Sunday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 AM CDT
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PrintNot a good game from the offense last night...and if Nelson Cruz is out for any length of time, the offense is going to find it even harder to score runs.
Jeff Wilson's game story says that Colby Lewis pitched well, but was let down by the offense and by his defense.
T.R. Sullivan's game story talks about Colbyashi's lack of run support the last month, and also has a quote from Ron Washington saying that he takes the blame for Vladimir Guerrero's inexplicable decision to try to steal second yesterday, since Washington didn't put the stop sign up. Of course, one would think that, down two in the 9th, a runner on first wouldn't have to have the stop sign given to know not to try to steal...
ESPN Dallas has some post-game quotes, with Jon Lester being given credit for pitching a great game yesterday.
Evan Grant says that the past week has been a playoff preview for the Rangers.
Nelson Cruz says he came out of the game last night just for precautionary reasons, although Sullivan suggests that his tight hamstring could land him on the disabled list. Brandon Boggs is being recalled today, and will replace Pedro Strop on the 25 man roster, so that the Rangers have some insurance in the outfield while Cruz deals with his hammy.
Jeff Wilson, in the S-T's notes, talks about Andres Blanco taking over as the regular second baseman, with Cristian Guzman heading to the d.l., and the new ownership group wanting to prioritize getting a long-term extension for Josh Hamilton in place.
Sullivan's notes talk about Hamilton as MVP candidate and Washington's desire to get Guerrero a day off today.
Wilson has a story up on how Josh Hamilton has been the A.L. MVP so far this season.
Drew Davison has a story on Guerrero's recent slump.
Gil Lebreton has a column on TBIA, saying that adding a roof to the stadium isn't going to happen, but that there is a group out of Qatar that claims that, for $20 million, they can air condition an outdoor stadium, keeping temperatures below 80 degrees.
Tim Cowlishaw has a column on the new ownership group.
Davison also has a lengthy feature on Rafael Palmeiro, who talks publicly about his career and steroids for the first time in, it seems, years.
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RangersRadioBD Cruz is not in the lineup, but says his left hammy feels better. Brandon Boggs is here. Mitch Moreland plays rt. Hamilton is DH. #rangers
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Brandon Boggs? We were just talking about him yesterday. Interesting.
Over/Under attendance today….32,500
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Announced or actual?
Ill take way under on the actual although I don’t know how many tickets were actually sold. I bet some people bought the tix before realizing what time the game was
Announced. They played the Red Sox in mid-August last year on a Sunday
and I wanna say there something like 27,000+ in the house a day after consecutive 40,000+ crowds.
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by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
The thing is
Even if Mr. RandomCrazyLSBer wanted to go, could you convince anybody else to go with you? It sounds like doing penance…
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to guarantee a CJ perfecto or no-hitter for me to go out there.
Or have a box to sit in.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
what about free hot chocolate?
Lewin is at least offering that.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
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by WestTxAg06 on Aug 15, 2010 12:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No thank you.
I’ll be poolside, grilling burgers with a full cooler.
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by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Of Zimas and Mike's Hard Lemonade
Because Josey do what he do.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would give my left nut to be there
for any game, really. If we lived in the metroplex, I would have to give serious consideration to season tickets…at least some kind of a package or splitting them with someone.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Aug 15, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How the heck
can you air condition an outside stadium to under 80 degrees? Especially in Texas with 100-110 heat???? Can you imagine the electric bill and how overworked that AC system will be.
I don't know, but it's hotter in Quatar than it is in Texas
So maybe they have a way to do it. I wonder how much the electricity bill would be just for one game of running that AC.
Part of their system involves using solar energy, which is obviously abundant there.
Whether we could do the same thing here with some of our weather is an open question.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems like...
…it would work during the worst part of the weather, no?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking more along the lines of severe thunderstorms and hail, which they don't have.
You’d have to be able to protect the photo-voltaic and solar panels in April and May, when we can have lots of bad weather with little or no notice.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, good point.
Solar and wind farms are things that I don’t know much about but I always wonder why there aren’t more of. There must be some reason why it isn’t pursued more than it currently is…I just don’t know what those reasons are.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's expensive to get going. Very expensive.
But it has come down in it’s price. The rise in the price of oil has made solar/wind enegery a much more feasible option. The lower start up costs has helped it grow as well.
I’m not sure you’ve traveled much around Central-Western Texas, but there have been wind turbines popping up everywhere from Stillwater-Lubbock-Midland. That whole triangle has seen wind energy take over. It seems to be on the rise, although it may be coming to a saturation point soon. In that area at least.
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Go nuclear, never look back.
Such a shame that we haven’t built a new nuclear power plant in about 30 years.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What are you going to do with the waste?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ft Worth storage site
/Rangers100
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Just throw it in the Gulf of Mexico.
