The Rangers 25 Man Playoff Roster
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT
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PrintAs of right now, assuming everyone is healthy, and without knowing the specific matchup, this is the 25 man playoff roster I'd like to see the Rangers go with in the first round:
Pitchers:
Cliff Lee
Colby Lewis
C.J. Wilson
Tommy Hunter
Neftali Feliz
Frank Francisco
Darren Oliver
Alexi Ogando
Darren O'Day
Matt Harrison
Michael Kirkman
Positional players:
Bengie Molina
Matt Treanor
Mitch Moreland
Ian Kinsler
Elvis Andrus
Michael Young
Andres Blanco
Jorge Cantu
Josh Hamilton
Julio Borbon
Nelson Cruz
David Murphy
Vlad Guerrero
Willy Taveras
Taylor Teagarden
I think most of this is pretty self-explanatory. If Rich Harden pitches like Rich Harden down the stretch, I'd bump Hunter from the post-season roster to make room for him. You don't have much of a need for a long reliever, so no real need for Scott Feldman...plus, both Harrison and Kirkman can give you multiple innings if a starter gets knocked out early. Having Kirkman in the pen helps you play matchups late in the game.
Willy Taveras is the guy that I'm guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
If Gentry were healthy, he'd be the obvious choice. And I could understand maybe taking Taylor Teagarden, Max Ramirez, or even Chris Davis instead, the first two to give you a righty bat and 3rd catcher, the last as a defensive replacement at first base late in games.
But in a playoff series, I think Taveras makes the most sense...I think a pinch runner/defensive replacement is going to have more value than a third catcher, a defensive first baseman, or a second utility infielder.
UPDATE -- Looking at the schedule, there would be four days off between Game 1 and Game 4, and between Game 2 and Game 5, so you wouldn't need a 4th starter in the ALDS.
Given that, I would take Hunter off the roster, and replace him with Taylor Teagarden.
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I like Kirkman up there
Showed me a lot last nite when he buzzed thru the top of the Twins lineup in a playoff type situation. Too bad about TT though. One could definitely make a case for him.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Aug 26, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
loving some Kirkman
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
loving some Kirkman
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
who is this Kirkman fella?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
in that case,
loving some Kirkman
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirkman
is the object of my affection
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--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Aug 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
loving some Kirkman
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I'm telling your old man!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
loving some Kirkman
wait, I said that already!
by kevinkinsler on Aug 26, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
pearing me some Kirkman
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I used to love Kirkman
but he’s so overrated now
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to delete this entire subthread...
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why I love LSB.
One of the last Joe Nieuwendyk supporters in Dallas....
Defending Big D - Dallas Stars news & analysis; SB Nation Dallas-Fort Worth
by Brandon Worley on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so sorry.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If Teagarden continues to play well, I'd take him Molina or Treanor.
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
*instead of
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Aug 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
bite your tongue!
he’s my new Arias…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
the mantis
has already killed the cock-a-roach
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules
by AndrusImpersonator on Aug 26, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
serious question,
do mantises (manti?) kill cockraoches?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
if Matt Mantei is now an exterminator after his career ended.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i got a kick out of that
guy was awesome in some of the old school video game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly
He was the worst pitcher in the game in one of the old Ken Griffey games for the 64.
Rated like an 8 in velocity 1 in control and 1 in stamina.
interesting.
my next serious question is this:
what is the plural of mantis?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
plural of mantis = wins.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is pretty disturbing.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This video would suggest that they do.
by Mike the Grate on Aug 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
PREYING MANTIS NOT ONLY VENGEFUL
BUT ALSO FRIENDLY
Fuck Arias
by hornedfrogs45 on Aug 26, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Cockroaches are actually closely related to the mantis
But sometimes you have to choke out that drunk uncle at the family reunion.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 12:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Especially when he makes a move on your wife and/or daughter.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
oooh!
I was at a buddy’s wedding, he’s from Philly – said watch out for his uncle when he drinks. We’re at the reception after, a bit of drinking had ensued, and all of a sudden out of the corner of my eye, the bride’s dress drops to the ground and there, behind her, with a guilty hand still in the air and the other hand busy with a beverage, was said uncle.
He had snuck up behind her and unzipped and tried to slip! WOAH! So this group of about 5 guys comes running up and grabs him and drags him out and throws him face-first into the concrete.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD BE KIDDING
YOU SHOULD BE BANNED!!(sarcasm)
i will be very interested to see what happens w/ kirkman next year
i assume they move him back to the rotation…
at least there is no worry about him being available in the rule 5 draft now
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
He was added to the 40 man roster last year
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
well looks like iscrewed that one up
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
iScrewed?
is that the iPhone app for online sexing?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
it could be...
i bet we could make millions!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
50/50 split?
I’m in.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
done
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
What kind of roster manipulating
would be required to get Tavaras on the team? If they go with Murphy in the starting lineup, they would really need a LH bench bat with some pop. Davis and Tavaras are a couple of players to watch in Sept.
First guess is they DFA Boggs
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Open a 40 spot for him
We have one open right now due to Arias being DFA’d but McCarthy will need a spot as well since his rehab stint is up middle of September. You could give it to Tavares right now and then possibly waive Guzman if hes not going to be on your postseason roster or DFA a guy like Boggs who is out of options after this year anyway
http://www.lonestarball.com/2010/5/24/1485134/monday-morning-rangers-stuff#38241972
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
Gamesmanship
I just want to make sure I understand, so someone verify this:
Wouldn’t it be in the Rangers’ best interest to keep Kinsler, Cruz on the DL until September 1st?
Thus, they could maximize the number of players that could potentially be placed on the playoff roster?
They could then allow Kirkman, Cora, Cantu, etc., to pseudo-try out for the playoff rosters, and hold off on the final decision until late September.
AKA BuckyB
When Boggs is getting optioned when Cruz comes back
So none of those guys are in danger of not being on the roster on August 31st
Plus we have multiple guys on the 60 day DL which gives us wiggle room
I flat don't trust Harden
but I’m torn about him. I want him to do well because it helps the team but that means he could make the post-season roster…he’s just been so unreliable…even during that no-hit bid, I just looked at him like a powderkeg with a fuse that goes out. Maybe everything will be ok and it won’t explode….maybe it does explode and havoc ensues…
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Aug 26, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
he could look amazing coming out of the 'pen
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's amazing - it didn't even occur to me he wasn't on the list
Guess that’s an indication on the impression he’s made, at least for me.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I also would really
like to see Taveras added, but I’ve always been a sucker for the really really fast guy
LOL at Wily Taveras...I thought that was AJM's go-to punchline and that he'd never
want him here in the regular season muchless post-season. No F’ing way I have Judy & Wily on the same team.
I’d find a way for Teagarden to be on the playoff roster. CJ & TT have something going on…1.51 ERA together. Treanor is second best at 3.10, Max is 3.45 and Fat Fuck is at 4.95.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
5 games / 20 IPs
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wilsocj01&year=2010&t=p
Their lack of chemistry last night was undeniable and the Great Nadel kept talking about it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
20 innings!
Sample sizes are fun!
Rangers are 2-0 in the Alex Cora era. ALEX CORA FOR MVP.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
when you are a player on a contending team,
you have a better chance to win the MVP.
it’s hard to disagree with you here.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
well how many
starts do you need? I’m guessing that is 3 starts, how long does it take to know if you have chemistry with somebody
by blueballlefty on Aug 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't had a real signifigant amount of starts with any of them to garner any real info from them
And aside from that, the times that Teag has been up- since Treanor was DL’d in late July and early season- also where the times when Ceej was pitching really, really well.
Egg? Chicken? I dunno.
