An idle thought on Manny
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2011 12:12 PM CST
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So the Rangers are apparently going hard after Manny Ramirez, even though he apparently wants to be an everyday player.
The assumption has been that if someone like Manny (or Jim Thome) were to be signed, then Mitch Moreland would lose out, and probably end up in AAA.
Or, alternatively, that Manny with be a bench bat, with Young and Moreland getting the majority of the playing time at DH and 1B.
However...just thinking out loud...
Is it possible that the Rangers would plan on making Manny the regular DH, with Moreland at first base, and move Michael Young to the bench?
That adding Manny would mean that Young would be the righthanded bench bat who would play first base against lefties and otherwise pinch hit?
Surely, on the heels of a World Series appearance, given everything the Rangers have said about Young and his leadership, presence, etc., Texas wouldn't marginalize Young in that fashion.
Would they?
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That's probably what would make the most sense from a baseball standpoint.
But I can’t imagine them actually doing it.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
No, they wouldn't.
Fanshot.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Get ready for a storm of
Shit.
But Baseball wise. That would be the best move.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions
T to the H to the I to the S.
Makes all the sense in the world to me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Mid Air hip bump?
Is that what we do next? I don’t know???? I am sooooo white.
/does Carlton Dance
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm down if you are.
/sheepish
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I'll leave it here for our Aggie friends.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
You wouldn't have liked that sheep, anyway.
It wasn’t covered in sand and didn’t have syphilis.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I forgot, you only like riding puffery named QB's
in to 7-6 records.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Considering where we've been.
You betcha.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
/ Classless
/Red Raider High School
/Smells Like Shit
/Not a Real School
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, let him make all the jokes he wants.
And I hope they’re not limited to Tech. The guy’s so funny, it’d be a shame to waste that wit on just one subject.
by brettgardner on Jan 21, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Oh you.
Ace knows I’m just funnin’ with him about Tech. The only person I get serious with about it is Josey.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
And I think it's funny as hell that somebody who had his parents pay that .
money for an education has his Gomer ass stuck in Tyler, Texas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
My parents never paid a red cent for my education at any stop.
But thanks for playing!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Looks like someone is being the lying sack of shit he hates so much
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I hope you're not talking about me, because I take a lot of pride in my parents not having paid.
And as for Josey, he’s not lying because he doesn’t have any idea. He’s just ignorant.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Not talking about you
You, sir, are an Esquire, which I respect very much.
I guess you’re also right that he isn’t lying.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I thought he was from Mineral Wells?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Your invited.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
*you're
/hug
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
No I meant it in the cents I typed it.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not a chance in hell.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I think you mean precedes.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
But do the need a Face?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
No, they have one
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
The one non-Jordana one?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
by RangersSD on Jan 21, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
I’m watching the game, and we’re losing by a bunch to the Angels. Jordana comes to, uh, distract me for awhile. When I’m finally able to get back to the game, Beltre’s putting us ahead with a 2-run PADMY single.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
Yeah, that's realistic. You need some new dreams.
We’re not going to be losing by a bunch to the Angels anytime soon.
by Closure GT on Jan 21, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
All three could get their PAs if MY was the bench player, too.
Giving certain players a quota of PAs isn’t what matters. It’s having the best player get the most PAs the most often.
Likely, Manny is the best overall, MY is the best against lefties, and Moreland is better than My against righties. Likely. I could see any one of those guys being the best this year.
Unfortunately, veteran leadership or contract size will overrule some of the possibilities.
Sure, I'm saying if all 3 are productive,
there still won’t be an issue getting them playing time.
Que sera, sera.
If MY is hitting for Manny when Manny is having a better season, or vice versa, that's an issue.
If MY is hitting against righties when Moreland would be doing it better, that’s an issue.
I think those are both potential issues, and I’ll bet one of them happens. Not that I think it’s likely to be a big deal or that I don’t want Manny, but I think it’s likely if we get Manny, someone is going to be under-utilized.
MY will get the playing time over Moreland
and I will be sad
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You haven't read AJM's newest post herding thread.
8 new front pages before 2pm Cha-ching!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm suddenly not so sure. . .
I’m pretty sure i’m going to write about this after work. I really want to write about it now.
Well, I think we kinda agree there.
If Moreland can give us an entire season that replicates his postseason, then we have a nice little problem.
And our 3 best players, unfortunately, have annual trips to the DL. I think there will be plenty of opportunities.
Que sera, sera.
