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Sullivan: Rangers "working hard" to get Cliff Lee

T.R. Sullivan has an update on the Rangers' pursuit of Cliff Lee, and it sounds like Tanner Scheppers and Martin Perez are off limits, the team does not want to give up Justin Smoak, and Derek Holland and Chris Davis are in play.

I have to wonder, at this point, whether the ownership situation is making the Rangers' powers-that-be more aggressive in their trade pursuits.  If Nolan Ryan thinks it is unlikely that he'll be here beyond this year, because he and Chuck Greenberg won't end up owning the team, and if Jon Daniels thinks his future here is questionable because of his out clause and the possibility that a new owner would want to bring in his own people, it seems that it would make it a lot more likely the Rangers would pay heavily to win in 2010, since whatever happens down the road would be somebody else's problem.

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"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008

by kentbenfer on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

not me three.

I will cry for days with a forty :(

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way

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by t ball on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depending on who else is included so am I

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want not to be, but I think I am

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by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

SHUT UP

http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/

by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
ed_price An official of uninvolved team said that #Rangers now willing to put Justin Smoak in a deal for Cliff Lee. And don’t count out #Reds.

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by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

It's time != rolling with CD

Branyan could help, but that would probably just make the deal cost even more in terms of the future.

by Closure GT on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

This better be false.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does an official of an uninvovled team know that?

That doesn’t make sense to me

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

F THAT

F THAT SHIT UNTIL IT IS UNRECOGNIZABLE

http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/

by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you believe the reporters

The Gilbert/Crane duo never materialized.

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by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

hahaha
Rangers officials were scratching their heads Friday morning as to why the Mariners would have taken a deal that included catcher Jesus Montero and second baseman David Adams.

me too TR, me too…and Jack Z obviously was wondering the same thing.

USA

by Longhorn on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Too fool the rangers into giving too much

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I heard the Yankee rumor

I just assumed it was to put pressure on the real team the M’s want to trade with.

by bdavison94 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except

if the bankruptcy shakes out to have a new owner, that would be immediate – before the end of this season

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't do it.

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jul 9, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Holland + Salty + Davis perhaps?

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

would be very OK with that.

even though I love holland

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland

Losing Holland would hurt but I’d do that deal.

by jf55510 on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love that

but I think everything points to the necessity of Smoak being in the deal.

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just threw that out there based on TR's report.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

that’s what TR is saying. I’m just skepty mcskepterson

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would do it.

Wouldn’t really like it, but I would do it.

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by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

This is what we have to realize. Any deal for Lee is going to sting. Losing Holland is going to sting but not only is Lee a wonderful upgrade over Holland right now we have guys who can come in and match Holland in the very near future.

Losing Smoak would hurt more than Holland not necessarily because of what we would lose right now (I think Davis could match the actual production Smoak will give us) but because long term we don’t have anyone to match Smoaks potential

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they take Davis instead of a package with Montero

it’s because they still care about pitching, or like a guy like Holland that much.

All to say, I hope Rangers pitching wins them over, cause I’d hate to entice them with Smoak.

Please, please hang onto Smoak.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't make this deal.

The prospect of having Holland terrorize our lineup for the next 5 years in exchange for 2.5 months of Lee is just too much to swallow.

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by Athos on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not a crafty lefty

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by bking on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes losing Smoak would be terrible

and losing him to the mariners would be even worse, but let’s be honest, he is no lock to be a superstar in this league.

Plus, he is just one player of the future, so everyone needs to stop saying that we are ruining our whole future just for one season. I am a fan of Smoak and I know he is probably going to be a very good major leaguer, but you have to give something to get something.

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Who is our plan B

without Smoak, Chris Davis?

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

spider/maxram?

puke.

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"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

chris davis

maybe we get branyan in a trade back. maybe we look elsewhere. you cant say that Smoak has been much better than any of those guys though, no matter what the peripherals say he should be doing.

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Davis could come in here and give us what Smoak has given us so far. He may not do it the way Smoak has but if you think we can’t internally replace a 210/315/350 line then you are crazy.

It would hurt next year and in the near future until we find our next long term 1B but we could stand to lose Smoak for this year.

And to be clear I don’t want to trade Smoak but if we do I don’t think it hurts us this year

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

CD doesn’t have any plate discipline. CD walked in 5% of his PA while Smoak is at almost 14%. And CD struck out in 35% of his PA. 35%! (Smoak K’s at 20%) I don’t think it’d kill us to have CD up here but there’s no way you can logically say that CD gives us what Smoak does. Men on base create runs, strikeouts don’t.

by choisne on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak only has a .315 OBP

I have faith davis will come back and give us at least a .310 OBP which will mean its a wash pretty much because Davis will most likely have a .240-.250 average to go along with that. Give me the .240/.310 guy over the .210/.315 guy

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

going forward this year.........I think they will be a wash

Going forward in the future……..depends solely on Chris Davis

If he can re-find what he was doing in 2008 then we don’t lose much especially if Smoak doesn’t learn how to hit LHP. If he can’t re-find it then yes we do lose a lot but 1B is the easiest position to find decent production out of generally. Gaining an ace makes up for any loss IMO.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've done a great job

of stocking 1Bs since Tex left. Power production is probably the rarest commodity in baseball right now, especially if it comes with high average/obp potential.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait.

