recovering from their King James hangover
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
ok , listen Joe Daniels
I hope you are listening and flyin away to sierra leone…at this point, it doesnt matter I am from slovakia, I will found you… and this was the last time , you hurt this amazing club…see you soon
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
by orli on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I am a cornucopia of emotion right now...
OH GOD! I HATE THIS TRADE! OH GOD BUT CLIFF LEE! OH GOD!
CLIFF LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
feel the same...
it will feel great seeing him on our mound….
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
At least get a tissue.
It’s like when you have sex with that gross chick cause you’re hard up. You’re sexually satisfied but you feel dirty inside.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
If its true the rangers just teixiera'd themselves
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Does Sherman always have accurate info?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
He's been pretty reliable
in the past.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
not that bad but...
who are the three others?
That's not quite true.
The question is whether you think Smoak is enough of an improvement over the other options (this year and going forward) as to make his inclusion as awful as some folks are making it out to be.
agreed
its not like he has proven that he is a star at the major league level yet
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
it will break my heart if smoak is gone...
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
TINSTAAFL
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
concur
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I am, too.
Clearly the “omg he sucks because his batting average is low in his first three months of baseball” crowd isn’t as popular as I thought.
I mean, I'm a huge Smoak fan.
But I feel like his value’s been inflated quite a bit since his name started surfacing in possible trades.
Somewhere, on a golf course.....
Jon Hart just got a text, and Jon Hart lights up a cigar and snickers for a bit…..
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Fuck tom hicks
All I need is some Boomer Sooner and Texas Rangers
by mchang4 on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
start believing.....
Ken_Rosenthal
#Rangers’ deal for Lee confirmed. #Mariners sending cash in deal. #MLB
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
great that means they had to give 3 more top prospects to make the rent
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Well
now I’m starting to buy in. I’m very fucking nervous right now. Good nervous though!
WELCOME TO THE FUCKING ANGRYDOME
FUCK YOU
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions
FUCK YOU BACK TOO
I LOVE YOU OK BUT FUCK YOU ALSO.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WERE FUCKING IN THIS TOFUCKINGETHER
FUCK
IMMA LET YOU FINISH JD, BUT MY BOY JACK Z IN SEATTLE JUST PULLED OFF THE HEIST OF A LIFETIME
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go watch cash cab
y’all let me know how this turns out
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I would assume they arent since the rangers gave up smoak
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
SMOAK TRADED FOR LEE CONFIRMED!!!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
lol
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
im jumpong from the brigde now, because i dont want even now which other players we sell to the mariners...
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
These are the laws of the Angrydome
2 M’s enter
3 prospects leave
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
so maybe Davis comes back and has figured it out....
right>>>>>>
please?
oh god.
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
Look what Hurdle has done with Ham.....
spread the wealth Clint!
Why do some people think aquariums are cruel? The fish love it there! They told me. They said, "Truthfully Rich, it's fuckin awesome. There's no predators. No nets, no pollution. It's like the ocean without all the bullshit." -Richard Jeni
It will be a nice feeling to see him on the mound in game 1 of the playoffs
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
in a Rangers uni
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I can't wait to see a pitcher strike out 1/3 of opposing batters
That will be fucking grand!
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee has done it 3 times this year
Last time was July 4. (11 of 34)
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but each time Lee does that, it's probably a win for the Rangers.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how to feel..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
more possible confirmation
ThatSportsGirl
looks like justin smoak just walked out of a meeting #fb
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
some more
Buster Olney Buster_ESPN
Heard this: SEA is kicking in $2.5 million in order to help offset the $4 million owed to Lee. In return, Texas gave a better package (more)
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Buster_ESPN
of prospects besides Smoak.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
OMG PLEASE BE TRUE
OFISJDIOFJSDIOfjSIOf
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
DAMMIT
my eyes made me want tosee something else there
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that's a continued post, buddy.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
This is really the only part of the deal that pisses me off.
But JD had to play the hand dealt to him.
P.S. Fuck Tom Hicks.
Sometimes you can fold and wait for the next hand
Maybe you’ll get somebody that’s not a 2 fucking month rental.
by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats exactly what i didnt want to see
kicking in MORE prospects because the teams broke
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I remember when 2.5 mil was chump change
* snif *
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It just started raining.....
bad sign?
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
God is crying
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do whatever it takes.
HHHHEEEELLLLLLLLLOOOOOO, ITS FREAKIN CLIFF, I’M GONNA TAKE A YANKEE DOWN, LEE.
and i am saying good bye to this fuckin world
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
OK WHOOOOOO? Did we lose??????????
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
wut...
3:57pm: The Rangers will acquire Lee and Mark Lowe for Justin Smoak and three others, according to Sherman (via Twitter). Lowe will miss the rest of the season with back surgery, so his inclusion in the trade is puzzling. Rosenthal confirms that the Rangers are acquiring Lee and says the Mariners are sending cash (Twitter link).
he won’t even be playing for us this year.
"That's borderline retarded"
yeah... wtf is up with lowe?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It maybe to offset salary?
It’s anyones guess at this point. How many years does Lowe have left on his contract?
ok ESPN reported it
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
I am a little confused though
is Lowe a part of the deal or not.
Is it 4 Rangers for one Cliff Lee?
If so, that is leaning towards “the fleecing” side.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Lowe
How many years of service does he have?
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he is old, I'm just saying
4 for 1 is Gasol-ish
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
2 years of team control left after this
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
MLBN has confirmed Lee to Rangers
in a 6-player deal.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
looking at the bright side of this
the rotations gonna be:
Lee
Colbyashi
CJ
Hunter
Holland (as long as he’s still here)
geez, if Harden ever gets it together…..drool…..
so very much this
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
I dont have time for your optimistic bullshit right now
ANGRY DOME!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Every single time Cliff Lee allows a hard hit fly ball, or walks a batter, or allows a run, or loses a game. . .
. . . I will be irrationally pissed.
Every game the Rangers lose int he playoffs, I will curse the name of Jon Daniels.
And every time Justin Smoak gets on base for the next five years, I will think about how much better it would be to have been addicted to another franchise.
by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I want to know the other names involved....
or maybe I dont
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions
team meeting about to go down
I assume we’ll know when they walk out.
rumors are that Cliff starts for us tomorrow.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
somewhere Mike Scoscia is shitting in his pants.
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
he shits his pants anyways
/incontinence
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
That WOULD explain the face...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
ANNOUNCEMENT
ThatSportsGirl
everyone looking at mlb announcement of cliff lee dal. someone just announced “we got him!” & they closed the clubhouse. 5pm press conf..#fb
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I just hope Smoak and MY weren't close friends
don’t want a pissy MY again
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
OK, DANIELS I OFFICIALY HATE U
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
bye Smoakie, it's been fun, sob
I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.
I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!
it will be funny to watch mariners rolling our division next years with smoak ahead....
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
and w8 what ? it will be funny when we get out play off in first round
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!