Young changes position (on changing positions)?
by benmor78 on Jan 3, 2011 9:34 PM CST
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What's up with that? Is Josey's position going to be that Nolan came in with some Texas high heat and straightened things out? Or something else? Place your bets now!
I still don't think that, ultimately, the net benefit is going to be that great, although considering our struggles in obtaining decent DH's over the years, maybe it will. Young's no Richard Hidalgo.
Edit: via Evan Grant's facebook.
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time for MY to bulk up.
get back on that 25lb offseason.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Guess this means...
things are getting close.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
WARNING ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Lots of flatulence taking place.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I could see this thread turning into another 3000 comments if there weren't so much
flatulence taking place and polluting the atmosphere.
That has never stopped anything before.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
this is useful actually
and will become increasingly so as this site is just continuing to grow and we’re getting crazy threads.
would be great if people could give a summary at the top telling us what to expect, avoid, or if we should just skip altogether because JW is contaminating the thread.
Back from the evening fisting?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
So abrasive lol.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
this pretty much sums up large parts of this thread for me,,,
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jan 4, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
C'mon now, you're gettting lazy. That's a reissue.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
same concept....
still a beating….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jan 4, 2011 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
About Face?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Jan 3, 2011 9:45 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
DMN headline tomorrow
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Or he goes back on his words and they can run with this....
Boom!!!!
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jan 3, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Well done sire
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Well done
I’m a lemming, what can I say?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 3, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
I like
Michael Young. This is very classy. He loves the Rangers, just like we do. It will be a shame if LSB continues to give him little respect.
Jon Daniels > Nolan Ryan > awesome
I hate Michael Young. This is very classy.
Wow – I knock MY as much as anybody, actually kinda dislike him a whole bunch. But if all the quotes coming out are true then I’m going to have wipe the slate clean and start over with the boy.
100% agreed
He didn’t seem genuine with his last hissy fit moving to third but I give him props for learning from that situation. Doesn’t hurt that the team is good now and getting better so hard for him to be too upset.
by slimshadty12 on Jan 3, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well under normal conditions he moves like a gnome
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
That sound to your far left is Angel tears.
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
by TedFord on Jan 3, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Don't read the facebook comments
“He’s such a team guy, blah blah blah”.
It’s great he’s decided to move, we get a great utility infielder and a decent DH, we upgrade at 3B and we get to hear over and over again how classy MY.
Wins all around, amiright?
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depends on the Beltre contract
but i’d be inclined to say yes.
Not likely to happen, but dreams are the foundation of baseball, so dream away. - JParks
I left that fanpage
after this year’s draft. It made me want to do awful, awful things to everyone and everything around me.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
You should of seen when they signed Odor.
Holy shit what a bunch of fucking ignorant people.
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Did they say we should have signed Cliff Lee instead?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
It was alot along the lines of
“that stinks” and “what about Elvis?”
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I have spread this bit like an infection
It’s bigger than all of us now
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Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Yep
LookoutLanding Lots of people giving Michael Young props for not being a complete stubborn asshole
x
Evan_P_Grant To all asking about Michael Young’s statement: This is what he does. That’s just who he is.
LIES
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
He didn't do that 2 years ago.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
LOL!
I wonder what his (EG) tone would be if they asked CJ Wilson to go back to the bullpen and he swiftly declined.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Was he possessed 2 years ago?
Or are we just going to choose to ignore that now?
Josey Wales is stupid
5 years
75 million, sixth year team option with a $4 million buyout
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions
link plz?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
i think its his prediction
not the actual contract, though that would be fantastic if that were the case.
Ya, wasn't thinking... Should have tinyurld it
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'll click it
Right after I listen to Rangers Fan Radio.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
by Drew062682 on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I will make sure and hold my breath Drew.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't recommend it
Just sayin….
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Word
fuck you vevo for cutting out the bad language. not everyone on the mother fucking internet isn’t a fucking protestant brainwashed fucking babysitter claiming that fucking swaring will make you do drugs or that you’ll end up in hell.
STOP FUCKING CUTTING OUT THE JUICE TO EVERY FUCKING SONG!!!!!
FUCK YOU!!
by SneakerNut on Jan 3, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Horns130 twin just showed.up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
you are one of those people that comments on every video with an anti-vevo post arnt you?
I was always wondering what they were so upset about.
From Grant:
The Rangers, however, seem to have interest in having a versatile player capable of playing multiple positions as their prime DH. GM Jon Daniels said during a press briefing Monday that such a player is the primary reason the Rangers haven’t acted more decisively about bringing back Vladimir Guerrero. Guerrero, who turns 36 in February, was limited to DH duty. His attempts to play the outfield during the World Series were costly to the Rangers on defense.
That’s putting it lightly.
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uhm
then why the fuck was he playing in the outfield then1?!?!?!
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
To make him STFU
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
i've never heard vlad say one word
ever.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
You did, just tough to understand
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I apologize I thought this was a Michael Young Only Zone, carry on
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Because he's a gritty veteran and Wash is a dumbass.
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That might have been the worst part of actually being at Game 1...
Just knowing something horrific was going to happen in right field and being so close to to, but being helpless to stop it.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Does this mean we can't use this anymore?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
by RangersSD on Jan 3, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
That seems like about 30 more than I'd wager.
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between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
Id expect it to be around 50 as well, but injuries are obviously the hard part to predict
Josey Wales is stupid
Ok, I can go 50.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
when he's in the field yes
and that may be more games than we think. Feel free to blow it up and bring it the RBiA and use at a game he starts.
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Jeff Sullivan gets it.
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
@d_a_cameron Earlier today: http://bit.ly/ifySah Sounds like Young realized he didn’t have a choice
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Play ball or we'll trade you to Pittsburgh.
THAT is leverage.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Guess I was too out of the loop during the whole Young to 3rd fiasco.
However, to me, this situation is different. I’m not defending Michael, but I’m sure he understands how good of a 3rd basemen Beltre is, and the might simply be conceding to the superior talent.
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That maybe Young respects Beltre's talent
and didn’t with Elvis? That’s just pure speculation on my part, though. Obviously Elvis is the superior defender, and overall, the better player, but maybe Young didn’t understand what Elvis could give the Rangers.
Like I said, though, just pure speculation on my part.
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Pretty much
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Right
He had no real choice.
He could look like a good and move off 3B, or he could look selfish and still move off 3B.
You have to assume he’s realized that he’s no longer the face of the franchise.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 3, 2011 10:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think you're probably perceptive enough to understand that
Hamilton is the face of this franchise now.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Actually
I think Nolan is the face of the franchise now, and the guy that Young certainly doesn’t want to get into a public disagreement with.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 3, 2011 10:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
I think Nolan is the face of the franchise now, and the guy that Young certainly doesn’t want to get into a public disagreement with.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 3, 2011 10:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Young ever made a decision thinking he was the face of the franchise.
I think it’s ridiculous for people to look at his statements and actions and come to the conclusion he was the least bit a prima donna
Pretty much...
Though I give Young credit for not being stubborn and seemingly genuinely wanting to be here.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
I mean, really...
it could have gone a lot, lot worse.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, sounds like Young saw the handwriting on the wall
and decided to be classy. Very cool.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Good for him. It was the right move.
And the smart move to prolong his career and keep his value up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
It was the smart move. Tessio was always the smart one.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
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by AirJordan on Jan 3, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck yeah.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
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by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2011 10:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ok. the reactions on here to this are pretty effing bizarre
We had one report on here that said “he wasn’t receptive” and the next report is that Young has agreed to change positions.
And people are dogging him? What the fuck?
Because he didn’t immediately jump up and down and say “I’m done at 3B” at the first hint of signing Beltre? He never even made any sort of statement that said he wouldn’t move and we dont’ even know how his hesitation played out but half the people here are acting like he just held out forever and is finally coming to grips after the Rangers strong armed him. I especially like the “do you want a cookie” tone for something that he’s not really requesting praise for.
Whatever. Looks like strong arm tactics weren’t necessary
by ab03 on Jan 3, 2011 10:18 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I think the Andrus experience showed Young
that he could trust that this sort of thing might be for the best. He’s proud, he’s not stupid.
I completely understand being reluctant to move off SS in your prime for a 20 year old. He felt a bit blindsided, reacted negatively and then came around. I’ve bagged on Young occasionally, defended him occasionally when I’ve felt it’s gotten a bit ridiculous, but you know, if Andrus flops, are we all still calling for Young’s head?
The organization decided to take a big risk with Andrus, and they asked one of their core players and a guy who was pretty much a team icon to step aside to do so. Ballsy for all involved. It worked out, but we shouldn’t pretend that this was a slam dunk, no brainer move.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
by t ball on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd bet my mortgage Molitor was brought up, and MY kinda likes the idea of prolonging his career like a HOFer.
I bet he’s actually gonna end up being pumped about this. I’m still skeptical about the money and years to Beltre, but this is getting me a little pumped.
Que sera, sera.
or Figgins
or any number of other old people.
And really, there’s no reason for him to feel attached to a position that he sucked at.
And not broken by the same people that broke the original story (T.R., ESPN)
I think there’s something to that as well
Different sources?
Though these quotes come from Young directly… interesting. Very interesting.
I give Young credit for making his decision — and his statement — quickly. Even given the lack of specifics, this report (despite the initial report and the first go-round) affects the way I view Young’s capacities as a leader.
Who wants to play third base?
It is a really tough position to play, in my opinion, and has been known to make some pretty decent players look bad. Perhaps Young didn’t mind getting away from the “hot corner.”
I used to play first base, and I don’t think it is that tough to play if they want him to lay there. Obviously he can play second if and when Kinsler gets injured. Or he can just hit as a DH. He’s got a whole spring training to work on the positions he might be playing.
How much money for you to join the WyoRanger retirement plan?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
People are just looking for a reason to hate the guy
He gets eviscerated for a non-story about him not being giddy about moving, then when he agrees to move he’s mocked for flip flopping just to look good? This is very strange.
I hate to side with the “LSB folks hate Young too much” crowd, but in many cases it is uncalled for…
The team’s longest tenured guy agreed to move to DH if it meant landing Beltre. Give the guy some credit (even though he ruined my personal plan to block the signing…)
Go Rice Owls!
It's not hate to point out he's not good at defense ...
oh wait, can’t use that one here.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I think anyone would have to think about that
It’s a big career decision. I am sure he doesn’t want to be type cast as only a dh now. He won’t be able to make as much scratch on his next contract, then if he was still considered a position player.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Read his quotes, too
there isn’t any hint of selfishness. Not even the slightest.
