Labor Day Rangers things
A pretty awful series in Minnesota ends in an absolutely ridiculous fashion.
Both Jeff Wilson's game story and T.R. Sullivan's game story focus on the disputed interference call at third base that ended the game, and both stories quote the section of the rule book that seems to indicate that the umpires simply didn't know the rule, as Tim Tschida said after the game that any contact means an automatic out.
Jon Daniels is apparently contacting the MLB offices today to get an explanation as to the rule, and what exactly happened yesterday.
Evan Grant offers his thoughts on the weekend's series and the disputed call.
And the imbroglio even made the lead of this morning's Buster Olney column, with Olney saying that the umps blew the call, and that MLB needs to clarify the rule.
Sullivan mentions in his notes that Rich Harden will be staying in the rotationbullpen, rather than replacing Cliff Lee on Tuesday for a spot start, and suggests that Esteban German may be getting called up to join the Rangers.
Wilson's notes have updates on the injuries to Josh Hamilton, Cliff Lee, and Elvis Andrus.
Gil Lebreton has a column urging fans not to panic. He also talks about the disputed call, and points out that TV replays show that Alfonso Marquez was looking at third base, not Michael Young or Dave Anderson, so he couldn't have been able to tell whether they touched or not.
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Young looks like he's about to nuts on someone.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
He was really really pissed
which was actually awesome to see to me, since that isnt really his attitude usually
Josey Wales is stupid
opps
can’t say I blame him is what intended to write.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
That was one of my big gripes as well
the 3rd base ump wasnt even looking at that play when he made the call
very annoying
Josey Wales is stupid
I'm hoping that this incident puts a spark in the club
They’ve been playing as if they’re simply waiting for October to arrive for the last couple of weeks. Something needed to jolt them into clarity.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 6, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Seconded.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Thirdeded.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Fourthed
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
Incident?
What about the shitty way this club has played baseball games for the last month+?
This team looks terrible, and this one blown call is the least of their problems.
Get base hits.
Throw strikes.
Field the fucking ball.
Throw it to the fucking guy covering the fucking base.
Get outs.
Quit crying and win fucking games.
I am getting pissed with these idiots. Angrydome.
I agree with everything in this post
That is why I hope that this jolts them out of their boneheaded play. They’re an awful team – one who based on the last month doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs – and they’re awful because they’re mentally distracted and unfocused, which is the most aggravating way to suck.
Yeah, they should be able to motivate themselves without feeling like victims. But given that their great player-friendly manager can’t seem to find a way to do it himself, my only hope is that this will do it.
Go Rice Owls!
O ya and we have a stupid day game today.
Genesis 1: 3-4 (Rangers Edition): And JD said "Let there be Lee," and there was Lee. And JD saw the Lee, that it was good: and JD divided the Rangers from the Angels. by Aquaman56
That's because you weigh about a buck twenty five...
…and the wind ends up blowing you down the road faster than Bengie can run. AJM on Aug 30, 2010
I still wanna move the BJ's to Alaska and call 'em the Glaciers.
They can play in a Giant Igloo, and their mascot can be a polar bear.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
they'd serve Caribou KaBobs and Halibut Pudding
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
At least we have Hunter
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
The phantom interference call sucks, but they shouldn't have been in that position.
I hope they blow out those Canuck bastards today.
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Sep 6, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions
Why would Rich Harden stay in the rotation? What am I missing here?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Lee gets skipped one start
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
okay...Adam corrected the original entry which had me confused.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
So if Harden stays in the roto
Who comes out? I hope it’s not Dutch after his solid performance the other day, Colby has had 1 bad game & no run support, CJ has been fantastic. Hunter? Perhaps Lee needs more time off than we think?
I'd imagine the implication would have to be that he'll be replacing Lee for now
Unless they just like fucking with Derek Holland for some reason.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
that changes things...
seems like a good experiment to run right now… if he fails, no biggie, but he could be Kerry Wood-like out there.
