Michael Kirkman up?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 19, 2010 11:28 PM CDT
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PrintI'm seeing some Facebook posts that indicate that Michael Kirkman has been called up by the Rangers.
No indication who is going down, but if the Rangers have decided to give Rich Harden another shot, then it would seem likely that Derek Holland would be going down.
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Holland going back down would depress me a bit...
I’m grumpy tonight, and thinking about his lost season makes me grumpier.
Go Rice Owls!
It would depress me too
Kirkman’s numbers don’t look half bad. Can’t do much worse than Harden. It would seem like a no-brainer except for the rookie thing, but when a guy is obviously hurt or whatever Harden is, you have to make an exception.
by Black Francis on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have to say at this point
i would rather let Holland get some turns in the rotation in a pennent chase then having to watch Harden implode a couple more times.
Holland going down for Kirkman would be dumb.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Was just gonna post that.
I’m not sure Kirkman would give you any better than what Holland could.
I love jerking our good young pitching around.
Stupid.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
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by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 19, 2010 11:50 PM CDT reply actions
In other facebook news...
pickles might be more popular than Twilight
by michaelg956 on Aug 20, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
what's this facebook you speak of??
sounds fuckin stupid…
by CW13 on Aug 20, 2010 12:02 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Sigh I guess they don't like Dutch....
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
Sadly for Holland
he has gotten similar results to Harden as a Starter. The one good start either have had since coming back was Harden’s start versus the Angels.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Really?
Though Holland probably doesn’t have near as many starts this year as Harden, I can only remember Holland’s last start and the Minn game where he got injured as disappointments. I thought in the outings Holland was healthy in this year, he was probably as good or better than Hunter.
Overall
both players have given the team under 5 innings a start and an ERA in the low 5s, with decent K rates, but poor other peripherals (in Holland’s case poor HRs, in Hardens poor BB rates).
Holland really hasn’t been that good. If management wants to give starts to Holland, I’m fine with that, but if they want to give the starts to Harden instead, it is not exactly an outrage in my book. Neither has exactly seized the moment.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Holland : Harden
9.13 : 7.75 K/9
3.80 : 6.05 BB/9
2.28 : 1.84 HR/9
Wow, that’s really a pick your poison thing there.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Those are Holland's MLB numbers this year, right?
Not enough IP…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I realize that
But we are just looking at this point going forward.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
So about that new M. Knight movie...
I have a feeling that it is going to be incredibly terrible.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
He's never had a good movie imo
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
"dirkatron has his own evaluation metric: rapes above replacement." AJM
THE SIXTH SENSE!!
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 20, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Which was good the first time we saw it.
When it was called Jacob’s Ladder.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Signs was pretty solid
I said it
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
When was his last good movie? What really pisses me off is that some of his movies, if done right, had promise. The Last Airbender could have been a fantastic movie if his douchebagedness hadn’t touched it.
Airbender was pretty horrible
But I thought it was pretty obvious by his post production interviews he was taking one for the team there. Looked like a good case of too much studio input.
“Hey, the heroic actors you picked won’t crossover mainstream, let’s get a guy from Twilight”, “We love Dev Patel, let’s make him the villain!”
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by JukeboxJoe on Aug 20, 2010 6:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW, this could be something as simple as Harrison tweaking something getting warm today in the eighth.
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I feel terrible wishing him ill
but god, I hope that’s the case.
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by Conjunction on Aug 20, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
There has to be something wrong with Holland if he's the one going down.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
he gives up too many bombs.
he leaves the ball up.
his secondary stuff isn’t as sharp as it has been. especially out of the ’pen.
that being said, i still want holland over harden on this team
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it conceivable
that the Rangers are looking at him as a long-relief option? Feldman has been just as bad in relief as he has been as a starter this year. Maybe it’s time to send him down and get him to work on his sinker a bit. Probably not the most likely scenario, but I’d much prefer it to sending Dutch down again.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Aug 20, 2010 1:48 AM CDT reply actions
maybe we are working on a trade of Harden for Hawpe!!!!
that would be a positive outcome wouldn’t it?
Hawpe got released.
Anyone can sign him, come Monday.
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THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
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by WestTxAg06 on Aug 20, 2010 6:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if you do head up to SF for the labor day weekend show...
i would definitely stop at mitchell brothers on th ecorner of polk and o’farrell
by sam in so cal on Aug 20, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
actually he got DFA'd yesterday
after making it through waivers, the only reason that Colorado would waist time DFA’ing him is so they could trade him right?
by blueballlefty on Aug 20, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, just to reinforce the general consensus.
