The Umpire Blew the Call
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 5:42 PM CDT
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PrintFrom the baseball rule book, it is interference if:
In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching
or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or
first base.
For those who missed the end of the game, Vlad Guerrero hit a roller up the middle with the bases loaded and two outs in the top of the 9th, with Minnesota leading, 6-4.
Orlando Hudson dived and knocked the ball down. Michael Young, the runner at second, had rounded third and was headed home when third base coach Dave Anderson waved for him to stop.
As Young was stopping, he stuck out his arm, and his fingertips appeared to -- maybe, not definitely -- graze Anderson's fingertips.
Anderson didn't physically assist Michael Young in returning to third base, and Young returned to third base safely; however, he was called out, purportedly because of interference on the part of Anderson.
Thus, the call by third base umpire Alfonzo Marquez that ended the Rangers game this afternoon was clearly wrong.
If the call is correctly made, Nelson Cruz comes up with 2 outs, bases loaded, down 1.
Maybe Texas loses anyway.
But a clearly blown call by the third base ump, calling Michael Young out because (supposedly) of interference by third base coach Dave Anderson, ended the game and cost the Rangers the chance to tie or take the lead.
UPDATE -- Video available here. Twins broadcasters, realizing how stupid the situation is, keep saying sheepishly, "A rule is a rule." However, I haven't seen any rule that says that incidental contact between base coach and runner means the runner is automatically out. The rule seems to say the opposite.
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it's amazing how things like this always happen when your trying to come back in a game
and it looks like your about to and they and umpire goes a fucks it all up.
Hey dudes...
Much like Josh Hamilton, I might be out for a bit. There’s some kind of signal issue at my house that cropped up today and Comcast can’t fix it until at least Tuesday because of the holiday, perhaps longer. Therefore, no sweet, sweet Internet for me.
The Good News: I missed having to watch this game and ending.
The Bad News: No Toronto Series Preview.
:(
by ghostofErikThompson on Sep 5, 2010 11:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This sucks
No more links to new gameday threads. :(
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
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Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
I don't know how he made that call anyway.
He didn’t see the contact, he was looking the other direction.
"Hey... Goldberg! I bet if that puck was a cheeseburger, you'd stop it!
Go back and look at the replay
Hudson doesn’t dive. Amazing what you think you see…. ask the 3B umpire.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Yeah, I am severely pissed, and a huge homer, but...
It was a judgment call, end of story. Judgment is in the eye of the judger, and that’s that.
I have to question why a 10 year veteran and a 30 year lifer make that fucking mistake.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
He didn't see it.
How did he come to conclusion that the contact took place? That’s the most puzzling part of this to me. No way he sees that slight amount of contact in his peripheral vision.
"Hey... Goldberg! I bet if that puck was a cheeseburger, you'd stop it!
I don't know what MY could've done different.
Rounds the base hard, hits the breaks, swings around, and his fingers touch.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I'm not assigning blame to anyone
I am just saying both should have known that they couldn’t touch, under any circumstances. Anderson should have jumped back, or MY not extended his arm such. But really, it’s just one of those things, a heat of battle error.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
According to Young and Anderson...
…they didn’t touch.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I am certain that they will assert that forever
But again, it is a judgment call, and the door was left open for a judgment by the ump. It’s still an error on the participants, imo.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Oh I agree with that
I can’t believe Wash or MY didn’t drop an F bomb on the post game audio clips.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I wonder if ...
there’s a standing rule-of-thumb at umpire school that contact = aid in that situation.
You are most likely correct.
And really, when is the last time you remember this happening…to any team? I sure don’t remember this ever happening before.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It wasn't a mistake
They didn’t do anything wrong.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They touched on a dive play back to 3rd, with 2 outs in the 9th even
I think there is a reasonable inference of assistance there, and the rule is written to encompass that inference.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
reasonable inference of assistance
No there isn’t. Yhey accidently touched hands. Anderson didn’t grab MY, he didn’t push him either. MY didn’t push off of Anderson. A simple inadverdent touching of hands cannot be construed as " reasonable inference of assistance."
They may or may not have touched, does not matter, because it is a judgment call by the ump
Ok, try this:
Your gf/wife gets accidentally elbowed at a concert, and has a black eye. The next night, you two get into an argument and your neighbor calls the cops…you are going to jail, end of story. By the cops judgment, you hit her. That is a reasonable inference by the po-po.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I have one
ALfonzo Marquez blew that call like he blew the penises of other men at the Minneapolis airport. Shit, that’s a simile.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I would like to nominate him to suck a bad of dicks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I would like to nominate him to sucka of bad dicks
Fixed it for you (I know bad was a typo :-)
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Since I'm a cop, I'm going to tell you that is a horrible analogy
by UrMomsFinger on Sep 5, 2010 7:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Since I'm a defense attorney ...
I’ll second that.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Since I'm an unpublished author
Oh, never mind….
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That Umpire
That’s just a case of an umpire trying to get on Sportscenter. And it’ll work. Fuck that guy. Fuck that series.
