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Saturday morning Rangers things

Today is the first day of the offseason.

The Rangers fell short.  They were up 3 games to 2, and headed back to St. Louis needing to win just one of the remaining two games to be the World Champs.  They had a 3 run lead in Game 6 with 6 outs to go.  They were 1 strike away from victory twice in Game 6.  And they couldn't close the deal.  

Its frustrating.  Its disappointing.  But it doesn't change the fact 2011 was a great year for the Rangers.

T.R. Sullivan's game story has quotes from the players about coming so close, only to fall short, that includes Adrian Beltre saying that the team lost the Series on Thursday, not yesterday.

Jeff Wilson says in his game story that the Rangers are "disappointed but proud," which sums it up pretty well.

Richard Durrett has his final "Rapid Reaction" of 2011.

Evan Grant writes that the bullpen cost the Rangers a shot at the 2011 title.

Jeff Caplan examines the 2 run, 0 hit fifth inning that was one of the tipping points last night.

There are two Ron Washington decisions the past two days that really stick in my mind.  The first was leaving Derek Holland in to face Allen Craig in the 8th inning of Game 6, rather than going to a rested and ready Mike Adams.  The second was walking David Freese intentionally in the fifth with runners on second and third and two outs, meaning that Scott Feldman, who was struggling with his command, had no margin of error when he was facing Yadier Molina.

A decision that was surprisingly controversial was starting Matt Harrison in Game 7 rather than Derek Holland.  A lot of folks seemed to think that was a mistake, and Chris Haft of MLB.com says that's a decision that has opened Ron Washington up to criticism.

While a lot of folks are acting like Holland was clearly the superior pitcher, the facts don't really bear that out.  Harrison had a 3.39 ERA in 2011, versus 3.95 for Holland.  Harrison had a 3.52 FIP in 2011, versus a 3.94 FIP for Holland.  And while Holland had been ahead of Harrison in the rotation in the first two postseason series, Holland's struggles in the first two rounds -- a 5.27 ERA and early exits in his starts, compared to a 4.22 ERA for Harrison -- had resulted in the two being flip-flopped for the World Series.

Several people on Twitter insisted that in a situation you have to go with the "hot hand," but I don't know that there's really anything to that argument.  I don't know that the fact that Holland was great in his last start means he had to go in Game 7 instead of Harrison.

If Washington had started Holland instead of Harrison in Game 7, that would have been fine.  I'm also fine with him starting Harrison over Holland.  The bottom line is that I don't know that one of them is clearly better than the other, which is why I don't think there's any reason for Wash to be ripped over this move.

Gil Lebreton writes that the pitching let the Rangers down yesterday.  And while that's true, the offense scored two runs, and went scoreless over the final 26 outs of the game.

Durrett has a column in which he says this loss is going to hurt for a long time.

While this year's loss was more emotion, Wash said after the game that he was proud of his club and that he considers them champions.

It looked like Nelson Cruz was going to have his ninth homer of the postseason last night, which would have set a single season postseason record, but Allen Craig robbed him at the wall.

Meanwhile, C.J. Wilson is a free agent.  Caplan has a story that includes questions and answers from Wilson yesterday about his impending free agency.

There's a vocal minority among fans who seem like they can't wait until Wilson is gone, who act like he's one of the problems with this team rather than one of the big reasons why they are the two-time A.L. champs.  Wilson may leave in the next few months.  He may get paid elsewhere more than the Rangers think he's worth.  But subtracting him from the team doesn't make the team better.

T.R. Sullivan says that the Rangers are well positioned to make another run in 2012, with every core player other than Wilson under team control for next year.

On the injury front, Josh Hamilton will be examined next week in Philadelphia by the doctor who performed the surgery on his abdominal muscle in 2009.

Mike Gonzalez tore the meniscus in his knee late in the season, but pitched through it in the playoffs, until it gave way last night.  Gonzalez, a free agent this offseason, will have surgery next week, and says that he'd like to come back to Texas next year.

Randy Galloway has a column that makes it clear that he doesn't think Rangers fans should enjoy baseball anymore.  He calls the team the "Gag Gang," says that this sort of loss scars a franchise, and suggests that the Rangers should be held to the same unrealistic standards that the Cowboys are, where anything short of a championship should be considered a failure.

Another writer made a similar comment last night on Twitter about how the Rangers should be held to those standards...my feeling on that is that, if you as a fan are going to view anything other than winning it all to be failure, you should probably find something new to occupy your time.

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so unbelievably meh right now.

still haven’t showered, I’m wearing mesh athletic shorts with the pockets turned inside out, flip-flops and no shirt……may go outside and mow the yard while smoking a cigarette.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't shake it.

My wife is excited that the season is over and today (outside of a couple of quick trips to the lab) will mainly be a day that we do all of the things she’s been wanting to do for a while…but I can’t bring myself to even fake smile and be happy about it.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sames. I finally just packed it off to the office to grade some papers and write recommendations.

At least there’s work to distract me from the thing I use to distract myself from work.

by other_shoe on Oct 29, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahah. So true. That's sig-worthy.
At least there’s work to distract me from the thing I use to distract myself from work.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aye

I am at work and barely doing a thing except LSB.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you liked it.

Though I must admit that like Rodney, I spent much of my time on LSB.

by other_shoe on Oct 29, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am about to shower now at 2 PM.

I just got home from my brother’s, where I spent the night because I was too drunk to drive. Bleh.

"We're going back." Ian Kinsler

by Melanie on Oct 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

This sounds like me. Except I haven’t showered yet.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with your last paragraph.

And…le sigh, my aching heart…

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Still bummed about the last two nights

But overall there really isn’t much, if anything us fans can complain about. This team provided us with one hell of a summer full of fun and excitement. I cant wait to be out at Opening Day 2012 and see another flag being raised showing our accomplishment of this year.

Bravo boys……..see ya in April

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

i don't think anyone says the team is better without wilson all together

this team can only be so good if he’s the “ace”. he’s in a tough spot b/c he’s being asked to be something he’s not.

by sam in so cal on Oct 29, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

You don't have to have an "ace" to win.

There’s only a handful of them in the league and Chris Carpenter isn’t one either.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also.. given how close we were to winning the World Series.

Even if your top pitcher struggles you can still win.

You can’t tell me this team was good enough to win. If we get one more out we’re champions… it’s not a question of not being good enough or asking someone to be something they are not if you get that close.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

right... you can still win even if your top pitcher struggles (see the texas rangers for three rounds of the playoffs)

that doesn’t mean that you purposefully disadvantage yourself and force the team to win in spite of their number one pitcher. did he help this team win a single game of the six he pitched?

play it all again, maybe they don’t get past tampa. maybe they don’t get past detroit. maybe they win it all. who knows what the luck dragons have in store. that said, the number one pitcher should be an advantage and he wasn’t.

the team was 2-4 in games he pitched (2-3 in games he started) and neither of those wins were because him.

29 hits in 28 innings and 19 walks doesn’t scream “I got this”

8-3 when your ace doesn’t pitch, 2-4 when he does. you can’t say “it ain’t broke” with regard to wilson just b/c the rangers made it to game 7

by sam in so cal on Oct 29, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair.

I’m not saying don’t improve. Or that you shouldn’t want an Ace. I’d love one.

Just clarifying that it wasn’t an issue of “You can’t win a World Series if you ask CJ to be your Ace because he isn’t.”

Your statement of “This team can only be so good” is accurate… but that level of good is good enough to win a veritable shit ton. I wouldn’t mind better… but the Rangers were an elite team with CJ. Best in franchise history.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't disagree with you

he’s a better number two behind _________________. cliff lee’s not walking through that door (but kudos to the rangers for trying last offseason). i get it. that said, the rangers need to pry a genuine ace out of somewhere.

i’ll even say this: the rangers with beltre at 3rd and CJ in the #1 slot were probaly better than lee #1, wilson #2 and MY at 3rd.

BUT… if they want to get better (maybe i’m being greedy), get a more effective #1

by sam in so cal on Oct 29, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not one who thinks the team will be better WITHOUT C.J...

However, I think there’s something to say about the leader of your entire pitching staff being a headcase and risking that being something that rubs off on the rest of your staff. The pitching all year seemed to go as C.J. went and that was no different in the World Series outside of Holland. C.J. let the moment get to him all postseason and it finally caught up with the rest of the staff who couldn’t throw a good pitch to save their lives. The Rangers need a rock at the top of their staff to provide some leadership. I think that should be priority #1 for Daniels this off season. Darvish may be a great sign if we get him, but he’s not going to be “that guy” either. He may need to trade for a TORP like Grienke as well. Trade a Harrison+ package for Grienke and go Grienke, Darvish, Ogando, Holland, and Feliz next season.

by texaschief on Oct 29, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm over it already. Nothing hurt worse than game 6.

Thanks LSB for teaching my stuff about baseball. Now I sound like an expert instead of a total newb.

Go Rangers. Next year will rock.

Dallas Stars: Better than your hockey team
Chelsea FC - GO BLUES!

by ArchLobster on Oct 29, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

same here.......great season lets do this next year

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM

by shock00 on Oct 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fantastic last two paragraphs

maybe since Rangers fans shouldn’t enjoy anything Galloway will stop writing about them, but no I’m sure will get more tired, uniformed, cliche, bullshit from him.

Great work this morning AJM.

My laughter is more important than quality metaphors.

by Cav0 on Oct 29, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Galloway is a heartless, cold old corpse.

I hate him.

Dallas Stars: Better than your hockey team
Chelsea FC - GO BLUES!

by ArchLobster on Oct 29, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think i'm more fond of my turds than Galloway

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM

by shock00 on Oct 29, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

They probably have more personality.

And more knowledge of the sport of baseball.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

Pressure? If there’s any pressure it’s the pressure pressurizing the panty cannon.

by Atticus F on Oct 29, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say Galloway could suck me

but I don’t want that dessicated corpse anywhere near me.

"Can the Rangers nail down a title with Derek Holland in Game 6? Not even close ..." -- Randy Galloway, 10/13/11

by CrustytheCowboy on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just read the Galloway article

That’s like really bad. Good golly that’s a fucking pile of vomited calf shit.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 3:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

lol

With a description like that I have to read it now.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Randy Galloway further proves that he is a complete idiot

What a shock.

"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking

by TRanger on Oct 29, 2011 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

RG is quickly joining the ranks of writers to be ignored completely

too bad he’s not locked behind a “paywall”

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you mean to type "EG"?

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, I just had an excellent Halloween Krispy Kreme.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mmmmm

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, what!

I thought he was already as bad as Gerry Fraley?

I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing

by chrisR on Oct 29, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Randy Galloway can get fucked...

I refuse to let a moron determine how I feel about this thing.

"high five for destroying that bunk bed with the sex"-TideNtexas

by bigtill2002 on Oct 29, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, AJM

One of the worst parts of losing is watching much of the media pile on this Rangers team. Seems unjust, as they’re a great team and, I think, a very likable team (which was acknowledged yesterday by a non-Rangers fan in Posnanski)….

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

didn't read the EG article

but I put more blame on the SPs then the bullpen. The starters pretty much sucked the whole postseason

by RangerMad on Oct 29, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

The starters share some of the blame for the bullpen running out of steam near the end.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

If the starters had been able to go deeper than five innings in the ALDS and ALCS, the bullpen wouldn’t have been so tired for the WS.

-- Micah

"When it comes to my dong I’m a selfish prick." - MikeEl

Baseball Is My Boyfriend
Unabashedly Me

by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one that I can't forget

Is bunting Elvis in the first. I know we are all numb to it by now, but it was a bad idea at tge time that looks even worse in hindsight.

Last night (and this series) was partly due to Luck Dragons, but it is also partly due to our manager bringing out his knives for a gunfight.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Cant really blame them

After the emotional toll game 6 put on them its reasonable for them to still be in a bit of a daze less than 24 hours later. Although I would have thought that the early runs would have snapped them out of it, once Carpenter got rolling they couldn’t shake it

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harry was fine for the first two hitters,

Then he became afraid to throw strikes. Wonder what would have happened if he had gotten Pujols in the first.

by RangerMad on Oct 29, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

A shutdown inning that bottom of the 1st could have done so much for the teams morale and erase the previous nights nightmares.

But I could easily see how they go out and once again lose the lead in the first how it could all feel like deja yu over again

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

the pitchers were such pussies

in this series. they were pitching around every hitter. that’s not how you win games.

by meet the plastics on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The DMN blog is over there --->

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the entire team

But as Joey Matches pointed out…

[* With Carpenter on the ropes in the first inning last night, Adrian Beltre strode to the plate and proceeded to futilely whiff on three pitches in one of the most non-competitive plate appearances of the night. Hours later, he told MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan: “We all know we lost the [World] Series yesterday. We shouldn’t have let it slip away. We came back today to try to win it, but the momentum just took them and they won it. It’s not a nice feeling.” I don’t know whether to be disappointed in Beltre’s apparent resignation before the game was even played (particularly when he had a perfect opportunity to blow the doors off the game), or horrified by the fact that this resilient group pf players finally ran into something that it just couldn’t overcome.]

