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Evan Grant on the Thome situation

Evan Grant has a blog post up that looks at how signing Jim Thome could impact the Rangers' roster, lineup, et al.

Grant suggests that signing Thome would mean Michael Young taking 40-50 PAs apiece from Elvis Andrus, Adrian Beltre, and Ian Kinsler, with him playing the field a lot when Thome DHs, and with Young and Mitch Moreland each losing close to 100 PAs as a result.  I don't see the Rangers playing Young at shortstop, though, so I don't know that that's an accurate number.

Grant also breaks down where the bench likely stands right now without Thome, and lists Chris Davis as a possible 25th man as a defensive specialist, which I have to think has no chance of happening.  The Rangers aren't going to waste a bench spot on a third string first baseman, particularly given that Davis is someone who could have a future in the league, and if he's going to have a future, should be in the minors getting regular ABs, not coming into the game to play defense in the 9th.

Craig Gentry or Endy Chavez probably are the primary candidates for the 25th man spot right now, as either of them could play centerfield against lefty pitchers and pinch run.

I've still got issues with how Thome would fit on this roster, given how it is currently constructed.  Thome really doesn't fit, I don't think, unless you are going to have him replace Mitch Moreland on the roster, and have Moreland start the season in AAA, with Young being your everyday first baseman.  Of course, if you do that, that eliminates the roster flexibility and ability to use Young at multiple infield positions, which was supposedly the plan.

And it also means that you've still got to go find a righthanded hitter to split time with Thome at DH or to play first base against lefties so Young can DH, since you aren't going to have Thome play every day, and you presumably don't want David Murphy to be your primary DH against lefthanded pitching.

For all the carping on the twittersphere about the Rangers being too righthanded-oriented and needing Thome because they need to be more lefthanded, people seem to be ignoring the fact that their bench and part-time players are mostly lefty hitters.  Adding Thome makes David Murphy useless, since he's not going to play against righthanders, and you don't want to play him against lefties.  Which is what prompted my comment about trading Murphy for Marlon Byrd, although the Cubs probably wouldn't do that.

The Rangers' bigger issue, it seems to me, is that they are vulnerable to lefthanded pitching as the roster is currently constructed, and adding Thome makes that worse, not better.  Yes, adding Thome means that you've got a fallback position if Moreland struggles, but it still means that you've got a problem with your lineup against lefthanded pitching.

If the Rangers sign Thome, it doesn't really solve their roster construction problems, and it puts them in the same situation they were in last year, where they've got a lack of flexibility with their DH spot, a player who can't field taking up a spot on the roster, and too many lefties in the lineup against LHPs.

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The main thing adding thome does in my mind

is gives you depth in case of injury/trade/ineffectiveness. If Mitch or Julio struggle mightily, having Thome allows either one of them to be benched (with mitch being able to play a COF spot if needed)…Players are going to get hurt and right now we have Murph as depth… After that it’s Blanco and then Gentry? That’s fine and not detrimental, but having Thome puts Mitch into that list and makes the team much more able to withstand missing a month of one of Kins/Cruz/Hammy. I think the plate appearance would work themselves out with injuries/days off.

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Except...

…they are putting Moreland in a position to fail, since he’d essentially only start against LHPs.

If this is a depth move, they still need to bring in another RH hitter and let Moreland start the season at AAA.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily...

He would play whenever people are hurt, which isn’t just against LHP… If Kins/Beltre/Thome missed a game Young could play their spot and Mitch at first. Murph does the same for the outfield… And if there’s a trade then that’s even more playing time.

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Jan 12, 2011 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Come on
He would play whenever people are hurt

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Come on what?

Isn’t that what depth means? Being able to fill in with quality replacements in the case of injury, trade or ineffectiveness. Thome also makes us much more able to include Moreland/Murph into a trade deadline deal for a TORP.

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Jan 12, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

Maybe if he was a high upside prospect, but given his upside, bench bat isn’t a completely unlikely role for him. I have no idea why you would treat him differently than say, Lee Stevens. If a lot of injuries happen, he’ll get playing time. I’m sure Wash would use him some, because Wash seems to like making sure everyone gets ABs.

However, this notion that you should only play a player from the minors if you are going to start him, and then go out and pick up a veteran like Cantu or Garko, or whatever for your bench guy is just asinine, imo.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You want him as a bench bat?

Fine. Except, as I noted above, almost all his ABs are going to be against LHPs.

Would you want Lee Stevens to come here to primarily hit against LHPs?

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Well,

I also want Manny or Vlad instead of Thome, so some of his ABs would be against RHPs.

I just don’t think Thome fits our bench, also, I think someone is going to overpay him based on last years stats, which look like an outlier to me.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

My point is that...

…if your argument is that Moreland is going to play when someone is hurt, there’s no point having him on the 25 man roster until someone gets hurt, because he’s got no other utility.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Why does he start only against LHPs?

And why is that such a horrible thing, given what we know about his minor league splits being pretty even against lefties and righties.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay

Your position is that, in the majors, Moreland isn’t going to have splits? He’s going to hit the same against RHPs as LHPs?

Really?

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I think its ridiculous as of right now

to say that Moreland starting against lefties is putting him in a position to fail. Maybe he’ll do worse against lefties, but I don’t see that as a large problem this needs to figure out if Thome comes here.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It is putting him in a position to fail

when you aren’t able to utilize him for his greatest asset

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That's being a bit overdramatic

or exaggerating how bad he will be against lefties and how little he will play against righties.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't you think the biggest question concerning the addition of Thome has to do

with the organization’s stance on Borbon and how much CF they want Josh to play in 2011?

If Josh is in CF for a certain number of games, that breaks the logjam and allows Murphy to play both corners.

I don’t want to get rid of Murphy. We have to believe Josh & Cruz are going to break down or have some kind of minor injury and Murphy is so good in the role of 4th OF.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

No

Because if that were the case, they’d be looking for an outfielder, not a DH who would start 90 games a year.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Whether or not they're looking for an OF that can play CF and hits RH is separate from whether or not they actually need one. If Thome is used like he was last year (started 79 games at DH), there are more than enough at bats left

for both Young & Moreland leftover at 1B & DH (that’s 245 games). Let’s say the Rangers have 108 games v starters that are RH and 54 v LH.

Thome gets 79 starts at DH like he did last year.
Murphy gets 29 starts at DH v RH pitchers.
Murphy gets 60 starts at RF & LF (gives both Cruz & Josh 30 games off)
Young gets 54 starts at DH v LH pitchers.
Young gets 62 games at 1B v LH pitchers
Moreland gets 100 games at 1B v RH pitchers.

What if Young is used as the super utility and gets another 30-35 games at 2B-3B? That takes Young to 150 games, Moreland is at 100 games and Murphy is at 89 games.

You can also create more time for Murphy if you move Josh to CF for 30-40 more games. That moves Murphy to 120-130 games.

It’s really not that hard but we still need (just like we did last year) an OF that can play CF and hits RH.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Has Young made any comments about

His playing regularly at 1B versus the DH/Utility role.

Long-term Lurker

by Wemedge on Jan 12, 2011 11:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

a thing about Manny

is that I can’t see him being happy at all being part of a platoon. He’d get Vlad-level playing time, or he isn’t coming here.

So anyone wondering how we can find enough time for Moreland/Murphy – I think it would get worse with Manny, not better – despite him being right-handed.

by todmod on Jan 12, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Moreland would start in AAA, I assume

With Young at 1b

I don’t want Manny, but I’d be excited if he signed

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

This is what I have been saying too

Thome already knows he is a part timer, no so sure with Manny.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If you got Manny

why would you platoon him? DH him every day.

As far as finding time for Moreland and Murphy, I don’t see a compelling need to worry about it. I suspect Murphy will end up getting plenty of time at Borbon’s expense if Borbon can’t hit his way out of a wet paper sack. As far as Moreland, he can ride pine and watch big leaguers play and be a bench guy.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

If you have the money

and its a one year deal how could signing Thome be negative? Its not like we are signing him and so we can’t extend Josh or Nellie. I see no negative here……………

by blueballlefty on Jan 12, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

You didn't read the post did you?

That would explain what he thinks the negatives are.

"I fully expect to lose tonight" -- LSJ

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess I just don't see any of them as negatives

I mean hell worst case scenario we don’t need him and ship him of for a ptbnl which means we can make sure he doesn’t go to an AL threat.
to me it seems like Adam just doesn’t like thome but can’t really give us a reason we shouldn’t sign him

by blueballlefty on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

if there was a

RH Jim Thome out there then sure we should sign him but there isn’t and so we sign Thome because we can

by blueballlefty on Jan 12, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

well there is a RH DH out there

with a career line of .313 / .411 / .586

by tricer on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

And he wants a

one year deal, from all reports.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like how

Milton Bradley destroyed the team when he came here.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Wash vouched for Milton Bradley

I don’t know if he vouches for Ramirez

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Manny declining?

If so, how much? Career wOBA | wRC+ is .418 | 156, monthly as follows:

Apr : .483 | 211
May: .280 | 75
Jun : .446 | 186
July: .175 | 4
Aug: .328 | 107
Sep: .353 | 118

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

When was the last time he played a full month of July?

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"I'm all about the three S's" in a lady's voice

Does that new Sam’s Club commercial make anyone else uncomfortable?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

What to do against LHP is a problem

but its really only in the unlikely chance that everyone is healthy. I think the team sees the potential problems with adding another lefty bat who can only DH, but they would still rather have the big bat insurance for when/if Hamilton and Kinsler go down with an injury.

Murphy will get his playing time in just like he did last year when people were asking the same thing. Between injuries, days off, and days when Hamilton will unfortunately be playing CF, he’ll get at least a 250 PAs, possibly a lot more. Then he’ll also get some DH ABs probably, though I think you’d rather give Thome a couple of days off against RHP and give those to Murphy while giving Thome the LHP days.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

You know who hits lefties well?

Pujols.

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 12, 2011 11:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

What's the worst case scenario for StL right now?

I’m thinking it’s that they don’t get Albert extended, and are competitive around the deadline, and end up losing him on the market for two firsts.

I also like to imagine this happening, because I like to imagine a late night board meeting for RBE where Chuck stands up and says ‘Pujols?’ and is greeted by Bob and Ray shooting off six-shooters and stamping their feet.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

And the number on his jersey is

$Texas

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 12, 2011 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And the Advil and beef clause Nolan puts in his contract

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone should shop KC when prospects are coming back

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

And if this could be arranged to happen at the same time as MY hitting another grand slam...
I also like to imagine this happening, because I like to imagine a late night board meeting for RBE where Chuck stands up and says ‘Pujols?’ and is greeted by Bob and Ray shooting off six-shooters and stamping their feet.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree on this point
The Rangers’ bigger issue, it seems to me, is that they are vulnerable to lefthanded pitching as the roster is currently constructed, and adding Thome makes that worse, not better.

With the current roster, you have either Moreland or Murphy starting every game against LHP. If you add Thome, you still have just one of Thome, Moreland, or Murphy starting every game against LHP.

How does the lineup get worse against LHP?

(Also, I don’t believe adding Thome will cost us a backup RH OF. There are ways to fit Thome and a RHB on this roster.)

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

No

You’ve got two of Thome, Moreland, Murphy and Borbon starting every game against LHPs.

And the only way you get Thome and a RH hitting OF on the roster is if Young is your UIF, which isn’t going to happen.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?

Moving Young to UIF is just one example. Another option is keeping Moreland at AAA:

2b Kinsler
1b Young
LF Hamilton
RF Cruz
DH Thome
3b Beltre
C Yorvit
CF Borbon
SS Andrus

Bench:
OF Murphy
OF Gentry (or Johnson or Hairston, etc.)
IF Blanco
C Treanor

You could also trade Murphy and use Moreland in that role. Just because you add Thome doesn’t mean you have to give up your RH outfield bat.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That squad has, like, zero games of 1B experience in the past four years

Which may not mean anything in the great scheme of things, but that’s kinda scary to ride into town with.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It definately matters.

