Derek Jeter, Fake HBPs, and Baseball Standards
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 11:41 AM CDT
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PrintOver at SBN-DFW, Brett Perryman takes Derek Jeter to task for faking being hit by a pitch last night, calling it a "despicable" act, and also gets onto the media for blessing Jeter's act. Brett says that Jeter cheated, and says it is no different than using a corked bat.
If you look at the photo on the right, Jeter certainly looks like he was hit, and injured, by a seventh inning pitch from Chad Qualls. Brett links the video of the play, and Jeter does an acting job that would be envied by Manu Ginobili or any French soccer player. He even lets the trainer come out and examine him, as if there was some question about whether he'd be able to stay in the game.
Jeter himself admitted after the game that the ball didn't hit him; it hit his bat. His explanation:
"He said it hit me, so I didn't argue."
Of course, as you can see from the photo and the video, Jeter did more than just not argue...he flat out faked being hit, sold the fake, and was awarded first base as a result, ultimately scoring on a Curtis Granderson home run. Jeter's explanation seems, to me, to be disingenuous.
This story is interesting to me on a few different levels. First, I think it possibly says something about Jeter's perception of himself right now. He's having his worst season as a major leaguer, sporting a 698 OPS. He's in a critical game, needing to get on base. While I may be reading too much into this, I have to wonder if, 10 years ago, Jeter would have sold this fake the same way.
Would Jeter, in his prime, have felt that he needed to fake getting hit to get on base against a Devil Ray pitcher? Or would he have felt so confident in his ability to get a hit that the thought wouldn't even have occurred to him?
This is even more relevant with Jeter approaching free agency, with speculation being that he's going to want $20+ million per year from the Yankees for 4 or 5 years to re-up. If the Yankee Captain feels he has to fake an HBP in order to get on base in September, does he really have so high of an opinion of his abilities that he'd insist on superstar money?
The other thing is the lack of outcry about what happened. I think back to a couple of controversial Alex Rodriguez moments...the glove-slap in the playoffs, and the yelling "Ha!" on an infield pop fly. Both were acts of someone who was doing something shady to try to help his team win, and ARod was pretty widely condemned in both instances.
My reaction at the time was that, if Derek Jeter did the same thing, he'd be praised for it. And based on the reaction to this episode by the media, and even Joe Maddon, who Brett quotes in his piece, I was right.
I don't want to get into a, was this right, was it wrong, was it ethical debate. Baseball is a game with a lot of unwritten rules, a lot of talk about playing the game the "right way," about playing the game the way it is meant to be played. You don't steal up 10 runs. You don't swing for the fences with a big lead. Scuffing the ball, stealing signs, that's okay if you can get away with it. It is part of what makes baseball "colorful." Popping greenies? That's fine. But corking bats, or steroids? That's not okay.
But it leads to the question...who decided what is okay and what isn't okay? Who makes the rules? How did all these unwritten rules get into place?
And ultimately, as I think this demonstrates, the answer is that Derek Jeter decides.
Well, not Derek Jeter himself. But the Derek Jeters of baseball, who have been around since the beginning of the game.
A couple of books come to mind. One, of course, is Jim Bouton's "Ball Four," with Bouton scratching his head at the archaic rules and rituals that players are expected to follow, in terms of their behavior in the clubhouse, on the field, off the field, with the media.
The other is Malcolm Gladwell's "The Tipping Point." The book starts off with the Hush Puppies phenomenon...shoes that were basically going extinct suddenly getting picked up by hipsters, becoming trendy, and getting new life in the marketplace.
Gladwell talks about what we think of as opinion leaders, and the importance they have in influencing those around them. Hush Puppies became hip because a few folks in New York City, whose fashion choices tended to be emulated by others, decided they would start wearing them. Hush Puppies aren't inherently cool or fashionable...they became so because the cool and fashionable people started wearing them.
Derek Jeter is the alpha opinion leader among baseball players of this generation. Why? I can't say for sure. I've never met him. But he came up with the Yankees, earned the respect of his peers for "playing the game the right way," treated the media in a way that earned him their undying love and respect, and has progressed to the point that he ultimately defines what is acceptable and what is not.
He's the popular kid in junior high who, in my era, came to school wearing parachute pants, and three days later, everyone was wearing parachute pants. He's the persona who ultimately defines what is cool and what is right.
The dominant viewpoint out there is that Derek Jeter embodies the Yankee Way. He plays the game the right way. By definition, if he does something, it is Right. He's carrying the mantle of Joe Dimaggio and Don Mattingly and those others throughout baseball who write the unwritten rules.
And thus, if he fakes getting hit by a pitch...well, that's because he's a winner. He's going to do whatever it takes to get on base and help his team succeed. Since Derek Jeter (and those like him) define what is right and what is wrong among the culture of baseball, his actions are inherently appropriate.
Now, if Alex Rodriguez had done that? Different story. He's a phony. He's a cheater. He only cares about the money and his image. He has a painting of himself as a centaur, for goodness sake.
