OT - Week 2 CFB - Super 2nd Saturday!!!!
by IrishP1 on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 AM CDT
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I can't bare to watch anymore of the Toronto series until our boys return home, and healthy. So, we continue with the off topic trend of college football. Week two might be the most action packed, drama filled, and best head to head weekend we've had in some memory. Before I list the games after the jump just like drizzle did, I thought I'd share a video that was linked on A&M's sister site, IAmThe12thMAn.com.
This is video evidence of Stephen F Austin players faking injuries in order to slow down A&M's no-huddle offense. Pretty funny when you notice how many players fall down simultaneously. It's like a scene out of the Bruce Willis bomb, Surrogates.
Thursday, September 9th
Central Michigan @ Temple - 7PM - ESPNU
(22)Auburn @ Mississippi State - 7PM - ESPN
Friday, September 10th
(25) West Virginia @ Marshall - 7PM - ESPN
UTEP @ Houston - 10:15PM - ESPN
Saturday, September 11th
San Jose State @ Wisconsin - 12PM - ESPN
(23) Georgia @ South Carolina - 12PM - ESPN2
(20)Florida State @ (7)Oklahoma - 3:30PM - ABC
Iowa State @ (9)Iowa - 3:30PM - ABC
Michigan @ Notre Dame - 3:30PM - NBC
Kent State @ Boston College - 3:30PM - ESPNU
(14)Miami, FL @ (2) THE Ohio State - 3:40PM - ESPN
BYU @ Air Force - 4:00PM - VERSUS
(19) Penn State @ (1) Alabama - 7:00PM - ESPN
(11) Oregon @ Tennessee - 7:00PM - ESPN2
(21)LSU @ Vanderbilt - 7:00PM - ESPNU
Ole Miss @ Tulane - 9:00PM - ESPN Classic
Stanford @ UCLA - 10:30PM - ESPN
Colorado State @ Nevada - 10:30PM - ESPNU
I haven't found who Fox is picking up for Saturday, but when they release the schedule, I'll update. Let the fun begin!
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That is a pretty good regular season Saturday schedule
Now let’s rehash all the arguments from the previous thread again complete with name calling and ridiculous assertions!!!
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
Boise State, rabble rabble!!!!
Call me when both Ohio State and ‘Bama lose, then I’ll worry.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
tOSU, sorry.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Do Jayhawks eat bees?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Gill will start off 0-2 then.
No way they beat GT’s triple option.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
FSN early game.
It’s even more annoying when you’re attending the game.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Really? That's an FSN thing?
Every time I think the Big 12’s terrible TV deal won’t be able to surprise me anymore, I find out something like this.
I feel like this should be the Baylor time slot
Because it’s not like we can drink in our parking lots anyways…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
That leads into another thing that amazes me about the Big XII’s TV contract: how many games aren’t on TV at all, not even on ESPN3.
ACC fans love to complain about the ACC’s management and its TV deals (for instance: low production values for Raycom regional games, getting screwed on the regional split for ABC 3:30 games, not all games available nationally without something like ESPN3), so I was shocked when I moved back to Texas and discovered that not only was the Big XII’s deal not better (like I would’ve assumed about a league with UT and OU), but it was actually significantly worse.
Aren't some of the early season ones on pay-per-view?
Which beats not being on at all, but still kinda blows.
Yes, they are.
Don’t let Horns130 fool you; everyone suffers from the shitty Big XII TV deal. Even UT fans.
Meaning, what exactly?
Not all of your games every season are televised. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything about Aggies or stigma or anthing, but keep whining.
Yes they are
One may be PPV but they all are available to watch if you want. You don’t really have to look very hard to find them either.
One game a year the past several years
usually the first game against UNT or Rice or someone
This year we don’t have any PPV games
Big XII is notorious for 11am starts, even in the CDT.
Happens every week.
If you look at the 11am crap that the Big 10 and ESPN networks put up week after week, Big XII figures they can steal some viewers with a regional game at the same time, and they usually do.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I think a sniper got #23
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." -Chuck Morgan speaking for all of us
Much better games this week...
I forget who it was that mentioned the first week wasn’t great with all the blowouts and bad games, which typically happens to start the season. You get 2 or 3 good games and the rest is Florida v. Citadel or some crap.
Some real solid matchups this week though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Jacksonville State and North Dakota State would tend to disagree.
I think a lot of games fell through the cracks.
Fresno State vs Cincinnati was very entertaining, as was SMU/Tech, Navy/Maryland, and ECU/Tulsa.
Of course, if you weren’t planning on watching any of those in the first place, it’s a moot point.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
The only game...
anyone planned on watching that turned out good was last nights game. Unless you’re a MWC fan and watched Pitt/Utah and Oregon St./TCU.
Did you watch the whole Ole Miss/ Jax St. game, or just catch the highlights?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I thought this was a Josey post the first time I read it.
Lots of people planned on watching lots of games, including OSU/TCU, Navy/MD, and LSU/UNC (sucks for the folks who turned it off after the second quarter!).
