Adrian Beltre, 2011 A.L. Gold Glove Winner at Third Base
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 10:22 PM CDT
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PrintAdrian Beltre has won the 2011 Gold Glove as the best defensive third baseman in the American League.
Beltre was named a finalist, along with Tampa's Evan Longoria and Boston's Kevin Youkilis. The stats suggested that Beltre and Longoria were the best choices, and while I think Longoria would have been a defensible choice, Beltre is the guy I thought should win.
Watching Beltre play third base has been a revelation this year. Beltre does a better job making plays on balls he has to charge than just about any other player I've ever seen play the position.
The other Ranger player who was a finalist for a Gold Glove was Ian Kinsler, who was in the mix with Dustin Pedroia and Robinson Cano. Pedroia won.
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Good for him
Not surprised at all that Kinsler didn’t win.
lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT
In his Gold Glove preview
Rob Neyer had a poll asking who the worst-fielding finalist was in the AL, and Kinsler was one of the choices, along with Pierzynski, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Francoeur. It’s sort of mind-bottling that he’d lump Kinsler in with that group. Ian’s not even the worst-fielding finalist at his position.
Though he also seems to think Ichiro got screwed out of a nomination because he had a terrible year at the plate. Except for the fact that, you know, he was terrible in the outfield too.
Cano is not a very good defensive 2B
He should be in there
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 2, 2011 7:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Swoon.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Good for him...
he’s a certified baddass at 3B.
Wish Kinsler could have won as well though. He’s so good and covers so much ground, but Pedroia’s pretty good too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
oh yeah, I guess I just recorded the ESPN Gold Glove special
an Empress Carlotta necklace full of gems, I’m sure
Sort of on topic:
I don’t get this.
@cjlawler: @lonestarball Do you foresee a 2013 competition between Moreland and Olt for 1B
lonestarball Adam J. Morris
No. Olt’s main value is with his glove at 3B RT
cjlawler cjlawler
My impression was that @NewbergReport thought Olt would switch to 1B next year since he’s blocked by Beltre.
@lonestarball Adam J. Morris
I don’t see that he has nearly as much value as a 1B. Seems like he’d be dealt before he’d be moved to 1B.
NewbergReport Jamey Newberg:
Different type player, but cf. Teixeira/Kinsler.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I think he's making a parallel to both Tex and Kinsler switching positions in the minors because they were blocked.
And the Rangers willingness to make someone do it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I understand that.
But if I remember correctly, by the time both players made that switch, they were known more for their bats than their defense at their original position, right? And, in fact, when they were drafted, it was more for their bats than their gloves? Which meant that the moves not only “unblocked” them, but also preserved them as valuable trade pieces?
I realize Jamey said, “different type player,” but I think the question remains whether asking Olt to move makes any sense, given that (based on Parks’ report) his hit tool is only a supplement to his hands, arm, range, and power. It doesn’t seem to, either for the Rangers or for a potential trade partner.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
(And, in fact, I feel as if Kinsler was moved not because he was blocked,
but because the Rangers thought he’d be better at second. Didn’t Soriano play second at the time Kinsler was moved there?)
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
weren't there concerns about Kins' range at SS?
and Teix wasn’t really blocked — it was more a way to get Blalock and he in the lineup together. And I think (though I could way off here – long time ago) that Teix had better 1B defense, so he got moved.
Either way… I don’t get the comp either.
by elvis1isking on Nov 1, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember constantly increasing consensus that Kinsler was not an answer at SS, yes.
And I don’t remember plaudits for Teixeira’s defense at third.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I'm going to have to look this up.
Because I think I do.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
If you find it, let me know.
I did a quick Google, and all I could find was praise for his skills at the plate.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
BA said in the minors
He had average range and throwing problems
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
WRONG AGAIN FOR ME.
Neither the first nor the last time.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Teixeira was I think generally seen as someone who would eventually move to 1b
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't remember that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
What I mainly remember is how much everyone loved his bat.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
was that because of defense
or the whole “protect his bat by putting him in a less demanding position.”
I remember hearing his defense was average or above, but that was “sources within the organization”
Also, all my memories are of reports from Norm and Galloway, so there’s that.
by elvis1isking on Nov 1, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
no. I meant
to make sure his bat was in the lineup by moving him to a less demanding position.
by elvis1isking on Nov 1, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I reember people being concerned about his arm strength
Seems like its regarded as above average for a 2b now though and would manageable at ss.
in like the 17th round right?
if we could get Ian Kinslers out of all of the 17th round picks we would be golden
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
If you could get Kinslers out of all first round picks, you'd probably be golden.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
I'd take him top 5
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Nov 2, 2011 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Kinsler was drafted as a toolsy guy who might make good.