If Teag was to get a postseason spot, I’d want it to be because he’s better at baseball than Treanor, not because Ceej was good in nine or ten games that Teag caught him in.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
If it comes down to choosing between Wily, Judy or Fruit Loops Teagarden...
I’m going with Fruit Loops.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Putting Wily & Judy on the same team in the post-season
doesn’t strike me as genius.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right
You need three catchers more than you need a starting CF, or a pinch runner.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't realize you were stuck on either Judy or Wily
as a starting CF in the post-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
you thinking Hambone starts in center
and murphy in left then?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Borbon is likely to be starting in CF
If you have a Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz outfield, then you still need a backup CF.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you think that's likely...
when Wash has put Borbon at the end of the bench for the better part of the last month?
The only reason he’s getting some time now is because Cruz is hurt. Murphy started 20 straight games before last night.
I’d rather have Borbon and his defense in CF, but Wash won’t do it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't think there is any question
Wash is making the right call, given Borbon’s lack of a bat, and Murphy’s hot streak.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Right now I agree...
but I don’t know how long Murphy will stay hot and I like an OF defense much more with Hamilton/Borbon/Cruz.
As I said above that doesn’t matter though. Wash will go with Murphy and Borbon will be on the bench. There’s no reason to have Taveras on the playoff roster.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
See, there's a different argument between what you'd like to happen and what you think will happen.
I’m not entirely certain Judy will be start in the post season, and I might bet against it if he doesn’t hit better between now and then. But in this topic, I thought whether he would or would not is irrelevant because I sure as hell don’t want it.
I would really like having him as a defensive replacement.
But, even with the lower run environment of the playoffs, give me the Murphy-Hamilton-Cruz outfield. The gain in offense is greater than the loss in defense.
You know...
Wash won’t start Borbon in CF during the playoffs.
He has shown he trusts Murphy more, and Murphy has performed better the last month or so.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
i think i trust Murphy more than I trust Borbon.
But, I do like Borbon’s speed on the bench.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Except
he is such a terrible baserunner, all you can use him for is a defensive replacement, not a pinch runner.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
yeah, you're definitely right.
i wish he could steal a fucking base worth a shit.
his value would be so much more higher if he could baserun
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
if he could steal a base and get on base to start with he’d have a chance of cracking the lineup.
I’m not surprised he isn’t a fave of Wash’s, he really doesn’t appear to be a very smart ballplayer.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
racis...
nah. just a realist.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh....and CJ also had a 1.59 ERA with Fruit Loops in
22 IPs in 2009.
So….uh, what’s that 1.54 ERA or somesuch in more than 60 IPs with one catcher?
And Cahill is right about Judy….He’s a dumbass, the baserunning equivalent to a $ 100 million airport with a $ 100 control tower.
Need recent examples?
Stopped running while stealing 2B because he thought the hitter fouled off the pitch. There was a runner on on 3B with two outs when this happened.
It’s tough enough to get the stupid sonofabitch on base (.500 OPS since AS Break) but he poked a single on Sunday and was immediately picked off.
Hit’s a ball to the gap with Spider on 1B and puts his head down and never looks up and when he comes around 2B, finally notices that Spider has been stopped at 3B. The infielder bobbled the ball on the relay throw or Judy would have been tossed.
He’s a dumbass and nobody want on your team in the post-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Just had to force the ".500 OPS since AS Break" in there, eh?
Considering only one part of that stat has anything to do with how often a person gets on base.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
Is a CERA conversation REALLY about to break out here????
Really???
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
This is with one pitcher, bking.
Lots of pitchers in the past had catchers they’ve preferred to work with and CJ does well with Fruit Loops.
When you factor in how terrible Fat Fuck Molina has been as a hitter and what a terrible baserunner he’s been and Treanor’s fragility…I’m gonna go with a third catcher over somebody like Judy Borbon.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I thought that asshole was going to take 40 bags this year.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
3 catchers is stupid
actually…theres stupid, then theres josey wales stupid.
its like bigsteve math
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't the 86 or 87
Rangers carry 4 catchers from start to finish…..
Petralli, Stanley, Darrell Porter, and Orlando Mercado (current Angels BP coach).
Can anyone confirm?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i cannot confirm.
just wanted you to know that.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you..
..for your courage
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yea
86
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
But I was wrong on one of them...
…Stanley was most likely a September call up. Slaught was the main guy that year.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Stanley got there in late July.
I think I saw his debut…late July ’86 v the MF Yankees.
Can’t remember who won but Mike Pagilarulo hit a 3-run tater…you could look it up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
why do we need to look it up
when you have already done so for us
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I did look it up afterwards and I was wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You also have to realize just how slow Fat Fuck is
and if he ever does get on base in the late innings, you have to aggressively run for his morbidly obese ass. That leaves you one catcher (Treanor) and you’re F’d if he gets hurt (and he has been very fragile the last few years).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If he gets hurt, you add Teag to the playoff roster
And just cross your fingers and hope Blanco doesn’t embarrass you for an inning or two.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
is blanco the emergency C?
maybe thats one more reason they add davis? lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess.
I remember him warming up in catcher’s gear back around the trade deadline, or the day they were DL’ing Treanor, or somesuch.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
I'm with you on leaving Molina off the roster, but no way Wash goes for it
They say his game preparation skills are incredible, and I don’t understand why the Rangers can’t utilize these skills while keeping him off the field.
He can be the catcher’s coach or some other arbitrary label
AKA BuckyB
Is he slow enough to clog the basepaths?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
wait?
why Fruit Loops?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
well, I know why Fruit Loops (their delicious, obviously),
but why Fruit Loops?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
BP called Teagarden a potential
“Mickey Tettleton with defensive chops” or somesuch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
when was that said?
stats for thsoe who wondered:
tettleton career:
.241 BA, .369 OBP, .449 SLG, 121 OPS+ (5700 PA)
162 game average: (627 PA)
27 HR, .241/.369/.449 + .818 OPS
teagarden 162 game avg:
.219/.286/.442 – 27 HR in 564 PA
if he could hit .240 id be happy…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably the BP
reviewing 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
doubt it.
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by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
if the man could hit higher than fucking .219 yea
id agree
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be more excited about the .369 OBP.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
yea
hes not going to ever walk enough to do that imho
tettleton career BB% – 16.5%
career K% – 27.8%
career ISO: .208
tegarden career BB% – 7.7%
career K% – 40.5% (!!!)
career ISO: .223
for comparison:
chris davis career BB% – 6.5% (9.7% in 2010)
career k% – 34.3% (31.7% in 2010)
career ISO: .211
mark reynolds career BB% – 11.1%
career K% – 38.4%
career ISO: .231
for comparison in 2010 the ISO leader in baseball is .339 (bautista) followed by miggy cabrera (.299), luke scott (.286), adam dunn (.282) and hamilton (.279)
granted there is a HUGE diff in AB, but for comparison chase utley’s career ISO is also .223, adrian gonzalez is .225, gary sheffield is .222, dan uggla is .225 —
(btw if your not sure what makes up ISO here is the info per BP: Isolated Power (ISO) is a measure of a hitter’s raw power, in terms of extra bases per AB. Its formula is ISO = (2B + (3B*2) + (HR*3)) / AB )
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, could you put some more numbers, letters,
parentheses and forumulas in your posts?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i could probably if i tried
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, please dont back up your opinions with facts.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's so much more fun to talk out of your ass like Josey
Toki: Clowns are, statistically, the most hated of all creatures.
Skwisgaar: Statisticallies or not, but, uh, just don'ts likes this guy.
Fruit Loops?
You’ve stretched for some fucking stupid nicknames before but this one tops the list.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
It's not a negative connotation, Cowboy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not what I was implying
You could call him “Handsome Guy That Always Buys Drinks For His Friends And Never Cockblocks” and it would still be a stupid, arbitrary nickname. Also that would piss Mike Olt off. Ahhh, who am I kidding? No it wouldn’t.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
by WyoRanger on Aug 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some jerks like pretending they know about baseball
so they make up stupid nicknames and say them over and over and over and over. You know, generic troll stuff.
