Tommy Hunter to start Tuesday, Derek Holland to start Wednesday
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 6:05 PM CDT
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PrintPer T.R. Sullivan, Tommy Hunter is going to start for the Rangers on Tuesday on short rest, and Derek Holland will start Wednesday.
Hunter will be coming back on three days rest after giving up 4 homers in his 3 inning, vomit-shortened outing on Friday.
Holland will be pitching on normal rest.
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by FormerLSBUser on Aug 15, 2010 6:09 PM CDT reply actions
How many starts do you think he will get the rest of the year?
Innings won’t be an issue. He certainly needs the experience if he is going to be in the roto next year.
if he doesnt suck
he wont be coming out of the rotation for the next however many years.
who cares about next year
at this point he has nothing left to prove in the minors
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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But it will be interesting to see how it shapes out, if they keep the 4 playoff guys (assumed) on 5 days rest and skip a start or two of Holland.
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by FormerLSBUser on Aug 15, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they are skipping the 5th spot
With an 8.5 game lead and concern over the number of innings thrown by Wilson and Lewis, I don’t think they are going to skip the 5th spot the rest of the way.
In fact, I think you could see Wilson and Lewis get skipped or at least pushed back some in September when the roster expands.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think skipping when you don't have to should be happening.
The division is all but over. I do think homefield in the first round would be helpful, but not so much you wear out the pitchers more than you need to.
I go back and forth on this.
I think homefield advantage in the playoffs—particularly in the first round—is very important, especially for a team that lacks a lot of playoff experience. But having Lee and Lewis and Wilson (?) at 100% is probably more important than where we open the ALDS. I guess it might also depend on the matchup. I’ve got no problem traveling to TB for games 1 and 2, but I wouldn’t feel so great about heading to the Bronx.
Why the ? after Wilson?
He is clearly one of our three best pitchers, and may be our second best right now.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess the (?) has a lot to do with my concern that he'll hit a wall with the jump in innings.
The only two guys I have unconditional faith in going into the playoffs are Lee and Lewis.
Wilson
He’s pitched more innings than Lewis, has a better ERA, a better batting average against, and has given up half as many home runs. I understand the concern over his innings, but he isn’t showing any signs of even bumping into a wall and we are in the middle of August.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Colby has been the better pitcher.
Lewis: 3.48 FIP, 3.84 xFIP, 3.4 WAR, .285 BABIP, 17.4% LD%, 8.2% HR/FB
Wilson: 3.95 FIP, 4.56 xFIP, 2.5 WAR, .261 BABIP, 16.4% LD%, 5.8% HR/FB
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's really close
I think WIlson’s stuff helps drive the lower BABIP and HR/FB percentage. Regardless, I think they are close enough that I’m equally confident with either one pitching in a playoff game.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it would be unwise
To assume BGL can maintain it that low based off of one year’s worth of data.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He might not maintain it for next year
but its not out of the realm of possibility for him to maintain it for this season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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I agree with that.
But if we’re talking about who’s contributed the most I advocate considering batted ball rates. But if we’re talking who we’re going to bank on going forward, I’m going to regress both BABIP rates.
I wouldn't disagree with you if you did that
but I just wouldn’t be shocked at all if his BABIP stayed around this level for the rest of the season.
And for CJ specifically, I do think he is a special case. One of the reasons his FIP/xFIP looks worse than Lewis’ is because of the walks. Some of that is on him, but I’m convinced that a lot of it is also on the shitty umpires who can’t get a good handle of the movement on his pitches and think he’s throwing balls when he’s hitting the corners. CJ still doesn’t have perfect control, but he’s been doing a better job of that recently and as he continues to establish himself as a top pitcher, umpires will probably start giving him the benefit of the doubt more.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think that is a very reasonable outlook on Ceej and his strike calls
In terms of the BABiP keep in mind that while batters are trying to adjust to him, he is trying to stay one step ahead and adjust to them as well. He’s got a mindset to not let opponents “solve” him. The BP writeup/interview gave really good insight on his preparation. I don’t think the BABiP will regress much unless he gets injured. When he struggled for a couple of games in May he had strained his trapezius and his delivery was affected. The last Seattle outing he was sick.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
You don't think it will regress much?
What is much? I mean, it’s at .261. Greg Maddux is notable for having his in the low .280s.
Which I'm pretty sure is the lowest of any pitcher to have a decent career since 1993.
So keeping it 20 points below average is unheard of, let alone almost 40.
do you think Cliff Lee can keep his K/BB ratio that amazing?
No I don’t think CJ can keep it up forever. I think the physical wear and aging will force a regression over the next few years. But the key is that every single pitch he throws for a specific batter has a specific purpose. If there was ever an explanation for such a BABiP that would be it.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
This sounds a lot like the
arguments in favor of Feldman being able to keep his BABIP that low.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
this is true
if Feldman came with the same repertoire as last year, mainly his moment on his 2seam and cutter then maybe it would be a different story, but he just wasn’t the same pitcher.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I wasn't aware that Scooter put that much prep into his games?
what CJ told us is that he scouts ever batter to see what sequence of pitches he thinks will work on him. Kinda of like memorizing the old Rubik’s Cube moves.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Has no one ever put this much prep in to games?
And is that the missing piece to getting the ball to go for outs this much more often than anyone else?
I do think that’s possible, but to contend it as likely seems like wishful thinking.
You would be surprised
While some pitchers like Lee study and prepare other pitchers are out deep sea fishing and drinking for 8 hours
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
I would not be surprised if he puts more effort in to it than most pitchers.
I would be surprised if he puts so much more effort than any other pitcher that he can do things they can’t to a huge degree.
In this case, of course, I would love to be surprised. I like this Ceej.
I think you hit on the key words there
CJ could end up having a lower than average BABIP due to the amount of work he puts in to study hitters and to increase his chances of inducing poor contact. But the problem is still that its out of his control where and who that poor contact is hit towards.
Also, the prep work CJ does is going to help him get a lot of strikeouts, which of course don’t count one way or another towards BABIP. Its about putting the ball where the hitter either can’t hit it or won’t make good contact with the ball, not just one or the other.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Except:
Wilson’s not recording that many strikeouts. A 6.86 K/9 is not only not especially good, it’s only 26th out of 51 qualified AL starters.
Wouldn’t it seem strange that Wilson’s approach would be so exceptional that he could depress opponents’ BABiP consistently, but he’d be below the median in terms of striking them out? Wouldn’t you think that with so much work put into analyzing opposing batters, Wilson would also be striking them out at an above-average clip?
And it’s not like the whole “pitching to contact” argument holds a lot of water here, since he walks so many batters, (Unless, of course, we’re chalking that all up to the envious umps.)
Envious umps
Well if you believe, like I do, that he’s getting screwed on strikes being called balls, you would then believe that he should be getting more strikeouts to go along with his decreased number of walks.
And CJ does a hell of a job of preparing for each start and when he’s on, he’s fun to watch pitch. But he’s still not Cliff Lee yet and his control is legitimately off for some games too.
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We disagree here because
we disagree about how much Wilson’s responsible for his own K and BB rates.
He’s been on the end of some bad calls, but to believe it’s fundamentally shifted his peripherals — and more than any/most pitchers in the league — I’d need to see evidence.
And the Granderson call, for example, wouldn’t do it for me.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick: what's Lee's BABIP
for this season, and over his career?
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's more likely than someone keeping a BABIP 40 points below average.
Strike outs and walks are a much more repeatable skill than controlling balls hit in play.
Further, K/BB rate normalizes within a full season for a starter, BABIP doesn’t.
If Colby Lewis is actually able to maintain a BABIP that low over a large sample, then he is able to do things other pitchers are not. It’s entirely possible, but not a safe bet.
that, and the guy is on a historic pace
for being completely untouchable against lefties. his BABIP will increase mainly because teams are all now stacking RHs against him to negate his dominance against lefties.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Robbie you just watched a guy go nearly 8 shutout innings in 105-106 heat
against an offense juggernaut. I would think his body of work would speak for itself. You can play with the numbers all day but they don’t provide all the answers. If they did Justin Smoak wouldn’t be in Tacoma right now
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
That team that was out there WAS NOT a juggernaut...
And does Boston hitters get play in 75 degree weather?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'll take decades
of data showing that a pitcher’s ability to control BABIP is pretty minimal over one season of watching C.J. Wilson.
by ACWNS09 on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
An offensive juggernaut?
Seriously? You need to read your own statement about the numbers before running that stuff out here.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Only the Yankees have scored more runs this year
and the depleted “split squad” of Boston has generated 68 runs in August, which happens to still be the highest of any AL team.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Also. . .
You’re essentially telling me the reason I should go against the best evidence is because you like the guy and know his prep habits. And those habits will probably, instead of merely possibly, help him do something historic.
You see why that’s unconvincing, right?
I did not say .261 is achievable over a career.
If you accept that BABiP may be influenced by the pitcher, historical average being around .300 is not absolute proof of the opposite. A pitcher at the beginning and at the end of his career would be expected to have a worse BABiP as he fights to hone in his control and to maintain velocity. You bring up the example of Maddux – his BABiP has a bit of a reverse bell curve to it, dipping down from 91 to 98. This would be consistent with that hypothesis.