Writer for Defending Big D

by Brandon Bibb on Oct 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defending momentum

This is what I’m talking about. If Beltre really believed that, then he’s maybe not as mentally strong as some assume all ballplayers are.

If that mindset he spoke to increased the chance of some of his embarrassing swings yesterday (albeit, not atypical swings by Beltre), then the mental side of the game certainly played a force.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How many times has someone claimed "momentum" and suddenly everything changes.

And then you hear, “They’ve taken back the momentum!!”

Momentum if awfully flimsy considering how often it changes back and forth over and over again over the course of a season.

It’s like a tether ball match except it’s so easy to bat the ball the other way.

Momentum is a word people use to describe things that have already happened in a simple way. It’s silly.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think of momentum like clutch

it probably exists, but its effect is small enough that we shouldn’t waste time worrying about it.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops.

Attempting the bunt in the first and then actually going through with it in the 5th.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I cannot disagree more.

He ended up getting on with a base hit, and Kinsler slipped trying to get back to first. The easily could have been three runs instead of two, and that meant, the Rangers would have lost since they didn’t get a hit after Carpenter. If Carpenter is the Cardinal Ace, and I didn’t see another Cardinal starter that indicated that he wasn’t, trying to manufacture a run may be necessary strategy. Take your shots at at Wash, and realize that J.D. probably has as solid of a grasp of stats as anyone, and then calculate the odds on him firing Washington because he will “bring out his knives for a gunfight.” The odds are damn close to nil!

by Philar on Oct 29, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Gonzalez

I hope he’s back next year. I was really impressed with his work throughout the playoffs and last night especially. It was tough to him try to pitch through the pain on a hurt knee, but I really admired his dedication.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

orly?

I’m going to have to look that up.

Run if you intend you survive,
For the beast is coming to life.

by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 29, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just to be certain...

If my expectations of the Rangers were that of my expectations of the Cowboys, the Rangers never would have won the West.

"high five for destroying that bunk bed with the sex"-TideNtexas

by bigtill2002 on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

i might get shit for this

but i thought using feliz in game 6 was shortsighted and stupid. he had a habit of putting people on base and was lucky to be helped out by bad baserunning in game 5. i just don’t understand how anyone could feel confident in him facing the middle of the order for the second or third time. what followed his appearance was some of the most incompetent bullpen management and pitching strategies — like intentionally walking pujols before pitching to berkman from his left — i’ve ever seen. why the hell was mike adams used so sparingly? why didn’t michael gonzalez make an appearance until the end of game 7? this series was the perfect storm of bad management, bad umpiring, bad michael young, and bad luck.

by meet the plastics on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

i'm not going to even honor this w/ a response

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM

by shock00 on Oct 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only misuse of Feliz I saw was not bringing him out for the 10th.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

It sounds like Feliz was shell shocked, though. I wonder if Washington and Maddux realized he wasn’t mentally right and didn’t want to send him back out there.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could buy that if they said it; I would just hope, if asked, they wouldn't say something like

they wanted him available for Game 7.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know they would never say anything like that though

Theres no way Wash or his staff would ever say “the guy was too messed up in the head to go back out there”

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's part of his greatness, no?

I like the defiant, put-the-blame-on-me attitude that Wash had in the postgame presser.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like that too. The writer's ned to be smarter about interpreting things if DFW is

going to be a baseball literate town.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Silve lining?

Maybe the experience will convince Feliz he doesn’t want to be a closer any more and he can focus on getting ready for the starting rotation next season.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

Hopefully Neffy doesn’t let this meltdown linger with him all winter and into next year. Hopefully he uses this as motivation to continue improving and comes back next year better than ever.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on

Oliver gave up a lucky-as-shit hit from John Jay and then induced an awful, awful bunt from Lohse. The Rangers caught some really bad breaks that inning. If that bunt is popped up anywhere else it is at least 2 outs. I think Oliver did a fine job it just didn’t work out.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

EG article blaming RP and those who suggest Wash's questionable moves are to blame are off base on who lost the series.

We all saw the misplayed ground balls by Young and Elvis, and the misplayed line drive by Cruz. That’s about 4 chances to put the clamps on the game or completely end it.

Not surprising the EG doesn’t point a finger at Young, but also extremely disingenuous.

Sure, Ron had a couple of questionable calls, which can be debated, but again, the players literally had the game in their hands and should shoulder the blame for dropping the ball.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

As “bad” as Wash’s management was in game 6 he still had his team with a 2 run lead going into the bottom of the 9th and our star closer on the mound.

That should have been enough to put it away but the players on the field didn’t get it done

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

star closer?

he’s like brian wilson. he walks a bunch of hitters and gets lucky every now and then.

by meet the plastics on Oct 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Young was on the bench when it was 7-4 and we needed only 6 outs.

He was also on the bench in the 10th inning when we had a two-run lead and needed only 3 outs against 8,9 hitters and the pitcher.

He didn’t play well in Game 6 but he wasn’t a factor when The Abortions happened.

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by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't have 7-4 without his miscues.

I’m surprise Elvis hasn’t gotten more heat for non-play in the 8th.

dear god, what am i about to do here?

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a lot of blame to share for Game 6.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Game 6 was a team effort.

Lots of blame to go around.

"Can the Rangers nail down a title with Derek Holland in Game 6? Not even close ..." -- Randy Galloway, 10/13/11

by CrustytheCowboy on Oct 29, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the worst baseball games I have ever witnessed.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is absolutely true!

Holland gives up a home run in the eighth, and if he doesn’t give up that run, the Rangers win. All sorts of plays, all sorts of opportunities failed on, just take your choice or choices. And that’s the nature of a high scoring close baseball game. One run, one out, one extra strike….and “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts……:”

by Philar on Oct 29, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are so many moments in the series where we can look back and say what if this happened instead.

But there’s no use harping on it. We can’t go back in the time and change it.

The Rangers lost and we have to accept that.

I’m always gonna love the Rangers and it won’t always be easy, but this team has far exceeded expectations and there is no reason to think they can’t continue to win pennants and contend for World Series titles.

Go get ’em next year, boys.

by mizzou918 on Oct 29, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Third time’s a charm?

-- Micah

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got felt goatees, if anyone wants one.

Opening the portal to Earth Prime in just a few hours. Don’t miss it.

by DrumsInTheDeep on Oct 29, 2011 11:19 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I gave them back to the group

and they found substitutes. No worries

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

So...who the heck is the 1st baseman next year?

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Mitch trims up off season

and learns how to shorten/level his swing

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

IDK, but the ESPN board has found the Rangers ace:
SWATxRangers11
I say trade Moreland and others for Josh Johnson- he’s coming off injuy, so his price will be lower, and he’s locked up for at least two years

Story on CJ’s FA with lots of stupid comments

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember during 2010 when we wanted to give up the farm to get Johnson?

Then he was shut down in September last year and barely pitched this year?

Pass.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even for Moreland!?

I agree giving up Moreland really, really, really hurts this team, but, you’re right, Johnson is broken goods. /sarcasm (playing along with the silly thought process in that post)

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why you think I'm taking this idea seriously.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

heh

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

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by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh wow.

lmao

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by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder

8 years/ 200 million

Opt out after 4 years

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope...fangraphs had an article yesterday about how fat bastards age.

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by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dont care

He would be a dynamic middle of the order batter in this ballpark. And his national appeal would allow the Rangers to absorb the PR hit when we dont extend Josh past 2012.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Dont care about some graph that apparently is gospel for how “big” guys age.

Prince is a big guy but he has never had injury concerns, plays a position that doesn’t require you to be fleet of foot, and profiles offensively to absolutely murder at this ballpark with our RF and jet stream.

That graph has no breakdown of players position, injury concerns/history, or anything else that could be a difference maker is how he performs

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

how is Prince's glove?

just curious

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"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Horrible

Rates near the bottom in UZR the past two seasons.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

UZR has never liked him

but I believe he is a good picker

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of this WS

1B defense is not very high on my priority list.

Especially when the offense being provided by that guy is Prince level

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

1B defense isn't a big deal

As long as you can play adequately the team will be fine. I’d take the lack of range for that bat. Anything would be better than what we saw at first this playoffs.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be an upgrade over what is there now.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that graph is more meaningful than a fan's* opinion

Prince might age well. All the graph suggests is that it is less likely that he would than a similar player who was not as large.

I trust that the Rangers decision makers will make their decision regarding his aging curve with a more thorough analysis.

In my opinion, the idea that they would offer him 8 years (regardless of opt out) is laughable.

*i.e. yours

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you struggle so much with the concept

of using new, better, yet still incomplete data? That graph did not say “Prince Fielder will get hurt” or “Prince Fielder will suck”. What it did say is that bigger guys seem to tail off more quickly. There are reasons to think it may not affect Fielder as much, but to dismiss the ‘new’ data out of hand is silly.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not dismissing it entirely

But im also not using it as reason to not go after Prince.

Prince has enough outliers that I dont believe that graph is a good representation of his ability going forward. Those being his injury history, his talent level, his position, and the ballpark he would be moving into.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
No

Dont care about some graph

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice job cutting off my comment
Dont care about some graph that apparently is gospel for how "big" guys age.

And then I went on to point out the outliers I believe affect the Prince decision but i guess since you just read that first couple words and then sawe I was the one who posted it you had to jump to conclusions. Its ok not the first time

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I read the whole thing.

I agree that your evidence provide weight to the argument that Prince can be the exception, but I disagree with you rejecting the graph out of hand. Maybe Prince can be predicted to break the projection, but at least realize what he’s having to overcome.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Precisely.

One can almost always find a way to explain away something like that…

But to discount it entirely is foolish.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said you didn't care about the graph.

and sarcastically called it apparently gospel.

The implication was that you gave it almost no weight in your analysis.

To flip flop now is disingenuous.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said I didn't care for a graph

That people, specifically Josey who i replied to, are using as apparent gospel for how big guys age/perform. That was the only reason Josey gave for not wanting to sign Prince.

If I didn’t care at all about the graph I wouldn’t have given the reasons I dont believe the graph to be the tell all stat for big guys.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh-oh, storm brewing here...

Because, um, you are “a” graph, are you not?

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

graph nerdz

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing with that graph

Is I’m not sure we’ve seen too many bigger guys that compare well to Prince.

Prince has never sustained a single injury that kept him out of games, and he’s far more talented than most of the other big guys he’s been comp’ed to.

I’m not saying he’ll age well. I’m just saying that it’s tough to be confident in any conclusions using that chart because Prince is so easily distinguishable.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

One other thing...

if keeping someone off the field helps them stay a little healthier, unless your name is Michael Young, Wash makes sure you get a day off here and there.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Beltre.

Before Beltre got hurt he had played in every single game. If he didn’t start he pinched hit. Wash has said that Young and Beltre are hard to sit… they both want to play every day and will push for that.

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by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's the case.

It would be one thing if we were dealing with the nebulous ‘how much has a pitcher been used’ concept, which too my knowledge doesn’t have much in the way of medical understanding backing it up. There is plenty of medical knowledge regarding why being overweight/obese is bad for you and ways it can cause you to break down.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure it's the case, either

I’m just pointing out the distinctions.

Many of the comps re: overweight players that are thrown out show players that were injured over and over throughout their entire career.

Thus far, Prince has been a freak when it comes to the injury front. I think there’s a chance he rolls out another 4 or 5 healthy seasons, with only a couple injuries and good production, and we look back and talk about those distinctions.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not as confident.

That graph gave voice to my concerns based on medicine/physiology. It’s not just that I worry about things like diabetes and what not, which he could probably avoid because he does still train and what not, but it’s concerns about things like knee cartilage, etc, that we see in bigger guys later on even after a healthy career (see: NFL linemen).

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's my worry as well.

He’s been really healthy for a big guy thus far in his career. He carries a lot of weight on that frame though and I’m really concerned with how his legs continue to hold up into the future. I know he’s pretty athletic for his size but 4 years from now when he’s into his 30s and still carrying that much weight will his legs hold up? I’m not confident in that.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

VOTTO

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if he changes his last name

To “Vato,” so the Rangers can capitalize on the Hispanic market.

Insert obligatory “that’s racist” image here…

"A guy opens his door and gets shot, you think that of me? No, I am the one who knocks."

by RCCook on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned about the pitching at the moment

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"building up SP"?

What do you mean?

As of now we have Colby who at worst should be a guy who gives you 200+ innings of MORP.

Holland and Harrison are young guys who improved a ton this year and should get better next year

Ogando is the big question mark IMO. How does this years inning spike affect him. He was horrible in the WS. Dont know whether that is a blip on the radar or if its the tip of the iceberg.

