Wednesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:05 AM CDT
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PrintThis team is maddening sometimes. Bad Cliff Lee showed up, the pitchers made three errors (although only two were "official" errors), and Alexi Ogando had about as bad a relief outing as I've seen, walking Yuniesky Betancourt on four pitches, with the second ball a pitch that was a great Matt Treanor stop away from being a walk-off wild pitch, and the fourth ball being a walk-off wild pitch.
Jeff Wilson's game story has Cliff Lee saying that, with the amount of runs the team scored, they should have won the game, and that he didn't do a good job keeping the team in the game.
In T.R. Sullivan's game story, Matt Treanor accepts the blame for allowing the game-winning wild pitch to get by, although from this viewer's perspective, it was an awful pitch that Treanor would have had to have been extremely lucky to block.
Richard Durrett has post-game quotes from Lee on his start.
Wilson has a story about Josh Hamilton's balky knee...the feeling is the shot and day off today, and the day off tomorrow, should have Hamilton ready to go on Friday against Minnesota, but the Rangers will consider giving him more days off or using him at DH to try to rest his knee.
There's another option for the Rangers to look at when Hamilton is sitting, with Jeff Francoeur joining the team, in a deal for Joaquin Arias plus cash (the Mets are paying the difference in salaries). Brandon Boggs, who is out of options after this season and pretty clearly not in the team's long-term plans, was designated for assignment to make room for Francoeur, and I'm not sure if the Rangers will try to run him through waivers, or will seek to make a deal.
Dan Szymborski makes clear his disdain for the move, and Kevin Goldstein says the Rangers "have seemingly crossed the line from doing things to improve the club to grasping at straws." I got a message from a Mets blogger overnight, expressing his sorrow that we are stuck with Francoeur. The Twitterverse and blogosphere has generally been quite snarky and critical of this move.
I don't get the derision, though. The Rangers gave up nothing to get him. He'll provide the Rangers with a backup outfielder and righthanded bench bat. He's not going to have a meaningful plate appearance against a righthanded pitcher this year, and he's been good enough against lefties that he's worth having on the bench. Given the lefty-heavy nature of the Ranger lineup, and the fact that Jorge Cantu is probably the best righthanded bench bat right now, it is a reasonable no-cost pickup.
As Jamey Newberg mentioned this morning, this is a move that is ignored if it is a different player, but because it is Frenchy, who was heralded as a stud, busted, and has been widely ridiculed for embracing his free-swinging, low-OBP ways while being lionized by the press, the move gets a lot more attention and a lot more of a reaction, whether justified or not.
Durrett has quotes from Francoeur about joining the Rangers.
T.R. Sullivan's notes include discussion of Rich Harden going to the bullpen and the expected roster expansion moves. Sullivan indicates a pitcher will be added today, and Ian Kinsler and Cristian Guzman activated from the disabled list, with more additions likely in the coming days.
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From here on out, I dub Jeff Francouer "Orkin"
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I'm on board for Dyson,
you know, because he might be a good suck.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention they can shove him in a closet when they're done with him.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no shit
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Its hard to believe there is that much talk
over the Rangers making a crap for crap trade to try and improve on some bench depth.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Francouer is so bad
And Wash is bound to give him starts.
If he is only here for September, then clearly I’m alright with it.
If he is on the playoff roster, though, our team potentially just got worse.
How did the team get worse if he's on the playoff roster?
You think Washington is going to start him in the playoffs just for the sake of starting him?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
No, but I think he provides a downgrade defensively from anyone on the team.
And I’m not convinced that Murphy wouldn’t be better in his current groove than Francouer.
I don’t think he makes our team significantly worse, as he’d only be a bench bat. But worse nonetheless.
I still haven't taken the time to learn the many different fielding stats
But I trust fangraphs, and they have a “FLD” rating:
Last 3 years:
Murphy: 5.3, 2.3, 3.4
Franc: -2.4, -2.8, 1.8
wOBA, fwiw
against lefties
Murphy: .330 wOBA
Franc: .320 wOBA.