And there were plenty of others like Ole Miss/Jax St that I hadn’t planned on watching but flipped over to after hearing about.
Texas Tech goes to New Mexico
and is playing on something called the “Mountain Network” and are 26 point favorites.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
yeah, MWC has a network, I forgot about them.
I yanked most of those off the WWL’s website. I’ll update later in the week. I think Saturdays pick ups have to be submitted tomorrow.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Tech goes to New Mexico
another early season barn burner for the Water Pistol Warriors…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
They've lost games like this in the recent past.
They’ve been good for one kick to the balls loss even during their better years.
If I was Tubberville
I would show about zero New Mexico film after that drubbing they took at the hands of Oregon. That could be some serious over-confidence alert…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Tech match Oregon's 72?
Any takers?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Nah
Autzen is a really tough place to play no matter what, and especially to open the season. New Mexico will probably make it close, 56-10, Tech…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
New Mexico just gave up 80 to Oregon
Tech better win that game big.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
72, not 80.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You got your own problems, 4-8.
Baylor is only favored by 16 over something called Buffalo.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Your genius coach didn't look so great going for it on fourth down, did he?
You were a twenty point favorite in a game you won by 8 at home, congratulations.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Won by 8
when the other team turned it over 4 times. Fixed it for you…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
A great point.
SMU put a serious scare into Tech totally unrelated to the play of Taylor Potts.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn I love June Jones
Not that I particularly care for SMU, but it is nice to have them relevant again, being local and all. Same feelings I have for TCU, actually.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
SMU didn't look very good, to be honest.
As far as playing goes, that is; their uniforms were amazingly awesome.
A serious scare?
It was a 35-17 game in the 4th…that was not a serious scare and the score didn’t indicate just how dominant Tech was.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You and Horns130
should hang out
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
They can tell each other how much more awesome their team is than everyone else’s, and how no matter what, it will remain so forever.
And they can conveniently remember the times in the past when that has not been the case.
See: Tech’s entire tenure in the SWC and the late 90’s for UT.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I just saw this gem from Horns130
That’s incredible.
So it’s completely impossible for UT to have a “down year” under Mack, got it.
Mack Brown is now a coaching Jesus.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 8, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Are youll fucking serious
first of all, what are youll referring to as a down year?
The last time Mack failed to win 10 games was 2000….
Again, maybe when you guys say “down” i assume you mean a 7/8 win season kind of thing, and if you do, then yes, you are fucking stupid. But if you mean 9/10, then i still assume think you are mistaken this year, but it is certainly a possibility.
Josey Wales is stupid
Right
Nobody is disputing that. What we think is so incredibly dumb is how you say you will NEVER have a down year under Mack.
It’s just mind-blowingly retarded.
Just realized I meant "conveniently forget."
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 8, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
how many more games does aggie get against FBS teams?
How long can youll remain delusional this year?
look at my post below to see how stupid youll are
Josey Wales is stupid
youll isn't a word
And who is delusional? Me for suggesting that A&M should win 7-9 games this year, and if we don’t, it’ll be unacceptable?
Or is it you for saying UT will never have a down season or stretch, ever?
As I said earlier...
It depends on what you mean by down year in regards to UT, so i wont be an ass about that til its clear.
As for Aggie, I just feel like I hear how great aggie is every year when you beat some lowly teams only to be crushed…
last year it was New Mexico and UAB, after those games i had to hear how amazing A&M was only to see youll get crushed by Arkansas and lose 3 straight.
As for the 7-9 wins portion. I think that is a definitely possibility. Only one game in non-conference that you can lose (Arkansas), but that is offset by a tough conference schedule. The 5 games to end the season look especially brutal.
Tech
OU
@BU
Nebraska
@UT
that is a difficult stretch and I think that you win 2 of the 5….@ Okie Lite is the only other game you should lose in conference (which is still a game that can be won)
Josey Wales is stupid
wow...the fucking stupidity...
yeah, b/c me saying texas, a team who is really fucking good, made it to the MNC game last year, and played in the fiesta bowl the year before, and won a title 5 years ago, is a great team is ludicrous
my God you guys should stick to baseball
Josey Wales is stupid
Nobody is saying they weren't a great team last decade.
You have just gone far and beyond reason in saying they have always been better than everyone and always will be. It’s ridiculous how blind you are to history or the obvious fact that no team is great forever.
Oklahoma had a better decade than the Longhorns
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
It is debatable
I think when you factor in their down years and the issues, i think UT vaults ahead of them…but to say OU had a better decade wouldnt be outright wrong imo
it is mostly conjecture between most of the top teams
Josey Wales is stupid
Ok, ill play, not that you will listen
Overall Records:
111-19-UT….110-24-OU
Very close…slight edge to UT
They both have 1 title, both undisputed. OU played in 4, lost 3. UT played 2, lost one. OU last to a 2 loss LSU team and was absolutely embarrassed by USC. Ill give OU a slight edge here, but will say that 2 of those appearances are largely disputed, but they made it so it is ultimately irrelevant.