My point is that you don’t have to give up your RHB when you sign Thome.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Murphy played a game I believe

and if Young sucks, you go back to Moreland. Not like you are giving up on him

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Good idea

It would save bytes and all…

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

It sucks

Much more difficult to pick out who’s batting 4th scrolling across than scrolling down

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I was being MY-tious

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What you did there

I see it

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Putting Moreland in AAA is a different story

Of course, if you do that, you eliminate the whole “Young can spell the other IFs” thing, since you have no backup 1B>=

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you are right

Mooreland has to go down th AAA to get his at bats until there is an injury and then you can bring him back up. I’m not real wild about it, but as nearly as I see it right now Beltre is an upgrade over Young at 3B. Young and Thome will be an upgrade at DH. 1B is probably Young, with Thome and Blanco as the backup, and that’s a little awkward. You need another right handed bat, preferably in the outfield. One way or another, Thome takes at bats away from Mooreland, Murphy and maybe to a certain extent Young. I can live with Thome being signed, but I won’t weep if he isn’t.

by Philar on Jan 12, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

When we're going against starting LHP, my line-up wouldn't have Thome or Borbon.

V LHs….Andrus (SS), Young (DH), Josh (CF), Cruz (RF), Beltre (3B), Kinsler (2B), Murphy(LF), Yorvit ©, Moreland (1B).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

You're trying to make this an impossible problem to solve

when it’s not (while also being a subtle protector of Borbon).

I’ll never understand why you think he’s so damned good.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

There's an in between, ya know?

You think the 1.3 WAR player is worthless

Others view him as an above replacement, though not fantastic player….

And, he’s cheap

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

WAR has it's merits but it can also be shot full of holes.

Elvis rolled a 1.5 WAR last year and do you really think that Judy was that close to him as a player last year?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah....

I’d say the main difference in value between the two was Elvis’s base running.

Other than that, I think they’re similar players last season. Elvis sucked with the bat

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Also didn't grade out well defensively, either.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Elvis was terrible with the bat and his fielding wasn’t as good either

by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Borbon was not the worst player in the history of baseball last year as your eyeball test seems to have decided

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the worst player in baseball last year but certainly the dumbest

player I’ve ever seen in the major leagues in my life.

Wasn’t coincidental This Thing played it’s best baseball with his ass stapled to the bench.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

They also played a good deal of "this thing" with him roaming CF

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It makes perfect sense that you believe he's a very good player.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

This Thing played it's best baseball in June (21-6) and Borbon played in 25 of those 27 games

Explain that, dumbass.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh burn!

"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote

by Schultzy on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You just blew my mind.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

That. Just. Happened.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he said that

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

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by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Point me to where I said he was a very good player.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The best baseball I saw This Thing play didn't happen against PIttsburgh,

Houston, Florida and Milwaukee in June.

The best baseball I saw came in the ALDS and ALCS and at that time Judy was reduced to being one of the Cha Chas.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

By golly, ignore the .778 winning percentage because Josey doesn't want to acknowledge it!

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The new strategy is passive/aggressive Rodney.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hardly.

He got his widdle baseball feelings hurt to such a degree that he felt compelled to send me a pm over at NMLR telling me he wanted to “meet” me.

It was equal parts freaky and creepy…and to be honest, I did LMAO at the fact that I got into his head that deeply.

He no longer replies to me but subsists on a passive/aggressive stance (throwing daggers without responding directly).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

hey Josey............wanna meet?

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Jan 12, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Jan 12, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not as interested

in their masturbation habits.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

your obsession with him is borderline stalker now

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

it kinda is.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

How can it be if we never converse?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

It doesn't count if there were no pics

swapped.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

20 times in just the past 2 days

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The LSB audience is fluid and always

growing.

Somebody today heard it for the first time.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgetting the majority are we?

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The obsession is so bad

that you think everyone needs to know about it. Seriously, seek professional help.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't mean the enthusiastic kind, btw.

Although I’m sure that’s JW’s only option when it comes time for his yearly squeeze.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, TJihad wanted to know the story

a couple of days ago and it was mentioned off-handedly today.

If somebody asks about it, I’ll tell him what happened.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew the story

I just wanted sexts messages. I want to see some Farving

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

It can't see why it's obsessive?

That you need every single person that may visit LSB to know the story

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

just put it in your sig, Hoops.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't need for them to know it

but if they ask, I’ll share.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he probably wanted to meet you to box with you.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Your vision sucks.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Although

I think there is an argument that UZR isn’t all that either, and their Fangraph WARs are only close if you use their UZRs. Baseball Reference comes up with a different conclusion with their WAR.

I still think all defensive stats are still too primitive to make your decisions based on one metric or another.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about an overhaul but any stat that has

Judy Borbon that close to Elvis in terms of value or performance is deeply flawed.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, why overhaul?

Not entirely sure you’re incorrect, and certainly elements can and should have improved reliability going forward (notably defense), but which weight is off so much it needs an overhaul and what is that based on?

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's usage needs an overhaul.

I see it cited too often as almost gospel. The discussion about Holland the other day, people were saying he had a better WAR than Hunter last year. He may be a better pitcher, but there’s no way he was more valuable last year.

BR had Choo 2nd and Hamilton 6th. Choo’s really good, but he wasn’t better than Hamilton. Of course, Fangraphs had Hamilton 1st, so it gets more convoluted on which is being used.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the usage issues,

but you seem to be using it in the same way.

It’s much more useful to state the argument about why and how you think WAR is missing the mark than to simply state it’s wrong.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Any stat that shows Judy Borbon to be that close to

Elvis is flat-out wrong.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon Math Dorks...shake that alphabet

tree and spin, spin, spin and then show the world why Judy Borbon is almost as good (according to WAR) as Elvis.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Because he was better at defense and only 8 points worse b wOBA offensively

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was hard...

Josey, why don’t you tell us why you think Elvis was heads and shoulders better than Borbon last year?

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Much better OBP, was able to hit a much better lead-off, took a lot more walks, took a lot more pitches, scored more runs, played a more

difficult position on the defensive spectrum and stole more bases (CS% was close).

Elvis was far more consistent on offense. He had two months of a sub .298 OBP while Judy had four months (!!!!) of a sub .296 OBP.

Elvis gets a 1.5 WAR and Judy gets a 1.3 WAR?

That’s a deeply flawed stat.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's the issue

they were both awful. And Fangraphs doesn’t dispute that Elvis was better than Borbon. But the fact that Elvis played a lot more than Borbon means that Elvis contributed more to the suck than Borbon did.

That, and Elvis was worse than Borbon at defense.

Thus, the discrepancy.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait just a second

You’re saying that one guy having 718 PAs and another having 468 PAs could be a reason for a major difference in the counting stats?!

That just blew my mind.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you please stop with the 27 word subject lines!

Usually you should be able to introduce a subject in ten words or less!

by Philar on Jan 12, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Side note: leading off the game is overrated.

Since it happens only 81 times per season for any team.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

How far apart should they be?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

As far as not citing it as gospel, I agree, but that's not a WAR issue, that's an everything issue.

People cite the evidence they’ve decided to use as “gospel” far too often.

For instance, you citing your anecdotal belief of Hunter having been more valuable than Holland in 2010 as in “no way” possibly incorrect.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

128 innings of 3.73 ERA is more valuable than 57 innings of 4.08 ERA.

If they were ERAs in the 5.00’s than I could see it being a detriment to provide those innings to the club.

Now I agree that Hunter is a prime candidate for regression, but as far as last year, I don’t see how he wasn’t more valuable than Holland.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that's an easy one.

FWAR, for instance, is trying to give pitchers credit only for what they can control.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

FWAR!!!!

When in doubt, shake up the alphabet!!!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey look kids, a new meme!

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Goddamn it

I leave for lunch and a hilarious thread/meme combo breaks out!

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Same defenses and home park.

What am I missing in the formula that makes Holland more valuable last year? And that’s not meant to be smart ass, I look at Tango’s formula, and I’m lost.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Tommy relied a lot more on balls in play

and the Rangers made a lot of plays for him. Holland had better peripherals (twice as many strikeouts)

WAR is based on FIP. Just look at the FIP to figure out the discrepancy

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I still don't see how that made Holland more valuable.

I certainly see how it helps judging future performance.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, depends on what you're arguing.

Is it what actually happened, including things that aren’t really up to the pitcher, or is it what you think should have happened with all luck, support and setting being neutral?

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the argument goes

Once the bat hits the ball and the ball isn’t a HR, then it’s all up to the defense.

All of the defensive components of the position players’ WARs account for what happens then. If a ball gets by the hole in SS, then that is not on Holland, it’s on Elvis (or MY).

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Here Scoop, watch this video from DRays Bay, it might help

http://www.bbtia.com/the-clubhouse/2011/1/10/explaining-fip.html

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm getting there.

Didn’t feel like running off yet, while questions were being asked.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Sowwy

I had posted about you beating me to it, but hit the wrong key and my post was erased.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

I don’t mind — thought it was funny we both thought of the video.

It’s amazing.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It is.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Same defense?

Was it really? How do you know? It may have been, it may not have been.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

...sort of.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I guarantee you it is luck to a degree.

How much is luck, how much is a bad day, and how much is just sucking is another discussion.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I might be mixing him up with somebody else so correct me if I'm wrong

Seems like he had a period towards the latter stages of the year when a few teams just tee’d off on him.

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Including one where a team went back-to-back-to-back against him.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I was refering to the fact that where the balls land isn't 100% "luck".

A lot of it can chalked up to exactly that, but categorizing it all as simply “luck” is a rather dangerous oversimplification, imo.

(And I know you know this, btw. I’m just saying this for the benefit of other, less well-educated penises that may be around.)

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I make sure to look at the batted ball rates and tERA, even though people tell me it is awful

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

someone on here said it the other day

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

were you around

when we looked at francis and some other pitcher I can’t remember and figured out that francis’ tERA was a full run worse than the other guy almost exclusively because of IFFB%

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I read that.

tERA has its quirks, for sure. I wouldn’t call it “awful,” so long as you understand what you’re looking at and how you’re using it.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It was Scherzer

look at their 2010 numbers, specifically tERA and batted ball, comparing that to their FIP’s.

It’s almost a run difference just from IFFB%

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh.

Scherzer: 4.03 tERA, 3.71 FIP as a SP
Francis: 4.22 tERA, 3.88 FIP as a SP

What am I missing?

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait - tERA's

Francis: 481
Scherzer: 3.95

I don’t know where you got your numbers

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Statcorner.

I wonder why the difference in tRA and tERA are so large for Francis.

I’ve not explored the differences between FanGraphs’ tERA and StatCorner’s tRA; I guess I should do that now.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently not.

From what I can tell, they’re using different batted ball data, now.

Originally, tERA at FanGraphs was approximated as tRA*0.92, to account for unearned runs, but if they’ve started using BIS to do their own calculations…

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That should read, "Apparently."

(Since the park effect would help explain why the data sources diverge, though I’m not sure IFFB% is solely responsible.)

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Again, though: Hunter gave up more line drives, proportionally, than Holland, and their ground-ball percentages were almost identical. (Holland had a slight edge there, too.)

And since Hunter gave up more home runs, proportionally, it doesn’t make a ton of sense that Holland’s fly balls were hit into more unreachable places due to skill base.