If Alex Rodriguez fakes a HBP, he's a bad guy who has shown once again he doesn't respect the game.
Derek Jeter, though, in the eyes of those around the game, appears to have reached the point where he's transcended all of that.
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I guess I'll never understand
why players like Derek Jeter, and our local version, Michael Young, get such an amazing pass in all media. Is it the way they conduct interviews?
As far as the act Jeter did itself, I was fine with it. But then, I was fine with what ARod did. The golden rule in baseball is if you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin’, and it’s only cheatin’ if you get caught.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Short answer.
Is it the way they conduct interviews?
Yes. If you consistently give journalists quotes and are consistent sources, you are inherently viewed in a more positive light.
Let’s say you’re a salesman. The guy in the next cubicle helps you close a sale to make you hit your quota for the quarter. Six months later, the guy in the cubicle next to you comes under scrutiny for slacking off at work. The boss calls you in and asks you what you think of him. What are you going to say?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
That's one of the reasons
I think once the internet opened up, it spelled the end for a lot of sportswriters. It’s really tough to care about their opinions, when so many of them so clearly have axes to grind.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Agree completely.
It’s certainly shades of gray, but you could make an excellent argument that access to the players hinders coverage of a team.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I had a problem with Jeter standing up there and grabbing his hand
He had already been awarded 1st base.. run to the damn bag… dont have the trainer come out and act like the ball hit you….. just run to the damn bag.
by I am Neftali Feliz on Sep 16, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
Wait...are you serious?
He has a painting of himself as a centaur, for goodness sake.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Pretty sure
its true. Think that came out in the same story with the picture of him kissing his reflection. I’m not positive but I think the centaur painting is over his bed.
Vague enough? Sorry.
by Axe Em Rangers on Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
damn, that is so awesome.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
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"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
How am I just finding out about this?
This makes me so happy.
When I listen to ESPN Radio I get goosebumps and shivers because of the fear defendants caused me.
I though he had something more like this
It’s a metaphor… But it actually happened, though
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I got some shackles in the back, in case you're into that sort of thing.
Ha! I’m just kidding…but really, I’ve got ’em.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet he's a regular Chiron.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
More like, Cabron.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is an awesome post
I love this line. I laughed quite hard
And ultimately, as I think this demonstrates, the answer is that Derek Jeter decides.
Go Rice Owls!
Me, too.
As soon as I read that, I knew I’d be rec’ing the post.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't decide if it was going to be you or Garoon who got it first.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops.
Nevermind this post.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm bringing parachute pants back.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
You can't bring anything back...
it’s all “back” already. There is no “uncool” or “dead” style anymore.
This entire generation is raping it’s predecessors one bad style after another.
Just watch a stupid Apple commercial these days.
This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwmlUApZ-s
Are you serious kids? I want to fucking kill all of you.. posing shits.
I don't get the term poser.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
AJM, this is a great post.
I don’t have a problem with taking first base on a HBP even if the pitch doesn’t hit you. Obviously if the umpire gives you a base, you are going to take it (especially if you are struggling like Jeter is).
I have a problem with grabbing your arm, getting the trainer involved and turning the whole thing into a charade.
Jeter should have just put his bat down and ran to first base.
I wouldn’t call it cheating, per sé, but it’s definitely a cheap shot and breaks an unwritten rule and is poor sportsmanship.
I’m not surprised that the media (ESPN) thinks it was a good move. Of course they do. It was Jeter- the poster boy of success in baseball. I do agree though that if A-rod or Barry Bonds or some other peculiar figure did the same thing, the outcry would be huge.
Jeter the Cheater...
he should be roasted for it, but excuses will be made because he’s Mr. Jump Throw.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No, it doesn't "beg the question"
But corking bats, or steroids? That’s not okay.
But it begs the question…who decided what is okay and what isn’t okay?
This wouldn't bother me that much except
1) Adam points out malapropisms all the time
2) Rob Neyer once quoted an AJM article and specifically praised Adam for using “begs the question” correctly, even though he didn’t use it correctly then either.
Just say “leads to the question” or “begets the question”
Yes it does.
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makes me hungry
for bread really..
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 16, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
But
Using the term in this way has been deemed to be incorrect by usage commentators.
Who decided it was incorrect? Jeter?
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
by t ball on Sep 16, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well played, Mauer
Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!
I mean, it was incorrect at one point
That phrase meant something completely different at one point but through rampant misuse, some could say it has the new, formerly incorrect meaning.
And you strike me as a guy that doesn’t accept changes to language created out of misuse.
I'm just being a smart ass
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Thank you!
I’m glad someone else notices this. People use this expression constantly yet have no idea what it means.
It’s worse than “irony”.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame Alanis Morissette for the proliferation of irony misuse.
Nothing in that effing song is ironic.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
It is irony that the song is not ironic, though.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Buck had the worst use of irony I've ever heard during the Packers/Eagles game Sunday.