Bowl Games:
OU-5-5, BCS- 2-5……UT-7-3, BCS- 3-1
Edge, UT imo. But i can understand if some want to credit OU for making more BCS games. For me though, if you suck it up in those games, then it becomes irrelevant and is a knock against you.
The 6 conference titles by OU is certainly impressive.
Final Ranking (AP in parenthesis)
OU-1(1), 6(6), 5(5), 3(3), 3(3), 22(22), 11(11), 8(8), 5(5), UR
UT-12(12), 5(5), 6(7), 12(11), 5(4), 1(1), 13(13), 10(10), 3(4), 2(2)
Again, basically a wash. OU though, has 2 bad years in there, including last year, when they finished unranked, which forces me to give a slight edge to UT.
Ultimately, as you can see, yeah, it is very debatable and it mostly depends on how you weight certain things. It is also very interesting that OU dominated the early 2000s while UT dominated the late 2000s…
Josey Wales is stupid
That certainly hurts as Texas fans
but weve also turned that series around in the last 5 years including a couple blowouts of our own
but they did beat the shit out of us a few times
Josey Wales is stupid
I'm listening, I just think you're wrong.
Big XII Championships, National Titles, trips to the title game, and BCS bowl berths is what is called “results.” OU wins, easy.
Opinion
And i dont necessarily think you are wrong, but if they are unsuccessful in those, and they were, they lose points
and i also knock OU back for a couple of really bad years
again, it is really just semantics and it depends on how you want to weigh things
Josey Wales is stupid
Wait
OU LOSES points because they lost a national title game?
This is the most self-serving, BS, insane rule I have ever heard. UT had a great decade. Just not as good as OU’s.
again
You have to look at it individually
If OU loses to a 2 loss LSU team, yeah, they get punished a bit more. If OU gets absolutely embarrassed by USC, yeah, they get punished a little more. And the last one they shouldnt have been in any way.
Again it is conjecture…
Josey Wales is stupid
Oklahoma had a better decade than
Texas….it’s not a question…more championship appearances trumps all.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Sep 10, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
See...
this is where the issue is
I am taking your posts to say that texas will tank, and youre taking my posts to say texas will be amazing and undefeated/1 loss every year, and that simply isnt the case on either front
I think both of us are perceiving the arguments incorrectly, although opinions definitely do differ in some ways, I think we arent as far apart as it seems
Josey Wales is stupid
SMU had the ball down 8 points with time left on the clock.
After Tubbs made the most bonehead playcall I’ve seen this side of Mike Leach.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, they were only 50 yards away and a 2-point conversion
away from going to overtime.
That 4th down call was simply inexcusable on Tuberville’s part.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Definitely inexcusable...but Tech still dominated the game.
Definitely room to improve but I’ll take that win …new coach, first game going against a funky offense and a team that won 8 games last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
It was their first game, too, Josey.
And I thought Tubbs was such a fantastic genius of a man that there would be no dropoff?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
4-8, he's gonna make mistakes.
Leach also made his fair share.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Yes, less than 10 wins (counting the bowl) will be a colossal disappointment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
What's your minimum required
win total so as not to suffer from a colossal disappointment, fp?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I will be colossally disappointed if Mike Sherman finishes his contract with A&M.
4 more seasons after this one? Fucking murder me now.
Just out of curiosity, why do you hate Sherman so much?
Is it because he’s fat?
Or is it because he’s not good?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He keeps mackin' on FP's bitchez.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It's because he is terrible.
I’ve discussed this at length in other places, but good coaches come in and make an immediate difference. An instant one.
All of this “we have to wait four years to see what his players can do” is pure excuse making horseshit. It’s horseshit.
Dude has a losing record, by a ton of games, and is not the guy, period. He’s obviously not.
Interesting, I actually think he has a shot at being decent
I think the key for aggie, and the big mistake they made, is that they need to let go of this idea that they need to find a guy who understands aggie rather than the best possible hire
Josey Wales is stupid
The purple muu muu
is a deal-breaker.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Not what you said back during your Tech days.
We all know you love the porkers.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Give a win total, fp.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Wait, are you asking him that question on behalf of Tech or A&M?
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I just assumed A&M
I don’t give a shit about Tech, so to say I’d be disappointed at all, much less “colossally,” is silly because it doesn’t matter one way or another to me.
I think A&M should expect to win 7 games.
Less than that would be very disappointing for you guys.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, how the mighty have fallen.
The Bar of Acceptance is suddenly very low in College Station.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Well he didn't correct for
Joseyflation(TM).
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
then you will be disappointed
that is one of the worst QBs you’re going to play against this season, and he still helped put up 27 points (not counting the points he helped Tech put up).
It’s probably the worst defense you’ll see out of anything in conference play.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
We get Baylor and A&M's defense sucks dick.
Colorado, Iowa State, Mizzou aren’t exactly the ’85 Bears.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
It was 21-7 at halftime
and we missed two FGs.
