Today's Third Outfielder -- A Poll
Game 2 of the World Series features a matchup between Colby Lewis for the Texas Rangers and Jaime Garcia for the St. Louis Cardinals.
Garcia starting presents an interesting dynamic for the Rangers, who have had seven "regulars" among their position players this postseason, and a rotating cast of characters in the third outfield spot (either left field or center field, with Josh Hamilton playing the position that the mystery third outfielder doesn't play) and the DH position.
With no DH in the N.L. park, we are left with just open spot, the third outfielder. Jaime Garcia is a lefthander, and Craig Gentry has been starting against most lefties this postseason.
However, Garcia does have a pretty significant reverse split this season...with a very effective changeup, he's neutralized righthanded hitters, and lefties have actually hit better against him this season, although for his career righthanders have a slight edge.
So the poll question for today...who would you like to see the Rangers run out there today as their third outfielder?
Cast your vote below...
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Gentry and it isn't close
We need Gentry in CF for Colby, anyways. Injured Hamilton in CF and Murphy in LF isn’t going to cut it.
I know this is a stupid thought
especially since Murphy struggles against LHP but what would happen if they gave Josh the night off and played Gentry in CF and Murph in left. I know its a long shot and Wash won’t do it so I’m asking this as a major what if? With Josh hurting so badly does it make us any weaker?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I was actually thinking the same thing.
It’d also (for those people who enjoy narratives) potentially give Hamilton a chance to be this generation’s Kirk Gibson.
Done.
Let’s see if it works. You gotta figure if Josh looks THAT bad after 5 days off, he’s toast. Against a LHP in cold weather? Why even subject him to that? It’s logical!
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
More or less logical than you expecting Ron Washington
to read your e-mail a few hours before game 2 of the World Series and making a lineup decision based on it?
That'd be hilarious
Interviewer: Ron, what made you decide to give Hamilton a night off, play Gentry in center and Murphy in left?
Wash: I got an e-mail from someone named 3Bagger. Thanks, dude.
-- Micah
"I don't want Loblaw buying me a whore. He has terrible taste in women." - Schultzy
by The Best Micah on Oct 20, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
was thinking the same thing
if it meant that Josh could get better for the home games, it might be worth it
I voted for Gentry
For his defense
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by Gay For Feliz on Oct 20, 2011 11:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I also think that all four of those guys will suck offensively
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by Gay For Feliz on Oct 20, 2011 11:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Gentry
for obvious reasons
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
His beard?
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by Gay For Feliz on Oct 20, 2011 11:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no question
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Why else would he playing baseball?
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by Gay For Feliz on Oct 20, 2011 11:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to know who voted for Moreland.
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by philkid3 on Oct 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll claim one of the votes because...
…I was feeling sorry for the guy because I like guys named Mitch…but 10 votes? awww hellllll nooooo
can't believe all these votes for Murph
we need Josh in left Gentry in CF and Cruz in right.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I can.
I had two friends, one in each ear, last night telling me ‘damn splits and matchups, Murphy’s the better hitter!’
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
meaning
there is some irrational (or perhaps ‘misplaced’ is a better word) Murphy love out there
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
i guess so...its damn infuriating.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'll admit to an irrational Murph love
He just seems like such a nice guy. I always get happy when he does well. (But I voted for Gentry)
A common refrain from people tweeting to me on Twitter has been...
…“matchups don’t matter in the playoffs, you need your best players out there.”
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 20, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
What, why would they suddenly stop mattering?
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Yes.
If Josh in going to keep playing despite the injury we need Gentry in center. I keep having this awful vision of Josh limping as he tries to get to a deep fly ball hit out there.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Gentry because Colby is pitching. Playing for a modest platoon advantage in the 8th spot of your lineup is silly when the difference in defensive skills is so significant.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I really don't think there's any question that it should be Gentry...
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Only German I ever want to see
in the future of this series is Dirk tossing out a first pitch.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
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While German has his faults, I’d love to see him deployed in a late-inning, pinch-running duties, if Gentry has already started. He’s been a heck-of-an-effective base stealer the last few years
Pinch runner?
No issues there. But in all fairness to him you cannot throw him out there when he has had so few AB this season if you have other options.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Torry
I’m betting that Wash, Coolbaugh and co. have a better sense of what Torry could have given them in that at-bat vs German than I do, so seeing as there’s not a definitive numbers advantage, this one didn’t kill me
Plus, German has a much better chance of beating out a bad-contact, infield hit than our back up catcher.
It's close between Murphy and Gentry
But i take Gentry just cause he’s Great Defender and will save some runs just in case we don’t score that many runs again.
Not every German in DFW is clutch.
