Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 9:38 AM CDT
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PrintNovember 1. We're in offseason mode.
Jeff Wilson writes that the Rangers' focus this offseason is primarily going to be on keeping the core in place, and mentions Mike Napoli, Josh Hamilton, and Ian Kinsler as players who can be free agents after 2012.
I wouldn't personally include Kinsler in that group, since he has a team option for 2013 at $10 million that is almost certain to be exercised, but nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me if Kinsler or Napoli end up signing extensions this offseason. It would surprise me if Hamilton does...at this point, I expect 2012 to be Hamilton's last season in Texas.
Behind the paywall, Evan Grant writes that the Rangers have some big decisions looming.
Richard Durrett looks at a huge question this offseason -- do the Rangers want to bring C.J. Wilson back? At this point, I'm guessing he's gone, but we shall see.
The S-T's notes talk about Colby Lewis having his option picked up, the team inviting the entire coaching staff back for 2012, and Mitch Moreland's wrist tendinitis. The piece seems to indicate that Moreland's wrist problem is being taken into account when the team is judging his play this year, which would seem to suggest they're leaning towards handing him the first base job for 2012 and seeing what he does if he's healthy for a full season.
T.R. Sullivan's article at the Rangers website also talks about Moreland, saying the team is committed to him as their first baseman next season, and the possibility of signing guys to extensions and moving Neftali Feliz to the rotation.
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The Nationals are getting a lot of the talk right now as being the lead for signing him....
Not that this has anything to do with the Nats and CJ but the Nats are obviously not above overpaying for free agents (Jayson Werth). I could see them assuming that Texas is going to offer something around Weaver money and stepping that up….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I see the Rangers offering
4-5 years at $15 mil per. Which IMO definitely doesn’t keep him around.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
by safeman on Nov 1, 2011 10:38 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
With CJ's recent comments, though,
I don’t think it’s a done deal that he bolts for an extra couple mil per year. In other words, I think if we make something like a 5 for 80 offer, and the Nats go 5 for 90, he might very well stay. That might just be my CJ infatuation talking, but that’s how I’ve read his recent comments.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Oh, yeah...that's entirely possible....
I just wonder if the Nats are really serious about wanting CJ to go next to Strasburg and will go up to $100 mil…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, 5 for 100 makes it pretty much impossible that CJ would stay.
I’d love him for it if he did, but completely understand if he didn’t.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's almost always about the money
and when it’s not about the money. It’s still about the money.
Except when it's not.
CJ isn’t Cliff Lee. He’s our guy. That may well not be quite enough to keep him here, if the money’s just stupid, but I don’t think this will be just a monetary decision. Heck, even Lee’s decision wasn’t JUST about the money.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Cliff took less money...
It just wasn’t with us…
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Nov 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's my point.
Other factors come in to play sometimes, and from the quotes I’m seeing from Ceej, it appears this MIGHT be one of those times.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So you want to extend Napoli (how much? how long?) who has exactly one season
with more than 114 games played and let Josh go although he’s only 5 months older?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't think those two players are directly comparable
Hamilton is going to be a lot more expensive than Napoli both in AAV and in total years. Also Hamilton’s injury history is far more extensive than Napoli’s.
I would be surprised if they sign Napoli to an extension. They hesitated to do so with CJ Wilson. I expect the same treatment to Napoli who doesn’t have a long history of being a full-time player much like CJ didn’t as a starter.
If the Rangers are wanting Napoli to play catcher for 100 games and DH/1B for 50
I’d guess the comparable deal out there would be VMart (4/50)…but Napoli had a better year than VMart, is younger and will be catching more games.
I’m guessing his agent starts the negotiations at 5/70, maybe more.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
VMart has a much longer record than Napoli
Though much worse defense while doing it. Still, I’m not sure how you can honestly believe he’ll want a year and twenty million more than VMart got.
Btw, still hilarious how much you wanted VMart, yet won’t give JD credit for going out and getting someone who ended up being much better.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 1, 2011 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When I gave out JD's off-season grade (B+) yesterday, I gave him major credit
for the Napoli trade…said it was his second best move ever (next to the Cobra signing).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Above Feliz, Dirty Harry and Elvis?
I know you like Tex, but there’s no way we were going to keep him.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
JD gave up a HOFer on the doorstep of his prime for Elvis et al.
It’s a trade that has worked out quite well for the Rangers but JD gave up one of the best players this organization has ever had to do it.
Frankie is slightly above average to good relief pitcher and his loss helped throw our bullpenis in shambles but Napoli was an absolute monster this season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
No, I would have given him an A- with a WS win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You gave Sabaen an A+ last season, right?
What was better about Sabean’s last season than JD’s current season?
He won the world series.
Josey’s lense is anything but objective. Some people around here act as prescription glasses to Josey but in the end his viewpoint is too far gone to be corrected.
by Heebs on Nov 1, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's nothing a GM needed to do...
To help this team get one more strike… twice.
The roster was definitely good enough to win. You don’t judge process based on results.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The boil on This Thing's ass all season was the bullpen
and it’s what ended up killing us in Game 6.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The same bullpen that won the ALCS and ALDS for us?
That multiple articles were written right before the World Series as it being our huge strength and one of the best in baseball?
That bullpen?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I made the same point yesterday....it's hopeless.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that bullpen...it was a major strength because
Ogando shifted from being a starter to the pen but he was cooked in the World Series.
If we have a better bullpen all season, we win 105 games and the World Series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Winning 105 games means nothing.
There is no difference for this club in winning 96 vs 105.
We’d have played the same teams in the playoffs and still gone to the World Series.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's not entirely true.
You don’t know how those 9 extra wins are distributed. Could have given the Rays one more loss.
Sure...
But I don’t think that argument means we win the World Series because of it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Do you think the bullpen was a strength for the team this year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Not at first. But it became the reason they won
the ALDS and ALCS.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
And Ogando shifting to the pen was
a big reason why they won those series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What's the point you're making?
One poor game from the bullpen erases the rest they did?
Please, explain.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The second half of the season
Even before the acquisitions of Adams, Koji (who did have a fantastic September) there was improvement.
Once we brought Yoshi up and Lowe figured somethings out.
It wasn’t best in the league, but it was top half.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ranger relief pitchers had a 4.11 ERA
for the season which ranked 12th in the AL.
Yes, you don’t evaluate relief pitchers individually by ERA because a few bad outings can skew the picture but this was over 447 IPs.
We had a shitty bullpen for most of the season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Look at it month by month.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What difference does it make if we win 105 games versus 96?
We still had home field advantage in the ALDS and ALCS. Seriously, what are you getting at?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Aren't you the guy who always harps about Billy Beane
And isn’t Beane the guy whos philosophy is to take the first couple months of the season and see what you got and then address it in the summer.
Well JD did that to the T this year. First couple months our bullpen was shaky and the obvious weakness on our club. So in the summer he brought up Yoshi to stabilize things and then went out and got arguably the two best relievers on the market.
I shredded Billy Beane this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
this makes no sense...
Even if we won 105 games we still play the same teams in the playoffs and still come within 1 strike of winning it all. Unless you were clamoring for us to get rid of Feliz all season (which you weren’t) then he is still the one on the mound in the last inning of game 6. Quit being a dumbass for once.
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're trying to be rational with someone
Who has an idea in his head of a magic 1st half bullpen that would make the Rangers win NINE EXTRA GAMES!!
I have no idea why anyone would take that argument seriously.
its close enough.