Tech came out and scored a TD on their first possession to start the 2nd half and make it 28-7.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Pity the game didn't end there!
How you can claim that SMU didn’t have a chance to win the game defies explanation.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It defies explanation
until you remember who you are arguing with
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He's mostly shtick anyway, but sometimes you see true JoseyLogic
™.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They hit a 61 yard FG
and a certain interception bounded off a Tech DB’s shoulder and directly to a SMU WR for a TD.
Give the Ponies credit for hanging in there but they weren’t close to winning that game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
So
SMU was “dominated” because they had one lucky INT?
You don’t understand how “down by 8 with the ball with time,” works, do you?
I'm glad we can come together on this.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
By that logic didn't UT dominate?
One Rice TD was off a bobbled pass that went to a different receiver than intended and UT dropped at least 2 if not 3 easy pick 6’s.
I don't know ho you think Tech dominated that game
SMU averaged more yards per play than Tech did. SMU was driving to tie the game. I thought it was pretty clear that the difference in the game was the turnovers
exploding highfive
Ding ding ding!
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Tech dominated the game, period.
There was some late drama and Tech definitely has room for improvement but given all the circumstances, I’ll take the win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Tech dominated early, sure.
Then dominated nothing and almost fucked it up. That does not equal a games’ worth of dominance, of any kind.
I said "room for improvement"
They need better QB play, the running game to assert itself, convert their 4th downs, the kicking game needs to be straightened out plus they need to quit celebrating when the score is 35-17 midway thru the 4th.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
They did dominate them
but they kept leaving the door open and when the kid kicked the 61 yard FG, SMU got new life.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
THe late drama was a direct result of a game that wasn't being dominated by either team
if Tech had dominated the game, they would have put it out of reach in the first half. As it was, they were only up 2 scores
exploding highfive
13 point favorites and won by 8
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Without Alex Torres.
"Fuck Tom Hicks. There is no aspect of my baseball universe that man hasn't shit on."
"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Jerrod Johnson
Didn’t see any of the game, but his line looks good:
28-40, 322 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs. Apparently he was having trouble throwing it deep…read he was leaving the balls up.
I'm curious.
How would people rank the QB’s in the Big12 right now?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
After one week?
I’d put Griffin #1, Johnson #2, Potts #3, and a rabble after all that.
Okie State’s new QB looked decent, but I want to see him against a real defense.
Jones and Gilbert have some work to do.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
he made some beautiful throws
especially his 1st one which was a 40 yard pass right over the shoulder of justin blackmon, couldnt have placed it any better
thing that pissed me off was early in the game kendall hunter was the only thing working b/c for whatever reason our new OC only wanted to call screen plays and bubble plays and it was getting us nowhere, almost let WSU back in it for a few minutes
So many variables.
Is it based on the first week? Their career? What you think they’ll do? How many games you think the team will win? I think a lot of people would say Gilbert is the best, despite looking rather shaky week one, just because they expect UT to win 10 or 11 regular season games, and Gilbert has a ton of talent and is young.
I guess I'd phrase it as
Who will be the Best QB in the Big12 this year. I don’t mean, who will have the best numbers at the end of the year, but more which QB would you have picked to play for your team in 2010.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
that's a tough one.
you basically have to types to chose from -
The dual threats – Griffin and Johnson
The old school passer – every one else
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Hows about a redshirt freshman gaining 263 yards in 22 plays?
127 rush, 136 pass.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Who did that?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Taylor Martinez, Nebraska
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Friend was just telling me about him this morning
The Huskers are excited.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Yeah, pretty impressive first real game.
Regardless of the competition…it’s like Colby pitching well against KC, always nice to get that performance.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Well
It surely is an improvement over their constant 13-7 wins last year. What a boring team that was. If they had any offense at all, they would have destroyed UT in the Big XII title game.
+1 bullshit second
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Cmon....
There were 3 seconds when that ball landed out of bounds…
you can argue semantics, but there is no way that time shouldnt have been on the clock, it was a joke that they some how let it run down that far
Josey Wales is stupid
This has to be some kind of a joke.
Nobody is this big of a homer.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 9, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Were the refs homers for UT too then?
There was clearly time left, this isnt even remotely debatable
Josey Wales is stupid
Here's the problem...
with all of your posts/replies in this thread. Nothing is debatable to you. Everything in college football is all about UT and they are the best at everything. Anyone who thinks otherwise in your eyes knows nothing about college football and is stupid.
I stopped reading your posts or taking anything you say seriously because of your know-it-all homerism. You can be a fan of your school without being a giant tool about it to everyone else. And I don’t think you know nearly as much as you’d like to think you do.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I dont know what ive said about UT to garner this much vitriol
i dont feel ive been that much of a homer, shit, amongst UT fans im usually the antihomer
I feel like I got attacked by so many on here that i did turn into a bit more of a homer, but no one can point to one thing that i said that was outlandish…seriously, find one thing that is just way fucking out there
what, i said i thought mack was a good coach and not a blatant cheater…oh heaven fucking forbid
I said UT is a great program with a shot at the national title this year…oh God, clearly that is utter bullshit as well
I think you guys are more outlandish than me with your UT hatred
Josey Wales is stupid
When everyone of your replies...
was ’you’re fucking stupid’ or ‘you don’t know shit’ or ‘what a fucking moron’ it’s going to rub people the wrong way.