By 2004 there were already discussions of a move to second, and his bat was backing up his ability to stick there.
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
I mean, Kinsler hit .401/.465/.687 at Clinton in 2004,
got jumped straight to Frisco, hit .300/.400/.480 there, and followed that up with a .306/.369/.500 line in the AFL.
If Olt breaks out like that, then sure, we can talk about his value as a first-base prospect, right?
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
Or LF.
/trollface
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
IMO the only advantage a RH first baseman has is diving for a ball down the line
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
OK, so I still don't get it.
The consensus seems to me to be that (1) Teixeira was a guy renowned for being the best hitting prospect in the game upon his draft, but someone who could be expected to mvoe to first; and (2) Kinsler was a guy who was underrated but mainly viewed as a glove guy until he broke out with the bat in his first full minor-league season while also drawing questions about his ability to stick at short.
It doesn’t look like either moved because they were “blocked” at the big-league level, or that, when they were moved, there were concerns about whether there bat could play at the new position; in fact, the questions seemed more to be about whether their glove could play at their old ones.
So: how does either apply to Olt?
Dark Luck Dragon of the Sith
it doesn't
it’s an odd (if not an altogether bad) comp
by elvis1isking on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ask Tampa Bay
and the rest of the American league
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
My reaction, copy/pasta from last thread
They actually did pretty good on the GG’s this year.
AL SS is still a problem and Markakis wins this year’s Nate McClouth award, but outside of them and Kemp, you can’t really argue with any of the selections.
It’s almost like the GG’s have some credibility all of a sudden.
Aaaaand now they no longer will.
by dolphinpuncher on Nov 1, 2011 10:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everytime Jeter wins a GG
A baby dies
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Nov 2, 2011 7:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well the Dodger outfielders are pretty awful choices
Especially Kemp – if you can’t find a better centerfielder than him out there, you’re just not trying.
He had the best offensive numbers
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They do wear point shoes.
Pointe, but whatever.
by dolphinpuncher on Nov 1, 2011 10:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
spelling is not a strongsuit of mine
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
everyone's gotta lack in some area
Except Beltre of course
by dolphinpuncher on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OBP...
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by Gay For Feliz on Nov 2, 2011 7:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Congrats to Adrian. Surely this doesn't lessen the bitterness
But good to see great players get their due recognition.
by dolphinpuncher on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Well-deserved
As automatic as it gets out there.
by Robert L. Bishop on Nov 1, 2011 10:46 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Small band-aid
it sucks we only have him locked up for 5 more years…
Salma Hayek is absolutely hideous
by AndrusImpersonator on Nov 1, 2011 11:05 PM CDT reply actions
not after we re-sign him
/Ninja
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Google translate tells me that Yu Darvish and Yoshi are talking about wine on twitter right now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
Yoshi posted a picture of him with a bottle of wine
It kinda went from there I guess.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011, in response to me saying I would rather face the Thunder than the Grizzlies in the WCF.
one important reason the $1mil option
was picked up
:)
by elvis1isking on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
GET HIM YOSHI
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
all kindsa cute *nationalism* (like intra-Asian^) rears its head
during the fuckin’ World Baseball Classic. March 17, 2009, Petco Park, San Diego, Schoolly’s KOREA got to JAPAN’s Darvish for three in the first inning, on the way to a 4-1 victory.
I heart Yoshi and Koji, and if we acquire Darvish in a sane deal, I’m for whatever’s best for the Rangers. I’m just sayin’, on the international diamond there’s some beef, and baseball becomes a little like soccer, and the shit reaches a different level of real and fun.
^ Japan used to like to colonize Korea, including during my Dad’s lifetime
Well, if memory serves
My WWII history professor in college mentioned that most all other Asians hate the Japanese – a real, reflexive and bitter sort of hatred due to all the not-so-nice things they did 70 years ago when they invaded Korea, China, and the Philippines. I (and by I, I mean he) could be wrong, but I always thought that was kinda interesting.
I imagine it was no small pleasure for the Koreans to whup up on the Japanese in the WBC. Are they doing it again next year? I hope not. Tired of it screwing up spring training.
Until late Summer 1945
Japan didn’t play nice with their neighbors. But like most anywhere, Asia’s got ethnic grudges that go back centuries.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
Did Aybar
get some kind of bonus for his bee swatting/tantrum skills?
by Axe Em Rangers on Nov 2, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It was a privilege getting to watch Belts play 3B everyday
One of the real treats of this year.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Nov 2, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
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