That’s where everyone else throws their wastes.
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Oh I know, right!
All that oil destroying ecosystems for generations to come! IT’S A TRAVESTY, I TELL YOU!
Wait, you’re saying you can’t find the oil? It’s just gone and we overreacted tremendously?
Well shit.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
you think the oil is "just gone"?
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Show me where it is.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a poor argument.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but you can't deny that the doomsday scenarios were wildly overblown.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
But it’s a lot worse than what you were suggesting as well.
I think that the Gulf can and will recover, but I also think it’s foolish to say everything is relatively back to normal when you don’t know where ~25% of the oil went. The environment might be able to take care of it…but it might not.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to say that we're "back to normal."
I was making fun of all of those talking heads on CNN and MSNBC who called for the nationalization of BP, the criminal prosecution of its leaders, and the complete termination of all drilling operations because of the absolute environmental wasteland that was to be the Gulf of Mexico.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh sure
Have at them.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I dunno.
200 million+ gallons of oil? And they don’t know where ~25% of it went? Seems pretty bad…
That said, I’m not sure a moratorium on all drilling for a significant amount of time going forward is the way to go either, but that doesn’t look like it will last much longer.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Throw it somewhere in New Mexico
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by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully not the parts I visit.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
There are a ton of nothing spots in that state
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by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
harnessing geothermal energy and what-not
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Knowing their luck
They’d just end up with mutant superplayers.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
and they'd be able to recirculate the oil and fund the team
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Something that would be better than the nothing we do with the waste from burning shit.
I like subduction zones, although currently “as it is a form of sea disposal, it is therefore not permitted by international agreements.” (world-nuclear.org)
I don't know
Long-term vs short-term effects. I just don’t see how you get around it…
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Shoot it into the Sun.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's let
Future Aquaman56 and Future GhettoBear04 deal with. I bet they’ll be much more qualified.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Use it to create superheros.
Oh wait, you already said something about Future Aquababies2 and 3.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta get it out of the atmosphere first.
The transportation to a subduction zone or man-made deep underground facility would me much more practical.
Yup.
But how much do you trust one of those?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
A subduction zone? A lot.
A hole a billion feet underground? I don’t know, I’m not a Mech E or whoever knows the equations for radiation through bedrock or whatever. But it’s probably fine.
I was referring to the man made part.
With a subduction zone, don’t plates move so slowly that it would just be like burying somewhere deep underwater?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that addresses one of the biggest issues with normal underground/underwater stuff:
just how long the man-made storage containers will last. IIRC, we’re pretty sure that they’ll work for a while, but it gets much sketchier when it comes to how confident we are that they’ll work on geological time scales.
I see.
At the very least, it seems better than France’s ‘stocking’ facilities.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I think we could store stuff "locally" for quite some time with very few, if any, failures.
If you do your math right, and follow proper procedures, the dangers are pretty predictable and avoidable.
But it would definitely be nice to be able to take the human element out of it long term. (Offseason job for robot umps.)
Also
Do you think a space elevator could work?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Willy Wonka had something similar.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Shame...
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Some of the nanoscale carbon stuff looks promising, though.
What would happen to the cable if it came loose from the satellite, though? Would it go whipping through the atmosphere to crash into the planet? That seems pretty scary.
But what if you put it on an island?
Or something similar. Middle of nowhere..
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a really, really big cable.
Geosynchronous orbit is around 22 thousand miles above sea level. That’s almost equal to the circumference of the earth.
Oh.
Wow. I didn’t realize that.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the scale is pretty staggering.
Even if we get the materials to make a cable that long that’s strong and light enough, there are a bunch of other issues that have to be dealt with.
Yeah. The cable idea just won't be happening any time soon.
And shooting it up into space is incredibly risky. I mean, we can’t even guarantee the lives of our astronauts when we launch them up there. Can you imagine a ship blowing up with nuclear waste spreading everywhere? Ugh.
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I'd imagine
That would be mostly unmanned.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
they could pay a bum to fly up there with it and open the door and push it all out
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I understand that. I'm saying that a ship
exploding while taking off would spread nuclear waste everywhere. There’s no guarantee they can make sure that ship makes it out of the atmosphere 100% of the time. That was more my point.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Would burning up in atmosphere be the killer,
or could you make a containment vessel sturdy enough to avoid dispersing the material in multiple directions on vehicle destruction without increasing the weight too much? Without limiting the amount of waste per ship to pointlessly low levels, or incurring insane costs…?
I had to skim a lot of this since it's over my head a bit
but are we talking about shooting nuclear waste into space on a giant rocketship? I love you, LSB!