It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Look at the other side please
When every post is Texas sucks, cheats and Mack Brown is the sleaziest coach in the country…
How do you think im going to react, seriously?
Look at it like this, say you went to an AL West board, and were the only ranger fan there, and Oakland, LA, and Seattle fans bashed and posted nonsense about the rangers in every post. Would you get a little angry and short with them? My guess is you would. Thats what this is from my perspective. So yes, I have become defensive on the matter
Josey Wales is stupid
Against?
Western Kentucky Alex…
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"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
At the moment Johnson
Griffin could change my mind depending but I want to see more than one game before I feel that he is back.
I want to see Griffin throw for 300 yards just once before I change my mind.
But he looked damn good, even if it was against a patsy. That leg looks healthy again.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
In his freshman year
He threw for 294, 283 and 278 yards.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I don't see any 300s in there, chief.
Gotta have my standards.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
What an arbitrarily-strange limit.
Griffin could have had 300 easily this week if Tevin Reese catches a wide-open pass.
I've been trying to convince my family of the magic of cumin. They won't listen to me. It makes almost everything better.- PhilKid3, 8/16/2010.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Arbitrarily is thriving in the morning thread
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
That's how I'd have it, too.
Johnson is probably a better passer and has better receivers, but Griffin had a fantastic TD-Int ratio his first year, is the more electric runner and has a better (more experienced) offensive line.
I expect Gilbert will be the best Big 12 QB in 2011, I’m just not sure he gets there this year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont think many would say Gilbert is the best now
I do think a lot would say he has the chance to be the best
Josey Wales is stupid
And for the record...
Id put Johnson #1 with Griffin 2nd
but that can certainly change
Josey Wales is stupid
The 5 Star Recruit had to just love getting to pass only 23 times
on Saturday.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
This is what makes college football so great
A&M playing Steven Freaking Austin.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I love the whole
big program plays shithole patsy at home, so shithole patsy can get a payday and the big program gets a crappy win which has less meaning than NFL preseason.
Yet it all counts in the BCS system.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Yep
BCS is stupid. The BCS encourages teams like Tech to schedule their usual 2 of the first 3 gams vs. D1AA opponents. We all know it’s stupid, but nobody can honestly fault them for it.
Do you loathe college football?
Or just trying to prove that your opinion is somehow more correct than another person’s opinion?
I think the BCS system
makes College football completely ridiculous.
There is no doubt in my mind that big programs scheduling as many shithole patsies as they can makes a ton of sense, given the stupidity of the system.
I enjoy sports with two great teams with roughly equal chances of winning play competitively. That happens in less than half the games in college football.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Well yeah.
The sheer number of teams involves makes that impossible regardless of the system used to decide a champion.
I’m not entirely sure that is the case for the NFL either.
So why not
whittle it down by adding a new division, and making the top division 64 teams or so, and not play teams out of division?
These games against Rice, ULaLa, SFA and other schools who have no prayer is just silliness.
I’m ready for TCJC to field a team so Texas can schedule them.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Sure, fine by me.
While we are trimming fat, can we get rid of the Browns, Bills, Raiders Chiefs, Bucs, Seahawks, Lions, Rams, & Redskins? They aren’t exactly helping the concept of having a schedule with “two great teams with roughly equal chances of winning play competitively.”
Every one of those teams except the Lions
has made the playoffs this decade. The Raiders, Seahawks, and Bucaneers made the Superbowl.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Salary cap
causes a ridiculous amount of parody in the NFL. It’s hard to believe the Raiders played in the Super Bowl as bad as they’ve been the last couple of years. By the way, what an awful Super Bowl, Raiders vs. Bucs…
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"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
It's true, the salary cap plays a role
But I think it’s overstated. For every 5 players that’s let go due to concerns about the salary cap, it seems that 2 or 3 new stars are found from the increase in opportunity. Turnover, youth and depth are what teams strive for in the NFL; the careers are just too short.
Sure, the Bucs and Raiders are bad now (though I’d say the Raiders are probably just below average), but it wasn’t that long ago that they were bad. Look at how many teams have cycled into and out of the playoffs during the last decade and then compare it to the number of competitive teams in college.
Also, is that ‘parody’ on purpose?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is parody on purpose
The rest of the NFL got tired of watching San Fran, Pitt, Dallas etc win every Super Bowl.
To your original point, I think the NFL personnel people are hugely important because of what you mentioned. You have to hit on a good amount of mid to late draft picks and signing lower tier FA’s in order to survive.
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"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Like the Patriots...oh wait.
There’s different ways to go about it, but yeah, you have to be able to find replacement level players for cheap.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
No, it was all about money
Growing the sport, in each city the NFL lives. It’s all about making the pie bigger, as Jerry would put it.