The sum total of what we know about MY and position changes:
1) He volunteered to move to SS
2) He balked at moving to 3rd because he thought JD was telling him to move. But he did
3) He apparently had initial hesitation (maybe) but seems pretty emphatic about moving off 3rd to unnamed position
What the fuck else is he supposed to do?
by ab03 on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, funny you never read that anywhere else...
but while I do agree that MY gets a little too much hate here at LSB (yeah, his defense sucks, I get it), he also gets some nauseating love everywhere else (EG, Durrett). Actually, I remember Durrett kind of calling out Young’s struggles on the espndallas blog last year.
What Young said is cool...
but Grant licking his balls?
This is what he does. That’s just who he is.
Not so much.
Why?
What did Young do that Grant can’t say that? Is this not his 3rd position change for the good of the team?
His first position move
was before he got a big pay day and was a move to what is generally regarded as the more premium position. His second move was met with a request to be traded and a month long hissy fit about how he was told to move positions to improve the team. This last one was at least rumored to have been met with similar reluctance, but it looks like Young made the smart move and is coming out being okay to switch positions. Its possible Young realized that he didn’t have another option, its possible that this time he realized that the front office knows what they’re doing, who knows.
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I don't see how you classify that as a hissy fit.
We found out he asked for a trade a month after it happened. When it came to light, he almost immediately moved positions
Almost immediately?
You either didn’t pay attention that closely or we have 2 different definitions of “immediately”.
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I'm going to bed
the answer is 4 days. Jan 11th – News that Young requested a trade. Jan 15th – Young agrees to move.
I think 4 days is fine, especially since it didn’t involve Young making any statements to the media. I think, by definition, a fit is some sort of public display. At least, that’s what makes a fit really bad. He can bitch and moan behind closed doors all he wants as long as nobody else gets wind. When it came to light, he didn’t throw a fit – he just didn’t say anything for 4 days and then he agreed to move. He bitched at JD a bit for the way JD handled it and I guess you coudl be mad at him for that.
Didn't Young do an interview with someone at the Star Telegram
during the whole fiasco?
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-The Outlaw
And that "rumor"
I’m going to need a lot more evidence for that.
Either way, facts are facts. 3 position changes for the club. 2 in the past. I don’t see how this one is classified as “unprecedented…MY agrees to move!”
Even Face's balls get dry now and again, dude.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
i wonder if MY being "not receptive" to the idea of moving to 3B
was a bit of an inaccurate description.
Being “not receptive” does not necessarily mean that he would never do it.
I’m not receptive to the fact that my wife spends too much money shopping, but it’s still something I tolerate.
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Reading the article
I’m trying to figure out what “not receptive” meant. To me, it seems like he didn’t give an answer right away and instead thought about it for a week.
And for that, Dan Z suggested to ultimatum his ass
I was making a comment on "receptive"
It was the first time I said it. There are others agreeing with me. We are talking. I understand what you think you are doing but you’re sucking at it.
Chill out.
for all we know "not receptive" could mean that he didn't pick up the phone when TR called him to ask about it
Go Rice Owls!
I'd buy the idea that he wasn't receptive at first,
and has now made a decision.
I’d pay even more for it, if a Beltre signing is announced quickly on the heels of this.
His last momentary show of defiance just to show the club that it isn't his first choice but clearly not enough of a stink...
to give any reason to believe he wouldn’t ultimately do what the front office thought was best for the club, maybe.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe. I think "defiance" could very well overstate it.
Hard to say.
Bottom line, for me: I wasn’t impressed by the reported lack of “receptivity,” but I am impressed by his quotes today. Well played, Mauer Face.
I'm actually a bigger fan of Elvis and CJ, but don't tell anyone.
And the Rangers, of course.
Que sera, sera.
Really?
You’re going with the story that he initially said no based on everything you’ve read so far?
you seem to be giving Young a lot of the benefit of the doubt despite not having much evidence to do so
Not receptive might mean that, but even you have to acknowledge that it could also mean that he wasn’t willing to move positions but changed his mind. It doesn’t help anyone for Young to agree to move positions and for there to still be a messy “I’m not going to move” story out there, so I find it hard to believe that someone leaked Young being “not receptive” if Young just wanted to take some time to think about the move.
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-The Outlaw
Did you read the article
There is very little room for the way you seem to think he was “not receptive”
i think that, given the quick turnaround by Young,
I’m leaning towards the belief that Young being “not receptive” just meant that he wasn’t excited about it.
“Not receptive” is not the same as “unwilling”, which would have been a more concise description of his reaction that would not leave much open to interpretation.
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And again
there was no “I’m not going to move story.” There was a “not receptive” story.
Your logic is circular. Not receptive must have meant unwilling because it doesn’t help anyone to put out an unwilling story unless he was unwilling.
It doesn't have to mean that way
But I don’t find it as easy to believe as you do that the “not receptive” story was leaked and put out there by TR if “not receptive” meant Young wanted some time to think about the decision.
We’ll see if/when Beltre signs. I wouldn’t doubt Young’s willingness to change positions came about because he was told that Beltre was going to be here next year instead of Beltre might be here next year.
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"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Anything that wasn't an immediate "You bet I'll move, not a problem"
could be perceived as not receptive. The fact is, there are no quotes in TR’s story/blurb, so it’s all speculation.
Que sera, sera.
Something strange is going on because TR
is the House Organ whose job it is to suck the dick of the FO in exchange for “inside information” they want the public to hear.
It’s odd that TR’s “story” came out and was immediately refuted by Face.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I don't know about that.
A, “I’m keeping an open mind, let’s keep talking about it, and give me some time to think it over,” wouldn’t have been out of line.
I think it was leaked...
purely to make Michael Young respond after perhaps telling the front office he’d rather not move.
Michael Young responded by saying the rights things that everyone wanted to hear.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think we had these Deportes reports saying we were close
Someone asked MY for a comment but he wasn’ tthere. Someone asked the Rangers people for a comment and someone said “not receptive” which meant that he hadn’t said yes.
I think the way he handled a position change last time is fresh on people's minds.
Which is why some people are ripping him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Remember the plane from Little Rock to Addison?
Just saying.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Michael Young.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Jan 3, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Moscoso. Gotta be.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
So now that's Lofton and Laird down the drain...
what a shitty GM we have.
by lost in space on Jan 3, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
We still got the other pitcher
From the Laird deal, right?
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Carlos Melo
I believe
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
Maybe we can trade him to the Mavs
for Butler, Beaubois and two #1s.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Don't want Beaubois.
Aren’t you worried that when he gets healthy, he’ll mess up the team chemistry?
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Jan 4, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions
Buyaieieaieiai
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Jan 4, 2011 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
Torp
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
got to be moscoso
Not likely to happen, but dreams are the foundation of baseball, so dream away. - JParks
I love seeing VT getting their asses handed to them by Stanford.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Jim Harbaugh might be the coolest coach in the NCAA
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He is awesome
The question now is whether or not he is going to Michigan or the NFL….
Also, am i the only one who hates Frank Beamer? Fuck Beamer ball
Josey Wales is stupid
NFL. I heard that he said that he doesn't like the way Michigan runs their program.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
He doesn't like that they lower their academic standards
for players and attempts to push them into easy degree programs. Like A&M’s Ag Leadership degree
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Ag Leadership & Development gets a really bad rap, because for the longest time A&M refused to offer a general studies degree
Thus, the athletes got pushed into the most elective-heavy degree plan at the school. And while it’s true that you can take a whole bunch of easy electives in ALED if you want, it can also be a really, really good degree.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was just guessing since half the football is in that
degree program that it must be a joke. I had no clue, but I was pretty sure most football players have no desire to be Ag leaders.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I hate A&M (obviously)
But his above argument is silly. Practically every school does that, although there are a few exemptions, but they certainly arent the rule. Furthermore, if those players at a school like A&M want to get a good degree and take rigorous courses…that option is readily available
Josey Wales is stupid
Yeah, it's certainly a common practice at major football schools, it's just always been bothersome to me that it made A&M's College of Agriculture look like an academic joke
As a College of Ag grad, I took that a little personally. And FWIW, I wasn’t an Ag Leadership grad.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agribusiness
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
my sister is about to graduate with same degree
she’s already got several really good job oppurtunities, its not a worthless degree and can be a really nice one to have to lead into several different fields.
Got Nothing... someone give me a good one
Beamer's success is hard to argue with, but yeah, I've never enjoyed watching his teams play
I think it’s their defensive style. They’re a defense/special teams-based program but that 4-2-5 is not nearly as entertaining to watch as other classic defenses, like say the Slocum/Davie 3-4.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
The other reason he annoys me is that so much of his success is because he absolutely owns the ACC. I think the other coaches and teams in the ACC are scared of him…
And the whole Beamer ball thing from commentators is stupid
Josey Wales is stupid
Agreed on both counts
I don’t even get the point of the “Beamer Ball” moniker. Oh, defense and special teams is important, what a novel idea! I guess the media just loves alliteration.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heh
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Guarantee Stanford's collective team GPA is a solid point higher than VT
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Nolan Ryan Did this
Not JD.
Get ready for it….
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 3, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
Already been done said
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Honestly
I dont give a shit who did it as long as it all goes down with a net positive result for the rangers
Josey Wales is stupid
You will tomorrow when he farts up
a morning thread.
I agree with you. Just stating the obvious.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
He's already farted up a damn thread.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Thought a fellow red raider would be more supportive.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
We try not to claim him.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
what i'd like to see (if Beltre does sign)
C Torrealba 110, Treanor 52
1B Moreland 100, Young 62
2B Kinsler 155, Young 7
SS Andrus 155, Young 7
3B Beltre 155, Young 7
LF Murphy 90, Hamilton 15, RH OF 57
CF Hamilton 110, Borbon 52
RF Cruz 155, RH OF 7
DH Young 75, Hamilton 25, RH OF 62
I sure wish Vlad could still play the OF and fill that RH OF role.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
over Borbon?
yes, please
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Considering
the team is probably better with Murphy in the lineup instead of Borbon, I don’t think that’s all that odd.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
It is if you want to keep Josh off the right center field wall
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Because the LF wall is better padded?
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
by DJCahill on Jan 3, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Every time he's got hurt
It’s been from running full speed into the RCF wall
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Only because he plays CF so often
and he only really plays CF so often because Borbon is a liability in the lineup most of the time. Borbon is going to have to stop sucking so much offensively to get more playing time.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
this
I’m all for going out and getting a CF and pushing Hamilton to LF/DH full-time.