Our minors depth is good so really just either re-sign CJ and we should be fine I think. I dont know really how much weight to put on this last month when they gave us 6 months of great performance during the regular season

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Need an ace to stay ahead of Halos, and improve WS chances.

Offense is largely intact, could be improved with a 1B, but pretty much elite as is.

RP is in pretty good shape. It would be nice to add another arm there, but the volatility of RP means it could be added in a number of ways or come from within.

SP is deep in #2/#3. Need an Ace.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you be willing to trade top prospects to get an Ace?

Because that’s pretty much the only way we’re going to get one. Unless you want to throw obscene money at CC.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the ace, depends on the prospects

wish we’d been able to get Dan Haren in 2010…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a heartbeat. I wanted the Rangers to trade top prospects of Greinke the past 3 years.

The Lee trade was awesome, and I was totally on board with losing Smoak even before the deal was announced.

I’ve always been willing, much more than others on the board, to send top prospects away for an ace.

What ace can be had, though?

Of the top 25 WAR SP in 2011, only Garza, CJ, and Greinke are either FA or have one year left on their contract.

Roy Oswalt is out there. Mark Buehrle is out there. Francisco Liriano is entering his expensive arb years. Maybe Matt Cain, who I think is in the last year of his contract. Maybe John Danks who is hitting his expensive arb years.

That’s about it.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

David Price

Arb eligible for the first time for a TB franchise that doesn’t like arb guys

TB has a shitload of young pitchers already in the majors or ML ready

It’ll be expensive but he’ll be under team control for 4 more years

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would require a TON of prospects.

A power lefty potential Ace, under team control for 4 years? That might wipe out this farm system.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would take higher and lower level guys.

It would require a total overpayment of prospects and even then I don’t know if they’ll trade him just yet.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And depending on the package

I could get behind such a huge deal given Prices talent and amount of team control.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 years of team control for Kershaw vs 4 for Price

if im selling the farm its for the guy with more team control

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither will happen

But I’d rather have Kershaw.

1. He’s the better pitcher.

2. I’d MUCH rather trade with the Dodgers than with the Rays.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on 2

Although I dont know exactly how much better Kershaw is than Price.

Price has been putting up his numbers already in the AL and in the AL East whereas Kershaws numbers have been put up in the NL and specifically the NL West which has some serious pitcher parks.

Both are stud pitchers no doubt but I would rather go for the guy I can be more sure of expectations and under control longer

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they were willing to give up the farm for a guy like Kershaw

I’m pretty sure they’d figure out a way to lock him up past just the years of team control.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not (at least not right away).

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kershaw has the higher ceiling.

And you could argue the Dodgers are in more of a position to sell.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Tampa really knows how to maximize team control of a player

Still bitter we didn’t do something with Elvis to make him a Super 2 this year instead of a 3 year arb guy

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

How would Super 2 be better than 3 year arb?

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Elvis only has 3 more years of team control

Price has 4.

Difference is about 2 weeks worth of ML service time

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I was under the impression that Super 2 just meant they went to arbitration a year earlier than normal guys. I didn’t realize it gave them 1 extra year of control.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Super 2 is for the top 20% of guys with less than 3 years of service time

they get 4 arbitration years rather than the standard 3.

Elvis, since he started 2009 in the majors and has never been sent down, is at 3.000 years of service time and thus after 2014 will be a FA with 6.000 years of service time.

Price, due to Tampas handling of him, is at 2.164 years of service time and wont be a FA until after 2015 with 6.164 years of service time.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does Price only have 2.164 years of service time?

He has the 2 years from the last 2 seasons. How did he only get .164 between 2009 and 2008. He had 5 appearances in 2008 ad started 23 games in 2009. I know it has to do with number of days on the roster, not the number of appearances. Does .164 stand for 164 days on the active roster?

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Same way Evan Longoris only has 2.170 when he has been in the majors non-stop since mid April 2009. those ~2 weeks he spent in the minors when Elvis was in the majors is the difference between being a FA after 2014 and 2015.

of course TB made that a moot point by locking him up to a long term deal within days of debuting but the point still stands

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think 180 or 182 days

Somewhere around there.

Theres other little rules regarding it but generally for each day spent in the majors, or on the DL, you get a day of service time.

Super 2 status usually falls somewhere around 2.150 days although I believe last year it was down around 2.130

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Thanks for the clarification.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see the Rangers going hard after Oswalt...

if they can’t bring back BGL or get Darvish.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay with Oswalt

but I’m worried about the cost and how it plays against any other moves the FO decides to make? His injury history scares me for them to depend on him as a front of the rotation type for any number of years.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oswalt I think wants to be a Ranger

he was on the radio pregame this year when they played Phil and was just glowing about the Rangers team and said he thought he was being traded there.

I’d love him on a 1Y deal, freeing up a starter to deal. I think someone will give him 2, though (DET, LAAAAAAAA)

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take him for 2,

but I’m wary of the AAV.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Not interested unless he’d take less money.

by LiamP on Oct 29, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas would seemingly have an advantage here, though, no?

Given his previously stated goals of wanting to be close to home and playing for a contender?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, obviously $$$ comes first,

but it’s a pretty intriguing option.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure $$ comes first

He’s often talked of retiring early. I think there’s a chance he considers himself rich enough.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Oswalt would be a #3 in the AL.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No idea.

Presumably so but who knows what FAs think.

by LiamP on Oct 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay...

with something like 2/20 with some incentives.

I’d have to think that he’d seriously consider that too.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You see how much he made last year?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh $16m?

That’s a shitload of money for him. I would definitely be fine with 2/20 if they could get him for that but I’m not sure he’d sign for that. I do like his BB/9 numbers for this rotation though.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ghetto-

Noticed your comment re: activities with the wife.

Looks like you guys are really out n’ about doing the things she wanted to do, eh?!

Just kiddin’ ya…

(I can just look in the mirror: I’m supposed to be either working or spending time with the fam…)

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the lab right now waiting for buffer to chill and equilibrate.

Should only be a few minutes now.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillies have other issues.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...

but he’s also 34 and couldn’t stay healthy.

While his hits per 9 went way up and his strikeouts per 9 went down. He’s not getting 15 or 16 mil a year.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me retract that...

he could get 15 or 16 mil, but it would be with incentives.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that last part.

But I’m not sure I want him at 2/27 either.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it...

and as much as I love BGL, I think Oswalt might be a better fit for this team.

Would you rather have Oswalt for 2/24 or BGL for 5/80? I think Oswalt can be a solid #2 as well.

The Rangers already have two young lefties who took huge steps forward this year. Guys who I think can at least be solid #3’s going forward, and I don’t want to see either of those guys dealt away. Plus you have Perez who I think will be knocking on the door by 2013.

Then you have to decide if Ogando and Feliz are going to be starters or in the ’pen, Neil Ramirez could be a decent back end of the rotation guy and take over for Lewis after 2012.

I don’t think Oswalt or BGL are #1’s, but I don’t see that option available unless you give CC 175 mil, and hell no to that.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably BGL for 5/80.

Especially if signing Oswalt doesn’t also get me Yu.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty big ceiling there.

Low floor, too, but at $100M I probably take the chance.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I trust the Rangers front office and scouts...

if they think he’s worth that and are willing to give him that kind of $ to bring him here then I’ll be excited.

But I’m also going to be cautiously optimistic. He’s such a wild card imho.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think HE will get 100M,

but it sounds like it will cost the team that gets him that much.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, that's a nice racket.

Don’t those kickballers in Europe do the same type thing?

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed, they do.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oswalt

I’d probably pass. He’s more of a mid-rotation guy now, and has health issues.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The health issues do concern me.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ace

I give to you David Price

Still my wild card for trade acquisition this winter

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you joking?

Do you realize what they’d want for him?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I realize it

Most likely a mixture of lower and upper level guys and depending on exactly what that entailed I would be fine given hes under team control for 4 more years

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone who trades with the Rays gets fucked by them.

Everyone. He’s not worth what they would ask.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have faith in JD that he wouldn't get completely fucked

If TB hits on a couple lottery tickets in three years due to the deal so be it. Its one thing to have that happen when you only trade for 2 months or a year and a half of a player but to get a player with 4 years of control left you are gonna pay a steep price. Im comfortable with that given Price’s talent level and age

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way JD doesn't get completely fucked in a deal for David Price

isn’t not making one in the first place. There is no deal that we could make that wouldn’t purge the farm system and put us in a complete win-now mode.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you got Price

That would mean 4/5 of your rotation (Price, Holland, Harrison, Ogando) would all be under team control for at least 3 years.

If most of the lower level talent you give up is pitching I believe 3 years is more than enough time to restock the farm before needing too many re-enforcements again.

would it cost a ton to get him…..yes
would it hurt our farm system……absolutely
but do I believe it could get done where it doesn’t hurt our major league team for at least the next 2 years if not 3……yes I do

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rays think they can win now, so to get their best pitcher, you're going to have to make it worth them lessening their chances to win.

David Price is the absolute worst starter you could target given his team’s situation, their management, and how those two things affect what they’re going to want.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping you or Firebat would see this.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you can always sign Dave Bush to give you quality start after quality start.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of pitching concerns

What do you make of Ogandos horrific WS?

Simply out of gas? Innings catching up to him?

Does this affect him next year or affect your expectations of him next year?

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, not really

I am more concerned about him developing a third pitch than about the additional playoff fatigue.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Short series; guys hit bumps; some teams are bad matchups.

He stunk against the Yankees, too, during the regular season.

Unless his arm is broken, he’s an expected member of the SP next season.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he ran out of gas

He pitched FAR MORE innings this season than he ever has before. He’ll be fine.

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was out of gas...

but we thought that at the end of the regular season too, and then he went out and had a great first two rounds in the playoffs.

I’m really not sure right now. I do know that he’d be in my rotation next year though, and I’m still hoping he can find a 3rd pitch.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understandably

If not Ceej, then who? Yu or trade? Personally, I would rather ‘just’ spend the money than trade assets.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Initial take:

Pay Yu and CJ, trade a starter for an elite, cheap, young 1B.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Something like Holland for LoMo?

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holland seems like too much.

I threw out Harrison-Moreland-NeRam the other day, and I think we all felt it was a little heavy. Given how fans generally overrate their own prospects, though, that’s probably close to what it would cost.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woah

That would be 150mil or so in contracts, you think?

Feldman, +, +? (wishful thinking)

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, Feldman goes back to being the 6th man.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And odds are, we don't get a full season out of all 5 starters this year

That was extremely flukey. You need your #6 for many starts almost all years.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Not that we did this year..

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

With you on that. I want to believe the Rangers have the money to do this.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Yu deal throws a monkey wrench into my/most team salary projections.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a good plan

I’m a little weary about throwing out ~ $170M for a 32 year old pitcher and a Japanese convert.

If the scouts thought he was a sure thing, I’d trust them, though.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is where I am with the Darvish thing

A $100 million gamble seems steep.

But what if he is a 4-5 WAR pitcher for 5 years? Then he’s a bargain…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's where I trust the Rangers scouts

As well, the increased exposure in Japan might make the deal a bargain even if Darvish isn’t that kind of player.

Basically, if the Rangers get him, I trust it will be for the right reasons, but if the miss out, I’ll believe it’s because they don’t think he’s worth whatever he gets.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the impression that

ownership will treat the posting fee portion of chasing Darvish as a separate cost from payroll? Or will that be “built in” to the overall budget for payroll next season and moving forward if they go get him?

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a lump sum... they'll put in their budget some how.

But it doesn’t affect luxury tax and wouldn’t be listed on any payroll measure like USA Today or Cot’s

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I was curious about that. As vfn just mentioned below, I do wonder if that TV deal money will be a major factor in what moves Ninja makes this offseason.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

this is where that ever-so-mysterious TV Bonus money would come in handy.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if this is where some of the up front money

from that TV deal comes in handy.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect that was used up quickly

To renovate the park (video and sound) and deal with bankruptcy & debt issues.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the price tag on the ballpark stuff

was something like $12-15M

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one knows how big the up front payment was.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there is a little urgency to spend some of the TV money

before others ink new TV deals and have similar (or greater) funds available…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keri had an article suggesting that very thing a month or so ago.

It’s not my money, so I’m all for spending tremendous amounts.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine they will factor it into the budget for the next several years

Pro-rate it out over the length of his deal and even though it wont count toward any official numbers it will be accounted for.

I dont think one of the Bobs is just gonna open his checkbook and say “this ones on me guys”

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoah hole doube post SBN

It cut off the rest of my comment

I think they will pro-rate it over the length of his deal and even though it wont be considered for any of the “official” payroll numbers it will be accounted for and likely affect payroll

I dont believe one of the Bobs will just open his checkbook and say “this ones on me boys”

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

$100M

How come this tag has been thrown out, considering everyone considers him to be better than Dice K, younger than Dice K, and we are 4 years later (spending has increased)

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Largely, because some people look at Dice K as the bubble busting

as he largely failed over here.