And how do you grow interest in the sport
by giving teams hope that every year they could possibly contend. The Cardinals go from mediocre to the Super Bowl etc. The NFL is genius in that so many guys change teams every year you feel like 2 or 3 good signing could turn it around at any time…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just saying...
…the reason the salary cap is in place is not because the rest of the NFL got tired of the big boys, it was that the big boys realized that the best way to grow the NFL was to level the playing field.
So
that is parody on purpose which was GB04’s original question that I answered yes to
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
They aren't helping the concept right now though are they?
I’m not debating the idea that NFL players are more exciting and elite athletes than college players. That is plainly clear.
It’s just that if this is his criteria:
I enjoy sports with two great teams with roughly equal chances of winning play competitively. That happens in less than half the games in college football.
I’m not sure that the NFL fits. There are a ton of crappy games.
Even the worst NFL games
are more competitive than the vast majority of college games.
The only thing that college has going for it is there are so many a week, that you can accidentally stumble across the insanely tiny percentage of good games.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
I hate agreeing with you.
Hate it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
the worst, least competitive, game in Pro Football is more competitive than about 80% of the college football games.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
No joke
I don’t like anime, so I stay away from anime discussions…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry,
the dumbass A&M SFA video set me off.
The Aggie fans getting all worked up about some crap school not being good sports or something when they were scheduled to be beaten up in a display of poor sportsmanship on the Aggies part, just set me off.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Well that is silly.
The unsportsmanlike conduct was the QB talking all kinds of whiny shit after the game, and faking injuries. Faking injuries is pretty egregious, no matter what the situation.
Fans getting upset that the opponent is faking injuries and the referees are doing nothing is hardly “poor sportsmanship.”
Scheduling a team
who has no business playing at the same level as you is as much poor sportsmanship as the QB talking smack, imo.
It’d be like the Rangers scheduling the Pulaski Mariners.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
No
No, it’s nothing similar of the sort.
The thing about scheduling is that even if A&M wanted to, they wouldn’t be able to find 4 AQ teams to schedule for nonconference play. To suggest that because A&M doesn’t do that, they are being poor sports is laughably ridiculous, and you know it. You may hate A&M, but their schedule isn’t poor sportsmanship.
Bottom line, if you are an AQ team, I think your four nonconference games should be something like 2 gimmes, 1 maybe-can-lose, 1 AQ team.
I would love a TCU/A&M matchup.
Use your lawyering powers to make it happen, Pants.
"What IS your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?"
It would be cool...
….but given that we have Arkansas this year, along with the following 8 years, us scheduling any sort of second tough opponent would be kind of stupid, for BCS reasons. We will just stick to the LA Techs and SFAs.
I think that is unfair
yes, they may not be able to get AQ schools, but they could at least get FBS schools instead of SFA
Those teams arent meant to play together
And as bad as UTs schedule is, at least we dont do that
Josey Wales is stupid
Even with AA teams,
A&M’s OOC scheduling the past few years has been better than UT’s. Crappy 1-A team vs 1-AA team… meh. Granted, it wasn’t that long ago that UT played OSU, but still…
Agree
And im very critical of UTs scheduling, as are most UT fans. But as has been discussed it is improving a lot.
I will say this though, when UT put UCLA on the schedule, they didnt know if they would be good or down…they are down right now
We have ND in 4 years, it wont be UTs fault if they suck. We have USC in 7 years, wont be our fault if they suck.
The way schedules are done a lot of it just comes down to dumb luck.
Josey Wales is stupid
Bullshit
Now you are just making shit up
the last time that UT played a FCS team was in 2006
Its so easy to just make things up
Josey Wales is stupid
x
“the last time that UT played a FCS team was in 2006”
So I’m apparently lying that UT does it.
Good talk.
You cant be fucking serious
I quote…“UT does it all the time”
That is clearly a lie….you cannot debate this
we have done it once in 5 years, and we only did it then because we really had no choice
Josey Wales is stupid
Exactly...
acting like there aren’t any blow outs or horrible games in the NFL amuses me.
The NFL has their own Steven Austin’s too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No,
they really don’t
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
Yes they do...
watch the Lions or Raiders play lately?
And if you don’t think so then like Future pants said above, watch the NFL. You don’t have to bitch about college football in every college thread ya know.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think it's possible to like both
But the argument that the NFL has less competitive games or teams that are just as bad as the bottom-feeders in college is just simply not true, for many reasons.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The wonderful thing about college,
is that even with a lower percentage of competitive games, there are so many more games that every week you’re probably going to have more awesome games than in the NFL. Especially with the shorter season and increased impact a single loss can have, if you factor in meaningfulness of games (and if they got rid of the BCS there’d be even more meaningful games in college).
Not really.