That's why they call them business sox
based on that outcome
the MLB should keep a close eye on the 3rd base umps checking account to see if there’s not a financial transaction from the Twins to the 3rd base ump. Only umps that make ghost call outs like that are in league with the team they made the call for.
by Ryan2907 on Sep 5, 2010 6:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
OT: starting to get into the Red Dirt Country music crowd.
I particularly like Jason Boland and The Stragglers. Anybody with me?
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
no
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
agreed.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Dolly all the way.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I love Dolly for the sole reason that she was part of the reason I did not see one pitch of this series.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I demand pics
It was so long ago that I went there with my Grandparents. I saw Minnie Pearl though, that was oddly cool.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Here's one...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Sep 5, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Bahahahaha
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Of course you should.
I risked getting my ass kicked to get this.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Tons of bands 1,000,000 times better.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Comal County Blue
is an awesome song, would you admit that?
what bands do you prefer?
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
i'm pretty sure the rule was written in a way to keep
incidental contact from being the reason for you to be called out.
I'm guessing the umps' flight was soon.
The ump didn’t see the play and didn’t care if he was right.
Since I couldn't watch any of the games in this series...
I’m going to pretend it didn’t happen.
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
I should have filmed my reaction to the box score...
the last 2-3 games.
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
That play is so fucking ugh.
If we were in a close race i’d be fucking pissed.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
me either..sooo glad
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
OT: the Colby Rasmus situation...
is fascinating. Glad it’s not my team though.
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
I don't think he'll be available
as LaRussa is probably gone next year.
But if he were I’d be so fully all over that I’d get labeled a stalker.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Larussa being gone may not resolve the problem
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yeah, apparently Pujols is ticked off at him too.
Which may just be because Pujols and LaRussa seem like buddies, but then again…
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It was your team
but we dumped our problem on Boston
by blueballlefty on Sep 6, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Salty wasn't a very good player though.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
anybody that watches the replay can clearly see he didn't fucking see the play.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
HOW CAN HE CALL IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't get it. How can they keep their jobs after plays like that.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
settle down son, you're embarrassing me.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
You can stay with your uncle.
Keep preaching.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
way to stand up for yourself, I'm proud of you....
Is this call online anywheres?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Tonight
would be a really good night for LSB Radio. It’d be unpublishable, but it’d be so cathartic.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Concur...fire up the tubes PM
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Ha
Thing is, it works really well in theory. But most people just feel like forgetting about baseball.
The episode before last week’s was done after that horrible loss in the Lee-Price matchup. Vitriol should have flowed more freely than the Mississipi river after 2 months of rain. But nobody called and we had a hard time filling the show with content.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
x
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11756037
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You know, looking at it again,
Why is the fucker looking to make the safe/out call? He’s staring at the tag. If you think it was interference, call it. He sees he’s safe, and then decides to make the call.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
He's arguing like Wash heh
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Alfonzo Marquez
needs to be put to death in the most excruciatingly graphic way possible. Like sliding down a giant razor.
Preferably with his children in attendance.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Sep 5, 2010 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
How about a Ginsu knife...after he saws the concrete in half?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Let's not get distracted
the important thing is, Alfonzo Marquez needs to die and his children need to be there to watch. That’s it.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Righto, apologies
Damned ADD.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
battery acid enema?
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
- That would Romanian for F*ck the Rally Monkey....
by Captain Fubar on Sep 5, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
ouch
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Random T-shirt
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Unknown Author
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 5, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
REC IT
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
At least the A's lost today, it's probably going to be a rough series with the Jays
let’s hope for better play by the rangers and some good luck as well
Wash
“[He said] that David reached out and touched him. All you have to do is go look at the replay. It never happened. He [Marquez] said [Anderson] tried to stop him.”
“The thing is this: Too many calls are being made that are costing ballgames in 2010. You certainly shouldn’t have a game end on something like that, especially when you’re out there for the hours you’re out there and played as hard as we played to get back in the ballgame and have that happen.
“When you look at the replay, it’s obvious that he never touched him. Maybe he [Marquez] had a plane to catch.”
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 16 recs
BOOM
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'm thinking the "plane to catch" line
is going to cost Mr. Washington a fine.
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Right
Alfonzo Marquez had no planes to catch. He just needed to get to the Minneapolis airport. There’s dick sucking to be done, don’cha know.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Just knock twice on the stall door....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
and slide the shoe
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
hey
i’m a big guy and i take a wide stance myself
"Please don't hand Jim Knox your children."
- Josh Lewin
I'm thinking that's a fine he will be happy to pay...
players and Greenberg will probably pitch in…..just an awful call….
Ball....toss.....antlers....
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Sep 5, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome, Wash.
And I love how he calls people by their full first name. ‘David’
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Unedited version:
"[He said] that David reached out and fuckin’ touched him. All you have to do is go look at the GDMFing replay. It never fuckin’ happened. That fuckin’ light in the loafers illegal [Marquez] said [Anderson] tried to stop him."
"When you look at the MFing replay, it’s obvious that he never touched him. Maybe that cocksucker [Marquez] had a GD MFing plane to catch."