Is Smoak a sure-fire 30HR guy now too?

by JDT217 on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um

You do remember what we ran out there prior to Davis right?

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell you do remember

what happened when we ran Davis out there right?

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the game in New York that Mendoza started?

The Rangers jumped on the Yanks early and then Dozer (in reliable Dozer fashion) fell apart one inning and then gave up like a 5 run lead on a Giambi slam

The Rangers rallied back though… On a Khris Davis homer to dead center.

That was the hardest I’ve ever been for CD

by oc on Jul 10, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

We seem to be surviving alright with shitty 1B production this year

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good grief...

not this shit again.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

just because i have a different opinon than you doesnt mean i have no clue what i am talking about

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your alternative

to Smoak is Chris Davis, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said he was one alternative

I didnt say he was going to come up and dominate. i know he has holes in his swing and i know smoak will end up being the better player, but for right now i think he could fill in fine. So could russell branyan though. im no chris davis apologist.

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would no doubt prefer that he isn't

but people dont need to act like it is the end of the world if he is gone

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Davis or Russel Branyan

is pretty close to the end of the world, or at least the end of our dreams.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

branyan has put up an OPS+ over 125 in each of the last 3 years

i dont know how that is bad

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he's 34

has a bad back and this is not the best chance we’ll ever have at a series title.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

but 1B is probably the easiest position on the field to fill through FA

i know smoak is going to be good, but we wont be giving up our whole future if we get rid of him

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't have anyone signed to long term deals

except MY and Kinsler. Think about that for a sec, the more money you spend on a 1B, the less you have on guys like Andrus. Remember, we have a 55 million budget right now, regardless of ownership, I have a hard time seeing us get beyond 80 million, Kinsler gets a big raise pretty soon, and so will Hamilton and Cruz and we have to resign Vlad.

You don’t trade from a position of weakness for the sake of one year. You especially do not do it at the beginning of your contention window.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know there are pluses and minuses for both sides of this argument

we are just gonna have to agree to disagree

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

7% increase in a 7 game series vs. the Yankees

this is our plus for this year.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it certainty.

I’d tall it the best estimate we have, and anything else is arbitrary guessing/pessimism/wishful thinking.

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think folks are taking that 7 percent

as definitive. As a best estimate, how much confidence do (and should) you/we have in it?

It’d be nice to see some sensitivity analyses ~ see the range of results. And to see how well the model’s predictions have held up against the empirical evidence, compared to what you’d expect from random guessing (or a more simple system using winning percentage or something).

Maybe I’ll get on that.

by Josh Garoon on Jul 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that philosophically

it’s the correct way to look at it, but all of these things are based on a series of assumptions/projections. The concept of this being a modest upgrade in our chances (though I think an important one) is more important to me than the exact number.

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by t ball on Jul 11, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler's signed through 2013.

Cruz is Rangers property through 2013, as well; Hamilton is Rangers property until 2012. I’m not sure resigning Guerrero is either a necessity or a a strong possibility. And a ton can happen in the next few years.

by Josh Garoon on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d say it’s more likely than not that we don’t resign Vladdy.

by JDT217 on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler only raises 2 million

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha yea right

we are talking about cliff lee here

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aumont

Ramirez and Gillies?

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know the phillies screwed up

but those names dont get the deal done. not with all the other offers that have been floating out there

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knapp,

Carasco, Donald and Marson?

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

those deals have nothing to do with the market for cliff lee right now

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Montero

and throw ins, is not Justin Smoak in a position of need.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

you think Smoak is more valuable than Montero?

Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?

by tricer on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

To us...yes

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

well...

I’m sure Jesus would agree too.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak to us

is more valuable than Montero is to the Yankees.

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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can get Lee

without Perez, Scheppers, or Smoak, I’m behind the deal.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

that's the only way I would be a fan as well

otherwise why overpay again in another trade?

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by Hamiltons Homey on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are fine giving up Holland?

I’m not. T.R. seems to make Perez, Scheppers untouchable but Holland is conspicuously absent

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

So strange

Especially since he would actually be better than half of our current starters right now.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

injuries

wonder if they might be concerned about holland’s injuries and willing to deal him because of that

by shock00 on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

better than half of our current starters

except for the fact that he has an undiagnosed shoulder injury that caused him to lose feeling in his fingers and he isn’t able to pitch right now.

But other than that, yeah.

Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?

by tricer on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the only scenario where I'm comfortable trading Holland.

If he’s going to be another Justin Thompson and the Rangers medical staff is fairly confident of that, then include him.

If not, I don’t give the Mariners a long term stud lefty for a rental pitcher, even if the pitcher is Lee on a hot streak.

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Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball

by Athos on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak

Really don’t want to give up Smoak, but Lee would make this team pretty damn good. The question I have is will Lee allow the Rangers to get out of the first round? If not, then I would not do the deal.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

They wouldn't be favored against the Yankees

Even with Lee.

But it would be a lot closer to a coin flip than it is now.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Current Team

I think the current team can make it to the playoffs and lose in the first round just fine. Don’t see the need to trade Smoak and get the same result. I know you can’t have any certainties, but “closer to a coin flip” doesn’t get me excited for the prospect of this trade.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

We probably face the Rays in the first round

So yes I would think it would give us a chance to get out of the 1st round

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what do you prefer?

Half season of Lee with him as a possible playoff ace or several years of Smoak and Holland on the cheap?

Hard to pick anything other than Smoak + Holland.

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

heh...if we include holland

we’re saying a royal fuck you to Mike Young

USA

by Longhorn on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah

I think that’s right. But not exactly like that. I think the thinking was more, don’t do something rash because you think you have to please us down here – we like what you’re doing.

I don’t think he was vetoing the trade as much as understanding why he wasn’t doing it

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

why?

^^

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody else's problem?

Yeah, uhh, we’re still gonna be here to bitch about this deal down the road.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

this.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

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by chezBK203 on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what Ive been wondering

they wouldnt deal holland and smoake for halladay so why start now for 3 months of lee.

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by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

smoake.

is that like neftali perez?

by kchorton on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

angry typing leads to typo's

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by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Closer to a title this year?

and as Adam put it, maybe you go all in if you’re not convinced you’ll be around.

by bdavison94 on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what my thought was this morning

and this morning I was starting to buy into the thinking, then it became more of a possibility and im back to hating it

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by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year he was a shiny new toy

And we didn’t have the pitching talent in the upper minors like we do now.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't there a rule about

trading someone, like Holland, who’s on the DL?

Also, wouldn’t Rich Harden have to be a part of the deal to make the money work?

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by kentbenfer on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

first question - I don't think so.

yanks were offering an injured player.

2nd question? dunno.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can just absorb the salary

people get this confused with NBA for some reason. They don’t need Rich Harden (unless they want the contract). they can just give us cash without getting the player

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that

but with the ownership issue, can we take on $4 million more. It’s like the Millwood deal where we had to give up Millwood so we could sign Harden and others.

"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008

by kentbenfer on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't understand it

Why do we have to give up Harden. Why can’t the Mariners just give us cash. What use would they have with Harden? They aren’t competing. They aren’t going to exercise the mutual option

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

screw me

"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008

by kentbenfer on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worst case scenario, PTBNL

And no, Lee isn’t making Oswalt money, so I imagine the Rangers will just pay in prospects.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland about to come off

He could either be a PTBNL like Owings was last year IIRC or we could activate him and trade him while telling the Ms it would be another week or so before he was fully healthy. They would just have to option him to AAA instead of putting him on the DL

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck...

the M’s are going to play us off against the Yanks and other teams willing to include these top prospects for 3 months of Lee.

Fuck you Nolan and JD if you do this deal. Especially if you’re doing it because you now believe you won’t be around after this year. Fuck the both of you. This better not happen.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Hypothetical

what if they do the deal AND the ARE here next year?

what’s your stance then?

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck 'em...

I’m tired of hearing all this shit about building the team up the right way and spending all this time in acquiring prospects via the draft and other signings.

If they do this deal it goes against what they have been telling us they were doing with this franchise. It says they are going for a shot this year and not as concerned with building a contending and winning team for the future as well. I’m in it for the long haul, they said that’s what they were building this team for. If they do a move like this then they’re full of shit and were lying out their asses.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really...

…they’ve built this team almost entirely from within. Look at the roster, how many guys are (expensive) FAs?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear ya....

but haven’t we been hearing that same dog-n-pony show now for half a decade.

JD and Ryan might not have started it, but they sure as hell prolonged it….

I understand we’re not a big market team, but if I’m sitting in the stands for a late october/early november playoff game this season, I’m all for it.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok... I'd honestly rather get rid of Holland than Smoak.

We don’t have many YOUNG up and coming impact hitters. But we’re stacked in pitching.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

x

Ken_Rosenthal #Reds have spoken “extensively” to M’s about Lee over last 48 hrs, source tells FOXSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi. #Rangers also in. #MLB

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

go, speed racer, go!!!!

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

hes going dirkatron over it

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah.