Borbon isn’t going to cut it.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Yes Borbon will cut it
Sorry we aren’t the Yankees and can have silver sluggers and All-Stars at every position with all 9 guys hitting 20+ homeruns. Borbon, as the CF and #9 hitter, is just fine for the marathon that is the regular season. Get us to the playoffs and then you can run Hamilton out there and put your best team on the field in a 5 or 7 game series
i think the Murphy over Borbon upgrade offensively
is enough of an upgrade to offset any potential increased risk of Hamilton getting hurt from playing CF as opposed to LF.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Clearly not that devastating
1.3 WAR last season despite a .290 wOBA
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
if Hamilton gets hurt we lose his bat
Thats where his value to us lies. His defense is great but his bat in our lineup is what we need. Borbon keeping Hamilton out of CF is tremendous for the team. Borbon plays good defense in CF and hes our #9 hitter so whatever he gives us on offense is gravy anyway. Last year from the time he was moved to the 9 hole he hit .290 with a .320 OBP. Does he have room to improve…absolutely. But last year was also his rookie season.
just like we run guys like Tommy Hunter out there every 5th day during the regular season instead of going with CJ and Colby on short rest. Those guys are better than Hunter but pitching on 3 days rest all season risks losing you to injury and then the team is fucked. Once we get to the playoffs then we can go with our absolute best squad but for the 162 game regular season Borbon in CF is a no brainer to me
Isn't this when you roll out the "Judy's batting average
was .290 after he was moved to the 9 hole bullshit?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Judy monthly OBPs...
April – .214
May – .288
July – .269
August – .296
And you wanna play that stupid sonofabitch 150 games in CF next year.
Genius.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
but why have it if you don't have to.
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
If we had another option to play CF better than Borbon that wasn't Hamilton then fine lets analyze that
But if the question is Borbon or Hamilton as the everyday CF then my answer is Borbon. Keeping Josh healthy and his bat in the lineup is the top priority for the Rangers IMO. He can singlehandedly win ballgames with his bat. Borbon plays good Cf defense and provides league average production for his lineup spot so I don’t see why we should be risking Hamilton out there
Borbon plays such good defense
that our coaching staff rarely let him play defense in 2009 and when we played Tampa, they were so impressed with his CF defense that they moved him to LF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I think if the wall is high tech padded..
he protects his ribs with pads that worked so well for him and he DH’s plenty to keep his knees healthy you have a whole different set of cricumstances. Borbon is terrible with the bat, and can’t steal bases very well. What’s the point of having speed if David Murphy is schooling you on stealing bases?
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
You do realize Borbon was a rookie last year right?
And his numbers after getting moved from leadoff were pretty close to league average for CF minus a little bit of power.
Let the kid develop some more and since hes not killing you from the 9 hole then why risk losing your MVP? It doesn’t matter how much padding the install hamilton seems like he has a nose for finding injury in CF. And unless they install this high tech padding all across the league then you are either going to have to run Borbon out there 81 times for road games or risk hamilton
This is not true.
There’s a lot more opportunity to build up speed and cause more damage against the center field wall.
And beyond that, Josh was dealing with serious knee problems before sitting out all of September. CF means a lot more running and wear and tear on the knees.
I don't see it
without moving him to 1B or something. He is just gonna be a max effort guy with a fragile body. He is just gonna get hurt, and other than give up on his OF defense, you probably just have to live with it.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I think you can teach him to be smarter about the balls he goes into the wall for,
but I think that moving him out of center doesn’t do much outside of hurting the team defensively.
i'm all for that, and I'm aware of the risk
but Borbon cannot be an everyday player at this point.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
He has missed significant time the last two years because of injuries he sustained while running into CF walls, he is too aggresive in CF
It is his natural ability coming back to bite him in the ass….
No, Hamilton in CF means you lose Hamilton to injuries each year, I am done with that.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's not ideal
but they won their division and Hamilton won the MVP this year while missing a month. I’d say it’s pretty obvious that even a CF-induced injury to Hamilton isn’t season-killing to the team.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Did you forget the playoffs?
He was injured leading directly into the playoffs (he played like one or two games at the end of the year, DH’ed one of them), was not good in the ALDS, good in the ALCS, and not good in the WS. I think it is obvious he wasn’t 100%, he was having to wear a flack jacket to protect his broken ribs….
I want to avoid that if at all possible in the future.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
and the team still made the World Series shockingly
even if Hamilton was kicking ass in the WS, they weren’t going to win that series without others stepping up as well.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Simple
It isnt worth the risk to have him play CF full time, or even the majority of the time.
It is an unnecessary risk, Borbon has the same range. If it is an issue of arms, you need to find a new CF, not Hamilton.
His bat is the supreme value to the team, not his defense. The defense is just a super added bonus. I would rather keep the bat and have him healthy for a full season, which he has yet to do as a professional.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Then it is probably worth
looking for another OF and moving Josh to 1B.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
no, it's an issue of Borbon sucking offensively
and me not wanting to watch him slap weak popups to the infield all year long.
He may run like Hayes, but he hits like shit.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
It would also be nice
if he had any baseball instincts at all, especially on the basepaths.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
He just doesn't know
where to throw the ball half the time.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Nah, I watch the games
you oughta try it.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Hey mullet, Old School Brutha
even made it a point to say Judy needed to improve his “decision-making ability.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I love this line of thought from you
On one hand you say that Wash is an idiot and every move he makes is stupid. Then on the other, you use the decisions Wash makes to back up your stupidity
Classic
Josey Wales is stupid
When you get called out for your
lack of intelligence by Ron Washington, you have problems.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Ron Washington has more than enough baseball intelligence to call out one of his players
you dumb piece of shit
"Obviously you're not a golfer" -- His Dudeness
Not really...he had Sammy Sosa
in the line-up hitting 4th or 5th most of the time we went against RH pitching in 2007.
Something like a .670 OPS in 315 plate appearances.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Oooooooh I love this one isolated sample of evidence.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
So again
On one hand you say he is an idiot who has no clue what he is doing and he usually does the wrong thing.
Then you claim he is right on the other
My God you are epic level of worthless
Cant you drive off a cliff already
Josey Wales is stupid
Being called stupid by Ron Washington
is like being told by Hillary Clinton that you’re ball-busting bitch with fat thighs that doesn’t know how to please her husband in bed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Jan 4, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta say
Your lack of respect for Washington’s intelligence is the one thing I’ve always agreed with you on. Continue on.
Didn't Judy have sub .300 OBPs
in at least 3 months last season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Actually, it was 4 months at .296 or below.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I missed this meme
Who the fuck is Judy?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I know it's too much to ask for something coming from Josey
But what’s the reasoning behind it?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
a punch and judy hitter, is a very weak singles hitter
an old baseball term.
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
Oh...
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
thanks
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
you're welcome, if the googles fit :)
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
Spanish Beltre thread missed you last night
by lost in space on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
it was standing room only in that mofo
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
Dude it was epic
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
One of my favorite threads, ever.
I stayed up way too late in that thread.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I stayed up till 4, woke up to only 26 new comments.
I woke up at 8 too
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
The best thread I've ever been a part of.
I’m proud and ashamed all at the same time.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
LSB-Be proud and ashamed about what happens here.
But mostly proud.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I'd need crystal meth to partake in that...
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
I dunno I haven't seen Mike E around lately
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
or maybe he got sucked up in the vortex as he entered
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
I'm sure he did Josey, or you wouldn't have brought it up.
At the same time, do you think there is no chance for him to improve in what will be his second full big league season?
by michael bluth on Jan 3, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
In case you don't want to look it up yourself
AL #9 hitters last year
.238/ .295/ .344
Julio Borbon
.276/ .309/ .340
Julio Borbon after the debacle of him batting leadoff (April 20th to the end of the season)
.294/ .326/ ..363
Comparing hitters
to other hitters by batting order is just plain silly.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I'll let someone else explain it to you
I’m out of crayons and BigChief tablets, so I’m really not armed with the tools necessary for a bigsteve discussion™
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Because batting orders have minimum impact,
and the relative offensive value of a player is largely based on his position in the field, not his position in the lineup.
What if he is just fucked in the head
and batting lead off scares the shit out of him?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
That would be strange,
especially since he’s only guaranteed to hit lead-off once every game, and there’s a decent chance he’d lead off at least one inning out of 9 in each game, anyhow.
And even then, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to compare his stats in the 9-hole to other batters who hit in that spot.
Some people have mental blocks
but I see what you are saying. I was just being extreme
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Ok lets look at CF then
AL CF in 2010
.262/ .322/ .403
Again Borbons numbers after gettign moved out of the leadoff spot
.294/.326/ .363
relying on a rookie to bat leadoff from Opening Day on was a terrible decision by management. I understand why we chose Borbon over Elvis from day 1 given how each performed in 2009. But it was obvious Borbon was not comfortable battign at the top of the order. I don’t know why, nobody seems to but once he was moved he ended up putting up a decent season. Sure he had hot and cold streaks but everybody does. His value lies in keeping Hamilton out of CF which in turn keeps Hamilton healthy and his MVP bat in our lineup.
He wasn't all that comfortable hitting
in the 9 hole either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
So Borbon was well below the AL CF mean,
right? I mean, he’s giving up 40 points of slugging, and is practically a wash in OBP.
And that’s not park adjusted.
The numbers you posted (.294/.326/.363) puts him in the 90-94 wRC+ range, which would have been somewhere in the range of 13th among AL CFs with at least 100 PA.
And hes hitting 9th and keeping our MVP out of a spot he seems to have a knack for getting injured in
I seriously don’t understand all the Borbon hate and why people want to see Hamilton out in CF so much.
If we had a different option i would be all for discussing it but right now in my eyes its either Borbon or Gentry. Hamilton isn’t even in the discussion.
Once we get to the postseason its a whole different story. At that point you put your best team on the field for that given series. If that means Borbon sits his ass on the bench thats fine. But for the 162 game regular season I don’t see any reason Hamilton should step foot out there any more than absolutely necessary
You said you want Judy in CF for
150 games next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
None of this addresses the point.
I don’t hate Borbon.
But first, you asked why, “comparing hitters to other hitters by batting order is just plain silly,” and I answered, and then you posted Borbon’s stats relative to other AL CF, even after he stopped batting leadoff, and I observed that they still weren’t especially good in comparison.
They may not have been especially good
But they weren’t horrible either
He had an above average BA, similar OBP, and below average power numbers.
when you factor in he’s doing that out of the 9 hole, along with playing good defense at a critical position, and he keeps our MVP out of a hazardous position for him I can’t think why people would want Hamilton out there full time.
And I can understand not comparing lineup spots for most of the lineup. But the bottom part of the lineup I do think it has merit. You aren’t going to put one of your best hitters in the 8 or 9 hole which may skew the numbers. You generally put a player in that spot because he’s your worst overall offensive player so comparing the Rangers worst offensive player to the rest of the ALs I think does apply to a certain extent.