I’d rather have Taveras, Teagarden, or someone who provides a tangible value to our team on the playoff roster.
Not a 0 WAR 5th OF without speed, power, defense, or on-base skills.
Murphy historically has not hit lefties well
I don’t have much faith in him continuing to hit lefties as well as he has so far this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree... SSS and all
But the point is Murphy is in a groove right now, and it’s not like Franc is going to come in and provide a large enough upgrade for 1-3 at bats in the post season to warrant a spot.
Well, let's look at it more negatively
Hamilton is hurt right now, and what if (please don’t happen, please don’t happen) he can’t play in October, or can only DH.
That means Murphy is going to be your starting left fielder, probably regardless of who is pitching. And then you really are in need of at least a few options for a 4th / 5th outfielder on the roster.
Having Frenchy in here allows the team some flexibility come time to construct rosters.
Go Rice Owls!
I guess
But if Hamilton is injured, I’m not too excited about the playoffs either way.
To be clear, I like the trade if it’s merely intended to afford the OF’s September rest. I’m not going to enjoy seeing Francouer on our playoff squad, though.
yeah
I don’t think it really matters if Francoeur is on the playoff roster or not. I think all the worry over the 25th man who will get about 3 innings in the field and two pinch hit ABs really doesn’t matter at all. When people were fighting Adam about Willy Tavares the other day, I thought the same thing.
In the playoffs, the OF will be Hammy, Borbon, Cruz every day, Vlad at DH, and Murphy as the #1 pinch hitter option. Same as it really has been all year. If Frenchy is on the team, he’ll get a few ABs against guys like Fuentes late in games, but that is it.
Go Rice Owls!
those numbers are this year
and Murphy’s BABIP against lefties this year is 337. I doubt that holds up.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Okay
If the final spot on the bench is Francoeur or Guzman, you think Guzman is a better option?
Or Francoeur and Cora?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd argue to only carry Blanco and Cantu as IF reserves
And use the other bench spot (other than backup C) as a pinch-runner, like you’ve suggested. I do not want Molina/Treanor/Vlad on the base paths at crucial moments.
I agree that it’d be nice to have a better bench bat than Cantu, but I don’t think Francouer provides that.
Well
I’m assuming you carry 10 pitches for the ALDS.
That gives you 6 bench players:
Borbon
Taveras
Treanor
Cantu
Blanco
That still leaves one spot.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Fruit Loops
but I’m also carrying Big Gun Tommy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
This reminds me...
Moreland is now Mo’ Money.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
MikeEl is right, you can do better
We all know you have the time.
That's weak, you have lots to play with with that name.
You can do better, Hoops.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I think with a name like "Moreland" you could do something like,
Manifest Destiny. You know, our given right to have “More Land”. Think about it.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maniifest Destiny was mine a few weeks ago in a GDT
and it got pretty universally shut down.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
damn it.
worth a shot.
didn’t mean to steal that from ya. haven’t been to a GDT in a while.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
nah
we’re cool. The irony of one person “stealing” manifest destiny from another? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
history is recursive, no?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
um
I’m not sure what to say on that one. It’s not like the rest of LSB has stepped up and come up with a good one for Mitchell, but “Mo’ Money?” It doesn’t feel right…
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Thats because its a stupid nickanme
Josey sometimes tries too hard. He needs to just let the game come to him
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Tex hit his 30th last night Gdawg.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Cool
I’m sure he’ll hit at least 10 more this season and prove that he is a HOF player.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Simply building his resume.
With good health and clean drug tests, 2028 still looks just about right for Cooperstown.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I know
that’s why I quoted you in my signature. I’ll save a seat for you in the front row of that induction ceremony.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I heard Sterlings call of it
and I think I’ve figured out that Josey really is Sterling. bad analysis and stupid nicknames combined.
He said that there was a Tex message sent to the right field bleachers.
Mal: Well, quite a lot of fuss. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were dangerous.
it's a recycled nickname which is lame....
Mickey Tettleton was called Fruit Loops, some wirter suggested that TT could have a similar career….so, now we’re here.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Some writer
3 years ago said that TT might be close to Tettleton. Its such a stupid, stupid reason to give him that nickname.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'd love to see him "hit" in the playoffs.