:)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
by Rodney on Sep 5, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
probably much closer to what was going thru his mind!
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
I didn't see the game
did Wash throw a complete fit, even though the game was over?
Because he should have become the first manager to ever be ejected from a game that was already over if he didn’t…
Go Rice Owls!
look at Scoop's link up above, shows Wash's reaction...
he shoulda kissed that umps skull with a fungo.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I fucking love this.
I just gained a ton of respect for Wash.
I bet he gets fined for this.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 5, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he [Marquez] had a plane to catch."
GO WASH. I’ll chip in and help you pay that fine,,u dont end a game like that, such a cheap way.
These mirror image twin tennis players are too fucking weird...
Bob and Mike Bryan, the Bryan Brothers…creepy…
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
awesome doubles team though
if you know tennis, you know that to be the understatement of the century
after watching the ground level replay,
you can see Anderson backing out of the way just as Young gets planted and turns to go back. Asswipe Marquez could have seen this in his peripheral vision, and assumed Young pushed off Anderson to go back. If so, he should be fired for making a call on what he assumed happened, not what he saw. ..
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
umps dont get fired for doing a shitty job
it hasn’t happened in like 10 years (literally)
by jonathan rigby on Sep 6, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Even on the replay..
Anderson is clearly bringing his right arm behind him to avoid the touch. He wasn’t “assisting”..
Christ, we got screwed big time.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 5, 2010 7:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Over on the Twins blog,
they are saying that even a touch can assist using a BS analogy about someone in a dark room using touch to know where to go
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
They need to
have just left it alone. They got a gift, move on. Don’t keep harping on it.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
That explains why Marquez couldn't see the play clearly.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You've got to be fucking joking.
Young was already going back. The fact that they refuse to see the error here shows how mindlessly retarded they are.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to
run head first into a wall at speeds exceeding 40 mph.
Seriously, stop posting jackass.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Sep 5, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Don't listen to Ryin A
do it.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
It's hard for me to stick up for you when you say "as if"
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Understandable.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Fuzzy's employee, or you just saving lives today?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Just doing my part.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Do it.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You really want him killing himself if he can run 40 mph?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Sep 5, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
The Cowboys could use a kick returner.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
No.
Screw the cowfuckers. The Rangers could make use of a guy who would be far and away the world’s fastest runner.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose
It’d be an interesting statistical study… a guy who theoretically couldn’t hit AT ALL but just ran superhumanly fast.
He’d still be useful… I imagine a team would have him work on bunting 24/7.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Added benefit: The cowfuckers wouldn't have him.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
The circus act that is the NFL wouldn't have him.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Marquez sees your circus act and raises you a mother fucking magic show.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Maybe he's Jacoby Ellsbury?
Given his Taco Kid name.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Alright. I have calmed down.
Ranted, cursed, yelled, wrote a blog, ranted more. Alfonzo doesn’t deserve anymore of my time. Not that my time is all that important, but it’s more important than Alfuckzo.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Nice interview, kid.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Great post
I have 20-20 corner of the eye vision.
made me laugh
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Boo Gardenhire
“They made contact at third base,” Gardenhire said. “That’s automatic. The umpire has to make a call. If there is contact, he’s got to make a call. That’s what he did. And they made contact. Unfortunate, yes. It probably didn’t help him stop or get back, but contact is contact. And that’s what Alfonso called.”
I know he’s not going to say differently, but at least don’t say it’s an automatic thing.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Gardenhire looks like he pours whiskey in his eyes when he wakes up.
Fucking drunk (I have no idea if he’s a drunk)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
But I don't have red face.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
You just can't see it because of all the hair on your grill.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Fuck you Gardenhire and your 5-day bender looking self....
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
- That would Romanian for F*ck the Rally Monkey....
by Captain Fubar on Sep 5, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Gardenhire and Brad Childress
look like people you’d see on trailer parks slamming Budwisers.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Sep 5, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, so Ron Gardenhire doesn't know the rules either?
Shocking, I say.
Fuck you, Gardengnomer. Just go ahead and say “we got the benefit of the call, so I’m not pissed because I’m a huge hypocritical prick.”
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 5, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
no shit, I'm in a cabin in the mountains scaring my family.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
And I didn't even watch the game.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I think it's me typing hard and quickly
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
If the door is locked, I understand their fear.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
My whole thing is that it stinks that we have to fall on the "At least the A's lost".
We should be feeling good about the Rangers right now. Nothing a few good wins in a row can’t cure. And hopefully they get on a roll once they play the A’s again.
I agree Kid
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Winter, spring, summer, or fall
All you have to do is call…..
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
And I'll be there
Oh, yes I will……
you’ve got a friend!
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
USE THE REPLY BUTTON
you inbred, cancerous dumbass
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
don't
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Are you sponsoring this guy or something?
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
no, just a friend.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
oh
I thought you subscribed to the George Costanza Mentoring Program.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
replay
Looking at the replay linked above, I think they touched hands. And after MY gets up off the ground, Marquez give a sign indicating Anderson pushed Young. SO I don’t know if he actually thought MY was pushed by Anderson or if he automatically called MY out because they touched hands. Either way it is a terrible call.