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by Bob Loblaw on Aug 15, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Space elevator!
A space elevator is a proposed structure designed to transport material from a celestial body’s surface into space. Many variants have been suggested, all of which involve travelling along a fixed structure instead of using rocket powered space launch.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the rocket idea is actually probably much more practical.
Considering the nature of the trip, I guess you could even do a nuclear rocket, at least for the post-atmosphere part, which might help with safety if less conventional flammable fuels are needed?
Is there any radioactive material on the moon,
or safely transportable material that could be used as fuel?
If so: generate the power on the moon, beam it back down (they had this sort of thing in Sim City 2000!), launch the rocket to the sun from the moon so Earth isn’t at risk.
Helium-3.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Guaranteed versus possible is also part of that equation.
And short term isn’t short when you never stop burning the stuff.
Yeah
Though how do you force everyone to pay significantly more for their energy to be more environmentally friendly when China plans on making a traveshamockery out of our coal burning ?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Forcing them is easy. Justifying it is not.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
Fair enough. Though I think there’s a sizeable portion of the electorate that is ready to revolt since “Obama has raised everybody’s taxes”…I can’t imagine how well that would go over.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Even as a conservative
And I would probably be recognized as one of the more economically conservative people on the board, we are going to have to raise taxes at some point.
But we should couple it with truly MASSIVE spending cuts at the same time.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
And I wouldn't just raise taxes while keeping the current structure
I am vehemently opposed to the entire concept of a progressive income tax structure.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
Why?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm seriously violating my own rules here about talking politics on this board
But I started it in a way, so I will take responsibility.
A progressive income tax is founded on the principle that those who have more should pay more, correct? We hear over and over again about how it is “fair” for those with more to pay higher taxes.
I believe that it is “fair” for everyone to pay the same percentage (at least everyone over a certain income level, so there would be some level of necessary progression at the very beginning), and those who have more would still pay more.
That’s a very short version.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well see, even you're for some level of progression.
After that it’s just a matter of degree.
But do you really want to be paying more taxes just to save Tom Hicks some money? ;)
I would love to be in Tom Hicks' tax bracket some day
As most probably do.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But I do think that instead of having discrete steps between ranges it should be done on some smooth curve,
just because that sounds neater to me. And it seems like it might also reduce some of the incentives to fudge figures/game the system, but that’s just a guess.
Eh, this is probably not the place to talk about it, really.
We all have our own opinions on the matter, and though I am glad that we have been able thus far to speak about it rationally and respectfully, we should probably avoid the subject.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The only part of it I'm super-firm on,
is that I think there should be some sort of minimum floor, because under that you’re cutting into money that’s really needed just for the basic necessities for a comparatively small amount, government revenue-wise. And it sounds like you don’t disagree with that anyway.
True, there definitely needs to be a floor.
But when 50% of the population pays no taxes, as they do right now, we have a serious problem.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that says more about the tax system,
or the income distribution. But the latter would probably be even harder to “fix” (if such a fix was even desirable/made economic sense.) But it’s kinda sobering.
Yep.
There’s the rub. With such a large percentage of the country’s wealth tied up in the top 3-5% of the population, they’re going to be fitting the bill either way. And to me, justifiably so.
Now, if you want to argue that the top tax bracket should have a higher cutoff, that’s something I could understand. Or make a higher tier.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I know it sounds weird, but I don’t mind the political discussions here. I spend most of my time here and I’m more likely to run into more diverse opinions here.
I’m open-minded, or like to think of myself as such, and am at least willing to listen if presented in a respectful manner. Argue it rationally and I’ll listen. Though perhaps it should be taken to an off-top post or some such.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
this has been a very interesting discussion to follow
stuff for even me, the left-wing bleeding heart ultra-liberal to think about. Thanks for making me work my brain today, fellas!
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I thought most cops
were right-wing, no?
NTTATWWI
:)
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by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
They are
I’m a different breed! Police work has actually made me MORE liberal. I am conservative on some stuff…like gun control. But a super duper duper social liberal. And I went to a Christian college and and an “every Sunday” church goer. Bob Loblaw: a mystery, wrapped in enigma, smothered in secret sauce.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
And cheap cologne.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
High Karate. 60% of the time, it works every time.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I loved that show
and I mean LOVED. It is on par with AD in my book.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Yeah, it's great.
It doesn’t have quite the holy-shit-funny-moment-every-scene hit rate of AD, but it’s still damn good.
30 Rock reminds me a lot of a not-quite-as-good version of Newradio.
I used to watch reruns on A&E in the afternoons when I was in college
but, like every show I truly loved (except for AD), the reruns don’t even exist anymore.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I never would have figured you for a left-wing bleeding heart ultra-liberal.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Mainly because while large spending cuts are probably necessary, I don’t think anybody has the political capital/will to go after the programs that actually need pruning.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This is another thing nuclear technology presents a solution to!
