Rangers/Rays ALDS Game 4 -- Pregame discussion thread
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 4, 2011 11:02 AM CDT
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You know how we talk about how anything can happen in a short series? Last night is Exhibit "A" in that argument. Either team could have won last night's game, with the differences being a key at bat here and there, a key pitch made or not made.
The cliche is that baseball is a game of inches, and there are a lot of games each season that can break either way. When two closely-matched teams -- like Texas and Tampa -- face each other, advancing or falling short oftentimes is a matter of inches, a matter of a key play or two.
That's why we talk about how, even if you don't have the strongest team, you want to get to the postseason, because anything can happen. And that's why the postseason is such a crapshoot.
Anyway...we have Matt Harrison squaring off against Jeremy Hellickson today. The Rangers lineup will be:
Kinsler -- 2B
Andrus -- SS
Hamilton -- CF
Young -- DH
Beltre -- 3B
Napoli -- C
Cruz -- RF
Murphy -- LF
Moreland -- 1B
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"Starting time...rabble rabble..."
*grouses
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
I think the starting time is a good thing
Potentially gets this series done faster and lets us sleep easy for a few nights
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
They gonna be hungover tomorrow.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 4, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Or it causes me to have a wreck and die on 114 going home if it goes to extras
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
don't back that shit up, k?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just got a steroid shot to the head
from the doctor this morning. At least I won’t have a giant headache like I did from last night’s game!
Look at the big brain on rad!
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Oct 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Pulp Fiction
Well done.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
you telling me there's a hand cannon in the bathroom?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Bravo
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 4, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm totes Jessie Spano right now.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Are you, in fact, excited?
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
we we so excited
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Bayside is a way cool school.
If you have a plan to construct somekind of a crude Twix vagaina, I’m all ears.
- Bob Loblaw
I didn't realize how sex-driven that show was.
TAT was all boobalicious all the time and Zach and Slater were on many posters all buffed up and chesty.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Throw Belding in the mix and you've got reality TV.
If you have a plan to construct somekind of a crude Twix vagaina, I’m all ears.
- Bob Loblaw
I don't know that I can ever trust Matt Harrison fully.
I guess it’s better than AJ Burnett in an elimination game.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
i'm ready for this....Go Rangers !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'll be interested to see the crowd in St. Pete
with it being a 2:07 EST start time, and the Rays down 2-1…
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
I heard that TBS will be piloting some new
crowd CGI technology for this game.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 4, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
heh
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
They will probably try to claim a sell out with 16,000 fans in the seats
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I think today is orthopedic insert giveaway day.
That should bring them in.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Yep, right about nap time
These make good pies.
by Thought_Experiment on Oct 4, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I sense a Kinsler' home run in this game/stadium.. he's due!!
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If we're playing the "he's due" card
I’d say Beltre and Cruz are in line for one as well. They both struck the ball well in their later at bats yesterday.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
true, lots of people are due
but hey, this Rays pitching staff is pretty decent. now if we were playing maybe the Red Sox, I’d expect more home runs..
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Needs moar skipping
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
that a very close 2nd right behind up winning in game 6 against the yankees for my favorite rangers memory.
they moment he starting skipping around the bases is the point were you finally realize that we are going to win a postseason series for once…i’ll never forget it.
Someone has to have a gif of that, right?
If so, bust it out!
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
yea i love that
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'm sorry it's not the gif, but here goes nothing..
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
oops. wrong vid.. but just look for Kinsler's homer down on that Playlist section..
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe this will be the game were so many of our hard hit balls will find some holes.
that’s the main thing that’s been so frustrating about this series….there have been so many balls hit right at people for us it’s annoying.
anyone know what the new "interlocking fingers" gesture is all about yet?
If you have a plan to construct somekind of a crude Twix vagaina, I’m all ears.
- Bob Loblaw
team unity i believe
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Who had less than an ounce of what?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
So yeah, I'm sick of Michael Young hitting into bad luck during this series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'd for sure love to see him and Beltre simultaneously go off on some Jeremy Hellickson
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm feeling it.
The Rangers flop it out on the table today and the Rays look away meekly.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
EVERYBODY GETS A HOME RUN!!!
YOU GET A HOMER! AND YOU GET A HOMER! AND YOU GET A HOMER!!!
