BBTiA: Josh Lueke And The Egg On The Face Of The Seattle Mariners
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I really want to talk about this all day
This whole thing with the Mariners is hilarious. Dr. Z might be a stats genius, but he is severely lacking in the other aspects of being a GM.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Me neither, I'm just pretty much going off of what everyone has said about him
He definitely seems stats oriented, but that doesn’t seem to necessarily be a good thing with him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Differentiating between the GM and the Front Office.
He definitely seems stats oriented
Zoinks has a lengthy scouting background. By all accounts, he leans heavily towards traditional methods of talent evaluation.
Tony Blengino is the stats person in that FO.
This.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Drafting
Dr. Zoinks made a name for himself with the drafting he did for the Brewers. It may not be stats, but Zoinks seems to have shades of Paul DePodesta in that he is well regarded for something he does very well, yet has trouble with handling the job of GM (mostly the relationships he has to have with others).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Sep 2, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He lacks common sense
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Including Google searching
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
its one thing to know stats
its another to actually have all the other things that make a good gm
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
I don't understand how...
…he got the reputation for being a stats genius.
I think he’s considered a scout who respects and understands the statistical aspects of evaluation.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 2, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Lack of due diligence
He should be fired for a lack of due diligence. It is unbelievable that no one would do a google or facebook search on a prospect before a trade. Moreover, given that he knew of off the field issues is even more egregious.
by CDorsey on Sep 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
#5Org
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
by RangersSD on Sep 2, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just got done reading through all of the Cameron "Lets talk about why I failed" stuff
over at fangraphs. I’m glad he learned so very little from the article.
Feel like it is open season to harass Cameron over every single Dr. Z screw up, including this one.
yeah
if Cameron had said “Look, at the time we made the list, we were trying to make a statement about the value of a good front office with resources, and we took a gamble that Z was really the best example of that. In hindsight, it is clear that it was just too early to make such a judgment, and while we stand by our decision to allow the M’s front office to boost their ranking, we didn’t properly take the uncertainty of his short tenure into account”
Instead, he said “I’ll answer questions,” then picked a few bad examples to strawman all the decent criticism in an attempt to make anyone who disagrees with him look like stubborn fools who just don’t get it.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 2, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, pretty much exactly what i gleaned from that
a little humilty and honesty with yourself can go a long way, but he lost a lot of respect from me with how he handled that whole thing
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
lol, here's a post from a Mariners fan on the subject
Quote:
“adiar, backed up by the rangers GM”Backed up? No not backed up infact it says in the article that the Rangers GM could be the one lieing also he said Lueke was acquitted infact i believe more that the Rangers GM was lieing you know why? When asked if he told Z that if he knew Lueke plead no contest he told them no comment.
This isn’t meant to incite any trolling or anything. I just think its funny that there are some fans out there that think that Z is still telling the truth about this when everything about the situation pretty clearly shows he wasn’t.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The Dr Z fanboys are loyal
And good grief that’s terrible writing. That makes the DMN blog comment section look like The Economist.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
The Franklin Gutierrez deal is a pretty good indicator of how good of a GM Zduriencek is.
Also getting Cliff Lee for basically nothing.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Actually
the second one is more of an indicator of how bad a GM Ruben Amaro is
and as for Gutz we’ll see, one amazing year (mostly propped up by ridiculous D) sandwiched in between 2 solid years…also, .306 wOBA in 2008, and then a .301 this year……
Josey Wales is stupid
Don't forget that he pulled Vargas and Chavez out of that deal.
Plus some solid minor league depth. All for what was left of J.J. Putz, Sean Green, and Jeremy Reed.
And Gutierrez still has a chance to become respectable offensively. He showed early flashes of it this year. I’m not sure why he’s struggling now.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Plenty
he’s still a good GM, he just screwed up here. All GMs make mistakes, it’s a risk-filled, unpredictable business.
Freude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Freude!
What makes you say he's still a good GM?
I don’t think he’s awful by any means, He’s said some good things and he has had some good ideas trying to maximize the efficiency of his resources in constructing a team, but he doesn’t have a whole lot of tangible accomplishment to his name.
The jury is still out, IMO.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
You're right that the jury is still out.
He had a solid plan this year, and that plan didn’t work out the way he wanted it to. It was the exact opposite result last year (basically same plan, vastly different result). You have to admit that things were already in shambles when he took the helm. It takes longer than two seasons to turn things around.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Oh no question, he wasn't exactly handed a well-stocked franchise by the previous regime
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Good Lord.
At least most of our commenters speak English.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 2, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Almost like calling a person a rapist when he/they/it was/were acquitted.
Who woulda thunk?
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh I noticed that as well.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Matches is crafty like that
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I didn't even notice that
I like it though. Unconscious, maybe.
by Joey Matschulat on Sep 2, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's probably LL man juice from circling up thinking about Z.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Here's a question: does this cost Jack Z his job?
There’s a lot of hay being made about Chuck Armstrong’s support for women’s violence advocacy groups and whatnot. Could they decide that, on top of all the other debacles of this season, this has been such an embarrassment that they need to let him go?
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I think if Z outright lied to Armstrong
it can’t bode well for his job. Of course, we have no idea if he actually lied to his boss or just lied to the media about what he had told his boss.
Go Rice Owls!