I’d love all of our hitters to hit in the playoffs.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think based on what we've seen from Cantu this year,
Francoeur is, potentially, the better bat against lefties. The guy isn’t here to be a defensive replacement, he isn’t here to get on base. He’s here to hit .300 against lefties off the bench. That is more valuable than whatever Cantu has provided in his short time here.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Guzman.
I’d rather have more than 1 utility guy given Kinsler’s injuries lately. I probably would also rather have Tavares on the team too, but that could even be over Borbon.
You posted his WARs yesterday
noting they are all around 0.
Well, that is a replacement level player. And replacement level players are common to see on even good big league rosters in September. He fills a whole with replacement level production, which means at least the team is not getting sub-replacement level production, which they probably would have with someone internally.
add in that as mediocre/bad as he has been, he actually has had success at the big league level in a different life, he is far from an unreasonable acquisition; given that he was free…
Go Rice Owls!
If he is on our playoff roster
Its as a bench bat to bring up for someone like Borbon or Molina late in the game or to give Hamilton some rest late in the game if the team has a big lead. Scenarios like this are how Francoeur will get playing time. He’s not going to start over any other OF we have.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Agreed.
It was more a less a straight swap. If Frenchy doesnt work out we lost Arais this way instead of just releasing him outright. I doubt we intend to keep him past this season.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
hey GoET, your haters gonna hate shirt has arrived...
Let me know where you want it sent via my email addy.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
I think there should be coverage on anything that has the potential to pay dividends for us
Even with the dissapointing performances of most of our midseason acquisitions.
It’s not like the trade is the lead-in story on SC, but hell….seemingly minor late season additions always have an impact. IE Dave Roberts?
It’s more than just a blip on the radar.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree there should be more coverage
Except that you said disapointing performances from most midseason acquisitions. I would argue that ALL midseason acquisitions have disapointed with there performances. So you are right that there should be more coverage because one move has to work out & maybe Francouer can produce something possitive to not make all the moves worthless.
by Linedrive222 on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't he the other half of a platoon with
David Murphy? Hits lefties instead of righties, plays a reasonably decent but not great OF like Murphy?
I think the 2 players in a platoon really makes a strong OF with Hammy and Cruz.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I'm sure the Braves and Mets have said this at some point in the last few years.
He’s yet to improve a team, though.
I don't see
making him a starter or counting on him for much other than the lefty hitting part of the platoon that plays the 1/3 or so of the games that we play against lefties.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I'd go with quite a bit of Murphy in CF for the rest of the month
with Josh getting 15-20 games at DH and 10 games off the rest of the way.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Murphy is fairly bad
in CF defensively.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
8.5 game lead with 30 to play, homes. We're dribbling the clock out.
I’m not starting Judy Borbon in any post-season games this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
im almost at the point they should play borbon
try ONE more time (week and a half or so) to get him jumpstarted then just let him be
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And hit your head against the wall one more time
thinking it will feel different?
He looks, feels and smells like dogshit.
Try again next spring, Judy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
the point
is that if he gets his shit together, its a HUGE bonus for a team that needs to move hamilton out of CF ASAP.
if he doesnt, well then you can go back to murphy
damn i wish gentry was healthy.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Murph wasn't that far away from where the ball landed.
And his CF range is notably poor.
The ball was in the air for awhile.
I watched it in person..
and the ball was quite a ways from him, it split the gap. It was a lined shot not a fly ball. I said to myself at the time there’s no way anyone would of had that.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
I saw it on TV and in slow-motion
So I got a better look at it…..
We’re both speculating, so I’m not saying you’re right, I’m wrong. Just that on TV gives a better look than in person.
as long as it doesn't become a much closer race
I could get on board with this. But I’d rather battle it out for HFA…
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Agreed.
I’m more than willing to give anybody a shot against lefties. Lefties own our lineup as it is.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 1, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
The potential wrinkle there is that it means Josh is playing CF in a Cruz/Hamilton/Francoeur alignment, and I’m not sure how much they want him out there with his knee.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Josh really shouldn't play CF any more at all this year
and probably shouldn’t be in left more than half the remaining games
Go Rice Owls!