The point is that either way Feliz is the one on the mound at the end of game 6. There’s no legitimate way to say that improving the bullpen definitely leads to a championship.
Not to mention that claiming an improved bullpen leads to 9 extra wins is stupid in its own right.
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 11:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If we have a better bullpen, we win Game 6 and there
is never a race in the AL West.
We had a shitty bullpen for most of the season…what JD constructed the first four months was awful and it was because of that awful bullpenis construction that we had to give up more assets to get Adams & Koji…and Koji was another bag of shit.
WTF…a B+ isn’t a terrible grade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It's just dumb
Becuase you can’t have a much better off-season and trading deadline than JD this past year.
Bullshit...see JD's 2010
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And Koji was a failed acquisition
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And if you have a better bullpen to begin
with you don’t have to give up more assets to trade for Mike Adams.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If you judge a trade by its results rather than the methodology
Than you have to see the rest of the results. We’ll see if Hunter and Davis do anything.
what?
How does an improved bullpen definitely win game 6 for us? Oliver and feliz would have been on the poatseason roster no matter who we picked up. They had the biggest hand in losing that game for us. How would things have been different with the improved bullpen you keep claiming we should have had?
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
IT WASN'T A RACE IN THE AL WEST.
WE WON BY 10 GAMES, HOLY CHRIST.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
We were only up 1.5 games on September 10.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
you still havent answered how a bwtter bullpen guarantees a win in game 6.
I would love to hear you give an actual answer instead of just making general statements about how we would have won the division by more than 10 games.
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A better bullpen doesn't blow two two-run leads when you're one out away from winning the World Series..
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Don't know about that but it gets JD an A-
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Aubrey Huff, Sanchez, Burrell, Torres, Lopez
acquisitions…bringing up Posey and Baumgardner at the right time….getting Cody Ross…winning the World Series.
A fucking +.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Because process is always judged by results, then.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You'd value
Huff + Sanchez + Burrell + Torres + Lopez
More than Beltre + Napoli + Endy + Gentry + Tateyama?
I don’t need to look at which collection of stats turned out more favorably.
Every year and every team is different, Jobu
The moves of Brian Sabean are a big reason the San Francisco Giants won the World Series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sabean fell bassackwards into a luckbox full of four-leaf clovers.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
big whoop.
With a better bullpen they win 105 games and the NL West isn’t even a race.
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So if Cruz catches a flyball
The bullpen suddenly looks better, and JD suddenly gets a different grade.
Makes all the sense in the world.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
by Aqua on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why did Cruz just look so bad on that play?
Has anyone addressed it? I LOVE what Cruz did this post-season, but that play was horrible. What happened?
"Say, you don't think there's any way I can get that quarter
From underneath your pointy boot, do ya?"
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Nov 1, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
ball took off on him i believe
other than that…maybe he was hurting.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
whays hard for me to understand
Is how you think different players would have been on the field in those situations if we had a better bullpen. Should we have had a different closer than feliz? If so, who?
Even if we improve our bullpen even more he was still going to be our closer. Improving the bullpen doesn’t make him throw one extra strike in game 6.
by michael bluth on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're incorrigible.......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Guys.....stop.....seriously....
This was driven into the ground yesterday (I’m partially to blame)…JW will never give JD the proper credit he deserves…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
and its damn shame
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Who cares?
JD gets an A, gets a 76, he gets an F.
Who the mother fuck cares? Why do we care so much what a guy who none of us have ever met posts on the internet? Do you think JD reads this and cries at night thinking, “I’ve got to try harder so poster Josey Wales will give me a better grade on my moves.”
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 1, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Christ, why do you care so much whether people reply to him?
Bring up a better topic at the bottom of the thread and people will reply to that.
I think there are already better topics at bottom of thread
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
I don't really make a point of doing this
But I was here yesterday and it was an asswhip.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 1, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
why the hell do you care soo much anyways? not like i'm arguing w/ the guy
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
It's really not
Nobody should care if he gives JD credit. We know he’s wrong. We know his mind will never be changed. Just move on.
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AM I ARGUING W/ ANYONE??
good lord.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
no shit
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Jesus
You guys have a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome. There are tons of people who won’t even come into the morning thread anymore because the World’s Most Successful Troll is holding court. Yes, there are tons of things more interesting than arguing one guy’s arbitrary grade for 45 days in a row.
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Morning thread is where baseball discussion happens
Nowhere else to go for that.
Instead of wasting your time on this, why don’t you reply to other subthreads?
just talking great game robert l bishop
lol
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I've given JD an A- and a B+ the last two years.
I also said I had no problem with him winning Executive of the Year in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's not what I said...I said the Napoli Trade was his second best move.
What JD should have done is not trade AG for 5 bags of shit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
We had an owner who wasn't willing to pay him.
Besides, Tex right now is not in a good way. His average has dipped considerably, he’s on the wrong side of 30, and hasn’t produced in the playoffs.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about that....Tex rejected a really nice offer from Texas....
He was just greedy and wanted to go on the FA market…I don’t blame him for that plus it resulted in the Rangers getting a haul….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
And I said it was a trade that worked out very well for the Rangers.
I don’t know where to rank it in JD’s moves but it was certainly a gamechanger.
My only issue with it is that it came at a great cost…a HOFer in his prime.
The Cobra move was genius…good lord, look at how much starting pitching costs and the Napoli trade came relatively cheap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I was responding to hornedfrog....
I wasn’t asking for your opinion because I just don’t care…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's some stats for you
Player A: .281 BA, .373 OBP, .532 SLG, .904 OPS, 314 HR, 132 OPS+
Player B: .266 BA, .344 OBP, .507 SLG, .851 OPS, 306 HR, 120 OPS+
Player C: .283 BA, .355 OBP, .494 SLG, .850 OPS, 328 HR, 120 OPS+
Player D: .279 BA, .379 OBP, .500 SLG, .870 OPS, 278 HR 128 OPS+
Are any of these players HOF’ers in your mind?
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Which player has several GG's, is a mortal lock to hit
450-500 HRs and won a championship for the most celebrated team in the history of the sport?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well...
Mark Teixeira has been to one world series since his career started.
The Rangers have been to two in that span and a large part of their success is due to pieces received in the Teixeira deal.
Even Josey logic doesn’t support your Josey argument.
Didn't I say the Tex Trade was a gamechanger for the Rangers?
I just don’t think it was as good as the Cobra signing or the Napoli Trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You talk about the trade as if the Rangers shouldn't have done it
As if you should NEVER trade a fringy future Hall of Famer. It was the right trade for the team. There is absolutely no doubt. It really worked out for the team and the player. Everybody won.
No argument here, Heebs.
Tex is still going to the HOF and the trade was a gamechanger for the Rangers.
I just think it wasn’t as good a move as signing Cobra and trading for Napoli.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Tex did nothing during that championship run in the playoffs.
Nothing.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
141 PA ain't a SSS, either.
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually it is.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Honest question here:
What’s the threshold?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Depends on the ox being gored.
If Face is 3 for 27 in the playoffs, Vast Segments consider him a worthless piece of shit.
If Nelson Cruz has nearly 350 plate appearances against LH pitching and is still STBF, that’s considered a SSS by the Vast Segments.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I wanted a serious answer.
Not JW whining.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Who was right on the latter?
Hint: not you
by Jobu. on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on the stat
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-samples-become-reliable/ is a decent starter.
Thanks.