I wanted to kill him and burn his house down. Well, okay…more than normal. It was worse than even the more ‘standard’ misuse of irony, I’ve almost become resigned to.
FanPost...
Heh..
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by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Frenchy
Didn’t Frenchy get grief for overselling the hit by pitch that won the Rivera meltdown game? Seems like more double standard. If the HBP had won the game would he be mocked?
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T.R. Sullivan’s game story has Jeff Francoeur looking for the mark on his arm where he says he was hit, although Sullivan doesn’t sound so sure that there was really any contact. In any case, Francoeur at least did a great acting job on the play, recoiling as if he was shot on a ball that appear to have simply grazed his sleeve.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The uniform is part of the body
If it hits the uniform it hits you.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
It IS an ethical debate
whether you want to call it that or not. The simple fact is: Jeter cheated. Nothing complicated here.
It's not "cheating"
If the ump says you got hit you got hit. What’s Jeter supposed to do – correct him? It’s the acting job people should be annoyed at.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I'm not sure I buy you're first argument
Just because the ump was wrong doesn’t mean he didn’t cheat to get on base. He very easily could’ve said, “No, that hit my bat.” He never would, but he could’ve. That means he knowingly lied (and over-acted) to get a base he didn’t deserve. That is cheating. Jeter and the ump were wrong.
How crazy would it have been if he had said it didn’t him after the ump said it did? What would the process be for that; would the ump reverse his call or stubbornly refuse to?
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
In the 1909 World Series
This reminds me of the story from Honus Wagner talking about Ty Cobb on a play that happened in the 1909 World Series—-
Wagner recounted: "We had him out at second. We put up a squawk, but Silk O’Loughlin, the umpire, overruled it. We kept the squawk going for a minute or so, making no headway of course, and then Cobb spoke up. He turned to O’Loughlin, an American League umpire, by the way, and said, ‘Of course I was out. They had me by a foot. You just booted the play, so come on, let’s play ball.’
Cobb wasn’t faking anything, but he wasn’t leaving second base either.
by Texas Stranger on Sep 16, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup...
if the ump said he was hit by the pitch and he just jogged down to first then fine.
It’s acting like he broke his arm, having the trainer come out, and all the dramatic crap that followed that makes what Jeter did ridiculous.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This.
Accepting a blown call is one thing. I’ve never seen a player be like, ‘Hey, ump, that pitch you just called a ball was clearly in the strikezone. I struck out.’ But not only encouraging the blown call, but stalling the game by calling the trainer out, to sell a call that has already been made is just absurd and stupid.
Absolutely!
Last night I commented of the post game thread he was lying, because he avoided answering a question directly. He was trying to sell the fact he was hit by a pitch, when the pitch hit the back. He basically didn’t say the ball hit the bat (which it did!) but he wanted to take first base, which he did. I think the reporter asked him if it was the vibration of the bat that hurt his hand? He evaded answering.
That would be like saying Kinsler cheated
When he didn’t tell the ump that the pitch he started walking away on the other night was right down the middle.
Kinsler did not "know" it was right down the middle, Jeter knew he didn't get hit.
by diamond_dave on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
sure looked
like kinsler knew it was right down the middle
by studcrackers on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He's
talking about a 1-2 pitch where Kinsler started walking toward the dugout the other day. Called a ball (right down the middle) and Kinsler hit the next pitch down the right field line to knock someone in.
I kind of expected Jeter to get called on this a bit more
I watched the play at a bar and kind of went through the whole, “If Arod had done it…” thinking with everyone.
But then, seeing the replays, he not only clutches his wrist, he runs back to the backstop holding his wrist and makes at least a 10-20 second production out of it before he started toward 1st. And I just thought that it was a bit much even for him.
And I also thought that part of Jeter’s mystique was that he wasn’t like that, that he generally didn’t do those cheater things. And it’s not like I follow Jeter a whole lot, but I really don’t ever remember any of his great plays being about getting the inside edge. It was always about hustle. If he is being lauded (and I don’t want to read through those articles), then I have to think this is the first time he’s getting lauded for an even slightly dirty play.
It’s one thing to recognize that Michael Jordan got away with all sorts of shit and we just called it “ultra-competitive” or “Jordan Rules,” but Jeter never had that reputation. I’m still not convinced that Jeter doesn’t receive some derision from someone MSM. Might see something in the next few hours…I hope.
From MSNBC
But I can’t help but think that there’s someone in the New York media landscape — be it a columnist or a talk radio host or whoever — who is thinking hard about calling this one differently. Someone who’s thinking of casting the move as desperation rather than resourcefulness, and who will use it as a hook for a larger story about Derek Jeter being “lost at sea” and, for the first time, casting him as a pitiful figure in their next column or their 8:45 segment or whatever.
To be clear, I wouldn’t buy into such a notion, because it would be reading way too much into a silly play…But it got me thinking that such characterizations happen all the time, especially in the hyper-competitive media atmosphere in New York, and especially with big figures like Derek Jeter.