Sending Holland down in order to make room for Kirkman would be stupid. If somebody gets the axe it should be Harden.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
he needs a full year in the big leagues
in order to progress the way he needs to…..thats my opinion. His injuries really set him back this year.
I guess they
have to keep him up next year. It looks to me like they pulled him to the majors too early. He seems to hang meat at the most inopportune times, not sure if it is a command thing or what.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Lee, Lewis, Wilson, Hunter, Holland
with Scheppers, Beltre and maybe Harrison backing them up. If you can’t handle a high variance, promising young guy in the 5th spot, then you’re doing something wrong.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Most teams have an inconsistent 5th starter. Teams generally have a young guy or some retread in that spot. Give me a promising, high variance young guy over a 30 year-old replacement-level scrub any day.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
shit.
is that right? God, i thought he was older than that.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well,
they are giving a high upside pitcher with apparent injury issues the shot (Harden). If Harden can pitch like he did in the past, their is a huge plus for the postseason.
As far as Holland not hanging meat in the middle of the plate, I’m reasonably sure he can work on that in the minors as well as the majors.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Maybe
But he seemed to have mastered it at that level earlier in the year, no?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he mastered command at lower levels
I just think they make you pay more for mistakes in command at the major league level. It still doesn’t mean you can’t work on hitting the corners in the minors.
Whatever the Rangers do with Harden or Holland is fine by me. I can see the argument for going with the 28 year old pitcher who has had big success in previous years, I can see going with the kid who has stuff but limited command.
Whatever the Rangers do is fine by me.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
you're forgetting our $4.5 million dollar 5th starter
Scott Feldman, who as we have been told, we are very lucky to have…
Go Rice Owls!
I mean, it's a lot to pay for a long relief guy, but...
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
100% agree
he should have spent most of the year in AAA last year. I think he had only 2 starts for OKC last year.
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fuck. no shit.
fuckin’ tampa. fuckin’ baltimore. fuckin’ showalter. fuckin’ arias. fuckin’ boggs. fuckin’ guzman. fuckin’ molina. fuckin’ harden. fuckin’ vlad.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough to claim
Holland has done much to lock up the starters slot.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
It's the home runs
I know part of it is bad luck, but holy crap, c’mon! You can’t walk that many and give up that many home runs.
The strikeouts are so sexy though…I’m just not sure he’s going to learn how to avoid so many home runs at AAA.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he'll be a good pitcher eventually
I’d just as soon have had more option years into later ages.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Yeah, it seems like the gopher ball issue might be something he has to learn the hard way in the bigs
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Really?
After one start since coming back we’re going to say that?
How many chances is Harden going to get? He sucks and is done.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He may well be,
but let’s not pretend Holland did anything to take the job away from Harden.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Why does Holland...
have to take the job from Harden?
What the hell has Harden done to take the job from anyone?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
What the hell has Holland done?
Seriously, he has a 6 ERA in the majors.
I don’t know why anyone would think JD and Maddux are nuts with this decision. Seems as reasonable as anything else. Maybe if Holland had stepped up and done anything with his 150 IP of chances, it would be the no brainer some seem to think it is.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Because ERA is the be-all, end-all of quantification for pitchers, right?
We know who Harden is for this team and it’s not good. We’ve been through this exact process with him.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 20, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He had one damn start...
after coming back up and struck out 8 in 4+ innings. He got beat by one of the better hitters in the game on 3 separate AB’s and had some problems locating pitches.
How many times this year had Harden failed to even reach the 4th damn inning? I honestly don’t understand why anyone would think he deserves another shot at anything. Holland is still young with a ton of upside and has show glimpses of what he could be at the ML level. That’s what young pitchers do, they’re inconsistent and will struggle at times. The team needs to give him a chance to succeed and not jerk him around. He’s one of their top 3 pitching prospects and the team has a 7 game lead in the division for crying out loud.
Fuck this pisses me off. I’m in such a bad mood about this shit right now. Sometime I hate how much I care about every aspect of this damn team.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'd rather Kirkman start than Harden.
Harden dominating AAA batters for six innings is meaningless.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 20, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden has had 2 starts
one was good and one was bad. If you are going to quit on Harden for one bad start, I don’t see any reason not to bail on Holland for stinking it up on a start.
If it pisses you off, that’s kind of your problem. It isn’t unreasonable..
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Wrong...
Harden has had 15 starts. 2 of them were decent.
He hasn’t even been able to make the 5th inning in 5 of those starts.
What is unreasonable is to think that Harden isn’t done. He is. His performance has shown that. This team needs to accept that, cut their losses, and move on.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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