Yes. Yes he does.
And that’s the reason he’s probably worth 1.0-1.5 WAR even in a season like 2010. But that puts him in the bottom 5 CF in MLB.
I still dont understand
Why is it impossible for Borbon to ever improve
I get it, i dont think he will ever be great
But i think he will always be a good defensive CFer which has a fair amount of value, and i think his bat has a chance of being at least solid.
I just dont understand why a certain crowd thinks there is 0% chance that he improves
wRC+ 81
wRC+ 76
One is treated like a God here and people talk about how much he will improve and he was even recently discussed as a possible Future HOFer…the other is apparantly the worst baseball player of all time
It makes no sense at all. Hell the 1st player has even played more at the MLB level
Josey Wales is stupid
You'd have to take those points up
with people who’d argue them.
I’ve never said I don’t think Borbon is capable of improving, and after my recent piece on BBTiA, I think it’s clear where I stand on Andrus.
No worries.
Really, I’ve just pointed out that:
(1) Comparing Borbon to other 9-hole hitters doesn’t make a ton of sense; &
(2) Comparing Borbon’s season last year to other AL CF shows why he has a lot of improving to do; &
(3) I don’t think Borbon’s going to be as good as Franklin Gutierrez.
I would ultimately agree on all of those
Although the only issue that i have is that i think his defense can make him a very good player if he can improve just a little with his bat, which i think is very possible
Josey Wales is stupid
I'm somewhat skeptical
of his defense being good enough to make him a very good player if he only improves slightly at the plate.
My guess is that he’ll peak at good, without the qualifier. My hope is he’ll outstrip that. My fear is he’s reached a plateau.
I think that is a legitimate possibility
and it is completely fair to say. I just tend to think/hope that the improvements will be made. At least you can back it up with some logic behind your thoughts
Josey Wales is stupid
My guess is he peaks
at a usable player, as long as he is cheap, but he may be the 4th OF/platoon CF just due to the relatively strong OF competition the next couple years.
Then we wait and hope and pray for Beltre to get some polish.
Obviously, I think there is more “coaching up” you can do to a 19 YO LA FA, then a 24 yo ex-College ballplayer.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I think what people are missing is how
Murphy plays into the argument.
Murphy, and not Borbon’s play alone, is why you want to sit Borbon
Yep.
Murphy is a pretty strong player, and gets unfairly typecast as a 4th OF. I have no idea why.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Even with the split
his overall numbers stack up well to average COFs.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I would actually argue another side of that
Murphy cant play CF, at all, and i dont want Josh in CF for more than 100 games, so Borbon is very important
But the fact that Murphy is very good has to be taken into account.
If only he was RHed though…
Josey Wales is stupid
And not goofy looking as a MFer.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Arent you obligated to like Murphy?
Just like im obligated to like Teagarden (even though i hate him for being terrible)
Josey Wales is stupid
I think Borbon could be trade bait.
It’d be a huge help if he puts up a 105-110 wRC+ and a 2.5-3.5 WAR next season…
Tough to see it
I just don’t think he is gonna win enough PT to put up 2.5-3.5 WAR. I’d like to believe he can have a more productive year next year than Vlad or MY, but I just really doubt it.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Thank you
that is a fair, logical approach and certainly possible
I think he will be slightly better than that, but not by a ton. More importantly, your outlook is certainly very possible for him
Now if i can just get you stop the Judy shit….
Josey Wales is stupid
I would be pretty happy if Borbon just approached Gutierrez's ~7%BB
He’s probably never going to match Gutierrez’s ISO number from 2009, and there’s not much debate about arm strength/accuracy (although Gutierrez hardly has a cannon). On the other hand, his hit tool should allow him to put up higher averages than FGut.
Gutierrez doesn’t really make sense as a comp or as a projection.
I don't argue
that he won’t improve. I just see no reason to say he is the starter and Murphy is on the Bench, because it is also still possible for Murphy to improve.
Most likely, you’ll see them running in a rotation, and getting them all playing time, because that’s what Wash does, and then performance will dictate who plays more. I am absolutely fine with that. If that means Borbon plays 50 or 150 games, that is fine by me, but I suspect his games played will be closer to the middle of those 2 numbers.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Thats fine
I just think it is beyond stupid and ignorant to completely ignore Borbons D, which you do, and to completely ignore the fact that he could improve, which you do
Also, you use the Judy meme which is the single dumbest thing on this site
Josey Wales is stupid
No,
I don’t. I factor those things in, and yet, still, the team looks better with Murphy instead of Borbon, and apparently the Rangers agreed with me towards the end of last year.
We will see what happens this year.
I thought the single dumbest thing on this site was you insisting that the Longhorns couldn’t have a losing record this year. That was awfully retarded, but in line with most of your posts.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
That's your mouthpiece over in the 3rd row, horns.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I was very fucking wrong indeed
To be fair to me, i dont think a single person in the world thought theyd have a losing record.
It is still retarded though to think that Borbon has no value and cant improve
It is Josey Wales level retarded, which is why he thinks it is accurate
Josey Wales is stupid
and I believe
he called them retarded too.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Last year, yes.
I don’t know who all the LSB commentariat comprises — maybe you and Jamey can get together and draw up a list for me? — but the big differences are that Gutierrez has put up a couple 300+ PA seasons with 105-100 wRC+, and his defense is more highly touted than Borbon’s.
Take it easy, slugger.
Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers. I’ve been in enough GDTs to know that many on this blog think of Gutierrez as god-like, despite pedestrian offensive numbers over the course of his career. I’d think those same folks would be happy with “Guti”-lite. But, by God, we’ve got entrenched opinions to protect, right?
Just a joke.
And T Rex’s don’t have feathers.
I think you know I’m not as high on Gutierrez as some. I’m also not as down on Borbon as some.
But: Gutierrez has better defensive talent to fall back on than Borbon, and has also had a couple decent offensive seasons. Borbon has yet to prove that he can maintain a 100+ wRC+ over a full season, and until he does…
You sure about that feather thing?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
I mean, sure, ancestors of birds & all,
but:
t has also been proposed that Tyrannosaurus and other closely related tyrannosaurids had such protofeathers. However, skin impressions from large tyrannosaurid specimens show mosaic scales. While it is possible that protofeathers existed on parts of the body which have not been preserved, a lack of insulatory body covering is consistent with modern multi-ton mammals such as elephants, hippopotamus, and most species of rhinoceros. As an object increases in size, its ability to retain heat increases due to its decreasing surface area-to-volume ratio. Therefore, as large animals evolve in or disperse into warm climates, a coat of fur or feathers loses its selective advantage for thermal insulation and can instead become a disadvantage, as the insulation traps excess heat inside the body, possibly overheating the animal. Protofeathers may also have been secondarily lost during the evolution of large tyrannosaurids like Tyrannosaurus, especially in warm Cretaceous climates.
I use it more generically.
Professional class of news media = punditocracy; since there aren’t any news outlets who just hire good reporters and do news reporting anymore.
Fair enough.
But the guy has, what, 700PAs at the big-league level? Is that it? Is his leash that short?
hehehe
5 yard penalty for inappropriate usage of a big word.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Borbon?
647 PA. And no, I don’t think his leash is that short. I just don’t buy the Gutierrez comp, yet.
he's basically Juan Pierre
if Juan Pierre sucked at stealing bases.
Useless.
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Heres another fact
Despite the fact that you and a couple other people who refuse to look at any facts regarding this will ignore
Borbon managed 1.3 WAR in his rookie season…he wasnt great, but he also wasnt worthless, or even terrible
Josey Wales is stupid
Judy was terrible for most of last year
and was quite often worthless.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Like you...except youre always worthless
On topic though….great defense is worthless?
Josey Wales is stupid
If you throw like Ruth Ryan and don't know
which base to throw to, you’re not capable of playing “great defense.”
If Judy Borbon played “great defense” in CF, why did the coaches put him in LF when we played Tampa?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
bigsteve math™
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"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
David Murphy would be a better #9 hitter
in my opinion
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Hell, bat Josh back there for a bit and really fuck up the numbers.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
So you think he's all of a sudden less aggressive in left or right field and won't run into any walls there?
If there is any argument to be made to keep Hamilton out of center field, it would be that he has to cover less ground in the corner OF spots and it’’s probably easier on his knees.
by michael bluth on Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
That
And his natural ability lets him get to all possible balls, and he doesnt have to push it.
I know this is a weird statement that couldn’t be proven, its just based on my observation.
Any player can be injured playing any position, including DH. But, we have two years and two serious injuries playing Center, I dont want him there anymore.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't necessarily want him in center either.
But more because I think it will help alleviate the strain and fatigue that playing center puts on his knees/legs by having to cover more ground. I think he’s just as likely to be injured running into a wall in left or right field as he is in center.
by michael bluth on Jan 3, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
This.
We’ve now seen Josh get hurt badly twice (re-injuring himself once on top of that IIRC) playing CF. We know his defensive style has him going 110% at every chance and that playing CF is only going to give him more of a running start before he runs into walls. Why would you want him playing there in the regular season?
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I know Borbon will have a good season in 2011
At least repeating his 2010 in being a positive for the Rangers. But I really, really want to see Borbon do great in 2011 if only to never have to hear you and Josey bitch about Borbon at every single opportunity.
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His post is just another in the long line of
I know Jason Botts will have a good season ….
I know Joaquin Arias will have a good season …
I know Brandon Boggs will have a good season ….
I know Chris Davis will have a good season …
I know Jarrod Saltalamacchia will have a good Season…
Seen the equivalent of his post plenty of times the last decade. I hope he is right, but most likely it is meaningless puffery.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Seems like it's been Gdawg many times
It’s been me many times as well but I don’t just hope for things that have little chance of occurring anymore.
The reality is
that Borbon’s defense makes him worth playing in CF even if the bat is going to be crap. He’s not the best CF in baseball or anything like that, but given the options available, he’s the best option we have for around 120 games or so if he’s going to simply reproduce his less than stellar numbers from last season.
My hope is that Borbon starts hitting and running the bases more like he did in the minors or his first stint in the Majors in 09. Its funny how some are just making that out to be impossible even though he’ll be just 25 next season and will be entering his 2nd full year in the Majors. I’m not betting on Borbon becoming Rickey Henderson or anything like that, but I’m willing to give him another chance being confident that he provides the team with good CF defense and has the talent to be a better offensive player than he was last season.