Will read.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the specific numbers, since they're looking for a not-super-high correlation (though that some things didn't stabilize even at 650 is interesting)
but the overall trend is very informative: the less things involved, the smaller the sample you need. Only the batter decides if he’s going to swing, so that one is very quick. Contact rate depends just on the batter and pitcher for a single pitch, so it’s next. Then you get to things that are either cumulative results of other stuff or more “complicated” with more stuff to get right, and then there’s a lot more noise.
So, something like OPS would take a much greater sample, then.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Yeah, they found it to be 500,
but interestingly AVG didn’t even by 650. It’s curious that SLG did while AVG didn’t, but that could just be noise itself; I’d take the general trend as gospel but maybe not the specific numbers.
Or it could be that the wider range of SLG means it tells you more — it’s harder to just be “getting lucky” pounding out doubles, triples, and homers than just getting lucky to maintain a 300 AVG with a high BABIP for a while. Actually, I like this explanation.
This is all very informative.
I like the link you gave me, as that guy’s writing is very accessible.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So he'll put up Fred McGriff or Carlos Delgado numbers.
Both not in the HoF.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Check out Jim Rice's numbers. Check out Johnny Mize's numbers.
Teixeira is going to the HOF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Check it.
Source: FanGraphs — Mark Teixeira, Albert Belle
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Belle is kind of a special case though.
Due to the era he played in and how much he pissed EVERYONE off.
Belle was a great talent… but writers vote on the the HOF and they hate him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And if Tex gets in, it'll be because of the YANKEE mystique
He doesn’t deserve to make it. His numbers are so damn empty.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Has he ever been the best player on his own team?
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm Sharkying myself here, but 2005 was the one time.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Though...
Belle and Jim Rice are an interesting comparison… everyone hated Rice too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not everyone.
The writers might not have liked him when he played but he seemed to soften a bit after he retired. Maybe it has to do something with dealing with the press every day. And perhaps the writers forgot after awhile, they didn’t like him.
Jim Rice
Also took 15 years to get in, and is seen as a terrible choice by many.
So the old school people barely voted him in, and the new school analysts (which there will be more of when Tex retires) would likely have kept him out.
Lesson: don’t use Jim Rice as a HOF comparison. Use legit hall of famers.
Like Andre Dawson?
438 HRs / .323 OBP.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm shocked JD didn't reference that B+ in the press conference yesterday as one of his
major disappointments this season….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
One will probably cost $40m-ish
The other perhaps over $100m-ish.
Not exactly apples to apples.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Bullshit.
You’re not getting Napoli that cheap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Do you think you'd pay Napoli even half of what you'd have to pay Josh?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If VMart got 4/50, you're not getting Napoli for $ 40 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
40-ish.
Maybe 45. Maybe 50. But that ballpark.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep
buying out an arb year too.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Nov 1, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
He'd be a dumbass to sign that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Unlikely
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Your u-turn on Napoli
Whom you described about three months ago as:
Part time player
Comes with instructions
One trade too many
And when he had one bad play you commented “Scioscia nodding” [paraphrase]
V-Mart has a much longer track record than Napoli… you’ve pointed this out many times when you called Napoli a part time player and a guy who shit the bed in his only season over 500 PAs.
The balls of hindsight must be very warm right now.
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by Brad on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not allowed to change your opinion on a player?
The rest of MLB is the same way…think Anthopolis properly evaluated Napoli?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sure you can.
But you’re going to tell me if you someone you knew threw out some HSOs and then did a complete 180 a few months later you wouldn’t give them shit about it?
But seriously… Napoli isn’t young, doesn’t have a long track record of amazing success, is somewhat injury prone and plays a position that tends to break a player down.
After one good year with only 432 PAs, $40-ism million is pretty fair. If he comes back in 2012 and does it again… well then shit gets more expensive.
This is just like you’re thought that $48m would have signed CJ last winter.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Napoli is younger than VMart was last November. He's perceived (justifiably so)
as being much better than VMart both with the stick and behind the plate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
What would you offer Napoli right now?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
5/67
One more year and $ 1 million more per than VMart received.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
When you offer an early contract
The point is to offer less than a FA contract, while allowing the player to hedge against risk.
by Jobu. on Nov 1, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you weren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway. :)
4 for 48.
Just less per annum that VMart, based upon his injury history, as well as his lack of track record.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Or, if he wants the extra year, 5 for 55.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If he wants 5 years, he can go fuck himself
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
See below.
I wasn’t taking into account a few factors which pretty much invalidate my post that you replied to here.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He's not a FA though.
There should be some discount for him signing early.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
right
If not a monetary discount, then reduced number of years, which would probably work out best for us anyway.
I wouldn’t mind giving him his full market rate, but with 1-2 less years on the end, or club friendly options on the last couple years.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
This is true. Wasn't thinking about it that way.
Reading through the discussion below, maybe a 3 for 30 offer might be more in line, with 4 for 38, and 5 for 44 (or something like that) also out there for discussion.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Unless Napoli has the same agent Colby Lewis has.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Yeah...and what do you think it will take to sign Napoli given what VMart received?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'd offer him 3 years, $25 million
Maybe a 4th year team option at $12 million with a $2 million buyout.
If that doesn’t do it, then I’d do a one year deal and re-evaluate after 2012.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Napoli's situation is a perfect situation for why you would
He’d be capitalizing on his best performance. What happens if he gets injured or reverts back to pre-2011 performance?
He'd be a fool to sign that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
he doesn't have a track record JW.....you can't compare him to VMart
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Not as long a track record plus being still in arbitration
Its like people comparing the Weaver contract to what CJ should get. Totally different beasts
So what's going to happen with the booth next year?
Do w know who will TAG’s partner be?
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me fail english?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
trade chips
If JD wanted to pull off a significant trade for a TORP or a legit 1b, what are the chips that you could realistically see him dealing? What do we have that we could headline a big deal with?
Feliz? one of the young rotation lefties? Ogando? Martin Perez?
I think if we look at what he might be willing to deal we can more realistically see what type impact players, if any, might possibly be added…
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Which TORP?
Kershaw? As discussed on Sunday, it’s going to take a load of prospects and at least one major league player….
Is there anyone you had in mind?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
for shits and grins say Votto is on the table
Would you send Feliz, Ogando, Murphy, and Profar?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Too much....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
For a 23 y/o ace?
Oh my god I do that in a heartbeat.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought this was for Kershaw. Hell no for Votto.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd do it as well for Kershaw but reluctantly
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I guess you have to think about it realistically.
The odds of Profar becoming an elite player, in the grand scheme of things, is slim, given the history of baseball.
He’s 23, man. 23!!!
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
giving up Feliz is what I'd have trouble with
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
wow
i got torn to shreds for asking about Profar (which I agree w/ hornedfrogs45) , Martin and MY. MY is a contract we could do w/o, and I would not give up any combo of Feliz/Ogando.
He's revising the hell out of the history here.
This is what he’s talking about.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/10/30/2524695/sunday-morning-rangers-things#81600869
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I have a feeling that "he" might be a "she."
“hateball” = “Little Ball of Hate”?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He said he played ball for 15 years.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I think he also said he was 13.
Misinformation by JFE, perhaps?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I was being sarcastic
but obviously everything said on here is truth to you Aqua.
I can let shit go, but you truly are an internet douche.
Got me right where I live, ouch.
