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Strasburg was protected in college, the minors, and the pros. I wonder if it has to do with by his own account throwing about 81 coming out of H.S. and all the sudden he’s throwing 101. The stress on the arm from the big of a jump in 4 years has to phenomenal…
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 27, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep...that too.
That is an incredible jump in 4 years…
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It's really unheard of
it boggles the mind actually. To be a fat out of shape finesse pitcher to becoming one of the power pitchers in the game in your late teens early 20’s. We’ve all seen guys add 4-5 MPH on their fastball, but 20 MPH seems almost physically impossible…
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Ask Michael Kirkman about that
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Kirkman added 8-10 mph at the most.
Still a big jump, but not Strasburgian.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 27, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Early scouting reports had him between 82-85 IIRC.
And I haven’t seen him flash anything over 95 this year so I guess 10-12 is probably about as much as he added. No, not Strasburgian, but he also wasn’t a fat slob.
Strasburg is a special case, but adding double digit velo happens. 20 mph, that’s just silly.
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Not even close
Totally different injury situation.
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Not neccessarily the same injury...
just hyped as the best thing since sliced bread and them blam…injury. Prior never recovered, hopefully Strasburg will, because the kid is fun tow atch.
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Shoulder injuries and Elbow injuries are two completely different animals
Shoulder injuries tend to linger/worsen/not get fixed properly, elbows have much less long term risk. It sucks that he is going to lose a year or two, but in my opinion he will be fine.
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Read..
Guys who are the next big thing who blow out their arms are the rule, not the exception.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
that's a sad story
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by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
meh
he got paid.
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy shit
that sucks.
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Wow.
That’s just…. depressing… for a Nationals fan.
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Wow
Washington’s baseball teams are like, cursed. For the sake of their fans, I hope Strasburg doesn’t fall off like David Clyde (not the best comparison—except in terms of disappointment, perhaps). Next thing you know, Bryce Harper is abducted by aliens and the Nationals become the Las Vegas Gamblers. Terrible.
This saddens me
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
Boy...
so you’re saying an injured pitcher might not come back and be good? That’s a leap.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 27, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet elsewhere in this thread someone is being roasted for saying basically the same thing.
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And so...
…Nats fans have collectively had their hearts just dumped into a large vat of boiling tears.
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by Brandon Bibb on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Scheppers 1. Strasburg 0
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who didn't see this coming at some point
although it’s definitely earlier than I expected. I can’t believe the pitched him at all after he initially had some pain etc.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Wow...sucks for the Nationals..
but it’s the Inverted W…
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I've always wondered the same thing.
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I've seen some scouting reports
call it an M
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
It's an 'M' as my 5 year old writes it (with slanted sides)
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
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by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 27, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
My thoughts exactly. Don Cooper, the respected pitching coach for the White Sox, said earlier this summer that this is the reason Strasburg worried him. I am just shocked that it took at short a time as it did.
RIP Feldman
At his age he should recover just fine.
But this is shitty news, not just for Nats fans, but for baseball fans in general. He was a damn exciting player to watch.
Bunk acid.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
You.
Stop with with positivity!
This is the kneejerk thread…
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I've got this list from a forum I post on...
pitchers who have had the surgery and came back to be effective.
Tim Hudson, Edinson Volquez, Francisco Liriano, Frank Francisco, Shaun Marcum, Chris Carpenter, Fernando Rodney, John Smoltz, Joakim Soria, Rafael Soriano, Josh Johnson, Billy Wagner, C.J. Wilson
It’s nowhere near a death sentence for him.
Those guys all suck
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
totally forgot about BGL...
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Before anyone starts screaming Mark Prior
Prior’s elbow is just fine, his shoulder is what is messed up. Totally different situation.
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I said what I did
at the top of the thread more in the context that here is another phenom who gets hurt early in his career.
RIP Feldman
Said this in the fanshot post
“Future Hall of Famer and possible All Time Great”
Don’t remember the exact quote from Strasburg’s first start….or who said it. But it was pretty dang ridiculous that it was being said about a kid in his first start. Wait…it was ESPN Hype.
On top of other reasons…this is one major example of why you can’t make that claim.
Hopefully he comes back….as many TJ surgery guys do…but he may never have that SICK hook he had again.
I said MANY come back from TJ….Ranger Floppy mentioned Josh Johnson…GREAT EXAMPLE. But there are other examples of guys who flame out because of injuries. The point of this goes back to the start of this post…you can’t call a guy a future “all time great and future hall of famer” at this point in his career. WAY too many variables along the way
Yeah, totally agree, especially with a pitcher
Stras undoubtedly has the talent to become an all-time great and Hall of Famer. But NO player should be anointed as such at this point.