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So many people in LSB make the same argument
for Borbon that they made for Chris Davis….“his defense”
Borbon has one defensive skill…speed but he still takes fucked up routes to balls, doesn’t know what to do with the ball when he gets it and Ruth Ryan has a better arm.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
If you think CF defense and 1B defense is the same
then bless your heart.
And of course the same “fucked up routes” argument that was used with Nelson Cruz. Just as stupid with Borbon as it was with Cruz.
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I'm not saying the positions are the same, dumbass.
What’s identical is the arguments used to keep both of them in the line-up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Got it
Positions aren’t the same, but the arguments are the same because everyone knows that a good defensive 1B is worth just as much as a good defensive CF.
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The argument (defensive ability) for keeping them in the line-up is the same.
Read it again, dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Except that it's not the same at all.
Because a good defensive center fielder has much, much more value than a good defensive first baseman, and thus you would be willing to sacrifice more offense from the centerfielder than you would be from 1st base. Do you disagree with this?
by michael bluth on Jan 3, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
You just accused me of being racist.
Go fuck yourself.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Honestly, from what I've seen you post
you are slightly racist.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Hey dumbass, isn't "slightly racist" like being
“slightly pregnant” ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Were they close to a first down
and I gave it to them or do we need to replay the down?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
I understand this is difficult for you
You’re just not very baseball smart so its hard for you to understand things that is considered common knowledge around these parts. Stick around, you’ll get it eventually.
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the offense
i think there are many more reasons to think his offense stagnates or takes a step backwards than progresses. 25 with an offense based on contact is not a great attribute
No, its not a great attribute
but its not out of the question for a player to have speed and contact as their main offensive output and still be able to be a net positive for the team. Juan Pierre made his entire career out of that.
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You forgot about gdawg also calling Matt Harrison a "great pitcher."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
This is all from me saying
that I thought Harrison had some pretty great stuff and I was optimistic that he would take the next step in his development before his injury in 09. Of course, Josey also told everyone to get the hell out of the way because he was going to drive the Matt Harrison bandwagon in 2009.
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for some reason this randomly makes me think
of the article one of the beatwriters wrote a few years ago projecting the future rotation and they had Kason Gabbard as the ace.
I liked Gabbard well enough (though the significance of K:BB hadn’t fully dawned on me at the time…), but… yeah…
Good points
Davis might be the best comparison since we all know what he was able to do before 2009 and the hope that he could fix his problems a bit for 2010.
But otherwise, we have 647 PAs from Borbon in the Majors and 1255.2 innings in the outfield. The result so far, from this 24 year old who finished his rookie season last year, a .311 wOBA and a 7.5 UZR (8 DRS). That’s good for being worth 2 wins in that time. But yeah, its completely valid to say Borbon fits right in with guys like Arias, Botts, Salty, Boggs, and all those guys who have, to date, been unable to play a full season and be above replacement level (outside of Salty, they never even came close to a full season).
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-0.1 WAR last year, due to his dWAR
according to B-R. It all comes down to whose defensive metrics you believe, since Borbon has no offensive value. Personally, I’m not sure I buy off on UZR yet, or any defensive metric.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Got it,
So DRS and UZR don’t matter, but total zone fits your opinion that Borbon was shit in every possible way so we’ll go with that.
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DRS and UZR
often disagree with each other. I don’t see a lot of reason to treat them as gospel.
Considering the only real value Borbon has is his reputed glove ability, I think it’s silly for folks to get down on the Rangers for playing the OF with much more obvious abilities.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
When do they often disagree with each other?
I’ve seen TZ have completely different results for players than what DRS, UZR, and the good ol’ fashioned eye test say.
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This year alone?
Rickie Weeks, Freddy Sanchez, Stephen Drew, Jason Bartlett, Scott Rolen,
The list goes on and on of guys ranked good by either DRS or UZR, and bad by the other, or mediocre by one, and great by the other.
Quite simply, there isn’t much data reliability to defensive stats, and the folks who treat them as gospel are a little misguided. Same with the folks who overrate WARs that are driven primarily by unreliable defensive stats.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
...
As far as defensive metrics are concerned, I’m much more in favor of DRS and UZR and especially at looking at both of them together to get an idea. Since DRS incorporates human input, I’m probably more willing to give it a bit more weight than UZR. If you want to throw total zone in there, that’s fine too though I’m not as big a fan of its methodology as the other two (I know you thought Young has essentially been neutral defensively over the past 3 seasons).
Now if you don’t want to use any of that, then fine. I guess we’ll just have to go by the Cahill scouting system to get an idea of what a player was worth defensively.
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Agree
DRS and UZR usually do agree….TZ spits out some random shit sometimes
TZ thinks Hamilton sucked last year….what?
Josey Wales is stupid
Just saying, DRS and UZR
agree more often because they’re based on similar (and biased) data. The fact that they agree doesn’t make them more accurate. They could just be similarly inaccurate.
DRS and UZR
actually disagree fairly frequently. At any given position, amongst qualified players you will usually see 2-3 players who one will call roughly average, and the other will put amongst the leaders. The correlation between the 2 ain’t that great.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Do you have any studies to point to for that?
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You are approaching
bigsteve levels. Look it up yourself.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Bigsteve levels, really?
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I love how this is where Dan crosses the line.
by LiamP on Jan 4, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see how asking if he's got any studies or anything
to support his claim that they don’t have a good enough correlation.
Its not even like he’s crossing the line, I just don’t get how that is anything related at all to the type of things we all bag on bigsteve for. Its like getting your tits caught in wire.
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I'm not saying they always agree or anything.
Just that they correlate to each other far more than they correlate with TZ, which can lead to the perception that they’re more accurate.
My opinion is they’re all pretty heavily flawed, but since I can’t watch every single play (and even if I could, I couldn’t analyze it all and account for ballparks, etc) they’re the best thing to go with. I just don’t put great stock into it.
Thats fair
But i also still see weird shit from TZ that doesnt agree with either, and it doesnt pass the eyeball test….
Also, the may get the data from similar locations, but it is used differently
Josey Wales is stupid
Yeah, they are used very differently.
UZR uses a 3-year baseline for one, where DRS goes year-to-year.
DRS separates it into smaller zones.
UZR has small adjustments based on batter handedness, pitcher batted ball profile, etc.
The way they adjust for ballparks is pretty different.
UZR accounts for all base/out states, where DRS just does double play for MIF and holding runner for 1B (I think that’s all they do, at least).
They are based on the same BIS batted ball data, though, which means if the data they’re putting in is biased (and there’s some indication that it is), they’re all pretty flawed.
Yep
Well said, i cant really add anything to that
Although i hadnt heard anything about problems with the BIS data
Josey Wales is stupid
Well, the sample size for Borbon's UZR last year...
is no where near a great enough sample size to determine his defensive value.
I’m pretty sure that applies to most defensive metrics, though. Don’t know why people like to use them in small samples.
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Because
it is the only way to justify Borbon.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
UZR also doesn't cover the Ruth Ryan arm,
constantly throwing to the wrong base or turning around too soon on a ball you think that will go high off a wall that actually goes low off a wall.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
UZR covers an outfielders arm.
Ultimate Zone Rating in Runs Above Average (Arm+DPR+RngR+ErrR)
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I might have to revise what I said above
Josey doesn’t just lack baseball intelligence, but apparently lacks any kind of intelligence.
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"constantly"
This isn’t exaggerating or anything.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
He did it all season...constantly.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Provide three specific examples.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
You know he has these written down by his computer right
He writes down 5 plays in great detail about every Ranger player and has this list right next to his computer ready to spout it off whenever he has a spare second.
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"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Then it should be easy to prove his statements.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I know he did it the Friday night of the
Minnesota game in September and he also did it twice during the Tampa games in August (that’s why he was in LF in the playoffs).
He also dropped cans of corn v Oakland in September (9th inning, when we’re trying to clinch the AL West) and v Boston in August.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
In Baltimore this past August, Judy was special.
Judy didn’t run to 1B on a called 3rd strike that went thru the catcher and to the backstop.
Judy also was thrown out attempting to steal 2B because he quit running when he thought the hitter had fouled off the ball.
Judy was also picked off.
Wonderful series for this idiot.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
The hell would MY play 62 games in the OF?
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
i thought about that
i’m sure Blanco will get plenty of playing time when Kinsler gets hurt though, so I left him off intentionally.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
ridiculous
Who instead of Young? Young was a 2 1/2 win player at 3B last year even with terrible defense. What utility sub 2B is going to produce like that while you keep Young at DH?
Stupid.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
I would play Young at 2B, Murphy DH vs. RHP
Blanco at 2B and MY at DH vs. LHP when Ian goes down.
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Blanco.
We’re not running Young out there to play in the middle infield. 2B is a much more important defensive position than 3B.
Young is still the better bat.
Which is what t-ball is saying. I really doubt Blanco would close the gap in WAR with if they were both in the field.
2010 Texas Rangers: Going where no Rangers team has ever gone
so Blanco can DH?
I’m sure Young could play some there, but Blanco filled in just fine for Kinsler this past season.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
again
why are we trying to find a way to put Borbon into the lineup every day?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Because he plays good defense and he keeps our MVP from a position that seems to make him break rather easily
Im not advocating playing Borbon over Murphy in the playoffs but during the regular season its what needs to be done
Reverse Hamilton and Borbon's games in CF and we have a winner
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Well...
…you damn sure better reverse Murphy and Hamilton then!
Hamilton is good enough to do both.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Fuck no
Way too many games for Young…especially at 1B
Also, Fuck MY playing SS
Josey Wales is stupid
i don't think Young is down with being a full-time DH
if Young can be passable at 1B defensively, he could be a good platoon partner with Moreland.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
that is still too many games to me
I said up above…about 50 games is what i want from Young in the field…maybe 70ish
Josey Wales is stupid
Do you mean an actual platoon partner or someone who will split some time with Moreland?
Because Moreland is not the type of player who needs to be sitting regularly against lefties or righties.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Also zero chance Kinsler plays 155 games
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
He did say that that's what he would like to see...
I would too but not gonna happen
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot the 20 games that Blanco will play at Catcher
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
MY = Craig Biggio without the defense
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Ugh no Hamilton in CF if possible
Borbon for 150 games in CF and hitting 9th will not affect our playoff chances. Once we get to the playoffs then we can re-assess and if Borbon is left off the postseason roster so be it but I do not want Hamilton in CF more than a handful of times during the regular season
Borbon in CF for 150 games would make me cut myself
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
oh god no I can't take that..