Now, if the argument’s that the categorization’s unreliable, or that there was some differential in how hard the ground balls were hit off Hunter and Holland, then that’s another thing.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

"Same defense" doesn't mean "same performance"

or that luck wasn’t involved in the results on balls in play.

You could argue that Hunter and Holland were solely responsible for the 50-point difference in BABIP, despite the fact that Holland gave up proportionally fewer line drives (and fewer home runs per fly ball, to boot). But it’d be a tough sell.

You could also argue that Holland’s walks removed some of his advantage in strikeouts, relative to Hunter.

Those are all interesting arguments. They don’t necessarily rely on WAR. But I think there are counter-arguments, and the “no way” statement doesn’t acknowledge that.

FIP is pretty simple, by the way. It uses empirically derived weights for strikeouts, walks, home runs, and HBP (and a constant) to calcuate an ERA-like number. There’s a great video out there that explains it well, I think.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

FIP still seems like a future predicator to me,

as opposed to the given results last year.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It is two things.

One, it is what actually happened. It is actually how often someone struck a guy out, how often he struck walked a guy, and how often he allowed a home run. And those are given weights, so you don’t have to arbitrarily guess who’s better with different numbers.

That’s not a predictor of those stats, those stats actually happened. It’s telling you those things.

It is also scaled to ERA and chosen because its elements present what ERA will regress to relatively well. That is the predictor element, though it’s not necessarily the best way to predict future ERAs.

It is trying to figure out what a pitcher’s ERA would have been if balls in play had been caught by his fielders at the exact same rate as everyone else.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It also assumes that all balls in play are about the same.

Or more accurately, any pitcher’s 10000000 balls in play are going to have the same distributions and therefore should be fielded at the same rate over multiple pitchers.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That's another can of worms that we've discussed before.

I think there’s some control to BABIP.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You thinking it is nice.

The fact there’s evidence for it is nicer.

But how much control? And does that tilt us back to FIP from ERA, and why would we even discuss using only one stat, anyhow?

(Also, I addressed the differences in BABIP for the Hunter/Holland comparison. Do you really think Hunter has 50 points more control over his BABIP than Holland, given the GB/LD/FB, K, BB, and HR percentages?)

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we back to the WAR question?

Because I have no problem using multiple stats to evaluate a player. But as far as what a guy gave me last year, I’m not gonna penalize because his FIP or BABIP was the difference.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You can say 'arrrrrWAR' too

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's to say I AM NOT?

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Except, like, the ninety people on here who are my Facebook friends

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

*scoffs at Facebook reference

*secretly sulks at not being Keynes’ fb buddy

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Check the email address in my profile

And request me up, because I am lazy.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean, specifically:

Why would you ignore FIP and BABIP when determining the value of a pitcher in isolation, if you’re willing to use multiple stats to determine a guy’s value?

That seems self-contradictory, at best.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Cahill, for instance.

IMO, a CY voter shouldn’t penalize him for having a low BABIP.

A GM should take it into consideration when dealing with him.

So is WAR telling me what a guy is, or what he did?

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that's a fair gripe

I don’t look exclusively at FIP when figuring out what a guy did.

but I also would never look ERA – pretty much for anything. And I would still heavily weight FIP over something like tERA or SIERA.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at a guy and saying "his low BABIP explains some of his success" is not penalizing him.

It’s explaining what happened. In that respect, it is both what he is and what he did.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

My interest in year-end award debates

has waned dramatically, because the arguments tend to focus on certain stats voters should or shouldn’t weigh, when in fact, there’s no reason why voters should do anything uniformly.

On the other hand, if we’re looking to objectively measure value, then I want stats that will as best as possible consider what a guy contributed, himself, to the team.

No one stat’s going to provide a perfect metric; in fact, the mere act of isolation is problematic. (Baseball performances are still a part of a highly complex system, no matter how much progress we making in isolating the parts of that system.)

WAR isn’t perfect, and shouldn’t be gospel. Same with FIP, and xFIP, and SIERA.

But relative to ERA alone, in terms of measuring a pitcher’s value in a given year? Yeah, I’ll go with any one of them.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think strictly relying on ERA will get you into trouble

Just intuitively, you can tell that a ball that a fielder didn’t make a play on isn’t the pitcher’s fault. We’ve seen the number of plays MY misses and doesn’t get an error for.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But if MY was the third baseman for both Hunter and Holland, and Hunter gave you 71 more innings of lower ERA, How is Holland more valuable?

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It's very possible that Young lucked into some balls for Hunter and not for Holland

think about how many attempts Young gets in that situation. Pretty small number – you could easily have some variance that account for the discrepancies

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I just can't fathom

how Holland’s 57 innings helped the team out more last year. If they were Feliz type innings, yeah.

I can certainly fathom how the peripheral stats say Holland is a better bet moving forward.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

because Holland came in and got bunches of K's

And the reason they weren’t Feliz type innings is because the defense screwed it up, but not Holland (at least so says the stats).

Actually – that’s not true. They were never going to be Feliz type innings.

The real issue is probably not that Holland was better than you think he was. It’s that Hunter was way worse than you think he was. Consider that according to these stats, the chances of a run increase if you put the ball in play at all. Doesn’t matter if it is GB or LD or FB (only if it is a IFFB does it matter).

Holland put the ball in play a lot less than Hunter when he came in. Hunter should have been hammered and by the grace of god (or Young), he wasn’t.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

so look at tERA or SIERA

which take into account outcomes based on whether it was a LD, GB, FB, IFFB, etc.

just looking at ERA is a bit problematic though.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I find it somewhat problematic

but I’m not too bent out of shape about it. I look at tERA and I’m pretty satisfied

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Me, too.

And at the peripherals (which tERA and its relatives attempt to summarize).

Or I look at SIERA.

ERA isn’t useless, but as a measure of pitcher value, and pitcher value alone, it has a lot of problems.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

"future predicator."

Let that sink in a little bit.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Were people arguing who had the better year from an ability standpoint?

Or who had the better year including things outside of their control, like as though they were on a Cy Young ballot?

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Still am.

But the argument has merit. If that’s how the argument he’s referring to was framed, then he’s not off base, but “no way” is using ERA as gospel, and that usage should be overhauled.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Choo vs. Hamilton is an issue of defense

BR didn’t think Hamilton was very good at it.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Well if I give you stats like OPS and OPS+,

you’re gonna tell me that they have flaws.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

no

but that only accounts for half the argument. We’ll readily concede that Hamilton was better than Choo offensively (even BR WAR acknowledges that).

But prove how Choo’s defense didn’t close the gap

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

wrote that before looking at the numbers. I guess BR doesn’t really think Hamilton was so much better than Choo on offense

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Gah- Never mind

Looking at the wrong year.

BR concedes that Hamilton was almost a full win better than Choo at offense.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

How can you?

Unless you trust defensive metrics, which I’m very skeptical of, you have to use some anecdotal evidence. I find it hard to believe Hamilton was so poor in CF that it not only closes the gap, but puts Choo ahead. I could be wrong.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that's the issue

BR says Hamilton was below average defensively and Choo was extremely above average. There’s your discrepancy.

None of us can “prove” that the defensive metrics are better or worse but they are at least food for thought

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You get on base. You slug the ball.

Barry Bonds. Avoid outs. Drive the ball. Ted Williams.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That didn't answer the question, though.

It just explained what OPS is.

And you brought up OPS+, which then brings in complicated factors.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Again

I don’t think you have a problem with the offensive component.

What are you going to do about the defense?

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

See what you're up against?

You don’t have to combine OPS because that can be deeply flawed (or that’s where the argument will go) but you can isolate slug% and OBP.

The higher your slug% or the higher your OBP is, the better offensive player you are, period.

Both of us also know that the OBP Machine can be the George Bailey of your offense and have a far greater effect on the rest of the line-up that can’t be measured by Math Dorks.

They’re very protective of WAR (it’s not useless but it’s deeply flawed) so don’t peel back the curtain and state the obvious.

If you do, they’ll be forced to punt and will likely accuse you of racism when you say Elvis is a much better player than Judy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Pizza. Apple pie. America.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

All good things.

Just like getting on base, avoiding outs, and slugging the ball. What’s your point?

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what his point is,

but my points that OPS and OPS+ are neither transparent nor well-defined in terms of measuring the combination of getting on base, slugging the ball, and avoiding outs.

And, in fact, there are more transparent and well-defined measures out there.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously though

you should acknowledge that you have no problem with the offensive stats. I don’t think you disagree with the offensive values attributed to any players.

You can certainly argue which one is better but that’s not the issue you have with WAR.

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly.

Though BR has Bautista in front of Hamilton on oWar. I don’t see it, considering Hamilton had a higher OBP, SLG, and of course, OPS. That could be a matter of games played.

Defense and pitching probably leaves me more skeptical.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference at Baseball Reference

comes almost entirely from rRep, which is “the value of an average player over a replacement player given the player’s playing time.”

Which makes some sense; Bautista logged over 100 PA more than Hamilton did in 2010.

Looking only at park-adjusted batting runs above average, FanGraphs gives Bautista about the same edge (that is to say, about half a win, or five runs); I’m assuming that also stems from playing time.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

what Garoon said. You surely acknowledge that Hamilton should be docked a bit for missing some time, right?

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

That’s why I put that as my last sentence in the first paragraph. I got no problem with that.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Jan 12, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I just found the

“Barry Bonds… Ted Williams” parts to be funny.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Mostly just

UZR.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

When in doubt, always play the race card.

Tough one here because I’m saying Elvis is better and he not only has dark skin, he’s from Venezuela.

WAR is a deeply flawed stat because it says Judy B was almost as good as Elvis was last year.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

If you think

UZR is a perfect gold standard, and you believe it does a good job summing up all 9 defensive positions, you are one dumb motherfucker.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Tend to agree

And I thought the Rangers wanted a DH with more defensive ability than Vlad. Thome has less. Should they make it to the World Series, Thome is limited to pinch-hitting in the NL park.

by Neftali's arm on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's a good thing

The fact that Vlad is considered in the field is a con

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Adam...

…why do you believe that this team will have major issues hitting lefties considering the following proposed lineup when we face a LHP:

SS – Andrus (RH bat)
1B – Young (RH bat)
LF – Hamilton (LH bat that hits lefties fairly well)
3B – Beltre (RH bat)
RF – Cruz (RH bat)
DH – Murphy (LH bat with below average lefty splits)
2B – Kinsler (RH bat)
C – Torrealba (RH bat)
CF – Borbon (LH bat with below average lefty splits)

We have 2 guys with below average stats against left handed pitchers (one of which doesn’t really hit righties well either) but what isn’t being discussed is that Vlad actually hits righties better than lefties despite being a RH hitter. He had better average/OBP numbers this past year against lefties, but look at his career splits (especially with regards to power).

The worst I see this as is Moreland getting screwed out of playing time and starting the year in AAA, which to get Thome’s production and add more seasoning for Moreland would not be a horrible plan in my opinion (After all, I am sure everyone here remembers what happened the last time we depended on a guy at 1B coming off of a fairly respectable rookie campaign).

Sure, moving Murphy (or even Moreland if you don’t feel he is your permanent solution at 1B) for a flexible RH bat that could play CF would be ideal (allowing Josh/Cruz to DH against LH pitchers while Young plays 1B) but even if that doesn’t happen I don’t think you are hurt THAT much Murphy getting those at bats when we face lefties with Thome resting.

When you factor in the benefits from having Thome in the lineup against RH pitchers (we had over 4000 total ABs as a team last year against RH pitchers and just over 1500 total ABs as a team last year against LH pitchers) it just makes great sense.

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

You're right

Maybe add an Esq., or something to signify job, too

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Judging by Aquaman's votes in the Lynch Mob fanpost, adding "Esq." can make a man mighty unpopular

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

No shit.