Because let’s not kid ourselves: while a “desperate Jeter” storyline would be baloney, so too have been the 15 years of “Jeter-is-God” storylines we’ve been steadily fed by the media. Yes, there have been plenty of reasons to praise Jeter, but we’ve long since passed the time when the narrative — Captain Jeter: The Man Who Plays The Game The Right Way — took on a life of its own.
But such a narrative, being a mere construction of the media, is not something that has to last forever. At some point, almost every public figure falls out of favor to some degree.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeter did nothing wrong in my opinion, any batter who has a mind quick enough to react and who has the acting ability should at least try to take the free bag
if the stupid umps cannot tell the sound of a ball hitting wood rather than flesh then it’s on them, not Jeter
It's one thing to take the bag
It’s another to know you weren’t hit by the ball and still act like a sniper shot you and you need a medic.
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by Aqua on Sep 16, 2010 12:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was/is my complaint
I was waiting for DWade to roll a wheelchair out there for him for Chrissake
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by bking on Sep 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
this is the issue. The bad call is on the umps, the shithead-ness is on the Jeter.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 16, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like having your teammates carry you off the court in the NBA Finals
To have you return a quarter later as if nothing happened
cheating the rules to try and get ahead
Is a part of baseball, has been since its inception, and will continue as long as the game is here. I would applaud Elvis for doing the same.
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by FormerLSBUser on Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
to me
This is the same shit as an outfielder trying to sell a ball that short hops his glove as a highlight-reel diving catch. Sometimes they get away with it; sometimes they don’t. It is the baseball equivalent of flopping like in basketball or soccer as AJM states. This is why I want instant replay in baseball, ruled by someone upstairs who can buzz the ump and say “bullshit.” I won’t give a damn if it takes an extra half a minute to get the call right.
Where's my wallet?!?!?
Haha, a "bullshit" buzzer.
I want that job.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
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If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again, though...
Your comparison to the short hop diving catch … if the outfielder simply raises his glove to the ump appealing that he caught it, that’s one thing. But if he jumps up and down, waving his glove in the air, griping that he indeed caught the ball when he didn’t… then that’s a different story. And that is the equivalent of what Jeter did. He oversold something that was completely untrue.
Happy birthday to Kenny. Happy birthday to you.
putting aside whether it was right or wrong (i think it was douchey)
the point adam is making is that if AROD had done it he’d have been crucified for the very same thing that Jeter gets praised for. There is NO doubting or arguing that.
Jack Daddy
Nope, the response would be VERY different
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'm trying to imagine the photoshopped pics of that
Would he wearing a tutu while dancing around in pain?
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Wow, just wow
Talk about people making a mountain out of a mole hill. I guess people’s actions here are largely predetermined with how they felt about Jeter prior to this but to launch into a tizzy over what has been a part of the game since before any of us were a gleam in our daddy’s eye is pretty silly, IMO. And equating this to a corked bat is really overstating it. Using a corked bat is a planned effort to play outside the rules. Selling a call on a close pitch at the plate is no different than a phantom tag. If the ump calls it your way, you take it.
Jeter has been built up for a decade and a half as the paragon of integrity.
That’s why this discussion is happening. Captain Jeets shouldn’t need to lie.
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by Aqua on Sep 16, 2010 12:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Should we also harpoon the integrity of every catcher
that tries to pull a pitch back into the strike zone to get a favorable call from the umpire? I’d venture a guess that 99% of the posters here would have taken their base on that call too if they were playing for homefield advantage in the playoffs.
Taking the base is one thing
acting like your hand is broken is completely another.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Exactly, he could have bent over, grimaced to sell the call, then gamely trotted to first "in pain"
thereby reinforcing the “plays the game the right way” meme.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I think you missed the point of my piece
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't see anything disingenuous
about what Jeter said or did. What was he supposed to say? That he fooled the umpire into making a bad call? I’ll bet that would go over big with the entire umpiring crew. And even mentioning this in the same breath as steroids is really going overboard. I’m not a regular here, but I’ve read enough of your stuff to know that you’re not a Derek Jeter fan. I wonder what the noise level would be here if Josh Hamilton did the same thing?
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I’ve read enough of your stuff to know that you’re not a Derek Jeter fan
Really? I think Derek Jeter is a no-doubt HOFer, and one of the best shortstops to ever play the game.
And the fact that you’re even mentioning that shows that you missed the point.
The point of this piece was not whether or not what Jeter did was right, wrong, whatever.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, he basically said just that
That he fooled the umpire into making a bad call?
He said “it hit the bat.” Which the umpires will take as “we made the wrong call.”