I was feelinglike this last year at the thought of trading for halladay, this is much much worse.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

I’ll send some hangover tea for tomorrow

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll just console myself with some Purple Drank

good enough for jamarcus russel its good enough for me!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never tried it...

but from my understanding, you should have some fun this evening.

by lost in space on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive actually got a horrid cough so i really am all high on cough syrup

luckily it made me crash out before last nights implosion so i fell asleep when they were in the lead

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concur.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got to admit...

hadn’t thought of that angle.

Molitor moved off 3B at age 33…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

He’s got the wOBA to not be embarrassing there…league average, though not with the expected power.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thinking is that good, if average-for-the-position, offense from a 1B,

combined with crappy offense from a defensively adequate 3B is probably worth more overall than crappy offense from a 1B and that same good offense from an impressively bad defensively 3B. I.e., I think 3B D is worth more than 1B D.

by Closure GT on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is

Depends on the offense you get from 3B. Who do you have that can play there next year?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whittleman, Brown, or Arias

:( :( :(

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis!

[ducks]

I don’t know, I just figure it would be much easier to find an average defensive 3B than a 1B with enough offensive prowess to make up for MY’s defensive deficiencies at 3rd.

But yeah, it’ll end up being Arias.

by Closure GT on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adrian Beltre is a FA

If that excites you…good player, but getting up there in age.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we have money by then that would sound pretty good.

Just as long as they don’t make it too long/too expensive at the end…

by Closure GT on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ohhhhh about ...38 years ago.

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I'll ask again

how does BK affect Nolan? He’s not going to reap the rewards of this if the sale goes through with someone else. The sale will most likely go through on the 22nd of July. How can Ryan be around for the WS if it’s not him?

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

What are the odds that the sale actually happens on the 22nd?

It’s not like a deadline hasn’t slipped on this thing already.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said he's not going to leave mid-season..

and no new owner would ask him to. A team playing well doesn’t clean house mid-season.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who can the Red's Offer?

I don’t follow other teams prospects at all.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Leake, Chapman, and others.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alonso

He has to be one of the players in the deal. Their latest draft makes him pretty expendable.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yonder, Frazier, Chapman

Bailey, Leake, Francisco

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That catcher too

Mes… something?

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah him too

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is rich

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/if-the-rangers-get-lee-the-fur-is-gonna-fly.php

Just go there and read the comments about how the Rangers can’t possibly take on Lee due to MLB propping up the team.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I need a pair of darker shades

and a tall glass of lemonade
to sit the porch and watch the fade
of a world so deliberately made

by Telegraph on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Black Hole Sun, wontcha come, and wash the rain away?

Black Hole Sun, wontcha come, wontcha come?

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

x

There once was a man from Nantucket
Whose dick was so long he could suck it.
And he said with a grin
As he wiped off his chin,
“If they trade Justin Smoak, I’ll say ‘fuck it.’”

by blakethegr8 on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

X

Tell me what you know about dreamin’ dreamin’
you don’t really know about nothin’ nothin’
tell me what you know about them night terrors every night
5 am, cold sweats wakin’ up to the skies
tell me what you know about dreams, dreams
tell me what you know about night terrors, nothin’
you don’t really care about the trials of tomorrow
rather lay awake in a bed full of sorrow

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even though you're gone

I’m still holdin’ on
to
everything
that
could have
be-en

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis, Salty, Font and Beavan/Moreland

This is what I offer. I really want Cliff Lee pitching games 1, 4 and 7 here but at the same time I dont want John Danks redux and Adrian Gonzalez redux. The trade fills their needs for hitting and a catcher while also giving them a high ceiling pitching prospect.

by neon greon on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

That package is not nearly as good as NYY's offer

Monterro himself trumps salty font and beavan combined

And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213

by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Needs moar.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the Rangers or the Reds

Lets go Reds!!!!!!

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

As long as he doesn't have...

…wait…what’s this…ESPN breaking in…special report?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the...

Big Red Machine should throw in Morgan to make sure this deal gets done for them.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a lefty though

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah doesnt surprise me really

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You fucker...

fuck this.

I’m already on edge as it is.

Fuck.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's telling...

Didn’t wash say that he was going to be giving guys off days up to the all star break on his pregame show yesterday though?

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOUD NOISES!!

And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213

by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

could be another crazy Wash science experiment.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

drama

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

LEFTY!

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No! That's not true! That's impossible!

WHERE’S SMOAK? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by Closure GT on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd for

lulz.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD

I’m crawling into my tornado shelter

by Heebs on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

HAHAHA

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys lets be honest

it would hurt tremendously to trade smoak or holland (heck check out the sig, I have the proof to back it up), but we have the biggest division lead and one of the best farm systems in baseball. When you can put it to good use to get arguably the best pitcher in the game sometimes you have to pull the trigger. You think the stars regretted trading future mvp jarome iginla for captain joe?

