Sullivan: Hamilton out for an extended period
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 11:16 AM CDT
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PrintT.R. Sullivan has a new piece up, saying that Josh Hamilton will be out for an "extended period" after his collision with the wall yesterday, and that if this were any other month of the season, other than September, when rosters are expanded, Hamilton would be on the disabled list.
On the plus side, with the 8 game lead the Rangers have right now, this shouldn't impact the divisional race. It also gives the Rangers a chance to play Jeff Francoeur, Julio Borbon, and David Murphy more down the stretch, and get a better handle on how much those guys should play in the playoffs.
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THIS SUCKS!!!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
This isn't good news
but the bright side is that at least Hamilton gets some significant time off before the playoffs. I just hope that he can come back for at least the last couple of weeks of the season and get things going so he’s ready for the playoffs.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
it was inevitable
I wonder if we’ll ever be able to get our good players on the field at the same time.
Sadly
our best players all seem to be extremely brittle with especially Kinsler and Hamilton, but also Cruz living on the DL all year.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Colby Rasmus may be available for trade in the off-season...
Apparently requested a trade earlier this season. He and Tony don’t have a good relationship.
meh
I think he’s overrated and will have more struggles down the road
Okay
Let’s start with Julio Borbon.
Borbon plus what for Rasmus?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I was hoping for some more specifics, in terms of the package that we’d be willing to offer, and that St. Louis would find enticing.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing Strop go too.
His stuff can be filthy, but I don’t ever see him gaining sufficient control of his pitches to be effective.
Who knows.
But Borbon is a terrible base to start from.
Borbon, Feliz, Hunter, Strop?
Not enough? Hunter throws a 2 seamer sometimes right?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's the Rangers new Feldman
They seem to really overvalue him.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
x
They seem to really overvalue him.
Based on what?
Thanks for that.
I’m asking what indications there are that the Rangers’ FO overvalues Hunter.
Lewin's a PBP guy.
Who gives a shit what he thinks?
Nolan said last week he's not sure which one he wants as the #3 starter in the playoffs
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough not to like him
based on his results. Hopefully though they don’t duplicate the Feldman error on him. As it is, our rotation is pretty full next year, even without lee unless a trade is made.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I remember reading that they like him better than Holland.
Wrong?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Reports from the beat writers over this season
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Hunter and Holland are in different situations
However, I do think that Scheppers and Perez passed Holland on the value scale.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Scheppers did.
Perez is unquestionably ahead, even after this year.
I'm saying...
…in the eyes of the Rangers.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's certainly possible...
but with Scheppers recent struggles that may not be the case now. I think if it were, I think he would have been called up.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think folks need to seperate
liking a player right now more for the rotation versus liking a player more long term. They are not always the same thing. A lot of kids pretty much demonstrate they could use more time in the minors while others demonstrate they are just fine developing in the majors.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
While that is true
I think the Rangers have always liked Tommy Hunter despite his lack of overwhelming stuff, and his results have only solidified that perspective. He’s setting himself up for a nice career as a LAIE who seems to have a knack for padding his win column, a la Joe Saunders. Those guys are nice assets, teams pay a lot for them.
Like Adam says, Holland is just a completely different situation. He’s a high ceiling guy who has yet to prove himself. So while you know what you’re going to get with Hunter, you have no idea with Holland, and nothing he has done in the last year has clarified that.
The thing though with high variance guys is that as time goes on, it is harder to just have faith that the ceiling you’ve dreamed about is going to come true. Before last year, people may have said Holland had a 10% chance of eventually being a #1, and a 20% chance of being a solid #2 (putting up CJ like numbers). Before this year, those numbers had dropped a bit, maybe to 5%/15%. But now, that #1 number is getting too small to allow it to affect decisions about him. Unless he gives some good sign pretty soon, it’ll be hard to differentiate his career path from Matt Harrison’s.
Go Rice Owls!
Well,
comparing him to Matt Harrison is pretty tough, because it’s tough to look at Harrison and imagine much other than mid—back rotation guy who makes it because of his leftyness.
The bigger problem for Holland is going to be lack of slots, and lots of arms in the organization fighting for those slots. If he doesn’t have a strong end of season, he may find his personal window closing.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I'm not saying Holland is Harrison yet
but as Holland’s potential for becoming a top of the rotation guy seems to fade away, you’re left looking at a guy who hopefully can be a back of the rotation guy who makes it because of his leftiness.
My impression of Harrison is that his stuff is pretty good, but mentally he just doesn’t seem to know how to connect all the pitching dots (which is the opposite of Hunter). I’m worried Holland may have the same problem.
Go Rice Owls!
I'd offer Borbon + Hunter
and hope the Cards feel like overpaying for Hunter’s great year.
Go Rice Owls!
If Rasmus is really going to be a top CF
like Kinslerhomer says, then maybe you need to add in another pitcher.
there are serious question marks about whether Rasmus is really going to be a top CF though
Just looking at his month to month splits he’s had 2 good months, and 3 really bad ones.