As many good words as you hear, there will still be people in baseball and teams that will be wary because of Dice K.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know

 I have no real reason behind using $100m. I’ve got no clue, really.

Sub in $125M if you’d prefer… Dice K: 50 posting + 50 for 6 years.

I wonder how many years Darvish will sign for. 4-6, I suppose…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless the contract is worded uniquely

Yes, yes you would.

Similarly, Martin will still be under Rangers control when his deal expires.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of Japanese players have it in their contracts they become FAs after their initial contract

of course given Darvish’s age I doubt that would fly for whatever team does in fact sign him. they will want their full 6 years of team control

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

What have been the contract lengths of all the other pitchers who have come over?

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dont know

But most dont come over until later in their careers and are older. Yu being the age he is whatever teams signs him will want to have their full control over him I imagine

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that "what if" logic can justify any player

I’m very pro-Darvish and would be giddy if we acquired him.

It’s just hard to not look at the BoSox with Lackey and Dice-K and not be afraid of a similar fate for these two

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching Darvish pitch last night...

I’m fine with $100m commitment to a 25 year old pitcher with that stuff and command.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense intended at all

but a non-scout watching one game pitched against Japanese hitters should hardly be a basis for confidence.

If you’re a Darvish homer, there’s nothing wrong with that—me too. He looked great last night. I juust wouldn’t act like that is rationale.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well... I don't have the Rangers check book.

My opinion means nothing.

But I saw a pitcher that hit his spots, threw 95-96, had a sharp late breaking slider and a nice curve.

Great movement on his fastball too.

Scouts have done nothing but rave about him… his stuff reminded me of Felix.

My point is that if the Rangers DO end up having a $100m commitment for him… I’m not going to have any issue with it.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could say the same thing about Holland after one of his starts.

And I wouldn’t give him $100M +

The scouts part is legitimate, which is why I love and covet him.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before I read your post, I had the same thought re: Holland

That being said, if the scouts say he’ll be a top 10-15 pitcher by year 2 or 3 of his deal, then I’ve got no problem with 100-120m.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not so much that seeing him last night was all that was needed.

More that the opposite didn’t happen… if I watched him throw and it looked shitty with weak stuff I would be nervous about getting him.

That’s still too small of a sample and still an untrained eye… my point is that WOW… that dude can throw. I would love to watch that 40 times a year for the Rangers.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he looses 2-3mph with an American baseball

But still…

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have read many times that the balls are slightly different

Japanese baseballs are a bit smaller and therefore lighter to a very small degree.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

They changed baseballs last offseason

not sure if the dimensions have changed, but in previous years, different club would use baseballs made by different companies – there was not a “standard” baseball previously.

by Telegraph on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

less hair too

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I’ve read it, too. There may be something at FanGraphs about it…

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I’d be curious to know how drastic of a change it makes for guys coming over.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, 6 days vs 5

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Japanese pitchers also don't have to face stacked lineups

like the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, etc. How good would any replacement level pitcher in the MLB look pitching against perhaps a sub-Mariners level lineup for an entire season?

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not how this works and you know it.

Yu basically represents a well-performing, well-thought of AAA prospect right now. How much he is worth depends on your team’s situation at the time, but it’s certainly significant.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I just can't imagine putting down all my chips

on another Japanese pitcher. Have any of them pitched to the level of a Cy Young contender? $100 million should get you someone near that level

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

"any of them"

It’s a SSS.

The talent and repertoire is what would carry him, not his nationality.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

not necessarily a nationality issue but nature/nuture

he is a product of his environment. I’m just not convinced the level of competition in Japan produces the same caliber of player as here. Obviously there are no absolutes

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, but at the same time

If he has the arm, I don’t see why he couldn’t be coached into succeeding over here.

It’s the same game.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

valid point

would you risk 5/100 to a hot pitcher coming out of AAA though?

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not

That being said, if Matt Moore were released into the FA pool this year…

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if they had, and Darvish were a more "sure" thing

then you’d be looking at a lot more than 100.

You have the potential of locking up an ace for his age 26-31 seasons.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

None have had his pedigree/scouting profile, either.

I agree that it’s not a lock. I just don’t have enough information to truly say CJ’s contract will be a better value than Yu’s.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That first thing doesn't work.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The second really doesn't either.

My faith in Moreland was never huge and after last year, it’s practically nil. 1B is a glowing need. Doesn’t have to be a middle of the order stud, but someone who won’t shit the bed at the plate or in the field.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

I feel like there are more stop gap options out there than for #1 pitcher.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

There might not be any options for #1 pitcher

Assuming you dismiss the idea of CC coming to Texas

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ was an Ace this year and likely to be a #1 pitcher over the next couple of years,

but I’d be uncomfortable with a 5/$100M deal for him.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't thought that one out yet.

I will later in the offseason, though.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess throwing out numbers in a vacuum is absurd.

How much to spend on CJ depends on how much to to spend elsewhere, Josh next year, etc.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he takes that

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's really, really interesting.

I’ve been wondering if he would find a 5/$100M from somewhere else and come back to the Rangers and offer a $5M discount or some such.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was worth more than that the past 2 years....

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It sounds like CJ took offense/too seriously

to the Rangers’ blatant negotiating in the press.

None of it serious enough to prevent something from happening, but I’m close to positive that the Rangers don’t see him as a $20M guy.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Nationals will offer multiple FA the most money this offseason.

I do not think they will actually sign all of said FA.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ has talked so glowingly about Nolan.

I wonder if Nolan views CJ as an ace…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

his primary concern is being on a contending team

I think he has other interests he would like to pursue in 5-6 years. He is very, very comfortable in Texas and I don’t know that anyone is going to be able to offer him what staying in Texas means to him

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

YAY!

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to take a moment to thank the Astros organization for being a complete and utter mess right now.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a follow-up, I'd like to lobby the MLB

to have them start 2012 in the AL West, thanks

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quickly.

Huge.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the Houston Chronicle it said the MLB

is offering Crane a ~$50 million discount to accept the re-alignment

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a tough to thing to say "no" to

I guess it increases your payroll needs, with a DH, though

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Not sure how I’d feel about that…

I’m kinda hoping that they are able to get him for four years, not five…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

4/48

Basically a courtesy offer. I’d rather overspend for Darvish than bring back CJ.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's an insult.

I’m not sure you can’t do both, especially given the weirdness of the posting system.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ just doesn't have dominant enough stuff to justify spending that kind of money

We aren’t the Yankees. We can’t handle bad contracts. Moreover, we no longer need to overspend for pitching anymore. I think this is a place free agents will want to play, and we have good arms coming up. Let CJ walk and get the draft picks.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's the opposite.

He K’s plenty of guys and pitched a lot of innings this year, but control is always his issue, not stuff.

Also, I don’t think there’s anyone on this roster currently who is likely to be a #1 pitcher next year. Holland or Harisson could surprise and be more than AllStar level pitchers, but neither seem like great bets for Cy Young contender/long shots.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

There is no guarantee Holland/Harrison repeat this year’s performance next season and unless they resign CJ or get a Darvish/someone in trade that would be devastating to the rotation. Perez is not ready to step in and give this team immediate production to replace losing CJ from the rotation. CJ may not be an “Ace” and he does have command issues but the guy gets Ks and he logs a lot of innings.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Though I'm contradicting my previous post...

I’d offer 4/68 (i.e. Weaver extension minus one year).

And then I’d go hard at Darvish.

Even if it meant letting Josh walk next year…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd lock up Josh and let CJ walk this year.

Weaver is an ace. No way CJ deserves that kind of money.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the idea of locking Josh up

I really hate the idea of paying him $20M a year to sit on the DL

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're planning to trade him next year?

You can’t just let him walk for draft picks. He’s one of the best players in baseball.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was the best player in the AL last year,

but that’s not the question. The question is: Will he be one of the best players in baseball over this 32-36 y/o seasons? And that is a lot more murky, especially given his proclivity for injury.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is the overall impact

on the lineup vs the rotation of losing one versus the other. I think the lineup would definitely hurt from losing Josh but it could still produce and they could find someone to give them decent production internally/through trade but they need a #1 in the rotation.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that, I just don't agree that CJ is a #1

…or anywhere close. I’d rather use the money to sign Fielder, if you’re planning to let Josh walk next year.

CJ is replaceable. Matt Garza and Greinke were traded last offseason. Shields might be traded this offseason. You don’t have to pay $80MM for that level of production.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

223 IP, 206K (8.3 per 9)

and an ERA+ of 152 pitching half his games in Arlington is pretty damn solid. The thing with trading for a Garza or Greinke is how much you are paying them PLUS what you are giving up to get them in the first place. I’m not convinced that strategy is better. Especially since anyone that JD calls will be asking for the world because of our farm system depth.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I said elsewhere, it's 'just' money

Not assets.

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by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Weaver's deal wasn't a FA deal

and he acknowledged he gave them a discount to boot.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weaver would have received much, much, more in FA.

And Hamilton has his own risks…

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's nothing controversial about wanting C.J. and Darvish

At the expense of Josh. Though your contract offer to C.J. isn’t anywhere close to enough (which I think you know), and there’s still a lot of uncertainty about what it’d take to get Darvish. And I’m not sure Josh would be here past 2012 even if we didn’t get either of those two.

by Giant Space Ants on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they'll extend one of Cruz or Josh.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Extensions of old players is bad.

I wish we had closer OF farm options.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

King Leonidas waves hello.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's CF, though

I’m talking about replacing Cruz/Hamilton

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd be surprised

at how many good hitting COF there are. For instance, this offseason you could sign Carlos Beltran.

I’m just saying, on the scale of replaceability, #1 pitchers are (much) harder to find.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cruz is more injury prone IMO

Josh’s injury this year was a freak injury. I just view CJ Wilson as John Lackey. A competitive guy who pitches a ton of innings, but not someone capable of shutting a team out in the playoffs.

I don’t see the point in paying 16MM+ for that.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh has a history of injuries

and it probably isn’t unreasonable to think that his past life is going to player a larger role in his health as he ages. For example, that weird hospitalization for pneumonia this offseason..

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what insurance is for.

This reminds me of Steve Nash. We assumed he wouldn’t age well and he went off to put together a hall of fame career.

Contract around your concerns (options, etc.) and get a good insurance policy.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is Steve Nash in any way comparable?

Seriously, in any way. Body type? Drug History? Recklessness in how he plays? Sport that he plays?

Also, I don’t think Hamilton is going to take a super-team-friendly deal. His negotiations last offseason are the main reason why.

Furthermore, even if the money is a wash, you’re relying on his performance. If he gets hurt, even ignoring the money, the team’s performance suffers.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's how:

If you remember, a concern that he wouldn’t age well (seasons beyond 30+) was the reason given by Cuban (and supported by many fans) for not giving Nash a max contract when he hit free agency.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about all the guys no one thought would age well and didn't?

Or do those guys not matter because you can think of one local example of a guy who did age well, albeit with the help of a great medical staff?

by Giant Space Ants on Oct 29, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I wouldn’t be shocked to see a Nellie deal this winter that buys out 1 year of FA with options for more

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This would be ideal.

Maybe a mutual option then a team option.

by rclarkjd10 on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

mutual options are complete crap

the fact Josh didn’t give away any FA years last year when we signed him to his deal is a huge red flag to me. Nellie I think would give up at least 1 which would mean at least 3 years of control left

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough choice...

Gee, who do you think the bulk of the fanbase would choose?

Incidentally, it is stunning to walk into the Rangers gift shops and see the separate Josh Hamilton sections…

.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brainstorming every possible option

Kins to COF, Profar to 2b

Olt to COF

Young to OF (lol at that press conference, and kill me)

Justin Upton acquisition…

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I threw out Young, too

Both are gross to think about. I just really don’t want to sign either Cruz or Hamilton to the deal I think they are capable of getting in FA.

I like the idea (above) of extending Cruz this year for a season or two. That would hurt a lot less.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope not.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suppose so.

But it seems like Cruz is the type of player who is more valuable to the Rangers than he would be to another team.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that UZR will continue.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

I love that guy. I’ll never fully forget that he did not catching the ball that wins the WS, though.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

If you aren’t going to get a 1B who can be a middle of the order type bat then I think you should stick with Moreland

Moreland hitting 8th in this lineup is fine especially for the regular season.

But a big question becomes if we do go out and sign a Prince Fielder or someone like that what position does Young learn to play in order to be a asset should be make the WS again? or hell even interleague?

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

LF would the only position.

Everything else is taken by better/more valuable players. More than likely if were to somehow get Fielder, they’d have to look to move Young.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
Moreland hitting 8th in this lineup is fine especially for the regular season.