Yes he is going to be a free agent, its a rental and the price is going to hurt… badly. Those three reasons are the only way a guy like him becomes available, otherwise they would just keep him. You can argue over the price (i was up in arms over trading main) but not the player and not the time. This could be the best chance we ever have. Bottom line there will definitely be something to be mad at trade or no trade, but the chance to acquire lee and the reasons and extra ammo all lining up is one that comes along very infrequently.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

But losing Holland or Smoak

isn’t going to kill our future chances either

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll do a heck of a job

of killing our chances

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

no it wouldn't

I would rather see Smoak go than Holland but your crazy if you think losing either affects our chances, we haven’t gotten shit out of either of them this year and we are fine

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

We won't always have Vlad

and we’re only fine. We could be really really good if we have a healthy up to this potential Smoak and Holland

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

we would be really good if we had a healthy up to their potential Ruben Mateo, Fernando Tatis, Juan Dominguez and Brandon McCarthy also

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're overstating here

It would hurt them quite a bit though. Not sure where that 1B comes from…or 3B if you like the MY to 1B idea.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see

us ever having more than a 80/90 million payroll, the more money we spend on guys to replace young cost controlled guys like Smoak, the less likely we are to keep this team together.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

If the Cardinals, Twins, Tigers and such can do it, I think the Rangers can. D/FW is a big market with lots of fans ready to jump on the bandwagon.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Twins

and Cardinals didn’t trade their franchise 1B.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's were better

We aren’t going to trade Elvis.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

and itll hurt my prospect loving self

i went stir crazy losing main, but this trade is a different animal. this is how you win titles, it hurts. if it didnt everyone would make this trade as soon as possible and this guy is a hands down legit difference maker.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

didnt say it was the best chance we'll ever have

but for all we know it COULD (sorry dont know how to italicize, not screaming or anything) be.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't make moves based on things like "could" and "might" and "maybe."

You make them on things like “what’s most likely” and “what’s least likely” and “probably.”

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt thats the motive behind making the deal

im just saying that sometimes you have to take your shots. like gretzky said you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. obviously there are holes in that analogy but it still applies. taking playoff starts away from feldman (or whomever) in favor of the best pitcher in baseball is certainly taking a shot at a title, not just the playoffs.

main argument of my post, it would be a tough pill to swallow based on what we have to give up, but also that it would be a tough pill to swallow passing on a guy like lee when we are so close and starter is definitely a need on this team.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

So let me get this right

You’ve lost your shift key and you just referenced a Gretzky quote?

I’m not saying you’re dumb, I’m just saying you need to post better.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

the great thing about acquiring lee as opposed to carlos lee

is that we look confident we will be in the postseason. we are not gambling that he will put us over the top (ala braves and tex) but that he will push us closer to a world series title. this is a move with an eye towards not just settling on making the playoffs but advancing once we get there.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deals made in a panic are never good

NEVER GOOD. This is my life you are playing with!

by Heebs on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

how wouuld this be a panic move?

we have the biggest division lead in baseball

by kumizi on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not panic...

it’s trying to win something for once.

I’ll need to see the package. But god… Not Smoak! (almost) anyone but Smoak!

by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak out tonight per EG

Arias at first.

"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton

by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

My bad.

Mobile with 3G sucks.

"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton

by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty vs lefty

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nolan might try to rush a move bc of BK

However, Daniels has to live with this deal if he’s going to be a GM into the future, and he certainly doesn’t want to get Teixeira’d and blow all the PR capital that Teixeira’ing the Braves earned him.

by BuckyB on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

At least we are in this situation.

We have more good prospects. We are a playoff team at this moment. We have lots of good young players.

At least we don’t suck and have no farm system (Houston).

Even if we trade for him and don’t win the World Series (or make it), at least we still have a future.

by mizzou918 on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

OK....

……. how about this angle, wouldn’t you rather the Mariners have Smoak in their lineup in the future with us getting Lee then the Mariners getting someone like Montero or Ramos and having a legit catcher for the next 7 years and us having to face Lee in the post season? If they add Montero or Ramos they are much more likely to add an above average first baseman then if they have Smoak and add an elite level catcher

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The Yankees thing

if they are completely out of it now, do we still have to go with the Montero base line? I don’ think that should be the floor. Let them have it with Montero but if they aren’t negotiating anymore, then I still think the Rangers can lowball.

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Only if an injury scared off the Yankee's

Otherwise it was another bid that NY couldn’t/wouldn’t match. Then it would have to be the floor.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Borbon out of lineup too

Clearly this means Smoak and Borbon for Lee and Gutierrez straight up

by texasraider on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

heh

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question

Is Josh Hamilton’s future on this team as a 1st baseman?

I (among many) have thought that he isn’t long for the OF. if they pull the trigger on Smoak, and if Davis can’t cut it, perhaps Hamilton is your 1st baseman in 2011.