Yeah, I dont think it does either
I dont know who he lied to, but I think he did. JD has historically been pretty straight-up. I don’t think he would be telling everyone there remains a standing offer to take Lueke back if he told Dr Z “screw you a deal is a deal” on the night of the trade.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
I doubt Daniels is lying about this
and I agree with Matches – this is probably a death knell for any future JD-Z trades. You don’t throw another GM under the bus like that, especially if it is a lie made up to save your own image.
Go Rice Owls!
It seems Z lacks a little bit of skill in the management of professional relationships
First he fires and then throws under the bus the one guy in the Mariners organization who has the most knowledge about the Lueke situation. That proceeds to come back and bite him as Adair starts telling his side to the media.
Now he’s throwing another GM under the bus.
Meanwhile, the Yankees are probably still pissed about his handling of the Lee trade.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
oh, I forgot about the Yankees debacle
this does raise questions about what Z said to them about how done the deal was
Go Rice Owls!
At first I thought the Yankees were just acting like sore losers with an entitlement mentality
And while I still think that’s at least part of the issue, now I wonder if he actually did jack them around as much as they claim he did.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Valid question, given the new info
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It was always hard to believe they didn't know
Given that Adair was the pitching coach.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yep--I mean, that's the first thing I think about anytime I hear the guy's name
Adair is reporting to Z about our players, I’m fairly certain rape was the first topic of conversation (maybe 2nd to his fastball)
This is the most level headed thing I have ever read on this subject.
Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Except i dont believe Dr. Z was telling the truth
at least not the whole truth
Josey Wales is stupid
From Stark
Cliff dwelling: One baseball man who goes back years with Cliff Lee has zero doubt that no matter how upbeat the Rangers may say they are about re-signing Lee, he will be a Yankee this winter once the free-agent fine print is written.
And why is that, you ask? Not because Lee has always wanted to live on the Upper East Side or because he’s a big fan of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It’s because the Yankees are, obviously, the best bet to outbid the rest of civilization.
“Cliff,” our source said, “would go to Siberia if they offered him the biggest contract.”
• The Bryce is right: Amid all the grumbling last month after Bryce Harper signed a five
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Last sentence doesn't belong there obviously
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Lee has paid his dues and should expect a serious contract.
While I am sure that the Rangers will make a serious offer, if the Yankees really want him they are going to get him assuming that money will be deciding factor. And if that happens you can only move on and look elsewhere.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I don't think that should surprise anyone.
Just help us get to the playoffs and beyond and I’ll drive him to the airport to NY.
by lost in space on Sep 2, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We would've got to the playoffs anyways
I definitely need more than that. But yeah I’d be fine if he left if he gets us past the first series.. or even if he’s the only wins in the first series possibly heh.
What division is Siberia in?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
They're not apart of Major League Baseball.
by Mike E on Sep 2, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Actually, they are apart of Major League Baseball.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
by scoop16 on Sep 2, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hmmm..
Explain again how I go about expressing sarcasm on here?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
It's impossible.
/sarcasm
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
LOL
Thanks
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Is this Mike E doing his regular Mike E bit or him parodying our parodying of his bit?
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Awesome.
bleep bloop bleep blorp
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 2, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I never once thought he'd stay here, he is what he is.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Sep 2, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
DPLennon Two plays for Arias at SS. Kicks one routine grounder, then can’t reach first base on the other. Put in Tejada while #Mets have 2-1 lead.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
No shit
WTH? This game alone makes this trade a win.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Boomer,
You going to the game on Saturday?
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
No but I will be there for the FSU game
Wife went to FSU. I will be in a suite. I work with a former player.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Oh fantastic
I’m so pumped about the start of the season. I got student season tickets this year and I sure as hell won’t miss a game.
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
That is so cool.
I will be watching on the big screen in HD. We will have to hook up and go drinking before a game this year. email me with your #.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Heh, I'm not 21 yet
But I’ll still take you up on that offer!
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
No worries
I turn 42 in October. I have you covered.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Bob can be paid off.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
He should be there too...
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
Hey Pith
Talking with the wife. Do you have any friends that would want to sell their tickets to the FSU game. She wants to be in the seating bowl.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I'm not sure at this time
But I will definitely ask around. I’m sure I can find a couple of people. I can get you student tickets but you’d have to “upgrade” them to regular seating for around $20. I’ll see what I can find you guys.
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
That would be cool I don't mind that.
We are looking at tickets right now for around $115 so if I can get them a little cheaper that would be great. Find out as soon as you can. Beer and BBQ is on me.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I'm starting to rethink my plans of going
I recently realized how many hundreds of dollars I’m going to have to spend going to Rangers playoff games.
I’m going to try for next season in tallahassee
Im still awaiting either your opinion on the sooners or Pith's
I have youll going 1-11 personally…
Josey Wales is stupid
LOL 1-11
Who do we beat?
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I havent decided yet.....
but i just figure youll can eek out that one tough hard fought victory
Josey Wales is stupid
Haha...oops.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Sep 2, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
Magic number is....
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
by boomer1 on Sep 2, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I rec'd this
But nobody else will :(
Sometimes I press CTRL+F and type in "Josey Wales" just to see if he made a stupid statement.
So true.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Ahh Charles Thompson
So much talent, so small of a brain. Ok so check this out his son is getting ready to play for the Sooners. I hope he is smarter than his dad.
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I didnt realize that....
interesting, surprised he wouldnt have chosen to go to a different school to try to separate himself
Josey Wales is stupid
Would have been funny if he had said pear
"The 2010 Rangers...winning despite Ron Washington"
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Why oh why isn't that movie quoted more?
What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports is a’goin on here?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
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