What ever will I do now that hateball called me a douche?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I was being sarcastic.
but obviously everything said on here is truth to you hateball.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
interesting -- I have never seen Aqua on one of my favorite sites several years ago (before it was popular)
Douchebags with hot chicks. A site I learned about here, where many listed their favorite sites.
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by Scruffy Nurfherder on Nov 1, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's an actual place?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
with hot chicks
I stopped visiting once he made an MTV show
"Say, you don't think there's any way I can get that quarter
From underneath your pointy boot, do ya?"
by Scruffy Nurfherder on Nov 1, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
there's no 'revising the hell out of history"
I plain and simply said Kershaw for Martin, Profar and MY… Those were mere suggestions.
Yes, and
this was a Really Bad Idea™.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
its not gonna go well
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Along w/ a lot of ideas I have seen on here.
Good god I never should have goteen in the “threads” it has ruined what I always thought was a great site.
its still a great site.....just dont take things personally
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
And those bad ideas are roundly criticized as well.
What kind of baby gets their feelings hurt so badly from criticism?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I've had some (okay a lot of) Really Bad Ideas myself.
The key when you have one, is to just admit it, and move on, instead of defending it, or claiming you were being sarcastic. If you do that, most people here are quite forgiving of such Really Bad Ideas.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
And it was a BAD suggestion,
and as such, was roundly ridiculed. It’s nothing to be offended by at all. As I mentioned above, just admit it was a terrible idea (suggestion, whatever) and move on.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm curious what this is in response to
Because your opinion actually means something to me, unlike hateball’s.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
To his trade suggestion,
and his characterization of the response to it here…
hateball is a new poster? I haven’t been paying attention.
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I can't imagine why anyone would think you got your feelings hurt. : |
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:'(
This crybaby shit is annoying.
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no one is going to take MY's contract
i’d only give up profar for an ace….which Kershaw is without a doubt
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i would do many things to get our hands on kershaw.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 1, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
You are misremembering
Your quote was not Young, Profar, AND Martin
It was Young, Profar, or Martin
Huge huge difference. Even if you meant “and” it would still be a ridiculous proposal but not as bad
What does Hollands shirt say?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, that's awesome
I think I need one of those.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Indians
•Indians GM Chris Antonetti told Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that he visited Sizemore’s Arizona home to tell him that the Indians had decided to decline his option. The decision was “very difficult” for Antonetti, but he determined that there were better ways for the Indians to spend the $8.5MM they saved.
Hard for me to believe that he would say this, then go spend $5M of the 8.5 they saved on Grady Sizemore on Derek Freaking Lowe. If I was an Indians fan this would really piss me off.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Unless
he’s broken and can’t play.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Nov 1, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Sizemore hasn't been a very good player lately and he's a huge injury risk
Lowe is a pretty good middle of the rotation piece for a team that wants to contend. I can see it.
Derek Lowe
is NOT a “pretty good middle of the rotation piece for a team that wants to contend”. My guess is that he is one of, if not the worst, SP in the AL next season. He’s horrible.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Yah, I guess you're right
I just looked up his numbers. He’s really fallen off a cliff in the last 3 years. Not good for a soon to be 39 year old.
I didn't realize he was that old...
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Derek Lowe has a career FIP of 3.74
And an xFIP of 3.64.
His 5.04 ERA last year was misleading, and he was a solid pitcher before that.
He’s a good middle of the roto starter.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
3.79*
3.66*
5.05*
I decided to put four on the end of everything4
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and Grady Sizemore averaged 7 WAR over the 3 year period from 06-08
Neither is likely to reach their peak level of performance, but I really believe Lowe is going to be sub replacement level. His sinker doesn’t look like it sinks much anymore, his second half and particularly September were just brutal.
I’d much rather spend $8.5 on Sizemore and hope that he can do something like what Beltran did last year, which seems a much more reasonable gamble than betting on a washed up sinkerballer with 88 mph fastball IMO.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Sizemore isn't the same player that he was on 06-08.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
right, but which do you think is a better allocation of resources?
Derek Lowe for $5M
or
Grady Sizemore for $8.5N
seems like a no brainer to me.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
I'd probably rather have Lowe for $5m.
Sizemore might not give you $1m worth of value.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Lowe might not return $1M either
You don’t think there is a chance that Sizemore could put together a Carlos Beltran 2011 type season?
I just think that Lowe is completely toast and the chance that Sizemore comes back seems much more likely, and if he comes back to 75% of where he was that is worth a lot more to me than the replacement level innings that you are going to get from Lowe, IMO.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Yeah, a LAIE might be especially valuable for Cleveland
Didn’t they have a lot of turmoil in their rotation this year?
I can't think of an example of a declining NL pitcher moving to the AL
and having success.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
He's moving to the AL Central
If the NL is the junior circuit than the AL Central is the kindergarten circuit.
I think it's more likely that Lowe gives you close to $5m
Than Sizemore gives you close to $5m. And Sizemore costs you $8.5
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
can you think of other pitchers similar to Lowe
moving from NL to AL and having success?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
I'm not expecting Lowe to be awesome.
But if he’s even a 1 WAR pitcher (which I think he can be), he’s probably going to have more value than Sizemore.
Not definitely… but I would rather put my money there than Sizemore.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
just looked at Clev defense, ugh
they are one of the worst in the league, making it even less likely that Lowe is able to produce.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Wrong team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
But Assdribble got nominated for a GG at SS!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
and Derek Lowe has underperformed his FIP and xFIP his entire career, even back when he was good
if I remember correctly.
I think he falls into the Millwood category of giving up high BABIP bc he is throwing 88 mph meatballs up there.
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Sizemore is an icon in Cleveland and has been with the team his entire major league career
They also know more about him and his health and medical situation than anyone else does.
If they don’t think he’s worth paying $8.5 million for, that’s a huge red flag to me.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
How much would you be willing to pay for a "flier" on Sizemore?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm not interested in flyer
We don’t need another outfielder who can’t stay healthy, particularly a lefthanded hitting one.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
So even at, say, $1.5mil+various incentives, you're not a buyer?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Why would Sizemore sign with the Rangers?
At the lowest possible money he could get, with no guarantee of playing time if he isn’t performing right off the bat?
Given that he’s looking to earn his way towards his next big deal?
Because if he DOES come out mashing, he could 25-30 HRs in this ballpark easily.
If he does so, his market value absolutely skyrockets. I just think RBIA might be able to get us a discount on a guy like him.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I think if he gets back to playing his best level
the level he played during his prime…
Then he’d succeed anywhere. I don’t think the fact that me might amass 3 or 4 more HR’s in TBiA is enough to overcome the fact that it’s not a good match.
Isn't he a lefty pull hitter, though?
I would think the difference in HRs would be more than just 3-4. Are there any metrics out there that show such things for batters on a ballpark v. ballpark basis?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You can see how many more HR's the TBiA allows over a season, statistically
And consider Sizemore is doubtful to get a full season’s worth of ab’s. I doubt it projects him to get more than that.
Point being, if Sizemore plays plus defense, puts up a .370 OBP again, and knocks 20 HR’s somewhere, he’s getting paid.
That's true.
And thinking about it, even if the additional HRs number was 6 or 7, it probably wouldn’t add all that much to the contract. The risk/reward just wouldn’t be there for him.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I think the core of this team...
is going to remain with a couple exceptions.
I too think Hamilton will be gone after 2012 and right now I’d say it’s 50/50 that BGL will be back.