Or just shame the public by showing them how much ahead of the freaking French are.
But nuclear should be much cheaper per watt than wind/solar, no?
Would it really require a bunch of increased, rather than redirected, spending?
This is what I've been saying!
The French are close to 80% nuclear! I was stunned when I saw that.
I have this theory that the way to convince people to be more green isn’t to appeal to their altruistic side (those are already doing it), but to appeal to their competitive nature.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe most of the rest for the French comes from hydroelectricity, too.
Nuclear and hydro, damn those techie bastards.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
"You're not going to get your flying cars if you don't start reinvesting in nuclear energy research, bitches."
(My future presidential campaign platform.)
I had noticed that
I thought it was pretty cool and heard it’s growing like crazy out there. It seems like Texas should have enough wind and sun to not have to build many more coal plants, but I think they’re still on track to put in another 3 in the near future or some such.
I’m not one of those who thinks you can’t build coal plants no matter the other consequences, but doesn’t Texas have enough in the way of natural renewable sources that it could bypass coal moving forward?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Would be a drop in the bucket for worldwide coal consumption
China drives the boat on coal consumption and they’re going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally true.
When I saw the figures of their latest projections, I about fell out of my chair. Simply incredible.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
not without HUGE subsidies
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
It's just the price and up keep, currently.
Hopefully, in the future when the price of energy goes up and the cost of solar panels/turbine etc goes down, then the switch can be made.
But it just costs to much to start up, maintain (a big one for solar panels) and keep going.
For the wind turbines in Texas, the companies end up leasing the land from cattle grazers. They don’t pay for the land, the owner just gets his cut of the profits in exchange for letting them build these huge machines on their pastures. It only takes up about 1 sq. acre of land per turbine.
Solar paneling just doesn’t produce enough energy to offset the costs.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Gotcha.
Yeah, I’ve heard that it’s a great deal for a lot of the land owners out there.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I've heard it's a great deal for the European construction companies
that are raking in huge government subsidies to build equipment that is horribly inefficient.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Speaking of needless European construction
How ’bout that Bridge to Nowhere being built in west Dallas?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I liked the idea originally
Jeez it seems like they’ve botched up pretty well though…
…still, a Calatrava bridge is pretty damn awesome.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure it's they are making THAT much off the govt.
Although I do agree that the cost/benefit ratio is horribly low for solar/wind energy. The taxes (or lack thereof) from the government on these new energy processes is the only thing that keeps it going.
If the govt. taxed wind energy like they do oil, or didn’t put money into helping build them, there’s no way it would be financially feasible. But the Texas, and national, govt. believe this will pay off in the long run in cleaner energy and is a step in moving away from coal and oil dependency.
I personally think there’s no way coal and oil are going anywhere. It’s like swatting an elephant with a fly swatter.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Ugh. I just reread my simile at the end.
It’s almost as bad as a Family Guy joke.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
It is a great deal for "large" cojoined land owners.
Smaller land owners who have land spread out have very little chance for actually getting a wind mill lease. It makes sense, it is much easier to write up one lease with a guy that has several thousand acres then it is to deal with several guys. But basically, it is a rich get richer thing.
my parents are looking into a residential turbine for their home outside of Amarillo
costs about 15,000, but the payments on that loan are half of what they pay in energy bills right now
by kevinkinsler on Aug 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. My uncle-in-law just switched to solar paneling in California.
He paid the entire thing off, instead of getting a loan (he’s the rich uncle on the wifes side).
He said he would be making money off the deal in less than 6 years. But I can only imagine this is possible because of the massive amount of govt. incentives/programs that help pay for most of the cost of setting it up. Silly Californians. I give him credit though, he’s taking advantage of it.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
They have those credits everywhere though.
It’s the capital investment, that’s the issue on a personal scale though.
I have a friend who thought about starting up a solar panel instillation business. His theory is that, in his area at least (suburb of D/FW), people aren’t likely to invest that capital just to be more green. But if you could market/show them the long-term economic benefit, a lot more would get on board.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true. They do have those subsidies everywhere.
But I think it’s silly because of how in debt California is. I understand it’s helpful, and I like he did it, but that the state of California is helping to pay for a good majority of it, and are not getting taxes for it, amazes me.
I mean, they are turning around and wanting to charge him $1200 to renew his vehicle registration on two cars.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Well the near-universal thing about technology,
is that it gets a lot cheaper as we practice and develop it more.
So I’m all for the short term subsidies, especially if we don’t start doing nuclear in vigor again.
Power law, ftw
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if this is relevant or not.