Those are the kind of terms you throw around for a guy like Pujols, not a rookie pitcher, no matter how highly talented.
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exactly
not at all saying he can’t come back and be dominant.
but you just never know. injury is not the only variable that could derail him. We could list a ton…
injury (sport related)
injury (non sport related)
regression (due to age, location, movement)
retirement due to call to Ministry (2 recent highly rated sports prospects have done this)
death
addiction
personal drive/work ethic
list can go on and on…but I have a meeting!!
Bob Feller
or Bob Gibson said the same thing basically. How about he wins a game before we put him in the Hall…
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
So what's the time frame for recovery?
Is he gone all next year now? Sucks big time.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
1 year before he's on a major league mound is typicall
another year before he’s really regained control….as that’s apparently the last thing to come back.
theres hope...
Chris Carpenter, A.J. Burnett, Ryan Dempster, Joakim Soria…
Scott Feldman, SP (Rangers) — TJ Class of 2003
Randy Wolf, SP (Brewers) — TJ Class of 2005
Francisco Liriano, SP (Twins) — TJ Class of 2006
Billy Wagner, RP (Braves) — TJ Class of 2008
Shaun Marcum, SP (Blue Jays) — TJ Class of 2008
Then there are the countless others B.J. Ryan, Tim Spooneybarger, Jesse Foppert…
Coincidentally
[edit] List of American football players receiving the surgery
All players listed are quarterbacks unless noted otherwise. Five players have received the procedure.
Jake Delhomme
Craig Erickson
Sebastian Janikowski (did not affect his career as a placekicker)
Rob Johnson
Deion Sanders (a cornerback, wide receiver, and return specialist in football; an outfielder in baseball)
You're an idiot
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I like how you posted then you reposted to get your zing in
by PhilKidIsHero on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I like how you posted a stupid fucking comment
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by RangerFloppy on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Such Rage.....Such Anger on a Friday.....
You act like he plays for the Rangers.
He will mess something up trying to rehab, go in for a second surgery, give it one more go then everything shatters.
Then he shall be done.
by PhilKidIsHero on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
you are a fucking moron
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Rob Dibble spent a pretty big chunk of time criticizing Stras for not manning up and pitching through pain.
In a related story, Rob Dibble is a moron. You’d think someone who’s career was derailed by injuries would be more sympathetic.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
+juan
dibble needs to be old yellar’d
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Including the rabies part.
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I hope he gets taken to task on this....someone needs to jock the fuck out of him....maybe they are on twitter...
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by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 27, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Jealousy
or misery wants company
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Rob Dibble
he is all that is man! I bet he could chug an entire bottle of syrup
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Rob Dibble probably is bitching...
That Stras is going to be drugged up and out for the surgery
If it was up to Dibble, Stras would be wide awake with no medicine during the surgery…..and pitching the following week
/Dibble is a dumbass
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That really sucks.
Kinda like that Nationals team
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The Sabernomics guru reminding us that pitching is an inherently dangerous art, and protection/pitch counts are not always a saving grace
jc_bradbury
Strasburg averaged 92 pit/g in majors (excluding last start), 77 pit/g in minors). So, how’d that protection work out?
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Crap, post fail.
It doesn’t tell us anything about how well the protection “worked” more than “not well enough to prevent this.” But who knows what shape his arm would be if he had been out there throwing 130 pitches per game — maybe the same, but maybe worse.
Biomechanics link from guy into pitching mechanics
Predicted before all this that Strasburg would have a Smoltz-like career, times of dominance interspersed with serious injury. Has done lots of other pitcher evaluations too, worth looking at if you’re interested.
Also, thinks the elbow issues are just a delay until Strasburg hits his shoulder issues.
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The Nationals have some shitty luck...
Jordan Zimmermann is just coming off T-J and now Strasburg is gone for a while.
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And Harper will be a bust
Sucks for them.
by LoneStarBallUser on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah book it - Harper will suck
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to have a positive outlook and say that he is going to bounce back.
Sadly though, the Nationals lose a great, young talent for upwards of 2 years. But who knows, by that time they may have a decent team core and be just one talented pitcher away from being a .500 team. I have a hard time feeling bad for the National’s just because it doesn’t really affect me. But then again, I know at some point in the future the Rangers will have a great young pitcher suffer the same or even a similar injury. I just hope it is far enough away and that the pitching staff is so solid that it doesn’t impact the team.
Not to mention they are more likely to get top-10 picks the next 2 years...
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Good point by fangraphs
This should kill any reason for the Nats to resign Adam Dunn. I’d take him—seems like a good clubhouse guy, too.
AKA BuckyB
Sucks....
Just when the Nats were getting folks excited about their team (mainly due to Stras), this happens….
I feel for their fans, but then again I’m a Rangers fan
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he will be just fine in 2012
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