My argument is that CJ does exert some influence over his BABiP. He has been tough to get a clean hit off of, with his low HR rate as an example. I don’t think we can automatically assume his BABiP will rebound back to .300 next year. This is his sophomore year as a starter but not as a ML pitcher, so going forward I think he will be able to keep it low until he starts to experience the effects of deterioration.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
well this season the Rangers have 11 pitchers whose
BABiP is .285 or less, and only 6 who are over .300, and Ceej is only 25 pts below the team average for 2010, which would be a more appropriate metric for comparison (negating variations due to team defenses).
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
I'm getting tired
of the idea that Wilson’s solved pitching in a way nobody’s solved pitching before.
If he’s got such intellectually inspired pinpoint control that he’ll be able to maintain a .261 BABiP over time, how is it that he can’t convince the umps? Is it just that they’re resentful of how good-looking and successful he is?
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Josh you are supposed to be a smart person right?
why would you be surprised that an intelligent athlete could try to build a strategy for play? Look how complex the work is that offensive and defensive coordinators develop in professional football
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
That's quite condescending...
Does this make all other pitchers in the history of baseball dumb? You don’t think other pitchers have tried that? Other pitching coaches?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
"...supposed to be smart person, right?"
What kind of question is that?
Setting that aside, I’ve never met Wilson. I don’t know how intelligent he is. I’ve also never said that Wilson’s strategery is either unimpressive or ineffective.
I’m saying that the idea that he’s going to maintain a historically amazing BABIP-against while also maintaining a 1.57 K/BB (or a 39 K-BB) strikes me as unconvincing, however intelligent Wilson is, and however much time he devotes to his strategery.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
He clearly has some influence over his BABiP
if pitchers had no control over the way batter balls bounced they why is CJ’s BABiP L/R split .154/.284 this year and .234/.318 career? A typical statistician response it that there model is correct and everything that doesn’t follow is an anomaly, rather than concede the construct does not account for enough factors.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Let's try this another way
Would careful measuring and study of a quarter result in me being able to predict heads or tails greater than ~50% of the time over 1,000 flips?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
what is the p value of CJ's BABiP split based on over 600 batters faced this year?
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
But that's not what you posted.
I don’t disagree that Wilson has some influence over his BABiP. I never have. But you’re writing things like:
…a regression over the next few years…
, which is a different argument — you’re basically saying Wilson can expect his BABIP to gradually move up from .261, maybe, over 2011-2013. Which I think is unsupported by any evidence.
As for your line about statisticians, it’s garbage. You’re completely off base there.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
for evidence look at Greg Maddux and his BABiP reverse bell curve
Stats guys get caught up in their stats and can miss the picture. When all you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail. I have worked with statisticians frequently in research – I was at the Whitehead and Mass Eye & Ear for 2 years with Robert Weinberg, and have been a co-author of numerous scientific papers and chapters.
I think the most absurd example of statistical tyranny occurred in my stats class at MIT (the easiest of the math courses offered). I was accused by my professor of cheating because I missed a single question by making a mistake in adding some fractions. He was certain that I and 3 other people unknown to me in class had cheated because the odds of four people making the exact same stupid mistake were statistically impossible. It did not occur to him that the raw class average for stats was in the 90’s compared to the 50’s for all the other math coursework, and that no one needed to cheat .
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Oh, good grief.
Name-dropping, arguments from co-authorship, and anecdotes about bad MIT stats professors do not justify this sort of massive over-generalization:
A typical statistician response it that there model is correct and everything that doesn’t follow is an anomaly, rather than concede the construct does not account for enough factors.
As for Greg Maddux, I just charted his BABIP (excluding the first year as an outlier), and the “reverse bell curve” you’re talking about it laughable. Not only that, but in citing his example, you’re completing ignoring how different his peripherals are from Wilson’s.
Your whole argument has gone off the rails.
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Over the last three years, the lowest is Ted Lilly at .270.
No one else is under .280. Among starters.
when Ceej was on MLB Network
after he pitched the rain shortened game in NY, he pretty much said the same thing.
here’s that old vid. i really like Ceej
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I remember that. It was a great segment.
Here’s the thing: both at the time, and just now re-watching it, I kept thinking, “Wow, by that overhead angle, that pitch really does look outside.”
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean, it's very, very close.
It was an 0-2 pitch, just to jog folks’ memory.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
My thought exactly.
It was right on the edge. Maybe an inch outside.
But on 0-2, fuck him, he needs to call that a strike. Thats a Yankee getting call at Yankee Stadium against a Noob.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
See, that's the thing.
On 0-2, my guess is that has less of a chance of being called a strike anywhere, against anyone, if the pitcher is in the process of throwing 112 pitches, 66 of them for strikes.
And quite honestly, if a Rangers batter struck out looking on that pitch in similar circumstances, this place would be going nuts about robots.
And in any event,
Mitch Williams’ repeated insistence that “that’s a blatant strike” doesn’t seem to hold up.
I can see the argument that it’s a strike, even if (by my eye) I don’t agree; after repeated viewings, it started outside, and wound up outside.
But to call it “blatant”? C’mon.
I disagree with that we'd get all that upset on a pitch that close...
and I still think it’s a strike.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 16, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
In a GDT?
People are getting upset about pitches that are strikes being called against the Rangers. C’mon.
And while I agree that it’s a very close pitch, it’s not a blatant strike. I’m sorry. It’s not blatant. Teagarden did a very nice job framing it, but nevertheless, I can completely understand why it was called a ball. I think I probably would’ve called it a ball.
And, additionally:
Wilson going on a national broadcast and citing the MLB rule against explicitly complaining about ball/strike calls, and then noting that he “stood straight up” because he couldn’t believe that pitch was called a ball?
Well, that’s probably not great strategery, from the whole getting-the-umps-on-your-side perspective.
I think we're pretty fair about how terrible umpires are...
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I think a few people are fair.
I think that’s drowned out by others’ unwarranted kvetching. I’ve commented about this in a few GDT, now.
It’s also worth noting that in the action leading up to that 0-2 call, Wilson had walked two batters in the bottom of the 1st, hit a batter in the bottom of the 3rd, and hit and walked two more batters in the 4th.
That’s not exactly a recipe for convincing an umpire you’ve got great command, and he should give you an added inch or two outside.
What is amazing about this pic...
Look at the trajectory of the ball… and remember that a lefty threw that. Sick…
Yeah...
but it would have been unwise to assume that he could have been this good going into the rotation after being in the ’pen for so long and more than doubling his previous career high in innings pitched too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
...
I don’t see how the two are related.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is...
that nothing Wilson does going forward, good or bad, is really going to surprise me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
They're different though
One is a matter of projection and development that are probably better left to the scouts to project. One is a matter of peripheral data suggesting CJ is due for some regression.
For example, I have a very poor grasp on what CJ’s expected IP for this year should be. I have a feeling his BABIP will rise because there’s been very, very, very few data points of pitchers who have the skill to keep a BABIP that low and many more that suggest they can’t. However, I don’t expect it to come all the way up to league average because the Rangers have a good defense.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They've both been good...
but Lewis has been a little better than BGL.
Are you going to find a better 1-2-3 than Lee, Lewis, and Wilson going into the playoffs?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
If Lewis holds up, I'm pretty sure they're the best top three.
Who’s the Cardinals’ No. 3? I can’t look right now.
Is it Westbrook now?
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
Lee is pretty fantastic, which makes it difficult to judge. Twins are a pretty fair matchup based on WAR: Liriano (5.4 WAR), Pavano (3.0 WAR), Scott Baker (2.2 WAR).
The Yankees probably the most concerning though…Sabathia, Hughes, Pettite.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hughes is right at his supposed innings limit for the entire season already.
It will be interesting how they handle him down the stretch.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting corollary, no?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
and Pettitte's hurt
can’t forget that.
so they’re rolling Sabathia, Vazquez and some guy who was sitting in the 5th row last week.
Mal: Inara, think you can stoop to bein' on my arm?
Inara Serra: Will you wash it first?
It is very important.
But not more important than a completely healthy roster.
Also, I don’t think the difference between Tampa and New York is very big, so I don’t think the match-up is a big deal. The only thing is the ~4% better chance of winning in the decisive game.
I agree with this.
And while the experience factor is obviously nebulous, it’s got to count for something, right?
Whether or not he's in next year's roto
depends on what he does in ST 2011. But right now, that’s the least of our concerns
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
this is stupid
ST is just to prepare. making decisions based on fluff ST performances is ridiculous. Kris Benson anyone? Matt Kata? your best 5 pitchers go in the rotation. I’m for seeing Holland and Feliz in the roto with Scheppers taking over Ogando’s role and Ogando moving into the closers role
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
CJ Wilson?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
it's not as though they didn't know what CJ had going in
he was one of the best 5 going in, and the question was whether he would be able to get deep into games. it, also helped that Hunter got hurt.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
CJ was told that he had to be one of the top 2 pitchers in ST or he'd stay in the pen
That aside, I really don’t think their future roles are high priority right now. They can always send them to the AFL or Summer Leagues, and then do some more evaluation in ST.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I love the reputation Scheppers has
before he even throws a ML pitch. Why don’t the Rangers just make him the ace of the fucking pitching staff right now.
I love that you mention this every time
like you think Scheppers doesn’t have the stuff to succeed. the guy hits upper 90s and has a wicked CB.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Heh, played.
