Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Dana White Announces Koscheck vs. Hendricks for UFC on FOX

Sunday morning Rangers stuff

That was a vexing game.

However, LSB Suite Night was still a success.  We had a good time watching the game, even if the Rangers didn't do much, and the great Chuck G came by, hung out and visited with us for about an hour, talking about the plans the new ownership has for the team and getting our feedback on a variety of topics.  It is hard to imagine that happening with previous ownership. 

Anthony Andro's game story talks about how Rich Harden, once again, followed up a solid outing with a poor outing.

T.R. Sullivan says in his game story that the highlight of the game for the Rangers was that the team had a sellout, pushing attendance for the year over 2,000,000.

Sullivan's notes talk about the claw and antlers shirt going on sale, and the possible machinations coming to set up the playoff roster, with Willy Taveras mentioned as someone who could be brought up in the next few days to make him playoff eligible.  As we've talked about before, however, the Rangers shouldn't have any problem getting guys on the playoff roster who are in the organization as of 8/31, even if those players are in the minors.

Andro's notes discuss the hole created in the bullpen by Frank Francisco going to the disabled list.

Evan Grant has an article on the loss of Francisco that suggests that the Rangers may have the worst bullpen of all the A.L. playoff teams, and that not having Francisco in the playoffs would make the pen an even bigger weak spot.

Jeff Wilson writes that Michael Kirkman may be a better prospect with a brighter future than Derek Holland right now, and appears to have passed him as a candidate for the postseason roster.

Richard Durrett runs down a list of possible righthanded hitting outfielders the Rangers could target before September 1, although the list (outside of Marlon Byrd) is uninspiring, with Jeff Franceour listed as a possibility, among others.

Drew Davison has a story on Andres Blanco and the job he has done filling the Rangers' utility infielder role.

Davison also has a minor league update, saying that the Rangers still have a lot of depth in their system, despite all the deals they made to add major league pieces, and talks about Martin Perez's struggles this year.  It is kind of disappointing to think about how Perez as touted as a possible September call-up at the beginning of the year, and now looks like he'll be repeating AA in 2011.

The DMN has a story about the efforts being made by the new ownership group to make the ballpark experience more enjoyable for the fans.

And Andro rips the Washington Nationals for their handling of Stephen Strasburg this year, saying that Strasburg should have been shut down for the season once he went on the d.l. earlier this year, and suggesting that the Nats' decision to bring him back led to Strasburg needing Tommy John surgery.  I think this take is a little misguided...I don't think you can simply shut down for the year any highly touted young pitcher who goes on the disabled list.  If the doctors looked at Strasburg and said he was ready to go back on the mound, I don't see why you'd hold him back.  Moreover, it sounds like, even if Strasburg had been shut down for the year, it just would have delayed the inevitable, with Strasburg's ligament likely being at the point where surgery was going to end up happening eventually anyway.

Comment 168 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

More from Lone Star Ball

Tuesday a.m. Rangers things

Aug 2010 by Adam J. Morris - 489 comments

70-54

Aug 2010 by ghostofErikThompson - 1071 comments

Comments

Display:

yes

Be sure to visit Mosul's new blog at www.mosuldolfan.blogspot.com/
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman

by texascowpunk on Aug 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Mike E bot seems to be fully functional.

It’s going to be a good day.

For the record, I like Michael Young, but his defense is, well, indefensible. Don't believe me? Click here, then here and here.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 29, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rangers may have the worst bullpen among the contenders

but that is really splitting hairs, isn’t it? I mean, they don’t have Mariano Rivera closing, or Jesse Crain setting up. But O’Day, Oliver, Ogando, and Feliz is pretty solid. It isn’t ilke the Rangers are going to get a lot of innings from Nippert and Mathis (the guys who inflate that Rangers bullpen ERA to where it is)

Let’s face it – the four teams who will likely be in the playoffs are all pretty similar. Strong 1-3 starting rotations, strong bullpens, very good lineups with great hitters and a few weaknesses (or Tampa, which is very good all the way through but lacks the clear MVP candidate).