But I read in a National Geographic recently that right now Texas is producing more wind energy than it is actually capable of using.
the reason those things aren't pursued more
is because they aren’t economically feasible.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
x
Texas, the No. 1 U.S. state in terms of wind, has about 9,000 megawatts of installed capacity, more than twice as much as the next state, according to the American Wind Energy Association.
Wind accounted for 6 percent of the electricity produced last year, according to the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), up from 4.6 percent in 2008 and well above an estimated 2 percent nationwide.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60E5UL20100115
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I hadn't considered that.
All of our lights and some of our warehouses that were turned into barracks in Kuwait were largely powered by solar energy.
Somebody was just talking about Quatar yesterday...
and it being so hot there with real high humidity as well. I think it was an airforce guy who was talking to my parents.
I just read something about that, actually.
I had no idea their humidity was so high.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If this sceme does indeed work
I’m going to kick my dad in the balls for all those thousands of times he said you can’t air condition the ouside “..so shut the damn door!”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
they put coolant through pipes in the sand and have giant blowers moving air
“The beach will have a network of pipes beneath the sand containing a coolant that will absorb heat from the surface.
The swimming pool will be refrigerated and there are also proposals to install giant blowers to waft a gentle breeze over the beach. " – http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5338099.ece
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That may be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
A refrigerated beach… for a hotel with a refrigerated pool.
If you don’t want your guests burned by a scorching hot beach, maybe Dubai isn’t the right location for your hotel.
this is what happens when you have so much money
that you don’t even know what to do with it all
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
"for $20 million, they can air condition an outdoor stadium, keeping temperatures below 80 degrees."
That would be the best 20 million the Rangers ever spent – they’d recoup that in a week – if it were at all true.
Go Rice Owls!
I guarantee you that the Rangers will do their due diligence about it, but I'm skeptical to say the least.
That seems too good to be true.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I JUST pulled this up.
Crazy stuff.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
awesome
“Stadium seats will be cooled using air pumped at the spectator ankle zone at a temperature of 18 C,” he said.
“The same air will also be projected from the back and neck area of the seats, ensuring that each seating row of each stadium provides maximum comfort and enjoyment to fans.”
Go Rice Owls!
There's no way you can replace all of the seats in the stadium for $20 million
And how much would it affect the players on the field?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
after they win the World Series this year
they could auction off the existing seats for $200 each and help pay for it…
Go Rice Owls!
I like the way you think sir.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It probably wouldn't affect the players on the field
Although I wonder if the Rangers haven’t looked into some kind of cooling system for their bench like the NFL has
The biggest problem with the Ballpark
(and this is probably pretty obvious)
Is that it is a giant concrete structure that sits out there and bakes for hours and hours before every game. The concrete just soaks up the heat all day long, not nearly enough of the ballpark itself is covered, and by the time you get to the game the entire place has been blazing for something like 10 hours.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know all about that
Went to a game last summer out there with great seats right down the 1B line. It was so hot I had to buy a program to sit on and put something on the arm rests so I didn’t burn my arms. Only stayed 5 or 6 innings because it was so miserable
If they could do something where the seats emmitted some kind of cooling stuff so you were comfortable in your seat that would be pretty cool
Skeptical, But Interested
I’m skeptical that this process could work in Texas, but I am pretty interested.
by Mister Naxal on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
False. That 20 milllion for Lee next year would be the best money ever spent.
; )
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
92 degrees with 54% humidity in Dallas
at 11am.
It’s gonna be a hot one today, folks- Africa hot.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Sounds like Middle East hot
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Too humid.
That’s Central America hot.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Kuwait is the armpit of the world
It has the temps of Iraq while sitting right on the gulf giving you humidity.
Try NJ a couple weeks ago
It was 100 degrees with 90% humidity.
I was at a Ranger / Yankee game in August '05
and it was 98 degrees with epic humidity at game time.
Did I mention it was a night game?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
no, you didn't mention that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
that had not occured to us, dude
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
/Brandt
lol, what a fitting name for that character.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 15, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
I know right? What a great actor…I still think of him first and foremost from Scent of a Woman
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Palmeiro's story...
Anybody buying the “tainted B12” story that he is still trying to sell?
Reading that article, I almost, might, maybe, just a little bit wanna believe that it could be the truth.
But I can’t.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
believe him or not
he should be in the hall of fame.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
agree
I don’t think steroids should even enter the conversation when talking about HOF credentials, personally.
Mcgwire should have been a first ballot guy and Raffy should too.
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Check out Raffy's '93 season....happened to be a contract year
because he was about to be a free agent and it just so happened to be his first full year on a team with Jose Canseco.
I couldn’t believe the second half of his season that year…21 HR in 75 games (he hit 22 HR’s during a full season in 1992).