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Scheppers
I don’t think we see him this season.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I am well aware of his stuff
I am also well aware that the biggest jump in baseball is from AAA to the MLs. It wouldn’t surprise me if he has a Feliz type of success his first time in the MLs. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he has a Madrigal moment his first game.
I thought the biggest jump was to AA
but maybe that’s just for the minors
by John Fountain on Aug 15, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
No, just for RMad
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Glad to see him take the hill so soon
Now, stay away from the fish tacos, Tommy.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
No, Feldman is going to pitch, just for Wednesday.
/Adam
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
Actually
I said that Feldman was going to pitch Tuesday. I said they weren’t going to bring Holland back to pitch on Tuesday on short rest.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I was joking.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry.
:/
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
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by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 6:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 6:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
meh
at least Harden’s gone
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interesting
so do Boggs and Strop stick around until Weds? I’d like to see Scheppers called up.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Then who gets DFA'd
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I know who I'd choose but there is a love affair with having that scrub on the roster
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Someone will have to be DFA'd. Schepp isn't on the 40.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Strop gets dropped for Holland
Boggs, it depends on Cruz.
If Cruz comes back in a few days, Boggs goes down for Arias.
Otherwise, Cruz to the d.l., Arias activated.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't want that last scenario
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Or
Francisco could go on the DL if he isn’t ready to pitch by Wednesday, instead of Strop sent down.
Regardless, no one will be DFA’d this week.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's good that Holland...
will get a couple of months of special Cliff Lee time before the season ends.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 15, 2010 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
Yep
my line of reasoning.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
+1
That is absolutely huge. If he learns as much as he can from Lee for the next 2 months….well, I won’t even finish that thought.
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:D
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Dustin Johnson got HOSED!
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
I found that distinctly funny as well.
by DevilManHammy on Aug 15, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I overlooked that
and then did a “vomit-shortened” Google search and this thread was the first to pop up. I love the Interlsb’s. Thanks, Rodney for that bit of gold.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
On a Non-Ranger related note
I think TAG mentioned it on the broadcast, but good for Bullington. Nice to see him shut-out the Yankees today
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Yes, he did
And yes.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Nellie said he feels much better than yesterday
Said his hammy was tight before the game.
So, I think this is good news.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Of all the possible ways to reply
You pick dumb…
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
by Rodney on Aug 15, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So Nellie has a tight hamsting before Saturday's game
and proceeds to tweaks it during the game. You are OK with that?
I'm OK that he's not a pussy like Milton Bradley
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
where's the report that his hamstring was tight before the game
It’s hard to know when to sit someone through the grind of a Major League season, and managers can only go off what they know from trainers and players.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I am going by what Rodney posted above
I also believe it was reported that Nellie said his hamstring was tight the whole game. Did Nellie tell the team trainer?
I kinda doubt it
Big series, huge crowds, Vlad in the shitter. I would imagine he tried to gut it out and play through it.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I can see your point
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
you don't know
that the team didn’t know about Cruz’s hamstring. Comparing this to Salty’s situation is premature, at the very least.
At this point in the season, no one is 100%. Why would anyone be angry with Cruz for playing, especially the FO?
by elvis1isking on Aug 15, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
But given his history this year, I think they would proceed cautiously if Nellie’s hamstings were bothering him.
yes, as they should
especially with our lead in the division.
but, sometimes muscles are sore and tight and get loose when you stretch and get on the field. other times, yesterday happens. we’ll just hope he’s not out long.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Wrong.
You are either injured or not. Black or white.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It was brought up on the postgame show
Delgan was repeating what Nellie said before the game.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Thank you
for putting a title on that.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
What is this guy's name?
Or better yet, what did his/her name used to be before the operation?
by LoneStarBallUser on Aug 15, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
srsly?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Oh...
Yeah. I have no idea who that is.
by LoneStarBallUser on Aug 15, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking you think that really is derek holland dressed up like a girl
when (as AWCN said) it is Miss North Dakota.
When I grow up I want to be snarky like you.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Off topic
But you’ll be hearing about this a lot.
Dustin Johnson, who had just finished tied for the lead at the PGA Championship with 2 others at -11, touched his club head on top of the sand in a sand hazard (that looked nothing like a bunker) on the 18th hole. He was assessed a two stroke penalty, and won’t be in the playoff now.
Oh my.
That's what he gets...
for playing golf.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 15, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
nothing makes me want to break things more than playing golf.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 15, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting punched in the face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Golf
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 15, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
About once every year or two
I suggest mini-golfing as a date night. Then I get there and remember how fucking terrible it is, and how much I suck at it, and how much golf sucks, and how everyone who plays it sucks.
It’s like giving birth.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Aug 15, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson goes from having a chance at 1.35 million...
To winning only 273,750.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I have absolutely no idea what this means.
Yay for not watching golf!
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by Lisa W on Aug 15, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
A stupid rule cost him a chance to win the tournament.
by hornedfrogs45 on Aug 15, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean the stupid rule that every golfer knows and that was specially posted in the locker room this week??
mkayyyy
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
There isn't one
For that particular hazard. However, the rules official said it was made clear to all players about the special bunker situation on that course before the tournament. Since there are over 1000 of them, they were supposed to treat pretty much any “sand” as a bunker.
by LoneStarBallUser on Aug 15, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? Would March be better?
Do you prefer your golf in the snow?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm going with no.
So is it just a terrible idea in general to have tourney there? My issue was more with saying Aug was a bad time to have it.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Correct....
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
that's the rule
every other player hasn’t done it
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
60 Minutes has a fascinating interview with Pacino, fwiw
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Haha, they just did that part
I never saw Scent of a Woman either.
And when I was very young, we left Dog Day Afternoon in 3 minutes, haha.
Also, my best friend’s Dad was a guard at Attica during the riots…it ruined his life, he died early.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Sounds like a couple of trips to the movies with my dad
He regularly miscalculated what was appropriate. The funniest, in retrospect, was when he let my stepmom pick me up from Road Warrior, while he stayed.
I was in about the first grade
and watched Patton. That profanity-filled tirade at the first pretty much shaped my life. Small aside, it was in the theater where they filmed the scenes for “The Last Picture Show”.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
Would love to watch it... Except there's these guys knocking around a little white ball on my TV screen.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
tivo, ftw
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Uhm, I can't TIVO something if it's not on TV.
The golf is playing instead of the 60 Minutes.
PS Your caps lock is on.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I am listening on radio
Cause ya…I am a super geek like that.
It’s kind of a tradition now.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
1080 AM
I always listen after a Rangers’ afternoon Sunday game :)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Metroplex, I assume. I don't think I can get that here in Austin.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Maybe stream from KRLD?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah you can
You can manually record something for an hour and a half.
by hornedfrogs45 on Aug 15, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's true that you can.
That’s not my problem right now. My issue is that I can’t watch 60 Mins NOW because there’s golf playing. As soon as the golf is over, I’m sure 60 Minutes will come on. This is an issue Rodney doesn’t have, or, as I just found out, he is listening to it on the radio.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I thought you were another baseball game
Sorry, I don’t watch 60 minutes.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I doubt it's fascinating
Pacino is a tool.
by LoneStarBallUser on Aug 15, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
OT:
Beavan’s line against Round Rock today: 7 4 1 1 2 5
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
So...about 221,000 for this 5 game homestand
Is that $50/head average, $100?
Sweet.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Holland
Serenity now, insanity later.
-Lloyd Braun
by Kevin McBrayer on Aug 15, 2010 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
I see potential here
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
It is
Serenity now, insanity later.
-Lloyd Braun
by Kevin McBrayer on Aug 15, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Borbon with the #4 web gem
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
CRUZ IS OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
The #Rangers gave Nelson Cruz an MRI today after all. It revealed no tear. He will be reevaluated Monday. He is with the team.
Per aandro’s twitter.
That's good news because he's been getting hurt WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much this season
by oc on Aug 15, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
it seems like every crucial player outside of Young and Andrus
are injury prone
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Young last September says hello
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
yes, he had an issue last september
but I wouldn’t call him injury prone like our other players that you always fear DL stints with.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
No he's our Ironman.
Kinsler concerns me, Cruz just needs rest this offseason. Granted hamstrings don’t ever fully heal, but solid rest it best.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
As a season-long Harden apologist...
I’m still thrilled Holland’s coming up
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
OT
I want to install Linux on a computer of mine. It doesn’t necessarily have to be dual boot with anything. Anyone here have a Linux OS to recommend?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'm using Ubuntu on one of my PC's
It really depends on what kind of apps you run. I use a lot of the Adobe suite, Photoshop, After Effects and Flash. None of which I’ve been able to run reliably on Linux. I have Ubuntu on a comp that I have hooked to my TV…It works great for streaming Hulu or movies that I have on my home server.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Its an older, crappier computer than the one I use to run most of my programs
Most of what I would use this for is programming type stuff, but I’d also like to be able to use it for everyday use too if I wanted to.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Well Ubuntu
surfs the web fine there are a ton of apps and games to download it’s just that any Windows programs are a crap shot whether they’ll work or not. You’ll have to download WINE which functions as a Windows emulator in order to run Windows programs. The problem is it doesn’t work 100% of the time.