Good Lord I did not see that coming.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Josey, Sharky, BG (I think)

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

How about...

Male29DanFromTNButOriginallyFromTX?

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Crap...

Male29DanFromTNButOriginallyFromTXWhileBeingHappilyMarriedWithTwoKids(Ages4And2)?

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Go ahead and email that change to SBN, I think you've got a winner

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

What happens when he turns 30?

Is he forever 29?

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

nO

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW...

Never thought about that…

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems long.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

*high five

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you might take it.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

RangersSD do what he do

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh...

Male29DanFromTNButOriginallyFromTXWhileBeingHappilyMarriedWithTwoKids(Ages4And2)WithHobbiesConsistingOfSportsWatchingSportsPlayingAndNumerousOtherActivitiesTooManyToListInAUsername

Rolls right off the tongue I think…

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently...

There eventually has to be a space or the website simply cuts it off.

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

greatest username ever

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha...

Guys, I have posted here many times before. Nice catch to finally see it though. Been my username since I was m17dan so I simply never changed it.

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It looks like a Craigslist ad seeking a one-night stand

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Like they have Craigslist in Wyoming.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't even have one in San Antonio

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They do it's called Craigslisto

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

/Mike Bacsik

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Well played

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

There wasn't a month and a half ago

they had San Angelo though. I guess they just added it since Thanksgiving (I was getting Mavs/Spurs tix) I had to use craigslist Austin

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Then he's in the right place for sexy night lovings

/Tron.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

You misspelled "sexy night pearings"

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...

What are the real options on the table? Staying like we are vs. bringing in Thome or bringing in Thome vs. bringing in Vlad/Manny?

If staying like we are vs. bringing in Thome, yeah… Thome just gives you that much more production when facing righties (far more common) than Moreland does so you live with that when you face lefties (or again make a trade to have a more ideal situation sending out Moreland or Murphy). Even without the trade though, if my option was to stay as we are or move on Thome, yes, deal with Murphy/Borbon to get Thome’s righty production.

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Stop all the handwringing....There's not even a question about this.

You sign Thome because it makes your offense better….PERIOD. Playing time for Murphy (and others) will work itself out (most likely when Judy Borbon STBF with another 2 walk / 150 plate appearances, general dumbassery or monthly OPS of .214).

Try to accrue as much talent as possible within the budget and create competitiion for playing time within the roster. It will work itself out, it always does.

Having too much talent is like too much beer or too much sex – a very good problem to have.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Do advise per Loretta Lynn....Random minutae about C&W stars is not my forte.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Having too much beer

Is not often a very productive problem for people.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey look everyone, Josey is talking about beer and sex, he wants you to believe he's cool!!

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Having too much beer at the house is a problem?

It won’t happen in a night or a week but if I have too much beer at my house it will eventually be drank by somebody.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

And if too much of that is drank by one somebody

That tends to lead to problems.

It’s just science.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

There's not a question about this

Because you’ve already made up your mind that Borbon is worthless, so therefore, anyone should be signed.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he is worthless

But I think it should be pretty obvious that he is the weakest link of the everyday starters and thus, one of the prime spots to look for an upgrade.

by tricer on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay

Are you going to upgrade by making Hamilton your everyday CF?

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I'd try and trade for your boy Mike Cameron

Of any realistically available player, I think he’d be the best fit on this current team.

by tricer on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Who had 12:04 for the first Mike Cameron post in this thread?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Nicely done.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I said you can keep Borbon.

You can still add Thome and help make your offense better.

In fact, if you do keep Borbon and plan on using him for 125 games in CF, Thome doesn’t become a luxury, he starts to become a necessity.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think the total OPS of the team has a good chance to

improve if Thome is the DH for 79 games like he was with the Twins last year?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The teacher would commit suicide from the post hoc fallacies thrown out every day.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Wouldn't it be less painful

to just use them as examples?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't that what Political Sciences courses are for?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what Political Science majors are for.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The most amusing part would be when, after the professor traps him in a fallacy, Josey would just get up and leave class

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

We're going to need a longer class.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Four months of an OBP under .296 with copious amounts of

dumbassery tossed in the mix.

A lot of the dumbassery happened in August & September so it’s not like he was getting smarter as the season progressed.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

You think Borbon is full of dumbassery?

I’m shocked, because you haven’t made that point in every thread every day for the last six months.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

help us AJM, your our only hope

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Jan 12, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Dirk will love him again.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Libertarian

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Aquaman does suck

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if I've been called a "disgusting troll" before.

Ouch.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not by a dude, anyway.

I should make that clear.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Aren't all trolls disgusting?

Scary little bastards

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It's funny to me...

that he not only will not ban him, but he refuses to acknowledge or reply to anybody’s post even talking about it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

So the dumbassery happened year round? Sounds like your area of expertise

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That's quite a quandry

If someone’s a dumbass are they more able to recognize dumbassery or since they’re a dumbass they’re too dumb to recognize other dumbassery? I was going with the latter.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Dumbasses see dumbassery everywhere they look.

They wear dumbass shaded glasses.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Borbon being worthless and adding Thome to the team and making it better

are separate issues, Adam.

If the Rangers add Thome and keep Borbon, the offense is improved.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And you still need a RH bat

Or else you’re still hamstrung, and have a bench with little flexibility and little utility.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

A RH bat !?!??!

You have Elvis, Young, Kinsler, Cruz, Beltre to roll up there v LHs and need yet another RH bat?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm, that's five players

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yorvit, Josh, Murphy aren't black holes v LHs (OPS below .600 is a black hole).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you believe

That his righty production fails to make him more valuable than what we would lose with Murphy/Borbon? Again, ideally you make a trade, but if you can get this guy in considering the issues with the rotation you do it to score as many runs as you can. This isn’t RANGERS OF OLD thinking, it is just improving the team where you can right now (and with a rock solid defense) until more options become available to improve the rotation later. It isn’t like this would be a marriage to Thome. Very, very likely a 1 year deal.

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You, sir, are the GIF kind

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

err, GIF king

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

nice touch with TDT and Rod...lol

perfect pairing also….

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I was about to ask who was in the background with Rodney

Masterful work.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Drunk faced Tagdon'ttweet

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I still can't figure out who was more shitfaced, TDT or Texas Jihad.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't remember Jihad (sorry Jihad), but TDT was working it from last night too.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's

the cartoon dude?

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Professor Doofenshmirtz

from Phineas and Ferb. A cartoon my kids watch all the time.

“Curse you, Perry the Platypus!”

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

that shit is funny...the professor rules

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

My 18 month old loves that show.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

TDT was offering me jager bombs at 11 a.m...

then told all the “stupid bitches not paying for port-a-potty to wait while I am Neftali takes a shit and makes you wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Soooooo many people got grumpy when I shooed them away from the port-a-potty

WTF? We paid for this shit.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

For opening day we're getting two

and renting the whole island.

I’m thinking of putting up a fan post soon. It’s early but I want to make sure we can get our reservation in.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jan 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

never too early...

we may need a heater this year… april 1 may be cold.

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

One or two of those gas ones like this

Would work great.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jan 12, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I have one of these

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Barrel fire!

Straight hobo style.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Jan 13, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Cool!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I see more parking lot naps in the future.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Freaking BS we are defending AL Champs

WE GET PRIME TIME ESPN

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Friday, April 1

vs BOS
3:05 PM
ESPN
MLB.TV

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

oh nice.. didnt realize.

awesomeness… I am going to forego the ridiculous opening day prices (hopefully we have t.v. in parking lot again this year) and just get tickets to sunday afternoons game at a more reasonable price.

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

we'll have another TV

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

sweetness

im off that day… ill be out there early again .

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

YES, we'll carpool

TagDon't Tweet wants to remind you of the time TagDon’tTweet quoted TagDon’tTweet utilizing a metaphor in which TagDon’tTweet successfully likened Josey Wales to an abysmal football team, as TagDon’tTweet finds it quite confusing the amount of references Josey Wales makes to other sports when discussing what Josey Wales describes as The Great Game.

by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 12, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok

And I’ll be the DD.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

didn't you get my email?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't get your e-mail.... ;(

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have your email, fella.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

pearings@lonestarball.com

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Not funny

be more clever

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, we're facebook friends!!!!

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Si

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jan 12, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

fucking respond to it...shitfire.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

TDT was hammered before the game

I was hammered afterwards. I don’t know if I caught up but he had a big head start.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya'll were neck and neck.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You have already said you don't remember me

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

RangersSD said he didn't remember me

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

that Baseball Nortth I think

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea it wasn't me

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

One of the guys from California

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Baseball North.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

ahh okay..

i was too intoxicated to read teh “hello my name is” placards.

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

You Jihad me at hello.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

3/10

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I just want to Jihold your hand.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

4/10

The extra one is for effort

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

6.9/10

I like it with a period

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That's gross.

Just wait a few days.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you see that Baylor fired three defensive coaches today and hired two replacements?

The third replacement is Bennett himself, since Norwood is being demoted.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No!

I heard he was going to make adjustments soon in the interview, but missed that news. I’m on board with whatever he feels he needs…

…any ideas on defensive recruits they may be able to bring in with Bennet and his Texas HS coach connections now i nthe fold?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't expect to see huge dividends this year in recruiting, since so much of it is done.

What I would expect to see is position changes. Bennett loves speed. Speed, speed, speed.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Baylor seems to be able to

recruit speed decently well.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

So... turns out the entire defensive staff was let go today except for Achuff and Norwood.

Bennett just cleaned the fucking house.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect.

I am totally ok with this. Honestly, I’m a bit concerned about leaving Norwood in charge of the secondary, seeing as that is the unit that likely has the best talent and also needs to take the biggest step up from last year.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Norwood is surprisingly good at recruiting, they can't can him this close to Signing Day.

I wouldn’t put a lot of confidence in him past this coming season, though. I’d bet a large sum that he doesn’t come back for 2012.

He’s only going to coach safeties, by the way. Just safeties.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, even better.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not very ghetto of you

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Never knew anyone that liked it that way.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Red wings buddy.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yikes

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ewe.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It's just more lube

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

vomit

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like it with vomit

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You use vomit for lube?

WTF is wrong with you?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I know right

sick fucker

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet there are folks who do....

struggles to not open new tag and google it….

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe that's what sex with a bullimic is like.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not. That would include

a quarter the girls in the world. They are generally the thin cheerleader types.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Rule 34.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

This is the grossest subthread I have ever seen.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Spadedsnake's diseased penis wants a word with you.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Fortunately, I missed out on that one.

Although I have read quite a bit about it.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It was bad.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I do now heh

I’m sick as a dog so brain function is low.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Some would say that's an improvement...

I wouldn’t but some would…

Feel better young jedi.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Gracias

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Great gif or greatest?

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA!!!

I had to reboot before I could see the whole thing. I wondered why everyone was bringing up my name.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

we famous

TagDon't Tweet wants to remind you of the time TagDon’tTweet quoted TagDon’tTweet utilizing a metaphor in which TagDon’tTweet successfully likened Josey Wales to an abysmal football team, as TagDon’tTweet finds it quite confusing the amount of references Josey Wales makes to other sports when discussing what Josey Wales describes as The Great Game.

by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

YAY!!!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That TDT

is a sexy son of a bitch

TagDon't Tweet wants to remind you of the time TagDon’tTweet quoted TagDon’tTweet utilizing a metaphor in which TagDon’tTweet successfully likened Josey Wales to an abysmal football team, as TagDon’tTweet finds it quite confusing the amount of references Josey Wales makes to other sports when discussing what Josey Wales describes as The Great Game.

by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Still referring to yourself in the third person?

Never go full Josey.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

haha.