Shouldn't the third base coach and the player....
touching after a HR count as an out if the rule is “if there is contact, it’s an out”?
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
You can also read MY's lips:
Bullshit! You fucked that up! You fucked that up!
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Let's assume, for the sake of argument
that Mike’s fingertips brushed against Anderson’s. I’ve watched the replay a half dozen times, and Marquez isn’t even LOOKING at the two of them when the alleged “contact” happened. The ONLY reason that call gets made is to garner some attention for himself. He KNEW it would be controversial, and did it anyways. I hate it when umpires do this kind of crap.
I think it might be going overboard to say that Marquez made the call so that he could get attention for himself.
The attention he’s getting is that he’s a bad umpire. Call it what it is: it was a bad, bad blown call. But I don’t think he sat there in the lockerroom postgame rubbing his hands together like Dr. Claw saying, “Finally…I’ll be FAMOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I don't know
I think some of these guys KNOW how you get on Sportscenter as an umpire, and they make calls to get there. Cynical? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true!
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Sirhan Sirhan.
I thought that was obvious.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I believe some umpires think any press is good press
The constant anonymity and thanklessness of their jobs turns them into fat frekin Joe Wests
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
That's what I'm saying as well
Some of these guys are straight-up narcissists, who ENJOY this kind of nonsense.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you're missing the point
no one is going to intentionally blow a call so that they become famous for being a fucking idiot. I understand the point of the Joe Wests of the World (and Joey Crawford in the NBA) being narcissistic pricks…but they’re mainly famous for being assholes, not necessarily for being god awful at their jobs. When you think of Joe West, you think of a guy who is trying to show players up by being quick with the toss and for being a miserable prick. The “not being a good umpire” part isn’t what he’s famous for.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
And I think
Some people don’t CARE how they get their name in lights. I think he saw an opportunity to make a controversial (but, he THOUGHT, defensible) call, and he took it. If you watch the replay, he’s not even LOOKING at Mike and Anderson when the alleged “touch” happens. No WAY he didn’t know that call would cause a shitstorm, and no WAY he didn’t think to himself, “I’m gonna be on Sportscenter tonight.” And now, he and the crew are going to go to the wall to defend it, even when it’s blatantly a bad call.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 6, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you Bob.
Marquez would have to make a 3 second decision on that play. He has to process the MY running back, possible contact being made, then have the senses to decide “I’ll be famous and make a mockery of this play because I want to be known.”.
No way this guy can do all that during that time, in the middle of a game.
And I’m sure he’s not thinking to himself before the game starts, “Holy hell, i’ve got it. If I get a close play in the ninth inning with two outs that will end the game, I’m going to completely fuck it up so I can make a name for myself for being an idiot. It’s mother fucking genuis!”
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
You don't know many narcissists, do you?
For most people, the conscious decision-making you describe IS how it goes. For a narcissist, it’s simply a natural thing to do that which gains the most notoriety for one’s self. Yes, I’m claiming that to make such a horrendous call (when he wasn’t even LOOKING at Mike and Anderson), Marquez has to be a helluva narcissist.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 6, 2010 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Its times like this that i am glad I live in North Carolina
Thus I cant watch the games cuz I would scare the Shit out of my Kids plus get kicked out of the House due to the Foul Language that i would be Using
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Random T-shirt
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Unknown Author
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 5, 2010 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
What pisses me off the most
is that he wasn’t even LOOKING at the supposed contact. He made the call BECAUSE it was controversial, and would get him publicity. Nothing more, nothing less.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad...
…that you wouldn’t Subject your kids To that kind of Language. To many Parents don’t set A good example These days.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
In the NBA the league office will come out
And say that the officials blew the call with some sort of press release. It doesn’t really do any good except maybe make you say “see!” and make you more upset. Does MLB do this?I know Jim Joyce did but I think he was acting on his own right?
by peppersquad on Sep 5, 2010 8:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not that I know of
Usually they just cover their umps’ asses. Very rarely is ANY comment issued, but maybe with all the $h!tty umpiring this season, they’ll actually admit this one was stupid, who knows?
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
They are discouraged from speaking out
by the MLB and the ump union I believe. From what I’ve heard, the crew chief has the most say. What Joyce did was likely on his own, with approval from the crew chief I’m guessing. This one seems obviously blown to us, but not to the rest of the country. It is very doubtful that the ump comes out and says anything at all
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
See, to me this is MORE obvious than even the Joyce mistake
Bang-bang plays at first are missed ALL the time. His was just in a VERY key moment. This is the type of call you just NEVER see, especially to decide a game, and even MORESO when the umpire wasn’t even LOOKING at the supposed “contact.” An utter bullshit call — where the ump was TRYING to get attention — if I ever saw one.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I like your passion, where've you been?
Also…when is it appropriate to use a first initial and middle name combo? Serious question, I’ve always wondered this.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Been lurking
As for the first initial+middle name, I think it’s usually a literary device for aspiring authors that want to sound pretentious. I know that’s why I do it, anyway!