It comes preloaded with Firefox and surfs the web quite well, it’s got an email client and also has a program that connects your chat and twitter into one place which is kinda nice. It’s free and worth checking out. Just download it on one of your PC’s and burn to a disk. You can try it out before you install it permanently if you want. You would just take the burned disk and put in your cd drive and boot the computer.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Will I have to install all of my own device drivers?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it finds them for you
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 16, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I have an older computer (old XPS gaming desktop) that I use for the same purposes.
I should put Ubuntu on it and play around.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah so far it seems like a really good OS
definitely worth it for internet, email, and streaming.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, you can just DL the live CD and play around with it..
This lets you test it out without impacting the current OS.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Sweet, I'll definitely do that.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what I did with it
It looks pretty good and I’m currently installing it
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
CJ on getting taken out of the game
“I said I got this guy out a couple of times already, I get him out historically and I really need to work on my neck tan,” Wilson said. “I was like, ‘Can you just leave me in?’ And he was like, ‘No, sorry, you did everything you’ve got to do today.’”
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
Very fair from both sides
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He's a funny fucker
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
So
I don’t link Ray Buck’s nonsensical “Buck Shots” column. But I thought I’d share this letter from one of his genius readers:
I haven’t missed a single Rangers game this year (on TV) and here’s what I’d like to see done:
Jon Daniels? Forget it. Admirable job by a nice, young guy, but he’s not a priority. Nolan Ryan can perform in a Jerry Jones capacity as owner/GM.
Brilliant.
Because the front office model to emulate...
…is the Dallas Cowboys front office model.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Nolan...
should get a face-lift and a billion dollar stadium, also.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 15, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't mind the Dallas Cowboys front office model at all
but JD is the man. I feel like this should be making fun of Buck more than Jerry.
by John Fountain on Aug 15, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't mind the Cowboys' front office model?
You think the owner should also be the g.m.?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be great
if JD was the owner of the team
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
If the GM is competent then I'd actually prefer that setup
by John Fountain on Aug 15, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont. An owner/gm has his responsibilities too far spread out.
But if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl here in the next 2 years I guess i can eat crow.
Both the increase in worth and on-field success of the Cowboys
have been more than solid under his tenure. While I agree that up until the past few years his reputation as a football decision-maker was deservedly questionable, our recent drafts, acquisitions, and player-development give me a lot of faith in the front office going forward.
by John Fountain on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you referring to....
the on-field success when Jimmy Johnson was making the decisions or when Bill Parcells was making them?
Other than those two periods, they’ve pretty much sucked.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Post-Bill
The post-Bill success is largely attributable to players that Bill brought in, very similar to the year immediately after Jerry fired Jimmy Johnson.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So when Bill Parcells was here, he did everything?
Jerry Jones or Stephen Jones had no say on any player moves?
So your thoughts on...
2007: Anthony Spencer, Doug Free, Alan Ball
2008: Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Martellus Bennet, Tashard Choice, Orlando Scandrick
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
'Tellus sucks.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Highly overrated early, beloved by sportswriters for his personality, and traded too late?
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
And overrated by fans...
…because he’s colorful and funny and people want him to succeed.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
And he actually had an outstanding rookie year
and a bad sophomore season but I guess he’s already a bust.
I want him to succeed
because he’s a second round draft pick with tons of athletic ability and he’d make the Cowboys better.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Mench might have been traded after his peak value
but it was kind of like the Salty trade this season. Mench still brought in a ridiculously good return (though it was with Nix and Coco in the deal too)
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He's a capable No. 2 TE
He hasn’t turned into the No. 1 TE they were hoping for, but I wouldn’t close the book on him yet.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Being 2nd fiddle to Witten is kinda like being a #1 TE on any other team (except SD and ATL)
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Oh there are plenty
of other TE’s right now who are probably better than Bennett, but he has the ability to be in their group this year with the ceiling to be elite. Which is why he is more valuable than John Phillips, especially to the Cowboys.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't disagreeing with you
although it sounded like I was. He has the potential to be really really good. But he’ll never be option 1 at TE around here.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Hopefully not.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
Funny that’s the guy you picked out of that list.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been told for ... six years now by Aggies how fucking incredible he is supposed to be.
And I got to hear the stupid bullshit about “He plays basketball, too!”
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I just think he falls in the ‘athletic, but not dedicated’ category that plenty of athletes fall into. I know Peter King things John Phillips is better, but I’ll take a healthy ’Tellus over him.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i've got an uber mea maximus culpa
maybe that’s not the right phrase, but whatever…
brady quinn is bad. he sucks so much right now … he was great in his junior year at Notre Dame, but since then; i don’t’ know if it was his weight training or what…but he’s just not that good.
Still, he’s better than Jamarcus Russel.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
The on-field success of the Cowboys...
…has taken a dip since he took over as G.M. from Jimmy Johnson.
And I don’t think it is just a coincidence that the improved personnel moves in recent years coincided with 1) bringing in Bill Parcells to make decisions for a couple of years, and 2) Jerry having to devote himself more to stuff relating to the new stadium and the like.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jimmy Johnson
the same Jimmy Johnson who couldn’t do shit in Miami? the same one who’s on a reality TV show at the moment?
Quitter, ill give him credit for one guy, Witten. The key guys, like Ware and Spencer and Romo were Newman were not his picks…He did like passing on guys like Stephen Jackson for Julius Jones, and Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman and that Ferguson guy from the Jets, Fasano, Carpenter…his ‘bad’ list is really bad
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Yeah, that Jimmy Johnson
The guy who built the Cowboys into a dynasty.
Jimmy Johnson had a hell of a lot more to do with the three Super Bowls that the Cowboys won in the early 90s than Jerry did.
Hell, Jimmy had a better run in Miami than Jerry has had since the core Jimmy built started to disappear.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Winning %
Jimmy Johnson in Miami: .563
Dallas since JJ left: .547
And that’s counting the two years after Jimmy left where his players were able to overcome that Sooner embarrassment who was coaching to win a Super Bowl and get to the conference championship game.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey now
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Atleast Barry isn't pitching Extenz
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
The hell with Barry Switzer
He never should have been the coach of the Cowboys, or any NFL team.
It makes me angry just remembering that.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that was on Jones not Barry
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
There's this weird disconnect in my brain.
Even if I lived it, I cannot remember Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.
I remember Barry Switzer was the Cowboys coach, because he was so embarrassing.
I remember the Cowboys won Super Bowl XXX, because it was awesome.
And I remember Jimmy Johnson left before then, because it was depressing.
Somehow, though, I cannot make my brain fill in who the coach of SB XXX was. I can’t.
I remember when Switzer was arrested trying to board an airplane with a gun.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember when he destroyed the Cowboys because he failed to exercise any institutional control.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I don't know
I’m not 100 years old, so I don’t remember back when he coached. But I’m guessing he probably didn’t. The only point I’ll make to that is that different players make up different teams. When you coach the mid-late 90’s Cowboys, you must understand that if you give Michael Irvin a blank check to do whatever he wants, he will probably trade that blank check to a colombian guy for a pound of cocaine and a bunch of crazy whores, and he’ll probably convince a lot of other guys to do it, too.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Not sure Switzer is someone you should be proud of as a Sooner.
Probably one of the most crooked head coaches in CFB history this side of Saban and Jackie Sherrill.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
3 NC's
If a program is Top 5 year in and year out they are cheating. Not just the Sooners.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I never said he was alone.
I said he was among the most crooked of all time.
You can’t convince me Mack Brown isn’t cheating, either.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I always have a desire to take a bath anytime drive by that Stadium...
now that I live in Austin.
Mack Brown is the poster child of crooked to me.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Weird.
I’ve never seen anything to suggest he’s as underhanded as Saban or Carrol…am I missing something?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...me too.
i’m certain cheating is rampant in the perinnial powerhouses, but Mack (and Stoops, for that matter) both come off as being slightly above the fray. Not nearly as “used-car salesman” like as Saban or Carrol….
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Don't count Stoops out of the dregs.
I know several guys who played for him in the last few years and all of them tell the same story.
Big Red Auto was not about Bomar or Quinn, they were sacrificed to protect someone else.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard a little something like that around here when that stuff happened
but I didn’t take it all that seriously.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Mack has the power of the UT name and boosters to help
keep his stuff under wraps. I’m even hesitant to write anything bad on here, for fear of the UT police to bust through my door and bring a kill shot upon me.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I don't doubt it.
But I’m not talking to a graduate of the U.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
but it's a conversation about both people
He should be proud as hell about Barry Switzer.
Everybody cheats the way Barry did
As a fan of a team that hangs its hat on almost winning the Rose Bowl once. . .
I would be extremely proud of someone who could cheat that well.
Hey, I'm a fan of a basketball team with a coach that everyone swears up and down is the dirtiest of all time
Despite the fact that no program in the history of basketball has been watched with more scrutiny than Baylor in the last seven years.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it
Rick Barnes has done everything short of coming out and accusing them of cheating to the press.
I know that hired John Wall’s AAU coach, but they didn’t even get John Wall…so, again, what am I missing? And is it any different from what goes on at every major basketball program in the country?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Rick Barnes is a whiny bitch who knows his days are numbered.
Rumors, rumors, rumors, accusations, accusations, accusations.
That’s all it is.
Nobody can believe he recruits like he does to Baylor, so they make shit up.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I was shocked by some of the stuff
that Barnes said. Seriously, very, very surprised.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I know im a day late to this....
but Barnes isnt alone
that is basically every coach in the Big XII who feels that way about Drew
I wasn't aware Jimmy Johnson was still coaching..