They’re going to pad that outfield wall better,. They’d be silly not to and I’m pretty sure I heard some mention of that. Also I bet Josh keeps on wearing those pads he wore during the play offs which helped tremendously to protect his fragile ribs. There are things that can be done, as well as giving Josh more breaks at DH to rest his knees. There are ways around it. There aren’t ways around Judy sucking offensively.
“Those pads helped tremendously,” Hamilton said, placing his left hand over the ribs he cracked famously crashing into a wall more than a month ago. "I came all the way up on the base and I didn’t feel anything."
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
RELEASE THE HOSTAGE!
I love Swordfish, all time top 10 for me.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
VERIFY IT!
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, if I buy a dozen I get a discount.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not everything ends the way you think it does....
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jan 3, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
My brain just melted out my ear.
Defending Big D - Dallas Stars news & analysis
Blogging The Boys - Dallas Cowboys, all the time.... since 2005
by Brandon Worley on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Phantom Menace >>>> Empire
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Defending Big D - Dallas Stars news & analysis
Blogging The Boys - Dallas Cowboys, all the time.... since 2005
by Brandon Worley on Jan 3, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Not enough OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
haha
Kevin_Goldstein Alex Rodriguez was still a pretty good SS when he deferred to Jeter; Michael Young on the other hand, is a lawn ornament at third.
by Judy'sLewinsky on Jan 3, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Young put up a 2.4 WAR last year at 3rd
in spite of not being good at defense.
It would be difficult to just find anyone off the street to fill that role as well as he did. Beltre presents an option, but there aren’t necessarily an others available who’d be better than Young at 3rd.
Go Rice Owls!
WAR takes defense into account?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
That doesn't mean Young's defense isn't very bad.
And it’s directly relevant to Young’s openness (or lack thereof) to moving for Beltre.
Statues are more expensive.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Opulence.....
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Jan 3, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
mus suck to be an angels fan lately haha
tomcoach966 God god i forgot we are paying Justin Speier 5.25 this year
you all hate me??? news flash: i don't care
And this is way 3-year contracts for middle relievers blow
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
It sure seems like it didn't take Young very long to change...
his mind about changing positions this time. I can’t help but wonder if he secretly wants off 3rd base but has to act like he wants to stay there as long as the Rangers don’t find a replacement.
If you were wondering about the Beltre negotiations, this is from TR's piece on TexasRangers.com
The Rangers have been engaged in contract discussions with Scott Boras, Beltre’s agent, since the Winter Meetings. No agreement has been reached, but general manager Jon Daniels and Boras resumed serious negotiations Monday night with the goal of wrapping up an agreement.
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions
This is a turn from TR's unequivocal "Young will start at 3rd on Opening Day" stance this weekend
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TR Sullivan being wrong?
Couldn’t be
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Done.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I bet we will have a nice Morning wake up with this news...
I love morning sex….
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
OT
Anybody else a HUGE Frasier fan? I have seen every episode, twice.
That and Voyager…
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions
I think it was the last successful spin-off sitcom
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I liked the first couple years
but like most David Kelley shows, it pretty much jumps the shark by season 2.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
It would suck being a writer on a sitcom
There is only so many things you can write about that would remotely follow a script that makes sense.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
It won 5 emmys (for whatever they're worth)
Although Frasier won over 30
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I can't think of any spin-off sitcoms...
surely there has to be one better than Frasier in the past 10 years.
by lost in space on Jan 3, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
surely you must be jesting
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Make that 7 years since it ended in 04
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
My parents watch that show obsessively.
From what did it spin off?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
JAG
They introduced them in an episode before the pilot aired.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And JAG brought the world the incredible Catherine Bell.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Mmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Star Star is a mind blowing song.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
How did that not get a PA label?
Not that it bothered me, but I find it funny cause it was totally unexpected.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Because I fucking can (and should)
Josey Wales is stupid
by Horns130 on Jan 4, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You absolutely should.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
And do more postings of epicness.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
What are some of the other successful spin-off sitcoms
besides The Jeffersons and The Simpsons?
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Laverne and Shirley
The Jeffersons are a couple of biggies
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
More importantly,
Maude gave us Adrienne Barbieau fun bags.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Think she got married to John Carpenter (the director)
and as a result, her give-a-shitter broke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
The big contrast
was Bea Arthur’s pant suits and AB’s tight scoop-necked tshirts hiding the goods.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
The Simpsons does not count
Good Times (or What’s Happening, I forget which one spun off from which) is one.
The Simpsons totally counts.
Spun off from the Tracy Ulman Show.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I remember watching it on the Tracey Ullman show.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
That's not what a spin off is
that was sketch on the show. Pinky and the Brain is not a spin off of animaniacs
I'm having a hard time agreeing with you here.
by brettgardner on Jan 3, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Thats a mighty lawyery way of saying you disagree.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Sure it is.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I don't understand why you have to be a douche about every possible argument.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Its who he is
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Fuck off
Gdawg arguing something and then calling me out as argumentative. Typical
by ab03 on Jan 3, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I’ll argue with people plenty of times, its what everyone does here. The difference is that I see no reason to be a dick to everyone I argue with if they aren’t being dicks to me. With people like you or Josey, simply exchanging points and opinions is beyond the question.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And you still think I was being a dick because I said "we can probably end this"
to the all important conversation of spinoffs?
Are you really sticking to that? I am clearly Josey, right?
Yes, it was a very important conversation
Does it matter what the conversation is with you? You seem to respond to people with the same condescending tone no matter what the subject is.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It wasn't condescending you fucking dipshit
What the fuck don’t you get? It was a fucking joke. You know why I was joking? Because we were fucking talking about spinoffs.
Are you that fucking tone deaf?
You know what, fuck off
I’ve explained myself once and that’s more than enough. You just responded to Cahill, someone infinitely smarter than you, in the same condescending tone that you are apparently decrying (and which I haven’t used once). You’re just an asshole who uses it “condescending and argumentative” as a crutch when you are losing an argument.
whatever.
K
I’m sorry you feel that way. Hope you react better to people in real life if you’re doing the whole law thing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And for the record, I never called you a douche bag
at least not that I can remember. I also never called you a stupid dumbass dipshit either.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Don't take things so personally
“it” doesn’t mean you’re a douche bag. It means that you have to respond to people in a douchey manner more often than not it seems.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Sorry you don't appreciate it
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Its definitely beneath the GDawg code
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It's not beneath the "GDawg Code"
to run to Big Ed Coffin when you get your widdle baseball feelings hurt by Josey Wales.
What a pussy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
When did I run to Big Ed Coffin?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
How is that being a douche
I don’t see why you can’t have a conversation. Is it the part where I called you…oh wait.
You disagreed with me, so you said we should just end the conversation completely.
I probably went too far with the douche thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
LSB forgives
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I don't have any idea what's going on here now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
ANGRYDOME you fuckwit.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Walked right into that one.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Nice
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
You've been humungously argumentative recently.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
No I haven't
because I have always been argumentative. I fail to see what is wrong with that on a blog. That’s all anybody ever does. I am not starting arguments, am I? I’m also not the one calling people names (in any sort of serious context)
Agreed
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
The Jeffersons
Mork & Mindy
Family Matters
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Did Happy Days lead to Mork and Mindy
and Laverne and Shirley?
Where did Family Matters come from?
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Happy Days --> Mork and Mindy
Family Matters —> Perfect Strangers
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I just remembered that Happy Days also gave us
Joanie Loves Chachi, which really wasn’t all that successful.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Right, Perfect Strangers begat Family Matters.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
The Cleveland Show
o wait
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
KING OF THE HILL!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Yup
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I was going for the
“Yup… yup… mm-hmm” responses of Bill, Dale, and Boomhauer
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
King of the Hill was overly successful and had a longer run than Beavis and Butthead.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Daria
but I’m probably the only one who watched that.
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I remember it...
not sure I watched it very often though.
by lost in space on Jan 3, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I saw it on TV some, it was awkwardly funny.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I never thought it was funny
just amusing
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I was 15/16 at the time so a lot of the humor I didn't get.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
see: MTV
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I don't know if that counts.
He had a different name in Beavis and Butthead.
by brettgardner on Jan 3, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Tom Anderson, I believe
Stop whacking in my toolshed.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Characters were loosely based.
So it was said.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Same character basically though
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Cleveland didn't have 2 kids on Family Guy either
but that’s pretty clearly a spin off.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Cleveland didn't gain a kid. He gained a stepdaughter.
The Cleveland Show is the definition of a spin-off.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Right, the little smartass kid.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I see, I never watch the show
Is the son the same one too? Did he gain 100 pounds in the story?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Cleveland Jr. did.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I was never an avid watcher of King of the Hill but it did have some tremendously funny episodes.
I tell people I’m from Arlington and they automatically say from King of the Hill?!?!?!
Arlington, eh?
So how did you like growing up in Mineral Wells?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I believe you meant Arlin
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
*Arlen
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
King of the Hill was apparently based on Garland
even though arlen is supposed to be some distance from Dallas
Having grown up in Garland
I saw many similarities.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
i watched it all when it was on reruns on the wb network.
back then there I didnt have nearly the variety of entertainment options I have now.. but I liked it enough. havnt ever made an effort to see any of it again though.
Not a "HUGE" fan
But a fan, nonetheless. I watched every episode, too.
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
The episode where he ate a pot brownie was hilarious
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
I've intentionally made it a life goal...
to never once watch a single minute of Fraiser.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
While giving Young due credit,
it’s also worth remembering that a number of folks predicted that the Rangers’ front office wouldn’t dare ask him to move positions in 2011… I certainly didn’t think they would.
I know I was one
Im not terribly stoked about Beltre at the rumored price but I do think he will be a nice upgrade defensively, at least next year
How do you reconcile paying 2 players in their mid to late 30s a combined $ 32 million
for three years but you can’t give Cliff Lee a 7th year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
We're paying Young no matter what, dumbass.
We’d be paying him with Cliff Lee, we’ll be paying him without him.
Why do you throw your Sacred Cow into this stuff, anyway?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Were there no black people living in Mineral Wells when you were growing up?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I wouldn't know anything about the demographics of Mineral Wells.
I’ve never once been there that I know of.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Why do you have such an aversion to going places
where you know there will be blacks?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Tell us again how many black friends you had growing up
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Are servants considered friends?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Whatever number Josey says, it will be a blatant lie.
There is no way you can convince me that Josey is anything but a racist.
by michael bluth on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Josey may be a narcissistic troll but I never perceived him as a racist
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Why do you keep asking me if I'm from Mineral fucking Wells?
Even if I was from there, what does that matter?
I’m not, once again.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Do you have any ties to Mineral Wells?
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 3, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
No, that's what I don't get at all.
I honestly don’t know if I’ve ever even set foot in Mineral Wells. I’ve certainly never talked about it.