Go Rice Owls!
Could be worse
The Padres have dropped 10 in a row. At least we have a week to wait to see if that happens to the Rangers.
The Rangers are a better team than the Padres
and the rest of the NL West is better than the rest of the AL West.
I’m still hoping that the Padres somehow pull it off, so as to maintain the increasingly diminishing chance I can see a Rangers World Series game in person.
But the Padres aren’t a very good team; they’re basically the Oakland A’s in a different division.
Go Rice Owls!
The Padres
Are +102 in run differential coming in to today. That’s after losing 10 in a row. The back of their bullpen is better than any other in baseball by an order of magnitude. They’re a good team.
their pitching has been awesome
but you don’t have to dig into the numbers that much to see that their pitching numbers are somehwat of a mirage and that their offense has somewhat overperformed (all of which is masked by their silly-stupid park effects)
Put another way, the list of Padre players I’d prefer over their rangers counterparts is pretty low. Sure they’re a decent club, and their bullpen has been ridiculous, but it isn’t such that I’d be convinced that same group would put up the same success next year.
Go Rice Owls!
29 minutes later...
the Padres aren’t a very good team
Sure they’re a decent club
that’s pretty consistent…
there’s at least one source that’s in complete disagreement:
by sam in so cal on Sep 7, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Game Hunter
will stop the streak.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
You mean
Fat Nick Blackburn?
The dude has an FIP over 6 for the last month+.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the good ones.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Josh Hamilton good?
I believe you were denigrating him yesterday. Is Ian Kinsler good? Cause he is often the object of your emo rants.
Which are the good players on your favorite team that you like?
It's fun to do bad things.
I like Josh Hamilton
Doesn’t mean I he isn’t a glass doll and I can’t say so.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, I can't remember the last time I went on an anti-Kinsler rant.
I’m currently pushing for his re-installment at leadoff.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
by LSJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Cuz he has been out injured forever.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
i haven't seen him bash Craig Gentry or Michael Kirkman either
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
If you don't like him
he is probably even better
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I am a little fearful of Tommy Hunter facing these HR hitters.
We could all use a little more MANTIS in our lives.!
Also, a fun Padres collapse story
I was in a barber shop yesterday, and I got to listen to a couple of old guys complaining about the streak (right after they had been complaining about women in the Navy), with a young kid interjecting that it was actually two games longer than the old fogeys had thought it was. They then got into a rant about how the “Padres do this every year” and how it isn’t fair.
I had to hold back about how the Padres don’t do this every year, since the last few years they have sucked so bad they should count their blessings even to be in the race at all; and that what isn’t fair is that my team has never won a playoff series yet they have gotten to waltz into the playoffs 5 or 6 times since Wild Card play started since they’re in the awful, awful National league.
Go Rice Owls!
That was an incredibly crappy way for the game to end
but it was so ridiculous that I actually laughed rather than protesting or writing an angry letter to Alfonso Marquez.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I don't remember
but if the Twins bench is on the 3rd base side then they probably made the call for Marquez and Marquez instinctively agreed, I guess, for fear of missing something that he should have seen. Then the typical umpire obstinacy (sp?) kicked in with the tendency not to change a call.
Maybe fans were yelling?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Chance of losing 12 straight games to teams playing .700 at home: 1.38%
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
"If I had caught it, the force would have taken me through the fence." -- Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs about a Nelson Cruz line drive.
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions
yep
I’m pretty sure that unless the Rangers can get a decent pitching matchup, like Cliff Lee versus AJ Burnett (sadly, there aren’t many possible mismatches with these teams), they’re aren’t going to have more than a 30 or 40% chance of winning any given game on the road this postseason.
Go Rice Owls!
Josh up to 7.9 WAR
Next is Zimm @ 6.7, then Beltre @ 6.3.