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
fucking moron,
as it were
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by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
Let’s bring “fucking moron” back. It’s cool because TagDon’tTweet says it is.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Much ado about nothing
I’d take this writer a little more seriously if hadn’t referred to the team playing the Yankees last night as the Devil Rays. They changed their name two years ago, after all, which leads me to suspect he, like so many other pontificators on this suddenly hot button much ado about nothing topic only care about the issue now because it’s Jeter and the Yankees — a perfect storm for jealous envious NY haters everywhere. What’s next? Anyone want to complain about the way catchers’ manipulate their gloves on every pitch off the plate to “sell” the ump on a strike call? What about whether runners should try to knock over catchers and shortstops in the basepath when trying to score or steal second base? Are picthers cheating when they throw a curve off the plate and the ump keeps calling it a strike so they keep throwing it?? Sheesh, grow up everybody. This is such an epic non-story it ranks right down there with the Ines Sainz tizzy. If you think that exhibitionist slut is a real journalist or that Jeter is a cheater, you are too stupid to cross the street without someone holding your hand. Go to bed already…..and don’t forget to watch “Joe’s Job – The Ballad of Terry Francona” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVZQnELQ9s It’s must-see entertainment for REAL baseball fans everywhere. Go Derek! Yankees!!! 28 in 2010!!!!
by nyyankeefanforever on Sep 16, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think he referred to last night's team as the Devil Rays
“Devil Rays” was preceded by the phrase, “Derek Jeter in his Prime,” and they were the Devil Rays then
by MonkeyEpoxy on Sep 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
@MonkeyEpoxy You think so, monkey breath?
….The rest of his article is so silly I believe you’re wrong about that…and he’s far from the first wannabe jock-sniffer scribe to make the mistake. He’s either showing his age or his lack of attention to detail. In either case, he’s certainly ewxposed his deep-seated jealousy and rancor for the Bronx Bombers and Jeter in particular. Now get off your daddy’s laptop before your momma finds out youve beenn surfing porn sites again. Your comment is as insipid as the point the writer is attempting — and stupendously failing — to make.
by nyyankeefanforever on Sep 16, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yankees fans never tire of making themselves look like rocket cunts.
by LiamP on Sep 16, 2010 12:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
that's so british..I love it, never heard of that...
I don’t think we can get away with it across the pond though…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Did you just call him monkey breath as a cut-down?
Lol … I can so see this guy speaking with a NY/faux-Italian accent saying this. You’re telling MonkeyEpoxy to get off his “daddy’s laptop” as if he were a kid, yet you are the one reducing yourself to lame name-calling. Classic.
Happy birthday to Kenny. Happy birthday to you.
type less angry
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
He chose ... poorly.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aqua on Sep 16, 2010 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Their momma called them the Devil Rays
I call them the Devil Rays.
Also, the Angels are the Anaheim Angels.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always thought of them as the California Angels
Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!
Of course they WERE the LA Angels for their first 5 years
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Sigh, Yankee fans.
Black or white, saint or slut, big deal or non-story. No room for gray.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting the "enter" key every few sentences...
would have been nice.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 16, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, ball washer
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
oh..
so that’s how it works. You point out meaningless things that people say or write and use that as an argument against an entire persons intelligence and ability to understand a situation. Cool, I’ll remember that.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The funniest part of this
is not that he missed the point – it’s that he advertises his shitty YouTube video at the end.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that he now has almost as many comments here (4) as he does on Pin Stripe Alley (6)
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i would applaud.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 16, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No I didnt miss the the point Adam.....
….Your point is clear as a bell….and you are the only person I’ve seen anywhere in the professional or amateur media who is so hell-bent on sticking to your line of reasoning.
by nyyankeefanforever on Sep 16, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Okay
What do you believe my point that “is clear as a bell” is?
And what line of reasoning am I hell-bent on sticking to?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And in claiming that you didn't miss the point, you further miss the point.
Keep going! Keep going! Say something about, I dunno, how you’re appalled that Adam referenced “Ball Four!” More unbridled, unhinged, unsubstantiated, unknowing outrage!
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
and btw ...referencing Brett Perryman in your article only makes your point weaker and mine stronger.
Point. Set. Match.
by nyyankeefanforever on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah
You are clearly trolling now.
Bye.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He has the angry blood.
Is he done Adam?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
This has to be a bit, right?
I mean, nobody mangles a straightforward idiom like “game, set, match” without knowing, right?
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Perryman
knows a shit ton more about baseball than you do. Just go back to your blog and talk about us Texans being too stupid to read and all living in trailers. They’ll listen to your idiocy over there and nod.
Only to and from our oil wells
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
10-gallon, partner
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
...and I think the cliche you were aiming for there was
Game, Set, Match. Valiant effort, though.
Happy birthday to Kenny. Happy birthday to you.
I'm right here Michael.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Watched the video
Rays announcer saying ’that’s big of you’ cause he missed the call and threw Joe out.
It’s not like he knew he missed the call. Dummy.
I'm thinking if I'm a manager
My favorite “get tossed” phrase is going to be “You’re gonna look like SUCH a dumbass when you see the replay on Sportscenter 50 times”
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Sep 16, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love brett p right now
i was listening to colin on my way to one of my work sites and he was saying dumbass shit like Babe Ruth did the exact same thing, they just weren’t cameras back then…
are you serious?