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
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by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jimmy Johnson also inherited Dan Marino
and a really good Dolphins team (extremely talented offense and so-so defense)
But it’s a stupid comparison to make. Also a stupid argument to have. Cowboys after Jimmy left were bad. Jerry was a bad GM for a while. He’s not anymore
x
Cowboys after Jimmy left were bad. Jerry was a bad GM for a while. He’s not anymore
yep. i’ll agree he was bad for a while. The day he hired BP, everything changed.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
He also inherited a Dolphins team...
…that was in salary cap hell.
And Marino was 35. He was still good, but he wasn’t The Dan Marino anymore.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It was still a good team
maybe not for long term success but it was still good and he couldn’t do much with the club
Really? You think Dan Marino helped him run his run oriented philosophy in Miami?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Heh.
Jimmie Johnson and his Super Bowl rings say “Adapt to this Danny-boy.”
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Great, it worked out so well for him
I’m sorry but you’re really starting to annoy me. Nothing you say makes any sense and is generally wrong
yeah
because Shula and Marino didn’t have anything to do with those teams. He was given a great situation and still couldn’t produce.
Actually they got worse in the 4 years JJ coached Miami, then the previous 4 with Shula.
try again.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
x
He was given a great situation and still couldn’t produce.
Wrong. Try again.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't given a great situation
He had a 35 year old QB who was once great but wasn’t an All-Pro caliber player any more, no running game, and an underwhelming defense.
And the team had salary cap issues.
That said, he didn’t do much with the team once he got there. I’m not going to sit here and act like he did a great job in Miami.
But at the same time, he didn’t exactly STBF over there, either.
And either way, it doesn’t change the fact that he was the guy who built the team that won three Super Bowls here in Dallas.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Last part - no it doesn't
So you don’t really need to make shit up about Jimmy Johnson having success in Miami, do you?
That Miami offense was still really good the year before and they weren’t that good under Jimmy.
Huh?
Where did I “make shit up” about Jimmy having success in Miami?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And look at the offense the year before
No running game.
Their best RB left as a free agent.
Their top running back was a rookie 3rd rounder, and their top two wideouts were O.J. McDuffie and an over-the-hill Fred Barnett.
Let’s not pretend that he inherited a talent-laden team there.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Go look at the skill position players the year before, and who they were able to afford to bring back.
Miami put themselves in a salary cap bind Shula’s last couple of years trying to make one last run. Analogous to Atlanta overpaying for Teixeira in Schuerholz’s last year.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
wasting too much time on this
but OJ McDuffie was a pretty good receiver and it’s hard to know if Fred Barnett was bad. He was 2 years removed from a 1000 yard season and the year before he had a down year but Rodney Peete was throwing to him
x
And either way, it doesn’t change the fact that he was the guy who built the team that won three Super Bowls here in Dallas.
you’re right.
i know another fact.
Tom Landry built teams that went to 5 SBs and won 2 of them.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Actually, Schramm was probably the architect of those teams
Jimmy was the g.m. and head coach. Landry was the head coach.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Gil Brandt
He probably had more to do with building those teams that Schramm or Landry, actually.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Schramm and Brandt built the teams
Landry coached them down to only 2 SB wins.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Wait, so if XIII isn't so poorly officiated and the Cowboys win, is it still "only?"
Given it would have been tied for the most championships in the decade?
How about if the flukey Mackey TD falls short and they win V?
Crazy how it depends on one game
Gosselin has said that if they win that game, not only are they the team of the decade, but they have 3-4 more HOFers as well. Nuts.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Shitty that the players are judged that way
Instead of on their own merits.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really annoyed by the Steelers so definitively called Team of the Decade.
It’s one thing if it’s an official title based on most championships won. But if it’s an assessment type thing not built on a sole objective standard, winning two games by 4 points, one of which had a ton of questionable calls, can’t possibly be the difference between questionable and obvious.
Of course
the man most responsible for the Cowboys not having more HoFers is Former Dallas writer Frank Luksa. While other writers viewed it as their job to lobby for and promote their local players, Luksa thought it was beneath him.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Its a shame
but when people tell us to be satisfied with our 3 SB’s, its hard to because we could’ve had at least 5.
If you guys are looking into doing some reading, go and read Boys will be Boys by Jeff Pearlman. Just read it recently and it gives such great insight into those 90s Cowboys.
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by mayur.patel on Aug 15, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hear it!
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by mayur.patel on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't think of another NFL team that's had as many high-profile heart breaks as the Cowboys.
There are teams that are more “cursed” owing to having never won at all. But their are so many brutal Cowboys losses just because of getting far so often and usually being good enough to at least play with their competition in those years.
I mean, the three Super Bowl losses were by a total of 11 points! And one of them was just a freaky, flukey game and another was one of the worst officiated Super Bowls ever.
And then there’s the 90s melt down which is a whole different sort of heart break. Thinking about how many championships the Cowboys could realistically have on top of the mere five they’ve got is a depressing exercise.
And their actual championships weren’t usually close, often controversial games like a certain team with more titles. . .
Meh.
Consistently good teams are going to play in high profile games and generally not get blown out. They’re also not going to win all of them. It’s inevitable.
Also, there are quite a few who were close to the situation back then who think that there was so much discord throughout the organization that it wouldn’t have held together anyways.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree the reason the Cowboys have so much heart break in their history is that no other franchise was so consistently elite for so long in the post-merger era.
But heart break is heart break.
Yeah...
Heart break still results in broken remotes, angry drives, nauseous nights, and, once, a close yourself off from everybody and just stay in the bedroom.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya
I still don’t get why people come around and say that other teams (mainly Steelers fans) come around and say that they’ve had better franchises then we do.
Ever since the Super Bowl came into existence, we’ve been to the most SB’s the most NFC Championship’s, and we’ve won the second most championships. If we had so much as beaten the Steelers once in the 70s or if Craig Morton doesn’t fuck up against the Colts, we’re the team of the 70s and 90s, but that’s life in the Cowboys world. We’re still America’s Team, the most popular, and we have a legitimate chance of playing the SB in our home stadium.
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by mayur.patel on Aug 15, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Because while the Cowboys
have been to the most, the Steelers have won the most.
The Steelers have scoreboard.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
That could be an argument
but check this out. It’s a decent argument and the guy’s a Packers fan so its not going to be biased towards us.
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Pffft
It’s Bob Sturm, radio personality from Dallas. Fuck him.
A better formula is Super Bowls won, because here in America, we like winners, not also rans.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
So...
SB winners are the only ones qualified for the HOF?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That could be an argument
but check this out. It’s a decent argument and the guy’s a Packers fan so its not going to be biased towards us.
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Here's what people don't understand
Everett McIver deserved to get stabbed in the neck with a pair of scissors.
That was Michael Irvin’s team. If Michael Irvin wants a haircut…hell, you’re Everett McIver. You get up and let Michael get his hair cut.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the most i've agreed with you in this thread
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Probably shouldn't have been for a long time
But you can’t say that they don’t know what they’re doing right now.
The Roy Williams trade had Jerry's fingerprints all over it
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
So does DeMarcus Ware.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Jenkins? Meh.
Felix Jones? Meh.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 8:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I still remember the uproar that attended ridding ourselves of Anthony Henry
You can’t have Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick as your top 3 corners! You can’t do that!
Crazy how differently we think of Jenkins
I hope he continues his progression this year, but I would be more than happy if he just gave me 3-4 more years of where he’s at now. Considering the variability of most CB’s from year to year though…I doubt it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jenkins is the best corner on this team.
And I’m very high on him going into this year. Love the guy.
I am, too
Just realize that a step back from where he was last year doesn’t mean he sucks. A step forward puts him among the top 5-10 CB’s in the game.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
Who knows. Pretty small sample size for the first stringers.
I think he’ll be fine as a deep safety sort and imagine he’ll give them more interceptions. I’m concerned about him filling in on the other half of a safety’s duties…especially over a full season.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a
We’re still in the second week of spring training thing.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i think he likes the Pats owner
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
The Pats owner
Who has one year’s worth of data suggesting he’s an owner who will spend on his team and many, many more years suggesting he’s rather tight-fisted?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta say I agree with this.
At least Jones has figured out how to be a passable GM. He’s no Al Davis. (And really this phenomenon should be referred to as the Raiders model, not the Cowboys model.)
lol
probably the most talented team in the NFL, yes it’s “so poorly run”
that’s just ajm being ajm.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Let's not go crazy.
Oline is a serious problem for this team right now.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
starters are really good
but yeah, the depth is an issue. Hopefully someone will step up…
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Now that Columbo is out 2-4 weeks, we'll see.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
2-4 weeks?
so, he’s going to be good for the start of the season?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
According to multiple reporters on Twitter, they're scoping his knee to remove loose bodies.
No idea if they’re going to find Molina in there.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So he's going to be out of shape and out of practice for the first 2-3 weeks of the reg. season.
I’m really not very confident with this teams chances.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Injuries are fucking killing them right now.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
By your logic, them being the most talented and not winning the Super Bowl, hell, not winning a playoff game until last year since 1996
seems to point out that they aren’t a very well ran team…
Just because you have talent doesn’t mean you’re running your org well.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
winning a lot of games
is running this thing well…it’s kinda hard to win a SB. He’s on the right track.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
what?
what a strained argument. If your job is GM and you have the most talented team in the league, then you are doing a pretty fucking good job. It’s not the totality of your duties, but it’s pretty fucking high on the list of priorities
So what is keeping the Cowboys from succeeding?