The CJ/TT angle is interesting
There is no way a uninjured Molina is left off the postseason roster however
I don't care about CJ's TT angle
that sounds personal
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I think Borbon...
will be the pinch runner/defensive replacement.
The Rangers OF in the playoffs will be Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz.
I’d also rather bump Harrison or Kirkman if Harden shocks me and continues to pitch like he did in his last start. I don’t see Hunter being left off of the playoff roster.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
What do you do with Hunter, though, if he isn't in the rotation?
I don’t see much point in having him in the bullpen.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No freaking way I keep Harden on the post-season roster.
Yes, he has the stuff to be dominant but we rarely see it.
One of the great tragedies in Ranger history is that Bobby Witt was the starter (Game 4 ’96 v MF Yankees) in one of the most important games in franchise history.
Big Dick Harden = Bobby Witt.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
We get it.
You think Big Dick is the second coming of Witt. We understand. You don’t have to remind us every time you talk about Harden.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not remind us every time??`
Have you met our Mr Wales????
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Game 4 ’96
What would you have done, started Burkett and Hill each on three days rest, or started Pavlik in Game 4?
It’s not like Oates was overflowing with good options.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 26, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not criticizing Oates at all...
I’ve always lamented the fact that one of our most important games in the history of the franchise was started by Bobby Witt.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
or they could have just gotten a closer
that could close a fucking game and it wouldn’t have been an issue.
I hate Mike Henneman...
…so fucking much.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
God forbid, another starter gets shelled in a short outing
You’ll have him as another option over Harrison to eat some innings. But that’s it. Unless he’s in the rotation, he’s not of any real use.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 12:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I do...
if Harden makes the roster and is your 4th starter you have to have another guy ready to basically start behind him in case he implodes. Hunter is that guy. I think he’s one of the 10 or 11 best pitchers on this team and should be on the playoff roster.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You can't afford to keep a guy on the roster...
…just to shadow Harden.
If you are that afraid that Harden can’t go 3 innings, you don’t put Harden on the playoff roster.
Your playoff roster isn’t your 10 or 11 best pitchers, anyway. It is the 10 or 11 pitchers who are going to have the most utility in a short series.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Then you don't put Harden on the roster...
I don’t see how you can trust him and put him on the roster over Hunter after their performances this year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Hunter 2010 ~= Feldman 2009
Lots and lots of unsustainable luck.
I don’t think I’d carry either on the playoff roster as neither is really power-arm reliever material.
Nothing wrong
with hanging onto the guy on a hot streak, as long as they don’t lock him down to a long term contract.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Hunter = luck (although I don't completely agree with that)...
and Harden = suck.
I’ll take luck over suck in this case.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
well, with Harden you're also hoping to get lucky
it is just more like playing roulette than playing blackjack. You’re either going to win big or lose; there is no in between.
If by some chance you could look at the matchups, and it looked like you’d need Harden or Hunter in a Game 4 against the Yankees versus Sabathia, I’d almost go with Harden because he is more likely to completely shut down a team, and the Rangers are essentially going to need close to a shutout to win that game. But Hunter is more likely than Harden to hold a team to 3-4 runs, and I trust the Rangers offense against any pitcher not named Sabathia to have a decent shot of winning a game where the starter goes 7 innings with 3 runs allowed.
Go Rice Owls!
Last time I checked...
they play this year’s post-season in 2010.
Roll with BGH over Harden.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
hard to disagree here.
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by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
What you’ve seen lately is what you’re more likely to get from Hunter going forward than when he went 8-0 to start the season.
We’re talking about winning 3 games out of 5, not building a team for a season. Harden gives you a better chance, provided he can replicate even somewhat his latest performance, than Hunter does to win that one game you entrust to him in a playoff series.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
Harden has 3 good starts out of 16.
One of them came against Oakland in May and another came at dusk in Anaheim (when it is notoriously difficult to hit).
Harden was effectively wild v the Twins but that’s nothing I’d hang my hat on as being dependable in the future.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
what you are getting out of Hunter in Aug is probably more what he will do longterm. 2-1 with a 4.87 ERA. Still might be better than what you get out of Harden.
I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing Harden putting on a strong run in September, but if he doesn’t, there are worse options for a back of the rotation guy than Hunter.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Sure...
harden gives you a 10% chance of getting taht shutdown performance.
He also gives you a 90% chance of the game being over after 4 innings.
No thanks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
The Yankees and Rays
would walk all day versus Harden. No way he can succeed against them.
I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.
We'll have to wait and see
Harden truly has better stuff than Hunter if he’s healthy. Just gotta see how Sept goes.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Here's the thing, though.
Harden’s stuff just isn’t that “good” anymore. People keep talking about Harden’s upside and his stuff but that stuff hasn’t made an appearance all year (including in his latest performance). His swinging strike rate this year is half—HALF—that of his career line. His stuff just isn’t that much different than Hunter’s at this point in his career.
I don't agree
I put him on my fantasy team early this year because I saw his potential for strikeouts. But his problem is wild out of the strike zone, and then wild in the strike zone. If you have a sinker that hangs up belt high, or a change up or whatever Harden’s second pitch is, they jump all over that meatball.
So, he has a few starts where he walks too many, but doesn’t make a bad mistake, that may be tolerable. But all too often he has walked a bunch, struck out several, and given up the long ball. That makes him useless. So he has three or more starts to show where he is and if he will be on the roster.
I'm glad you put him on your fantasy team
But that doesn’t change the fact that his swinging strike rate this year is pedestrian and well below his career average. It doesn’t change the fact that his avg FB velo is down 1.5mph. This is before you even talk about his ridiculous walk rate.
Hunter has got you here...
While Hunter has faltered recently, Harden has pretty much been a bust all year. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I just think that having a player that has been around the team the entire year, pitched in some really huge games at several points in the season, and has been a pretty substantial part to why the Rangers are in the position they’re in, I’d rather lose with that person than to go try to catch lightning in a bottle.
I think it’d be a pretty big slap in the face to Tommy to leave him off. Unless he just absolutely craters down the stretch, he certainly deserves the spot over Harden, no question…
Harden or Hunter would not pitch in a deciding game anyway
They would be slated to start game 4. If we were up 2-1 then one of them pitches and we give Lee an extra day in case we lose and need to go to game 5.
If we are down 2-1 and facing elimination we would throw Lee out there and get to game 5 and then either use CJ or Colby.
So it really doesn’t matter which one you have on the roster because neither of them will likely be put in a situation where they could possibly lose the series for us.
I doubt the Rangers...
…would use Lee and either CJ or Colby on 3 days rest.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they would use Lee
in a must-win game on short rest.
I really doubt they’d use CJ, not with the number of pitches he typically throws in a game.
Colby maybe; but it would very much depend on how heavily used he was in the last game.
But Hunter is probably better than Colby on short rest; and so it’d have to be a pretty scary matchup for the Rangers to go with Lewis. Lots of pitchers don’t do well on short-rest, no need to take that risk with a decent #4 option, which Hunter is.
Go Rice Owls!
Game 5 is also a must win game
The chances of winning with Hunter or whomever going on normal rest and Cliff Lee going on normal rest are going to be better than with Lee and either C.J. or Colby both going on short rest, which none of those guys have done this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
good point on both being must-win games
but I’m not sure the Rangers would do that. Especially if Lee had one of his incredibly efficient outings in game 1.
It may not be necessary – sometimes the playoffs are so weirdly scheduled that the Rangers may luck out and get that fluke series where there is an offday between game 1 and 2, and between 2 and 3. That would allow Lee to start game 1 and 4 on normal rest.