Yup. Totally fine having a guy who hit worse than Erick Aybar this year hitting 8th and manning 1B. I’m so down with that shit you don’t even understand son.

by LiamP on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point was more that

If I am going to go out and pay top dollar for a 1B he better be a middle of the order guy.

otherwise I am fine paying league minimum and getting that kind of production from my 8th place hitter who allows me some flexibility to play other guys more (Napoli and Young)

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
otherwise I am fine paying league minimum and getting that kind of production from my 8th place hitter who allows me some flexibility to play other guys more (Napoli and Young)

I’m not going to continue to argue this, since you’re bigsteve, but this is so completely and utterly misguided that it makes my head hurt

by LiamP on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm kind of interested in Pena if we go big for arms instead

I think his power would profile well in Arlington, his glovework is good, even if his range isn’t, and he walks like a motherfucker.

I could deal with his batting average for what else he brings to the lineup.

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Thome for (probably) less money

and then just live with Young at 1B.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is he really going to play another year?

I kind of had the impression that this year was it, which is part of the reason I think the Indians franchise should be ashamed of themselves.

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

AP article about it this past week.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the playoff beard and all its glory

Is gone.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

pix or it didn't happen

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, I did take pics

But they probably won’t show up on LSB unless I am fantastically drunk some night.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

wise man

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mine stays until I dress up as Friar Tuck tonight.

At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.

by TargetField on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

A playoff mistress when you just had a baby?

Tsk, tsk.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You = jelly

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

:)

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my question

Who would you like for the Rangers to sign this offseason?

Prince Fielder
CJ Wilson, or
Yu Darvish

I’m assuming they won’t be able to sign more than one of those, since several players have arbitration raises heading their way and because they will be looking to extend several other players. Right?

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Votto

He’s fantastic, but he’s not a free agent, is he? Or are you saying they’ll trade for him?

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I've been wondering the same thing. How will the Rangers be able to get Votto?

Which is my dream as well, BTW.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's "rumored" to be soon on the market

That’s probably merely rosterbation though.

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by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine what it would cost to pry him away

Start with Jurickson son of Chesmond and Judeska and Ma-Per, throw in Holland and Moreland, probably still not even close.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I heard about that a couple of weeks ago. Gillik said they had no such internal discussions.

Still, when something like that comes out, gotta be something there.

So, the trade I asked about when the rumor came out was this:

Is Neftali Feliz enough to be the lion’s share of a package for Votto? Would the Rangers want to do that?

I think it’s unlikely, given there is significant risk Feliz may never be a SP. Other than Feliz, you’re looking at young pitching, such as Harrison or Holland, plus two high upside, near ML-ready prospects (or Profar).

I think I’d rather hope they would bite on a Feliz offer, even though I’m willing to be that Feliz can transition to SP.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they would want near-ready and blue chip talent.

It seems they would be more interested in a Perez-Profar-NeRam + Borbon/RP type package, but I could be reading their needs incorrectly.

Hmm, feels too light still. Maybe it would take Holland or Harrison.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Echo chamber theorizing

That since the reds won’t be able to afford him in two years, they may trade him this offseason or at the summer deadline.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reds

Probably also want near ready prospects since the rest of their team is pretty good and competitive as is.

At least I dont think they are in full rebuild mode where low level guys could be good trade bait

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That seems like the wisest assumption

Probably some lesser/depth moves, too.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the budget partially depends on increased revenue from this outstanding season

And if they want to tap into the future TV deal monies.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yu Darvish

I’d love Fielder on this team, but not for the 200M+ he probably gets.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would say Ceej

I don’t trust fat athletes to stay competitive, nor unproven Japanese pitchers

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CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'm with you

It would be sick to have Fielder hitting clean-up next season, though.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

But...

Where would Face bat?

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by TRanger on Oct 29, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade him.

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by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ or Darvish for me

Depending on price and what Rangers scouts are saying about Darvish.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

CJ and Darvish...

Sabathia 3rd. As much as his fat ass makes me wanna pule the guy’s a horse. But yeah…CJ and Darvish. There’s no way we come away with someone like Fielder or Pujols.

by coolcolin09 on Oct 29, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deep Dish Danny and Davey Lane need to STFU about the Great Game.

They make Rob Dibble sound intelligent.

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by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I felt the same way about Corby yesterday...

…and in that segment, even Danny sounded better than Corby. He really is baseball stupid!

by Chaim Witz on Oct 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes an even tougher loss

Is that the redsox and phillies should do better. It will be hard to repeat as a.l champs. Hopefully we get them next year.

by Steve B on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That Red Sox team is in shambles

Dont really know what to expect from them next year at this point

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they will probably be good still,

But the Rays look like the team who could be significantly better. Their starting pitching should be absurd.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

Definitely don’t want to face them a 3rd consecutive time in the playoffs

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by MayurP on Oct 29, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Red Sox are a mess with a crap rotation.

I’ll worry about the Phillies when they don’t have the weakest offense of all the postseason teams.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think i'm most sad

about napoli not being named world series mvp

by meet the plastics on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Napoli...

I guess he’ll just have to settle for team MVP. Sigh….

by troysboys on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Napoli

Has a player on the losing team ever been named WS MVP? I feel like it’s happened once or twice. I thought he might have at least an outside shot at it. He was fucking amazing.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Oct 29, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get how Carp wasn't the MVP

DOESNT FIT THE STORY LINE! Freese had what, like 7 errors in one series?

At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.

by TargetField on Oct 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Craig...

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Freese made MY look like Beltre

at 3B in this series. That botched pop up in Game 6 was an embarrassment to baseball. I can’t believe the Rangers got a break like that in the WS and fucking lost. Allen Craig (fuck him) or Lance Berkman (double fuck him) were much more worthy MVP candidates.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well this fucking sucks...

time to start counting down til spring training

Salma Hayek is absolutely hideous

by AndrusImpersonator on Oct 29, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

looking forward to FA starting tomorrow.

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by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

And it's coming up quicker than ever!

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shuddup with your details...

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well.....

There’s always the golden state warriors for me.

by Steve B on Oct 29, 2011 11:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That brings back another painful memory

I enjoyed Free Darko at the time, and it hurt to read their take on the Mavs’ Golden State loss…
http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/05/something-else-altogether.html

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Felt so bad for JD last night. The footage of him sitting

by himself in the dugout so defeated, eyes closed, confetti dropping in the foreground. =(

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by ghostofPeterGardere on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I saw that. man, that picture said it all really

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by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really, really, really happy I did not see this.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was rather sad

Saw it this morning while watching the news.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I turned the channel as soon as the last out happened.

I couldn’t see the celebration, that sucked enough last year. This year I would’ve destroyed something.

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by Melanie on Oct 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can't stop thinking about

all the fastballs thrown the center of the plate on 1-2 and 0-2 counts during this postseason. ridiculous

by meet the plastics on Oct 29, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't even fathom the fact that....

the pitching staff broke the record for the most walks in the WS at 41.

by troysboys on Oct 29, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was listening to espn radio post game show...

and they said that only 9 of the walks were intentional.

by troysboys on Oct 29, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It felt like 900

We’ve come so far as an organization when it comes to valuing OBP and defense.

Yet, our manger still insists on giving away outs on offense and purposefully avoiding outs on defense.

It’s infuriating, and I in no way want Wash fired, but they need to talk to him about it.

There’s a place for that Elvis bunt. It’s the 8th inning in a 1-run or tied ballgame.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I got a pity number last night

hot chic saw my Ranger shirt and hat and we talked about the game. I told her all I did for this team and I swear to god she was almost in tears. I deserve some pity ass right now.

Salma Hayek is absolutely hideous

by AndrusImpersonator on Oct 29, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Pity ass

humorous term, for some reason…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

We all do

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by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

whats worse

is that I read that entire article in his overdressed Texas accent. I hope that guy dies of sepsis

Salma Hayek is absolutely hideous

by AndrusImpersonator on Oct 29, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's wierd that if he can't brag about his team being a champion, then it's of no use to him.

Emily Jones: Adrian Beltre's pretty good?
Mike Napoli: Wow. How about that guy.

by rooster on Oct 29, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

so many "what if" scenarios. as a fan, it's so difficult to just move on..

*sigh.. get ’em next year, Rangers

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by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

This sucks, and reading bullshit suggesting they quit makes it feel worse.

They didn’t quit. They got skull fucked in a World Series that no one will ever forget. As much as it hurts, they didin’t deserve to win.

41 walks in 6 games. That’s a lot of free potential outs. If half of those are gone they win this series.

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by Josh Lile on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Really? Umpiring is why they walked SIX FUCKING BATTERS A GAME?

No it isnt…

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by Josh Lile on Oct 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you throw a 3-2 strike

and it gets called a ball and walks in a run, it’s absolutely on the umpires.

Doesn’t excuse all of the walks, or even most, but there were some shitty fucking strike zones the last few days.

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJM made a good point on twitter

That one of the reasons to not intentionally walk is that it left no margin for error (including umpire error)

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Or passed ball, HBP, etc.

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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely.

It’s still 41 walks. That isn’t all on the umps. The Rangers pitchers were inexplicably shit in the playoffs.

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by Josh Lile on Oct 29, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The umps weren't consistenly calling the low away strike.

So, stop throwing it. They never did.

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by Josh Lile on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I have.

Did you see them play defense? Don’t be a sore loser and blame the umps.

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by Josh Lile on Oct 29, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

41 walks in the WS

that just blows my fucking mind. How many of those ended up scoring over the course of seven games? I’m too depressed to look it up but that’s just atrocious. The fastball command of almost everyone on the staff was terrible and the umpires did not help at all.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that counts HBP either

And the team had several of those as well

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's just terrible.

That disappointed me as much as anything else in the series. There are a ton of things we can look back on and question about this series but the fucking walks…I feel like there were so many times Rangers pitchers had two strikes on a guy and just couldn’t finish them off.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The amazing thing is...

The record walks they broke was the 40 by the Marlins in 1997 and they won it in 7 games.

by troysboys on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This won't scar anything

Losing the WS is an immense disappointment, but the players on this team will get through it and be even stronger in the long run. The stars just aligned for the Cards late in game 6. I have never seen anything like it.

by bflood36 on Oct 29, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

…and build up a huge nest egg in the National Karma Bank.

by bflood36 on Oct 29, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like DFW fans will be divided into two camps ...

1. The “Wait’ll next year” devotees.

2. The “’It’ll never happen’ till it happens” skeptics.

by tdwalla on Oct 29, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good god

I will be driven crazy if these fans turn into pessimistic nonbelievers. I understand having a realistic perspective sometimes, but the joy in being a fan is in the optimism, the belief, and the camaraderie. That’s what makes baseball and sports in general romantic for me.

by texasrangerfan on Oct 29, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It just is going be really rough next year

because throughout the season I will be thinking “okay, we are in first place, but can we really win it this year. Then in the playoffs, okay we won the first series, but can we win it all, then if we are fortunate to make it to the WS again, will we lose it three years in a row?”

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehz

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fortunate has nothing to do with it.

This is a well run organization from the top down.

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Written in the stars!

RAGE

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by Melanie on Oct 29, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bench

I hadn’t given it much thought before this series, but playing under NL rules really exposed the weakness that is the Texas bench. When you’re batting struggling pitchers in the middle innings or pinching Estaban German in clutch situations, it points to a lousy bench. An accomplished NL manager might be able finagle a weak bench and his bullpen to get around it, but Wash ain’t got the NL skills to do that. Not yet anyway.

So, besides all of the big sexy names on the market during the offseason, the Rangers really need to get a couple of Francour/Catalanotto types, who can hit both righties and lefties, onto the roster. Or we’re going to keep losing in NL parks.

by Van Down By The River on Oct 29, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

Having Torrealba, Gentry and German pinch hitting in clutch situations was a killer.

by bflood36 on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But that seems a micro problem – in my mind, not worthy of much offseason focus…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free Matt Treanor

Why didn’t he get any ABs? I’d have rather seen him trot out there than Esteban German.

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Needed a backup catcher at ALL TIMES

much like the pitcher has to bunt at ALL TIMES
and Elvis has to bunt at ALL TIMES

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2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was left on the bench just in case anything happened to Napoli

He was only there so Torrealba could pinch hit. I was surprised at how little Yorvit was used.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

I was just disappointed in our bench options. Esteban German should never be hitting in a crucial situation.

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't he?

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was on the WS roster.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

NL rules

almost necessitate a 3rd C

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant to qualify, it necessitated it "for us"

Being that Torrealba was considered our main PH, and you weren’t able to remove Naps from the lineup.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

I’m not a German believer, I guess.

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not, either

But Treanor had a 595 OPS for the Rangers in 2010, a 628 OPS in Texas and KC combined in 2011, and a career 623 OPS.

For all the media hype Treanor got last year, the reality is that he wasn’t good.

German has a career 745 major league OPS, and had a 799 OPS in AAA this season.

German isn’t very good, but he’s a better hitter than Treanor.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is kinda like the German v Torreabla kerfluffle

like, “oh no!” why did Ron not put in the mediocre hitter I believe in rather than the mediocre hitter I don’t believe in!

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

would it really make that much of a difference if we had HFA?

we had two chances in game six to nail it down. this is still all too fresh….