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

TOR put a bunch of its relievers on waivers

Gregg who’s their closer, Frasor, Downs, Camp etc. The first three have closing experience.

Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"

by stupidsexyflanders on Aug 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

the Rays have a strong ‘pen. They’re probably the only ones I’d consider instead of the Rangers. Twins ‘pen is good, but I think the Rangers’ is better. And I’d certainly take the Rangers ’pen over the Yankees or BoSox.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely...

I’d love to see him back. Seems like the natural fit to our needs – RH, CF, and mashes LHPs.

by House of David on Aug 29, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for Byrd coming back.

Even though he got a lot of shit around here, I’ve always liked him.

"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan

by Flynnyrd on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't remember him getting a lot of shit

I like him a lot. I’m sure a lot of fans would approve of him coming back, just so they can stand up and flap their arms.

Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.

by Pith on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

a lot of folks were gagging at the thought of re-signing him, despite him being the 4th or 5th most valuable Ranger position player every year he was here.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll say it...

I was one of them. For a couple of reasons. Primarily the fact that I thought he would get more on the market than what the Cubs gave him. I wasn’t expecting him to get a GMJ deal, but I thought it would have been more.

My biggest complaint with his performance was his lack of BB’s. Last years team was hacking at everything and it seemed like nobody was willing to work the count. Byrd was a big culprit with that imo.

I also thought Borbon would be much better than he has been this year. Am I willing to throw in the towel on Borbon yet? Absolutely not, but I would take Byrd back right now as well.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure why folks thought

Borbon would be much better than he has been offensively this year. Rookie year, plus not much in the way of walks or power inthe minors, a season like this wasn’t that farfetched.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blind homer optimism.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't blind homer optimism

He was nothing short of great in his time up here last year. He had a solid walk rate that was on the rise since he started playing pro-ball and he showed some promising and unexpected power. There was a lot to like with him and even though he wasn’t likely to hit like that for a full season, there was very good reason to believe he could give you some average offense with his speed. Add that to the defense he would give you, which was a bit more predictable, and he was someone you were willing to take a chance on for your starting CF.

The real problem was that the team couldn’t afford a back-up option.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also thought he'd get overpaid more than he did.

When the details of what he got came out, I wished the Rangers could’ve afforded that, although on their limited budget I thought a one-year pitching gamble was a better choice, especially with CJ and Colby being quite unproven at the time.

But obviously Harden didn’t work out and I’d love to have Byrd back.

by Closure GT on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I thought he’d get more than he did. I got kind of a sinking feeling when I saw how little the Cubs had to pay for him.

Then again, and I know this is surprising to some, I’ve never been the biggest Borbon fan.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd like how much it would take to get Byrd,

but with the now-oriented moves the front office has already made it may be the right call.

But please, no Franceour.

by Closure GT on Aug 29, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

pluS

I loved the Byrdman, noone every called him out for lack of hustle that’s for sure.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a tremendous fit.

Borbon looks much better as a defensive sub off the bench than he does as a starting CF. Byrd really makes the OF looks strong, both defensively and offensively.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love what Captain Kirkman has done since coming the beginning of last season...

but better prospect than Holland? Has Holland really struggled so much as to think he doesn’t still have TORP upside? Has anyone ever said that Kirkman has such upside?

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I've been saying for a while...

…that I think Holland’s stock has dropped within the organization quite a bit over the last 12 months.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

that seems pretty clear to me too

it is telling that Hunter – who is kind of Holland’s opposite, in knowing how to pitch despite not having nearly as great of stuff – is clearly their favorite young pitcher.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drop in avg vela from 94 to 92?

I find it weird they would think less of the guy, given he dominated AAA in his first real stint. I agree with Adam though that it seems that way. Maybe haven’t soured on him so much as the helium that was there when he was touching 97 has worn off. So what? Instead of a #1 he becomes a # 2. I still have big hopes for him. To me, if he cuts the hr rate down (by keeping fb down), he’ll be just fine.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's room for both next year

Figure 2 openings when Lee and Harden leave. Could be 3 – would not surprise me to see hunter have a regression to the mean season in 2011, ala Feldman. Would love a rotation with 3 lefties. But I thinknthe only givens going in to 2011 are Lewis and CJ. Of course theybcould always make a trade for a #1 or 2, which I think is more likely than signing lee (still holding out hope for greinke).