TDT abides

TagDon't Tweet wants to remind you of the time TagDon’tTweet quoted TagDon’tTweet utilizing a metaphor in which TagDon’tTweet successfully likened Josey Wales to an abysmal football team, as TagDon’tTweet finds it quite confusing the amount of references Josey Wales makes to other sports when discussing what Josey Wales describes as The Great Game.

by TagDon'tTweet on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

When Thome’s name was first mentioned, I really was somewhat excited about having him, but I really think with the way the roster is made up, a RH bat, like say Manny, or even Vlad probably fits the teams makeup more. Ideally you’d want a RH bat that could also play OF, but with what is available, I think Manny or Vlad are your best options.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

ugh, but I wanted a shiny new toy!!!!

Vlad is not.

But my excitement has also been tempered o’er the last 24 hours.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

We need a part-time RH DH bat, ideally

Vlad and Manny would be full-time DH’s

If only Thome were RH

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

But remember...

Vladdy’s career stats show he actually hits righties better than lefties. His lefty splits career wise (and certainly this last year) are not nearly as bad as Thome’s, but he would be best served facing RH pitchers, not LH pitchers (especially if you are looking for power).

by Male29Dan on Jan 12, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

because if Cruz goes down with injury, that is when we are especially exposed against lefties, with Hamilton, Murphy, Borbon, and Moreland all in the lineup. And if it’s a day game…well, i’m calling up my bookie.

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Somewhat OT:

Jonah Keri, former writer a bunch of places and new FanGraphs author, has a new book out called The Extra 2%. I had seen this in a few places…what I had not seen is that Mark Cuban wrote the Forward. You can read the forward at that link.

I can see a lot of myself in Sternberg, Silverman, and Friedman. They accomplished so much in such a short amount of time, turning a perennial loser into one of the top teams in baseball and growing the Rays into one of the model franchises in all of professional sports.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Heh,

I’m surprised AJM didn’t chime in.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I still think the best possible scenario

Is to trade for Mike Cameron (career .866 OPS vs LHP) and let him start in CF, making the bench Young, Borbon, Murphy, Blanco, and Treanor.

That move strengthens the offense vs both lefties and righties, improves the defense, gives Wash a pinch runner on the bench and keeps Hamilton out of CF.

by tricer on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

I'd love for this to happen.

It probably makes too much sense though.

"I fully expect to lose tonight" -- LSJ

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh
d_a_cameron
The most frequently viewed player page on FanGraphs right now, by a mile, is Dustin Nippert. I have no explanation for this.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Dave clearly needs to check LSB more often.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

its because he is playing in korea

and everybody over there is trying to find out how big his snake is

by blueballlefty on Jan 12, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Thinking about it

There’s two ways Thome fits on the roster.

1- Mitch Moreland becomes a secondary concern, about 80% likely to start the reason in AAA unless he does something truly stupendous in the spring. I really don’t know that I have much of a problem with this personally, since although I like Moreland I still don’t think he’s really all that great shakes, and not the kind of player that should stand in the way of bringing in Jim Thome.

2- You trade Murphy to Cincy for one of their RH’d CFers, and Moreland fills Murphy’s role.

Only problems with these two scenarios is #1 would conflict with what we heard about the Rangers seeing Moreland as their 1B of the future, and #2 is probably a sizeable defensive downgrade.

The more I think about it the more I like option #1 – stashing Moreland in the minors, while maybe not ideal for him, provides you with some really nice offensive depth that we really don’t have right now. It’s not like we’re talking about holding Justin Smoak back a level here – in fact, I’d bet Moreland’s career isn’t going to differ too much from that type of depth role anyway. He’d still inevitably find his way up at some point during the season when someone got hurt and see semi-regular playing time, and there’s always a chance Murphy could be packaged away for a critical peice at the trade deadline.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

Not by himself, no

But that’s a hypothetical example anyway.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you and I are referring to different things

Mine is a quote from True Grit.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohhhh

I saw that Saturday and got confused. I thought it was from Battlestar Gallactica

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't get it either

Courtroom scene.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

They have Bruce

and just signed Fred Lewis to go with Gomes in LF.

by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 12, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I would've thought Murphy would represent a sizeable upgrade over him

But it looks like Lewis is better than I thought.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

when I glance at your avatar I always think it's Sarah Palin...carry on.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

PILF?

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh

She doesn’t look like it in all her pictures, but Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) has always been a strong candidate in said category.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Saw a couple PILFish pics

but the rest of em canceled that out.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know what you mean

I developed that opinion seeing her on tv.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Gabrielle Giffords (yeah, yeah, too soon)

is like M Landrieu. Some pics I’m thinking “Yeah, I’d legislate the fuck out of that”, and others, well, not so much.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Bachmann

Like having sex with the devil. Mmmm….

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been meaning to change it, but haven't gotten around to finding a better one

I liked that shot, so I threw it up after Xmas but with the posters in the background it doesn’t make that great an avy.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Adams argument has so many holes in it its ridiculous

First off, saying that Endy Chavez would be an option against left handed pitchers over Craig Gentry makes zero sense. Chavez is left handed, slower, has a worse arm then Gentry, and has missed two years with a knee injury.

Chris Davis has a future in the league??? He hasnt been able to make contact in three years and all reports say hes lost in the Dominican Winter League at the plate. His future is as a defensive first baseman.

And lastly why would the Cubs even consider trading all star centerfielder Marlon Byrd, someone who starts for them for our fourth outfielder David Murphy? I dont care how good his peripherals were late last season that trade is completely ridiculous.

by texrangers31 on Jan 12, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Adam did acknowledge the Cubs wouldn't do it.

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea after he proposed the trade

The idea of even mentioning it though is stupid because its just going to get people excited and its a complete pipe dream. We’d have a better chance of trading Murphy for Kobe Bryant….wait a minute!?!?!!

by texrangers31 on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

this is the last report i've read on davis, from newberg
Chris Davis (.265/.358/.566) leads the winter Rangers with six homers. Actually, no other Ranger has more than two. He’s also drawn nine walks in his last 14 games after drawing a blank in his first nine. Davis has exclusively manned first base for Estrellas de Oriente. Teammate Taylor Teagarden has fared less well, hitting .161/.235/.387 in ten games. He’s clubbed two homers but also fanned in 38% of his trips to the plate.

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Davis still cant hit .270 in the winter league.

When he was being thrown around in the Greinke trade there were multiple reports from other teams scouts that his body language and lack of contact were concerning. Those are decent numbers but he’s still not a legit prospect, or at least a guy that I think at age 24/25 that has been passed on the 1B prospect depth chart by Moreland and Maybe Chad Tracy at this point.

by texrangers31 on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still on board with keeping Chris Davis.

Tough love, make him earn everything, everybody else gets promoted ahead of him no matter how well he’s hitting and I don’t wanna see him until August at the earliest.

And then he better produce right away if he gets a chance.

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by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You're my favorite commenter here

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, no, not you

:}

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

A Possibility

I agree that Thome being the final move would be curious. But with the clear need and desire (see Grienke, Garza, Nolasco…and even reports on mild interest in others like Pavano) to add a SP, I think Thome signing spells Moreland trade with prospects (probably prospects that will make the board feel uncomfortable dealing…Beltre, Profar, Holland types) for a SP that will be a solid #3 with upside of #2. Maybe Wandy?

You then roll with a 1-3 (CJ, Colbyashi, TBD) of no clear TORP, but you have 3 guys that may be legit #2s which should be fine with the offense and bullpen being strengths.

JD is 3 steps ahead. I just can’t see Thome being his final move.

by atlantaranger on Jan 12, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

A Thome signing clearly implies that there is a “next move.” David Murphy seems like the odd man out to me, as Moreland can play in the OF also. I wish Colby Rasmus was RH because he’s the guy that I keep dreaming will be added to the roster.

by aggiecurt05 on Jan 12, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Rasmus can roll the pole

and play multiple outfield positions but by all acounts hes a complete tool shed. I’d be nervous of him messing up the chemistry.

by texrangers31 on Jan 12, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand

the fact that he doesn’t get along with the team and particularly the manager is the only reason I think he could be had. The guy is a great talent. Good chemistry didn’t land us a single player, even when we offered him 160 million. I’m over the chemistry being preserved at all costs.

by aggiecurt05 on Jan 12, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea I agree and I didnt say at all costs

but realistically hes still young and with the season he put up last year hes going to cost us a healthy dose of young talent.

by texrangers31 on Jan 12, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

It’s more of a pipe dream than anything. He just solves so many of our problems. I’d trade Holland/Hunter and Murphy for him (if we signed Thome and Francis- as another pitcher is imperative). I’m guessing it would take more.

by aggiecurt05 on Jan 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

"Roll the pole"

sounds like some kind of impressive and possibly dangerous sexual maneuver.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It's kinda sad that's not an option, because he's been 125+ wRC+ against lefties the last three years

And 119 for his career.

Only 106 against righties though, and he’s been below 100 against them in two of the last three years (96 last year).

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You think that difference accurately reflects his true platoon split?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

But I think I’d like having him face lefties and Thome face righties.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

though this is basically playing fantasy baseball with the lineup now.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're telling me I can't just put Young at 1B on my lineup card and watch the points roll in?

He actually has to play the field?

Man, how fucking awesome would it be if Michael Young turned out to be a sicktastic 1B? Like way better than we could have ever imagined?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

And then Hamilton, Kinsler and Cruz all play full seasons at their ceilings.

Elvis makes The Leap™ (Sports Guy), and Thome hits so well at DH that they decide to make it harder by only counting the home run if it lands in an ice cream bowl.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hadn't even thought about this

That’s such a great idea, but we’re getting greedy :)

Isn’t it enough we got him off 3b this year?

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

"Just shit on your watch."

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember a couple years ago...

when Byrd went into the season as the 4th OFer and ended up leading the team in AB’s?

Signing Thome would be a good move because he improves the team. I wouldn’t worry about someone having their AB’s cut. Everyone will still get their playing time. Especially since 3 key players for this team (Hamilton, Cruz, and Kinsler) seem to have problems staying healthy all year.

If you can sign a player to improve the team I think you should do it. The log jams usually have a way of figuring themselves out over a long 162 game season.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

Hear. Hear.

There is no such thing as too much of a good thing.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Jar Jar mentioned the same thing and I almost agreed with him

But there still needs to be some plan towards the construction of the roster. I can’t say whether Thome is or is not that. Really haven’t gone through all the scenarios.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

We're going to start having daily polls at the Dallas-Ft. Worth page.

Every weekday morning at 9 a.m., new poll. Because people like to vote on things.

I’ll try and link Rangers polls here to increase our hits because I care about you guys. Today’s just happens to be about Thome.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

8

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

This whole line of thinking is wrong
doesn’t really solve their roster construction problems

Really?

Last time I checked we are the defending AL Champs. For most of the season we had a major piece of the lineup missing yet we still managed to somehow get by.

We subtract Vlad and Francouer. We add Beltre and possibly Thome.

And we have a roster problem?

That’s a roster problem half the AL and all the NL teams would love to have.

Moreland to AAA? Why? Why is there an assumption that he wont hit against lefties?

I just don’t see any merit to worrying about this lineup. I’ve never heard anyone bitching about having too much firepower on the bench ever until now.

I have an idea, lets plan for best case scenario to start the season. Wait that’s not an original idea at all.

by corbsclinton on Jan 12, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

exactly, adding Thome

knowing there might not be enough AB’s to hand out is forward thinking, not doing it is hoping for best case scenario/no injuries

by corbsclinton on Jan 12, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Assuming that just because the Rangers were AL champs in 2010,

they don’t need to think seriously about how to spend money on players given the most likely roster scenarios — that’s the problem.

by Josh Garoon on Jan 12, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

lol yeah I'm sure

thats a real problem for our front office. Those guys had a shoe-string budget and fielded an AL championship team. We are just not used to seeing them with $

by corbsclinton on Jan 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that statement.