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by Gay For Feliz on Oct 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Gentry, I guess
I think he’s an easy out, but Josh can barely run out there.
Murphy will pinch hit at some point anyway, and he has some good experience there
These make good pies.
by Thought_Experiment on Oct 20, 2011 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
Speaking of the OF, here's Cameron on Josh
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/josh-hamilton-should-not-be-hitting-third/
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
One of the things that is most maddening to me about this
is that they have Andrus in front of Hamilton. Andrus who is asked to bunt a lot. If we’re giving away outs, which I typically support anyways, I want them to be given away in front of the teams best hitters. Not in front of an injured Hamilton.
Makes some decent points
as much as we love Josh if he can’t hit then Ron has to admit that and figure out how to win without his bat. This is not a little league game where you are trying to boost someones self esteem.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
with all the Murphy votes...
why hasn’t anyone posted yet to justify this? who is voting for him?
Life is pain - we've got to scrape the joy from it every chance we get.
My guess?
his dad is voting as a guest user over and over again.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
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by Eric Prince on Oct 20, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It really is strange.
Maybe people know they have no justification for it, but their gut is informing their vote.
Gentry all the way. Made even more obvious by the fact that Hamilton is REALLY hurting.
because he is a better hitter than Gentry
He has been one helluva role player for us since he’s been here. They have been working him outside and getting some close calls on the edge. In the 3rd or 4th Inning with 2 on and 2 out, Murphy’s experience and ability at the plate gives him the edge for me over the split.
by corbsclinton on Oct 20, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's a great answer for that
or it would involve a lot of analysis regarding the type of hitters/pitchers that each has success with
No, particularly since Garcia's reverse splits aren't all that significant.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
My game 1 diatribe, maybe even in the wrong thread...
You just have to have a feel for the game. Ron does not. And maybe a bunch of others do not either. LaRussa does. Stats do lie. I want the better baseball players playing in the most meaningful baseball situations. Again, everybody, STATISTICS DO LIE.
This is why I wanted CJ to stay in last night, not Ogando, who only gave up runs last year out of the pen when he inherited runners, and who apparently can’t shake off a call for a 3rd consecutive fastball. CJ was battling and nailed the high fastball location to get strike 3 for the second out. He wasn’t all that shaky.
This is why I wanted Murph hitting last night, not Gentry. I trust in the “baseball playerness” of Murph.
Not gonna mention the poker game Ron lost to LaRussa on the German situation other than just mentioning it here. AJM was right on. He expected Dotel to come in and then get German the Decoy out. Ron cannot say that in the media as he would be playing his, wait for it…..Cards.
Give me Murphy, Josh, and Nellie in the OF tonight. But Moreland wouldn’t be far out of reach for me. I know he tries too hard to hit 600 foot jacks, but he reeks of baseball player. And no, I didn’t vote on Moreland!
Disappointing night last night. It will all turn around tonight.
Classic gritt argument
Used more words than people usually use on the gritt argument, though, so that’s … something
Uh...
A) The argument you should be making isn’t that C.J. should have been left out there, but that he should of pitched to Punto. Which, incidentally, is what everyone here thinks as well. And Ogando made a good pitch with two strikes, it just got hit. Shit happens.
B) “Baseball playerness” is a silly word, and certainly not one that should be used to bash Gentry, who is the definition of “baseball playerness”
C) Moreland reeks of a baseball player, ‘tis true. Normally he reeks of a below-average player, but recently he’s reeked of a shitty one. Reek, reek, it rhymes with weak.
The German thing is correct, though.
by Giant Space Ants on Oct 20, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Was wondering...
who would bite on my Ogando not coming in argument.
“Vast Segments” of this site in the middle of the season were done with Alexi when I said he was the most dominant pitcher on the team…
…because he “looked” like the best pitcher on the team.
side—————-mouth———————-side
by Buddy Smokes on Oct 20, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The correct call has been made
Game 2 lineup: Kinsler, 2b; Andrus, ss; Hamilton, lf; Young, 1b; Beltre, 3b; Cruz, rf; Napoli, c; Gentry, cf; Lewis, p.
over/under
on number of fastballs or breaking balls for strikes that Napoli sees?
that’s a heck of a bat to leave down there at the bottom of the lineup, followed by our light-hitting, defensive CFer and a pitcher
I sure hope Hamilton didn’t ask to stay in the 3-hole, b/c he’d have a better chance of getting a ring if he were batting further down, and Napoli was in the 3 or 4-hole …
Even with a runner on first
I think he’ll get pitched around. The only thing I like about Gentry starting is Murph off the bench for a PH.
(queue LaRussa walking out of dugout and tapping left hand)
Maybe then Murph can settle this split issue for us once and for all…
by corbsclinton on Oct 20, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions

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