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha...excellent.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I mean, think about it
If your name is “Franky Fitzgerald”, you’re a light-hitting shortstop for some independent farm team. But, if your name is “F. Scott Fitzgerald”, you’re one of the most respected writers of the 20th Century! I’m all but famous, now that I’ve adopted the “First Initial/Middle Name” meme, right?
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
almost home...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Now if I could only sell the damn novel...
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit!!!
How did you hack my hard drive?!?
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 6, 2010 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I go by my middle name.
So there’s another.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Sep 5, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's only to be used if you star in a movie about turning black.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
R. Bomar Appleton?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'm gonna call you 'Wisconsin. Of maybe 'Cheese'.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
W. Ray Amos
Shit…mine sounds like some whacko who wouldn’t taken a shot at MLK.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
also when does the order of robots for the MLB arrive?
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Random T-shirt
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Unknown Author
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 5, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
Only problem with robots:
if you kick dirt on them, they “eliminate” you.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I've had it
I’m jumping on the replay bandwagon. Not for balls and strikes, but for anything that happens elsewhere on the field of play. Give the home plate umpire something like an iTouch that has instant replay on it. If they want to confer with it, or if a manager asks for a replay, the guy behind the plate would look at it on the field and make the correct call.
No replay booths, no red flags, just keep it simple and fast.
You know...I was steadfast against replay....but after tonight? I'm with you, bub.
But like you….not for balls and strikes….baby steps, baby steps.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The key though is the iTouch like device
I don’t want to screw up the speed by going into the replay booth every time there’s a close play. Even say if the first base umpire wants to check his call: go to the home plate umpire, look at the screen, and make a call there. Same with the managers.
Regardless of what side of the fence you are on replays,
do you think that changes today’s call? It seems to be more about inference than accuracy. If the umpire believes the infamous touch (yes I believe the touch occurred or at best is inconclusive via replay) assists a player, video doesn’t change that I don’t think. That would be like using replay to see if a player running through first base flinched towards second. These calls replay doesn’t help I’m afraid.
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Wouldn't that decision be left up to the crew chief?
Granted, I was at work today so I didn’t see the call, but it seemed like the call was made by the third base umpire.
It was made by the third base umpire. Regardless of where on the field
the crew chief is, these things are guesses based on replay and that’s a dangerous slope. Safe/out on most plays is sans interpretation, this is not
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
i would hope the crew chief would look at the replay and see that
the 3rd base ump was not even looking at the alleged contact and would thereby proclaim him to be shitty at his job and overturn his abortion of a call.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
watching again only makes me more mad.
but if we had taken care of business earlier, this kind of call doesn’t have any impact
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
This.
One call does not a good/bad game make. As fucked up as this is, we fucked ourselves throughout the game. And if this call is in a less important situation, it gets a few passing comments in a GDT, that’s it. Rangers fucked up AND got fucked. That is not mutually exclusive either way.
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
I don't agree with this because either way it came to that play screwing over the rangers after fighting back.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
No it didn't. It's one of many things that screwed over the Rangers.
This incident isn’t on the Rangers though
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
What I'm saying is.
Ultimately this is how the game played out and we fought back and it came down to that play. We got screwed over and that cost us a chance at coming back to win. That was the situation then.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
so
anyone know why Dave Anderson was not in the 3rd base coaching box? if he was where he was suppose to be…this wouldn’t have happened.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Many times when holding or sending a runner, they are out of the box.
Hell, I only see them in the box during an AB, rarely when a ball is in play
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
i
doubt they are that close to the line…i’ve seen many further back actually…or atleast parallel to where the 3rd base coaching box starts…you can tell Dave knew he was way to close, when he quickly back-peddled to the coaching box
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Seriously?
He was getting in Mike’s direct line of sight, to let him know that the ball didn’t get through. This isn’t on Anderson. He didn’t reach out and try to grab Mike or anything like that.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
uhm
u can get in the runner’s ‘line of sight’ at a lot of places….i’m not sure going closer to the line is smart…only bad things can happen if you do that.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
It happens all the time
3B coaches are out of the box, more than they’re in it.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No comma is necessary there, Mr. Author.
I’m going to change my name from Black Francis to “Grammar Police”. This is what you get when you mess with us.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Commas are flexible, and useful
I use them a lot, just for fun, and to flush out, the grammar police amongst us.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
One improperly used comma in your above sentence.
They are not that flexible, sir. Commas should be used with care and with respect to the rules of our Queen’s English.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You, sir (or ma'am--who knows with "Francis"?) are actually quite mistaken!
Commas do whatever the hell I tell them to do!
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I am not.
Commas are flexible but you cannot just use them all willy nilly.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot the comma between "willy" and "nilly"...
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No comma goes there.
It would be willy nilly to put a comma between “willy” and “nilly”.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You should really stop talking about Willy's nilly.
It’s very homoerotic.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Believe me, I'll try not to arouse you next time.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You're the one who brought up Willy's nilly...
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that there's anything WRONG with that...