Highest pitcher is JJ @ 6.2, Roy @ 6.1, Lee @ 6.0.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Josh Johnson
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Josh Johnson
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
geez
i had a total blank out there. kinda like at all my Fantasy Football drafts…
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
FG uses a better defensive metric
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
And I think BR uses park adjustments
based on how highly Adrian Gonzalez is rated on their list.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Let's get away from the pain and frustration
in the hypothetical situation where Colby Rasmus is available, what would you give up to get him?
I’m thinking Borbon-Hunter-Scheppers. Not sure It’d be enough, though.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Really?
For a 24-year old CFer with a career 6.3 UZR and positive scouting reports who has put up a .361 WOBA? The guy looks like a sure thing to be a star for many years to come.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Adam doesn't really want to trade Hunter
and I don’t blame him – you have to be blown away to trade a solid rotation piece. I think Hunter is someone who a team may blow you away for, but the deal you listed isn’t that.
Go Rice Owls!
I would honestly
rather have Feldman than Hunter.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Disagree...
especially considering age and contact status.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I can see where you're coming from
But I like Feldy’s stuff more.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
really
both guys are the type of player who you hope for a great season from and then trade them to some unsuspecting chump organization (KC, Pittsburgh, Arizona) hoping that they’ll overpay for a “proven winner”.
The difference is Feldman is a $5 million/year player, and Hunter is essentially free. That makes Hunter the more attractive trade commodity, but also easier to keep.
Go Rice Owls!
fair enough
if the Rangers think that too, then they should definitely trade him right now. But I think they can find someone who will give you a better return than what you’re listing there.
Basically, you’re saying to trade a decent starting pitcher whose value is peaking + 1 blue chip prospect (+ Borbon, who has some value still) for a guy, who as good as he may be, is trying to force a trade from his club. That is trading low on Hunter. You can do better.
Go Rice Owls!
Let's break it down a little
First of all, in a little over a season’s worth of playing time, he has a 4.3 UZR/150 in CF, and a +3 in DRS. That’s good, but it is in a relatively small sample, and given his size, I have concerns about how long he’ll be able to stay in CF — he’s someone who may end up moving to RF in a couple of years.
And even if he stays in CF, I have my doubts he’s going to be a top-notch defender out there.
Secondly, his performance this year is driven in part by a BABIP that is likely unsustainable — it isn’t supported by his LD%, for example. And given his K rate, he’s not someone who is likely to be able to maintain a high batting average anyway.
That’s fine, as long as he keeps drawing walks, but it puts a limit on what he can give you in terms of OBP.
Basically, I see him as sort of a poor man’s Curtis Granderson…Granderson without the elite defensive or speed, but with lots of power, decent OBP, high Ks, and struggles against LHPs. And that has value, but I don’t see him as an elite level player in CF. And I think that, given the way the Rangers are building their team, and given the home park they play in, you probably want to prioritize CF defense a little more than you would for the average team.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
From Dave Cameron's top 50 values list
He wasn’t specifically talking about Rasmus, but he fits the bill
Moving on to the hitters who didn’t make the cut, there’s one group that certainly took a beating from where they ranked last year – young, athletic center fielders. Last year, Grady Sizemore (#12), Matt Kemp (#14), Adam Jones (#19), B.J. Upton (#21), and Curtis Granderson (#22) all scored very highly in this series. This year, none of them made the cut, as almost all of them have taken steps backwards in their development (and Sizemore got hurt).
Maybe it’s just a coincidence that five somewhat similar players have all regressed in the last year. That’s certainly possible. Also possible – I overrated that particular skillset. Besides Sizemore, all of those guys have issues making contact and general problems with the strike zone, which has been exploited by MLB pitchers this year. For all their physical gifts, they had a pretty big flaw, which was perhaps too easily overlooked by focusing on what they did well.
I think this is pretty applicable to what you’re saying
Go Rice Owls!
What's funny is...