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman hasn't had a regression to the mean season

A regression to the mean season would have meant that Feldman put up an ERA around 4.75-5.00. And if Hunter does that, then he’s going to be in the rotation.

It would be exceptionally premature to plan for next season expecting Hunter to be terrible in 2011. If that’s the expectation, the Rangers need to trade Hunter now, because I expect he’s got a fair amount of trade value.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Hunter has a good deal of trade value

and a wise GM may feel that it is a good time to trade him.

But I also think (don’t know, obviously) that the Rangers see something in Hunter that makes them very confident in him despite his middling peripherals (which they are aware of) and lack of overpowering stuff. As I said elsewhere, he’s the anti-Holland – he knows how to make the most out of what he has, and while he’ll rarely have the best stuff in whatever pitching matchup he’s in, he may well turn out to be the best pitcher on the mound any given day.

Put another way, I think there are aspects of pitching that are difficult to capture in peripheral based stats like FIP, and I thing Hunter fits the profile of the type of guy who will overperform his peripherals more often than not. That isn’t to say that they shouldn’t trade him – his real value probably lies somewhere between his ERA and FIP, and someone will pay you for that ERA alone – but I doubt he’s going to go Scott Feldman on the Rangers next year.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Rangers get an offer

in line with a pitcher with 4 years of control left who is 11-2 with a 3.66 ERA, they probably ought to pull the trigger.

Even if they don’t, and kept with him, I think he’ll be an excellent back of the rotation pitcher.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

I wouldn’t be actively soliciting offers, but if some team were to call offering a stud 1b or C who’ll fill those holes well, then I’d definitely listen.

And that certainly wouldn’t be unreasonable. I think Hunter is going to have a Jeff Suppan-like career – those guys have value, but they aren’t invaluable.

If Houston called offering Brett Wallace or Jason Castro for Hunter, what would you say?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wise g.m. looks at this team...

…and sees that its starters next year are Lewis, Wilson, Feldman, Hunter, and one of Holland/Kirkman/Harrison.

A wise g.m. looks at that group and figures out that, if he’s planning on competing, trading Hunter — even if Hunter is at peak value — is a pretty bad idea, unless he’s got a way to get a couple of starters as good as, or better than, Hunter in here.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wise GM

would never look at the back end of his rotation as untouchable and would always be open minded about ways to improve his club

Also, no one is advocating dumping Hunter.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're the one who took our rational discussion

about how Hunter’s value may be at a peak and that other teams may be willing to overpay for him and turned it into a bizarre straw man “wise GMs would never trade Hunter right now” statement. Your statement is a lot closer to “Hunter is essentially untouchable” than mine was to “We should trade Hunter”

No one is advocating dumping Hunter. No one is advocating calling around asking for who is available for him. Do I want a hole in the back of the rotation? OF COURSE NOT. But the internal candidates to fill that hole are a hell of a lot better than the current internal candidates to fill some of the other positions on the roster.

I posted the question above – Houston calls you and says “We’ll trade you Jason Castro for Tommy Hunter” do you do it ? (never mind that they’d be dumb to offer it, but Houston has been known to make bad trades, and teams have been known to overpay for Hunter). It leaves a hole at #5… but now you have a potential franchise catcher.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

*overpay for pitchers coming off season's like Hunter's

obviously no one has ever overpaid for Hunter

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If someone is going to overpay though

you’d be silly not to listen. This team does seem to have postional holes at 1B, C, maybe 3B(assuming you move MY to DH), maybe CF.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a player on this team...

…that you wouldn’t listen to offers for.

However, that doesn’t change the fact that the Rangers aren’t really in a good position to be dealing away members of their anticipated 2011 rotation.

Hey, if you want to go into 2011 with Feldman, Holland, and Kirkman as your 3-4-5, so you can get a good prospect package for Hunter, that’s fine.