I'm fine with the Francouer move.
You gave up nothing to get him, there’s not a huge financial commitment and this team has had a glaring need for RH hitting OF to bookend with Murphy since Opening Day.
We’re gonna see DPrice, CC, Liriano, Duensing and probably 4 LHs in a row at Oakland later this month.
This is good move with no downside and tons of upside.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
should say "DPrice, CC, Liriano, Duensing in October"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Lol
It’s a baseball discussion forum. Relax.
And, I’m not going to let someone say that a 0 WAR bench bat has tons of upside. That’s just dumb.
no biggie
just kinda got tired hearing how terrible this guy is. I’m not a fan of his either but if used properly this is a decent move.
he is pretty terrible.
i fail to see how there is even an argument about this.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Francoeur is not good at playing baseball
That is all.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
i do like Failcoeur.
i’m in favor of that.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well
the move has zero downside – Arias was essentially gone anyway. And if it means that Wash is comfortable giving Hamilton a few more games off down the stretch during some of the lefty-heavy stretches, I’d say that is tons of upside
Go Rice Owls!
Tons of upside...
Do you wanna see Murphy up against the best LH starting pitchers in The Show when it matters most?
I don’t .
Very good move by JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"when it matters most"
is in the playoffs, which Murphy will be nicely positioned next to Cantu, Blanco, and Guzman in the dugout.
I too think it is a good move though.
Go Rice Owls!
While
While I like to see you giving Daniels Props for the move.
I’m unsure it rises to “very good”. Franceour is a replacement level bat and a statue in the field with a good arm. The only way this is a plus for us is that Arias is so putrid that getting rid of him makes the team better.
on another note, I’m frankly appalled by Washingtons lineup decision last night. Lee allows a lot of balls in play, and he’s been struggling his last 5 starts. Wash looked at the available outfielders and put the three out there who were the WORST possible defensive configuration. (well, worst sane configuration, he could have put Benji in center flanked by a couple of potted plants….) Murphy is not a good centerfielder. Vlad is not a good outfielder at all, and while Cruz is very good, he’s not all that comfortable with left field. an outfield of Murphy in left, Borbon in center, and Cruz in right probably wins the game, and Guerrero gets a night off as well. and you have Guerrero available to pinch hit with a chance to win the game late.
Mal: Well, quite a lot of fuss. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were dangerous.
Unless you put him at DH
and put Guerrero in the field, I don’t see LF or RF being significantly better on his knee.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Before people go and jump off a Cliff
Let me just say happy September 1st to the division leading Rangers. I’m going to enjoy the hell out of this month, no matter what Josh’s knee or Mr. Lee’s location has to say about it.
Go Rangers.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
You should enjoy it.
It’s been a while. The knee concerns me more than Mr. Lee’s recent struggles.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
But, but Lee's throwing games!! And he doesn't want to be a Ranger!
you know….all that jazz…..
BTW, I completely agree with you….this is something none of us have seen in a long time and I am going to savor this…
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
my only concern is that the Rangers might go one and done in the playoffs, which would make the Lee acquisition extremely expensive.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
That's always a risk.
Who remembers Harold Baines? He was hitting .321 when we got him and while he dident hit too badly the rest of the year it was not worth the trade off. But thats just how it goes. You have to get into post season before you can worry about it.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
This.
I would rather look back on this season and know that at least we put ourselves in a position to win a few playoff series than be pissed that we didn’t make an acquisition for one of the best pitchers in baseball.
by michael bluth on Sep 1, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
We used to moan about the front office refusing to try and improve the team for the late season run or that when they did they would make some crazy one sided trade. Am i happy about how he has pitched? No. But he’s Cliff Lee. No one saw this coming. I really hope he gets it sorted out.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
We were going to the playoffs
with or without Lee, which has been demonstrated with Lee having amongst the worst results of any of our pitchers, and we still are going to the postseason.