And all of the sudden, Josey throws it out in every post to me like it’s some kind of killshot slight.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I'm sorry...
Send me your address. I’ll cut off my pinky as pentence.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 4, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
He's a Gomer
much more comfortable in simple life small towns (MW, Waco, Tyler) that are much more nurturing and most importantly, don’t have ghettos!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Read this carefully, Josey.
I’ve never lived in Mineral Wells.
I have lived in two of the cities you listed— Waco and Tyler. School in Waco for 4 years, work in Tyler for four months so far.
Fucking moron.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I live in south Tyler
Hopefully, not for too much longer.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 3, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I had heard that!
We live on the southern edge of Azalea.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
He's alive?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I'm pretty Baylor is in the middle of a ghetto.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
*I'm pretty sure
Too many job applications and job postings looked at today.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I can't get unemployment checks though.
Any lawyers who want to help?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
No.
I have no ties to any oil anywhere, friend, family or foe.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
WTF Man?
Lubbock/Abilene but no oil or gas? Damn son
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Ya.
When people ask me about connections for networking I have very little response. My dad has a friend that has a small gas company, but I don’t really know him. I met him once when I was 7/8 and that’s it.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I am the first person in my
family to go to college so I understand. I had zero connections
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Same here
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Same here.
I just try to be nice to everybody I meet and hopefully I find somebody that might be helpful to me in my career path once I graduate. I have a couple of friends that have ties to the industry I’m going into, but nothing really major.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Yup.
My neighbor is going to bat about this job tomorrow. Hopefully it goes well. The thing is I hate asking people for anything, it’s not my m.o
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Welcome to the real world
In this economy you get it how ever you can
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Same here.
It can be helpful if you go about it the right way though. I’m the kind of person that would give anybody the shirt off my back if they needed it, so I don’t mind asking people for help. The worst they can do is say no or that they can’t help you, but maybe they can point you at somebody that can. If there is some kind of mutual agreement that needs to take place or something I need to do for somebody in return or whatever the case may be I have no problem doing whatever for whoever. That’s just the kind of person I am.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Ya, I just don't expect anything in return.
The guys I ran around with all during college gave me a pair of boots for graduation. Blew my mind, I didn’t expect anything from them.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Just take a shitty job
Like at Enterprise Rent-a-Car gain some experience and then find a better one. The key is experience plus education. Networking is most important because every business gets lots of applications.You are just a piece of paper to them, but if you can put a face to the paper it helps a lot.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
By all means,
keep your thumbs in your ass and don’t network.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Ts;dr
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Your thumb-ass fetish is getting disturbing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
My experiences may be different than your experiences.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Like the area directly surrounding the stadium.
AKA the township of “Beverly Hills.”
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Fuck Beverly Hills....
1) fuck the area in general
2) fuck the cops in that area
Josey Wales is stupid
What about?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
fuck this guy?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I strongly disliked him in The Santa Clause
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Dude Judge Reinhold
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Judge Reinhold
He was in the Beverly Hills Cop movies.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'll rest my case to the length of time then.
heh
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Youre not entirely wrong or anything
Baylor is in a “bad” part of town
It just isnt that bad, and there are way worse in Waco
Josey Wales is stupid
It's gotten a lot better as the bubble has expanded.
But there are definitely way worse parts.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Not missing much.
My buddy who was head bouncer at New Orleans Nights use to live there, so I enjoyed some parties with lots of strippers who were off the clock in that town. Just a memory
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Details.
How much is the cover?
/just wondering
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
NON no longer exists it is now Rick's
my buddy no longer works there either. He was fired for ripping off a pick’em league they had there. He was cheating and keeping the money.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
God I apologize for this again...
The reason he’s doing this is my fault. I’m sorry. Should I mail my pinky or some Ruben Sierra Rookie Cards….
HE’S NOT FROM FUCKING MINERAL WELLS JOSEY!!!!
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 4, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes I forgot how awesome JD really is.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
don't worry about the bullpen y'all, it's Golden Girl!!
Bea Arther Rhodes and Gran Pappy Oliver got this!
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
Bea Arthur* Rhodes
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
by BigGuns on Jan 3, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's racist!
Just wait until Betty White sees this
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
by chrisR on Jan 3, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what makes him think that?
t
omcoach966 Im sorry but the Rangers starting pitching…..better step up again this year….If Wilson has ANY troubles….Big Trouble for the Rangers
you all hate me??? news flash: i don't care
X
Cliff Lee gave us 15 starts with an ERA around 4 during the regular season. The A’s haven’t gotten that much better. The Angels are worse, and the #6 org is still shitty.
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
by chrisR on Jan 3, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where we are really fucked in not having Cliff Lee next year will come to fruition
in the playoffs (if we get there).
That Tampa team was really good….you saw all their losses in the off-season yet Cairo has them winning 87 games next year…and we beat them because of Cliff Lee.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Tampa still has a godly rotation
But their bullpen is a big question mark. And seriously. Dan Johnson is you starting 1B!?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
My point was that Tampa team
and our victory over them are both drastically underrated by LSB.
That was a young, but very talented team with post-season experience.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
How do you 'underrate' a victory?
That was the Rangers’ first fucking postseason series win ever.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I wouldn't say it's underrated
We would’ve lost it without Cliff Lee. Sure. But that’s already behind. It’s 2011 and Tampa is going to need a lot of luck to even make it to the playoffs with the Yankees and much-improved Red Sox around.
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Rolling out Cliff Lee twice in a 5 game series is a devastating weapon
and he’s gone.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
You know what else is gone?
Yesterday, quit living in it.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
All my problems seemed so far away...
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Great song
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I probably should've been talking about the entirety of LSB, not just myself.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Don't you need to be issuing more
warnings about the thread being farted up….to what 800+ comments now?
lol
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Aren't you a little old for chatspeak?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
With an infield that includes Beltre, Andrus, and Kinsler
the pitchers are already getting better.
x
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
by BigGuns on Jan 3, 2011 11:37 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Wow, thank you very much.
But this is a little unexpected coming from you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
she's gorgeous, but I figured the fellas would appreciate it...
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
You'd hit it, wouldn't you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I'd hit it so hard her mother would wake from her nap screaming "dios mio"
The Rangers off season ineffectiveness is the new don't ask/don't tell.
by BigGuns on Jan 3, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
I KNEW IT!
I LOVE THIS GUY!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Green is the new gold.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I literally LOL'd
Well played, Mauer
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
autorec
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
"My parents actually loved to pimp me too." - LSJ
Badabing
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
So Alfredo Simon shot up into the air and it killed his friend?
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often
That's what I was thinking when I watched Three Amigos as a kid
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Great movie.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Oh great! You've shot the invisible swordsman!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
How do you debunk that one?
It comes back down at the same speed it went up, does it not?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
not at all
aerodynamics. it tumbles as it falls and has a much lower terminal velocity than its fired at. and could hit backwards.
Yeah
But they did sorta debunk it
My guess is its an issue where it is really really unlikely, but still possible
Josey Wales is stupid
they didn't debunk it at all really
it’s only impossible if you nearly impossibly shoot the gun straight up into the air
Only
in a vacuum. The drag changes things. It will drop til it hits terminal velocity, when the acceleration due to gravity is offset by the drag. Considering it’s tumbling, and probably no longer traveling in a tight spiral, it’s doubtful it lands with muzzle velocity. It’s still probably traveling a few hundred mph, so it would suck if it hit you, and with an unlucky enough landing spot I can see it killing someone.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I accept this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
From wiki--
The non-fiction U.S. cable television program MythBusters on the Discovery Channel covered this topic in Episode 50: “Bullets Fired Up” (original airdate: April 19, 2006). Special-effects experts Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman conducted a series of experiments to answer the question: “Can celebratory gunfire kill when the bullets fall back to earth?” Using pig carcasses, they worked out the terminal velocity of a falling bullet and had a mixed result, answering the question with all three of the show’s possible outcomes: Confirmed, Plausible and Busted.30 They tested falling bullets by firing them from both a handgun and a rifle, by firing them from an air gun designed to propel them at terminal velocity, and by dropping them in the desert from an instrumented balloon. The “busted” result applied only to bullets traveling on a perfectly vertical trajectory, which tumble on the way down, creating turbulence that reduces terminal velocity. The “plausible” result was cited because they found it was very difficult to fire a bullet in near-ideal vertical trajectory, so bullets were likely to remain spin-stabilized on a ballistic trajectory and fall at a potentially lethal terminal velocity. The “confirmed” result related to their research which verified cases of actual deaths from falling bullets.31
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
well was this friend far away heh
that makes it sound like it could kill someone, but firing it straight up and falling back down to kill a friend nearby wont work.
bascically
I think that it sounds like its something a defense team came up with, as its a very remote possibility. I think its more likely he killed the guy though.
Of course, thats what trials and lawyers are for.
I thought there was a second guy who was wounded.
How did he explain that?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Is that what he said?
I’m legitimately asking.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
He didn't say
But how is he not firing twice? Even if he meant to murder them, he obviously fired twice.
This is NYE we are talking about. I doubt people shoot their guns up in the air once.
I’m not on the record as believing him but it is one of those stories that seems plausible and easily verifiable
maybe he fired a whole bunch of times
and only two of the bullets hit.
so the mythbusters researches can come up with 2 cases of someone being hit by a falling bullet
and you think its remotely realistic that two happened here?
and i dont know the details of the case either, i just know that it if you’ve got one option thats near folklore and one that happens thousands of times a year….
It seems fairly easy to verify.
And it’s quite plausible, given the circumstances. I understand being skeptical, but you seem to be rejecting the possibility out of hand for no reason.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone want to take bets on how this ends up?
I didnt say it was impossible, I said it was incredibly unlikely.
Anyone want to flat out say they think its more likely he fired bullets up at the 1 in million perfect angle (seriously, more than one in a million..) to hit a friend… twice.. than it is that someone who committed a murder will plead innocent and provide a story to explain what happened?
Yes, its possible. I’d be shocked if its what happened and frankly I think thats the logical opinion. Its not like I have any predisposition toward him. And obviously I dont want them to put the guy to death on the spot, of course they should do all the analysis and research into it they can and if it they decide thats what happened cool. Well, better anyway.
It's pretty obvious he tried to kill those guys.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I feel like you're not taking into account the circumstances at all.
It doesn’t seem immediately apparent to me why he’d be aiming to kill his brother and cousin and then not actually kill the brother.
Especially considering that it was one bullet that hit both guys.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Well here's what the ESPN story says
Police initially said a murder charge would be filed against Simon, but Public Prosecutor Victor Mueses told The Associated Press on Monday that witness accounts and evidence support an involuntary manslaughter charge instead.