I think it would be a huge mistake, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously, this all assumes

that you get an offer inline with this year’s performance by hunter as measured by traditional stats. In that case, they are probably overpaying greatly, so I doubt it’s a mistake.

You may have to patch the rotation with a FA, but if someone wants to pay you for a pitcher who is 11-2 with a sub 4 ERA and has 4 years of eligibility, take the money and run, much like the Rangers would have been wise to do last year if someone made an offer for Feldman.

I like Hunter more than most, but I still think he is more solid rotation depth than front of the rotation type pitcher, even though he has been performing more like a front of the rotation guy this year.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about

performance and results?

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

being a prospect

is more than just upside.

The problem I’ve always seen with Holland is that while he has tremendous upside, he seems like the type of guy who may not even be able to hold down a back of rotation starting job. Holland has talent, but he’s missing something else in his approach – maybe psychological or strategic – I don’t know.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's just not right imho...

seems like a lot of knee-jerking over a SSS for KIrkman.

Holland has had a down year, but he’s still clearly a better prospect than Kirkman for me.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

according to the Levine Criteria, Holland has pitched enough innings in the majors to show what he is.

Hopefully if Holland gets more opportunities through the end of the year, he has some very strong outings for a change.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

100 IP, I believe.

I’ll try to find the original link, but I’m pretty sure it’s 750 ABs and 100 IP.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

100 innings seems kind of low

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not my study

but I tend to agree with you, but I have no data to back it up..

However, in analyzing Ranger moves, it is an important study to keep in mind. I don’t think Holland is done for as a prospect or anything, I just think he better step it up much sooner rather than later if he wants to get more chances. The clock is definitely ticking. Hopefully he can be lights out in whatever additional starts he gets this year.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those who are suddenly down on Holland...

are going to be eating their words. The kid is still so young and has had a couple of injuries to deal with this year. Has he struggled at the ML level and with his command? Sure, but he was also dominating AAA at the start of the season when he forced his way into the ML rotation before once again getting hurt.

Holland will be fine.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

who all is down on Holland. I just was never surprised that Harden was given more chances given Holland’s performance to date.

Hopefully Holland turns it around this year though, or his chances for next years rotation are probably not all that great.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you familiar with their salaries?
I just was never surprised that Harden was given more chances given Holland’s performance to date.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he had 100IP as a starter

or a RP then I might agree. But because of the way he was rushed to the MLs, his use as a RP/SP last year and his injury this year, I am not sure the Levine Criteria applies. Give hiom 20-25 consecutive starts and then we will have a better idea of what Derek Holland can be.

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's had 139 IP

as a starter.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not arguing any of this - but

Here are my random thoughts on this:

1. In 3 starts and 20+ IP before he hurts his knee, his era was 3 something, right (not counting the relief appearance that seemed like a bad idea at the time).
2. In his first 20 ml starts he was 1 out from a 1 hitter and threw a complete game 3 hitter against a team that won over 95 games and had one ofnthe better offenses of the past several seasons.
3. He had a very high babip rate last yr.
4. He (beforenhis last appearances) had a very good k/bb rate and a very good k/ip rate. This is correct I assume.
5. His problem seems to be that he suffers from too many home runs, yet his rate in the minors in 06-07 was outstanding.

Seems to me, that he has outstanding stuff and know how to be pitch, but is still learning to command his fb and the time lost to injury is yr has hurt e development of the offspead stuff (which was getting veryngood reports in April).

Seems odd that kirkman, bases on 2 relief appearances would now all of a sudden be the better prospect.

But what the hell do I know.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meant 07-08

Haven’t slept in 2 days as I’m waiting to get a flight back to dallas from Vegas after mine was cancelled.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

number 5

is due to his propensity to put FB in the middle of the plate. Even Cliff Lee can’t get away with that.

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

he just gets in done in any future starts this year and stops hanging meat across the middle of the plate with runners on.