It’s also prudent to give yourself as many options as possible and believe that things will have a way of working out.

I’d imagine several things are going to happen in 2011 that we can’t even imagine-

A broken wrist by Young that takes him out 3 months…what happens then?

What if Beltre goes back to 2005 production?

Cruz stops hitting and regresses to what he was in 2007.

Murphy hurts his knee again (like 2008) and is out for 4 months.

Hopefully, none of the above happen but shit like that happens almost every year to some degree. Salty getting hurt early on and then not being able to conquer his throwing woes? 3 hamstring injuries to Cruz in one year? Kinsler hurting his ankle in early March and not getting back till May and then having to sit out the month of August as well? Josh hurting his ribs?

Bad things that cannot be imagined are going to happen so it’s very wise to stockpile as much talent as your budget allows you to so you have options.

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by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't play Washington

Murphy won’t hurt his knee….

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

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by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that you chose Beltre's worst season since 2001 for your hypothetical.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't we need another RH'ed hitter instead?

We have lots of lefty hitters with Borbon, Hammy, and Moreland in the lineup and Murphy and Blanco off the bench. We already have a guy who can DH against RH’ers in Murphy. What do we do though when we face Lester/Sabathia/Liriano/Anderson/Gonzales, etc.? Add a guy like Thames who could sub for Moreland at 1B or DH if Young is at 1B or play LF moving Hammy to CF and taking out Borbon. Seems like we don’t have much flexibility against lefties if we add Thome. Not to mention Thames would come cheaper than Thome and we could use the cost savings to add a piece at the deadline.

"I bent my wookie!" - Ralph Wiggum

by stupidsexyflanders on Jan 12, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Beat me to the punch

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And he can hit right handed as well as left handed.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

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by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

And he likes girls...and guys!

Too far?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a tad bit

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Drat.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Theoretically maybe

but he was way worse against LH’ers last year than RH’ers.

"I bent my wookie!" - Ralph Wiggum

by stupidsexyflanders on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Marcus Thames Career Splits:

vs L : .358 wOBA | 119 wRC+ in 833 PA
vs R : .329 wOBA | 106 wRC+ in 1113 PA

Jim Thome Career Splits:

vs L: .335 wOBA | 102 wRC+ in 1458 PA
vs R: .436 wOBA | 170 wRC+ in 3235 PA

Thames does hit lefties well and better than Thome and so makes an ideal platoon partner for Young. Young is going to want to play every day and likely will get the chance to, so whenever you start Thames, you’re likely playing Young at 1B. If you’re going to do this, it seems that the difference in ability of hitting between Thome and Thames makes it worth it to play Young at 1B most of the time and Thome at DH as much as you are able to at his age.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

About Thames

Supposedly why the MFYs dumped him was because his D is atrocious.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate AJM so much.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
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by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

Don't worry, I'm sure he hates you too

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I know he fucking does.

If I drew an awesome picture of you and e-mailed you a nice e-mail, I bet you’d at least have the fucking courtesy to acknowledge it.

My feelings are so hurt.

I’m going to have to go full LonestarJon and cut myself to get him to notice me now, I think.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate you forever now, AJM.

Fair warnings.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Forever is a long time

Remember that time he said hi to you?

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he let you right in the book?

"Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor."-Capote

by Schultzy on Jan 12, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

And I asked, too.

I was gonna do illustrationings, but he said I was dumb and to kill myself please for his amusement.

He’s a bad person, probably.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You get tired of him

forcing you into oral sex on Saturdays so you can keep posting?

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

AJM has all the cheddar.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

He spent all his cheddar on haircuts and ice cream, cause AJM is a fucking suck-monkey.

I hate him so much.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard they're BFFs

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And draw awesome pictures of each other

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guesing it's something simmilar to the drawing of Kate Winslet in Titanic

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately... it's not.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Then do some cuddlings!

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

.
General manager Jon Daniels is joining Rangers CEO Chuck Greenberg and club president Nolan Ryan for the two-day Owners Meetings in Phoenix this week.

TR speulates an extension for JD is coming soon.

Also, this:

The Rangers are also dealing with five remaining arbitration cases — pitchers C.J. Wilson, Frank Francisco and Darren O’Day, and outfielders Nelson Cruz and Josh Hamilton. The Rangers have had internal discussions about long-term contracts for some of them, particularly Hamilton and Wilson.

Put it in the stinky.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Hey Dirky, so how do you feel about AJM anyways?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

I want a new Basketball Coach and I want Marlon Byrd

AND I WANT THEM MOTHER FUCKING NOW!!!!

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

Last night was bad

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I was embarrassed...

Especially after his shit show after the Baylor game.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Call JG Wentworth 877Cashnow

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh damn you to hell

Now there’s another weak with that fucking song rampaging through the defenseless village that is my brain.

“I have a structured settlement but I need…cash…NOW…”

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Week

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry

First off our current AD is retiring in March so he won’t fire him. You’d think the new AD would give him a year…

And the guy I want should be obvious.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Read my signature holmes...

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Billy Clyde at Tech would be very dangerous for the rest of the Big 12

He’d have the same type of players who made him great at A&M.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Except

He wouldn’t have 2 NBA players on the roster when he walks through the door

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Acie and Antoine sure helped, but that roster was full of players who were tired of losing and were willing to kill themselves in practice to build a winning program

At Kentucky, you had a bunch of High School All American prima donnas who wanted to do things their way.

Tech’s recruits will be much more like those A&M teams he had.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Turgeon is still a better head coach and better recruiter, but I do think Billy Clyde can win at Tech.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

They'll be receptive because they want to win, I agree.

The difference is that at A&M he had two very good talents to help the team make that jump. If Tech doesn’t start winning quickly, his way of doing things will grow old quickly.

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to win.

Its not like he raped anyone or killed some dogs. He likes to drink…should fit in at Tech.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Leach fit in for a while with the whole drinking thing.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats a myth...

While I’m not saying he never drank. He is/was a Mormon. Its just the way he comes across that he is drunk.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That n00b just went full "check my status" on you, Mo.

And you took it like a tied-up girl-human.

Slut.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

errr.... Buttsecks?

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 13, 2011 5:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This

Now if we could just get the baseball program back and get a football team.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You have a fooTball team

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't noticed them

since the mid-80’s, when they resided in Division II(or whatever it’s called) where they truly belong.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't hate on D2.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Not hatin'

being real on where NT football should be.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya I know they used to play ACU yeas ago.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

UNT went to the D2 championship game

back in ’84 if I remember correctly. Lost the game, I think it was snowy and cold shit weather too. Was still a good game though.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya I should be there.

Good slate of games. ACU vs North Alabama will be the 7pm game I’m guessing, could be wrong. It’s also on my birthday. I may be able to swing sideline passes since I was on staff and I’m good friends with the play by play guy.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I will be at MSU v A&M Commerce

im going to celebrate my bday too (sept 27) so should be a change of pace…

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya I'll be 23.

I’ll probably go to all the games. That will be the time to go to Jerry World, no one will be there.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Cowboy games...

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde

My Sports Stuff on Ebay

by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't he suing the suite holders?

That is what a friend of mine told me.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The fourth quarter of a Cowboy game?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ouch

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

UNT alumn?

word

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Unless you were talking to tyd3311, in which case the answer is still “yep”.
:^)

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was talking to you, braaaahhhhhh.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

M'kay

I haven’t been up that way in years, how did all that Fry Street mess turn out? Is it all Starbucks and empty strip shopping centers

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

...now?

/premature postification

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

We wish.

It’s still a big gravel lot, fenced off and horrible. Cool Beans still stands, but pretty much everything else is either vacant or bulldozed for about two years now.

by jam0152 on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Christ

that pisses me off. Used to love me some Flying T and the whole Fry St. thang.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Word is The Tomato is working to rebuild in one of the new lots

and the bars and such are still there… it’s just not the same feel though. Most of the scene has moved to the Square and Industrial

by jam0152 on Jan 12, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Bummer

I fondly remember the smell of dead cats and urine as I walked down Fry St. on the way to class back in the day. But it was OUR dead cats and urine dammit! Fry St. Forever, bitches.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Fry street sucked.

There, I said it.

The memories are fond, but, come on… place straight up sucked my grundle skins.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I think your memories

of it’s greatness are directly related to how much Mean Green tail you were able to pull in.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I almost banged a girl who'd been made semi-retarded by a car accident there one night.

I was wingmanning for my buddy who was really close to sealiing the deal with this cute chick but he was like, “The sister is killing me” and I was all like, “I got your back, Brospehine van Burenstein” but then when I went over the sister was like half retarded and she was wearing one of the helmets… I tried to suck it up and take one for the team by naging the behelmeted tard sister, but apparently the cute sister found the fact I was trying to bang her tard sister abhorrent for some reason and I ended up inadvertently penis-blocking my buddy…

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

She wasn't retarded

she just wanted you to play football with you.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's true she might have been retarded.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

What if she was wearing a meat helmet?

But is she was retarded her sister was the real cock block. Thedirkatron finally had a shot with a lady in a consenual way… and she shit all over it.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

when you come back someday you can stay with me.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither am I.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oooooh, a resister.... Delicious.

The 40 trumps all!
"WHY IS LIAM POPPINS STICKING. IT'S AN ABSURDLY BAD NICKNAME"
-LiamP(oppins)

by thedirkatron on Jan 13, 2011 5:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Dissapointing

that they have lost to SH and MTS

by groundingout on Jan 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Taking his bucket of nothing with him.

by sprite on Jan 12, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

So he's riding Josey Style.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Shake

Thome had a good 1/2 year last year and that makes him oh so valuable, but somehow I remember something about a DH who had a great 1/2 year but Texas wants no part of, somehow.

Careful what you wish for, as what shook out last year may not happen this year; a lot went right, what if the guys play to their career averages this year? Then 80 wins is a stretch.

by dsciswe on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

Rattle

words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Roll

blah, blah & blah

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

worst attempt at trolling I've seen in a while

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

We're spoiled.

Josey is a highly skilled troll.

by Vooty on Jan 12, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Vooty's last 8 actions on LSB.

Six comments whining about Josey Wales and 2 recs of insults thrown at Josey Wales.

Somebody seems to be obsessing.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

y'all can therapize together.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 13, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

OT: Stock Market

It has been awesome the last couple of months

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

Yes it has

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

My mutual fund has grown nicely after the Collapse of 2008™

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I wished I had had about $1000 to buy up shares of Ford.

I’d be loaded now, it was like 50 cents or something. Crazy

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I bought $1000 of Ford at $2.21

I sold half at $10 and kept the rest. It is now closing on $20

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I almost just borrowed a good amount from my parents to buy it.

But I’m not a stock guy, give me secure and safe returns. Although Ford is kicking the crap out of the auto industry right now. I love that fact.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

No, but those were a good looking truck.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I am happy to see the American car companies doing better.

It also makes me happy that they are going more green, though I don’t know many who are comfortable to the mechanism it took to get them to move that direction.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not bad since your first year was awful

You got in at a real bad time

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

i got in @ a great time

the stock market was at 8200 points… nowhere to go but up

by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhhh, it could have very easily gone way, way down.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And still might.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Gravity is a biaaaatch

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it does.

What goes up must come down. The line goes up when things are going well, that means it must come back down unless it has a rocket on it or something. Duh.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I am worried about a big pull back

The market is a fickle beast

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like I was reading

that most have thought it’s been due for pullback for a few weeks now. Yet it’s seemed to continue to do well in the New Year.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Beige Book was ugly today

http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/beigebook/2011/20110112/fullreport20110112.pdf

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I am afraid of this, too.