…he slotted Rasmus in at #14 on his list.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 6, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
heh, no one ever accused Dave Cameron of self-consistency
Rasmus completely fits his argument for why Carlos Gonzalez shouldn’t be listed, for the reasons you pointed out above.
Go Rice Owls!
Mhm
But Rasmus is younger than all of those guys and this is only his second year in the league. One could easily make the case he’s more likely to improve than regress.
Also, Rasmus’s BABIP is fueled in part by a very low IFFB rate.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Let me ask this
What sort of line would you expect from him in the next few years, and what sort of defense?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 6, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd guess
.270/.350/.500 with an aggregate UZR of 3 in CF. That’s a very good player.
Satchel Price at Beyond the Box Score projected him as the 28th best player in baseball over the next 5 years, with WARs of 3.9, 4.2, 4.4, 4.5, 4.4.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I'm not saying Rasmus has no value
he’d obviously be a great player to take on.
All I’m saying is that you don’t want to pay more than you need to, and I think that what you’re talking about there is more than you need to pay.
Go Rice Owls!
What would you give up for Matt Kemp?
He’s also a prime trade target since he’s not getting along too well with Ned Colletti in LA. He’s not as great a long-term acquisition as Rasmus, but he certainly wouldn’t cost nearly as much in return
Go Rice Owls!
Kemp's interesting
more offensive upside, but his defensive has been truly awful this year. I wonder if It’s a lack of effort of if he’s actually slowing down out there…. presently, he doesn’t actually profile as a centerfielder.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
No, not at all
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
that's easily too much
I think people are short-selling Tommy Hunter’s trade value here. He’s a valuable trade chip. Not to every club – because some will look at his peripherals and say “no thanks” but some team out there would give you a real return based on him alone.
Basically, if Hunter + Borbon isn’t enough to get it done, then St Louis don’t value Hunter enough to trade him for Rasmus. Do Scheppers + Borbon for Rasmus if you want and trade Hunter to someone else (or keep him in the rotation)
Go Rice Owls!
Rasmus
Replace Hunter with Feldman.
Borbon, Feldman and Scheppers.
by Darrell McKown on Sep 6, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
haha...
That’d be pretty awesome if St Louis made that deal. Because you’re basically trading Scheppers for Rasmus and giving them Borbon to offset Feldman’s salary
Go Rice Owls!
Duncan might like Feldman's 2 seamer!
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 6, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I might be able to swallow that, actually.
I don’t always have sex with men…but when I do, I prefer Josh Hamilton. - AJM
I got something else you might be able to swallow.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'm late to the party....
but why was Hamilton starting in CF? Is it really that complicated for the Rangers to understand that Josh in CF is a bad idea?
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
Where the hell did you get your info?
Josh has been shut down for a week or so…
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The shoulder/rib injury against the Twins?
Saw that on sportscenter.
"Nothing is impossible to a willing heart."
Wow
What a weekend… Being field side at the TCU game was incredible… Jerry world is just as pretty behind the scenes, I promise you that.
Press box is ridic… I hope TCU models there new press box after that.
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
This used to be links to my websites... But the man got in the way, shut them all down... Damn the man...
Rangers Game Streams ~ Password: LSB123
by FormerLSBUser on Sep 6, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
I'm glad it's nice there behind the scenes
Texas Stadium was a total shit hole behind the scenes.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
The Call
The Rangers should have officially protested the game.
Force MLB to go on the record since Tschida’s comments made it clear the umpires didn’t know the rules.
Again, I agree.
I don’t think asking for an explanation is enough. You have to put pressure on MLB to first of all, interpret the rules reasonably, and secondly realize that a touch is not the same as an assist. Well, maybe those are the same reasons in reality. And if Young and Anderson didn’t touch, that makes an argument for giving managers one appeal per game, and perhaps reviewing calls in the ninth inning if there is any question at all.
The only issue i can see
It may not have been a play that can be protested
you cant protest anything that pertains to a judgment call and it may have fallen under that
Josey Wales is stupid

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