I think a strong stretch run would help him tremendously for next year, if he is given the chance.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Which is main reason why i want him to replace harden. I think with regular ml work it will greatly increase his chance to contribute in a meaningful way in 11

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know we've debated this topic a lot lately...

but would you make the switch after last night and put Holland in the rotation and bump Harden?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I would throw a dart in the dark and see if harden, in very short doses could find his command and extra vela and maybe, maybe, fill the franky void. Though i suspect failure. In a big way.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly,

I’m fine with whatever the Rangers do. I don’t think either pitcher will be significant players down the stretch, which would tend to put me on the side of going with Holland.

However, I’m not gonna be one of the kneejerkers losing it if they stick with Harden.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

After Harden has once again struggled after getting yet another last chance to keep his spot, I’m ready to go with Holland for the remaining starts and take my chances with him. Its not going to be worse than Harden and at least Holland can get some significant ML innings after not pitching up here much this season.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 29, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine

the Rangers would go with Holland, but it’s not like Holland’s performance last night was all that crisp. He missed the 7th being exremely ugly by a few feet.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again...

he did struggle with his command a little, but the only run he gave up should have never happened. He K’d Suzuki on that 1-2 pitch that wasn’t called before the double.

It’s about the future right now with Holland. The Rangers have the West won and Holland’s performance may not have been great, but it was certainly better than Harden’s. Roll with Holland and give him a shot to show what he can do. Harden has had plenty of chances.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Folks need to get over

pitches that aren’t called strikes. They happen to all pitchers, and aren’t unique to Ranger prospects.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but

it doesn’t mean that we should count it against a pitcher either.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 29, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you probably should.

because I doubt they disproportionately occur to Holland. He is just going to have to get over them like all pitchers.

As I said before, hopefully Holland starts stepping it up, so he doesn’t have to rely on excuses and can instead point to performance.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya you should

Because it evens out w/ wide strikezones too. Besides, a good pitcher will overcome a bad umpire more times than not. Who’s gonna remember missed strike calls looking at season totals?

by booyakasha on Aug 29, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you are looking at who deserves to be starting over someone else

You aren’t looking at will it even out or not. Holland looked good in that last game and minus the double that shouldn’t have happened, his line reflects that as well.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine...

even with that he still pitched much better than Harden did. There’s really no argument there.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much work would either get in the playoffs anyways?

Pardon my ignorance, but do we not roll w/ just 4 starters w/ travel days and what not?

by booyakasha on Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine

either of them can chase out one of Lee/Lewis/Wilson/Hunter. I think there is a good chance neither Hunter or Holland finds their way to the postseason roster.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think either...

will get much work in the playoffs. I don’t think Harden will even make the roster and if Holland does it will be as a lefty in the ’pen.

As Dan said above, I’m just hoping he can perform well the last month or so of the season so he will have a chance to make the rotation next year. As you can probably tell, I’m very high on Holland.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

If something similar to last night happens

in the postseason, I see Harrison being a much more likely long-relief LHP. I’m with you about Holland’s future tho.

by booyakasha on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

idk

The rotation is full right now. Harden has to keep getting chances to be the Ace that they signed.

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

here
• Major league ballplayers tend to peak between age 26 and age 31
• 90 percent of hitters reach their career norms after amassing 750 at-bats in the big leagues
• 82 percent of pitchers reach their career norms after logging 100 innings in the big leagues

link

It's fun to do bad things.

by tricer on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't clear from that if that's "they hit their norms after this mark"

or “at this mark they’ve already shown their career norms.” 100IP seems like it would still be prone to being pushed up by very early struggles. But then again, Holland so far doesn’t look much better in his >100th innings…

On the other hand, guys who were accelerated rapidly like Holland seem like the most likely guys to be in the other 18% to me. If brought up too fast, it could take them longer before they were really ready…

by Closure GT on Aug 29, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

link

http://www.newbergreport.com/article.asp?articleid=1451

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's wrong

If you brought Martin Perez up here this year and he posted a 6.00 ERA in 100 innings, it doesn’t mean that’s what he is.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not my study

just reporting. Also, there is only roughly a 4/5 chance that Holland has reached his career norms according to the study.