My point is specifically with JJ. He isn’t putting together a team that can succeed in the playoffs. Sure TO is great, but he was a horrible cancer that was a terrible match for a young QB. I was going after Longhorn saying they had the best team in the NFL. If that was true, they should be winning playoff games left and right.
Especially with the large amount of control Jones has over the team. It has his finger prints on it, as do the lack of playoff games/wins.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
TO was released a long time ago, buddy.
Do you even keep up with the Cowboys?
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
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by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm aware of that.
I was using the TO acquisition JJ made as a point of bring in one of the best at a position and it actually not helping the team succeed.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
They made the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years he was there...
You’re really grasping and should just stop.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't think getting a bunch of shiny pieces together
and thinking they will form a winning team with a coaching staff that doesn’t have a defined leader means your organization is run well.
Jerry Jones is an amazing business man and can silver tongue a lot of things to help the Cowboys chances to win a Super Bowl.
He has no business running the Cowboys as a GM.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He does actually, you act like he's Al fucking Davis.
Besides the Roy Williams trade, there’s not one move I haven’t had a problem with, really.
He’s a good GM. Acknowledge it.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
There's the 2009 draft...
2007 draft, 2006 draft, 2004 draft.
He did make up face in 2005, but he had two first rounders to find a nut.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
You're only problem is his drafting?
K.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
And TO, and Roy, and the myriad of crappy coaches that have graced this team.
I enjoyed Parcells, but he was not set up to succeed. That was also on JJ.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Jerry gave Parcells free reign on things..
And he flopped.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Or, really, the most control he's ever given a coach in sometime.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
You really think Parcells wanted TO on that team?
If Parcells had his way, TO wouldn’t even be allowed to play in the same state as his team
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
If Parcells had his way completely..
He would’ve never made the playoffs again after The Quincy Carter Year.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If Parcells had free reign...
…Owens never would have been a Cowboy.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
jerry had to save him
somehow, from the crappy drafts.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
And the Cowboys would have never made the playoffs that year.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
for visual purposes
2003:
Round 1 #5 â€" Terence Newman, CB â€" Kansas St.
Round 2 #38 â€" Al Johnson, C â€" Wisconsin
Round 3 # 69 â€" Jason Witten, TE â€" Tennessee
Round 4 #103 â€" Bradie James, LB â€" LSU
Round 6 #178 â€" B. J. Tucker, CB â€" Wisconsin
Round 6 #186 â€" Zuriel Smith, WR – Hampton
Round 7 #219 â€" Justin Bates, G â€" Colorado
2004:
Round 2 #43 â€" Julius Jones, RB â€" Notre Dame
Round 2 #52 â€" Jacob Rogers, OT â€" USC
Round 3 #83 â€" Steven Peterman, G â€" LSU
Round 4 #121 â€" Bruce Thornton, CB â€" Georgia
Round 5 #144 â€" Sean Ryan, TE â€" Boston College
Round 7 #205 â€" Nate Jones, CB â€" Rutgers
Round 7 #216 â€" Patrick Crayton, WR â€" Northwestern Oklahoma St.
Round 7 #223 â€" Jacques Reeves, CB â€" Purdue
2005:
Round 1 #11 â€" DeMarcus Ware, OLB â€" Troy St.
Round 1 #20 â€" Marcus Spears, DE â€" LSU
Round 2 #42 â€" Kevin Burnett, LB â€" Tennessee
Round 4 #109 â€" Marion Barber, RB â€" Minnesota
Round 4 #132 â€" Chris Canty, DE â€" Virginia
Round 6 #208 â€" Justin Beriault, DB â€" Ball St.
Round 6 #209 â€" Rob Petitti, OT â€" Pittsburgh
Round 7 #224 â€" Jay Ratliff, DE â€" Auburn
2006:
Round 1 #18 â€" Bobby Carpenter, LB â€" Ohio St.
Round 2 #53 â€" Anthony Fasano, TE â€" Notre Dame
Round 3 #92 â€" Jason Hatcher, DE â€" Grambling St.
Round 4 #125 â€" Skyler Green, WR â€" LSU
Round 5 #138 â€" Pat Watkins, FS â€" Florida St.
Round 6 #182 â€" Montavious Stanley, DT â€" Louisville
Round 7 #211 â€" Pat McQuistan, OT â€" Weber St.
Round 7 #224 â€" E. J. Whitley, C â€" Texas Tech
Things we know:
2003: Jerry wanted Newman…BP really wanted Dwayne Robertson from that draft. If not him he wanted Sullivan. Witten, i think that was a slam dunk pick in the 3rd.
2004: LOL.
2005: We know BP wanted to take Spears with the top pick, not Ware. Barber was a good BP pick.
2006: LOL.
Bottom line, i wish JJ would have completely taken over those drafts.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
And we got Anthony Spencer in the 07 draft, fwiw.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a problem with the 2007 draft???
I’m pretty down on the 2009 draft, but considering the strength of the current starters and how many of them were injured last year, shouldn’t we give it a year or two more before calling it a bust?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
especially with that overall draft class being pretty bad. We knew most of those guys were going to be projects. Jason Williams looks good. The other Williams and Butler and Buehler and Phillips (best TE on the team not named Witten). Brewster has been hurt, so incomplete there…McGee just sucks though.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Jason Williams needs more experience
Williams and Butler seem like solid OLB depth, at least from what I’ve seen of them.
Don’t overrate Phillips, but yeah, you’d rather have him than not have him. That injury really sucks.
I like Brewster. He seems like my kind of RT. So is Colombo, to be fair, but he’s getting old.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not a bust. It wasn't very good.
The first round pick was solid. Most are.
Marten? Gone
Stanback? Gone
Free? Jury’s out. This year will show.
Folk? ………
Anderson? I like him.
Brown? Enjoy NY sucka.
Ball? A possible diamond. I am ok with him.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
wasn't good?
4 starters? Spencer is a beast, Folk was an uberbeast for a while, Anderson is good, Free (jury out??…did u watch last year and this preseason), he’s really good, and Ball…
I don’t think finding 5 starters in one draft is a bad thing.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Folk's fall was Teagardenesque.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
So strange
I really hope Houston dumps Rackers. I would like him…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he going to make the NYJ?
He was absolute money from 52 on-in, and he made the freakin’ Pro Bowl. Too bad for him.
Buehler, of all people, is my current Flavor of The Week.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
those 2 years were folking awesome
will never forget what he did in Buffalo.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Lots of yelling
And knocking over of chip bowl at friends house. I was certain I had died at some point that night.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you are going overrating Spencer's season this year.
The same for Free’s.
Don’t count Folk as a starter until he makes it past week 6.
Anderson just needs to hit someone and not drop the 25 passes that will come his way this year.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Spencer was the best defensive player from Week 8 and on...
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So when Ware was only playing
part time during the Saints game last year and Spencer got 2 sacks?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He had one good game.
The whole Cowboys defense did.
He’s totaled 10.5 sacks in 3 years. Nothing that blows my mind.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He was a rookie behind Greg Ellis..
And he was hurt most of his 2nd year.
Stop the bit.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe how quickly
You are tossing him aside.
DeMarcus Ware had 11.5 sacks last year, Spencer had 6. Both of them had 29 hurries. Ware had a 81% stop rate on 32 runs-8th in the NFL, Spencer had a 80% stop rate on 40 runs, 14th in the NFL.
I don’t know how else to say it…Spencer is a good.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to see him do great this year.
And for a first round pick, I’d like him to be more than good to be considered a great pick.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
It's possible
But he was so good last year, that at least one writer voted him All-Pro.
If you look past the sack numbers, you’ll see he was getting a good number of hurries in the first half of the season. Not surprisingly, these started turning into sacks.
Folk’s gone.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ware helped with him on that.
I was talking about waiting to see Folk in NY. (Assuming we wanted to use his results to boost his stock)
I hate arguing against the Cowboys.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
So what if Ware helped him?
Jerry/Cowboys FO still drafted a pro-bowl caliber player at an important position with their first round pick.
It’s funny that he traded away that 1st round pick for Roy Freaking Williams because he’s been fire with them since Carpenter.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a bit early to proclaim Spencer Pro Bowl caliber.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
On reason I did
Is because Peter King had him as an All-Pro last year and the sack numbers really came on too late last year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’s why I didn’t say all-pro. But if someone of his reach is banging the drum, I imagine Spencer will be getting a lot more pub soon.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope he doesn't get any pub.
I’d rather him just rake. He’ll get publicity because he has a star on his helmet.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Sooo, let me get this right
An OLB capable of being a pro-bowler, your left tackle of the future, a replacement level safety and fullback, and a kicker who was decent for a couple of years then fell off of a cliff.
That’s a lot of value for a draft. Both in terms of ceiling and league average production.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy Spencer yet.
I also doubt Free is going to be the left tackle of the future.
I agree with the RL safety and FB. The kicker? They got two years out of him. Now nothing.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Ok.
One good to great starter, 2-3 average players and a decent but short-lived player?