I see this team extending Napoli and Andrus this offseason, and trying to work out a deal with Cruz similar to what they did with Hamilton, except trying to buy out one of his FA years. I think they’ll probably wait ’til next year for Ian. We shall see though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
What are the odds they do that with Cruz?
Maybe I’m gunshy, but I’m afraid that as soon as he puts pen to paper, his hamstring falls off.
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough because he'll be 32
And if his next two seasons resemble the previous 2, he’ll be in for a big payday. I’d rather hope that Akins is available by then.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Keep it up guys.
Today’s the day he admits he just argues for argument’s sake and takes his ball home.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Nov 1, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yup.....I'm sorry I ever responded.....it's just so frustrating!!
Won’t make that mistake again…………….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I want Fielder, I've decided
I don’t think the FO agrees with me, though… based on the statements about Moreland.
I think if the club is on the fence about Josh
they will make a strong push for Prince and that should give us somewhat of an inclination of what Josh’s future w/ the team might be.
I think we could easily structure a contract
Where Prince gets $10M in this first year, and defers some of the salary towards later years. We probably have Hamilton’s $15M coming off next season, and Young’s $16M coming off the year after that. So even without further increased payroll, he’d be easily affordable.
Then, with the right cost-cutting, and if the FO agrees to use some TV money, we could get Yu as well.
That’s my pipe dream, anyway.
Yes... I expect any large contract to have a low number for 2012.
For any player.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If the Rangers could raise their payroll to $130M this year
We could acquire both, assuming we have the capital available for the posting fee.
$10M for Yu, $10M for Prince and we could use Murphy, Torrealba, and other potential savings to fill in the rest of the roster.
I've been pondering this issue constantly over the past 24 hours.
Is the Rangers TV Bonus money like $3M dollars or $30M dollars? Can it possibly be close at all the the number that Evan Grant through out last year ($80M)?
I don’t think they had to dip into TV Bonus money yet, though I could be misreading things. But if it’s only $10M bucks or some such, then it might have been used for renovations or some such.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Players generally don't like to defer that much money, though.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Right, you'd have to sell it, to be sure
Cliff Lee took $10M in the first year of his contract with the Phillies.
Crawford took $14M in his first year with the Sox.
Yeah, it'd be a tough sell.
Incidentally, Heyman’s article read much differently from the general feel I got from Olney’s comments regarding how much interest teams have in splashing out big cash this offseason. Olney made it sound like a buyer’s market, Heyman a seller’s market.
Still, I get the feeling that we may end up seeing a buyer’s market this offseason for the elite guys. If that’s the case, then deferred money becomes more feasible.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I agree....
If Prince is here, enjoy Josh’s last season with the Rangers….
And, as much as it pains me to say it, I think I’m more comfortable giving a big contract to Prince than I am Josh….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
If they get
Fielder and Sizemore (obviously on an incentive laden deal), I’d be more than happy with the offseason.
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how about George Sherrill?
seems like he could fill a Darren Oliver role here. Leave the other lefty spot for Mike Gonzalez and Kirkman to fight over.
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I'm with you
trade Torrealba and Moreland for a couple of low-level prospects and get Fielder here now. Thinking about how much he would mash in Rangers Ballpark has me giddy.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Darvish posting fee
Norm Hitzges just said that if the team that wins the post for Davish is unable to sign him, they don’t get the posting fee back. That’s incorrect isn’t it?
Yes... the team gets that money back.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes, that's incorrect...they get the money back....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Good to hear Norm's back in action.
Misinformed or no.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Yep
Closer to the hate him side, but I’d be sad if Galloway got sick.
I liked his talk radio show for a long time.
ok, so why doesn't a team like the Marlins just bid $100M as the posting fee
and then offer Darvish $1 a season just to block him from going to any other team out there?
I’ve always wondered this. There has to be something in place that would keep this from happening, but I’m not sure what it is.
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There isn't anything in place currently.
But acting in bad faith would have ramifications. Rules would certainly change and the Commisioner’s Office might take serious issue with it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Wow, that's the ultimate trolling by Beane. I completely forgot about that.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure the accusations held water, but if that's what happened, yeah.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Because the Japanese player and team would complain there were no good faith negotiations
the MLB would fine the team and the rule would be immediately changed to prevent that.
Offer a not ridiculous but below expectations amount… and you might get away with blocking it but a high profile case would force MLBs hand to change the rule.
Or what just popped up from matchst1ck as I finished.
There has been talk
Of letting the Japanese team choose from the top 3 bids. The A’s did something similar last year I believe where they had no true intention of signing someone but bid a bunch for the posting fee. Haven’t heard anything definitive but there was talk of changing things a bit
by bigsteve on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
This article has Ceej quoted as saying there's a "great chance" hes back.
http://www.scoreboarddaily.com/daily/?p=4330
Obviously thats from his perspective, doesn’t mean much and means even less if the Rangers don’t prioritize him.. but eh there it is.
This makes me want to sign him
I hate not offering contracts to lifelong Rangers who want to come back.
by Jobu. on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm crushing on Darvish right now.
I feel like I’m cheating on CJ.
We need to sign both.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
[whisper]Or at least Darvish...
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Same for me on Darvish......
If the Rangers only signed one FA this offseason, I think I would want it to be him….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
For some reason, I read your last sentence as, "I'll pay for it myself."
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm right there with you.
It would be great to have both, but if I had to choose, I’d take a chance on Darvish.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I'm crushing hard on Darvish.
Would supplant Holland as my favorite pitcher on the staff.
Until Feliz started dominating. Maybe even after that, actually.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It might be 4/60...
But there will be an offer.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well, if he takes 4/60
We probably can’t even attempt for Yu, so if the Rangers are absolutely convinced that they want Yu, they might say they want to wait.
I don't think there is a hard ceiling.
If CJ accepted a 4/60… we can probably have both of them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If you can justify Yu with CJ at 4/60
I don’t see why you can’t just argue for both at front. In which case, I think the $120M ceiling is plain wrong. I don’t see why 4/60 changes things.
I doubt you can defer the salary so much that CJ only receives $5M next year, personally. That’s a real slap to the face (metaphorically and financially).
I don't want Yu Darvish.
He has no track record of success in The Show and the track record of other Japanese pitchers is shaky at best. Look at the Japanese pitchers who have come to Texas…the best of the lot was Otsuka and he broke down in his second year.
The one pitcher that pitched successfully in Japan and made the transition to The Show was a big bad ass John Wayne American motherfucker.
I’d rather sign CJ for something like 5/70…money for somebody who isn’t an ace but is a solid #2 with a track record of success both in The Show and more importantly, in Texas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Players who have never been to The Show clearly will never produce in The Show,
because having never had an opportunity in The Show means that you must not be good enough to play in The Show.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
No...but if the price is more than $ 30 million for Darvish...I pass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Si...big badass John Wayne American motherfucker.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So...which is you:
a) You think Colby has better stuff than Yu, or
b) His John Wayne intangible stuff allows his pitching to succeed where Yu can not?
New metric: JWIS.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You sir are hilarious
I picture you in a getting up from your cube somewhere laughing your ass off as you head out to the ‘back’ to go out for a smoke.
That kind of money isn't getting CJ
And that kind of thinking is why you’re some fucking salesman who gets his ass handed to him on message boards every day.
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by Aqua on Nov 1, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And I found another reason to want Darvish....
JW doesn’t……
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is clearly the only reason why we should get him
i get a boner everytime i watch his offspeed stuff….just filthy.
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That one GIF where the Japanese hitter just looks scared and confused...