As I said above, 100 IP (half a season roughly for a starter) intuitively seems too little. My suspicion is more like 250 IP, which is more like a season and a quarter, but then, I haven’t done the study.

However, whatever Thad’s conclusions, they become important just due to his role with the Rangers.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

If there’s an 80% chance this is what Holland is, they should have been desperately trying to trade him before the deadline, since he likely won’t have an MLB career.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling that there is more to that study

then what Jamey reported. Maybe it is 750 ABs and 100IP when they reach the 26-31 age group. I think that the younger the player, the more variabilty from thier peak, the less valid the study becomes.

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

We should trade Elvis Andrus

He’s had 750 ABs. If this is what he is, then his perceived value is a lot higher than his actual value, since teams will be assuming that a 21 year old shortstop with his talent will improve, rather than realizing that this is what his career norm is.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the first so many

ABs or IPs don’t count, then the rational thing to do would be not pull players up until you absolutely have to, because the value you receive from controlling, say, the Age 26 and Age 27 seasons are significantly more valuable than the 20 and 21 seasons.

Bringing up a player early is just bad roster management if you don’t believe they reach their career normal trajectory fairly early and it is all age related.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say they don't count

And you are mixing up someone being able to be a major league contributor at a very early age with that player establishing at that age what they are.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

the Rangers think players establish form fairly early. As far as Andrus goes, he is a midpack SS right now. Even if that is pretty close to what he ends up, we would need to receive a lot in trade to buy out 4 years of that for next to nothing.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

the Rangers all clubs think players establish form fairly early. In Elvis’s case, I think it’s OK, but I don’t like the trend of late.

by booyakasha on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if he stagnates

he still is a league average or better SS. If someone were to make us an offer as if he is going to be a superstar SS, I think we’d be silly not to listen.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

unless you have a young superstar like Evan Longoria, it is always silly to assume a player will become or remain a top player indefinitely.

What is fair to say is that with Elvis Andrus, the Rangers have a young kid who has reached a level of performance that has some value to the team even if he doesn’t continue to improve. But given his age and the fact that his weaknesses are aspects of the game that typically improve with age, it is reasonable to expect that he will get better.

With Derek Holland or Matt Harrison or other young pitchers with great stuff and mediocre results, you’d like to say the same thing, but you aren’t always able to. Because it is often hard for pitchers to learn to pitch smart – and you have to be smart to get good ML hitters out.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Rangers think Elvis...

…is as good now as he’s ever going to be, they should deal him, because the value they get in return isn’t likely to be 4 years of a mid-pack SS.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think part of it is how you weight performance

You don’t need to be an all-star in two years to ever be an all-star. But you’d better show some potential.

On the one hand, you have demonstrable failures, like Jason Botts, who never show anything in his major league stint.

But Derek Holland has shown some promise in his. Elvis has shown a whole lot of promise in his. I think almost any baseball mind would say that Elvis, for where he is now, is going to be very good in the near future.

The Levine criteria are an excellent excuse to discard the Jason Botts’s into the trash and never look back when they give you NOTHING for 3 years. But if a player gives some signs of being capable of reaching his potential at the big league level, even a Chris Davis like burst of success, you have to adjust your measuring stick.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well they did trade

Salty after 794 MLB ABs, and they have moved Davis to Siberia after 787 ABs, so I do think the Rangers do pay attention to the Levine Criteria.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they do

That isn’t my point. I think it is smart to dump players due to the Levine criteria if they show nothing in the big leagues, like Botts and Salty. Or a huge weakness that opposing teams exploit like Davis.

I’m not a huge Holland fan, but I know that he has shown more promise at the big league level than any of those hitters ever did (even Davis, whose success was littered with more red flags than the USSR). And that has to be factored in when imposing the Levine threshold.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you agreeing with me

or just trying to be argumentive? :)

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont really think

the nationals did anything wrong in the strasburg saga

by shock00 on Aug 29, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I personally blame Peter Angelos

he’s one of the evil owners and it is in his interest for the Nats to remain uninterested. So in my need for someone to blame, I look to him.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lawyers generally suck...