They have teams like Michigan or Tennessee that go through bad periods, but very few stay bad for 10 years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think a playoff would really change that
At large bids to the playoffs would be determined in the same way, where wins matter more than the opponant
exploding highfive
Not if
you said your six power conference champs get in and then you take 2 at large teams from Non-AQ conferences as long as they meet a certain criteria. That system last year would have allowed Boise and TCU to at least ahve a shot for the title.
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"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be ideal
and you’d essentially keep the “everygame is a playoff” aspect of it, at least for conference games
exploding highfive
Yep
and it makes the season a bit more reasonable in that an early fluke loss doesn’t kill the season. I often wonder how many 8-4, 7-5 teams lost an early one and had the wind leave their sails for the rest of the year.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
What Boise State did last night
is terrible going forward for college football.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Explain
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Please don't feed him on that topic.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He won't explain
He never does. We’re safe.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Josey's funny,
since when he’s not talking about his own school he sounds exactly like the sort of old curmudgeon who also hates the Texas Techs of the world and their newfangled offenses and lack of defense and so on.
I know
I can’t believe Josey would embrace that monstrosity of the forward pass at his ole alma mater.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would I hate what Texas Tech does?
Mike Leach found a way to exploit the inefficiencies of the market…kind of the Billy Beane of college football coaches.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Please don't
credit Leach soley for creating that offense. That offense is Hal Mumme’s baby all the way.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did you see that I said Leach created that offense?
Everybody steals ideas from each other and Leach found a way to exploit the inefficiencies of the market.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Boise's just exploiting the market inefficiency regarding strength of schedule and polls in the BCS system.
You should like them too!
by Closure GT on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking forward to seeing if Florida St. is for real.
Also to see if Jacory Harris is going to take the next step this year.
OU's D better be ready, or they'll be out of it early.
Same goes for tOSU’s.
ACC might be very dangerous this year.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Someone on EDSBS last night compared the uni's in BSU/VT to the ones used in Starship Troopers.
Pretty similar, if you ask me.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
My gosh...Norm has his Top 10 out this morning.
Boise State 1, TCU 4, Utah 9, BYU 10.
Vomit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You still didn't explain
why Boise winning was so bad for college football…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Boise State is very likely going to play for the national championship after
last night although they will play the weakest schedule.
Everybody else beats up on each other while Boise plays a cupcake schedule, goes 12-0 and then waltzes into the national championship game.
Why will anybody schedule tough out of conference games after this bullshit?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Money.
It’s the only reason the schedule tough out of conference games right now anyway.
You don’t see that that trend has been going on for ages?
The BCS is broken in many ways (the disincentive to schedule good OOC matchups being one of the bigger ones), so anything that results in the power conferences being screwed by it is something that takes us closer to getting rid of it, and so is good for college football in the long run.
Actually youre wrong
dead wrong
UT gets more money scheduling shitty teams than they do good ones. When UT schedules said shitty teams they get them for a home/away/home schedule and sometimes only home games. That equals money. Good teams play home and homes which takes away money from you.
The money angle is wrong
Josey Wales is stupid
For non-UT schools, then.
Most schools won’t sell out against some 1-AA school, for instance. It also helps with exposure and recruiting (for the non-UT schools of the world, again).
But the return game thing probably does have something to do with how the latest trend is big OOC games being at neutral sites as one-year things.
Well
the Big 12 has two open spots, add TCU and Boise St. and then you wouldn’t have to worry about it.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see them nut up and add TCU.
And try to find a way to steal Arkansas.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be fun
and please, by no means think I am saying TCU would run the table in the Big 12 every year.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"Hello Win Column!!!"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the idea of keeping regional talent in the region.
I don’t see a way to pull LSU out of the SEC, but I think it would be advantageous for Arkansas to jump ship.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
How?
The SEC has a much better TV contract.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
But the Big12 could give them similar money
Because of unequal money distribution. Plus if they went to the North, they would be solid bets every year to make it to the Big 12 Championship game and thus contending for a BCS game almost every year. Throw in better recruiting in Texas and I really think it makes more sense for them.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Big XII is wondering how they are going to actually pay $20 MM to UT, A&M, and OU the next two years.
Giving Arkansas a raise to leave the SEC would probably mean $20 million for them, too. It’s simply impossible.
I'm under the assumption
that there will be new TV contract money soon. If UT could come off of this ridiculous one school TV network and form an active Big12 Network, I think they could get it done.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
There will be a new TV deal.
But there won’t be for the next two seasons. The Big XII has to beg, borrow and steal cash to make the guaranteed payments to those three schools. It’s already dicey….and it would be a lot worse if there were another $20 MM outgoing to someone.
Well
I meant adding in 2 years with a new TV deal, but you do bring up a good point.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Well that exposes my bias.
I think Beebe is a sleaze, and I think it’s a coin flip whether he can get the TV deal he has essentially promised – because if he can’t, he is going to welch on his money commitments to OU, UT and A&M.
If they don’t get the deal, the Big XII will break up.
And if they would have had their shit together in the first place
My favorite team wouldn’t have split :(
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Imagine if UT hadn't acted like such pricks?