Go Rice Owls!
So if the Rangers are down 2-1 going into game 4
And trotted Hunter out there and left Lee on the bench you would be ok if it means they get bounced from the playoffs?
Once you are there you have to give yourself every opportunity to win the series. If that means you are facing elimination in game 4 and Lee, a bonafide ace who you spent a pretty big price to acquire midseason, is available even on short rest you go with him over Tommy Hunter fully rested.
Worry about game 5 if you get there
Yes, I would
It is better than the alternative.
Starting two guys on short rest doesn’t give you a better chance of winning the series.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Not winning game 4 in that situation pretty much assures you that you won't win the series.
You have to put yourself in the best position to win game 4 and then worry about game 5 later. Starting Lee on short rest gives you a better chance to win than Hunter fully rested.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
x
You have to put yourself in the best position to win game 4 and then worry about game 5 later.
That makes no sense. You are acting like not starting Cliff Lee on short rest in game 4 is a guaranteed loss.
You have to win both games. Whatever gives you the best chance of winning both games is what you need to do.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren't the post-season schedules, especially the
first round, filled with off-days?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Oftentimes
What does that have to do with whether you are better off starting Lee and C.J. or Colby on short rest rather than Hunter and Lee on regular rest, though?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
2009
ALDS1: W F SU
ALDS2: TH F SU
2008
ALDS1: W F SU M
ALDS2: TH F SU M
In 2008 LAA and Boston (ALDS1) started Lester and Lackey in gms 1 & 4.
Argument settled then, right?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
how does that make no sense?
You have to make sure that there is even going to be a game 5 and the only way to do that is to win game 4. What good does it do to have Lee fully rested for game 5 if it never even gets played?
Not starting Lee on short rest isn’t a guaranteed loss in game 4, but it more than likely gives you a better chance to win that game.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not convinced...
…that the chances of winning with Lee on short rest in game 4 are markedly better than with Hunter on regular rest in game 4.
However, I think the chances of winning with Lee on regular rest in game 5 are markedly better than the chances of winning with Colby or C.J. on short rest in game 5.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I guess there's a difference of opinion then
because I would rather have Lee on short rest starting a possible elimination game than Hunter fully rested. I think if you’re facing elimination it’s more important to worry about game 5 once you get there, rather than saving a guy to start a game that may not get played.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
But why?
Is it worth (to pull out arbitrary figures) reducing your chances of winning game 5 by 20% to increase your chances of winning game 4 by 10%?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think those numbers are very accurate.
But yes, I do think that it is worth it to increase your chances of even getting to play a game 5.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That reflects a lack of understanding of game theory
You are advocating doing something that makes it less likely, not more likely, that you are going to win the series.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you have to win game 4 to win the series anyways?
You’re thinking too far ahead. If we’re facing elimination in game 4, why would you even worry about your chances of winning or losing game 5?
Winning game 4 so that there is even an opportunity to play a game 5 is the most important thing. If you are able to increase your chances of winning game 4 then you have to do it.
Do you really think that it’s worth it to increase your chances of losing an elimination game, just to have increased odds of winning a game that is not guaranteed to be played?
Even a 20-30% chance of winning game 5 is better than 0%.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to win both games to win the series
They are of equal importance. So the only thing that matters is the overall chances of winning both games. There’s no reason to focus on Game 4.
No they aren't equally important
They only are equally important if you win game 4 otherwise game 5 becomes irrelevant.
but if you win game 4 and lose game 5
game 4 becomes irrelevant.
you have to win both games.
you can only start Lee! in one of them
If we had a bomb, Pantera would hang out with us.
But they're not of equal importance.
Game 4 is more important because you have to win it to even have a chance to play a 5th game.
If a 5th game was somehow guaranteed, then yes, they would be equally important.
by michael bluth on Aug 26, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The point is to win the series.
Therefore you’d take a 30% chance to win Game 4 and a 40% chance to win Game 5 over a 50% chance to win Game 4 and a 20% chance to win Game 5.
There is no reason to increase your odds of winning Game 4 if it lowers your overall odds of winning both games.
Ugh
Yes you do.
Excuse the military analogy here but if you get ambushed and are getting attacked you don’t worry about conserving ammo at first. Once you hold off the initial attack then you start worrying about that stuff but initially you do everything you can to survive.
So down 2-1 you don’t hold anything back for game 5 you give it your best shot in game 4 regardless of what it does to your game 5 odds. After surviving game 4 then you look to game 4 with whats left over and formulate a plan of attack to win the battle
remind me never to get in a fox hole with you...
If you know you’re going to be attacked twice, and that you have to win both times to survive, then you’re a moron for not conserving some ammo for the second battle.
Go Rice Owls!
And btw...
..an ambush is not the correct analogy. The correct analogy would be planning for two battles ahead of time. You know you have two battles to fight and you have to survive both.
So….you’re really saying that you should sell out to survive the first battle, even if it means lower your overall odds of surviving both? No, obviously not. You make a plan that gives you the best chance of surviving both.
You make a plan to survive the war because you don't know how many battles its going to be
War = 7 game series
Ambush = elimination game
Live to fight another fight. Dying with rounds in the chamber does you no good.
All I know is this. If we went into game 4 of a series down 2-1 facing elimination and pitched Tommy Hunter, got beat, and then in postgame comments from players and coaches found out Cliff Lee was available this place would go fucking ballistic. Nobody would come on here defending Wash saying he was looking out for the best interest of the series or he was looking long term. People would come on here bitching because we gave away Smoak and Beavan so we could get one of the best pitchers in baseball and sit him on the bench in the most critical game of the season when he was able and ready to pitch.
sorry, but you're wrong
/Win (P5) - Win
Win (P4)<
/ \Loss (1-P5) -- Go Home
G4<
\ Loss (1-P4) -- Go Home
Odds of moving on: P4*P5
Odds of not going on: (1-P4)+P4*(1-P5) = 1-P4*P5
In those equations, P4 and P5 count equally.
Go Rice Owls!
game theory involves multiple parties making decisions
this doesn’t have any such interaction. This is just very simple probability analysis.
Maybe it is a bit semantic, but I wouldn’t call this discussion game theory unless we are bringing the other manager’s comparable decisions into the equation as well.
Go Rice Owls!
to apply game theory though
don’t you need to know the actions (or expected actions) of the opposing manager?
If Girardi is throwing Burnett in Game 4 and CC in Game 5, then your approach certainly makes sense.
Flip Girardi’s order and perhaps Lee in Game 4 and Colby or CJ on 3 days rest is a better option.
Hard to really tell, because we don’t know how CJ or Colby historically react to going on 3 days rest, and I’m not familiar with the historical impact of that move on a pitcher.
by elvis1isking on Aug 26, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Game theory isn't the appropriate term
but Adam’s point is legitimate. The odds of moving on when down 2-1 are the (ProbWinG4) X (ProbWinG5). Now, only in very few cases does raising G4 if you lower G5 doesn’t make sense. Really, it comes down to “can you raise G4 by more than you drop G5?” (or, in other cases, if G4=0 otherwise, then any improvement is necessary – but no one is suggesting pitching Feldman in G4)
I would make the argument that short-Lee/Hunter gives a higher probability than Hunter/Lee IFF (if and only if) that Game 4 is in a hostile environment.
Go Rice Owls!
I agree
which is why I asked about “applying game theory.”
And I agree with Adam’s take for the most part, though I don’t think the decision can be made totally in a vacuum (as you also point out).
by elvis1isking on Aug 26, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
if game 5 is in Texas
meaning more $$$$’s
Just kidding – kind of.
But seriously, does road/home matter here? Doesn’t Lee in Yankee Stadium on short rest sound better than Hunter in Yankee Stadium on full rest?