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by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

The umpires calls going the Cards way influenced this series much more than HFA

Now I don’t believe the umps intentionally influenced the series. I just think HFA was very low on the list of things that influenced this series outcome.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

In the last 32 years, the AL is 14-4 when they have HFA. The NL is 10-3 when they have HFA. It is definitely significant.

by BSJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT I know

but Cowboys waive injured RB Choice, source says

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe I was two blocks from you last night

Heh. That sounds creepier than I intended.

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, yes it does

I considered going out and meeting up with TargetField last night. I couldn’t bring myself to leave my apartment.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understandable

And I’m sorry for being creepy.

-- Micah

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Super Creepy

At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.

by TargetField on Oct 29, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, they're rolling with Murray and Tanner now

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by Steve Estep on Oct 29, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

They’re going to go with 2 rookies against the Eagles in Philly. I do like both of them though

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every freaking time I start to feel good about the Cowboys

they do something like this. Cutting Choice, keeping Felix Jones in his current form is awful, awful awful.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll trade you current form Felix Jones

for the turnstile at RT that is Marc Colombo? Ugh…football on Sundays just suck ass anymore for me. I can’t even get excited about the NFL outside of fantasy now because the Dolphins are just a massive fail from top to bottom. The only thing I need almost as desperately as a WS is Andrew Luck.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not certain that Colombo is any better than an LSBer right now.

As long as Luck doesn’t end up on the Redskins, I’ll be fine.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's horrendous.

The offense is bad enough when they give the QBs enough time to throw but watching Chad Henne/Matt Moore run for their lives and commit massive amounts of fail is just awful. I should have known after I had to suffer through losing to Tebow last week that this sports week would try to kill me.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it have been worse if they won the game 9-3 like it looked like they would at one point?

Long’s still great, though, right?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Long is still banged up I think.

He just doesn’t look as good this season as he was before the shoulder injury last year. I think he’ll bounce back to being elite next year but right now the entire OL is terrible in pass protection and is mediocre at best in run blocking. I would’ve been fine with just beating the Broncos and going 1-15 to get the #1overall provided the Colts and Rams wake up at some point. Losing to Tebow is just embarrassing and now I have to read about people “Tebowing.”

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahah.

Still, I hope Luck goes to a team that’s somewhat ready for him. It’d be interesting to see him on the Dolphins given the rest of the team.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Dolphins have enough skill players

for him to be successful immediately. Thomas has shown promise at RB when he gets on the field but he hasn’t been healthy much. If they keep BMarsh along with their other WR options then he’s got good weapons to throw to. They need to utilize Bush better and they desperately need a serviceable pass catching TE and they need to rebuild their OL.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still.

LT, WR, pass rusher are all set, no? Put a good QB in there and you’re talking about an average team.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think LT and pass rusher are probably set

WR is mostly good to go but I don’t have much faith in Hartline as a #2. I’d really like them to get someone else in there as a better #2 but he’s serviceable. They are really weak at safety going forward and the rest of the line is terrible. They have some good pieces and depending on what HC and coordinators come in next year they could instantly be a much better team. Luck or a Landry Jones would be really good pickups in the draft.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not at all sold on Landry Jones.

If you guys somehow end up with Robert Griffin, I will buying a Dolphins jersey.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Jones but I would be really happy

with RG3. I love watching him play whenever I get a chance and wouldn’t be completely opposed to trading down a few spots depending on where the Dolphins draft if they could get him and recoup a few more picks. I just need someone that gives me hope. My Miami teams and my Rangers are breaking my heart right now.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

After his rookie year, I was sure Choice was going to be amazing.

He performed so well against some of the best defenses in the league…

by Arson55 on Oct 29, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Screw you, Randy Galloway

I love baseball. The highs and lows come with the territory of being a fan. Adam, you said it best in your last paragraph.

I had a hard time summing up the game this morning in my post-game recap (I’m at a friends’ house, so I didn’t really get to a computer til today).

Also, I think this WS is going to haunt me. I had a dream last night that we had two on and no one out in the 9th inning. I remember feeling so much hope. Ack.

-- Micah

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by The Best Micah on Oct 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Elvis extension

How likely do you guys think it is that we extend Elvis a year or two into FA?

I’m curious to see what happens on the Elvis/Profar front in a few years…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Would you

Trade Profar in a package for Votto?

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

Depends on the rest of the package.

How to handle Profar depends on how the Rangers think he will progress over the next couple of years. If they really think it is likely that he’ll develop into a 4-5 WAR SS, then they’d be much better waiting to trade him until he is closer to the majors.

It just depends on how the % chance the Rangers assign to him developing well versus how a potential trading partner views him. He’s so far off now, I think there could be substantial differences….

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Profar will be a much better player than Elvis

You don’t trade him.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm uncomfortable with such a statement

For starters, Elvis just put up a 4+ WAR season at age 23 (sure, discount his defense some if you’d like, but still).

Secondly, Profar is a long way away….

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Profar

has a much higher ceiling but he’s still a few years away and there is no guarantee he’ll be what we are all hoping for in the future.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Profar starts the year at Frisco

don’t think he’s THAT far away. He seems special and I think they’ll challenge him

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they think that's best for him, sure.

But, otherwise, why rush him? Better to give him 3+ years so as to see what shakes out with Elvis..

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think given the way he peared the Sally

they would have bumped him up to Myrtle Beach towards the end of last year if they wanted him to start there this year. I think the fact they didn’t says something about the way they’re going to approach him this year.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of MB

is there any indication of whether the Rangers plan to get out of that contract or do they plan on staying in the Carolina League? I’m really hoping they stay so that I can see them when they come up to Salem again next year. I REALLY hope Profar is at MB when they come up so I can see him in person and get a writeup of that for LSB.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as I know

it’s considered one of the better High A stadiums and situations, so unless the fallout from Greenberg was that bad, I don’t see why they wouldn’t stay. I don’t think the Ryans have any teams at that level, so that helps on that end.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lynchburg?

Holyshit, if they moved to Lynchburg I would explode with happiness. That’s only an hour from my house and that would make for a lot of trips to Lynchburg for prospect watching that would annoy the shit out of my wife.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was some talk, yes,

but nothing remotely certain yet.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be incredibly exciting.

Even in MB I can still catch 6-9 games a year when they come up this way but in Lynchburg I could definitely catch a lot more than that and make a point to catch certain prospects out that way depending on the work schedule.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd have to wait until 2015

Braves and Rangers agreements are through 2014 in both cities.

by Colonel Travis on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are the costs

of terminating those deals early though? Or basically making a switch of location? Oh well, I can always dream and hope it happens eventually but as long as they at least stay in the Carolina League I’m happy.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can

MLB requires cities sign 2 or 4 year deals with parent clubs because after Bull Durham came out, teams went nuts, trying to one-up everyone else with a merchandising. If they could think of a new name or logo they would switch. Teams went nuts. Sometimes the city would switch, so MLB said – cut this shit out right now.

by Colonel Travis on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read this then:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jurickson-profar-the-next-rangers-star/

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs be drinkin that koolaid

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read that a couple days ago, and was gleeful

but I’d stand by my previous posts, nonetheless…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Votto is really, really good.

I’d do it for 2 full years of Votto.

Or for Kershaw.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd do it for Kershaw, np

I’d be sad if we did for Votto,

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably.

But oh what a lineup.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm usually pretty liberal about trading prospects for proven MLBers.

Profar is different. I can’t remember a prospect I’ve wanted to keep so much.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ceiling and floor are pretty damn high,

but Kershaw is Cy Young material…

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

What in the fuck is the fascination with Votto today?

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

1B is a gaping whole

and Votto is a fucking beast of a man who the Reds are rumored to be quietly shopping to make room for Alonso.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are they moving Votto

for Alonso because of cost? I like Alonso but there’s no way he ends up better than Votto right?

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Votto can bring back a serious haul

Alonso may not match his production but the cost savings plus the prospects brought back in trade should evan out or be better than just Votto

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not a gaping hole

Young will likely be playing there next year.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope not.

His proper defensive position is his ass on the bench next to Wash until it’s his turn to hit.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Instead of DH?

Unsure about this…

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chances of getting him are very slim

but dude did just win the MVP last year, and as we seen 1B is the only position that needs to be filled (assuming Martin is the answer in CF)

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is the same thing as Upton last year

The team GM mentioned they could be available and the Rangers have a hole there. I file this under things that will never happen.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same thing I was thinking

It is a lot like Justin Upton last year, but it is nice to think about the potential

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone is available

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe that for a minute.

The offers it would take to acquire someone like Votto are outside the realms of reality.

by Heebs on Oct 29, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree and not agree

Everyone is available but there’s a cost. Sitting around doing pipe dream bullshit is pointless. Rangers should just wait until the Mariners are out of it and get Felix for, I don’t know, who’s a shitty prospect in the system?

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably at this point.

But if they struggle out of the gate next year?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosterbation?

Run if you intend you survive,
For the beast is coming to life.

by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems unlikely to me,

but he does seem to like it here. His errors have me wondering if the Rangers FO loves him as much as we do.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

that Cruz could have made that catch or Neftali could have pitched better but we would have also won if we had a manager with a fucking brain. You have Mike Adams ready in the pen but you leave the lefty Derek Holland in for two more right handed batters and they get a homer and a single. And this was just one of the many horrible decisions Ron has made. Another example would be taking Feldman out with 2 outs just to pinch hit Esteban German, again, for some fucking reason and then put in Mark Lowe who hasn’t pitched in a meaningful game in a long time. With decisions like those and constantly costing us runs with stupid fucking bunts, I really wish they would let him go but I know it won’t happen since the Rangers were able to overcome their awful manager and make it to the WS two years in a row.

Errors and blown leads happen, but having a dumb manager should be something easy to fix.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I dont blame Wash

for leaving Holland out there, he was dominating the Cards again, plus as Adams proved last night he was a little shaky. As far as the bullpen goes the only move I hated was bringing in Oliver in the 10th. After the Hamilton homer i thought the game was over, and then I seen Darren Oliver and the 87 MPH fastball of doom coming out of the bullpen, I had a horrible feeling right there.

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm totally irrational when it comes to Oliver

I know he put up great numbers this year. But man, I do NOT feel good with him in the game…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am the same way.

I felt that way last year as well as this year. He does have great numbers (except for the amount of inherited runners he lets in) but I just feel depressed seeing him come in. It didn’t make me feel any better watching Gonzalez put away the two lefties Oliver could not put away the night before. I felt it should have been Gonzalez if you’re going to put a lefty in that situation. But it’ll just go down as another what if moment..

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but with that said I doubt Davis is even on the playoff roster at all

by jdt0207 on Oct 29, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

When would Davis ever bat instead of German?

German only came in versus LH primarily which Davis couldn’t hit with a giant tennis racket.

Name me the relief pitcher that’s perfect.

We got to Brad Motte twice in this series. And all the other Cardinals relief pitchers.

Mike Adams and Gonzalez were both fine. Koji had a great September but an awful August and October.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was impressed with Adams

I still think he could be our closer next year.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’d rather have Adams closing than Feliz…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both

Also, I wouldnt mind the FA compensation that might result if Adams had a really good year as a closer and then left.

(would we he classify as an A or B if Adams only had one year as a 30-40 save guy?)

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought that Elias undervalued setup men or something…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adams is the number RP in Type A status right now.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Number 2 or 3.

He had two straight great years.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is silly.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

not even Gonzalez?

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by MayurP on Oct 29, 2011 2:36 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, it would have been great

to watch Davis strike out all those times.

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by CrustytheCowboy on Oct 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Ron positively impacts his players' performance?

If so, how much?

If not, why do you think his players like him so much and defend him so ardently?

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think with Wash you take the good with the bad

the good being the way he handles his clubhouse, keeps the mood light, the way he deals with the media and shields his player from that scrutiny, and the way he’s able to get his guys mentally ready to play. I can 100% understand why a player would love to play for him and would fight for him.

At the same time, tactically, he’s kind of… lacking. I would love the Rangers pick up a bench coach who could be the team’s soulless tactician, someone who has Wash’s ear when it comes to roster moves, especially in a situation where you’re playing with stupid NL rules.

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by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know this is true, but

here’s the thing I’ve been wondering over the past few days: Does having this sort of manager balance itself out over the course of a (long) season, but then hurt you more than it helps you in the postseason?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought.

Just getting to the postseason is probably the most important thing, though…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he very very slightly affects their performance

but not enough to overcome his in-game management. Almost every player, defends their manager, and maybe the Rangers do it even more because he is likeable. But Wade Phillips was likeable and I don’t think anyone said he was a great coach.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can prove that Wash's in-game failings outweigh his "intangible" skills

Then I’ll join you in calling for a new manager.

Until then…

(Ok, FYI – a manager’s in-game tactics are probably much less important than their people skills. Based on the performance of Wash’s teams and the opinions of Nolan/JD, I don’t think we’re going out on a limb presuming that Wash is great in the clubhouse).