5 players who are more than bench/ST fodder in one draft? Maybe it wasn’t the best draft that year, but that is a better than average draft. If you could do that every year, you would win 9 games ever year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, he's not a terrible GM.
Could he be better? Sure, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. He’s got some stinkers to his credit, but he’s also done quite a bit of good. Plus, it seems like Steven is in his ear a lot more these days and is at least somewhat keeping him in check.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Yeah
I think his main weakness is wanting to go for stars. It’s not the worst trait, especially now that he’s been convinced to pursue them in the draft instead of FA.
The concern, of course, is that they have a pathological need to ignore/undervalue linemen and safeties in the draft, but surely they address it next year….right? RIGHT? Sigh…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure
I think they feel the best way to draft OL is the volume, mid to late round approach. It’s frustrating because it makes it so much harder to come up with an elite lineman that way…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But it also really hasn't been listed as their top need
At least maybe not inside the room. That could be different going into next year’s draft.
CB could be their top need next year
And would be classified as higher profile/harder to find.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
Newman’s reliability will continue to drop from here on out. I’m just hoping he has one good one left in him.
He should.
And the theoretical 1st round CB will need a year or two to get up to speed.
I’d like to leave Scandrick on the inside in the nickel.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, maybe one of these guys currently on the roster...
…will turn into a player; Brewster, Young, etc
I think Brewster is the RT next year or so
But they still need better depth at guard and ESPECIALLY CENTER!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been howling about the safety/o-line issue for a couple years now.
You already know that though I think. I’m pretty sure we’ve had that conversation before at BTB or here at some point. Drives me insane.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
the best team always wins left and right?
really?
Peyton Manning says hello.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Well they weren't always the most talented
But it’s still a dumb argument on face. You don’t fault management for putting together the most talented team in the league and not winning. Weird shit happens on the way to winning championships. It’s not always a given that the best team is going to win.
I want to argue that given a different GM, a better one, who has access
to the same money, same prestige, and same facilities as the Dallas Cowboys can do a better job.
Not only with assembling a better team, but also drafting better.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I think you're overstating it
If you think Jerry is the driving force behind 90+% of the picks after the first one.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
x
Just because you have talent doesn’t mean you’re running your org well.
Um, what? That makes no sense. What else do you want the GM to do?
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe he wants jerry to hire a coach and a staff
that goes 33-15 over a 3 year period and wins a playoff game?
oh, wait…
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh my gosh
I just lost IQ points reading that.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
You can really tell JD's value from watching the games.
Nolan’s grittiness and management expertise really comes through, too.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this today
But doesn’t a 63 y/o man sitting in that sun kind of shame the rest of us who are hesitant to go out to the ballpark for an afternoon game?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I went with my 63 year old dad, and there was a lady a couple rows near us
that had to be pushing 80.
At least Nolan’s seats had covers. Couldn’t lean back in our seats.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I don't think you can compare Nolan's experience at the game to yours in any way
Other than that you are both watching a baseball game.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh My God
Die reader, die
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
the horror...
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Nolan Ryan as a GM
I shudder to think at the disaster that would be.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
It's actually Cougar Coffee
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
Because old school baseball guys are out of date
Having Nolan around as a public figurehead and organizational authority figure who can bitch-slap Michael Young is nice, but I wouldn’t want him making all the actual baseball decisions.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
Stupid.
Just because Jerry can pull it off doesn’t mean everybody can. In fact, in most cases where the owner is the GM it turns out as a disaster. Nevermind how stupid saying JD isn’t a priority is.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No matter whether it's a good idea or not
I’m pumped for a Holland start
by John Fountain on Aug 15, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
considering our other options
I’d say he gives us the best chance to win
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm a huge Holland fan
but I’m not sure about that. He hasn’t looked sharp since returning from the DL.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Holland
The start before his last, he went 6 innings with no runs allowed.
Excluding that last start, his ERA was 2.87 on the rehab assignment.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
it's like a guaranteed no-hitter!
/kidding
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I said this in the midst of the hideousness
that was this mornings thread.
This could be a perfect game tonight. Lee doesn’t walk anyone and Rays have a distressing tendency to get no-hit.
Mal: Inara, think you can stoop to bein' on my arm?
Inara Serra: Will you wash it first?
well
I think one of the more dangerous hitters against us is Carlos Pena and he’s on the DL. The Rays have a good team, but I feel more confident with Holland than I do with the combo of Feldman and Harden. I like what Harrison is doing out of the ‘pen so I won’t mess with that
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think Pena comes off the DL tomorrow
Baseball ain't like football. You can't make up no trick plays. ~Yogi Berra
well, damn, you're right
He may return tomorrow. I’m not sure how smart it would be to bring him back against Lee, but it’s possible.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Anyone watch Rubicon?
Is it worth getting caught up on and getting invested into? I love watching shows with similar subject matter.
Serenity now, insanity later.
-Lloyd Braun
by Kevin McBrayer on Aug 15, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it's
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Aug 15, 2010 10:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
fail. I think its good--I haven't seen tonight's but I heard it's te best one.
Its kind of slow.
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Slow doesn't even to begin to describe how boring it is
If they wanted to establish in the first three episodes that being in a government think tank makes for a mundane and boring life, they did a good job.
Hopefully it picks up soon.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
It picked up last episode.
The plot pace is fine by me. Noobs with terrible attention spans can go watch Real Housewives of some shitty city.
This makes me very happy...
The Rangers have all but won the AL West. Holland has nothing left to prove at the AAA level other than the fact that he’s healthy and ready to go. The Rangers need to see what he can do at the ML level the rest of the way. Then they can decide on Holland or Harrison for the ‘pen in the playoffs. I know which guy I’d take.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Bonerific
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 15, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Many of my best dreams for the rest of this season involve Holland going on a tear to get ready for the playoffs.
This is setting up nicely.
Fangraphs says Hamilton gained another .1 in WAR today.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
You know who is charging hard up the list?
Ryan Zimmerman. That guy is on fire right now.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
this
Ryan Zimmerman would be a star in a bigger market. Flip teams with David Wright and Zimmerman, and Zimmerman would be the talk of NY while Wright would be the forgotten man in Wash
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
To be fair
Wright was ridiculous in ’07 an ’08. Over those two years, he was probably the best player in baseball not named Pujols.
I'm not discounting how good Wright is
I’m merely stating that Zimmerman would have a much bigger reputation if he was in NY, and likewise Wright would not be quite as large without the NY media. Granted, in those years Wright was among the best with Pujols, Hanley, Reyes, Holliday, and Arod.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Understood
And I agree that Zimmerman is very underappreciated. I was just trying to say that, for as good as Zimm is, he’s never had a run like Wright had those two years, so I can see why there’s a gap between the two in public perception. And more importantly, Zimmerman’s never had an offensive season (before this one) that matched up with what Wright did from ‘05-’08, and lord knows that’s what most fans zero in on. Hopefully he’ll get some recognition for what he’s done this year.
It's not like DC
is a small market…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He's having a spectacular year.
Career high ISO, career high walk rate… I love me some Zimm.
I know we’ll never get our hands on him, but he’s the 3B of my wildest Ranger fantasies.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
I decided last night that right around where Profar is really hitting his stride at third. . .
. . . the Rangers shore up their catcher situation for a year and a half by trading for Bryce Harper.
With the Perez-Feliz-Holland-Scheppers-Font rotation going strong, the result is two of the best teams ever constructed.
Aren't they converting him to the OF though?
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
You remember the conversation yesterday about unexpectedly-funny SNLs?
Peyton Manning was a good one.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
When he was berating
those kids for sucking and drilling them with rifle-shot throws. Genius.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
lol
Remember when Hamilton was fighting to climb the rankings and take that number 1 spot? Good times. Its ridiculous how much more valuable he’s been than the rest of the league.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
especially after how terrible he was in April
Remember that religious zealot that said he’d never be good again because of the drugs and drinking?
drugs and alcohol make you awesome!
that guy just didn’t know how to party. Or should I say “par-tay!”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Just look at Michael Irvin.
He was much better when he got all of the coke and hookers he wanted. Sorry for another football reference considering what went on above, but Mike did like his coke and hookers.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
It's funny, at one point, it was a nice little hot streak that had put Hamilton in contention for deserving a spot on the All-Star bench.
Then it became a really long hot streak. Then it simply became he is the best in baseball this year.
If he doesn't get the MVP,
it will just be a sad day for baseball.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
I have a really dumb question, LSBers...
I hate to out myself like this…can someone explain WAR to me? The Idiots’ Version, please. I end up Z’ing through all these interesting-soundlind subthreads because I cant’ figure out what the hell it is. Writing that was like that episode of The Cosby Show where Sammy Davis Jr. admits he can’t read or write.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Wins above replacement..
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
what an obscure reference
wins above replacement. Just a value measurement based on performance. Technically measures how many wins that person has added to the team as opposed to his spot being replaced by someone who is a AAAA guy (basically). Takes into account batting and fielding (fangraphs uses UZR), how many games you’ve played, the difficulty of your position. Actually, that is how fangraphs calculates it. Not sure what Baseball reference uses to calculate WAR.
I don’t think I covered everything though
You should read this though
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-one
Baseball-Reference uses the less accurate Total Zone for their fielding component
That usually ends up giving you a different value from what Fangraphs gives you.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Also, they're very different for pitchers.
It takes a pitchers adjusted ERA, and then removes or adds the average TZ per game the team adds defensively. FanGraphs just uses park-adjusted FIP.