I’m just thinking out loud.

"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa

by Hard8 on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

No

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

you probably

have down syndrome.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But they already moved him from CF to a corner spot to save wear and tear on his body. He’s still a good outfielder, but I will be willing to bet that by 2012 or 2013 he’s a DH or 1st baseman for someone.

"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa

by Hard8 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoakin' crack?

jk

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehe

Good imagination, although, I imagine it would piss off Hammy.

I’d be down if we signed Crawford, too :), while we’re playing fantasy baseball

by BuckyB on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

and we really don’t know why. It might be an injury we dont’ know about

by ab03 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone would

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I guess Seattle wants the bat

I don’t know why they would balk at Schepp, Engel, and another minor part though

by rangersfan32 on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm torn on this.

because he’s good as fuck. but if he can’t turn into a successful starter… then honestly would he be a good person to sell high on?

half season rental ace > dominant reliever

maybe. as i said, i’m torn.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's just that

Rangers are saying Scepp is untouchable, but sources are saying they are open to dealing Smoak now? What’s up with that?

by rangersfan32 on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm, I dunno.. maybe because everyone is guessing and JD NEVER shows his hand...

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

holland

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

dutch

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland

I am not sold that he is a TORP

by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland.

I have a bigger mancrush on him than Smoak, but that’s the only thing that would trip me up.

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland

Smoak is more easily replaced? Let’s see Davis as next in line at 1b or the many other pitchers (not all lefties I know) that can replace Dutch.

Yeah.

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

smoak

Bunting makes me spooge in my pants!

by RA Dickey on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sad if this goes through....

It’s also sad that I’ve been researching for the past 20 minutes how to change my s/n on SBN.

Thinking I might go with MikeFU…

Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth

by Smoak Some on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

OT

anyone watching Rome is Burning?

Is that Rosenthal hosting it?

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, b/c they're talking about LEE/YANKS/RANGERS

thanks for playing.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

z

KenDavidoff
  
#Mariners moved away from #Yankees because “Someone else sweetened their offer,” source says. #Rangers or #Reds likely that “someone.”
4 minutes ago via web

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

z
KenDavidoff
  
#Mariners moved away from #Yankees because “Someone else sweetened their offer,” source says. #Rangers or #Reds likely that “someone.”
4 minutes ago via web

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why doesn't everybody get this worked up when I ask for help with my fantasy trades?

"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan

by rlb02a on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Because nobody cares about your fantasy team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or something like that.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just going to say this

If we trade Holland and Smoak for this Ass Clown, nothing short of World Championship will be acceptable

by blakethegr8 on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Josey syndrome

"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan

by rlb02a on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 game series or a Rangers sweep, nonetheless....

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

FUCK
BNightengale #mlb Rangers may have Mariners eat part of Lee’s salary in return for additional prospects, just as they did with SF for Molina.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that was a given, though.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some didn't think so

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping..

that he was keeping his powder dry for the bigger deal.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mariners are going to pull a heist

And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213

by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I HATE

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats has to just be

speculation, it goes against everything that JD has said about the trade deadline

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's really not surprising

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least 4

I would hope. He’s probably top 5 in the system.

http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/

by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

no that money was set aside to feed Bengie

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was a given

But it makes me super-super angry.

http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/

by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is becoming the Tiexiera trade

GM/Ownership on the way out. Going for one last shot. Selling the farm. Compounded by financial inflexibility. Argh!

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

And the Braves got so screwed that they are in first place right now.

let’s not act like that trade relegated the braves to the level of the Astro’s.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joelsherman1 i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

NO

Rangers FTW
twitter.com/kevinkurian

by kevzta on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT SHIT

Rangers FTW
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by kevzta on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

if thats true....

dammit.

but what are the three others

by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he got them to take Guardado

JD is a genius. lol

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

or Caminiti

whoops….

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

tell me this is a joke

And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213

by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD does that

and he better skip Newberg night.

by elvis1isking on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

HATE

PENISSHITFUCKHATEDICKDAMNPISSFUCKHATE

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH SHIT...

FROM LOL:

i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners

by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

OH HELLS YEAH BITCHES

please no Holland, PLEAZZZZZEEEEEEEEEE

by blueballlefty on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call up Davis...

and hope to god he has figured something out

by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

It's done.

Smoak is gone.

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

CLIFF LEE!

CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!
V
vz
CLIFF LEE!
CLIFF LEE!CLIFF LEE!

by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Put your fucking pants back on

you’re scaring the shit out of the neighbors.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

DIE DIE DIE!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

what is that a middle finger?

you can shove that up my ass because i feel sodomized

Rangers FTW
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by kevzta on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

cue the vuvuzelas

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't know why

but that is the first vuvuzelas joke I’ve ever laughed at. rec

by bigskinny on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda with you

until I see the names. I’m scared of the names.

by bdavison94 on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the names.