Go Rice Owls!
I'm not focusing on one game
I’m focusing on what gives you the best chance of advancing in the series.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
of course
I agree that maximizing series win probability is what we care about.
But do you think road/home matters? Would you prefer to have Hunter start Game 4 on the road in NY or Lee on short rest? Yes, ballpark neutral, Hunter>short-Lee. But in NY in front of a playoff crowd in an elimination game?
In game 5, you can pitch Hunter over Lewis-short or Wilson-short if you want. I’d easily choose Hunter over either of them short, especially at home.
Go Rice Owls!
what if
there was an off day after games 2 and 4?
That would mean, say
Lee, Lewis, OFF, Wilson, X1, OFF, X2
Seems like the options here are
A: X1: Lee (short rest), X2: Lewis (regular rest)
B: X1: Hunter (regular reset), X2: Lee (regular rest)
Your worst case scenario, which I agree is awful is
C: X1: Lee (short rest), X2: Lewis (short rest); but this is unnecessary if there is an 4-5 off day
Go Rice Owls!
That scenario
If there’s an off day between games 4 and 5, I think it’s an easy call to short rest Lee in Game 4 and pitch Lewis in Game 5.
Any loss of effective Lee has by going on short rest wouldn’t be nearly as significant as the difference Lewis and Hunter.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 26, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Playoff starters
I think Lee would be about as effective pitching in three days rest as four, given the type of pitcher he is.
So then the question becomes do you have a better chance of winning a game Hunter is pitching on something like 9 days rest (in Game 4), or a game where you ask Lewis and Wilson to combine to give you about 6 innings, both pitching on some level of short rest (Game 5).
by Darrell McKown on Aug 26, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
What would it take from Harden's next two starts to win your confidence?
I could go with him over Tommy, but the BB totals have to come down.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 12:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
two no-no's
duh
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by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess I missed something...
What are we doing with Cora?
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by Suicide Prince on Aug 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Waiting for Ian to get back.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
So we are going to drop him after all he has done for us???
Pretty sure that is bullcrap…
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by Suicide Prince on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
cora?
rosters expand in sept btw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Was trying out some of that sarcasm stuff that is doled out on a frequent basis here.
Guess I fail at sarcasm.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by Suicide Prince on Aug 26, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We wanted to get a...
legitimate MVP candidate on this team.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
On a side note...
how incredible is it that we even get to discuss the playoff roster?
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Aug 26, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
best feeling I have ever had as a ranger fan.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell no to Harden on the playoff roster...
He’s WAY to up and down and I don’t trust him any more than I can throw him. You can’t have that shit, especially for a starting pitcher, when you’re literally down in the nitty gritty.
Happy birthday to Kenny. Happy birthday to you.
disagree
I think Chris Davis makes more sense to me than Taveras.
I also will scream if somehow Harden ends up on the 25 man roster in place of Tommy Hunter.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Can't see Davis
could see a 3rd catcher like Teagarden though.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
chris davis is a joke.
it hurts to say that. but he sucks.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
read: as a DEFENSIVE REPLACEMENT
he certainly does NOT suck in that role
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
from AJM's post:
If Gentry were healthy, he’d be the obvious choice. And I could understand maybe taking Taylor Teagarden, Max Ramirez, or even Chris Davis instead, the first two to give you a righty bat and 3rd catcher, the last as a defensive replacement at first base late in games.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
well by all means
take it up with the Bossman
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That's because
it is stupid.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
A thousand times no on Rich Harden
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Even though BGH pitches for contact, I still think Harden has much more potential for disaster
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 12:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
harden has a lot more potential to pull a don larson too lol
waywayway better stuff…hence the “if he does well down the strech” part
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that roster
though it would take a considerable effort for Harden to surpass Hunter.
Assuming you could change pitchers between the ALDS and ALCS, I would probably prefer Feldman over either of them, since he’s probably preferable out of the bullpen, and depending on how the schedule is laid out, you won’t need a 4th starter that series.
Go Rice Owls!
If you don't need a fourth starter anyway, why do you take Hunter at all?
He’s not a power arm that can come out of the bullpen and get strikeouts for you and neither is Feldman.
Harden is.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
when was the last time Harden came out of the bullpen?
I wouldn’t want to figure out how to do that in a playoff game.
Go Rice Owls!
Same question for Hunter.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
Good 4th OF
for the Fort Worth Cats
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only
one that didn’t realize that Dickie Joe Thon was drafted in the fifth round by the Blow Jays this year?
I was annoyed
because he was committed to Rice, but the Jays money-whipped him with 1st or 2nd round dollars to sign.
Go Rice Owls!
OT - re: last night's game.
Did they do a Blue Light Special like they did on Tuesday and if so, what was the special and what inning was it in?
I only ask, b/c we’re going tonight, and if the special from last night landed in the 5th like on Tuesday, we want to be ahead of the curve.
I think there was a rumor that they did a BL special and it was $4 beers. Any confirmation on this?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Aug 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
6th inning
$4 beers.
Lots of people in the aisles when they announced that.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't believe I gave up my tickets.
oh well, maybe we’ll luck out again tonight.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Aug 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually think the ballpark started shaking a little
from all of the stampeding fans after the $4 beers were announced. You would have thought they said the beer was free for that inning.
Happy birthday to Kenny. Happy birthday to you.
It was hysterically funny.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Is there somebody we can follow on Twitter that will announce the BLS beforehand?
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
send a message to john blake (hes ont witter)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
The one time I had first row seats. I turned to get up and it was mass exodus, so I decided to pass. It was tough especially since it was the 16oz drafts.
hell
Tuesday night was brutal when they did $1 hot dogs during the 5th. The lines went all the way around in the the 200 sections.
I’m interested to see what kind of turnout it’ll be tonight. 20,000 on Tuesday, didn’t hear the # last night but I’m sure it was big with $1 dogs, but tonight it might be back down in the mid 20s.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Aug 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
49
home bullpen. It was pretty cool. Except for the basher behind me. As soon as they announced the line-ups he began going on and on about how “moreland can’t even play first, what makes them think he can do any better in the outfield”. It went through the roof on the ball off the wall.
iw as wondering how it worked out for you
i loved sitting there a couple of years ago
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
the seats were really cool.
obviously got to see a lot of bullpen action. The most amazing being Ogando, seeing that gas so close is ridiculous.
I like the list
I wish we could’ve had a shot at Cody Ross, he would’ve been a hell of a 4th OFer/defensive replacement. RHB, doesn’t embarrass himself at the plate, good defense.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
And if we get in a series with the MF Yankees or Rays,
you gotta believe you’re going to see lots of CC, Pettitte and/or DPrice.
You don’t have room for somebody like Borbon.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
That's a stupid statement
You don’t leave Borbon off the roster so you can carry 3 catchers and Brandon Boggs.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
borbon should be on the roster no matter what
you need that def replacement/pinch runner on the roster and i dont see how it isnt him…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If only
he was a good base runner.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
is Taveras any better?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
As a baserunner,
sure. Not defensively tho.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Keep in mind that he's just as likely (maybe even more likely) to become a pinch runner for someone who's in scoring position than for a guy who just hit a 1-out single.
His baserunning intelligence, which is lacking, won’t be much of a factor is he’s going to second base so he can score on a single or third base so he can score on a sac fly. In those situations, the speed is really all that matters.
The problem with that in relation to Judy is that we've seen him
freeze in that exact situation, last August v the Angels.
Judy was on 2B and somebody hit a bomb to the wall and he could only get to 3B.
We’re talking about one of the fastest players in MLB who has all of 10 SB’s while getting caught 7 times. His baserunning is zapped by his intelligence and inability to get on base.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Of course
Taveras was 1 for 3 stealing bases this year. He had a 500 OPS this year.