We are 3-9 in Lee’s starts. I suspect we do that well with Holland or Feldman in there.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Its a risk you take
And when you haven’t made the playoffs in a decade and have one playoff game victory in your team’s history, I understand trying to take advantage of the opportunity. It might be expensive, but given what Smoak and Beavan have done since the trade, it leads me to be a bit more optimistic that the draft picks (if Lee doesn’t resign) will help make up for giving up those 2 players.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yeah, I don't think what's happened since the trade means the process was necessarily bad.
But it sure hasn’t made me feel better about a process that I disagreed with.
Smoak failing does, though.
Pfft
I knew it ahead of time. At the time of the trade it was a foregone conclusion that we were gonna win the west, and the success or fail of the trade would be based on the postseason.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I was pretty sure we'd win the West as well,
but if you had told me we’d go 3-9 in the starts of the guy we were replacing with Lee, and that we’d lose a lot of Colby’s starts as well, I wouldn’t have expected the Angels and A’s to do badly enough that we’d still have a comfortable lead.
I'M SO EXCITED
I’M SO EXCITED
I’M SO… SCARED
/Jessie Spano
formerly cmk
by Mr. Fiction on Sep 1, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well done
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Greatness
My unconscious and childhood both thank you.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Sep 1, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So Josh is getting the same Synvisc injection that caused his knee
to blow up and require drainage in July during the Boston series. Awesome
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Thats what I mean.
For them to be taking such drastic steps to get him through the season make me believe it’s worse than he would like to let on. Josh is a gamer and if he is concerned it must really be hurting.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
well not only that but
of the 5 brands of injectable knee fluid, Synvisc has the highest rate of bad reactions. He already experienced a bad reaction in Boston so I cannot imagine being so stupid as to inject the same stuff in him again.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Nadel said last night the injection requires 48 hours of rest
Didn’t see that in the story.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The fact that John Daniels was able to convince a team to not just take Arias off of our hands, but also give us cash in the process...
is pretty impressive.
by michael bluth on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
JD never ceases to amaze me.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember one thing
it’s the Mets we’re talking here (from a Mets fan)
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
How about I like very thin pancakes?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
yeah, okay, that'll work.
no, i’m not gonna say it!
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
No way Peppy Le Peu.
These colors don’t run.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I wouldn't have said it either.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
iblum
I laughed my ass off last night and thought of you when they put up Lee’s quote about all his problems having to do with location.
No bullshit excuses about bad luck, BABIP, FIPs, DIPS, XFIPS, tERA blah, blah, blah.
Location, location, location.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
How many pitchers do you think
a) understand and use those stats
and
b) would ever talk about that to the press and blame someone other than themselves
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Hmmm
Full season BABIP for Cliff Lee: .325
last 30 days BABIP for Cliff Lee: .419
other stats for him in the last 30 days: HR/FB%: 14% LD% 18.5 % (Colby’s is 19.3%, Darrin Oliver’s is 45%) K/9 10.37, ERA 6.75, FIP 3.13, xFIP, 2.62, LOB% 50.4%
just to break that down for the troglydites out there: BABIP is batting average on balls in play, meaning not homers. HR/FB% is the number of Home runs hit per fly ball. LD% is the percentage of balls hit which were line drives. FIP and xFIP are different fielding independent pitching measures, and LOB% is the percentage of batters left on base.
Personally I believe that a high BABIP actually does say something about a pitcher. Basically, he’s been throwing too many meatballs and hitters have been hitting the ball very hard against him. But these things can turn. Lee’s BABIP for July was .220 and his LOB% was 73.5, hence the 2.55 ERA. in June it was .255 but a LOB% of 89.2% gave him an ERA of 1.76
Sir Warwick Harrow: I know him, and I think he's a psychotic lowlife.
Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community.
"Personally I believe that a high BABIP actually does say something about a pitcher."
I think it may say something about a pitcher, far more likely than would a low BABIP. Like you say, too many meatballs. But I don’t think it’s necessarily saying that, and you need to look deeper to be sure on a case-by-case basis.
his line drive percentage is up
and on a more anectdotal sense, there have been more “hard hit” balls lately.