Too much talent is a very good problem to have.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
so if JD signs Manny
would you say he’s done a great job this winter
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That's a stupid question.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
A "great job" ??? No...Cliff Lee left the building and his replacement is Brandon Webb.
Making noise about trying to trade Young in order to fit Lee’s contract in the budget pretty much killed any chance at signing Lee.
If Manny comes aboard, I’d give JD a B-.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
You're so very stupid
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 21, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He asked.
If you bring in ABeltre and keep Cliff Lee, yeah, I might say you did a good job.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Or even a great job.
To date, this off-season rates as a C-.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Okay lets just take a look at some of your post
Cliff Lee left the building and his replacement is Brandon Webb.
No, his replacement is not Brandon Webb.
Making noise about trying to trade Young in order to fit Lee’s contract in the budget
You have no evidence whatsoever that trading Young was to fit Lee’s contract in the budget nor that the Young rumors were related to Lee at all. If anything, they were much more related to trying to go after Beltre.
pretty much killed any chance at signing Lee.
Wrong. That would be Philly that killed any chance at signing Lee.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
This is ground that we've all covered before.
He’s not going to listen.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Because Cliff Lee said Philly didn't enter the picture
until the last 4-5 days…you know, right when all those nasty Young to the Rockies rumors started.
Everybody in the FO has blood on their hands with Cliff Lee including JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Two things close in time just have to be related!
You are so right, Josey!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Superstar!
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't max out your lineup when they're not on the DL.
The DL trips are why I think you go after Manny even if someone solid is going to lose playing time.
If AJM can't tell us things people tell him for fear they won't tell him things anymore
Could he still innocently wonder those things of his own accord?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
by Keynes on Jan 21, 2011 12:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I Don't See Texas Benching Young...
I imagine that they’d essentially platoon Michael Young and Manny Ramirez at Designated Hitter, with Young playing first base on days that he doesn’t DH. On days where Young is the DH, they’d use Mitch Moreland at first. Although in this scenario, you have either Young or Ramirez at DH everyday.
But without the ability to rotate Nelson Cruz and Josh Hamilton through the DH spot, it could really cut into David Murphy’s at-bats. If Moreland, who, like Murphy hits left-handed, can handle the corner outfield spots, you’d figure Murphy could be a trade candidate.
"A biker whose ex-wife was a porn star --- what could go wrong with that?" - Sandra Bullock
Hamilton will probably play about 40 games in CF(which puts Murphy in LF), miss 10-15, Cruz will miss 10-15,
throw in some pinch hitting, and Murphy still gets 300-400 PAs.
Que sera, sera.
If Young is moved to a bench role
Be prepared to see lots more days off for Beltre, Andrus, and Kinsler as well. My guess would be that Young would still find 5 games a week to play in.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
If this happens
you have to think that Moreland or Murphy is traded.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Come on Rangers...
Do it for the laughs.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 21, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions
Why is it so hard to believe that Manny would come here for 300-350 at bats
and believe there wouldn’t be enough playing time or plate appearances left to fill at 1B/DH between Moreland/Face?
That doesn’t even take into account the 30-40 games Face may get at 3B & 2B if we are to believe the talk about him becoming the Super Utility Infielder / Chone Figgins East.
Give the Sheriff credit for stirring the pot on a cold day but The Plan is not to start Michael Young on the bench.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Is the Sheriff you're talking about?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Or this one???
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's me.
Ken, the friend of fucktard Wales.
by matt dillion on Jan 21, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to think that signing Manny with the understanding that he gets limited PAs is feasible
but I don’t really see it. Do you see him signing a deal without a guaranteed spot in the lineup?
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Go to Texas and play for player's manager in an extremely hitter friendly park for
a team that went to the World Series and desperately needs you or go play for the Fighting Showalters in Baltimore?
Manny really has no choice right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
At this point if I'm Manny I'm waiting to see if there are any injuries in Spring Training.
And I don’t think Baltimore would be that bad of a choice for him. I could definitely him going there if he gets paid more and/or they guarantee him PAs.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think the PA's will be more of an incentive than the money.
And I think another team will offer more of both to him than the Rangers.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Did you not read BBTiA today?
furthermore, Ramirez is thought to have made money more of a secondary consideration at this point,
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Hence my statement
“..the PA’s will be more of an incentive than the money”
followed by: “I think another team will offer more of both”
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
And I think he wants to play for a winner
So…we’ll see.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I doubt being a winner matters
I would think at this point its about playing time and what he can add to his career numbers.