Last year, he had a 559 OPS in the majors.
The year before, a 609 OPS in the majors.
But he needs to be on the roster instead of Borbon.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm, Willy (I was spelling it wrong) Taveras
had 68 SBs (caught stealing 7 times) two years ago and 25 SB’s last year and is only 28 years old so he should still have some gas left in the tank.
He would seem to be a far more effective and intelligent baserunner.
Then there’s post-season experience, Taveras has 80 plate appearances (with a .329 OBP).
Yeah, give me Willy T over Judy for this year’s post-season roster.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
x
read this
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Taveras has STBF from 2008-10
And is the lesser defender.
And yet, you prefer him over Borbon.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
""Lesser defender" ? Sure about that? 2009 Baseball Prospectus says Willy T has two skills
“covering plenty of ground in CF and stealing bases” (stole 68 bases with 7 CS in 2008) which is one more skill than Judy Borbon has yet you prefer Judy and his .500 OPS post AS Break over Willy T.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You never answered my question
Why do you want Cantu on the roster?
He hasn’t hit this year, and he has no defensive value.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't really thought either way about Cantu and
never said that I “want” him on the roster.
I assume he’s going to be on the roster just because of all the top-flight LH pitching we’re going to see.
I’d prefer JD make a waiver pick-up if a good option comes available.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Arbitrary data points are the best kind.
Sooooo much better than useful statistics which actually demonstrate a point.
A point like “Julio Borbon is a better defender in CF than Willy Taveras.”
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
How many teams has Willy T been released by this season?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
what is his AAA OPS?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me make this easy for YOU to remember.
The number of organizations that Willy T has played for since 2008 is equal to the same number of games the Baylor Bears win every year…
4.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
And the IQ of the average Texas Tech grad.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
I didn't say you carry Brandon Boggs.
That’s a player that Washington isn’t going to use so it’s a wasted space.
I’d choose a 3rd catcher (Fruit Loops) over carrying both Judy & Wily on the same team. Given a choice, I’d roll with Wily T over Judy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You asked, Adam.
Judy’s offensive season this year, other than June has been horrific.
Look at it every way possible….April, May, July, August, post AS Break, last 7 days, last 14 days, last 28 days…almost every OPS number you look at is below .570.
Borbon’s offensive season looks, smells and feels like dog shit – that’s good enough for me.
Borbon has two skills as a player (at least this year). He’s very fast and perhaps above average defensively.
The speed is mitigated by his inability to get on base and his baserunning is mitigated by his lack of intelligence – I can reel off several, not one or two but several, dumbass baserunning moments he’s had in the last 10 days.
Judy’s plus defense is mitigated by his throwing arm. People run on him at will and with good reason.
The only thing Borbon brings to the table as a player is his ability to go get the ball in CF.
I have a feeling the other shoe is going to fall right here because I haven’t seen Wily T play other than in fleeting glimpses but I know what we have with Judy Borbon. I also know we’ll be seeing lots of top-shelf LH starting pitching in the post-season which doesn’t bode well for Judy but most importantly, we’re not going to be playing our 4th OF that much in the post-season.
No, I’m not shit-canning Judy for eternity – just in the Year of It’s Time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
So, basically...
…you are willing to take anyone, even someone you haven’t seen and know basically nothing about, over the team’s best defensive CF’er.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Beat me to it...
Taveras has an OPS over .675 ONCE in his career, but somehow HE is the answer to the Borbon question.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
No problem, Adam.
You’re dug in on Judy and for some reason don’t want to admit how terrible he’s been at the plate this year, especially after the AS Break (.500 OPS after AS Break) yet want to embellish what kind of defensive player he is.
We disagree profoundly.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
He's the team's best defensive CF'er
That’s not embellishment. It is fact.
I assume you want Jorge Cantu on the playoff roster though, right? He’s hit about as poorly as Borbon has, and doesn’t even give you Borbon’s defense or speed.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
when looking at UZR/150
hes the best CF in baseball…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Borbon can go get the ball better than Josh
but his arm and lack of intelligence (drops can of corn v Boston, throws to wrong base in Tampa, turns back to ball which hits low off wall in Tampa) mitigates his defense.
What’s gonna happen more in a game…a runner going from 1st to 3rd, 2B to home or scoring on a short sac fly or one of those catches that Judy made v Baltimore last week?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Willy Taveras vs Julio Borbon
Taveras 2010 minor league OPS: .527
Taveras career AAA OPS: .544
Taveras 2009-2010 MLB OPS: .555 over 474 PA
julio borbon 2009-2010 MLB OPS: .691 (532 PA)
julio borbon AAA OPS: .753 (457 PA)
Taveras career UZR/150 in CF is 8.5
Borbon career UZR/150 in CF is 16.7
your argument = failure.
in what possible way is Taveras better than Borbon?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Willy Taveras vs Julio Borbon
Taveras 2010 minor league OPS: .527
Taveras career AAA OPS: .544
Taveras 2009-2010 MLB OPS: .555 over 474 PA
julio borbon 2009-2010 MLB OPS: .691 (532 PA)
julio borbon AAA OPS: .753 (457 PA)
Taveras career UZR/150 in CF is 8.5
Borbon career UZR/150 in CF is 16.7
your argument = failure.
in what possible way is Taveras better than Borbon?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You accusing someone else of being "dug in on Judy"
= Laughably hypocritical.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
So, you'd rather shitcan a good defensive CF and speedy baserunner, who will be used principally as a late-inning pinch runner
And take on a guy we know nothing about in Willy T. Is that the gist here? All of this so we can carry a 3rd catcher in a 5-game series?
No
It is so Borbon won’t be on the roster. He’d rather have an empty roster spot, or Sharky, on the 25 man roster, than Borbon.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What happens
if one of your 25 gets injured? I read somewhere you can just replace him with anyone on your 40, but it has to be after the series is over. Why wouldn’t they allow you to do during the series?
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Aug 26, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Because that would defeat the purpose of freezing rosters at all, wouldn't it?
You’d get sore elbows and blisters like crazy so that managers could get fresh BP arms as the series went on. So, rosters freeze before each series.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
So
3/4 of the team melts into goopy poopy in the 120 degree weather and you have to play whoever’s left? I guess I see your point though.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You can apply for a injury replacement
But it has to be position for position.
So if Molina got hurt and we had three catchers we couldn’t just call up another pitcher
actually it has to be position vs. pitcher
I believe. If Molina got hurt, I think you can call up a 1B… but not a pitcher. But your argument holds for this example.
Going to the game tonight courtesy sam in so cal (who actually live in Dallas, who would have thunk?)
If I try to bring a broom into the ballpark, will they try to take it away at gate?
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
Josh Hamilton must be a god
He can even get dudes to take their clothes off just by hitting home runs in their vicinity.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
That's a terrible, terrible superpower to have.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wish I had that superpower
I’d settle for x-ray vision.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Aug 26, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys - less XBox, more Gym
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Tim Lincecum was at the game last night?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont see a blunt in his hand
cant be him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
nah
that’s Buscemi from Airheads
speaking of, I’m very excited about Buscemi’s new HBO prohibition series
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks fucking awesome..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
Do you think we could trade....
Nellie Cruz to TB for Carl Crawford and get another impact/young arm that could be in our bullpen before the waiver deadline on 8/31? That would solve our PR issue as Crawford could be on the roster instead of Borbon and Willy T. Then we could carry 3 catchers…..
/obvious sarcasm
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
30 years old
And only one good year in The Show.
by Giant Space Ants on Aug 26, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
um yeah... probably
KC or CLE or PIT would never claim a guy making the league minimum and 3 more years of controlability off of waivers.