That was the year I think Raffy started getting tainted B-12 shots.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
"I'll believe ya when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
"Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree?
Am I drinking milk from a saucer? Do you see me eating mice?"
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fantastic line.
I love that movie.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Raffy, i think i believe him
but, maybe I’m just being naive.
anywho, he shoudl get in the HOF anyway just for reading Baseball America
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
If we had to play a day game today
Why not play it RIGHT NOW? Start the game at 11, be done around 2.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
I'm sure the crowds will love the 2 PM start, too.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think crowds love the 2 p.m. start
However, I suspect attendance would be worse, not better, at 11 a.m.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you know the answer to that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I just think it's ludicrous to play day games in Texas in August.
I know we did several 11 AM games when I worked at the Ballpark years ago.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
I think it is, too, but I’m not sure if it’s a tradition baseball would be willing to break…especially in Texas.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember when our 2 - 6 was rivaling the best in baseball
with Young, Kinsler, Hamilton, Vlad and Cruz. Now Young and Vlad are slumping, Kinsler has been on the DL, and Cruz got hurt yesterday (hopefully minor). The only guy holding his own, is miracle man Hamilton. He’s amazing.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Who is probably going to start getting pitched around some
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow that is bad...
aandro Rangers lineups: Andrus, Young, Murphy, Hamilton, Cantu, Moreland, Teagarden, Blanco, Borbon.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I ain't skeered of Dice K
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
2-1?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
not if MY is DHing
is he?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Josh DH
Moreland in RF
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody to play third in that lineup.
Cantu is at first, Blanco at second. Moreland is playing right.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
not if Josh is playing CF
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Straight platoon Borbon/Boggs?
Or is Boggs gonna sit here for 2 weeks and then be asked to be productive against somebody like Haren or some other bad-ass?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Moreland breaking up Cantu and Teagarden
Cantu has been very disappointing so far.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Cantu, Guzman and Molina have
been disappointing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
You thought they would get more out of Molina?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Molina is who we thought he was
And he sucks.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Molina gave us this
and I’ll never forget him for it
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That little grand cycle in Boston was nice too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Nope
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
This will be Cantu's break out game. You heard it here first.
And God help my wife. She is not much of a baseball fan, but Jorge Cantu has brought her in. Everytime he comes up, it’s “You CANTU IT!”
I still love her.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I enjoyed the "Hip-Hip, JOR-GE!" chants last night.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really
He didn’t hit much in Florida this year
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
the lineup could read "Hamilton" and change
and I think we’ve got this one
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 15, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Lewis is now just 9-9...
clearly he’s just an average pitcher.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Felt so terrible for him again last night.
Victimized by terrible defense at third and no run support.
Again.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget the PB on Teagarden
That runner doesn’t score on Cruz if he’s on 2B.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And you also gotta blame Face for
Judy dropping the fly ball and Vlad’s baserunning f-up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
And Teagarden's passed ball
was also Face’s fault.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Because I totally did that, amirite?
As I said in the post-game thread, Borbon’s drop was inexcusable, and Vlad’s baserunning displaces Face’s defense at third as the Fart in the Room™ for this team right now.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
By the way, neither of those things happened while Colby was in the game.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Please don't change the subject, Aqua.
Oh wait, that was what we were originally talking about…
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
The shtick of blaming Young for everything
that goes wrong is beyond ridiculous.
He’s not going anywhere…somebody gave him a 5 year / $ 80 million contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a lot to pay a DH, but I'm ok with it.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
will
MY really be starting at 3rd base for the 2011 Texas Rangers?
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Yes.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
there
has to be a way out.
Under what scenarios could we see MY dealt or moved off of 3rd base?
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Dealt... None. The Rangers will not eat that contract, and no one else would dream of taking it on.
Moving him is being debated around here, as of now.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Maiming or death.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Go read last night's post-game thread.
We talked about it extensively.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
which fielder gets more balls
per game, 1st or 3rd?
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
3rd by far.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
the most amazing thing to me
is that we actually had him playing Short all those years.
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't that many.
Arod played there most of the time. Young was only there, what 2 years? 3?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
5 years
2004-2008
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers largely sucked those years too.
But I’m sure someone will tell you that’s just a coincidence.
Will he be? Probably yes.
Should he be? Hell to the no.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Bill James has an interesting theory on the Steroid Era
and the HOF.
He thinks most of those from this era will be in…not sure I agree with James on that one.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And this has absolutely SHIT to do with whether Michael Young should be playing third base for the Rangers in 2011.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll be playing 3B for the Texas Rangers...
somebody decided to give him a 5 year / $ 80 million contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a lot to pay for a DH.