The guy already has a couple World Series titles.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well...
Are we talking about a Manny Ramirez who wants to contend or are we talking about a Manny Ramirez who wants to hit 600 homers in his career?
Do you really think he would take less money/playing time?
And do you think the average free agent views Texas as a place to “contend”?
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think a team that just went to the WS
going through the 2 best teams in the AL and got one of the top FAs to come here is a team that is in contention.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That top FA is gone...
And I’m sure the avg free agent just sees the Rangers as a fluke team of 2010.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Doubtful
Considering a lot of these guys played the Rangers in 2010, they probably have a lot more respect for the Rangers then the average fan does.
And the FA I was talking about was Beltre.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Beltre, got it.
The Manny talk gives me a tired head. I just am leery of a Harden-esque result from this guy. He’s going to cost serious money. Boras will make sure of that. And I think that money could be used more wisely at the trade deadline this summer for a better, more reliable bet.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I doubt Manny gets more than $ 5 million guaranteed...maybe even
what was offered to Thome but incentive-laden.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
Manny going from over averaging over 15 mil a year for the last 10 YEARS, going down to only 5 mil? I understand he’s thought to not be about the money right now, but he has pride.
We see it as paying 5 mil for quality AB’s for a contending team. He may see it as getting peanuts for a part-time gig where he only gets to see the field 4 times every other day.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Scratch that bad math. He avg over 20 million the last 10 years.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
At this point
I doubt its going to be that big of a contract, since the Manny talk seems to be about going after him as a part time player. I doubt they pay that much for that kind of a player, even if its Manny.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
XM 175 said this morning that Damon & Manny are both repped by Boras.
So Damon signs today with Tampa and then Manny inks his deal with Texas early next week.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, that's what you think.
The prevailing attitude I get from non-Ranger fans is that Texas was a one-hit wonder. I wonder if free agents think this team should be taken seriously as a contender to defend the pennant.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe that free agents look at any team that just went to the WS as a non contender
And like I said, they went out and got one of the big FAs that were out there in Beltre. Sure, they lost Lee, but Beltre helps out a lot, at least with the perception of this team.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I just find it hard to believe that guys are beating down Jon Daniels' door because they want to play for a contender.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's a different issue though
How important playing for a winning team is to a FA is likely different for every player.
What I don’t think is different for most players is viewing Texas as a place that will contend.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'm not really sure what you mean by that.
My original point, though, is that I don’t see Manny coming here unless MY is relegated to a bench bat, as AJM suggested, or JD money-whips him.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're wrong.
/Rosenpenis
(and I really do think that)
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Why?
It’s hard for me to envision a scenario where Manny agrees to leave money on the table to go sit on the bench with the Rangers because they’re the favorites to win the West.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if you believe the espndeportes article
He is said to be not worried about money right now, just proving that he still has something in the tank. And I really don’t see him going to a non-contender, which he hasn’t played on in a long time, excepting last years shitty Dodger team.
IMFO anyways.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I was responding to this
And do you think the average free agent views Texas as a place to "contend"?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Okay, maybe you're right.
It’s hard to know.
by Robert L. Bishop on Jan 21, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
And neither of those scenarios bodes well for the Rangers.
The first one just won’t happen, IMO. And the second one would be very detrimental to the teams ability to make a move at the trade deadline.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I think Manny wants his 600 homers.
I don’t really know if he really cares to contend, but I doubt that it is the determining factor. I think he wants his ABs and opportunities to hit. Now, regardless of that, yes, I view us as a contender after making solid FA acquisitions and seeing as to how hard we pushed for Lee, yes. Whether or not the ‘average free agent’ views last year as a fluke or not is beyond me.
Does Manny even know how many HRs he has?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Ian Kinsler didn't know at Winter Caravan
When a 5 year old ask him at the one in Mesquite.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Manny's sly like a fox. He likes playing 'Manny being Manny',
but he knows what’s up. I’m sure Boras reminds him, as well.
Que sera, sera.
Once you get closer to the big milestone marks
I’m sure you start remembering more.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I would actually prefer he not know after what happened in '09 when he was chasing 30/30
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
Kinsler knows
he’s the guy that had to get 30/30. He may act like he didn’t know with a 5 year old, but he knows his numbers.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yup...I would say 99% do.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
And.. just to add on..
You got to think that the rest of this division is weak. Oakland is the second best team in this division so winning the West shouldn’t be unexpected to free agents.