(except our lawyer owner)

by ab03 on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes we do. Not literally, just figuratively.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Aug 29, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

not so fast, my friend

this guy begs to differ.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 29, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, actually I guess he didn't do the sucking

so technically you’re right.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 29, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, suite night stories!

How was it? Did the room recover after the early lull and bond in collective frustration over that performance?

"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan

by Conjunction on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Ben can come along and tell his story again.....

about how a deaf mute bum tried to man rape him in a park down in Austin.

Actually….the visuals made the story…lol.

Member of the LSB Suite Night Club

by b.pate on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL Wow!

Be sure to visit Mosul's new blog at www.mosuldolfan.blogspot.com/
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman

by texascowpunk on Aug 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was just reading on mlbtraderumors

that a mystery team has claimed Mike Napoli from the angels. I have already convinced myself that the mystery team is the Rangers. I don’t really see the Tigers or White Sox claiming him and I can’t understand the Rangers not putting in a claim on him since he is a right handed power bat at the weakest position they have. Any thoughts?

Link

by trgordon723 on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Since the Angels seem intent on competing with Texas next year

I doubt they’d trade Napoli to us now.

However, Texas may have made the claim to block him from going to another playoff team.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think about that

I’m sure the Rays or Red Sox would jump at the chance to get Napoli

by trgordon723 on Aug 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Thats what I predicted when we first heard Napoli had been put on waivers

by bigsteve on Aug 29, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’d love to see Napoli catching for the Rangers in October instead of Molina/Treanor/TT, but the Halos won’t deal him to Texas right now.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Napoli would be an incredible platoon bat

Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!

by t ball on Aug 29, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

back from hawaii......

glad to see things have gotten better with a solid twins series and now a chance to take this series.

we need to catch the twins

by death of the cool on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I like Hawaii

I’m jealous

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

So

When I was in Fort Worth, I was listening to the Ticket. Norm Hitzges was hyping this segment of players to be “careful of” for fantasy football purposes — he was clear that he wasn’t saying not to draft them, but to be careful of them, because they may not be very good for fantasy purposes.

Two of his key guys were Marion Barber and Mark Sanchez.

I guess that’s why Norm gets the big bucks. Who would have thought on their own that Marion Barber or Mark Sanchez might not be good fantasy picks?

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh man

That destroyed me.

It shouldn’t, but it did.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, what (free) program should I use to upload the Chuck G vids?

Vimeo? Megaupload? I kinda want to embed them in a Fanpost….don’t know which one allows me to do that or if there’s something else I can use.

Thanks!

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 29, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, good call.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Someone tweeted earlier that Nelly is at the ballpark today...

would love his bat in the lineup against a LHP.

"No nuts, no glory"

by coolaid on Aug 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

He'll start tomorrow

Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.

by Pith on Aug 29, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
aandro: #Rangers lineup – Blanco, Young, Hamilton, Guerrero, Cantu, Murphy, Molina, Cora, Borbon.

Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.

by Pith on Aug 29, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Over/under...

1.5 runs scored by that lineup.

"No nuts, no glory"

by coolaid on Aug 29, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Gio pitching?

Give me the under

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Aug 29, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basically

That’s the same lineup we’ve been running out there regularly for a while, except Cora is playing instead of Andrus, and Cantu instead of Moreland.

Are Elvis and Moreland really worth 3-4 runs per game?

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Afternoon game with a LHP starting...

and Colbyashi pitching (in the last seven games started by Colbyashi the Rangers have scored a TOTAL of 11 runs)? I don’t have much hope of this lineup doing much.

Random note: I love how Boggs hasn’t started a game in a week and this is the 5th LHP we are facing.

"No nuts, no glory"

by coolaid on Aug 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

the fact that Moreland got the start in RF last night against a LHP doesn’t say much for Boggs’ role on this team.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The over/under for the game as a whole is 8

I’m assuming you’re going to be calling Vegas and putting a bunch of money down.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I knew shit about betting...

I would.

We have a guy with a .314 OBP this year leading off (.300 in his career) in this game, Young has been in a horrible slump, Hamilton struggles in day games (or use to, don’t know but he obviously isn’t the same guy against LHP), Cantu hitting 5th (his career numbers are ok but he has sucked this year especially since coming over to the Rangers), Murphy against a LHP, Molina (who is reaching CD level suck) and Borbon against a LHP.

And the Rangers have averaged 3.7 runs since the TB series (basically since Nelly went down). Accounting for facing a LHP, Moreland and Elvis (and Treanor) not being in the lineup, I don’t know what’s so crazy about my comment.

"No nuts, no glory"

by coolaid on Aug 29, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you really think...

…this lineup isn’t likely to score more than 1 run, then the Rangers need to hope Cliff Lee cleared waivers and trade him to the Yankees for Montero, and give up hoping to compete in the playoffs, because this will be 1999 all over again, where the team scores 1 or 2 runs all series.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't get enough sleep last night

Grouchy head.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Aug 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I already did

They will score 40 runs today

"Support the Dutch Oven"

by RangerFloppy on Aug 29, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Judy's last 12 games

all starts in CF: .268/.302/.293. That includes a .355 babip, 10 Ks and 2 BBs. Ron is giving him the opportunity to work out of his slump.

by RangerMad on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't appear

to be doing much of a job at it.

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any one else see a recurring trend as of late with the morning notes?

No JFE write ups anymore. Maybe the FWST finally realized she’d never write anything good about the Rangers.

Serves her right.

"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10

by IrishP1 on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

so

anyone at that LSB nite, care to let us know what Chuck said about present and future things regarding the rangers??

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Though there's no basis...

for thinking so based on anything he actually said, I’m going to go ahead and label Chuck “pro-beer store.”

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

More importantly

what’s Chuck’s stance on the mantis?

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Aug 29, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI from last night

The Colts are 4-20 in the preseason since 2005.

Fuck Arias

by hornedfrogs45 on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

and did they not see the

Cowboys last night :)

"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then stop talking to Sharky on facebook.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 29, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I was wondering who the dude with the statuses about how important offensive coordinators are was.

by philkid3 on Aug 29, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're Cowboy fans who are upset

that they’re not the only game in town.

And when the Rangers are playing deep into October and the hopes that the Cowboys will have a home Super Bowl are already fading, it will only get worse.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could they be falling apart with a 8.5 game lead?

People who don’t care about the rangers or baseball shouldn’t be allowed to talk about them and act like they do know about them.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

My blog: That's baseball for you

by iorange555 on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re Holland (not replying to anyone in particular)...

his career FIP is 5.15 (worse than Hunter) and his xFIP is 4.46 (better than Hunter).

"No nuts, no glory"

by coolaid on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Velazquez

Has there been any update on his situation?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Nellie said the trainers discovered that his quads were not strong enough

Putting stress on his hamstrings, and that’s what he was working on while on the DL.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Aug 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot, Face.

For the record, I like Michael Young, but his defense is, well, indefensible. Don't believe me? Click here, then here and here.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 29, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Great 1st for Colby.

For the record, I like Michael Young, but his defense is, well, indefensible. Don't believe me? Click here, then here and here.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 29, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Texas Rangers.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Ijnq0k_small
The Hunt for Mike E
180px-angry_dome_small
Tailgate IV -- Post #2
Nerds_small
OT CFB: NATIONAL SIGNING DAY THREAD

Recent FanPosts

Matchstick_small
NBA Thread: 2/13/2012
Macho_man_randy_savage_small
2-13 OT 3
Fishing_small
OT II
Neftali_old_timey_small
2/13/2012 OT
Macho_man_randy_savage_small
Late Night LSB
Macho_man_randy_savage_small
Sunday 2-12 OT
Macho_man_randy_savage_small
Weekend OT Thread
Fishing_small
OT III night moves
Fishing_small
OT II its f'n friday, man.
180px-angry_dome_small
feb 10 OT

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Manager

Th_buckykatt_small Adam J. Morris

Editor

477845_small ghostofErikThompson

Author

Matchstick_small matchst1ck