Also, the local espn houston guys…the blitz or some crap like that, are those the most narcissistic mofo’s on radio or what?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Colin was unbearable on this
He couldn’t suck Jeter’s dick hard enough. Atta boy Cleets.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Wait, is there something Cow Herd ISN'T unbearable on?
He’s a complete douche, from the couple of times I’ve heard him talk.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 16, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's take a second and imagine the world today if A-Rod pulled that stunt
I foresee a two-hour midday “Sportscenter Special” on the issue, an entire “Outside the Lines” episode devoted to the importance of the sacred unwritten rules of baseball and whether A-Rod truly respects them, and then a primetime Rick Reilly essay on whether A-Rod deserves to be banned from Hall of Fame consideration for such a disgraceful stunt.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
arod
did do this with a ball at his foot. Was that this year or last year?
I remember wanting the pitcher to bean him his next at bat.
Wanted the same for Jeter.
“You dont have to act on that one!”
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
this is for all the pansy yankee players except for b. gardner and the bandwagon fans...
i like that 3/4ths of the rangers team has a higher batting average than jeter or teixeira. borbon, andrus etc…
"don't mess with the MURPH!!"
This is interesting to me, because,
while you’re right, AJM, there is a big contingent, including much of the media, players and more casual fans that laud Jeter as the classy-most, there are also the ever growing hoards of sabergeek doubters for whom Jeter is the most glaring example of ignoring the numbers and raising the mythic ‘intangibles’ to a ridiculous level of importance.
My point, there are great numbers of serious baseball fans out there that think Jeter is overrated and don’t buy all this ‘playing the game the right way’ crap.
I guess the response to the acting job
and what Jeter will probably say if asked, is that he actually did hurt his hand when the ball hit the handle.
I know it would hurt my hand. Don’t know if it would hurt Jeter’s though.
AJM trying to pick a twitter-fight with Rhyner
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
talk about fighting
with an unarmed man.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Smart Baseball
I think it’s smart baseball to turn a foul ball into a free base. If the ump misses a call on a fair/foul homerun, are you supposed to stop and go back to the batter’s box because you’re sure it was foul? Or do you trot around the bases even though you know for sure it was foul? If, as a fielder, you missed the tag on the runner, and the ump calls the runner out, do you tell the ump you missed the tag and instruct the runner to stay on the base…or do you sell it like you made the tag? As an outfielder when you dive for a ball and trap it, do you sell it like you made the catch? I think you get the point. It’s smart baseball to try to sell it. Obviously, you’re not supposed to go overboard with it. But as a guy who turned a few foul balls into HBPs in the minors, as much as I dislike Jeter, I’m with him on this one (up to the point where he let the trainer take a look at it for longer than a second).
I think it's not necessarily an issue of whether it was a smart play or not.
It was clearly a smart play; it worked, and he got on base when the Law of Averages would suggest that he wouldn’t otherwise.
The issue is whether or not it was disingenuous of Jeter to put on the charade (it was, IMO) and whether or not he is getting a pass on being disingenuous because he’s Derek Jeter as opposed to Alex Rodriguez (he is, IMO).
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I think the yankees will give him 4 years
I don’t know what kind of dollar figures he is looking at but they will give him 4 years
Because after 4 years Elvis becomes a FA at the ripe old age of 26 (he’ll play most of his first FA season as a 26 year old)
Ya know...
we may end up playing none other than the Minnesota Twins in the first round. Don’t look now, but they are only 1 game back of the Rays.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
Then we won't play MN
They will play the wild card if they get the 1st seed. The only reason the AL East winner won’t play the wild card is because you can’t play a team in your own division in the 1st round.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Good post.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yay, it's you!
PARTAY!!!!!!!!!
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
haha! I played for Dave Van Horn (coach of the Razorbacks)
he was a crazy motherfucker
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
lol that wasn't even close
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
That guy is a catcher and he reacted like that?
Holy crap, what a huge baby.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That catcher is a douche
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
"Josey drives to games??? I always assumed he rides in on his high horse" jam0152
It's hard to tell in the video
but if you look closely, you can see that all through his performance Jeter still had Calm Eyes.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
Quick Pitch had a great shot of this
When he’s behind the umpire he’s looking at the umpire with a big ol grin on his face as he’s writhing around supposedly in pain.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Jeter's "fake" was fine with me; People are retarded
This is not rare, batters have faked getting hit before. I don’t understand how anyone can consider it cheating. Is it also cheating when a fielder doesn’t “fess up” when a runner is called out by a phantom tag?
Acting is a part of baseball. As a hitter, you act like you got hit. As a pitcher, you act like that bean ball slipped out of your hand. As a fielder, you act like you tagged the runner.
Lastly, the ball did eventually hit him solid and it was thrown pretty hard — much of his convulsion was natural IMO.
Much ado about nothing. People are idiots.
What?!
Lastly, the ball did eventually hit him solid and it was thrown pretty hard — much of his convulsion was natural IMO.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, didn't you know cameras lie all the time? :x
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by Lisa W on Sep 16, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As does Jeter, apparently
He admitted in the press conference after the game that it didn’t hit him.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No, you can clearly see him convulse
“Back and to the left, back and to the left….”