Sir Warwick Harrow: I know him, and I think he's a psychotic lowlife.
Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community.
This is good.
I mean from an analysis standpoint moving beyond just BABIP. Not that his LD rate being up is good.
French makes a lot of sense
We gave up absolutely nothing for him and acquired a decent player to bat against lefties. I don’t get the outrage.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Sep 1, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
I don't think many are outraged.
I don’t know how you can be outraged at a bench bat acquisition.
I would just rather not see him on our playoff squad.
Are you going to reply to every comment about Francoeur?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
considering it doesn't have to be finalized today
I think I’ll watch him for a bit, and then form my opinion when the time comes to finalize the playoff roster.
In the meantime I will enjoy the fact that Arias is gone, and the Rangers have an 8.5 game lead.
I don't think there's outrage....
there was more elation last night that Arias was finally gone AND that JD managed to get someone for him….and some cash!
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Lee, Harrison, and Ogando
were just terrible. Why does Wash have to change pitchers so often? It’s like he keeps changing until he finds one that doesn’t have it. Kirkman and Oday were fine. Leave them alone and win the damn game.
I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.
I wanted to see Kirkman go a little longer personally.
But, fuck me, right?
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You overdose on special K, you're gonna start jumping off buildings..thinking you can fly and shit.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Like this dude?
NYC Man Plunges 40 Stories, Lands on Car, Survives
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Looks like someone's seen Crank one too many times
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Haha, I watched that last weekend
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
OT: Just recently re-watched Return to Oz
Oh, hey there, childhood trauma. How the hell is this a kid’s movie?
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
the original scared the holy bejesus out of me when I was kid
flying monkeys… melting screaming withces
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Dear Rangers Fans
Mets fan here, and not a troll. Just wanted to thank your organization for taking Frenchy. I have anger management issues, and can’t afford any more broken TV sets. With Failcoeur gone, I think I can safely return to watching Mets baseball…until Jerry Manuel bunts with two on and none out…again.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
We received a living, breathing human being + cash for Arias.
I call that a fleecing.
by blakethegr8 on Sep 1, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, LISTEN TO THIS MAN!!!
Frenchy is not good at baseball. In fact, he’s quite mediocre and by all indications is oblivious to his mediocrity.
But dear Lord, you have to investigate who we traded and his history. This isn’t even a remotely fringy prospect. THIS IS JOAQUIN FREAKING ARIAS.
As bad as Francoeur is, Arias is much, much worse. He’s a slap hitter with speed who is terrible at fielding and terrible at baserunning. That = less than no value.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
agreed
but I don’t think Arias is going to get any significant playing time
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
If he does, then the Mets have even bigger problems than they do now
As our fearless blog leader said yesterday, this is basically exchanging your garbage for ours.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Or, as our dear friend dirk said once...
Dealing “our butt shit for someone else’s ass shit.”
tweet
The only way the Rangers lose trading Arias if it was for Mr. Met
myke22
by sam in so cal on Sep 1, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still take Mr. Met over the Rangers Captain.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Or until Arias drops 2 popups
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 1, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for stopping by.
We know your pain.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Shockingly short list of greviances from a Mets fan.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Before you thank the Rangers,
you might want to take a look at your most recent acquisition….
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... just wait
until you see Joaquin Arias play first base for your club.
BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA
(just make sure you have no weapons handy, the life you save may be your own)
Sir Warwick Harrow: I know him, and I think he's a psychotic lowlife.
Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community.
by iblum on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dont......
yall still have carlos beltran ruining yalls life?
Yanks claimed Lilly off waivers
and the Dodgers have pulled him back.
Hipsters, Flipsters, and Finger Poppin Daddies! Knock me your lobes.
im shocked he made it all the way to the yankees
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 1, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I am too, I've heard he's a legitimate ace who we should have acquired in 2007
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Sep 1, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bet his GameScore is usually pretty amazing as well.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Thank you!
That helps bring things back into prespective. It’s September and we are in FIRST PLACE!!
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
so much of my sports perspective was formed watching the early 90s Mavs
I remember waiting ever so patiently for them to win their first home game of the year….in January.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Wow.