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Commas,
are, a, way, to, sound, like, the, Priceline, Negotiator!
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
by booyakasha on Sep 5, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just back from Minneapolis
Saw the first two live. 25 degrees heat relief from TX was the highlight. I guess most traveling fans splurge for field box behind our dugout, maybe I will next time, but front row of Powerball Pavilion in right-center is a nice seat in a great new ballpark. Gosh was I all alone out there, though. (Which can be really fun too.) Josh’s wall-crash was right under my nose, I have a pic of his footprints.
As a Twins fan
I would have rather seen what would have happened with Cruz at bat. It’s a stupid way for a game to end, no matter who benefits.
The silver lining: If each of us beats our respective AL east team in October we’ll get another series this year. There have been a lot of one-run games between us the last week and another round would be exciting!
by bl4ckduck on Sep 5, 2010 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
As a Rangers fan
We f’d up by getting swept. If the scenario of us meeting in the ALCS occurs, we are 4.5 games behind y’all for having home field. It was only 1.5 at the start of the series.
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
was the name "blackduck" really already taken
or is it pronounced blforckduck?
If we had a bomb, Pantera would hang out with us.
You're way out on a limb with that hotsportsopinion...
LOL
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
LOLROFLLMAODOUBLECROSSIESI'MABOUTTOPEELLMAO
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Sep 5, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Work it, tripnick.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
This sounds like an absolutely maddening situation.
Glad I wasn’t there to see it.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
Oh, I wasn't there either,
But I’m still pretty maddeninged about it….
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So, in other news...
Did CJ get fucked over/unlucky, or did he just get lit up?
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
He was doing okay
up until the sixth.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but
it really seemed like he was pulling it together, before it all fell apart on him in the sixth.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They're not talking bong hits, BF.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
OMG, I just came back and saw the commotion..
I’ve got to see the replay and highlights cause I thought this was over, this is what I get. Maybe for the best cause it sounds like I would have been pissed the heck off.
Heck yeah.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Just saw and that is complete and utter bs..
And how did he even see that call and to end the game like that? Whatever yeah we put ourselves in that position but winning in extra innings is no different from winning before that. We got screwed.
I've changed my theory
I think Marquez was just sick of being in Minnesota (and who can blame him), so he wanted to get out as quickly as possible. Like Wash said, he had a plane to catch.
Is it too late to protest the game, or is that something you have to do on the field?
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 5, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions
4.19 states:
4.19
PROTESTING GAMES.
Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpire’s decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting team’s chances of winning the game.
Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.
See last sentence
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Good to know, although I'm sure they'd simply say it was a judgment call
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 5, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Two things here:
1. You phrase it as a misapplication of the rule instead of a bad inference. You say that the umpire (due to the rule rarely being applied) misconstrued the rule for “contact” instead of “contact assisting”
2. The Rangers should not do this. There is more benefit in leaving the shit that happened this weekend in Minnesota than there is letting this play out in a pennant race. At the very least, the protest would need to be quite and no public statements by the Rangers should be made either way.
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
I don't know
It might be nice to have one less loss, and a game in your pocket if you need it down the stretch.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Two things
The rule AJM posted clearly says,
In the judgment of the umpire,
The protest rule clearly says,
No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire.
Sorry I brought it up.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 5, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing is
The Brett Pine Tar Fiasco was something of a judgment call as well. You just never know.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There is precedent
The Royals filed a protest after Billy Martin infamously got George Brett’s HR nullified because of pine tar on his bat. I doubt the Rangers officially protest it, though.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
So my fiance' person is thinking of taking this job in Denton
What’s it like up there? Expensive? Tons of traffic? Anything? Heh.
Also, I’ll see that she does her best to hire you UNTJosh.. heh.
Denton rules. You should come up for a full day, you can spend the night with me....I'll show you around.
hEH
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
LSB Denton Night?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
actually....the show and the game start at the same time.....we've got problems.....:(
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Denton
cheap in most respects. Housing is affordable, we have a Walmart and our gas prices are lower than those I’ve seen in the rest of the Metroplex. Traffic isn’t bad. Bars are great.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
and you have a chicken express
we have a ton of those down here around rowlett/wylie/plano, but if there wasn’t one in denton i wouldn’t have driven all the way there to pick up the winnings from my fantasy football league last year
i love denton
my fiancé did not like it …….. lots of good food and lots of bars
by jonathan rigby on Sep 6, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
My attempt to make everyone feel better. Magic number:
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Ah yes, the late, great Phil Lynott.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I really hope Josh is back in time to play the MFY on 9/10..
Of course I hoping he’s back before that but I’m preparing myself for him to be out a few more days..
Marquez must have had help from the Twins bench
They were probably yelling that they touched. Marquez turned at the shouting and saw them close together with Anderson moving backwards, pulling his arm back, which would look very suspicious.
Did you notice how quickly the Twins poured out of the dugout as soon as the call was made?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
Just finished watching the game...
I’m sure I’m as pissed off as everyone else right now. That’s a real chicken-shit way to end a game in September between two division leader.