But I’m ok with it.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
its “sunk” costs. Forcing him into the field doesn’t save you any money so you should do what is best for team.
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
How many DH's make $ 16 million per?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't really matter
whats done is done. The only question now should be, “how do we best utilize the current roster?”
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt many.
But I’d rather pay him to hit baseballs (which he does relatively well) and sit his ass on the bench than boot routine rounders at third all over the diamond.
The Umbrella of Protection™ around Young from the local media and official scorers is pretty incredible, I’ll give him that.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So it was a terrible contract for JD
to dole out to Face?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Your pathological need to divert attention from the three-toed sloth we have manning third base is somewhat amusing.
His contract is irrelevant at this point.
We’re talking about doing what is best for this team going forward. If you cared at all for the team rather than the player, you’d recognize what that is.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You brought up
the Umbrella of Protection.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed I did
In reference to the complete lack of criticism of any kind from our local media of Michael Young.
If any of them had any balls at all, they’d call him out for his fucking atrocious play at third this year.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know of anybody in the media
who has said that Michael Young has played well (defensively) at 3B this year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Deception can come in two forms: lies or omissions.
Refusing to comment at all on his complete defensive ineptitude is just as bad as saying he has been good.
Oh, and yes there have been multiple outlets which have commented on his “solid” play at third.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
"Multiple outlets which have commented
on his “solid” play at third"
Name ’em.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No thanks, not my job to defend Young.
But I know for a fact that someone on here quoted ESPN.com in a very recent article.
And I have heard the same from them before (them being ESPN).
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So you've got nothing?
Thought so.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Very nice attempt to deflect once again.
When did it become my job to demonstrate favorable treatment of his defense?
How about you show one local media outlet which has criticized his defensive play?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yer the one that said
“Multiple outlets which have commented on his "solid" play at third”
Show your work or put your tail between your legs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Demonstrate that it is in the Rangers best interest for Young to play third next year.
Go.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't back it up...
Thought so.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely unable to recognize that your boy is the worst defensive third baseman in the history of the game.
Thought so.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And I never said it was in the Rangers
best interest for Young to play 3B next year.
I’d prefer Adrian Beltre in a perfect world.
You’re the one that said “Multiple outlets which have commented on his "solid" play at third” but couldn’t back it up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Progress!
You admit that Adrian Beltre would be better for the Rangers than Michael Young!
I’m so proud of you right now, Josey. You’re growing in front of our very eyes.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So which outlets (you said multiple)
have commented on Young’s solid play at 3B this year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the article I was referencing directly.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?page=dogdays_100811rangers
We talked about it in a thread a couple of days ago.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And where is the other outlet you mentioned
(you said multiple outlets).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Show your work or put your tail between your legs."
you cannot be serious with that, right? you? of all people?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I think the point is
that no one has said he’s played downright awful 3B defense, which is something that should probably be addressed if they’re truly building a World Series contender.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
yessir
bad deals are handed out every day. You win some, you lose some. The problem is when people ride out their bad decisions. I’m not mad about the deal but will be if they don’t course correct at some point soon.
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not according to Fangraphs so far.
Depends on how much, if any, his offense declines, and how his defense goes.
But you sort of expect to be overpaying at the end of deals to aging players anyway, so I’m fine with it.
.
NewbergReport #Rangers buy ex-#Mariner and Irving native Travis Chick from #Pirates, assign RHP to Frisco
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
He looks like he just dookied his diaper
He’s only pitched 1 inning this season, previous stats:
http://firstinning.com/players/Travis-Chick-a/
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
^^^^
reply fail.
Meant to reply to GhettoBear
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I like his name.
NewbergReport #Rangers sign 14th round RHP Nick Tepesch, out of University of Missouri
Oh wow, he was the big question mark at this point.
Huge potential.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Need Grimm and Jackson to sign now.
Both were rumored to be in the bag already.
Then we would have signed all of the top 14 rounds.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like MLB tomfoolery, no?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Such a stupid stance for MLB to take.
Like the finger in the dike in Holland.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And then LuJack & Grimm Monday night
:D
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Wow
that’s big. Nobody expected him to sign.
Excerpt from Andy’s notebook: (Buy it! Buy it! Buy it!)