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The ball hits him after it hits the bat
I’d like to see how all of you fools react to a 90 MPH fastball coming right at your waist as you’re trying to bunt. What was he supposed to do, act like it was no big deal? Haha.
I think some of you need to experience a 90 MPH fastball. Perhaps if it hit you in the head it’d knock you straight.
That's weird
I’ve never been hit in the hip but have the horrible pain that requires medical assistance be in my arm.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by Lisa W on Sep 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just watched the replay again
Didn’t appear to hit him.
Certainly didn’t hit his arm, which is what he was acting like he’d injured.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, first thing that jumped out from the JoePo article
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Tex34 is the one that called AJM a herder...
good stuff.
by lost in space on Sep 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because you don't post here much
doesn’t mean we don’t have memories big guy.
by lost in space on Sep 16, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And that SBN shouldn’t put up with my lack of effort, or whatever.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 16, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks Bucky,
was just about to look for that.
by lost in space on Sep 16, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that was the dude who used to post a lot, then twisted off one day and was just gone....
I thought he had a FC Dallas logo or something….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
it was a legendary rant......someone will remember.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No, he's the one who called AJM's morality into question.
Something about tearing families apart and cold calls and what-not.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So rumor has it you're revealing your identity
after we clinch. Is this true?
by lost in space on Sep 16, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
dude just snapped out of nowhere IIRC
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
VETERANOCITYGRITMCHUSTLESWAGGER!
YOU AIN’T GOT IT SO SHUT UP!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing you've experienced a 90MPH fastball to the head
a) it must be true if you’re saying that we can’t understand unless it’s happened to us, and
b) it would REALLY explain a lot
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Alex Rodriguez is a bad example
The other thing is the lack of outcry about what happened. I think back to a couple of controversial Alex Rodriguez moments…the glove-slap in the playoffs, and the yelling “Ha!” on an infield pop fly. Both were acts of someone who was doing something shady to try to help his team win, and ARod was pretty widely condemned in both instances.
My reaction at the time was that, if Derek Jeter did the same thing, he’d be praised for it. And based on the reaction to this episode by the media, and even Joe Maddon, who Brett quotes in his piece, I was right.
You couldn’t have reasonably expected an outcry based on your Alex Rodriguez example. Alex Rodriguez is a villian, and the media singles him out. No other active players in baseball right now are treated the way Alex Rodriguez is. Alex Rodriguez does not set precedent for how the media treats most players. He’s a special case.
I appreciate the concept that Jeter is treated differently than most baseball players, but Alex Rodriguez is also treated differently than most baseball players. If you want to comment on Jeter’s special status, then he should be compared/contrasted with a typical player instead of a guy like Rodriguez.
If someone can find an example of outcry when a non-polarizing figure did something like this, then maybe it would be worth discussing.
This is a very good point
As far as the media is concerned, Jeter and A-Rod are opposites.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
the issue is that when a non-polarizing player does it, it is barely news.
Jeff Francouer did it. TR Sullivan wrote something about it. Barely a ripple.
Didn't it actually hit him though?
I mean, he sure did embellish it, but I thought he was actually struck with the ball.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 16, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It looked like it was all jersey.
Which still technically counts as him being hit so the distinction is probably irrelevant.
My first thought was Manny
It would be just “Manny being Manny”
But “Jeter being Jeter” just doesn’t roll off the tongue
How just "Jeter Being a Douche"?
That has a nice ring to it.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
I think it’s valid to compare something to it’s polar opposite as opposed to the mean. Like Josh Hamilton to Jose Lopez instead of Johnny Damon.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The other thing is the lack of outcry about what happened.
The lack of outcry is only noteworthy if most players would be criticized but Jeter was not. As it is now, we only have two real data points:
Rodriguez criticized
Jeter not criticized
We still don’t have any reading on the 99% of the players in the middle of that spectrum. If Alex Rodriguez is the only player in baseball who would be criticzed in such situations, we haven’t really learned anything about Jeter.
Not really
Jeter would not be criticized and would probably be complimented in multiple sources; ARod would be hammered in multiple sources. I imagine that if average player did it, depending on their fame level, it would range anywhere from a mention by a beat reporter on a blog or in the ‘other notes’ section of a game summary to getting play on MLB Network/Baseball tonight.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
I disagree.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 16, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll rephrase it another way.
The lack of criticism for Jeter’s actions could mean one of three things:
1. It is acceptable for baseball players to fake being hit (or do similar unsportsmanlike things in order to win).
2. It is not acceptable for baseball players to fake being hit, but no one will say that because no one criticizes Jeter.
3. Up until yesterday, no one knew whether or not it is acceptable for baseball players to fake being hit, but because Jeter sets the rules, it is now acceptable.
Throwing in the Alex Rodriguez data point doesn’t make any of those options more or less likely.