Good roster
Frankly, it does seem like having both Borbon and Taveras is repetetive; but with one less pitcher you can afford to do that, and Taveras would probably be more valuable than a Davis or Teagarden.
Or the Rangers could just win every game 15-0, and not worry about who their late inning pinch runner is gonna be.
by Giant Space Ants on Aug 26, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Man Dungy is awesome
Loved that interview.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
That's nothing compared to JJT with Norm this morning
He said Neftali Feliz is about to break the rookie record for most “closes” in a season.
Also gave JD some props, which was nice. One of the reasons he gave was “Nobody knew who Ogando was until JD signed him in the offseason.” Whoops.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard. Hitting.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yeah... my head against the desk when I heard that...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I like this roster.
I’m not in love with the Willy Taveras idea, but I could live with it if it came to be.
That said, I think going with 11 pitchers is great for a 5 game series, but I think you have to consider rolling with 12 for subsequent series. With 11 you’re basically hoping that each of your starters goes AT LEAST 6 innings with no hiccups.
Of course any decisions you make would be contingent on performance at that point, usage, etc., but I would be more than okay with dropping one of the utility guys for Harden or Feldman in the ALCS if we make it there.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think so...
there are a lot of off-days to get rest to the bullpen. But I guess you do need Brandon “Wade” Boggs on the roster for pitching insurance.
And Adam....
you’ve shot down Willy T quite a bit in here when comparing him to Judy…
Let me ask you something….what are your reasons for including him on your 25 man post-season roster?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
let me make it a little more clear for you, since you evidently are unable to read.
Willy Taveras is the guy that I’m guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
— ajayem
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Here.
Willy Taveras is the guy that I’m guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Was it here?
Willy Taveras is the guy that I’m guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
no, it was here
Willy Taveras is the guy that I’m guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
by elvis1isking on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong. It was here.
Willy Taveras is the guy that I’m guessing most people are surprised to see on this last. But in a postseason series, with guys like Guerrero and Molina in the lineup, the Rangers need a quality pinch runner. And given that Julio Borbon is a candidate to be lifted for a pinch hitter late in games, the Rangers probably want to consider having a quality defensive centerfielder available on the bench.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
readings a bitch, isn't it
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
might Esteban German
be a better PR/PH option than Taveras? I might prefer him if Ron wants to go with a Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz OF.
jonmorosi
One rival exec describes #Rangers as “very active” lately. “They’re trying to win the World Series,” the exec says. #MLB #TRADES #DFW #TEX
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
by Longhorn on Aug 26, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Somebody who can play a good CF
and who hits RH?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Manny?
Any other guesses?
BTW, does Manny platoon day games / left handers with Hamilton, sliding Guerrerro to the outfield, and Borbon to CF?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 26, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Who could slide thru waivers
that could truly help us?
I think we’re good (can you believe this?) with our starting pitching and if Kinz is really coming back…it’d have to be an OF of some sort.
This is all table talk and what ifs….Torri Hunter, Marlon Byrd, Carlos Lee, Carlos Gomez, Soriano, Podsednik, Francouer, Beltran….mostly meh or expensive although Byrd would be a perfect fit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Ditto
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
is that list you have legit? as in, were they all placed on waivers?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No, off the top of Josey's mind.
Upon further review, it’s difficult for me to imagine anybody taking a bite out of Hunter’s $ 18 million per contract for the next two years.
I did read where Pods was put on waivers and I’m guessing with the others.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
okay, just wondering if you saw that somewhere, wanted to link to other friends
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
thursday night's brew
It is Bell’s Mona Lisa.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is that the brand, or the name?
Should I bother looking for it in Dallas?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Bell's is the brand
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Bummer
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
join beer advocate
Put it on your wish list and I’ll find a way to get you a couple. I love sharing good beer with good people.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
beer advocate is awesome, joined a week or two ago...what're some of the benefits of that place besides being able to read hundreds of reviews for any beer ever brewed?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The forums have awesome homebrewing guides
And news on latest releases and beer festivals in your area.
But the crown jewel is being able to trade beers with other members. It’s the only way I could have ever gotten ahold of some Pliny.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I havent logged into that site in so long
I just logged in to see when i joined, turns out it was 2002. man time flys
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Hopslam's the name
It’s their best brew, period. A one-of-a-kind Imperial IPA. I’m in TN..and the only stores I remember from DFW area are Lonestar Beverages and Central Market. I’d recommend a few phone calls. It’s a hell of a beer man, if you can find it.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I used to drink the Oberon Ale and another that I can't remember right now.....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Cool, thanks.
I’m not too far from CM.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
hey bub, let me know if they carry it willyapal?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Sure thing.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Bell's puts out some damn good stuff, haven't had it since I moved from Chicago.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Wait, what?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
what?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I didn't know about the Windy City days.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
man, the stories....
Got lots of them, stick around.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
it really is.. almost a shame that itsdeceptively smooth.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ny rogue thumb is causing some massive postfail today
But what I meant to say is its a shame its so deceptively smooth because I run through 6 packs so damn quick.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
consider me hoppy
where is Bell brewed?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the dancing weed nuggets
Toki: Clowns are, statistically, the most hated of all creatures.
Skwisgaar: Statisticallies or not, but, uh, just don'ts likes this guy.
The beer scene in Dallas is pretty lousy
compared to some other cities. Who wouldent love to have a Portland/Seattle beer scene around here?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
damn, that would be awesome.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I was impressed with Chicago's scene as well.
The Great Lakes Burning River PA was just friggin’ badass.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Goose Island puts out some goods.....cool thing is they are right in the city.
Went there for a few tastings.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Please be
patient. Good things await the Dallas beer scene.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Aug 26, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I work there?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'm already a taste tester
And I’m lining up a distribution deal with my local liquor store.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I wanna make the beer.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
We'll have
guest brew days, but only for LSBers.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Aug 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You got a prelim website or anything set up?
I remember you talking about this a few weeks ago…very exciting.
Best of luck!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Maybe he'll put your name on the site.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
My excitement is legitimate, not for personal gain.
I’m no whore sir.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Almost ready for
launch. I will let the beer masses know when it’s solid. It will still be a while before we pull stuff out of fermenters, but all points to the probability that This Thing is happening.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Aug 26, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Word, can't wait man.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I cannot believe my company
has put up a firewall that prohibits us from looking at beer sites.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Ah yes, the wonderful Corporate Network Nazis...
…they’re everywhere.
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Questions about MANTIS
Is He known as THE MANTIS or simply MANTIS?
Who among us know the true will of MANTIS…. ghostOfErikThompson, theDirkatron, JeffWooWoo?
And who are false prophets? (My money’s on Josey Wales and RevHalofan.)
Which baseball player is most like MANTIS,
Ichiro, Joaquin Arias or CJ Wilson?
Which player is least like MANTIS,
John Lackey, Mark Teixeira or Benji Molina?
Has the boy, chosen by MANTIS at Camden Yards, been seen lately?
In a fight between MANTIS and the rally monkey, who would win, MANTIS or THE MANTIS?
Is it the will of MANTIS that the Rangers win the World Series this year?
MANTIS is everyone and it is no one.
MANTIS is everywhere and it is nowhere.
MANTIS is all things and nothing.
All at once.
Also, MANTIS drives a souped-up Escalade.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Mantis drives an ice cream truck lined with human skulls, not some pussy Escalade.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
God I loved those games.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
You already know Loblaw was Outlaw, every fucking time
And spammed the fuck out of that siren/lightning move.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Twisted Metal...
was my first real video game experience outside of Super Mario.
<3
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And now I want to play really badly!
Thanks, asshole.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Mantis has no need for an automobile.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That settles it.
Mantis has no need for an automobile.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
Ive reached my fail quota today. No more posting.
by dolphinpuncher on Aug 26, 2010 2:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but are you loving some Kirkman too?