For God and country—Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo
No greater love, no sweeter sin, than red hot brass and ice cold gin.
by LoneStarHoosier on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
same here. maybe he'll hit for the cycle today? heh
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
god i was certain that was runs yesterday....fucking great play by Kotchman
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Young hit it hard but right at SS when there were two on in the 6th and Longoria has played
2 or 3 well hit balls as well.
I wonder if there’s a discernible pattern in 5 game series where a home team loses the first game but then wins the next two games?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I doubt it's happened enough to be a pattern.
How about this… the team up 2-1 in a five game series has won 19 of 19 in the AL and 16 of 17 in the NL coming into this year.
2002 Giants are the only one to break things.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
wow those stats are crazy
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
'77 Dodgers came back on the Phillies after losing the first game at home and took them in 4 games.
The ’96 Yankees did it to us as well in four games…thank you, Mike Henneman.
There are so many 5 gamers these days with the Wild Card, I can’t remember who did what and where they did it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It was pressure-filled and usually great baseball.
I don’t mind the move to 7 games for the LCS because you’re more likely to find the better team but those 5 gamers back in the day were great entertainment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't consider ulcers to be great entertainment
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yesterday seemed worse than Game 1 of last year's ALCS or even Game 5 from the ALDS.
I was just certain our bullpenis was going to skull it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Just let Ogando and Feliz handle it
They’ve got starter stuff
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a great sign though!
You were also certain the A’s would win the division.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol but seriously, that was the most nervous I think I've ever been in a Rangers game
Nothing was easy, except maybe when Gonzalez came in and just smoked Johnny Damon.
Everything else was full counts, foul balls, tie/winning run in scoring position, acid-inducing tension.
I’ll take an 11-0 Rangers victory today, please.
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think thats correct
The A’s were up on the Yankees 2-0 in the 2001 ALDS. And the Yankees won that series. So the A’s were also up 2-1 and lost.
But I think thats the only one on the AL side.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what MLB.com said on their recap yesterday.
I suppose it is possible that it is wrong.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I just looked it up.
They are.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 4, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Joey Matches delivers the gold
http://www.bbtia.com/the-clubhouse/2011/10/4/a-pictoral-essay-from-game-three.html
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Only shooting stars break the mold.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Good stuff.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
So much win.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
that 2 seamer is sick
that kind of movement on a 99 mph fastball is ridiculous. mixing that in with one or two other pitches like his slider, and that is enough to get through a lineup a couple times. It’s insane people don’t want to see what he can do from the rotation, but that is for another time.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
If he can refine the slider and throw that 2-seamer for a strike whenever he wants, the guy won't even need a third pitch.
Because he’ll be Randy Johnson. Yep! I said it! Randy fucking Johnson!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I want him to be our Verlander.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
amazing stuff
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This has nothing to do with today
Well it kinda does…I guess.
But does anyone else think they trade Torrealba and roll with Napoli/Treanor next year?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Oct 4, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
I could see that happening
’Vit might actually nab some decent pieces in return, too.
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe but I kinda like having 3 catchers on the roster.
since Naps could get some looks at 1st base
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Yes. This has been an ongoing discussion for about two months now.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Whoa...Listening to the radio.
I did not know Murphy’s numbers against LH pitching were that bad.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
It is on 103.3 today, yes?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Gingerale parties and colby pounding bud lights. please make this happen again.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Oct 4, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
Koji Uehara stalking Craig Sager!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Oct 4, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
"Ima stira hera, Sageru!"
/racist
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
poor Koji I actually think he is a super happy fun time addition... just wish he wasn't sucking at the moment
If knowledge is power, why does Stephen Hawking need batteries?
by lamron on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Torrealba is a pretty good asset
having somone of his calibre does keep Napoli from having to catch too many games. I like Treanor and all, but he’s filler. Torrealba can hit.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
We don't want to go back to the catching situation of the post-Pudge years.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont think anyone said you should get rid of Torrealba and Napoli
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
But if Napoli misses significant time we would have to roll with Treanor and Teagarden
meh.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
you could say this about almost any star player
and their subs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
What do we roll with if Elvis misses significant time?
What did we roll with in 2010 when we were AL Champions?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Besides that, TeaBag is gone via 6 year FA
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Bring Profar up!