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's undefinable

There’s no VORM because it doesn’t exist. MY’s play has been analyzed in thousands of different ways.

Wash took a team to the WS in two straight seasons and improved their record every season. Could someone do better? Maybe but that’s a huge crapshoot.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What has changed in the past four years?

We have gotten better players and the players we have still have, have gotten much better. The manager has been the same. I just don’t think you can say that Wash’s attitude or personality is the reason Cruz hits a bomb, or Elvis makes a great play, or CJ throws a shut out. It is because the players are good.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox had better players than us this year.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you're arguing for and against

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I obviously didn't put it very well

but I’m saying that the players are the reason we made it to the WS the past two years not the manager.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Players are also the reason we lost.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah..and so is the manager.

What is easier to fix the manager or the team….

by dutchstache on Oct 30, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you

but how many games are won because he’s a nice guy versus how many games are lost b/c he’s a poor tactician?

And I’m not calling for a new manager, but his in-game decision making is questionable.

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by WhipSmart on Oct 29, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing that his in-game strategy is questionable.

I’m disputing dutchstache’s claims that we would’ve won with a different manager (but not a different closer, etc).

And I’m defending Wash against the absence of a brain comments and such.

I don’t know the answer to your first question. But the reasons I cited above are enough for me. That said, of course I’m frustrated/angry when a dumb decision is made during the game.

But, when the game is over, I don’t get online and say “Our manager doesn’t have a fucking brain we need a new one etc etc”

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, his username is douchestache

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So was Tony LaRussa's.

So are most ML managers.

Wash has his strengths… he’s not going anywhere.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different manager, we win it all.

No Cruz or No Neftali and we don’t make it to the WS.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different manager and perhaps we don't make it to the World Series at all.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD has a ton of confidence in Wash.

And the players love him.

We don’t have Red Sox like issues or drama. That has value too.

Name me the managers that make great tactical decisions and be prepared to defend them… I’ve seen them all do stupid shit.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another question

Does Jackie Moore not offer good advice, or does Ron not listen to them?

by Telegraph on Oct 29, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I obviously don't know the answer

but I would suspect Ron’s general philosophies prevail over any advice by Moore.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Talk to fans of any team and they can find decisions on a regular basis from managers that they question.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maddon seems good.

I don’t know enough about all of the other managers to say, but I’m sure there are smarter ones out there.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The DMN blog is over there ---->

gtfo

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maddon yeah, but it's a hard thing to judge

It’s always easier for fans of one team to see managers of other teams through drunk goggles, and the manager of their own team completely sober

by Telegraph on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Francona, too, I think.

Leyland will probably win AL manager of the year, but he’s got the same/similar weaknesses as Wash.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Truth

I am embarrassed that I mocked the chess/checkers thing so aggressively, and then Wash proceeded to manage pretty poorly thereafter.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

7,8, and the pitcher coming up, leading by 2 runs.

It ain’t Wash’s fault. Shit happens. So does second guessing, which I guess is redundant.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

How?

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland doesn't face two righties with Adams ready.

We don’t leave Colby in to hit with the bases loaded.
We don’t have Colby bunt the ball no matter what just so the Cards can turn two.

And thinking about it more, we probably don’t win game 2 if Elvis bunts like Wash wanted him too.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Butterfly effect

Never plays out the same and we weren’t changing managers in the 8th inning of game 6 of the World Series

My laughter is more important than quality metaphors.

by Cav0 on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

How do you defend Wash constantly making Andrus and others bunt. It is almost never the smart play.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not what I said

I’d rather Elvis not bunt too. You’re right its almost never the smart play.

That was in response to your “smarter manager mean Rangers aren’t ” theme

My laughter is more important than quality metaphors.

by Cav0 on Oct 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Adams comes in a gives up a HR perhaps?

Revisionist history is dumb since no one can know how changes could have worked.

How about the baserunning in Game 2? That’s something Wash preaches and it worked out. Without that the Rangers almost assuredly lose that game.

With players you take their past in an effort to project their future. Do you take one MY AB to decide whether he’s good or not? With every Wash mistake there’s probably a Wash benefit that’s either unheralded or not apparent on the field.

You have to look at the body of work. The question is – did the Rangers clearly fail to meet people’s expectations?

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...they were the favorites.

How do they assuredly lose that game? It would have been 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd with no one out if Kins doesn’t steal and Elvis doesn’t take the extra base.

by dutchstache on Oct 29, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were they the favorites to make the WS?

Boston and Philly were. You’re looking at things in a vacuum. You can’t take 1 10 or a 100 ABs to judge a player. Why do that with a manager?

Here’s the thing. We as fans can judge managers more easily. Lefty versus righty etc. But we have no idea how to hit a 99 mph fastball better so we don’t judge them on an AB basis and instead do so on their body of work. Why not with managers? You’ll sit there and say “I can manage this team better” but it’s more than lefty versus righty.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who cares if they were favorites? What is your point?

They overachieved the media’s expectations? The media is pretty baseball stupid for the most part if you haven’t noticed.

And lets say you do look at Ron’s whole body of work this season…I still don’t think he’s a good manager. Game after game he makes dumb decisions that decrease our chances of winning.

by dutchstache on Oct 30, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg

I bleed Ranger black and blue.

Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.

by BigGuns on Oct 29, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

spot on post sir! REC!

Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg

I bleed Ranger black and blue.

Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.

by BigGuns on Oct 29, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't read the previous comments, but...
“We all know we lost the Series yesterday,” Beltre said. “We shouldn’t have let it slip away. We came back today to try to win it, but the momentum just took them and they won it. It’s not a nice feeling.”

…I could actually feel this watching them play last night. The Game 6 loss took the momentum completely out of the Rangers’ hands and they couldn’t seem to get any sort of juju going.

by toddulent on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Momentum in baseball is bullshit.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, something within me snapped after game 6

I still feel the mental break. I’ll come around and be ready for ST and excited for the next season. Right now, however, discussing baseball or trades just feels so empty. And I don’t blame the team or anything like that. I guess I’m still in a denial phase.

Hell, I don’t know what I mean. Just hold me.

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by WhipSmart on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I get it.

Every day it seems I think of ’what’s next for the Rangers’ but it was really hard to bring myself to do so this morning.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here, I mean.. what more can JD do? *sighs

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll do a writeup over at BBTiA eventually about this,

but there’s a good argument that the Rangers got lucky this year in terms of injury and career years and what not. Fortunately, a certain amount of their improvement this year came from player breakouts/development, which seems more likely to continue (and yay, farm system), but the Rangers could be just as good next year, win 92 games and get swept out of the playoffs. It’s frustrating to be so close.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly why it's so frustrating

I won’t be shocked if we make the playoffs the next 3 years without seeing the WS

The playoffs are so random

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

it’s probably silly, but I want to see this era of Rangers teams go down in history as a “winner”…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

but just think about the Dallas Mavericks.

according to this page, they made the playoffs in 11 straight seasons!!! and yet, no championship to show for it until this year. we’ve only been in the playoffs for 2 years straight. but the Mavericks.. 11 straight seasons is absurd.

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basketball is a very, very, very different sport, especially with regards to the regular season/playoff breakdown.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

well they had 10 straight seasons of over 50+ wins

and no title until this year. I still think the Rangers will eventually win the World Series. but they’re still growing/learning..

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's just different.

Might as well compare it to the Champions League soccer.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

If you tell me right now that we’ll make the playoffs the next 9 years, I would make an extremely sizable bet that we win the WS at least once.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the thoughts that's rattled around in my head...

Is understanding what it means to have won the title this year or not.

The difference in my mind is what does everyone else think about this team. For me… I know they were fantastic. There’s also that rush of excitement that comes with winning it all and the afterglow… but I had that so many times this year. It was a great year.

I’ve pretty much decided that 2011 was pretty fucking amazing and fuck everyone else that wants to take shots at the team I happened to be born close to and choose to spend my time following for entertainment purposes.

I would much prefer to be able to have the title to give everyone like Josey or Galloway or Angels fans the finger because they like to take shots and tear down something I enjoy. But even if that didn’t happen I still got the most satisfaction and enjoyment out of this team out of any team in Rangers history.

I’ve seen three Cowboys Super Bowl wins, a Stars Cup and now a Mavericks NBA title. As a sports fan I’ve been pretty damn fortunate. I mean… I happened to be born in Dallas… imagine if I’d have been born in Cleveland or some other shit sports town. I’ve been to four World Series games and have season tickets to see one of the very best teams in baseball.

I have a hard time getting too upset when I look at it that. And much like the 2011 Mavericks finally got there… one day a Rangers team will too. Who the fuck knows when… but it will happen.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should read Jeff's article that AJM linked on the front page.

And I agree with this especially:

I would much prefer to be able to have the title to give everyone like Josey or Galloway or Angels fans the finger because they like to take shots and tear down something I enjoy. But even if that didn’t happen I still got the most satisfaction and enjoyment out of this team out of any team in Rangers history.

I know JD doesn’t care about it, but I’d rather deal with everybody thinking JD&Co are baseball geniuses capable of no/little wrong than to have him questioned every time he wants to get rid of a veteran or sign a pricy free agent.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is where I am.

One thing I was wondering about…

How much difference do you think it makes to the Rangers franchise to have gotten that one more out? I mean, how much of a difference does it make 5+ years down the line to fanbase, ticket/merchandise sales, national recognition, etc.

Part of that depends on how they do the next year or two, I suppose…

And if they’d won back-to-back titles…. well, I imagine that there national attention would increase exponentially. How much value does that have? I’ve got no clue…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other side of that is

what if they won the title last year or this and then slide back into mediocrity for years? Obviously we all want a title more than anything but I wonder what the value of that is to fanbase, ticket/merch sales, etc. versus getting there back to back years and hopefully being a perennial contender for the foreseeable future?

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more out

Elvis can drive around town in a convertible, smoking cigars.
Napoli can show up to the parade stoned.
Hamilton can toss the jump ball at Mavs games.

Nothing else would ever matter, not the money coming in, not the national recognition…Nothing…Fuck.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is going to take some time.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW,

been listening to Amy Winehouse’s Frank album today. You listened to it?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like it better than 'Back to Black'.

Jazzy, soulful…Love the cover of “Moody’s Mood for Love”. “I Heard Love is Blind” is one of the most simple, lyrically subtle great songs ever. “Amy, Amy, Amy” is 13 minutes of bliss.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I didn’t ‘get’ why she was so popular for Back to Black. I mean, it’s good, don’t get me wrong, but the hype that built up had me expecting more. Frank is pretty damn awesome, though.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

See I absolutely love Back to Black

and never really got beyond “Yeah, OK” for Frank

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

19 years old. Pretty incredible.

She had her faculties, too. More just a pot smoker back then. Check out some live performances from her then, about 30-40 pounds heavier. Looked much better, and tighter w/ the band.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont know if youre in to the Black Keys

but their new single Lonely Boy is on YouTube and it fuckin rocks.

Salma Hayek is absolutely hideous

by AndrusImpersonator on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ack. Imagining those guys celebrating makes me sad.

But Elvis? The dude is irrepressible. He’s smiling through it all. He better be careful trying to cheer up Beltre, though…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I HAZ A SAD

:(

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

so how long do you think it'll take you guys to recover from all this?

IMO, I think after a month for me, and I’ll be fine.. of course, right now it’s still fresh and still hurts. love you, LSB.

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

In a lot of ways I'm already over it.

It never felt like yesterday was going to be the Rangers day, even before Layne started putting the screws to the strike zone.

I’m not saying I’m happy today, but I’m ready to think about how they’ll make the team better for next year.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is kind of where I am.

As soon as the Cardinals tied it in the bottom of the first last night I couldn’t help but think “here we go again” and just felt deflated. Game 6 was the worst feeling of my sports life and I suffered through that all day yesterday. Right now I just want to start thinking about offseason moves and shift focus to roster construction and next season because I can’t dwell on the past 48 hours anymore or I’ll go insane.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No complaints here.

It was a great season that just happened to end opposite of the way I (we all) wanted. No amount of my wailing & gnashing of teeth is going to cause a different outcome. Even though this one seemed to hurt more than last year, I’ll eventually heal.

by beaudog on Oct 29, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cruz HR-denial was also especially tough.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh what a depressing moment.

That was the last point where I felt like there was a glimmer of hope and then Allen fucking Craig kicked me in the nuts AGAIN. I’m really thankful for the past two seasons and for this team finally giving me something amazing to celebrate but it’s going to be really hard to get over the past few days.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wish I had free time today

Wife and I are hosting a Halloween dinner party tonight. If only I could have one more day to be pissed…

by Colonel Travis on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least you didn't have

to host one last night. Normally I sit and watch the games by myself but last night I had to suffer through that depressing shit with 12 other people. Not only that, a wife of one of my friends who was here is a Cards “fan” and showed up wearing her hat in my fucking house last night. I called her bullshit on being a fan and she tried to defend herself with “my grandfather used to listen on the radio, I’m not a diehard fan and I don’t watch every game but I’ve been a fan of them longer than you have of Texas because I’m older than you.” I wanted to fucking vomit.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite question for situations like this is:

Is your Ace/Tonight’s SP/Closer right handed or left handed?