We also have: Pierzynski criticized
Earlier this year when Pierzynski faked getting hit during Romero’s at the time no-hitter. No one likes Pierzynski though.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
A-Rod is the perfect comparison since part of why A-Rod is a "villian" is *because* he does stuff like this.
As AJM said:
Both were acts of someone who was doing something shady to try to help his team win, and ARod was pretty widely condemned in both instances.
AJM’s pointing out the falseness of the “he plays the game right” vs “he plays the game the wrong way” cliches, and A-Rod is the perfect counterexample to use to show that those statements are nothing more than “we like him” and “we don’t like him” dressed up in an attempt to make them less stupid looking.
The thing about unwritten rules is...
they usually aren’t universal. Oh, the players think they are, but the controversy arises when they called out for doing something that wasn’t quite so obvious.
It is generally accepted that a batter may try to sell they were hit by a pitch. And it is generally thought that getting on base is of primary importance for the team. But if you are on the other team, and say the catcher or pitcher thinks the ball hit the bat instead of the hand, then you have an argument. So, it is ok to sell the hit by pitch if you were actually hit by the pitch (body or uniform), but it is pretty questionable if you are selling that you were hit by a pitch when you weren’t.
Personally, I am not surprised that Jeter did this and would not be surprised by any other player doing this. But I love it that people are actually questioning Jeter’s veracity and character. And I believe I heard Kruky calling for instant replay last night because of situations like this on Baseball Tonight.
And Adam, thanks for this post!
Ha, hadn't thought of this
*I’ve actually heard from a couple of people who say that Jeter wasn’t acting — he was reacting to the vibration of the bat hitting ball. Let’s just put that lunacy to rest right now. Jeter’s left hand (the one he would claim got hit) WASN’T EVEN ON THE BAT when the ball hit — he had already pulled it away. Our discussion here is built on the premise that Jeter was acting, it was all a performance, not unlike a soccer player diving. As the guy on the YES Network said, with a hint of chuckle in his voice, "Wow, Derek is some actor."
and after reading that
kind of disappointed since he kind of ripped off AJM’s point.
But of course he did so a bit more eloquently
agree with Pos and AJM that
Jeter’s performance is a harbinger of decline. A-Rod, Jeter, Rivera and Posada are all in decline, maybe Teixeira too. I hope the Yankee’s time is passing and it’s tine for teams like the Rays and the Rangers to have their glory days.
it all seems very simple to me
they need to throw at jeter next game
OT: LSB Football Pick em
did everyone give up after 1 week?
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 16, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
NFL Pick 'em? I will be going to the bitter end.
Gotta protect my #19 position!
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
I'm in on College is there a pro one, also?
by diamond_dave on Sep 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Instant replay.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Derek Cheater
da da dadada
Derek Cheater
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
F&CK THE YANKEES
how has this not been written in here yet?
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 16, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Beats me, we're off our game today..
I also noticed that no one ragged on JFE in the AM thread….
We’re so freakin’ complacent now that the magic number is single digits.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Whew! Close call.
So I was pulling up the postgame thread, but my internet connection at work sucks, so it takes forever to load. I minimized the page while it was loading, but it kept popping back up. Well, I went to print out one work-related IE window, but as I was clicking on the print icon, the postgame thread page popped back up. So when I clicked the print icon, it was going to print the postgame thread on my shared work printer!
Fortunately, because the page was still loading, it did not print right away. I was able to use task manager to shut down IE before it started printing. I can only imagine the trouble I would be in if my boss found 50+ pages of Rangers pics and posts on the printer.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
You sure it didnt make it to the print spooler?
I’d check the printer to make sure.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 16, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It looks like I am in the clear.
This happened about half an hour ago. I did not want to jinx myself by posting too soon, so I gave it some time. I have been hovering by the printer a lot. No magic number pics to be found there!
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Could've been the post-auction winning thread
Now that had some fireable material in it. It makes me look forward to the division clinch postgame thread.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on Sep 16, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I went out to get a slurpie between classes.
On the radio, I got to hear Tim Kurkjian talking about how this is why Jeter’s great, and the calling the trainers out was “brilliant” and the reason people think he’s the smartest in the game.
I want to rewrite this post...
and substitute all instances of the name Jeter with Michael Young and then watch the mutiny.
by ghostofErikThompson on Sep 16, 2010 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
Question...will the Rays make sure (in a few days when they meet again) that Jeter gets payback in the form of a pitch that DOES find a body part?
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
The best part of this theory
would be if the ump called it a foul ball.
“The ump said it hit his bat, not him. I didnt correct him.”
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
If I'm Joe Maddon,
Jeter gets drilled in his next AB in the Bronx. I’m thinking a 95mph fastball in the small of his back will cure his thespian tendencies…
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 16, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think the Rays owe him any payback
He made a heads up play, and they shoudl move on. The dbaggery of the “death scene” aside, they have bigger fish to fry.
Now, if I was the ump or a member of that crew, his strike zone just expanded from batter’s box to batter’s box.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
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