Rangers trade Guillermo Moscoso to Oakland
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST
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PrintA variety of outlets have reported that the Rangers have traded Guillermo Moscoso to the Oakland A's for righthanded minor league pitcher Ryan Kelly.
Moscoso was designated for assignment to make room on the 40 man roster for Adrian Beltre, and the Rangers had 10 days to trade, waive or release him. Moscoso wasn't likely to clear waivers, so a trade was expected.
Kelly, who will pitch at age 23 this season, was in the Pirates system until December, 2010, when he was dealt to the A's for infielder Corey Wimberly.
Kelly apparently throws hard and has put up impressive peripherals in low-A the last couple of years after missing good chunks of 2007 and 2008 with injuries.
He's a fringe prospect at best right now, but appears to be someone who could potentially have a future in a major league bullpen.
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might as we get someone that throws hard....
if you are going to lose him anyway…..
by death of the cool on Jan 8, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions
I just laid so cheedah on the Saints..
Took the under on points, 45 1/2…
I’m banking on SEA doing nothing on offense.
Risky.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow
That was a dumb bet. I won a lot of money earlier this year on the over on the same game. Seattle at home….you must have had a lot of confidence in a mediocre Saints defense.
The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.
Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT
I woke up too late to play anything..figured it would be higher than that
I need Nevada to win tomorrow to cash in on my 6-team parlay..its probably best I just lay low at this point
by dolphinpuncher on Jan 8, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
How'd that work out for ya dumbass.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Oh, the Moscoso memes that could have been..
by dolphinpuncher on Jan 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Where have you been?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Classic JD/Thad/AJ pickup....
Hard throwing low level guy, high ceiling but long way to go…
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 8, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions
Getting a live arm
in return for Moscoso, even if he doesn’t develop, is pretty good.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Wow
@Pgammo (Peter Gammons) says Texas offer for #Rays Garza was Holland, Francisco (+money), E. Beltre + Chirinos (from Cubs).
Hi, my name is Josey Wales and I'm a douche. Prove me wrong.
hold up
how did we get Chirnos?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
it was rumored during the winter meetings
ODay and Davis for Chirinos +
So I imagine it would be something along those lines
Gold.
I love you Mike E.
/heh
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Jan 8, 2011 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this just shows
how little the Rangers think of Holland right now.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
I agree with this.
No way Rangers are willing to throw Francisco and Engel in there with Holland unless they don’t expect too much growth from Holland.
Not necessarily.
The Cubs package gives the Rays players they can control longer than the Texas package.
if this was the offer for Garza
can’t imagine what the Royals turned down for Grienke from us. Poor Royals fans.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Oh man am I glad TB didn't choose that.
Wow.
Fuck that’s nuts.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
by LSJ on Jan 8, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Josey said something along the lines of “JD needed to be in on this” after the trade went down even though a tweet was out there saying we had a offer on the table that would have helped more in 2011.
So I wonder what his response will be now that there are actual names out there that we apparently offered
i think what he means is
why do people even think about him so much to care
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Who cares what he'd say...
Something along the lines of Postseason Koufax…Judy Borbon…Nolan Ryan is great…JD shit the bed.
Same as always.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Word
shut the fuck up Esteban Grande
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Jan 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Magic Beans/Thumbs and asses/postseason Koufax
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy.
by LSJ on Jan 8, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
tweet is not there
or has been deleted. wonder if he was mistaken..
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Yeah
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Gammons didn't tweet it...
The Rangers were the other team in it to the end. They thought they could get Chirinos from the Cubs, then package him with left-handed pitcher Derek Holland, reliever Frank Francisco and outfielder Engel Beltre, plus pay some of Francisco’s contract. Friedman sees everything in the long term, and he thought that in 2012 and ’13 — when Jeremy Hellickson, David Price and Archer could be an extremely formidable front three — the Rays would have a better chance to keep their window open.
I don't think it's that absurd.
Garza is basically John Danks from the right side. We should be hoping someone will bite on Beltre. I like Fx2, but he’s not irreplaceable.
Holland’s the wild card. And at this point, there’s no guarantee that he takes the next step.
Que sera, sera.
What a shitty deal that'd have been...
God bless you Chicago Cubs for rescuing the Texas Rangers.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 8, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I usually do.
I also habitually check so I can see who’s the inconsiderate types.. cause that’s what it is.
Everyone is pretty good at it though.. AJM is the only one who never does.. and that’s cause he wants you to leave the site and come back.
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BenBadler Ben Badler
Then Rays took the best offer RT @evanbrunell Texas offer for Garza (per @pgammo) was Holland, Francisco, Beltre, Chirinos, $
Probably.
I think Archer and Holland are similar ceiling players, but the shine has worn off Holland who is more likely to have a decent ML career just by virtue of being in the majors, sort of, but it also appears he isn’t approaching his ceiling anytime soon.
Hak-Ju > Beltre, it seems from what is published online, unless Beltre’s offense blossoms a great deal
Chirino is in both deals
Plus they tacked on Fud and Guyere.
So, probably a little better future value from talent, but not a really high likelihood that it will happen that way.
I think they took the better deal in the sense that they probably got higher ceiling players out of all of those rumored to be involved.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
As I barely was able to type in the morning thread.... Rogers offhand comment about Danks....
Holland, frankfranKKKK, Beltre (another low-level guy or two, possibly one named Profar) for Danks.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
So Chris Davis, Darren O'Day (If you believe that that's what the Rangers were dangling for Chirinos), Frank Francisco, Engel Belre, and Derek Holland...
for Matt Garza?
I wouldn’t have stopped vomiting yet.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone must really love Garza or really think little of Holland
sometimes, it’s about the luck of not making a deal. Phew
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I really do trust the Front Office
and JD. I think they know more than we do about Holland, which is saying something if they feel ok getting rid of him.
Just saying, "I really trust the front office..."
doesn’t excuse them to make a terrible baseball trade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 8, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think that deal would have completely ruined my offseason
While I’m a bit grumpy, at least foolish free agent spending is like the national debt. You don’t want to have too much of it, but at least the pain won’t be suffered until years from now. There is nothing more annoying that foolish trading of high ceiling players.
I’d have to think there is a non-trivial chance that Holland has a better 2011 than Garza, and a decent chance in 2012 and beyond. Clearly if it were a straight up offer, I’d rather have Garza. But Garza isn’t worth Beltre, Frankie, O’Day and Davis more…
Go Rice Owls!
what is concerning to me
is that the folks that should know best don’t seem to think Holland has much of a chance of breaking thru.
I’ve been thinking that the current Rangers rotation would be pretty solid if someone steps up and becomes a viable #3 starter, and I thought Holland was the obvious choice to do so, but people that should know him better than anyone don’t seem to think that.
He does seem to have some of that
Esteban Loaiza/Vicente Padilla ability to combine a lot of raw talent with the ability to melt down at any time. Of Course Loaiza was able to string almost everything together one year and almost win a Cy Young.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Seems to me there are three main, non-exclusive possibilities here:
(1) Daniels/others in the Rangers’ front office struggle to consistently value big-league talent;
(2) Daniels/others in the Rangers’ front office feel strongly that the Rangers need to win this year or next, and that to accomplish that, they need proven guys;
(3) Daniels/others in the Rangers’ front office have very low hopes of Holland, Beltre, and Davis, and see Francisco and O’Day as expendable pieces given the bullpen situation.
Oops -- that second point was incomplete.
Firefox keeps seizing up on me… should have read:
(2) …proven guys to provide insurance in case Lewis and Wilson can’t duplicate their 2011 performance;
I think it's mostly (2) and a bit of (3).
There is always the chance that Holland and Davis figure it out, but the signals are that it isn’t imminent, which is problematic when the team needs to add strength at the top rather than back of the rotation.
I think (1) has a good deal of evidence against it given a number of FA signings and trades that have worked out well: Hamilton, Murphy, Treanor, Vlad. Not everyone has worked out, but many to at least think they have a clue.
In addition to (2), I wonder if the Rangers see something in Garza they think is correctable or misused that they believe he can work on with Maddux.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
i have a real hard time believing we actually offered this
and from the way this FO has worked, Id be rather suprised if the actual offer got out there.
Got Nothing... someone give me a good one
If the didn't offer it, it would be easy for them to deny it. They have been vocal about clarifying trade talks surrounding MY.
So, it wouldn’t be unprecedented for them to speak out to at least deny a trade rumor.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
R. Kelly...
isn’t in the A’s top 20 that J. Sick did.
We know dstarr expected Brett Anderson in return.
TORP for TORP
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
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