My god…
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
must have him here......nasty
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AJM said it yesterday, but the feet-dragging side is very likely the Rangers
They might not be offering even close to 5/85 at this point, and CJ wants the princess treatment.
I think the Rangers are going to drag their feet until the Darvish posting thing is settled.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
what is the timeframe on the whole Darvish process?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
Rumor is...
That he’s going to post after the NPB playoffs are done. His team got eliminated this weekend. They still have their version of the LCS and WS to go. So maybe two weeks before they are fully completed.
But he can post any time… last official word is that he hasn’t decided yet.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
what is the timeline on Darvish posting process?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
5-75 is the most I offer him. I don't care if it was a discount, he doesn't deserve Weaver money.
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by hornedfrogs45 on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
But he does deserve Lackey money
Which is very close to Weaver money. People need to stop using the Weaver contract as a base for CJ. That was a pre-FA contract with a arb year included and a hometown discount was given admittedly by the player. It’s nothing close to CJs situation
by bigsteve on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You don't think CJ is as good as Lackey?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
CJ's not as good as Weaver
You’re suggestion would make me a much bigger idiot than I really am.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh okay... sorry, I mis-read.
I agree Weaver is better (and more importantly younger).
But Weaver took a WELL below market contract. On the open market Weaver would get $120m.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The bigger issue is what the Rangers actually think Wilson's worth.
Wilson’s side will almost certainly throw comps out there, but if the Rangers didn’t think Lackey was worth Lackey money, I have to wonder how impressed they’re going to be by any such comps. The front office has shown it’s willing to disregard MLB consensus on this sort of thing before, and I’d be totally unsurprised if they did the same with Wilson.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I don't think he signs with the Rangers unless he takes a below market value contract.
I think 5/85 will be close to their limit… if not 15m above it.
If he wants to play here… it’ll have to be for some sort of discount probably.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I agree.
I have a hard time seeing them going above 5/$70 million, and I think that would make them swallow hard.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Im fine with this philosophy frmo the Rangers
Because I realize it likely means we dont sign many premium FAs especially pitchers. If the Rangers only value him at 5/70 I dont think theres a snowballs chance in hell he signs with us.
what did we offer in spring training?
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
" But if we suck, what did you think about the 2006 team? "
touche
keep on rockin' in the free world !
Many of them probably have no concept of the 2006 team.
Not that there arn’t longtime fans making similar comments.
I think that was first year I stopped paying attention to baseball before July was over
blargh
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
I won't believe it until I see hard evidence the team plane is on its way to his house
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
BUT HOW WILL WE KNOW THAT???
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
yup, bigsteveAviation
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
He's just the man for the job......
Not quite on the same level as Cliff Lee but it would be no less awesome….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
even tho he didnt sign here...that shit was fun
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
No kidding...I loved how it started here and spread like a firestorm to other sites....
Ahhh, the internet…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Not many charter flights from Japan to the States I dont believe
But I will likely be perusing flightaware once he is posted to see if anything unusual happens
Benji's gonna charter a few just to mess with you.
by Closure GT on Nov 1, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that bastard
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Darvish posting
when is the deadline for bids to be turned in? when is the winner announced?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
He hasn't posted yet.
He hasn’t even fully committed to posting.
Likely he’ll post (assuming he does) within about 3 weeks.
There are four days for teams to submit bids and highest bid wins. Then there is a 30 day negotiation window between the winning club and the player. If they don’t come to terms, the posting fee is returned.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
One thing I didn't mention...
The NPB team has the right to accept no bids. They see the bids without knowing who they come from. Under the current rules, they only see the highest bid (still not knowing who) and make a decision whether to accept it or not. They are not obligated to accept any bid… though I don’t expect this to be an issue for Darvish.
There is talk that they might alter the process to see the top three bids and let the NPB team choose… but I don’t believe that has actually been changed yet.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What if the winning team doesn't come to terms with Darvish?
Does the Japanese team then get the chance to accept the 2nd highest bid and there is another window?
Nope.
Under the current rules the NPB team returns the winning bid to the bidder and the process is done.
Last year the A’s won the posting rights for Hisashi Iwakuma but weren’t even close on contract terms. There was speculation that Beane gamed the system by giving a high bid with no intention of actually signing him… but to make sure no one else could (without spending even more for a higher bid).
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Is there a possibility he could do this again?
Offer a posting fee of like 70mil, and then offer Darvish some crazy shit like 5 for 25, just to keep the Rangers from getting him?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Unless they change the rules...
Yes.
If he did that… the rules would absolutely change.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Would it also cost him big in fines, for acting in bad faith?
I would assume it might make it difficult for him to make trades and such with the teams who were legitimately pursuing Darvish as well.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I would've sworn they already made this chang for 2012...
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by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
Back to Japan!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
so the results of the posting (assuming it happens) will probably be known by late Nov?
I wouldn’t expect any movement among the top FA until after those results are known, huh?
"Because you’re the stupid, stupid, so quit fucking being stupid"--- courtesy of ab03, the great connoisseur of stupid.
The results will be known usually the day or so after the four days is up.
And it all depends on when he posts. He is eligible to post right now if he wanted to (rather the team posts him upon his request)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Wow. It's been a while since I've read a dozen posts and immediately skipped to the bottom.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I guess we should have talked more about the plight of Zambia than baseball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You probably know more about the former than the latter.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, we are a day and half away from the official opening of FA season
who will be the first FA signed?
So, I think I've decided I want Sizemore and one of CJ/Darvish
preferably Darvish. I don’t want to do a lot more this offseason, besides extend guys like Napoli and Elvis. I think the Young/Moreland 1B combo is what we need to see next year, so I don’t want Prince or Albert. They would hamper us too much down the road.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
This is a buyer's market for the superstar players (so it seems)
Why would you waste resources a 1-yr, probably going to fail-player?
He's looking for a reclamation project
Like Webb here, Beltre in Boston, etc. etc. etc. It can either pan out well, or not. He plays CF, bats well when healthy, and shouldn’t cost an extreme amount.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
There's no sign he'll be healthy
I’d rather just keep Murphy for $3.5M than Sizemore for that same amount.
What if you could get Sizemore for less, on an incentive-laden contract?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If we can get Sizemore for 1 yr, and $1M, then that's a good deal
I see no way he signs for that little.
There will be a bad team willing to give him more to have a chance to trade him for value mid-season.
What about 1/$3 million,
with incentives to move it up to $6.5 total? The reality is, Texas is probably the perfect place for him to regain (artificially or not) some of his value. He can have days off (we do have a deep outfield), hit in a hitters park, hit in a monster lineup, the list goes on and on. Unless his medicals are horrible, and they very well may be, I don’t see a reason not to give it a shot.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
If Sizemore comes out of the gate hitting .200
and not providing much defense, the Rangers will not offer him playing time.
Conversely, the same deal with Baltimore/Oakland/KC would likely be available, and he can receive assurance that he will get his playing time no matter what.
That isn't the problem though
It is the team that has to worry about him not playing, not Sizemore worrying about playing time.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
I think the first part is why Rangers won't sign him
and 2nd is why Sizemore wouldn’t be interested in the Rangers
Did you get to look at Sizemore's medical info?
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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't remember who,
but someone asked me yesterday why the Rangers would pay for Darvish, but not Wilson. My take:
There were some folks who thought the Rangers overpaid for Martin.
They could be right.
If the Rangers land Darvish, there will no doubt be some folks who think they overpaid for him. They could be right. They will inevitably ask the same question you’re asking.