THAT was some bad basketball.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
oh yeah
but, when the win it all, I can proudly say that I got in on the ground floor.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Funny...
i have been saying that about our Rangers for 30 years! LOL. Let’s hope you don’t have to wait much longer for a Mavs title. Fans deserve one.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
x
so much of my sports perspective was formed watching the early 90s Mavs
And you still like sports? That’s some dedication and tenacity…..
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
it was awesome
being a part of the 5000 people at Reunion Arena….The players could hear exactly what I was saying. I still own a Popeye Jones jersey…
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Heh....I actually went to a mall with the express purpose of getting
the autographs of….wait for it….wait for it…..
Tony Dumas and Lorenzo Williams…….
Hmmmm…that reminds me. I wonder whatever happened to Sean Rooks?
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
he ended up retiring in 04
who the hell woulda thought that his career would’ve lasted that long. Yeah…I recall fondly the greats suck as Darren Morningstar, Donald Hodge and Mike Izzulino.
Once year they were having part of their summer camp at Collin County Comm. College. I went and got not only autographs from some of the worst “players” ever to spend 8 seconds at camp, but I actually sat in Randy White’s car…a tricked out White Mercedes with a crazy stereo system. It was right after he got out of the casts from breaking both his arms….I honestly thought he was suprised that there were actually Mavs fans.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Juando had a pimp white 500SEL with a crazy stereo too
I linked it on craigslist a few months ago.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
yeh we know you told us before .....just kidding :)
Hey Rodney I can’t decide if I should go to the game tonight. It’s looking realllllly cloudy out but there are only so many opportunities left. The thing is I have soooo much work today but I may have to save it for another day :)
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
Have fun dude, and always wear a raincoat!
/innuendo
:)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
BTW, it does not look good for tonight
http://www.weather.com/weather/today/USMO0460
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
go go go
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Didn't Popeye
used to take his jersey off on the court after home games? now, if you had gotten one of those, then I’d be impressed. If you actually paid money for one of his jersey’s, well, lets just say I pity you.
Sir Warwick Harrow: I know him, and I think he's a psychotic lowlife.
Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community.
Legler
didn’t he know goal tending was illegal.
by volume_shooter on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Donald Hodge
says “what up”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Jesus Ron,
“He might be able to give us two innings of all-out baseball instead of having to go through an opposing lineup nine times,” Washington said
I guess he expects opposing lineups to bat around every inning against Harden.
In short he will have less innings to suck
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
When has a pitcher ever had to go through a lineup nine times?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 1, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Ole Big Jim Jumbo Catfish Ox Lefty/Right Sneed
did it back around the turn of the century in an exhibition game against the Louisville Mudcats. It was a 27-inning no-hit shutout complete game, in which he threw 121 pitches lefty, 122 righty, and struck out all 81 batters faced.
Rumor is he hit the game winning homerun, but it has neither been confirmed nor denied.
Face Post AS Break OPS
.765
Come off the bridge, haters.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
and he made some really nice plays on Monday, too....
he’s been strong this series….
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 1, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Chances that Face
can get to 200 hits and 200 plays made? (in zone) he’s curently at 155 and 173
Sir Warwick Harrow: I know him, and I think he's a psychotic lowlife.
Mal: And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community.
Just like earlier in the season
I hope this is the beginning of a great stretch for Young. We can definitely use some more offense to let Wash rest Hamilton more.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
with all of the hamilton stuff
someone needs to step up
i can only hope its FOTF lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop praising him when he does well...
and ignoring him when he’s not. I’m glad he has had a couple of nice games and hope it continues, but there’s no denying the struggles he has at had times this year, especially on defense.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This is why people hate you
We all praised Mike for the game last night, we are more than happy to give him praise when he is good. The difference is that we also can point out when he has been terrible, something that you cannot ever do.
Josey Wales is stupid
Why did Feliz enter the game and then leave?
I was otp.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Phone dummy
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Baseball Reference Similarity Scores
2) Kevin Mench
5) Marlon Byrd
7) Gabe Kapler
Nice to see those names again, and so soon!