And I’m saying there is not a great need to move Torrealba as having 2 very good catchers is much better than having none. Of course it depends on what you can get back, but if the haul is no better than a couple middling prospects then I’m not that interested. Just hold on to him and he may be type A status after next year.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If they put that shift on again
I want to see Mitch get four bunt singles
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
bunting should be an integral part of his game the way he is being played
he needs to work on it, and get one down, especially if you are batting at the bottom of the order.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well
He’s so slow that it can’t just be any bunt. If a pitcher can make the play on it at all, he’ll probably gun down Mitch
Any idea how Hellickson typically lands?
I would think against an RHP, Mitch could lay down a pretty mediocre bunt along the third-base line and things would work out well for him.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Looks that way.
Weird.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Good work.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
That’s a weird landing spot. Doesn’t bode well for Mitch bunting.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And then they adjusted, no?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hamilton trollin
LyleMSpencer Lyle Spencer
Josh Hamilton re: Guerrero, Napoli: “I think we’re going to look at who we can get from the Angels next year.” Ouch.
I like steak.
by hornedfrogs45 on Oct 4, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
or Trout
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Trout makes Bourjos expendable!
Make it happen, JD.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
we already have our Bourjos
his name is Gentry
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'd rather have Bourjos.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad it can't be Trumbo.
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
imagine if we had both Napoli and Trumbo on our team.
wow, i might just jizz in my pants.
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Trumbo isn't good though.
I like steak.
by hornedfrogs45 on Oct 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO, i think he's a pretty good player
and he’s only going to improve
"He’s not like Floyd Mayweather who keeps on running. This one likes to go toe-to-toe. That’s what I want. We have similar styles." ~ Manny Pacquiao
by pinoyintegrity on Oct 4, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing he has going for him is power
He wasn’t expected to be more than a filler until Morales returned before the season began.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He gives me a very Hank Blalock vibe
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
no.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He's Chris Davis.
Remember how cool it was when the league didn’t have Chris Davis’s number in his rookie season, and he was pearing the shit out of the ball, despite not hitting for a high average or walking?
Remember how that worked out in the long run? YEAH.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
we don't want Trumbo
We used to have him……his name was Chris Davis.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
ugh
really? I’d take Tony Reagins as a towel boy before that
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Oct 4, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
as our #8 or #9 hitter
yeah, I’d take him, but I haven’t given up on Moreland.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That's the thing
He is not a clear upgrade over Moreland. He offers more power, but less plate discipline. If you are not getting a clear upgrade at 1B then you just stick with Moreland.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the org has given up on Moreland either
LSB just needs someone to bash, and Mitch has been slumping lately.
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, I don't think that's it, exactly.
He has been trending downward for a while now. That doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around for next year, but…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Moreland is a 1B
You need to get more production out of a 1b than what Mitch has done or even promises to do
he promised me a lot
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
bastard
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You fell for the country charm?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like.
If you have a plan to construct somekind of a crude Twix vagaina, I’m all ears.
- Bob Loblaw
I don't know about that last part.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He put up a .357 wOBA last year in ~1/3 of a season
with a .275 BABIP. How can a .340 wOBA be all he promises to do?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That's different.
I assume we’re talking about ceiling here. Chris Davis has a very high ceiling, just a low likelihood of reaching it. Moreland doesn’t have that ceiling, but it’s still better than a .340 wOBA.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The BB rate trends are not encouraging though.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Davis also had an excellent debut
And I’m not talking about ceiling. I’m talking about career trajectory
Ok, that's fine.
When you said ever promises to be, I assumed you meant ceiling.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Inorite?
You need production, period. Sure, we don’t have a superstar 1B like Pujols, Texeira, or Fielder, but we have an outfield that can mash, a third baseman and a catcher who can mash, a second baseman who can mash, and a league-leading DH/utility guy. And Elvis.
I’d say that makes up for Moreland not being Albert Pujols.
Any children caught doing the Wave will be sold to the circus.- Chuck Morgan
I've decided that the Angels are really zombies. You shoot them, club them, hammer them, decapitate them, and they just keep shambling on after you.- iblum
by WildcatPhoenix on Oct 4, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Guzman or Mazara will be the answer
We have some time before our lineup will have a pressing need for upgrades.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Those guys are 4-7 years away.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If either makes it in 4
I’m doing a no pants dance.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Who are you thinking?
A Derek Lee/ Lyle Overbay type?
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm talking current FA market
Outside of Pujols and Prince who should we be looking at as an upgrade for Moreland.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
oh
I’m not sure. Trades are a possibility as well. You can probably pick up a guy better than Moreland by dealing a not so great but decent prospect.