“The version that we have is that there was a dispute between two women and he tried to dissolve it, fired a shot that ended up wounding a young person in the arm and that same bullet lodged in the chest of the deceased,” Mueses said by phone.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2011 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
Weird
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
didnt mean to hit post
well if there are a dozen witnesses (plus the injured guy) and they all back up the story, alright ill start believing it.
although then its also not two bullets which made me find the odds that much worse in the first place.
or RFK.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 4, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
Having been to a fair amount of shooting scenes
Projectiles take some wild rides and you would be surprised how little it takes to kill or likewise what a fellow can survive
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
If the two were in contact with each other
it’s just hitting one person and continuing on its path.
Sounds like it probably went through his arm.
The story also says this
Some Dominicans shoot guns in the air on New Year’s Eve especially in the hours leading to midnight, although authorities have repeatedly warned against the practice. Bystanders are killed or wounded every New Year’s Eve.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
I was working new years night
most of us wear helmets close to midnight and or park under overpasses if we have the option. New years day we get tons of calls in the morning about car/houses/everything with damage from falling projectiles. Most urban areas will be shooting off, dont matter where in the US your at.
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
well noones bothering to actually post the details of anything
And I didnt see this in a quick google search.
If there are 10 things I dont know about that all make it far more likely maybe id change my mind. I mean, does the non-dead guy fully support him?
Im just going off the basic idea.
Do you realize how impossible it would be to fake that trajectory?
Maybe he made it up but I find it a pretty stupid move
well he can't fire it straight up and kill a friend nearby
unless he fired it straight up with the gun above the friend’s head or fired it straight up and walked away and the friend walked to the space formerly occupied by the gun
this episode is on instant watch
Im refreshing my memory because I dont think that summary tells the whole story.
alright, watched it.
It was not simply stated that it must be a perfect straight up vertical, merely at that a substantial enough angle that it will maintain spin.
Heres my problem: The case where they found someone who had been hit was a mile away. A handgun bullet will travel roughly 5,000 feet vertically if fired up. Do you guys have any idea how incredibly close to vertical you’d have to fire to get a bullet to come back down and hit someone in the vicinity? I cant imagine it would be able to maintain its full spin at that kind of angle. Not to mention wind effect..
The terminal velocity of a 9mm bullet was said to be 150 fps, they shot them at a pigs head and it bounced off. It seems like you’d have to have the full force of the gun to go through someones arm and kill another guy.
I would really like a fully detailed story on this thing, if every person at the party (and i mean every… including the injured guy.. isnt that known?) says its what happened I guess its possible, but if thats the case why is he being charged with murder off the bat…
Well if it did happen like that it was definitely incredibly long odds.
Alright, thus ends my interest in falling bullets for the night. Hopefully some really fleshed out reports come out about it, its interesting anyway.
Other factors that keep in mind
Guns/ammo used in those types of unregulated areas are not the greatest in quality and dont produce reliable results. The equivalent here would be guns sold at guns shows behind the scenes or in the parking lots. ive handle a few of them and they are as likely to kill you as they are to kill your target. another huge thing in unregulated areas is re-cased ammunition. Poorly re-cased or cheap ammo will produce weird results. I love MB and their ballistic tests but sometimes in real life situations the variables are wild as all get out
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I call my girl
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Jan 4, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is I Am Neftali Feliz?
I need to know what a Mexican Snow Angel is. It is bugging me.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Happened to a family that we went to church with
When I was 6 or 7 and living in Azle. Guy was 17 or 18 about to head to college, if memory serves. They were out on Lake Worth on 4th of July.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 4, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
From twitter...
I certainly hope Adrian Beltre is made aware of the amount of crotch grabs it’s going to take to fill Mikey’s spot on the field. #Rangers
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
by e2drummer on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I saw that. That chick is hilarious.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
just found her, thanks anyway though!
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
don't know
he doesn’t wear a cup and he suffered a broken nut last year….
you all hate me??? news flash: i don't care
Well...
Looks like he’s going to pull the organizations Tits Out Of The Wire™ once again.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I've heard that hurts
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Good for Michael Young...
He wants to be a Texas Ranger and I appreciate that.
Also, it’ll already have been worth it for the Spanish Beltre Thread alone.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 12:10 AM CST reply actions
I wish AJM would run the numbers on that thread.
AKA Roll Call.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
What a deep and curious mind you have ....3.5 years, double-major at a community college, got it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
You graduated from Tech.
I wouldn’t throw stones on educations.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
by Aqua on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
From AA, no.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
i dont think you can from Tech
Not likely to happen, but dreams are the foundation of baseball, so dream away. - JParks
I know some that have, but they are business and pre med.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Did you receive a bottle of Scope for graduation?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Better than the penicillin they had to give you after nailing all of those Tech hoggers.
Several of which had VDs native only to sharks.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Man I miss that place
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Jan 4, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There is nothing to miss about Lubbock.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 4, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know how it stacks up now (it's still damned good) but Texas Tech
had the best looking women in the SWC back in the 80s.
Everybody I know that got married to somebody they met at Tech married waaaaay over their skis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Except the hot ladies, hoggers, and Shark VDs
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
You're assuming he got laid?
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Pretty sure I got a diploma.
They must have handed out AA brochures at Tech.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
by RangersSD on Jan 4, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Ace. You know I wasn't talking about you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Probably be easier to do if you were back in that shithole stucco sandpit.
Surrounded by the children of the corn at ITTexas Tech, one step beneath an elementary school for the gifted and talented.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Yousonfoabitch.
But honestly, the only time I would ever spend in Lubbock is between the ages of 18-26. Outside of that, there is much better places to spend your life.
Sorry BU couldn’t pull of the bowl game…
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
We would have had better luck just pulling out of the bowl game.
Declining the invitation completely. The extra practices definitely didn’t seem to help the defense any.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I made the mistake of picking BU in my pickem
I expected a better performance, but clearly my college football radar is beyond fucked this season
Still a great season for Baylor obviously
I cant remember reading it, did you go to the Bowl game?
Josey Wales is stupid
Yep, I was there.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
pk3 kinda did with that cloud
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
alright guys, i'm out
mainly because i’m still hungover (mentally, not physically) from the Spanish Beltre Thread. I hope I don’t wake up to another 3,100 comment thread.
Not likely to happen, but dreams are the foundation of baseball, so dream away. - JParks
At some point people go to bed.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Nah, this one wont get there.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
OT: Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father
Based on the AVClub news item today, I decided to stream the documentary on Netflix.
This is seriously some ineffably sad stuff. Have no intention of spoiling it for anyone else but if you want to sob like a bitch and lose the ability to have an erection for at least 5 days, watch this movie.
I watched Never Let Me Go on a plane yesterday.
Having never read the book, I was actually pretty bothered by it, though it’s probably because I’m overly sensitive.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Read that book, this is infinitely more depressing.
I don’t even have kids, so this probably didn’t resonate with me as much as it could have.
I'm assuming you read the story and the comments.
It gets worse when you actually watch the thing, trust me.
Also, and this goes without saying, don’t read the comments if you actually plan on watching the documentary.
For what it's worth, it's not a matter of "spoiling the movie"
It’s just that, if you start watching it with the knowledge of how it all turns out, I would imagine it would be pretty fucking hard to get through the whole thing.
watched it on there a month ago, pretty compelling
particularly the grandfather letting his anger show now and then.
Later guys.... Enjoy
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jan 4, 2011 1:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
forgot 1
Good things travel in 3’s… or maybe 6’s…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jan 4, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That one scene
From Total Recall?
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
It doesn't move, but...
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I commented on my friends facebook status about how MY is a terrible defender.
And I got responses about how he’s one of the best players we have and we can’t succeed without him in the field.
I need new friends, I guess.
You need to educate them, if they are willing and able to learn.
Which from experience when it comes to sports is like trying to fix a leaking that has a hole the size of a monster truck tire with duct tape.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Angels fans...
lakers85 @SI_JonHeyman are the angel still after beltre tweet me back asap please jon from Daniel Kissick
Seriously, can this tweet be any more pathetic?
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
Shame he blocked boomer.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Read about 1/3 of the thread and then Shift+A
Is the Beltre thing happening or not?
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Jan 4, 2011 2:16 AM CST reply actions
Best guess?
Beltre is a Ranger by the end of the week or this was all a ruse by Boras to prove that he can make the Angels his bitch after all.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 2:40 AM CST up reply actions
Win either way?
If this forces them to wayyyyyy over commit?
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by FormerDriller on Jan 4, 2011 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
Well waddya know
If that’s true, I guess I retract my ’Fuck you, Michael" from earlier.
You’re still horrible though, Mikey. Just less so right now.
I NEVER SAID BATMAN!!!
666
/LSJ
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 4, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Thats real smart
Take the best defensive player in baseball and make him a DH…
I reiterate, the Rangers will lose 40 more games this season.
Losing Young’s defense at third alone will cost them 20.
by Sharky on Jan 4, 2011 7:31 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Stick to commenting on football.....
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 4, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
You should hang out with that guy who said Vlad's RBIs were worth 20 wins last season
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
The Rangers would get all of those wins back...
if they signed Juan Gonzalez.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
And Jeff Zimmerman
And Marion Barber
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Justin Thompson should return from rehab by June and make a nice mid-season addition to the bullpen
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Did Erik change his name to Justin?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
nO
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Twould be grand
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
The Sharky program seems to be broken.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Rec'd for sheer retardation
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Wow, this is such a terrible idea
MY as a DH? The man has posted one 800+ OPS season in the past four years. Even as a 1st baseman, this is pretty low production. It would be much better for us to trade him for whatever we can get, even assuming that we eat about half his salary. That way, at least he wouldn’t clog positions that could be better filled with other players.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Jan 4, 2011 8:10 AM CST reply actions
Or, you could think of it like this...
If Beltre is signed, is the value overall of Beltre manning third with Michael Young absorbing Vlad’s ABs better than just Vlad being re-signed and Michael Young still at third? Next year and probably the next few years, I think definitely so, yes. The problem will come when Michael Young’s contract comes off the books, the Rangers might be in a similar situation that they’re in now with Young with Beltre as he ages.
Basically, since Michael Young makes a lot of money, isn’t good anywhere in the field, and is likely nearly impossible to trade, if the contract for Beltre is even remotely tolerable, it’s probably the best thing the team could do with the options available right now.
That is, unless the status quo and saving your salvos for another day while maintaining that the team is probably the favorites in the West anyway without adding an expensive player in his 30s is your preferred way of handling this situation.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 4, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
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