He was considered a top-level prospect in high school, perhaps going in the first 100
picks of the 2007 draft, but he dropped due to his college commitment, going eventually in the twentyeighth
round to the Red Sox, who were unable to sign him. He landed at Missouri with huge
expectations, and while he’s had a solid career, he did not fulfill those expectations. He pitched almost
exclusively in relief as a freshman, showing average stuff, but he matured before his sophomore year,
though he had a wildly inconsistent year on the mound as a starter. There were some hopes that he
could sneak into the first day this June, but that’s not going to happen after a solid season with down
stuff. Scouts still see him as a potential number three starter, but that’s down from previous
expectations. His fastball is a solid-average to above-average pitch now, which is down from being plus,
and it sits 89-92, touching 94-95 more rarely than in the past. His curveball is still a potential aboveaverage
pitch, but it’s inconsistent and wild at times. His changeup is now considered a solid-average
pitch, and his cutter might be average, depending on who is grading it. On the whole, he looks like
someone who could go in the third to fifth round range, where he should sign quickly for something
close to slot money.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It was only $10 back around draft time, I think he might have lowered the price again.
Totally worth it.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. 5 bucks.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been 50/50 all along
according to many
Haha
“It was an accidental, unintentional deal on my part, and I take full responsibility for that,” said Palmeiro
that is, quite literally, the opposite of "taking full responsibility for that."
The world is lying and is out to get me. I will take responsibility for being the target of everyone’s evil, evil lies.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Does Tom Hicks
still have his seats or were they part of the sale?
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
No.
Lost them in the final round of negotiations.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he kept his seats.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
arent
they right next to Nolan and the gang?
by StratumFoundationRepair on Aug 15, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how, to be honest.
There is obviously the Owner’s Box itself, but I think Hicks also had other seats that he kept.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland
aandro The #Rangers have put Rich Harden on the DL with right shoulder tendinitis. The Tuesday starter is TBA.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Interesting
Wouldn’t be surprised if it were Kirkman, honestly. I’m not sure Holland is 100%.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Naw
Kirkman is in the pen
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He could be converted back
not like he’s been coming out of relief all year.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
what day is Beltre scheduled to start again?
Hey Tom - It's over now, so do you know how - to pick up the pieces and go home?
Pitched last night for OKC.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He started last night
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He started last night
So the 19th
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Beavan sucks
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering how he's been getting lit up for Seattle's AAA team
I think we’ll be fine for now without him.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh fuck...
“Well I don’t even know what to say.”
/Pacino
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Tuesday would be four days from Holland's last start, but he only went 2 1/3 while throwing around 58 pitches.
I’m going to guess Feldman.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
he was going to start on 3 days rest in OKC
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they see him as ready yet.
He hasn’t exactly been lighting it up at OKC this time around. Let’s hope he’s been working on something.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I hope they don’t start Feldman vs. Tampa. That would be an auto loss
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Dutch! Dutch! Dutch!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harden:
“We playin’ on the moon, bitch. Don’t call me no more. "
—Big Boi
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
For all of you Brown Hand Center fans
there is a half hour infomercial on WFAA right now with his evil, ugly mug explaining the procedure and how his surgeons will take care of you like he takes care of his wives.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Yes. This is terrible, this program
I have a DJ shift every sunday afternoon, and the program director is very adamant that I keep the studio TV on chanel 8 so we can break in with any necessary breaking weather news. I’ve had to watch that infomercial. It made me angry.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden to the DL...
Does this mean Strop remains with the team and Boggs takes Harden’s place?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Didn't read Adam's post yet, but that's exactly what it means.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So about the Qatar stadium thing...
This is a pretty big quote that I missed earlier.
As well as using solar power to cool the stadiums, AS&P partner Joachim Schares told CNN their designs include retractable roofs, to keep out the blazing sun.
“We will close the roof in the days before the match so the temperature cools down before the match,” he said.
“The roof could stay closed [during matches] so that every seat in the stadium and the pitch is fully shaded, or if FIFA requires teams to play with an open roof we could open it and still guarantee a temperature of 27 C.”
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
Heh.
“That’s high,” said U.S. Sen. Jim Bunning, a Hall of Fame pitcher. "They shouldn’t be allowed to miss [that many].
So does he realize he’s basically saying “umpires shouldn’t be allowed to be human”?
But I don’t really want a lot more replay. I mainly just want ball/strike calling technology to be developed further and used.
no
he is saying professional umps shouldn’ suck this bad.
imagine if we are wrong 20% of the time in our jobs.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Yeah, good luck with that finding magical umps with super perception thing.
And if you’re never wrong in your job, you probably have a pretty crappy, uninteresting job.
yeah, you're wrong
but 20% of the time gets u fired…or u work for some podunk company
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Given the effects
of parallax, and a ball moving 90 mph, it’s basically an impossible job. All you can get out of a human is a best guess on a ball or strike.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
really?
it sure seems like the hitters know the strikezone better than the umps
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Even hitters
swing at balls out of zone all the time.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
98 degrees with 45% humidity at 1240 in DFW.
Heat index is 107.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Andro said it's already 100
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 15, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope CJ has his location
or it’s going to be a long day.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 15, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
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