I hate hate hate hate losing Smoak, but depending on the other 3 this may not be horrible.

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

we have an ace

Bunting makes me spooge in my pants!

by RA Dickey on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

HATE

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

HATE, HATE, AND HATEHATE

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brilliantly said

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay, it's okay and it's done

welcome Cliff Lee.

Have fun guys, going to go see Strasburg. Later my peeps.

USA

by Longhorn on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

JD and Nolan can go join Hicks

and fuck themselves

And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213

by devsr on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You would think if Holland was involved....

they would say his name.

and not just include him in the three others

by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

x

You would think wildly hope if Holland was involved

by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would kill myself if he is

Rangers FTW
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by kevzta on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate sports

Fuck

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Having Lee is going to be kind of awesome

Still, HATE

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

FUCK EVERYTHING

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT.
SHIT.
BALLS.
WORDS CANNOT ENCAPSULATE THIS.

http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/

by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

You tell me where you at...

I’m coming and joining you. Shots all night….

Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth

by Smoak Some on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

They ain't the happy shots....

Matt (Denver, CO): Congratulations, I heard you won a gold glove!
Klaw (1:18 PM) : Thanks, I had a great year at the plate!
I think Jason Heyward is ready to be promoted to the AL. He’s mastered the NL - Matthew Carruth

by Smoak Some on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm good with that.

I get bored drinking with beer drinkers. Shots sounds spectacular.

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

400+ comments in 35 minutes

a divisive issue, indeed

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Not that divisive

people are just going crazy all in one direction.

by bdavison94 on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok , listen Joe Daniels

I hope you are listening and flyin away to sierra leone…at this point, it doesnt matter I am from slovakia, I will found you… and this was the last time , you hurt this amazing club…see you soon

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I am a cornucopia of emotion right now...

OH GOD! I HATE THIS TRADE! OH GOD BUT CLIFF LEE! OH GOD!

CLIFF LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

At least get a tissue.

It’s like when you have sex with that gross chick cause you’re hard up. You’re sexually satisfied but you feel dirty inside.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If its true the rangers just teixiera'd themselves

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

2.5 months!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Sherman always have accurate info?

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

He's been pretty reliable

in the past.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pourqoi?

He’s the only thing we have at 1st.

by sprite on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not quite true.

The question is whether you think Smoak is enough of an improvement over the other options (this year and going forward) as to make his inclusion as awful as some folks are making it out to be.

by Josh Garoon on Jul 9, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

its not like he has proven that he is a star at the major league level yet

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

it will break my heart if smoak is gone...

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

TINSTAAFL

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

concur

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am, too.

Clearly the “omg he sucks because his batting average is low in his first three months of baseball” crowd isn’t as popular as I thought.

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, I'm a huge Smoak fan.

But I feel like his value’s been inflated quite a bit since his name started surfacing in possible trades.

by Josh Garoon on Jul 9, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope

just sick

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhere, on a golf course.....

Jon Hart just got a text, and Jon Hart lights up a cigar and snickers for a bit…..

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuck tom hicks

All I need is some Boomer Sooner and Texas Rangers

by mchang4 on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

REC

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This pit in my stomach.

It feels almost like the playoffs against the Giants.

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Seattle slip

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this is true

we better fucking win the pennant i swear

Rangers FTW
twitter.com/kevinkurian

by kevzta on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

start believing.....
Ken_Rosenthal
  
#Rangers’ deal for Lee confirmed. #Mariners sending cash in deal. #MLB

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

great that means they had to give 3 more top prospects to make the rent

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

now I’m starting to buy in. I’m very fucking nervous right now. Good nervous though!

by bdavison94 on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully these rumors are

as accurate as the “Missouri to the Big Ten” ones.

by mizzou918 on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Welp

we’re all in for 2010

by AjaxJones on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

FUCK YOU BACK TOO

I LOVE YOU OK BUT FUCK YOU ALSO.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

WERE FUCKING IN THIS TOFUCKINGETHER

FUCK

IMMA LET YOU FINISH JD, BUT MY BOY JACK Z IN SEATTLE JUST PULLED OFF THE HEIST OF A LIFETIME

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it safe to say he will be pitching tomorrow?

I’ll be there if so

It's a funny world we live in

by Joker'z on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm gonna go watch cash cab

y’all let me know how this turns out

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

i just hope

perez, scheppers, and holland are not included. please god keep them out

by MayurP on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I would assume they arent since the rangers gave up smoak

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

SMOAK TRADED FOR LEE CONFIRMED!!!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

YES!!!

Bunting makes me spooge in my pants!

by RA Dickey on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sobs

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

"Diving stab by Andrus, gets up, throws.... GOT HIM!!! An unbelievable play! From short left field!"
-Eric Nadel on 5/17/10

by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

These are the laws of the Angrydome

2 M’s enter

3 prospects leave

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Look what Hurdle has done with Ham.....

spread the wealth Clint!