I’m not trying to defend the Rangers, especially in advance. And I’m not going to pretend to know with any certainty how Darvish’s stuff is going to translate to MLB.
But: based on what I’ve seen, I think it’s very possible that one or more MLB teams will look at what Darvish brings to the table and decide that the potential upside over the next five years is worth more than what C.J. Wilson will bring over that same period.
I obviously don’t know if the Rangers will be such a team, but I think it’s possible they could be.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Not to mention he's younger than CJ.....
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Darvish vs CJ
Darvish would also have to be seen as the greater risk, right?
Does the DiceK outcome affect how teams are looking at Darvish?
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I have to think that it would affect Boston to an extent....
Not sure about other teams who would be interested…
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No
DiceK was older with many more innings on his arm. Darvish is only, what, 25?
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26.
But Darvish is widely considered to have the higher ceiling.
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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 1, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Hard to say; the risks are slightly different
Darvish’s risk comes mostly from whether his stuff would translate over to MLB. If it does, his age makes it likely that you won’t get a drop off in performance toward the end of the contract.
CJ’s risk is basically that of signing a 30 year old FA pitcher, plus whatever lingering doubt there still is over his sometimes erratic command
From my perspective...
They are almost equal in risk.
With CJ you have a strong baseline of what he can do in the Major League and specifically pitching in RBiA. But… he’ll be 31 next year and all pitchers are inherently risky.
Darvish is younger… has great stuff and has scouts drooling… but he will have to adapt to come here. There are no guarantees that he doesn’t have struggles pitching to ML hitters. It’s like making the jump from AAA to the majors (sort of).
I think some teams have probably learned some things based on what happened with Daisuke… but I doubt the smart ones are letting that color them on international talent from Japan.
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I would say yes and not much.
The greater risk will have to be balanced out against the greater ceiling. The Rangers also have to think about whether Darvish can immediately step in and provide contending-level pitching.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Any idea how much money Darvish is making right now including endorsements and such?
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 1, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
None.
I’d guess a lot. I’d also guess that amount would only go up if he played for an MLB team.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I'm sure DiceK affects how teams look at Darvish
Just like how the playoffs affect how teams look at CJ.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Which is to say...
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Way too much considering all of the other information available.
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Given the fishbowl he's lived in over there, I'd expect him to be tough mentally,
but yeah, it’d be a risk.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I think people are also forgetting that Darvish is 25 years old.
That’s the same age as Derek Holland. He hasn’t entered his prime yet, and there are people saying he could be a TORP immediately. His work ethic is lauded and he’ll likely get better as the contract goes on, not worse.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Exactly...
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If JW was the new contributor
He’d ban Mtachst!ck for making too much sense.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 11:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The only person I would ban is somebody who would wish cancer on others or harm to anybody in their family.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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What about people who post racist things?
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Context is needed.
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For people who post racist things?
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I hope all asians get cancer
Is that ban-worthy?
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OUT OF CONTEXT
/Tobias Funke
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It was a joke...
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if everyone saw this on twitter or not, but I thought this was pretty cool:
by erudy on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Josh Hmailton came to the rescue
The bullpen sure didn’t.
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 11:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Josh is a fertile dude.
Are all 4 girls or is the baby a boy?
I will readily admit that I am not man enough to have four daughters and am quite relieved that I have two boys.
That said, Josh’s girls are all adorable.
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All girls, I believe.
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The oldest is from a previous marriage on her end.
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by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
All girls
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How the hell do you find a Buzz Lightyear costume that fits Josh Hamilton?
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Heh
IDK..,
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they are available
My stepdad got one for my nephews bday party this summer. Stepdad is probably close to Joshs height and similar build (basically not a fat ass or a toothpick)
he's just livin the dream
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I would love to keep Naps & Ian around.
Is that possible, or would that tie up too much cash?
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that's a must as far as I'm concerned
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It wouldn't affect next years budget by much if thats what you mean
Depending on how long they locked each up for it shouldn’t hamper things too much
awhile back I made a post about extending Cruz and trading Hamilton
due mainly to the fact that Cruz would be cheaper given his age and production and also given Hamilton’s injury risk (albeit Cruz has injury risk as well).
I remember several people disagreeing with me.
Are people now coming around to this line of thought? Is there more to it?
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I wouldn't trade Hamilton until we get an able replacement for him
Keep pushing for that WS win.
If we trade for Justin Upton, then we can trade Hamilton.
Extending Cruz is a big risk.
Not sure what they could get for Hamilton.
I think there’s likely to be a lot of outfield turnover over the next couple years.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Yeah,
but you can always say that. How often is a team filled with guys who have 4 or more years of team control left?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Well, this team's outfield turnover was unlikely to be high three years ago. ;)
I suppose I just got used to it…
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
We're not going to trade Josh unless we are 15 games out
I would rather extend Kinsler and Napoli. They are both 2 years younger.
Tear up Kinsler’s last 2 years for a 4 yr deal. Ages 29-32. Make Napoli a 3 yr. offer.
We have Cruz for 2 more arbs, I’d wait on that.
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would Napoli sign a 3 year offer at age 30 when VMart got a four year offer at age 32?
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Because he's not a FA, and he doesn't have the same track record as Martinez.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
But if Naps signed a 3-year-deal at 30 when VMart got a 4 year at 32
that would make JD look really smart AND Reagins look even more idiotic AND make the VMart signing that Josey was pushing for last year less susceptible to revisionist history.
No, Dammit, no!
How is Darvish on the GB/FB side of things?
I’ve found places that have his Nippon stats, but none that break it out in that depth.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Based on what I've seen on video, and from his stats and pitch repertoire, more on the GB side.
He added a cutter recently, I believe, and along with his slider, it’s been effective in the JPL. But until he faces MLB batters, it’s hard to say, right?
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
For sure.
That shuuto pitch is just filthy, but it seems like one that if you hung it, would be right in a power hitter’s wheelhouse. It’ll be interesting to see how his electric stuff (my GOD those videos are SEXY!) translates to MLB.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
He barely throws the shuuto.
His slider is dead fucking sexy.
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I think I need to work on reading those pitch charts better.
I thought the shuuto was one of his main pitches.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I remember reading an article saying that he mixed it in, but doesn't throw it more than 10% of the time.
More FB, CU, SL, CB, CH.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
By my count, the FanGraphs chart, which is supposed to be a typical start,
shows about 22 shuuto thrown in about 145 pitches, which is about 15 percent. That seems more than barely to me, but we might just have different definitions. (I think even 10 percent is more than barely, especially when you have the number of pitches Darvish has, and when you’re talking about a pitch that depends on batter handedness.)
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I was thinking 10-15%, and I had even typed that out.
You’re right that my usage of “barely” was incorrect. That’s about as many sliders as Feliz throws so far, for example.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah -- and Feliz doesn't have the repertoire Darvish does (yet).
I mean, based on that chart, the four-seamer and slider are his bread-and-butter pitches, the cutter and shuuto keep guys off balance, and the change and curve are show-me pitches. That squares with the little I’ve seen of him on video.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
The fact that his FB sits at 94 and touches 97,
with sick movement, just absolutely has me drooling.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
That .gif posted yesterday was a curve.
I think it’s a “show-me” pitch only in that he doesn’t throw it as often. With that kind of break, it can be a good pitch. Granted, I’ve seen only a few and I am no scout.