He's been banged up this season.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
that is why I said
I hope the Cards feel like overpaying for Hunter – and as we saw from the Haren/Saunders trade; teams often overpay a lot for guys like Hunter…
Go Rice Owls!
If that's the price...
…then nevermind.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
They don’t think he’s capable of starting (Sullivan said as much remember). Is a 4th OF, closer, #4 starter, middle man too much for top 3 CF (Law thinks he will be)? What if Strop is out of the deal?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Regardless
Feliz, Hunter, and Borbon is tremendously overpaying for Rasmus.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think a lot depends on...
…how confident you are that he’s going to stay in CF, and how good you think he’ll be the next few years in CF, defensively.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Feliz kills that deal for me.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Hell yes
And a very good one
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Borbon, Hunter, Scheppers?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
An outfield of Franceour, Borbon, and Murphy is very uninspiring.
Hopefully Nelly and Kinsler can step it up.
Biggest disappointment this year has to be Borbon.
Because of his Judy-ness, the Rangers have been forced to play Josh in CF where he has a tendency to crash into outfield walls.
I find Harden more disappointing
There was always a fair chance Borbon would have a sophomore slump, and we knew what his arm was.
I don't know about that.
I think people expected him to be good when healthy, and that there was a risk that he could miss significant time with injury. I don’t know that many expected him to be mostly healthy and just suck.
I think the more disappointing thing than Judy failing
was the Rangers not having a good fallback to him failing. This was a question that some of us, including Adam I believe, were asking in the offseason.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Wash should be shot...
for putting him in CF yesterday. Especially considering his knee issues lately and how valuable he is to this team offensively.
Just stupid.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 5, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Well hell!
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Look on the bright side
It is only Sept. 5. Josh needed time off due to his aches and pains before he crashed into the wall. So instead of one week he may miss two weeks and be back in plenty of time to get ready for the playoffs. Also, Ian and Nellie have returned.
Agree
Much ado about nothing. He could use the rest.
I also wouldn’t be too disappointed with putting one of the long men in the roto for a couple of weeks. Pitch Holland and the long guy on regular rest and give the other four 7-8 days between starts.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 5, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a good way to look at it.
I was getting pretty mad. Hopefully he is only out a couple weeks. It’s almost like something like this had to happen to get the team to rest him. I really didn’t want him in CF yesterday after the back spasms or whatever, and so soon after the knee thing. I understand Borbon is sucking, but I’d rather have him out there defensively in CF (even with the boneheaded throw the other day and the fact that he throws worse than I do) and go with him in the offense. At least now Kinsler and Cruz are back, and hopefully they’ll get hot pretty soon.
talk about having zero momentum
We could all use a little more MANTIS in our lives.!
by RA Dickey on Sep 5, 2010 12:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hate rib injuries
They take forever to heal. Even bruises. His pain should hit a peak tomorrow, when he’ll be unable to breath comfortably and he’ll be crying like a little girl if he sneezes.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
Well this sucks.....
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Lineup.
Guzman SS,
Young 3B,
Murphy LF,
Guerrero DH,
Cruz RF,
Kinsler 2B,
Moreland 1B,
Treanor C,
Borbon CF,
(Wilson P)
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Sep 5, 2010 12:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wash is stupid.
Last 9 games: Blanco has an OPS of 1.147.
Well then... I would like to see this Jeff Sullivan pornagraphy.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT
by Feliz es bueno on Sep 5, 2010 12:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Guzman at SS, leading off?
Cristian Guzman??? Or is there a new Guzman?
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He's very veterany
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Blanco>Guzman
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Looks like Wash is trying to keep everyone 'engaged' again.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
They have to figure out who gets added for the post season
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The Rangers and Padres seem to be hitting a wall at the same time
i would love for both teams to make the playoffs since not many picked either team in the Spring. I hope that this is just a lull for the rangers and maybe it is a good thing for the team and Josh for him to have some time off right now to re-charge his batteries. Now if the others in his place can do something positive i think things will be fine. we all know that no one can replace him. just need some good solid play out of his replacement.
Please don't make references to hitting walls.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to see the Padres complete their colapse, and the Giants win the West.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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$50+ cheaper on Amazon than Best Buy.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Damn
Wilson is 7-0 with a 1.99 ERA in nine starts since the All-Star break with the Rangers winning each time.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Dayum
has posted a 0.90 ERA in winning his last four starts
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah, that's not bad if you like that sorta thing.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
well
I always like a low ERA more than a high one, at least for Rangers. May not be the optimal indicator of talent, but it’s better than nothing…
Go Rice Owls!
I know, I was being sarcastic...
BGL has been lights out since the ASB. You can use any stats out there and they will show how great he has been.
Personally, I like seeing how he has decreased the walks allowed lately.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This essentially assures him of the batting title, doesn't it?
The only way he was falling below Mauer or Cabrera is if they got really hot to get theirs up over .340 or so, and Hamilton fell below that.
Assuming he’s out for half of September, that means he’d have to be completely terrible to fall that far – which won’t happen.
Go Rice Owls!
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