I understand the rule, but it still leaves room for the umpires discretion. You don’t end the game because two guys touched pinkies, if they touched at all. Just bullshit.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So, here's a question on the definition of "physically assists"
Let’s start with a different situation. A runner is on third and is not paying attention and has wandered too far from the bag. The third base coach notices and taps him on the shoulder and tells him to go back to the bag. Is that touch “physically assisting” him?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
i would say yes
but in the case in this game, young was already stopping, and therefor even if they touched it wasn’t assisting young
That's what the rule is FOR
But it very CLEARLY didn’t happen in this case. Mike had already started turning around to scramble back to the bag. No assistance happened at all.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 5, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
no wonder I refer to Tim Tschida
as “Tim Tshitter”
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
- That would Romanian for F*ck the Rally Monkey....
by Captain Fubar on Sep 5, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, sadly so.....
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
- That would Romanian for F*ck the Rally Monkey....
by Captain Fubar on Sep 5, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess (which is confirmed by the crew chief)
Is that they don’t want to get into grey areas here. They just go with “if they touch, he’s out”. Everyone seems to know that, including the players and coaches. They are not arguing that there was not assistance. The argument is that they didn’t touch.
Now, I don’t think they touched. I think the ump made the call based on yelling from the twins bench. That, along with what he saw with his peripheral vision.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 5, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's clear the ump only vaguely recalled the rule.
He made an assumption and then started covering his ass.
The rule says nothing about Anderson
by NellieCruzin4abruisn on Sep 5, 2010 11:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ignore this
But look below
by NellieCruzin4abruisn on Sep 5, 2010 11:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not Anderson.
The ump didn’t know the rules and made assumptions about what happened. Too bad the league will lie about it.
The rule says nothing about Anderson
assisting runners at second base.. Perhaps we should put him in the infield to hold back Vladdy sometimes..
by NellieCruzin4abruisn on Sep 5, 2010 11:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
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"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
4.05
(b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall (1) be in team uniform,
and (2) remain within the coach’s box at all times.
I don't think I have ever seen a base coach be warned for being out of the box.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 5, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
someone like Tony LaRussa or Ozzie Guillen has complained about a coach being out of the box to the ump, who then made him move back. Kind of a psychological ploy mroe than an actual complaint.
Go Rice Owls!
never
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I should back up and say that I wouldn't be surprised if someone was warned...but NEVER punished.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The closest I can find...
Apparently in this game Larry Bowa was thrown out for arguing with an umpire after the umpire bitched at him for getting out of the coaches box. Apparently he went apeshit and threw a water cooler. Suspended 3 games and fined.
I’m still trying to find an actual instance of punishment beyond this. Back to the annals…
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Better link for the story
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/dodgers/2008-04-02-bowa-suspended_N.htm
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
Frank Lucchesi got thrown out of a game one time as a base coach.
He was out of the box complaining to an umpire. The umpire told him to get back in the coahcing box, first base I think, and he dug in like a btter digging in the batter’s box with his spikes. He was thrown out for showing up the umpire. For some reason I seem to think that game was in Baltimore. I think the Rangers were really mad, after they stopped laughing. It was a total horse shit call, so ridiculous it was funny if you weren’t Frank Lucchesi..
Sounds like I'm glad to have missed this.
Cards/Reds was a pretty damn good game. Busch is a great ballpark and the fans really did seem very knowledgable.
We stopped in Springfield MO for the night. There is nothing on tv here but six channels of MDA telethon.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Twins fan here
Definitely not how we wanted to win this game. I agree that this was a bad call – I don’t see how the incidental contact between Anderson and Young assisted Young in returning to third. I also don’t agree that any contact is an “automatic out” – it’s still in the discretion of the umpire. It’s a bad rule because it allows the ump to have the discretion to make a call like this that is clearly a bad call.
I don’t think you’re going to find many Twins fans happy with the call or happy with how we won.
so you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
I saw a lot of fans at Twinkie Town defending an obviously bogus call
by an ump who didn’t know the rules.
Thanks, agreed.
And I assure you if the same happened to your beloved Twins we’d be hollerin’ the same.
I would at least….Firebat too.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The more I think about this
the less I really care.
Really, this was a game that all of us paying any attention to had basically written off. The fact that it even came down to a play like this baffles me.
And on the bright side, maybe this will light some fire in this otherwise dead team. They haven’t had any energy or motivation the last week or so – really looking like they are playing out the schedule until the playoffs start. This may be the sort of thing to rally the team around and jolt the team back into reality.
Go Rice Owls!
I had this thought, as well.
HFA is/was gonna be tough anyways, with Hamilton out and the Twins playing for their division. Maybe this will give them a ‘fuck everyone, we’re playing for each other’ attitude.
This is where Wash shines with his troops.
Bring it, mofos.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I gotta admit..
I was depressed with this roadtrip and the overall playing of the Rangers lately. when I saw it was 4-2 and CJ was in trouble, I was so frustrated that I turned out. Lo behold only to come back hrs later and see all this. This is the most passion Ive seen displayed in a while hope this wakes us up too because home field against the twins is just about done.