Even if Colorado jumps because it had been courted by the Pac-10 for so long, a new Big 12 network and a good choice to replace them makes the conference so much more viable.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Well, I think UT always thought they were the head voice at the table
I think they could have been much more open to input from the other teams in the conference. And that has/had been going on for years.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah,
I believe that, I think big 12 breakup is actually still the most likely scenario.
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I think you are a little off
My understanding is that TV deal is already done.
Supposedly a lot of people believe the networks gave the big XII all that money because they desperately wanted to avoid the super conference mess.
Beebe is a sleaze though
Josey Wales is stupid
TV deal is not done.
Not even close. What Beebe did was extrapolate money from the existing deals and essentially say, “Ours will obviously be better!”
No TV deal is in place, period. Not even a preliminary deal. Not even a conversation.
Hmmmm
Im not sure ive read the same things….
but im admittedly not sure so i wont act like i am. But i couldve sword i read that the deals were done…
Josey Wales is stupid
They might be able to give them similar TV money,
but can they give them as good bowl tie-ins (even 3rd-and-lower SEC teams have a pretty good set of bowls)? Or as many tickets sold (is Arkansas someone who’s going to sell out all their home games regardless? I don’t know.)?
Bowl tie-ins can change relatively quickly.
If Arkansas were interested in moving, the Big XII would make it happen.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that easy to grab better bowl tie-ins,
and just adding Arkansas isn’t going to be enough to sway a major bowl (no guarantee that they’d end up with them anyway). If anything, I think Arkansas would just be enough to help the Big XII avoid losing a big bowl after losing a couple of teams.
Capital One, Cotton, Outback, and Peach are all NYE or later, and a clear step up from the Cotton, Holiday, and Gator.
The Cotton is a step up from the Cotton?
Just kidding with you.
If you list four bowls for them and three for the Big XII, they’re obviously going to come out better.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I did that in order, and stopped after (what I consider) the second tier ones.
I didn’t think Music City or Alamo were worth including. And I screwed up because the Gator declined to renew with Big XII (and didn’t always take a Big XII team anyway).
Though it is interesting to note that the Music City Bowl pays more than the Alamo.
So it’s probably more in favor of the SEC than I made it look!
Probably.
I don’t think anyone would accuse the Big XII of having its shit together all the time.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Going forward it looks like these are the affiliations:
SEC:
Capitol One
Cotton
Outback
Peach
Gator
Liberty
Music City
Birmingham
Big XII:
Cotton
Alamo
Insight
Holiday
Texas
Pinstripe
Dallas Football Classic (?)/EagleBank
Yikes. That’s a pretty nasty downgrade Arkansas would be looking at.
I'm unsure.
But I’d have to think the increased competitiveness would help. Plus, wouldn’t you expect more traveling fans from Mizzou and Kansas than South Carolina?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Arkansas would be a new state, though a relatively small one.
States matter for television conferences, that’s why you see so much interest in BYU.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true.
But I think there’s something to be said for developing rivalries with closer schools. I think of the NBA where the San Antonio-Houston-Dallas rivalry has been good for professional basketball in Texas. I don’t know how you calculate it, but it’s a non-zero amount that I think gets grossly overlooked. Random observer in the current major media markets for the Big 12 are more likely to care about Arkansas than Boise or (probably) BYU.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
BYU already has a nationwide network too
Although a lot of schools won’t let their games be on there because of the obvious religious reasons.
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TCU brings nothing the Big XII wants going forward.
It’s sad, but it’s true.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
Except a better quality of football (and baseball) with less traveling than the ideal TV candidates would provide.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain
what do Baylor and Iowa St. add that TCU doesn’t?
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Non sequitur
Baylor and Iowa State are already in the conference, and the Big XII is not looking to shed schools.
This isn’t about TCU being in and someone else being out, it’s about TCU being in, and if you’re talking about expansion for the Big XII, TCU doesn’t bring a new state for a TV footprint or a huge number of fans or viewers for the conference.
What, aside from another strong school, does TCU bring to the conference?
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing,
but kicking out already-in schools is an entirely different beast than declining to add a new school.
Geez.
This Baylor vs. TCU discussion has to pop up in any discussion of college football on this site doesn’t it?
by michael bluth on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's pretty stupid.
I never said anything about TCU vs. Baylor here, I was just commenting on what TCU might bring to the Big XII.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Sep 7, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But
to say TCU adds nothing when you are already carrying dead weight is 100% true. You add the DFW markeptlace to your conference, the ability to recruit with games in the area etc.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh.
You already have the D/FW market with the 2 largest schools in the state plus OU’s huge draw. Then there’s the fact that the 4 Texas Big 12 South teams play a game against each other in Dallas.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Who do you think has the biggest presence in the DFW marketplace at the moment?
Not the Big 12 already?
The big 12 already plays games in the area (Texas-OU, Ark,-A&M, Big 12 title game), the schools already recruit heavily from this area. Adding TCU to the conference really brings in no new viewers/fans, but just makes the member schools split their money, which wouldn’t really incr