Why do some people think aquariums are cruel? The fish love it there! They told me. They said, "Truthfully Rich, it's fuckin awesome. There's no predators. No nets, no pollution. It's like the ocean without all the bullshit." -Richard Jeni

by chezBK203 on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

in a Rangers uni

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to see a pitcher strike out 1/3 of opposing batters

That will be fucking grand!

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee has done it 3 times this year

Last time was July 4. (11 of 34)

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 times in a year

Davis averages a k for every 3 PA

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but each time Lee does that, it's probably a win for the Rangers.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

more possible confirmation
ThatSportsGirl
  
looks like justin smoak just walked out of a meeting #fb

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

some more
Buster Olney Buster_ESPN
  
Heard this: SEA is kicking in $2.5 million in order to help offset the $4 million owed to Lee. In return, Texas gave a better package (more)

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Buster_ESPN
  
of prospects besides Smoak.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's a continued post, buddy.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is really the only part of the deal that pisses me off.

But JD had to play the hand dealt to him.

P.S. Fuck Tom Hicks.

by JDT217 on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you can fold and wait for the next hand

Maybe you’ll get somebody that’s not a 2 fucking month rental.

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

UGH...

I’m just going to try to erase Smoak from my memory and enjoy the Lee ride.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats exactly what i didnt want to see

kicking in MORE prospects because the teams broke

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember when 2.5 mil was chump change

 * snif *

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

The “flexibility” Daniels mentioned was $1.5 million? Sigh…

by Josh Garoon on Jul 9, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

God is crying

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do whatever it takes.

HHHHEEEELLLLLLLLLOOOOOO, ITS FREAKIN CLIFF, I’M GONNA TAKE A YANKEE DOWN, LEE.

by telmc on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

and i am saying good bye to this fuckin world

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

OK WHOOOOOO? Did we lose??????????

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

seriously im on the edge...

All I need is some Boomer Sooner and Texas Rangers

by mchang4 on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

wut...

3:57pm: The Rangers will acquire Lee and Mark Lowe for Justin Smoak and three others, according to Sherman (via Twitter). Lowe will miss the rest of the season with back surgery, so his inclusion in the trade is puzzling. Rosenthal confirms that the Rangers are acquiring Lee and says the Mariners are sending cash (Twitter link).

he won’t even be playing for us this year.

"That's borderline retarded"

by rasta style on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah... wtf is up with lowe?

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by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It maybe to offset salary?

It’s anyones guess at this point. How many years does Lowe have left on his contract?

by mizzou918 on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok ESPN reported it

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I am a little confused though

is Lowe a part of the deal or not.

Is it 4 Rangers for one Cliff Lee?

If so, that is leaning towards “the fleecing” side.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Lowe

How many years of service does he have?

by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know he is old, I'm just saying

4 for 1 is Gasol-ish

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 years of team control left after this

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 9, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

MLBN has confirmed Lee to Rangers

in a 6-player deal.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

looking at the bright side of this

the rotations gonna be:
Lee
Colbyashi
CJ
Hunter
Holland (as long as he’s still here)

geez, if Harden ever gets it together…..drool…..

by MayurP on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

so very much this

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ

You can’t expect him to hold up the rest of the year. He is probably going to hit a wall.

by DFWAg on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every single time Cliff Lee allows a hard hit fly ball, or walks a batter, or allows a run, or loses a game. . .

. . . I will be irrationally pissed.

Every game the Rangers lose int he playoffs, I will curse the name of Jon Daniels.

And every time Justin Smoak gets on base for the next five years, I will think about how much better it would be to have been addicted to another franchise.

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This is how I feel

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

team meeting about to go down

I assume we’ll know when they walk out.

rumors are that Cliff starts for us tomorrow.

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

somewhere Mike Scoscia is shitting in his pants.

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

he shits his pants anyways

/incontinence

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That WOULD explain the face...

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by bking on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

They better not get

Beltre, Scheppers, Holland, Perez

by mizzou918 on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

ANNOUNCEMENT
ThatSportsGirl
  
everyone looking at mlb announcement of cliff lee dal. someone just announced “we got him!” & they closed the clubhouse. 5pm press conf..#fb

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by IrishP1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I just hope Smoak and MY weren't close friends

don’t want a pissy MY again

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, DANIELS I OFFICIALY HATE U

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

bye Smoakie, it's been fun, sob

I haven't seen San Francisco fans celebrate like this since the last ghey pride event.

I can't wait for the day when Bengie Molina is a 500 lb. retiree wearing depends and Michael Main is anchoring the Giants rotation. What a special several years that will be!!

by BigGuns on Jul 9, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

devil_fingers
  
Rangers better hope they win the World Series this season

by philkid3 on Jul 9, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions