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ALDS Game 2 -- Pre-Game Discussion

ARLINGTON, TX - SEPTEMBER 30:  A general view during the national anthem before Game One of the American League Division Series between the Texas Rangers and the Tampa Bay Rays at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington on September 30, 2011 in Arlington, Texas.  (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images)

So, today is kind of a big deal.  It isn't as if the Rangers can't win two games in Tampa in the postseason -- they won three in Tampa in the ALDS last season, after all -- but going down 2-0 would be a pretty huge hole to deal with.

So, in our team of need, the Rangers turn to...


Derek Holland

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The storyline is going to be that Holland will either be great or he will be awful, and that will dictate what happens today, but it is worth noting that James Shields, the Rays' starter, is tied with Holland for the A.L. lead in shutouts, with four.

Shields also started Game 2 for the Rays in last year's ALDS, despite having a pretty poor season in 2010.  He was knocked out in the 5th last season, leaving down 2-0 with two on and one out, only to see his replacement, Chad Qualls, give up a 3 run home run to Michael Young as the Rangers rolled to a 6-0 win.

Shields has pitched twice against the Rangers in 2011 and dominated both games, getting a complete game shutout in one outing and allowing one run in 8 innings in the other.  Texas posted a  .140/.183/.211 line against Shields this season, for what it is worth, which probably isn't much.

I suspect we'll see David Murphy in left field today and Mitch Moreland at first base, with Yorvit Torrealba and Craig Gentry going to the bench, but what the Rangers really need is for someone other than Josh Hamilton to show up and decide to hit today.  Shields is a good pitcher who has had a great season, but he is hittable and beatable, and the Rangers' bats are good enough to put up runs against him.

I don't have any keys to the game or anything like that...we know what the deal is.  Derek Holland has to throw strikes, command his fastball, and avoid the meatballs in the middle of the plate that have been the hallmark of his bad outings since he reached the majors in 2009.  The bats have to wake up.  

If that happens, the Rangers will likely win.  If not, well...we'll be heading for Tampa hoping to sweep there and force a Game 5.

UPDATE -- Today's Rangers lineup:

Ian Kinsler -- 2B

Elvis Andrus -- SS

Josh Hamilton -- CF

Michael Young -- DH

Adrian Beltre -- 3B

Mike Napoli -- C

Nelson Cruz -- RF

David Murphy -- LF

Mitch Moreland -- 1B

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Be good today Dutch

Please…

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 1, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

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RangerBlake John Blake
Game 2 lineup: Kinsler, 2b; Andrus, ss; Hamilton, cf; Young, dh; Beltre, 3b; Napoli, c; Cruz, rf; Murphy, lf; Moreland, 1b; Holland, p

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 1, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Just about what I expected

Good to see Naps catching today

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 1, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

He was going to start regardless.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 1, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i do approve Naps catching. good move

"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 1, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a lineup

Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.

by Bface on Oct 1, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is what we said yesterday too...:(

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's better today

No Gentry or Torrealba. But yeah, fuck yesterday

Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.

by Bface on Oct 1, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

The week went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday. The Rangers just wanted to be underdogs so they forfeited the missing day to the Rays. No biggie.

by Akalhar on Oct 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably their best lineup vs. RHP

One thing I like about this lineup, even if Moreland is slumping … well, has been slumping for a couple of months…it seems he and Murphy work counts pretty well. In fact, that’s my best memory of Moreland last post-season….he made the pitchers work.

Btw, I hate Shields and his antler-mocking ass! Light him up and make him cry boys!

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Oct 1, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure I saw Shields do it too...

…but even if I’m wrong, I hate him anyway and fuck Sonnanstine too! ;-)

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Oct 1, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good ol' Andy Sonnanstine

i remember dirkatron sweating his nuts for the longest time

by oc on Oct 2, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

For he is called...

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

what color are they wearing today?

by strobman on Oct 1, 2011 3:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm assuming white.

Dutch usually goes with the whtie and red hats, but I don’t think MLB will allow it since it’s not an official uniform combo.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Out of all our uniform combos

I like the white/red the most.

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 1, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers up 1-0

could be enough, way things are going

by Schoolly_D on Oct 1, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know who to root for in that series

I guess go AZ

Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.

by Bface on Oct 1, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

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RangerBlake John Blake
Rangers Probables: Game 3: Colby Lewis; Game 4: Matt Harrison.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 1, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

EG confirms this.

Colby to start game 3.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 1, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neat

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11

by Rodney on Oct 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

Derek Holland had a 59.4% QS percentage.

He only had a 12.5% CGSO percentage.

So the outcomes for 2011 were:

46.9% Basic QS (No CGSO)
12.5% CGSO
40.6% Below QS

So the most likely outcome is just a QS.

As a note, Derek Holland’s QS % is the same as Colby Lewis and Alexi Ogando. All three are 59%.

CJ and Harry were 68% and 67% respectively.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 1, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...

For the last 16 of Derek’s 32 starts this year (all in July, August & September) his QS % was 75.

12 out 16 starts were QS.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 1, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

One final note...

League average for QS % is 52.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 1, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Oct 1, 2011 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This.

I don’t care if Dutch gives up 6 ER, I just want to win this game.

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 1, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's no crying in baseball

at least not tonight for us. the Dutchstache is alive and well

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 1, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

We always score a lot of runs the day after we get shutout

So there’s that…

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Oct 1, 2011 2:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

who can forget when Cecil & the Jays ruined Newberg Night

the Twins would like to forget, what we did the next night

by Schoolly_D on Oct 1, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's to hoping I get drunk tonight because I'm celebrating...

Either way I’ll be drunk, but the kind of drunk I am is critical.

"high five for destroying that bunk bed with the sex"-TideNtexas

by bigtill2002 on Oct 1, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Headin out to the park.

Goooooooo Rangers!

please.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Oct 1, 2011 3:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Joey7Barton Joseph Barton
Kenny Powers is my sporting idol……..I live to emulate this man. #baseballgenius

by shroomer on Oct 1, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

So, Dutch

No pressure or anything, but if you don’t win, we’re probably screwed.
Offense, wake the fuck up.

by DrumsInTheDeep on Oct 1, 2011 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Approximately TWO hours till the first pitch!!

Gooo Rangers!!

"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 1, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope the Cards beat the Phillies.

After that, they can DIAF for all I care.

"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 1, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow...these fucking wild card teams.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe I just watched Berkman hit a 3 run bomb off Halladay in the 1st inning.

Off the fucking facing of the upper deck.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol Halladay

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 1, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Does this mean Halladay

isn’t an ace now?

"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH

by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 1, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

It's pretty quiet in here.

Is everyone at the game?

The lurker/poster formerly known as "ncrangerfan." I don't live in Hickory anymore....

by Midnight Sun on Oct 1, 2011 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone know what time the game starts?? heh.

"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker

by Mike E on Oct 1, 2011 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

6:07pm CDT

/you

"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH

by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 1, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Donald.

I was actually worried I wouldn’t get a real answer and someone would reply “Yes.” and act like it was something I would say.. heh.

"Look if you want a journalist hire a UT grad. If you want a doctor you pick a Baylor grad. If you need a vet you see an Aggie grad. And if you need a pizza you call a Tech grad." -BUBacker

by Mike E on Oct 1, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

TxStCa's was much better

Wish I’d a-thunk of it first.

"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH

by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 1, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the first pitch is thown

/you

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh...baseball on NBC. Whouldathunkit?

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding. Fuck TBS and TNT.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
"Holy God, I want to make out with that dong." - GhostofErikThompson (in response to a Nellie Cruz homer) 6/9/11

by TxStCa on Oct 1, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

fucking A

need Beltre to find his inner Juan Gonian goodness

"They have the internet on computers now?"

by Baseball North on Oct 1, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO CARDINALS!!

Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg

I bleed Ranger black and blue.

Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.

by BigGuns on Oct 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's go, motherfuckers!

I want blood. I want to bathe in their entrails. Someone pass me the Wild Turkey. It’s fucking time!!!!

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Oct 1, 2011 5:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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