B-R’s also includes some base running components FanGraphs doesn’t.
I don't know why
but I never look at WAR for pitchers. I guess I just prefer looking at the pitcher’s overall stats even though for hitters I prefer to look at one overall stat.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Question
Does FanGraphs incorporate wOBA for hitters in WAR? Because I was under the impression that wOBA implemented some baserunning components, too.
Well, yes and now.
They include wRAA, and wOBA is based on that. And it does include stealing, but Rally goes further and tries to include things like going first to third.
Actually
am I right about the replacement part? I always forget if it is replacement over league average or replacement over minor leaguer
it is replacement over minor leaguer
or Willie Bloomquist, as Cameron explains.
Was confused because wRAA is actually runs above average but that gets adjusted with the replacement calculation.
Yup.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
the reference
the sweet Lord has blessed me with many, many talents. And one of those talents (that I’m still attempting to find the practical application for) is the ability to turn on ANY episode of The Cosby Show at any point in the episode, watch for 1 minute and then give you the exact plotline and two direct quotes.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Sounds like more of a curse than a blessing.
I was never a fan of the Cosby Show.
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty."- General George S. Patton
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the Cosby show. Alas, I was not old enough to see all the episode.
Actually, I was busy with school etc. to watch TV. If Cosby show was on while I was in my 20’s we’d be good.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Sweet.
My comparable talent is being able to tell you the winning and losing teams of any Super Bowl off the top of my head, as well as the MVP and starting QBs. Made money off of that, as well.
I can usually give you both coaches, too.
Bob Sturm?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, though, for the longest time I figured most people could.
I’d get really amazed when someone on ESPN would get a Super Bowl fact wrong or when someone on ESPN would be wrong about how many titles a team had one or anything like that.
yours is much more useful
no one ever asks “you know what I’d love to know? What was the name of the husband of Theo’s math teacher? And what was her nickname?”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Disagree.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I also disagree
guys are always talking football and interesting shit therein. No one cares that the designer shirt Theo wanted to buy for his date in the first season was made by Gordon Gartrelle.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I wasn't going to say anything
but now that you’re showboating a bit, I want to say that I knew all of these things as well
Was that Sonja Braga?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Really?
Interesting…loved that show as a kid.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I think The Cosby Show parented me better than my actual human parents did
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I can do that with Law and Order and usually Seinfeld.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I could probably with the Venture Bros and maybe Arrested Development.
AD is so dense, though, that even if I’ve seen every episode, it would probably be hard.
OK...I get it
is there some site that will explain all of the newfangled stats? FIP confounds me.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Sabermetrics Library – most of those articles are from fangraphs and lookout landing.
"No nuts, no glory"
FIP is actually pretty simple once you know what it is
FIP is just supposed to measure a pitcher’s performance by only looking at things within his control. That means strikeouts, walks, and home runs. Can’t remember the exact formula ever, you can probably google it pretty easily, but the equation is set to make it look similar to ERA.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I calculate my FIP's on MLB the show all the time
(HR) x 13 + (BB) x 3 – (K) x 2 = (y)
Divide (y) total of that by the total of innings pitched, and add 3.20 to that sum.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
Your "()" are way wrong on this I believe
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, math was not my subject.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
Start:
FIP stands for fielding independent pitching. Think about what that means and what they’re trying to get at, then dive into the formula.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes sir.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you the short explanation and a link to FanGraphs' longer explanations.
Simply it’s an estimator of how many wins above a scrub just barely good enough to belong at the MLB level a player produces at his position. He’s a little worse, but Arias is a decent example of a replacement-level second baseman; think of someone a little bit better than Arias.
So Ian Kinsler this season has been about 2.2 wins above replacement this year. So, put simply, the Rangers would be about two wins worse in the standings if someone a little better than Joaquin Arias had played those games. Also, two wins might be more than it sounds like, that’s roughly an average baseball player over a full season (roughly David Murphy).
It’s based on how many runs his results at the plate could be expected to produce in average situations, how much better than the average fielder he is in terms of runs (the FanGraphs version is UZR), then compared to the replacement-level at the position. The runs above replacement are then converted to wins based on how many runs it takes per win for teams that season, but the number is usually right around 10. So, roughly, 10 runs = 1 win.
I started writing this before other people posted their answers.
so it basically shows how valuable a particular player is (from an "impact the game" standpoint)
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Yup, exactly.
It is a good way of quickly, and in one number, assessing a player’s value contribution. I consider it the best starting point for comparing players, and you can dive deeper from there to futher separate them or find disagreeable points in the numbers.
That's so fucking solid.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
Can anyone give opinons on the 25 man post season roster?
I can’t see Harden being on it. So will they keep him around or just go ahead and release him?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I'd cut bait at this point
Run him through waivers, see if another team is willing to give us an org depth guy for him or something.
Scheppers is gonna need a 40 man roster spot if he’s gonna be up this year, after all.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
What do owe him at this point if no one bites?
He has contributed so little that you almost forget he was ever with the team.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
His full contract
You have to pay him the same whether you release him now or hold onto him all year.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden
I would bet he’s already been run through waivers and cleared.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Scheppers
I don’t think he will pitch in the majors this season.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch.
And he eats a 40 man spot.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
So I finally caved and watched Inception today.
I enjoyed it, although it’s not really the exceptional masterpiece it’s hyped as.
Was a lot different than what I was expecting.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
i didn't think it was that good.
i think i fell asleep hoping i’d dream of something better…
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Meh...
too much Cowboys talk shitting on Derek’s thread.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate football and basketball season.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
I love the NFL
But I only care about it on game days and in regular and postseason. But I will always choose a meaningful baseball game over an NFL game.
Basketball can suck it.
"Don't confuse the outcome that a decision produces with the intelligence that went into making that decision."--Tony LaRussa
I mean I get it...
most people here are sports fans, the Cowboys are in the same area as the Rangers, football is huge in this country, blah blah blah…
I’m just far too excited about this team right now to even think about football.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Heh...
I linked an article the other morning that was baseball related but also involved a major social issue. The thread went off on a tangent I didn’t intend it to, and the posts were deleted. That’s fine, no big deal.
But if you’re going to do that, shouldn’t you at least take the Cowboys talk to a football fanpost? Oh well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Why should only Cowboys talk be relegated to the fanposts?
While all other OT discussion is fine?
Btw, Cowboys talk was made into a fanpost, and people still have a problem with it.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 15, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
id like
the media to devote more attention to the cowboys, and im not reading up on them nearly as much as i used to but i was pretty jazzed for these last couple pre season games.
the best sports times of the year are when one sport is ending and another ones starting up. it’s why i love march/april time (march madness, nba playoffs around the corner, opening day and the nfl draft)
by studcrackers on Aug 16, 2010 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
Z is a handy tool
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Aug 15, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate I was a part of it. I usually loath that guy.
I’m that guy… ; (
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Heh. I get distracted off in to tangents and end up fighting over things I either don't want to argue over
or things that aren’t even part of my original point. I’m not a master debater.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm wrong, actually.
I hadn’t read the “Cosby Show” exchange yet. This whole thread doesn’t make me sad, after all.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It makes me sad.
And yet I’m weighing in.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't want to put this in the actual BABIP discussion,
but why do b-r and fangraphs have different BABIPs? B-R’s is consistently lower.
Is there no tracking of the number of batters a pitcher faces?
and then couldn’t you just subtract out the BB’s, K’s, and HR’s?
Yeah.
I think there’s been more TBF data added for historical data recently, maybe it’s time start calculating it the same as we would for batters.
True that.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, sorry, I should've expanded that in the earlier link.
I forget that the acronyms aren’t self-evident; that’s what happens when you read to many of these things each day.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
*too
And that’s what happens when you don’t sleep enough each day.
by Josh Garoon on Aug 16, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Tebow
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I really have no where to play him.
Uggla and Weeks have been giving me great production.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
heh
I can’t watch these on TV. They always show the stupid digitally “enhanced” versions which I don’t like. The originals are better without the added unnecessary fake looking CGI crap.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I have a question
that I’m sure someone more knowledgable than me can answer. The fielding component Fangraphs uses for WAR is UZR, right? So how do they calculate it for a player like Brooks Robinson, who (according to his page) had a career UZR of +294, if they don’t have the data to calculate RngR? I found a Hardball Times article that seems to touch on this, but I should be asleep already, so I was wondering if anybody had a quick and dirty version.
Fair enough.
By the way, it might just be me — but your avatar is showing up as a broken link or some such.
yep
I’m using Chrome right now, so it’s not browser specific either
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I had to do this to a friend of mine today
“see, man, there’s this cool site called “google” that can answer that as easily as I can"
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Josh's wOBAr appears to have jumped 8 points in two days.
That’s incredible to me. A wOBA jumping that much is one thing. But regressed wOBA jumping that much just seems astounding, and one more way of pointing out how insane his season is. Each day, the incredible things he’s doing become more believable.
It's amazing that he's managed to improve on his season numbers
Over the past few games.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Is anyone else's blockquote and bold buttons missing?
Evan_P_Grant Rest assured Derek Holland is Rangers starter for Wed. Unless the reason he’s on my flight to Tampa is to see his grandma.
by octoberty on Aug 16, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think so
hmm.
Bold is broken, blocks are not..
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