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was terrible.

She’s a fucking idiot and none of the guys like her anyways. One of my best friends is a Cards fan and I’ll congratulate him and move on. People like her though…fuck those people. Somebody asked her last night if she could name people on the team and she couldn’t name anybody but Pujols. What a miserable night.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the thing for me. I can be a good sport -- more or less -- toward real Cardinals fans,

and of course there are plenty of them here. But there are also a lot of people for whom the team is a passing interest, and guess which type has been trolling me — face to face.

by other_shoe on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's terrible.

I have a Halloween thing to go to tonight, and one of my friends that’s going to be there is from Missouri. I hope she’s nice.

"We're going back." Ian Kinsler

by Melanie on Oct 29, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well luckily she knew to shut her damn mouth

in my house last night and not say anything after the final out. My buddy knows how great of a series it was and how close the Rangers were to winning it so he’s pretty respectful about it. I just hate casual fans who think they deserve to rub it in my face or give me shit when they don’t invest hardly anything into it.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

And the dumbfucks that just hopped on the bandwagon a month ago going around and saying “THIS TEAM IS TEH SUXXXORZ FIRE EVERYONE” are just as bad.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never

I’ll still be a functional human and all but Game 6 will always be around somewhere. I seriously cannot sit here and think how exactly they lost it. I can normally pinpoint a few things in a game and say “that was it.” With Game 6 there are so many turning points I can’t focus. When people ask “what happened?” I don’t have an answer. If the Rangers win the next two World Series I still won’t be able to look back on Game 6 and explain it.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
If the Rangers win the next two World Series I still won’t be able to look back on Game 6 and explain it.

If they win even one during my lifetime, I’ll have the luxury of not giving a fuck.

by LiamP on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

A very small portion of me will regret not winning this one because I’ll have to wait at least another 12 months to try and get one but winning just one will erase all of that. Still, having to watch the fucking Cardinals and their fans celebrate their ELEVENTH after losing back to back WS was unbearable.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give somewhat of a fuck

That game was historic. Historically shitty on our end, nonetheless, every baseball fan who watched it will not forget it. People still talk about fucking Fred Merkle today. You don’t just forget shit like Game 6.

by Colonel Travis on Oct 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, winning a championship

relegates Game 6 to character-building charm instead of twitch-inducing anguish to be constantly shoved down our throats every postseason.

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I've ever wanted and asked for is one. I just thought this was the year.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

I am terrified of having to wait another 50 years until I’m 75 to get a WS or something awful like that. I wanted it so bad this year, even more so than last year.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

"Can the Rangers nail down a title with Derek Holland in Game 6? Not even close ..." -- Randy Galloway, 10/13/11

by CrustytheCowboy on Oct 29, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm already sort of over it.

I’ve come to accept being just the back to back American League Champions. Yeah, game six sucked hard, but what can you do? Unless anybody on here has a time machine for the Rangers’ dugout and bench, it’s part of the past.

Brahmas hockey started last week and they are two games into the season. I move into hockey mode until Baseball comes back.

by Perfect Zero on Oct 29, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHA!!!

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dirkatron was at Gameday!

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's hilarious

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Herbstreit's probably wondering,

“Why is the cameraman laughing so hard?”

"Can the Rangers nail down a title with Derek Holland in Game 6? Not even close ..." -- Randy Galloway, 10/13/11

by CrustytheCowboy on Oct 29, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Avoiding all things ESPN and MLB Network today

so that I don’t have to see any headlines about the WS is really hard to do on college football day. I actually started watching Big Ten Network for a little bit…ugh, fuck this day so much.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

This man looks sexy in that uniform

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!

by vfn on Oct 29, 2011 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't even begin to describe

how sexy his defense is in person. He looks so smooth over there. I really think he’s an above average defensive 3B in MLB if they called him up during the season.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where would he fit...

With Beltre here for 4 more years?

by coolcolin09 on Oct 29, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep him at 3B in the minors next year

And then if he looks to be near ML ready you have him start playing and learning LF to be a viable ML option in 2013.

by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torrealba better not catch ever again

his ass cost us game three

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

He's going to be traded.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure what Wash was thinking when he started him for game three.

just trrrrbl

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

plus

Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg

I bleed Ranger black and blue.

Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.

by BigGuns on Oct 29, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully.

He needs to be taken away from Wash and that’s really the only way to do it.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that was defensible

I’m afraid of Gonzalez walking dudes all over the place. Though Feldman obviously showed the next night he was more than capable of doing the same.

by nivarsity on Oct 29, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

wash being wash

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if he brings in Adams, and Adams blows the lead,

the chorus is, “Holland was rolling, Why’d you pull him?”

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly. all I know is one day.. we WILL win the WS

it’s gonna happen.

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree same with Feliz..I think he should have been in the 10th..

but if he blows it again, the cries will be like WHY DID YOU BRING HIM IN A SECOND TIME!

by Vicky on Oct 29, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have removed Feliz

22 pitches, labored through an inning, two lefties coming up. Oliver should have gotten them out, he just didn’t.

by nivarsity on Oct 29, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah. It'd have been the right move.

The right move backfires sometimes too. Doesn’t make it less right.

by nivarsity on Oct 29, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I CANNOT FOCUS ON ANYTHING TODAY, FUCK!!!!

WHY DO I LOVE THE TEXAS RANGERS SO MUCH?!?

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

manpearintegrity

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jessica Alba

"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

by pinoyintegrity on Oct 29, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yu Darvish start

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that normal for japanese baseball?

And another thing that worries me is the amt of innings on his arm if the Rangers try for him.

by Vicky on Oct 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's kidding.

Last night was live, this is just a replay of that.

He throws similar innings to US starters. 200+ innings per year.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This quote better summarizes how I felt after game 6

I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn’t screw to save its species. I wanted to open the dump valves on oil tankers and smother all the French beaches I’d never see. I wanted to breathe smoke.

by CrisLander on Oct 29, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

For those needing distraction.

MDLS start

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

MDLS

5 ip
1 h
0 bb
8 k

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is why I love this team..Mike Gonzalez..

The chemistry these guys have is something you want to have and something I love being around. I’ve only been here seven weeks, but I enjoyed myself more in Major League Baseball these seven weeks more than I have my entire career."

Says a lot doesnt it, this still hurts like hell. I’m between denial and suppression at this point but during quiet times this morning I cant help but to think about what if. But this quote above is the reason why in such a short time I’ve loved this team more then any other.

We’ll get our championship soon. And with that going to take a nap since I didnt sleep enough last night.

by Vicky on Oct 29, 2011 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, fuck this
, but resurgent pitchers A.J. Burnett and John Lackey share World Series MVP honors after throwing two shutouts each.

Note: for the Rangers in 2013

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

2032: Cleveland Tribe

It takes us 21 years to realize their team name and logo is horrifically offensive.

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm liking this more and more
2023: Los Angeles Angels of Santa Anaheim and South Orange County, including but not limited to Laguna Beach, Dana Point and San Juan Capistrano

by Jobu. on Oct 29, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed links

Darvish

Daisuke

Dice-K had pretty damn good numbers, too…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Worth noting: Darvish's 2011 numbers aren't on there

And this year was his best yet… 10.5 k/9, 1.4 BB/9, 1.49 ERA

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some reason I thought Dice-K was much older when he came over.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darvish

vs. Daisuke, part of the difference is also physical and approach. Daisuke was a 6’0" or 5’11" guy who was 210. Darvish is a 6’5" 220 guy. Daisuke was always a bit of a slob, Darvish is a workout nut. I mean he can still get hurt, as all pitchers can, but I have more confidence in Darvish translating than I have for Daisuke.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Oct 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darvish is listed as 6'5" 190lbs

more of a Brandon McCarthy type build

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looks much thicker than McCarthy to me.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 29, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my God, it's already roster and acquisition talk time.

I shouldn’t have come here.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Oct 29, 2011 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Not Rangers. I don't know. I just come here out of habit.

I’m not saying it’s wrong to talk about those things… it’s time to do that now that it’s the offseason. It’s just a stark reality I wasn’t ready to face.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Oct 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha

I think that’s been most of the talk in here to keep from dwelling on what happened. Onward and upward I guess.

by VARangerfan34 on Oct 29, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

therapy!!!

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds familiar

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I need a new hobby.

Maybe learning new languages.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to start playing my guitar more.

I don’t think I realize how much time I spend watching baseball.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Oct 29, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roughly 500 hours/year.

That’s a full month of awake hours. Add in reading and talking about it…

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Oct 29, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, I kind of roll my eyes when my wife calls me obsessed

but when you put it that way…

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Oct 29, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Last Paragraph

Great stuff. Thanks for making this blog something I read and enjoy every day.

by Kyle Mc on Oct 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

because everyone else way undershot the Red Sox’s bid last time, everyone is overpredicting Darvish’s price.

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Oct 29, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Darvish's workload

If the Rangers sign him, I wonder how the Rangers would handle his between starts work and such. The Sox converted Dice K to a standard American between starts regimen, which caused some conflict…

Nolan would be happy to hear about those 150+ pitch outings..

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

How many 150+ pitch outings do you think Darvish had this season?

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know.

Averaged 128 pitches per start, apparently. And had back to back starts of over 150 pitches.

So at least two…

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Zero.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.

by Aqua on Oct 29, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that wasn't really my point. My Nolan comment was intended as a light aside.

What I’m interested in is whether his MLB team would allow him to maintain more of a Japanese style between starts regimen….

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Replying to myself, but what the hey...

Interesting bit from that second link:

This season he threw 140+ only once (145 on July 30th) and the 130+ mark seven times, eliminating higher workload starts but throwing more total pitches for the season (3396). His 2011 total would have earned him a rank of 22nd overall in the MLB.
As was the case in 2010, Darvish’s total pitch count is similar to Toronto Blue Jays starter Ricky Romero. Romero threw 3241 pitches in 2010 & 3374 pitches in 2011.

by VM on Oct 29, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I fell asleep watching TV earlier and had a dream that we won Game 6.

Crap.

by Pocket Ninja on Oct 29, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

That picture of CJ makes me sad.

 I want him back if they can sign him to a reasonable contract.

"We're going back." Ian Kinsler

by Melanie on Oct 29, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Your kids?

BTW… my guess on eclou is brother in law.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Oct 29, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, and no

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Oct 29, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that made my heart sink a little...

This whole thing is difficult to handle right now.

by coolcolin09 on Oct 29, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I spent the last hour watching youtube clips of the Mavs championship run to cheer myself up.

Watching Dirk and the Mavs finally triumph after years of heartbreak makes me feel better about the Rangers. Soon.

by behindthebag on Oct 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Had to take a cruise around town this morn alone

Passed by the BPIA. Made me smile even though the heart ache. I’ll hang out with my boy Jack Daniels for a few days and get over it. Still, I think we are the best team in baseball no matter what anybody says. Felt the pain, oh my, but lets keep our head up, we will have the joy. They will b back

by Urmammasdaddy on Oct 29, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

good morning

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats on your new job, Ryno.

You’re doing sonething truly positive. Kudos, grizzled one.

by dolphinpuncher on Oct 29, 2011 6:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love Dave Cameron...he so gets it....from his twitter account...

one of the MANY screw ups by Wash.

You can’t let Lewis hit here. You just can’t.

This is absolutely crazy.

That was one of the worst managerial decisions in World Series history.

Four outs.
Washington traded a bases loaded situation for four outs

Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg

I bleed Ranger black and blue.

Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.

by BigGuns on Oct 29, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Boy, Adam sure made an ass out of himself on twitter, last night

As you explained, later, must of been the tough week in the court room and all that Nyquil. At least when I drink something that helps me to make an ass out of myself, I like the taste of it.

by oldlefty on Oct 29, 2011 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

burn

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

....

“where anything short of a championship should be considered a failure”

Technically it should. That should be the standard with every pro team, even the shitty Royals. No one goes into a season saying “hey we hope we can be 500”. The goal is always to win it all.

by Fozzybear on Oct 29, 2011 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

i unbanned you

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 30, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell is "rec"?

College-educated lurker here—signed up for an account and waited 24-hrs to post just to ask that burning question… I enjoy the posts and comments and gifs. Loads of laughs. I just can’t figure “rec” out. I’m prepared to be embarrassed.

by SuhBooBu on Oct 30, 2011 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

rec = recommend

people say that when they like someone’s post although there is a “rec” button you can select under the “actions” tab.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 30, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

and welcome.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Oct 30, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

It shows up better now that I’ve signed up. And found the right browser.

by SuhBooBu on Oct 30, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

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