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In addition to what's already been written
Here’s a Pitch FX writeup from BtB, 2009.
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#redsox haven’t yet asked for permission on mike maddux, but he’s seen as likely candidate
Oh shit
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"You want false modesty? F that."
How should we feel about this?
During the regular season, our starters outperformed what I expected of them, but in the playoffs, I never got the sense that Maddox was much of a check to Wash’s “gutting.”
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Come on
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by Brian Thomas on Nov 1, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
if this happens
i will go and burn down fenway myself
:(
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i would pear things
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mitch moreland, 1b, and the bench
one of the main weaknesses that the WS exposed were the rangers real lack of pinch hitting options on the bench. i’d like to see the rangers try and get some ML ready triple A bats cheaply this offseason that are blocked by whatever team they are coming up with. for example, the royals have a guy clint robinson that’s 1. mashing AAA, 2. is blocked by hosmer, and 3. has never been given a chance at the ML level. saint louis also has a guy almost exactly like this that’s blocked by freese in matt carpenter. i feel like going into ST with a few cheap potential options at 1b can only be a good thing. hopefully moreland goes back to his 2010/first half 2011 level after healing, and if one of those other guys works out and you didn’t give up a ton for them, they become good trade chips at the deadline to upgrade the pen or whatever else turns out to be a weakness, or good options coming off the bench to bat in key situations rather than scrubs like esteban german.
it seems to me that if the rangers are going to try and trade away guys like torrealba, murphy, o’day, and lowe because their production is obtainable internally for a lower price tag, these types of players that have never been given a shot are the thing to go after.
after all, with the situation the payroll is in, if you want to sign CJ/Yu as the rangers, then they have to keep something cheap at first, and just hoping that mitch was hurt and he’ll be fixed next year once he heals up might not be the best idea unless there’s another wild card that could hit as well.
@Closure, RE: Small Sample Size
So, if I’m reading the link you gave me correctly, judging Mitch on his post-break numbers would be a mistake due to SSS, but if he starts the first month or two of next year putting up similar numbers, then it would be a more meaningful problem.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Probably, but then you have to take his injury into account, if indeed he was injured.
Stuff like that can throw everything out of whack.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yeah, I thought of this right after I hit "post."
Probably not really fair to judge him until the end of next year.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I'm not comfortable saying he should be handed the job again next season.
Although platooning him with Napoli is the obvious result there with Yorvit sliding behind the plate against lefties.
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Do you give Naps 100+ starts at Catcher next year?
I’m afraid to catch him TOO much, simply because of his huge value as a hitter.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Unless you want to carry three catchers, I think you have to.
Give him off-days throughout the year or let him DH from time to time.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
What about a 90/70 split at catcher with Veet,
to go with 40 starts at 1B and 20-25 at DH? Would 10 or so true days off be enough, if he only caught 90 times?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Sounds good to me.
He’d probably get a few more offdays than that, but it doesn’t sound excessive.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
So maybe only 35 starts at 1B, then.
I just really really REALLY don’t want him to experience the typical “catcher breakdown.”
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Especially given the reports of wrist tendinitis.
That’s counterbalanced, though, by the fact that it looked as if the league adjusted to him, and he struggled to adjust back…
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
For those wanting more information about Darvish...
I recommend you read the following from Fangraphs:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/darvish-is-not-daisuke/
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My favorite quote from that article is only tangential to Darvish:
Here’s the list of qualified American starters who sat better than 94 mph this past season: Alexi Ogando, Justin Verlander, David Price, Michael Pineda, Edwin Jackson and Derek Holland.
It’s SO effing sexy that the Rangers have two of them!
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Is that better or worse than Seven of Nine?
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I realize it's not the same as the majors but....wow, those numbers.....
This year was his finest to date: 16-5, 1.48 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 240 K, 32 BB, 5 HR in 207 IP (stats as of Sept. 27).
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Are his numbers and Colby's Japan numbers worth comparing?
Colby’s numbers:
2008 – 15-8, 2.68 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 183 K, 27 BB, 12 HR in 178 IP (9.25 K/9)
2009 – 11-9, 2.96 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 186 K, 19 BB, 13 HR in 176.1 IP (9.49 K/9)
x
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, though...those HR numbers for Colby....
I sure hope this season was an anomaly….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
what a beating that was.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 1, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
His injury, I think.
If he can come back next year and be 2010 Colby, we’ll be gtfg.
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Yeah...I was a little shocked when they announced he had been dealing
with an injury…hopefully, that was the issue.
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
That would be awesome.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
i would think an optimistic person might see something better than that out of dutch, if he can get his shit consistent
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 1, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Even I, who loves Dutch more than most, don't see him as a true #1.
More like a strong #2.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
It's not too hard to see him having a season or two of #1 stuff,
but I don’t think he’ll ever be an Ace you can count on, no.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Do you attribute that entirely to "make up" as the scouts would say?
Because to my untrained eye, Dutch has f—-ing electric stuff, just as much so as any of the ones that people classify as “true aces.”
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
yum yum yum
Beware of Mike Es: Mike E, Mike E, Mike E, Mike E, Mike E
by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 1, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
We were discussing this above.
I am, which is why I’d like to see him catch maybe 90 games, play 1B for 35-40, and DH another 20 or so.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I should never have entered a facebook argument about C.J. Wilson's worth
Obviously, we should just let him go because he sucked in the postseason.
-- Micah
"When it comes to my dong I’m a selfish prick." - MikeEl
I'm not on FB but from what you guys say about it, I don't know how you
don’t just punch your screens….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 1, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I can look beyond C.J.'s lackluster postseason performance
And decide I want to keep him … not throw money at him, but definitely keep him.
I have learned that others cannot forgive him for his 0-3 postseason record (particularly his bases loaded HBP in Game 7).
-- Micah
"When it comes to my dong I’m a selfish prick." - MikeEl
by The Best Micah on Nov 1, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we also only talk about the really stupid stuff
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
I would rather punch myself in the nuts repeatedly than talk baseball with any of my FB friends.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
/my father in law
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I haven't seen this posted before, but apologies if it has.
It’s NPBtracker.com’s game chart from Darvish’s last start.
http://npbtracker.com/data/velocity.php?team_id=3&pitcher_id=242&date=2011102901&action=Get+Chart
My first response: HE THROWS A FORKBALL?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
My second response: HE THROWS A FORKBALL?
Beware of Mike Es: Mike E, Mike E, Mike E, Mike E, Mike E
by Mr. Abe Froman on Nov 1, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Bacsik, so make your own credibility determinations.
MikeBacsik Mike Bacsik
33%, I see Cubs, Tx, Fla @onthat2002: @MikeBacsik What percent chance would you give the Rangers of signing Prince Fielder?
He also says he thinks the Cubs and the Nationals will make big offers to CJ.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Man, I just can't see Epstein leading the Cubs in that direction
Surely he knows better than to think they are CJ and Prince away from competing?
Aramis Ramirez is their best position player, and he’s probably leaving, making it even worse.
Best case scenario, you can improve 12 wins with a Prince/CJ combo, and they pay to keep Aramis.
That’s still an 83-win team. (And that’s assuming that they aren’t actually worse than that, since they had a -109 differential last season —> 69-win team according to pythag).
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JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Cashman wouldn’t name names but it is evident that they will get involved and pursue both Buehrle and Wilson in a deliberate fashion
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Haha, classic Cashman
I bet he actually said the words, “I’m going to pursue CJ and Buehrle in a deliberate fashion.”
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