WHAT THE FUCK. STILL FUCKING ANGRY.
I WANT MARQUEZ TO BE CURB STOMPED BY AN ELEPHANT WHILE A RABID HONEY BADGER ON METH ATTACKS HIS TESTICLES. I HOPE HIS PLANE CRASHES AND HE ENDS UP BEING THE ONLY CASUALTY. I WILL NOT BE PACIFIED GODDAMNIT. SORRY MIKE E.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
if you're curb stomped by an elephant nothing else matters...
I approve of your anger, btw.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
His head is so fucking swollen, there's a good chance he'd survive.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 5, 2010 11:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
honey badgers are real?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
only rivaled in badassery by the mantis
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 5, 2010 11:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
At the very least I hope his in-flight movie is "What Women Want" and when he opens his bag of complimentary peanuts, they spill out all over the floor.
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 5, 2010 11:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and he has to wear those eyebrace things from "A Clockwork Orange"
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Holy hell, I want one.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I want to BE one
Plus I’d be free to fuck up dolphins all I wanted and it would just be a really odd animal fight rather than animal cruelty (charges still pending).
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 6, 2010 12:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure if you gave a badger meth, it would die
/science
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
And now that I've seen the replay I think it's a bullshit call.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Rule 4.05 Comment
I don’t know that the “comments” really count but this is what it says…
It is also common practice for a coach who has a play at his base to leave the coach’s box to signal the player to slide, advance or return to a base. This may be allowed if the coach does not interfere with the play in any manner.
The comments are all over the rulebook and definitely add context
They count just as much, though they are marked as comments because they’re only supposed to provide clarification or circumstances where exceptions are made
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
terrible way to end the game
twins fan here. from what i saw, the two did barely touch. it was a judgment call, the judgment being “ah fuck it lets just go home.” maybe marquez had diarrhea?
i hated winning this way, i’m confident capps could have closed out the game cleanly instead. now it gives the rangers a bone to pick for next time they come to target field.
and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES
Well
apparently he fucked y’all too earlier this year on a blown did-touch-occur call earlier this year in an extra inning game against the MFA
"I don't do a straight up Mitch for Butler" -- stupid booyakasha
There's no rule that says
the dog can’t play
by NellieCruzin4abruisn on Sep 5, 2010 11:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Rangers should protest the game.
What do they have to lose? If the game turns out to have bearing on the season’s results maybe it will help, otherwise it’s a moot point.
What if..
Alfonso Marquez saw death’s design and knew the next batter was going to foul off the first pitch hitting him in the throat and crushing his larynx instantly?
by dolphinpuncher on Sep 6, 2010 12:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ten he should've sacrificed himself for the integrity of the game.
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by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions
guess it is good i missed this one
the labor day party i was at wanted to watch the show with the guy who catches really big fish instead
just watched the video
the broadcasters are infuriating talking about how nice of a play it was by Hudson….. " If he does not field the ball MY does not make contact"…….. thats really stupid
by jonathan rigby on Sep 6, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Gardenhire should have ...
just not commented on the call. Terrible call that is. The call and the Twits response is a reminder to my on why so many of my fellow White Sox fans hate the Twits.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
reminder to ME on why
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Check it yo'!
1st team with a Magic Number:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/standings
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
At least Bonita Papelbon melted down last night..
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Crew chief Tim Tschida told reporters it was only the second time in his 30-year career that he has seen the ruling made.
I also think Anderson shouldn’t have even been in a position to make it an issue with Marquez.
^ big league stew ^
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Right Call
Anyone who isn’t biased based on their affinity for the rump rangers can clearly see the right call was made, period. I’ve seen this call made many times at different levels of baseball. Anyone who has played the game, which i’m sure most of you douchebags haven’t, know you never ever touch the base coach….did i say ever? And a coach knows not to make contact with a player. Don’t blame the ump, blame your dumb ass coach/player combo morons!
Your whore of a mother should have aborted you when she had the chance.
by michael bluth on Sep 6, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hooray, sock puppet!
And it’s one of those, “If you didn’t play, you don’t understand the game” types…Yay!
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 6, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
If you didn't play there probably are things you don't understand about the game.
But I don’t think it’s really all that much. He’s right that they teach you to avoid contact, but I’m not sure that kind of contact is what they’re talking about it.
by Black Francis on Sep 6, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I played baseball for several years
and the only thing they prohibited the coach from doing was reaching out and grabbing you to keep you at 3B, or shoving you down the line when tagging up at 1B or 3B. There was nothing about “avoiding contact” at all.
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your first statement. (And I did play, by the way, though I sucked)
But that line gets tossed around without abandon. And I’m pretty sure this guy is full of shit.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 6, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I love how...
you had to create a sock puppet to post this comment.
You never played shit, and you don’t know shit.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This guy has rewritten the rule book, everyone!
He’s changed if from “physically assists” to “you never ever touch the base coach.” At least we now know the level of intelligence that Alfonso Marquez is interpreting this rule from….
by K. Scott Bailey on Sep 6, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
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