Concerned about Hammy
I’m worried about his knee. Obviously there’s structural damage and repeated stress on the joint and cartilage damage is a risk factor for arthritis. It’s nice he’s gutting it out for us but he might be risking his long-term health as worst case he might need an arthroplasty. I’d hate to see him have this awesome comeback only to see it cut short because he’s going at it so hard.
Troy McClure: "Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy! If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!"
by stupidsexyflanders on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
information please
okay guys, here’s the deal. i’ve been a huge baseball fan probably longer than a lot of you have been alive, and have died a thousand deaths rooting for these rangers. i like the heck out of the way you all get behind the rangers and how you can talk smack about them but woe be unto the troll who attempts it. but, i grew up on W/L’s, ERA’s, and BA’s so all the metric stuff you folks speak around here makes my head spin. since i can’t spew stats with acronyms i don’t understand, i’m not less of a fan than y’all, just less informed. That being said, i have a question. is there an easy way for an old dog to learn sabermetrics, or enough to not feel like an idiot?
"If Nolan Ryan hadn't been born, Larry McMurtry would have made him up."
----Kevin Sherrington of the Dallas Morning News to Bud Selig.
seconding this
fan post or fan shot is best way
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Well.....
if you enjoy watching baseball these days without knowing all that saber mumbo jumbo…..then don’t worry about it.
If you feel you need to know more “stuff” to enjoy the game, then get learned.
I enjoy the game enough without needing to know a player’s BABIP…..so I’m content.
Member of the LSB Suite Night Club
....
the problem is that those people, likely including you actually say things that are wrong. It is fine to merely enjoy the game and not know those numbers, but then people like us have to get in arguments with people who use W/L to claim a pitchers dominance or RBIs to claim a hitter is among the best.
Then you are just being stupid
Josey Wales is stupid
Not necessarily
Some people may watch a Tommy Hunter start and be happy because he went 7 innings only giving up 1 run while K’ing only 2. You may see a lot of guys hitting weak grounders because his curveball is really on and hes mixing his pitches.
Others will view that same start as him getting lucky because he can’t “control” what happens when a batter hits it. They will say he can’t sustain that BABIP.
Its nice to know his FIP or xFIP or tRA is higher than his ERA and that we should expect less dominance down the road. But at the same time what he did and the results already done happened regardless of luck or any other factor no matter how much it falls in line with some of these advanced SABR stats
I don't think Longhorn is talking about people who are really happy about what's happened in Tommy Hunter's starts (to use your example) .
I don’t think he’s even talking about people who use those starts to assume Tommy Hunter is the best pitcher.
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the people who come to a place like this and tell everyone Tommy Hunter is the Ranger’s best pitcher and the RA and W-L in his starts is the entire reason.
Yeah I get that
And those are annoying.
But the guy who wants to know more about these advanced stats shouldn’t let them cloud his current view of the game. Use these advanced stats to enhance and add to the experience but don’t let them overtake his obvious love of the game.
The problem is that those people cant help but argue what they know
and therefore they end up arguing with people b/c as far as they are aware things like W/L are good stats
Josey Wales is stupid
Didn't mean to call you Longhorn.
I came back to this thread specifically because I realized I did that.
I’m very, very sorry.
I may say things that are wrong according to you, not stats......there's a difference.
I said this guy doesn’t need saber to enjoy a game and never said I was one of those people.
Member of the LSB Suite Night Club
thanks
i’ll cut and paste this into a fanshot.
bspate i don’t need to know it to enjoy the game more, just think knowing a little would help me enjoy LSB more…
"If Nolan Ryan hadn't been born, Larry McMurtry would have made him up."
----Kevin Sherrington of the Dallas Morning News to Bud Selig.
Nothing wrong
with being more informed so you can join in with all the others telling each other to STFU.
Meh.
So, Adam
What do you think about Murphy versus lefties, now that he’s hitting .290 against them (and is a career .269)?
I know, I know, if they had confidence in him they wouldn’t have gotten Francoeur…but still. He’s looked a tad better than you gave him credit for.
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