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
The Mantis knows and sees all.
He saw the Texas Rangers in need and decided to impart his mystic powers upon them. No foe can stand before him or those he chooses to watch over and be victorious. Those who think they know The Mantis are fools. Believe in The Mantis and he shall reward us with the long awaited trip to the Promised Land of the Worls Series!
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
dammit...
WORLD series.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Taveras makes sense to me.
I think the 4th starter will also be more clear at the time, but I think I might like Holland if the lineup faced matches up more poorly against lefties. As you said without looking at matchups, though, I have no disagreement with this, I don’t think.
Although, I would like Borbon on the bench to start games with Hamilton in center and Murphy in left for the playoffs, so the need for a pinch runner might be a bit less in that situation.
the only scenario I can see Holland making the postgame 25
are injuries to at least one of Lee/Wilson/Lewis/Hunter and the continue suck or injury to Harden.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Question
This is for those who would pitch Cliff Lee on short rest in Game 4 if down 2-1.
Why wouldn’t you do it if up 2-1?
If it is a good idea if you are facing elimination, why wouldn’t you do it if the other team was facing elimination?
Because up 2-1 isn't the same urgency that down 2-1 is
Up 2-1 you are guaranteed at least 2 more games. if you win then you get a full new series. If you lose you get game 5. A fully rested Lee gives you a better chance to win than a short rest Lee so since the only game you truly have to win is game 5 in your scenario I take the fully rested Lee.
Who cares about "urgency"?
You have to win 2 games in 2 tries down 2-1.
You have to win 1 game in 2 tries up 2-1.
If Lee makes sense on short rest down 2-1, he should make sense on short rest up 2-1.
Otherwise, you are being illogical.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Despite the results so far
I count a playoff game Lee wins as a W for us.
If we only need 1 win to close out a series but have 2 chances at it i will take my chance that a guy like Harden or Hunter can give me a win in game 4 and then it sets up for Lee to pitch in the ALCS.
If they can’t then I still have my ace in the hole ready to pitch game 5. If he can’t win game 5 on normal rest what makes you think he could win game 4 on short rest? And if he can’t win game 4 then who do you throw in game 5?
That can be logical, given the possible scenarios. Here's an example:
P(W | Lee on Short Rest) = 50%
P(W | Lee on Normal Rest) = 60%
P(W | Hunter on Normal Rest) = 45%
P(W | CJ on Normal rest) = 55%
Scenario A is pitching Lee on Short Rest followed by CJ on Normal rest. The number of expected wins in that case is 1.05. The variance on that estimate is .498. The probability of winning both games is 27.5%
Scenario B is pitching Hunter on normal rest followed by Lee on normal rest. The number of expected wins in that case is also 1.05. The variance; however, is .488. The probability of winning both games is now 27%.
If you are down to your elimination game, you need to maximize the probability of winning both games, which means you should do Scenario A. If you are not down to your elimination game, then you should use Scenario B since it maximizes the probability of winning a single game at the cost of a lower overall likelihood of winning both.
As a result, it can be perfectly logical to have different approaches to a 2-1 situation vs a 1-2 situation.
Using Scenario B where you have a 2 games to 1 lead, improves the probability of you moving onto the next series by 1%. Using Scenario A where you have a 1 games to 2 deficit, improves the probability of you moving onto the next series by .5%.
by Trickman on Aug 26, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Trickman
AJM seems to be trying to use Lawyer logic… Nice to see someone using Actuary logic here.
Don't you want him starting the 1st game
of the ALCS? Don’t pitch him again in the ALDS until you need him, game 5 (when you’re up 2-0 or 2-1).
I don’t leave bullets in the chamber when I traded Smoak/Beaven for games like this.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for validating my existance.
I disagree with you on saving Lee for game 5. But honestly if we’re down 2-1 vs. whoever in the ALDS, don’t you think Ron sends Cliff Lee to the mound?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
if you're up 2-1
you should be planning for the next round. But that also depends very much on what the scheduling happens to look like.
Go Rice Owls!
Pearland, Texas LLWS
1 kid’s favorite player was Josh Hamilton..
Hambone should send him a signed bat.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
Nah, the only Astro's were ex Astro's..
Biggio.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Lance Berkman
..is an ex-Astro.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Way to go.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the ALDS schedules
Schedule “A”: October 6, 7, 9, 11, 13
Schedule “B”: October 7, 8, 10, 12, 13
So it would be moot anyway. Game 4 and Game 5 could be started by your Game 1 and 2 starters on normal rest.
And that means no need for a 4th starter in the ALDS, so no Hunter or Harden.
I told you that on Monday.
heh
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did you see that?
Didn’t one series have a day off between games 1 and 2 last year, so they can play 3 a day and all can be seen on TV the first couple of days? My biggest fear is us making the playoffs (I have tickets) and we end up with a pair of afternoon games that I can’t attend because of work obligations.
My question I guess is there still afternoon ALDS games?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Aug 26, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Link
I have updated my original post.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If I am choosing
I would go with schedule B. Only two off days may be a slight advantage overe the Yankees.
When I had originally said you only need a 3 man rotation in the ALDS
I was assuming that this was the way the schedule would work out.
So who do you replace Hunter/Harden with – Feldman? Or another bat?
Go Rice Owls!
There's a 50/50 shot...
the Rangers will be playing a playoff game on my birthday! This is the best news ever.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 26, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/8/26/1652160/stay-classy-texas#comments
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
They clearly troll here still.
lol
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 26, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny how they throw that word around.
They’re not exactly the epitome of class.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 26, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Two things
In that heat you would think they would get a tan?
and
It explains why Lone Star Ball is full of gays
“You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass” – J. Allen
by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 26, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
Even if that were true, shouldn’t those SoCal Angels fans be more open-minded than that, or is that just a popular myth?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
Rev chimes in to bitch for a little bit.
interesting point about Mister Waterfall
After years… DECADES… of a policy of not showing fans interfering with the game it was pretty pathetic that Fox and Joe Buck fixated on the dude to denigrate the Angels fan base as gloryhogging drunk casual fans. They also do this with any beach balls that appear at the stadium.
Why is it that guys wearing business suits at Yankee Stadium who are there to do business deals and leave in the 6th inning are considered "fans" but slapping a beachball around makes us nimrods?
by Rev Halofan on Aug 26, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
waterfall link he speaks of
via deadspin
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
he needs whiter shoes
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
and it made it ont he front page at HH
how do they post that and not the ULTRA HYPED GUY from 09?
lame.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do they think that kid looks like Iggy?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
being lazy I guess....kid needs more track marks to pass for Iggy
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
OT-Looks like UT and USC have scheduled a home and home for 2017 and 2018
Texas’ OOC schedule the next several years is pretty nice.
rally mantis is OFFICIAL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Is this for real?
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, Chuck digs LSB
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
This is awesome...can't believe I just recently discovered this place.
/Newb
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
welcome.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
thx
:^)
Pete Campbell: A man like you I'd follow into combat blindfolded, and I wouldn't be the first. Am I right, buddy?
Don Draper: Let's take it a little slower. I don't want to wake up pregnant.
by DonDrapersOPS on Aug 26, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey look, it's Aunt Vergie.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
YES it is
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, I do have a disagreement.
Give me Guzman. Especially if you only need three starters.
I know LSB is sour on him because of how terrible he’s been as a Ranger, but he has a much larger track record of not being that terrible, and I love his OBP as a righty bench bat.
You love his OBP?
His OBP is .309 this season, .307 for his career.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 26, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
More than having a third catcher, yes.
I also think he can get back towards the .327 he had in Washington, if not the .330 ZiPS has for him the rest of the season.
shit
i would take you on the team over a 3rd catch philkid
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I think I’d take Guzman over a third catcher as well.
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