Yo quiero LoMo
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
Well.. you can't expect an all star at every position.
I think you always consider upgrading where you can… but there are a finite number of dollars to be spent.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There's a chance Mitch can give you average.
And you know he’s cheap.
The most likely scenario is that the Rangers give him another opportunity to see if he can be cheap and average.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
How about...
Kendrys Morales? Trumbo makes him expendable and you know he will be cheap. Of course, that is if he ever walks again.
by Texas Stranger on Oct 4, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
We were pretty lucky with Napoli.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
are*
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need the position player version of Brandon Webb
Make sure he is in baseball shape first.
by dumdum000333 on Oct 4, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be the best trolling ever.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's almost so perfect that I will now sacrifice things to the baseball gods to bring it about.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Hellickson has a BABIP of .223 this season.
He also has the highest differential between his ERA and xFIP. Hopefully the law of averages goes the Rangers way this afternoon.
I like steak.
Old but I just saw this...
The Best Of Jeremy Hellickson Friday Night
May 14th, 2011
The Tampa Bay Rays knew they had a good one in RHP Jeremy Hellickson. Since he was drafted in 2005, Hellickson tore through the minor leagues and was impressive in 10 appearances in 2010.
With comparisons to Greg Maddux, a lot was expected of Hellickson going into the 2011 season. So far he has done nothing but impress and on Friday night, we saw the best of the 24-year-old.
Hellickson pitched his first career complete game shutout on Friday night against Baltimore Orioles as the Rays beat the Orioles 3-0.
Hellickson allowed just four hits (three singles and a double), one walk, and struck out three in the 120-pitch masterful performance. He induced 11 groundball outs, 12 flyball outs, and threw first-pitch strikes to 24 out of the 31 batters he faced. His 77 percent first-pitch strike percentage was 19 percent higher than his season average.
The key pitch for Hellickson against the Orioles was his dominant changeup. He threw 45 of them on the night and got an amazing 15 swings and misses. Hellickson has always relied on his changeup throughout the season (31.7 percent of his pitches this season were changeups), but he really relied on that pitch on Friday night.
Take a look at Hellickson’s pitch type plot courtesy of PitchFX…
The changeups are in yellow. I count only six of Hellickson’s 45 changeups to be considered up in the zone. The rest are low in the zone and the only thing a hitter can do with those pitches are either lay off of them or hit them into the ground.
Hellickson is a great a great talent and with him and David Price leading the way in Tampa, the Rays are going to have a one-two punch at the top of their rotation that will rival any team in baseball. On Friday night, Hellickson took a big step in putting himself on the level of his teammate.
If knowledge is power, why does Stephen Hawking need batteries?
He has been good
But we will see what happens
by Steve B on Oct 4, 2011 12:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2.94 ERA with a 4.44 FIP wow
Hes been lucky
by Steve B on Oct 4, 2011 12:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's more complicated than that.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
82% LOB (#2 in the baseball)
probably has something to do with it as well.
I like steak.
by hornedfrogs45 on Oct 4, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Brilliant defense behind and inducing weak contact with the CH. Nevertheless, that .223 BABIP will rise (and significantly) sooner or later.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Fangraphs talked about all this today... the Rays might be scary good if this guy figures it out next year with Matt Moore and Price
If knowledge is power, why does Stephen Hawking need batteries?
Does this support the old cliche "knows how to pitch"?
Don’t get me wrong, the Maddux comp is blasphemous, but could it be that Hellickson just has a very advanced approach given a good, but not great, arsenal of pitches to choose from?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The opposite, really.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Alexi in the first half
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
Sure.
But the relevant question isn’t “Has Hellickson gotten luckier in actual results than his peripherals would suggest?”; the relevant question is “How many runs are the Rays likely to give up when Hellickson is starting?”
LOB%, BABIP, etc are all kept at lower than average in the second scenario, but not the first.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
any live streaming today?
did the 103.3 radio work yesterday? are they doing that again today?
answers, people
love you,
TDT
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
someone posted a link saying they were
i didnt check it out.
can anyone confirm this?
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Oct 4, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
We NEED a video feed link!
Please, for those of us stuck in the office.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
yeah!!!
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Oct 4, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
harrison today?
i wish harrison and holland would shave together.
like shave brothers. that would be great
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
Ever.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 4, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Oct 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
does anyone else get the nervous shits?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Oct 4, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
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