That reminds me of my Milton Bradley theory...
…that Milton Bradley finally got to play for a black manager who “got him” and had a career year.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I shouldn't say "my" theory.
“The” Milton Bradley theory.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I believe its the Parker Brothers Theory.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
How about this:
Sign Manny, trade Kinsler/Scheppers/+ for Josh Johnson. Move MY to 2nd and pray his defense doesn’t kill you there. (note I am not promoting this deal, just spitballing)
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Jan 21, 2011 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Gotcha...
I guess I overrated Kinsler’s trade value, but his contract is very team friendly… He was in fangraphs top 50 trade value list last year IIRC…
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Jan 21, 2011 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This idea.
It is horrible.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
MY shouldn't be the starting 2B
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I suggested this a while back
It will take more than that to pry away Johnson.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
May we interest you in a Beltre or de los Santos from our platter?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
No MLDS, I fucking love that guy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
He's not on the platter.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Poo-poo Platter
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wow...maybe a good non-sign
The Mariners have reduced shortstop Estelion Peguero’s signing bonus from $2.9 million to $1.1. million.
A couple of international scouting directors told Ben Badler of Baseball America that Peguero’s physical didn’t go as smoothly as expected and that there might have been an issue with the 17-year-old’s shoulder.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
.
Rangers Josh Hamilton says he’s about 90 percent. Dropped from 233 to 223.
about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
aandro
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
UberTwitter?
So if this was a tweet about Cruz, would it be Grande’Twitter?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Well back to the gym then
Good thing we got this out of the way early
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I doubt it They could all fit probably
Guessing about 105 games versus RHP
RHP
Moreland – 1B 105 games
Manny – DH – 60 games
Young – DH – 45 games, 3B – 10 games or so
LHP
Young – 1B – 55 games,
Manny – DH – 55 games
Young still gets 110 games minimum
Manny gets 115 games
Moreland gets 105 games and that’s without any injuries to Beltre or any of those three which would bring their totals up
Its hard to trust Warsh
He loves him some old broken down vets. But Manny could help if used right.
Is Manny going to be more productive of a hitter than michael young, tho?
I feel like they would be close in production, Manny being slightly better, but nothing incredibly game-changing. Manny, if he comes in, will be the RH bench bat. It was hard enough to get MY to accept the super-sub role. No way does he get demoted to a solely bench player.
Rangers FTW
Manny '10: .382 wOBA | 141 wRC+
MY: .335 | 106
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
you wouldn't be comparing Manny to Michael Young
MY is going to play every day no doubt about it. It would be Manny over Moreland.,
"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW
I don't want a guy who used illegal drugs!
/idiot DMN crowd
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions
Young as UIF?
then Rangers wouldnt need Blanco to back up Young? Could a hopeful for the HOF replace a light hitting good glove man whose only job will be to rest Andrus sometimes?
by goodasgoldyesmaam on Jan 21, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions
Tanner Scheppers converted to OF?
this team already has enough young relievers.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Do you really want Young at SS for a few weeks
if Elvis is injured? The one thing a UIF needs is a good glove.
It's possible, of course, but really unlikely.
My dream scenario is treating that contract as a sunk cost and having Young on the bench, occassionally playing 2nd and 3rd when Kinz and Beltre need days off, or DH for Manny now and then, pinch hitting as often as possible, and maybe even platooning at 1st with Moreland. Or playing first if Moreland crashes.
That, of course, is my dream. More likely, if he were on the bench, they’d use him as a super utility, with too many games at shortstop and second. And more likely than that, Moreland is going to AAA. And there’s the whole thing where your team leader might raise hell if you ask him to play on the bench and the ruckus could cause your team to lose more games or something like that.
So, I doubt it. But it would be nice.
Also, if MY came out and said "I'm not as good as these guys and I'll accept sitting on the bench if that makes us better. . ."
. . . I’d stop caring about the whole making room for Elvis thing forever. And then some.
Not that it’s happening.
heh....all would be forgiven no matter what
"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW
They flew in Boston.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
it would be a different sports world
if aging vets had any realization that their time had passed
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
MY
So in your dream it would be for MY:
3rd 10 games
SS 5 games
2nd 10 games
1st 60 games
DH 60 games
Then each of the other IF get some days off….Moreland doesn’t have to play against lefties and MY gets 145ish games.