Especially as long as unemployment stays high.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Unemployment numbers are so deceptive.

We have to come up with a better way to keep that statistic.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

All countries play games with those numbers, though.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact that it only takes into account those actively looking for work is crap.

I read the other day that there are about 3 million discouraged workers out there who have given up looking for jobs, so they do not count. Stupid.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

From a Friday's jobs data post elsewhere:
The number of employed persons did rise by 297,000 in December, but the number of unemployed persons fell by a whopping 556,000! Wait. What?? 556,000 people said they were no longer unemployed, but the the number of “employed” rose by only 297,000? Where did the remaining 259,000 persons go? They exited the labor force! That’s where!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Geez, rude.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Deities can be real assholes

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Ees very bad to call Jobu rude.

Ees very bad.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

*bery bad

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

RacistSD

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I was referencing the SNL bit with Garrett Morris

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure you were

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Just sayin...

The labor force, currently sized, is taking all my jobs.

by Jobu. on Jan 12, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Or rendering getting a job impossible

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And don't forget the massive effect the sharp rise in prison populations has had on the unemployment 'rate'

That thing is so bullshit you can use shredded copies of it to grow delicious plants.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Employment rates are lagging indicators

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I am afraid that the market is just riding another bubble.

Until the economy improves enough that companies start hiring again and unemployment goes down, I will not truly believe in the current market rally.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like a good way to be behind the curve,

unless you’re talking about changes in rates instead of the actual rate to get below a certain number.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is knowing exactly when it is high and when it is low.

No one ever really knows that for certain. We are all just guessing. Some guesses are just more “educated” than others.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I'm in it for the long term,

so I don’t really worry much about when to sell. That’s 30-50 years away.

Now is pretty low, though. And if it gets lower, well, then buy more!

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW!

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It is full of win

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think that the market rally is building on itself without an actual recovery in sight.

If unemployment remains stubbornly high, I think that people may start pulling out of the market again. I know that unemployment is a trainling indicator, but the fact that it has not really budged while the market has rallied has me worried.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Recently dropped to 9.4%, no?

Then you have the solid manufacturing numbers for a while now, the dollar being kept low helping exports doing well…hell, even consumer confidence seems to be coming back up.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How much of that drop was people leaving the job market?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, see above

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

But it’s hard to deny that the private sector is hiring at levels that haven’t been seen in a while. Not the levels needed to get unemployment into the 7’s this year, but still significantly better.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Consumer confidence is the real kicker.

So much of the US economy is based on consumerism. If people don’t have jobs, they can’t buy stuff. I guess I am just pessimistic after going through the 2000 and 2008 crashes. Hopefully we are nearing an actual recovery, but I am afraid that it is going to take a while to get there.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's been said for a while

that due to the depth of the recession, this recovery is likely to be at a more modest rate and take longer than previous recoveries.

I’m coming across as more optimistic than I probably actually am, but it seems like this is the time to switch from waiting on the sidelines to cautiously returning.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I say that I am worried,

but I am pouring 10% of my salary into my 401(k). The market is going up right now. I am just keeping an eye out for another downturn.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

A good point

People coming to the realization that “hmm, maybe I DON’T need three cars and an 8-bedroom house” makes perfect sense, but it doesn’t do any wonders for the economy.

We’re built on people buying shit they don’t need.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We were.

I’m not sure what we will be built on in the future. I don’t expect savings to stay above 5% like they have for the past 2 years, but you have to be hopeful that it’s higher than the 1% it was previously.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

What is that savings number a measure of?

Savings after retirement contributions and all, or does that sort of stuff (and employer contributions) count?

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Percent of disposable income.

I’m not sure where they get the numerator from, but it’s not an entirely new measure…so as long as they are staying consistent.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh.

I was going to say “well then put me down for like 0 then” but then I actually did the math and the amount I’m currently saving from take-home pay — which I consider an embarrassingly small amount — is like 3%. Which means holy crap everyone else was saving like literally nothing at all.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to see a major investment in public transportation

Cross country rail systems would rule (never gonna happen, just too expensive). But a major push for improved local transport would help with fossil fuel consumption and emissions.

Something like the Interstate Highways Act would be required though, and that sure as shit ain’t gonna happen in this day and age.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I would also love a system of high-speed rail.

Like you said, it would never happen, but it would be tight.

Los Angeles to Dallas in 4 hours while never leaving the ground!

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That's actually not possible.

I don’t think any trains go that fast.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Not yet.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew it.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm serious

They are planning one that will go over 350 mph if completed

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I want faster.

This is America! Fuck yeah!

Build the fastest train EVER.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We aren't all biggest and baddest you know.

Hell we couldn’t even build the most powerful nuclear weapon. Punch of pussies.

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well when you build something and call it Tsar Bomba

I think it deserves to be the biggest. I’ll cede that to them.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically they didn't call it that

We did and it stuck. so props to us I guess.

by DFWAg on Jan 12, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Still.

I’m ok with that one.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ludicrous speed!

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet she gives great helmet

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Something like Japan's bullet trains

or the Eurorail system would be badass.

Granted, the U.S. is pretty much bigger than all of Europe combined, but still….fun to dream.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh,

I’d settle for one along the I-35 corridor (and one from Dallas to Houston). But AJM or DJCahill are about to come in here and tell us the story of how Southwest killed it both times it got close to passing.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Golden Triangle baby!

I’d ride that shit so fucking hard.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh man no shit

Every weekend. Austin Texas, here I come!

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I seriously dream of it.

Le sigh.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

They have one from Fort Worth to

Austin. It’s not bad

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude. That train is the exact opposite of high speed.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

True

It is like a 4 hour ride. Better than nothing though

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You can drive that in less than 4 hours.

Shoot, you can do SA-DFW in under 4 hours if there isn’t bad traffic.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I know. I drive it

It is legal to get drunk and ride on it though. You can drink and eat. I just don’t like not having a car when I get to Austin. The worst part is you don’t stop in West for kolaches

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember the Light Rail

fiasco back in ’00. The local news kept flipping back between national Bush v. Gore chaos with even more chaos about the vote for Light Rail.

You’d think a city full of greenie hippies would be all over the light rail system. Turns out they just didn’t want to pay taxes either.

Bah.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What is really stupid is that they actually passed light rail a few years ago.

This time there was not any hype before the vote, so it was like they tried to sneak it buy the voters. And it worked, even though Cap Metro’s own studies showed that after 10 years, less than 1% of Austin would be using it. Parts of it are already up and running, and no on uses it.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

*no one

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Stimulus money, breaux.

Where do you think a lot of the money for the Metroplex Light Rail expansion came from?

By the way, Houston’s efforts to throw something together really quickly and be able to have another light rail line put in (to bring their total to 2) were amusingly sad.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially with the housing market still sucking hind tit.

PUT YOUR MONEY IN GOLD!
/FoxNews

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Gold is going to regress harder than Scott Feldman.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

A guy a use to work with owns about half a million in gold

physical gold. He has shit loads of gold coins like a god damn pirate.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

is he a Fratelli?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Or is it Goldmember?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

And he lives...

Where exactly?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Fossil Creek

He did have his dish washer full of gold and kept the rest in turkeys in his freezer. He lives in an apartment but in the past year has moved it to safe deposit boxes mostly. Too late now

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He is nuts. A conspiracy theorist

He also says Fox News is too liberal.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You live that close to Sharky?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If Sharky is a 60+ year old attorney/landman

then maybe. This guy jokes that he is to the right of Hitler.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Most would be.

Hitler loved nationalization.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah let's no go there again.

Forget I said anything.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Have we done that one before?

I don’t think I was here for that one.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone always mentions it.

A strict line makes about as much sense as a flat Earth.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

MIND = BLOWN.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

MIND = FUCKING BLOWN, DUDE.

You get some of the 532 guys in on this and maybe you have something.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

Oh but it was soooo much fun the first time.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That would have been my logic

but it did go down to 6600

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

My company is no longer a part of Citigroup, so we started a new 401(k) last July. I am up 9.87% since then.

Our new 401(k) is awesome because they give out the matching every pay period instead of just giving you one lump sum every year. That extra money is helping my 401(k) grow quickly.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

My company doesn't match,

they just contribute a nice percentage of my salary automatically regardless of what I save.

It’s nice.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, we do also get a 2% "fixed" contribution every year, so that is indeed nice.

I had forgotten about that until right now. Thanks for reminding me. That is something to look forward to.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's nice to get the old matching stuff (although pretty sure it's yearly)

Match up to 4% and 1/2 matching another 4%. So I put in 8% and they put in another 6%..

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I am up about 50% the past couple of months

and I am up about 300% since March of 2008

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Very nice.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant March of 2009

I would have lost my ass in 2008

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know who didn't lose their butt in 2008.

Unless you bought I can’t even remember the name, but it bet against the market. Bought it for a stock simulator, shares went up to $300 bucks. Needless to say I won haha

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Woooo 401(k)!

Now if you can just let me know when the next crash is going to happen ahead of time so that I can put all of my money in bonds, that would be great. Thanks.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as you put your money in good mutual funds and leave them alone, you're fine

Hands off isn’t easy, but it’s the way to go.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

American Funds is a good one.

Saved up a bunch of money when I was a kid put it in there. Done pretty well for not being able to put in it constantly. Started with B shares and they slowly converting to A shares.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You are wise, sir

The vast majority of my investments are in American Funds. For the long term investor, there’s not a better fund family out there.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No arguements there

I got in in early 2003

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been a dedicated supporter and investor since about 1994

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

I’m hoping to crack 10k this year if all goes according to plan.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Question:

Has this past collapse scared away any private investors here who worry that the financial services industry either takes too large a cut or has constructed a system that allows them to earn the profits off successful risky moves and pass off the downside of risky moves on to others?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I know that I am certainly more interested in funds that have low or no loads.

When I set up my new 401(k) this year, I made sure to choose a few no load index funds and some funds that had more consistent returns with low loads. I want to give Wall Street as little of my money as possible.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not at the point where I'm seriously investing yet,

but it just seems to me that one of the things we learned from the financial collapse is that Wall Street makes you take on a larger share of the risk (since you don’t get bailouts or multimillion dollar bonuses during times of poor performance) without giving you a similarly large share of the rewards.

I don’t claim to be a financial expert by any means, but my view from outside the system seems to be that the system is a bit rigged.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all rigged to an extent.

In some ways that’s how Enron went down along with some shaddy accounting, auditing, and segregation of duties.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I closed up about 2.5% today

which is nice

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Wall Street seems more concerned with coming up with new inventive means for making money

than with making sure that those means are safe or sustainable. They give big bonuses to these lunatics who come up with ideas like pooling toxic mortgages. And because the companies make more money per share by overleveraging themselves (by taking on debt instead of selling more stock), they constantly walk a fine line on the edge of bankruptcy. That really blew up in their faces.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but when the market is obviously cratering, it does not hurt to jump out for a bit.

I did that in 2008 and saved myself from some of the losses. Then I jumped back in while prices were still lower than when I cashed out.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm certainly not opposed to jumping out with a little bit of your portfolio to cash in on some profits

But jumping out while it’s cratering and then hoping to jump back in at the right time can be a dangerous game. You need to be buying through the decline, not selling.

If you believe the market will come back (and it always has), just hang tight and ride it out. In the end you’ll make more money.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed but I have been good at pulling out... no pun intended

I got out in January of 2008 and got back in March of 2009. I saw the shit that was going down in banking (I was a banker at the time) and knew bad things were coming down the pipeline.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, there was definitely a good opportunity to take some profits in there

And to be clear, I’m not opposed to cashing in on some big gains when circumstances warrant. But timing the market can be a recipe for disaster.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulls make money.. bears make money... but pigs get slaughtered

/Jim Cramer

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

hogs get slaughtered... sorry Jim

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my opinion

And I think you’re younger than me. My theory is I’m in it for the long term. Several high risk mutuals and I’m moving into some medium ones. The mutual with the most is Growth Fund of America which has historically done pretty good although I’ve been investing in it since about 2001 or so and haven’t seen many gains. Whatever – keep buying that shit when it’s low.

