Why Tommy Hunter should not be in the rotation come October
First and foremost, no this is not a knee-jerk reaction. Going over some statistics and looking at other possible number 4 starters on other playoff teams and comparing (I found each team's depth charts and pulled some stats from the number 4 pitcher from each rotation. The Yankees had 6 starting pitchers on their depth chart, so if someone can help me find out who is most likely to be their number 4 come October, I'd appreciate it).
I did use stats from NL pitchers as well, which I know I probably shouldn't do as they face different levels of talent and the NL doesn't have a DH, but it's still a decent reference point.
Tommy Hunter, until recently, has been a pretty solid number 4 or 5 pitcher for our rotation. But we can not rely on him come October, and here's why.
First, let's look at other number 4 pitchers on playoff teams.
AL
Brian Duensing (MIN) - 99.0 IP, 55 K, 22 BB, 0.64 HR/9, 1.4 WAR, 2.09 ERA
Wade Davis (TB) - 139.1 IP, 90 K, 54 BB, 1.42 HR/9, 0.3 WAR, 4.39 ERA
NL
Joe Blanton (PHI) - 142.1 IP, 101 K, 33 BB, 1.39 HR/9, 1.5 WAR, 5.25 ERA
Jair Jurrjens (ATL) - 107.2 IP, 81 K, 40 BB, 0.75 HR/9, 1.7 WAR, 4.10 ERA
Homer Bailey (CIN) - 81.0 IP, 63 K, 28 BB, 0.89 HR/9, 1.3 WAR, 5.00 ERA
Now I know those NL stats would be quite a bit different if they were in the AL, but still a decent reference point.
Now, For Tommy Hunter's stats
Tommy Hunter (TEX) - 106.0 IP, 53 K, 29 BB, 1.7 HR/9, 0.1 WAR, 3.99 ERA
UPDATE (for poll)
Derek Holland(TEX) – 34.2 IP, 31 K, 14 BB, 1.6 HR/9, 0.2 WAR, 4,93 ERA
Don't think there is enough info on Holland this season to make a decision to go with him just yet, but thank you DJCahill for pointing out that i forgot to add in his stats.
There are two things that are alarming to me.
With the exception of Joe Blanton in Phillie, all the pitchers have a similar K/B ratio as Tommy, but every one of them has a lower HR/9 rate, and if we don't have home field in the playoffs, you could be looking at game 4 of the any series at the Ballpark in Arlington. I don't want Tommy pitches against the Yankees or anyone else for that matter in a possible deciding game in a hitter friendly park, especially if he is pitching the way he has been lately.
Beyond HR/9, Tommy has the lowest WAR (according to fangraphs) of any possible number 4 playoff pitcher. While I'm not sure what to do about a replacement, these two things don't add up to playoff success in Arlington.
UPDATE: Playoff Schedule
ALDS Games: Games 1 & 2 Oct. 6,7
Games 3 (& 4 if needed) Oct. 9, 10
Game 5 (if needed) Oct. 12
ALCS Games: Games 1 & 2 Oct. 15,16
Games 3 & 4 Oct. 18,19
(if needed) Game 5 Oct. 20
Game 6 Oct. 22
Game 7 Oct. 23
World Series: Games 1 & 2 Oct 27,28
Games 3 & 4 Oct. 30,31
(if needed) Game 5 Nov. 1
Game 6 Nov. 3
Game 7 Nov. 4
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You neglected some information that's pertinent to your question
Derek Holland(TEX) – 34.2 IP, 31 K, 14 BB, 1.6 HR/9, 0.2 WAR, 4,93 ERA
to go with
Tommy Hunter (TEX) – 106.0 IP, 53 K, 29 BB, 1.7 HR/9, 0.1 WAR, 3.99 ERA
It’s odd to try to compare 2 folks with stats, but only post one players stats.
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I added the question and then forgot about Holland
My bad there, but all the same, I don’t like Hunter.
I don’t think though that we have enough info on Holland to make a decision. Just my thought, but some people seem to think so, so I made sure he was in the poll.
Hunter 5.46 FIP 4.95 xFIP
Holland 4.78 FIP 4.49 xFIP, bit of a small sample, but 5.10 FIP & 4.38 xFIP last year
Feldman 4.63 FIP 4.86 xFIP
Harden 6.19 FIP. 5.79 xFIP
I think Holland has the best chance of giving you a dominating start, so I would lean toward him. Not going to be butt hurt if Feldy gets the ball though. If it ends up being Harden, I may go on a pearing spree.
What are you going to do in the most likely scenario?
Hunter as the 4th man?
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3 man rotation...
will be fine in the ALDS. I haven’t looked at the ALCS dates to know if a 4th starter will be needed or not.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thanks...
Hmmmm, now that only shows 3 off days between games 1 and 4 in both the ALDS and ALCS in which case you’d probably want to go with a 4th starter.
The Rangers will probably go with Hunter, but I’d go with whatever pitcher looks better between him and Holland over their next 4 starts or so with Holland probably being the better choice.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Under that tentative schedule
I keep Hunter on my playoff roster but don’t use him in either of the first two games.
If we are up 2-1 after game 3 then I let him pitch game 4 and that lines Lee up for either Game 1 of the ALCS or fully rested for game 5 of the ALDS
If we are down 2-1 then Lee pitches game 4 on short rest and then whoever pitched game 2 gets game 5 on regular rest
It's all a moot point because of this
because i just don’t see how this rangers team is going to get out of the first round
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
if we are all healthy and Lee is pitching like Lee
I don’t see why we can’t get out of the ALDS no matter who we play. If we are all healthy and pitching well, we could very well see June in October
That said, even if everyone is healthy, we could see August in October, so it’s anybody’s guess as to which it’ll be.
I agree
You are asking for several things to come together though: health, pitching (which also entails good defense). With Josh Hamilton being hurt for an extended period, Lee being in a funk and not healthy, countless base running and defensive gaffes, I’m just having a hard time finding confidence.
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Sep 7, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably the same thing
the ’06 Cardinal fans, and the ’87 Twins fans said.
"Look, we're basically on earth to shit and fuck. So unless your job's to help people shit or fuck, it's not that important, so relax."-https://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

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