Also ManRam could always play LF 5-6 innings while Hamilton and Cruz play Center, Right then Borbon and/or Murph could PH/outfield replacement later in the game. Then have a righty lineup against lefties: kinsler, young, hamilton, manny, cruz, beltre murph torrealba andrus
by ACtheStud1980 on Jan 21, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
To paraphrase a response sometimes heard from AJM:
No
Godspeed Mike Olt. Oops. Sorry, to see you're trade bait now.
Would that really be considered a paraphrase?
Wouldn’t “N” be more appropriate?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm sure if JD had his way
that would be the case. But, they’re going to be very PC about this…
Although, with Evan Grant saying the Rangers think that Mitch is the 2nd coming; that maybe they don’t really care about being PC…
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
MLB Trade
is now saying the Rays and Damon haven’t agreed to anything and they might possibly pursue Damon and Manny/Vlad. Damon plays LF, the other DH’s…
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 21, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions
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For the right price, the Rays could add Damon plus Ramirez or Guerrero, major-league sources say — and Ramirez would seem to be more likely, given that he probably will cost less.
Under such a scenario, Damon would get most of his at-bats in left field. Ramirez or Guerrero would be the primary DH. And the boost to the Rays’ offense could be significant.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
If we do sign Manny
then I think part of Nolan’s job is to make a statement to the public that we are not interested in said player right before we sign them. this would have happened with both Beltre and ManRam
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
ManRam
That’s the other thing. I really dislike that nickname.
MaxRam is the only one I honestly can stand of the first name/last name combos. The rest stink.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
too bad Ahole (phonetic spelling)
isn’t used for the best player in the game
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I watched about 5 mins of American Idol (all I can stand of the show)
and I thought she has still got it. how old is she
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I watched a little bit longer than NothinG,
he’s being Steven Tyler, bop-bo-she-bop yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!
Que sera, sera.
Why would anyone ever watch that show is the better question.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Dang. I've been called a racist twice today and now a homophobe.
I’m on a roll.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
You went to Tech
go with it…
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
MikeYo, IKin, ElvAn, AdBe, MiMo, CeejWi, ColLew, JoHam, NeCruz, DaMurph, JuBor, MatTra
DaMurph and MiMo work, I think. And JuBor has a funny ring to it.
OR
there is a disconnect between Nolan and JD?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
I wish this extension would get done.
I wonder: is it JD sitting across the table from Nolan and Chuck? Or is it lawyer types discussing contracts? Both?
JD's thumbs are in Nolan's ass
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Kinky
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Young
If you are going to bench him, then I think you trade him first.
Even if you have to pay $8-10 million of his salary, the $6-8 million you have left will buy you more than a utility player.
Or, you trade him and take back a more useful, but equally overpriced, player (Derek Lowe, for example).
Under this assumption
We say Moreland is an overall better player than Michael Young?
Formerly Rangers121032
I'm not positive he will be.
I think it’s probably going to be close, with a slight edge to MY. I think Moreland is likely the better fielder and can be a better hitter, but I’m more comfortable about MY being above average than I am Moreland just because of sample size.
I am fairly comfortable in Moreland hitting righties better, though.
I just think
That if someone would be benched for less playing time it has to be Moreland if your the Rangers. He had a good season for when he was up here(Compared to our other choices he was MVP) but if you put Michael Young’s number’s from last year at 1B or even what you expect from him I’d think those would be the ceiling for Mitch Moreland.
Formerly Rangers121032
What was MYs wOBA?
What do you think both will put up in ’11 and why? What does ZiPS say? Are you considering handedness?
by philkid3 on Jan 21, 2011 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
.335...Which was a 50 point drop from year before and he had his lowest BABIP since 2002
.285 .334 .442 143 593 82 169 33 3 18 75 46 99 6 2 103
.269 .336 .433 149 568 68 153 35 2 18 85 57 108 4 3 101
Which do you think is which without looking?
Formerly Rangers121032
MY: .335 | 106-James has .344 predicted in 11
MM: 357 | 122-.362 predicted in 11
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Glaus
Anybody interested?
He is probably better option for right handed bench bat and probably would be ok for playing only 80-110 games.
Other options than Glaus, Vlad, Manny?
Glaus
Problem with him is that he can’t play the OF.
Manny may not play it well, but you could stick him LF if you really needed to.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 21, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how that matters
I’d actually think being able to play 1B > being able to stand in LF.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
Anybody else freaked out by this picture?
Mitch and Ian standing next to each other like that makes it look like one player with two heads and two left arms. Weird.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Unless they fire Wash or trade Young
I don’t see that happening.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Anybody wish....