What I’m waiting for is further developent of a particular Wyo natural gas play now that the environmental impact assessment was completed a while ago. Got some stock in a company that has a ton of leases in the area. That and waiting for the price of natural gas to bounce back up. I think projections are that it has the fifth largest reserves in the country although the stock hit a low this past year. No reason to sell now.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

"Waiting for the prices of natural gas to bounce back up"

You and Boone Pickens, both.

(Though I guess this could be said for the entire Natural Gas industry and probably greener industries like Wind and Solar as well)

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

ALL ABOUT WIND POWER NOW, BOYS.

/TBOONE IN THE HOUSE.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard he was out on wind?

Texas didn’t build the high throughput transmission lines he wanted in time so now he’s pulling out of wind and throwing his weight behind natural gas. He is trying to get legislation enacted that requires semi-trucks to be all natural gas by a certain date.

Not that it has slowed wind in Texas that much. I was simply astounded to see the number of windmills when driving back from New Mexico that are all across the panhandle. I tried to keep a rough estimate, and probably failed, but where I had seen 50-100 windmills 2 years ago, I now saw close to 1000.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The lands surrounding my home town are nothing but

windmills. Tboone just wanted West Texas easements… he is going to use those for things other than wind or natty gas

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That drive from Sweetwater up to Lubbock is fairly boring

but the windmills make it wild-ass.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean, it's really stunning.

Many pockets of 100+ windmills. A bit mesmerizing.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Between Albany and Abilene

it looks like some sort of alien invasion with all of those windmills. I bet it would be awesome to stare at on some hallucinogens

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And there is now evidence that windmills can actually distort the environment.

Take that you crazy hippies!

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, duh.

/the laws of physics

I’ve been wondering just how big the effects of windmills would be for a while. It’ll be interesting to see going forward.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me started on the Green vs Green battle.

Damnit liberals piss me off sometimes.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, I never did figure out which abandoned nuclear power plant I found pictures of.

I looked for days.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite one is in Glen Rose

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you know a significant number

of very large solar farms are either being blocked or being sued to stop because though they are in the middle of desert-like areas, it also happens to be the domain of a certain few endangered animals? These ‘evil’ solar farms buy up large amounts of land, then only build on parts of it purposefully leaving a good part of their land untouched to help protect these endangered animals natural environment. Yet still, they get sued. Ridiculous.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That's crazy.

And solar farms do look so awesomely like some kind of evil villian’s apparatus. If I was a judge that would be enough to allow them.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

They've planned some really

large ones out in California and Arizona. The thing that really excites me are the Concentrated Solar Power (CSP) farms they’re building like this one. Blythe Solar Power project will consist of 4 250-megawatt farms capable of 1 gigawatt of energy production or enough to power 300,000 homes. So cool!

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

this angers me greatly.

seems like the animals would appreciate clean energy…

now I’m angrier.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 13, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

My last boss is trying to put together a Wyoming crew

for that play

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Pinedale Anticline or the newer Bridger-Teton one?

Pretty sure Bridger-Teton is barely done with its EIS if it’s done at all.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure. She was wanting my help.

I told her I couldn’t write opinions on Wyoming law, but she wanted me to help her run a crew of like 20 people

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What type of crew?

Roughnecks?

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Landmen

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh

You might be thinking about my neck of the woods. Oil play going on right now near Cheyenne. In fact, I need to get back to three people about leases. Weird thing is the landmen are super aggressive and often don’t want to tell me who their client is, which I prefer to know from a conflict-check standpoint.

Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

1 word, 3 syllables.

Assassins.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

and two asses and some ins

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Calm yourself, Dirk.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

My Dad's name is Dirk

but my last name isn’t a tron

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Dare I say ... assassins?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, how else do you propose to obtain the good leases and keep them out of the hands of the competition?

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

We're certainly not paying for them.

That’s for sure.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Poachers

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. For long term investing, using dollar cost averaging and riding out the highs and lows is the best way to go.

But, for instance, my company was owned by Citigroup, and I had 20% of my 401(k) in Citi stock. I sold when it was $30. It eventually dropped down to around $1.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Citigroup is probably my worst investment

I didn’t have a lot of it (50 shares or so, I think), but lost about 50% of it and finally just sold it and took some capital losses to offset some other gains.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Citi has been nice to me. I still own it.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

When I first started my 401(k), Citi was in the 50's.

It is now around 5. But If you bought it when it was around 1 or 2, then you are obviously in good shape.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I started buying it around a $1

I have bought and sold it several times playing the market. Most recently I have just sat on it though.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem solved

If we get Thome, Trade Murphy and a reliever for a upgrade in the bullpen, Michael Young plays Outfield…. I’d rather have MY’s where he’ll field the ball 4 or 5 times than 20 times a game at 1B.

I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum.

by Tex Pantego on Jan 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

And LISTEN

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Ice is back

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

And listen.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

In before the Aqua. Nice.

*high fives self

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

SIAP: an update on Twins' interest in Thome

from this article:

Thome has talked about wanting to return to Minnesota and general manager Bill Smith told Christensen that the Twins still hope to re-sign him, but clearly the two sides are far apart on money or contract length. Thome’s projected role could also be a factor, because if he re-signs and Justin Morneau is healthy the Twins would have five hitters for four lineup spots, which is the same logjam that led to Thome starting just 34 of 84 games prior to Morneau’s concussion.

If the Twins are offering him only a part-time gig and won’t pay a premium or make a two-year commitment it makes sense that other teams have entered the mix for Thome, who was one of the most valuable hitters in the league last season while earning just $2 million. Thome also isn’t an ideal fit for the Twins’ lefty heavy lineup because he’s a left-handed bat who should be on the bench versus most left-handed pitching.

by alon91 on Jan 12, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

Seems that he's just been fed.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, trying to write a BBTiA piece,

but my PI is bored today and seems to come up with something to talk about every other hour.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am guessing Public Intoxicator.

Someone who goes around in public handing out free alcohol to help people get intoxicated.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Dirk?

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm.

Someone who interrogates penises? Or an interrogator who is a penis?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh so close.

Principal Investigator

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate principals

Except Mr. Penn he was awesome

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

This guy was pretty cool

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

FEENEY!

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet he gave Topanga licks

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST

by RangersSD on Jan 12, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a decent chance I do some drinkings tonight and then do inappropriate postings.

We might need another Espanol Beltre Thread.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

Like exploding texts.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard more than a few guys

mention this idea of having the option to set your phone to a setting where all texts that you send in a certain time period destroy themselves within 30 seconds of the receiver opening it. There are probably ways around it, but it’s a nice idea to combat the dangers of drunk texting.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

Yeah, that wouldn’t work. Everyone would set their phone to delete their own outgoing text, but to ignore the delete requests for incoming texts.

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

(Cause unless texts were actually little executable programs that ran on the receiver's phone,

there’s no way for a message to destroy itself. And if texts were programs like that — holy shit virus city!)

by Closure GT on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I JUST DONE BLOWED UP YOUR ENTIRE PHONE, BRA.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I just sent you a facebook message.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Already replied,

home slice.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW.

2010 5* recruit Gary Franklin (point guard that chose Cal over us initially) started classes at Baylor today. He’ll be eligible in the Spring of 2012.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Jan 12, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Snap.

This pleases me.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Supplament with

Espanol boobage and I’m there.

LSB memetarded.

by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 12, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: So the local bar goes yapping on and on for weeks

about this “HUGE” show coming up in March. Wildcat waits for a week and a half for the announcement.

And who might this “huge” performer be?

House of Pain.

House.
of.
Pain.

*facepalm

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

didn't you see them recently?

or was that Cypress Hill?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither?

I’ll see Big Boi at 35 Conferette but….

by jam0152 on Jan 12, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, that was you...I knew it was one of you heads.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy Shit! House of Pain! That is huge! HUGE!

I love jumping around to bagpipe rap!

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Jan 12, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Everlast

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Texas Jihad on Jan 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

There was a day when The Moody Blues was the hottest show in town

That day is not today.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw the Moody Blues in Dallas at Reunion Arena.

They sucked.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Shitty?

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Jan 12, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what you'd call it....cross between art and glam with

a lot of estrogen in the mix.

Not sure why we went…they’re were kind of a big deal in the 70s and had a hit album for the first time in years. They were fair to spare in concert but their music seems really silly 30 years down the road.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

"Nights in White Satin" is bizarre, but I can't help listening to it whenever I hear it on the radio

And when it turns into to the poem at the end, that may be one of the weirder moments in classic rock history.

THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.

"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will

by WestTxAg06 on Jan 12, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Im about to start weeding through these 950+ comments but heres my thoughts on the subject

I don’t understand why everyone is so concerned if two of Murphy/Moreland/Borbon are in the lineup against LHP. For one thing Murphy and Moreland have shown that even if they don’t produce the results they won’t just be giveaway at bats against lefties. Both guys have shown they will work the count and give us good at bats which is really all we can ask from from the 7 and 8 or 7 and 9 spots in the order.

Last year LHB in the Al put up a 244/312/357 line against LHP.
Murphy was 272/328/368 against LHP last year so he was above average.
Morelands sample size was too small to go off of but he wasn’t a huge platoon split type guy in the minors so I don’t think he would drown against LHP in the majors if he had to have 100-150 ABs against them

And the improvement we would get from Thome against RHP in the games he played would far exceed whatever drop off we would get from playing Murphy or Moreland against LHP. If Manny or Vlad would accept a part time role like Thome will they would be ideal but I feel like Manny would be a clubhouse disaster if he only played every other day and we would have to get a new manager to keep Vlad from playing everyday. A guy like gentry or Chavez or someone like that simply isnt a big enough upgrade for what they’ll give you as Thome would be.

Here is how I would dole out the games started. Im using round numbers so it only adds to 160 instead of 162 games. Also the only guys I am putting for more than 140 games are Beltre and Young because they are the only ones who have shown they can be depended on to play that much. The rest is more of an ideal scenario and likely they won’t play as much as I have them down for.

CF: Borbon – 140, Hamilton – 20
RF: Cruz – 130, Hamilton – 30
LF: Murphy – 80, Hamilton – 80
3B: Beltre – 150, Young – 10
2B: Kinsler – 140, Young – 20
1B: Moreland – 100, Young – 60
DH: Thome – 80, Hamilton – 10, Cruz – 10, Young – 60

by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2011 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

If Davis had enough PA he would be in top 10 BA, Top 2 HR Top 5 RBI. Highest SLG and 2nd in OPS.

If you were to “up” his PA and adjust values based on that he would be about 12HR and 42+ RBI. Easily in front of anybody else.

I’m suprised to see Chris’s OPS as high as it is. This tells me he is striking out less (1 out of 4 PA at this point, but could be skewed due to slow start as mentioned by Newberg) and walking, getting on base more.

Davis won PCL player of the year for a reason. The raw talent is there, something is holding him back, but I got an oportunity to watch him bat up in OKC in many games. He just destroys the ball everywhere but on the MLB team. I hope he comes in the Spring Training with a goal of making the starting lineup. He needs to motivate himself to do better.

by TX_Canyon on Jan 12, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions  

A body might want to clarify which league he's speaking of

Because on initial read, this was a lolwut post.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 12, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't the foggiest.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

LiDom

I think, at least

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Jan 13, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

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