That we had Brandon Boggs from 2008….hits RH?
Byrd is the word.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Literally the only funny episode of Family Guy I've ever seen.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
The KoolAid man busting through the wall after they had all said "Oh no!"
was really funny the first few times I saw it.
Would everyone please refrain from saying Oh No
Also…It’s not easy being cheesy
Formerly Rangers121032
Then I suspect you have little or no sense of humor.
That show is gold.
LSB memetarded.
by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 21, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not do this again.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I don't understand
why anyone would want Manny on this team as anything more than a bench bat. I agree Michael Young is over payed and is below average defensively, but there are intangibles that your stat book doesn’t see along with almost 2,000 hits the guy has collected playing the last decade in baseball hell until last season. He has done everything he can to make this team better, don’t hold a grudge against him because he accepted the contract that was proposed to him. Show a little loyalty you ungreatful bastards.
Is it tough to function
without a frontal lobe?
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
by DJCahill on Jan 21, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I lol'ed
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
If you are going to insult us and call us ungrateful, at least spell it right.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
by crazy86er on Jan 21, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking this is a parody comment, yah?
but there are intangibles that your stat book doesn’t see along with almost 2,000 hits the guy has collected playing the last decade in baseball hell until last season. He has done everything he can to make this team better, don’t hold a grudge against him because he accepted the contract that was proposed to him. Show a little loyalty you ungreatful bastards.
I mean, come on.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
He's not a HOF, Young that is.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Well....
Manny has almost 2,600 hits and is a lot better hitter than Michael Young, even at age 38.
Young has been paid well for “everything he can to make this team better”.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 21, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Nolan Reimold?
2 mid-level prospects for him…plays outfield….RH bat….interested?
He signed a arbitration deal for $6million I believe.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Seemed to have a power outage last year, but I would prolly be on board.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
Ryan Spilborghs
what would it take to get him….MY…lol
by ACtheStud1980 on Jan 21, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Bob STFU about baseball, you suck at it.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Followed by Ask Sports Sturm
Oh, the Garoon.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I'm generally all music from end of the Norm/BaDD mix until WTDS.
During football season, I’ll listen to Bob a little more often. I just can’t stand Dan, Donny’s a big bag of nothing, and their daily segments are yawners.
I've grown to hate Norm in the past few months
I’m trying to find an alternative, like Josh at 11am.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I could see it.
That’s why I think Young has to be at least a little bit concerned right now. FWIW, I think that arrangement might be the best option in terms of putting the best team on the field in 2011.
Not mediocre. Right about average
OT: Anyone going to Fan Fest?
I’m taking my daughter tomorrow. She’s pretty excited about it being indoors this year.
Here’s a map for no reason: MAP
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
Foundation sale is where you want to be
To get cool things like old programs, media guides, banners, and spare jersies.
Alex Cora is mine.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Fire Pat Knight Hire Billy Clyde
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 21, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I used to work FanFest before i came to Mizzou.
It was always a lot of fun, despite the cold. This year, though, it’s indoors like you said so that won’t be an issue.
I guess a young whippersnapper like Manny would seem annoying when you're 138
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
Hahaha nice.
Runnin’ ‘round with his dirty hair and his damn trousers ’round his ankles; like he’s got no shame a’tall.
Few that I see
1. The Rangers are simply driving up the price for the Angels a little.
2. Young is about to be traded.
3. They’re just BSing the media, and Mitch will be in the minors to start the year. But they won’t hesitate to cut ties with Manny if anything goes wrong a la Sideny Ponson/Padilla. It would be easy to cut ties because he doesn’t cost a ton, and we have Young and Moreland’s services available as insurance.
I like option 3.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
x
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Of those 3 options
3 is the most likely but does go against what were hearing about Mitch.
Formerly Rangers121032
Those guys are racist
/Sharky/Rangers100
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
You forgot to include philkid with the others.
Said I was racist for saying Judy Borbon was nowhere near the player Tiny E was last year.
The race card is the crutch of the unsophisticated.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I did not experience said experience
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I would be very concerned about Manny being a disruptive clubhouse personality
the only hope is that he is pretty decent friends with CJ
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
can young play any OF?
if we can turn him into our DeRosa, he could still be a valuable player and play almost every day.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
There's no way in hell the Rangers would bench Young...
and even if they told him they were going to do that, I’m pretty sure he would then demand a trade. And to be honest with you, I don’t think I’d blame him at that point.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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